Thanks for the review Dustin. The other issue these solve over point source speakers is the phase cancellation problem you have when trying to run multiple speakers per side.
2:49 I do a show series with a stage similar in size to this, but I have my two CDLs per side on a heavy duty speaker stand to get them up in the air to cover a bit more distance. Having them up on top of subs without angling them down will lose a lot of sound to the birds in the sky. As they are when on stands, they don’t angle down far enough. This is when the fly bars are a needed accessory. I plan to get another pair for three per side and I will definitely need to get them on the fly bars at that point. They cover an outdoor area the size of a parking lot. About 200’ from left to right and 100’ out into the audience before they start to fall off. Then, I have a second set of speakers out at 100’ to act as delay stacks to reach the next 100’. It’s covered 2500 people. While not at concert level throughout, the back is like a juke box and the people back there are loving that level. The delay stacks are the Presonus ULT15s and subs. They really throw.
Those are great ideas! Raising the speakers higher is always beneficial. Since making this video, I've tried stacking two QSC subs with two speakers on top, using a slightly taller pole to utilize the angle port on the CDL, and it worked well. I'm a big fan of placing subs in the center (even thought people use them for drinks), so I'll definitely try using the tripods next! Thanks for the suggestions!
If I was only getting one per side, I'd buy the k12 or the 152. But it depends on what you are running into them. The Presonus sounds really clear and has great separation, but it just doesn't have the same power as the QSC. The Presonus is nice because it has a very wide throw, but if you need raw power ever, you'll find it lacking.
I've used the older EV E series speakers, and they sounded excellent. Most people around here opt for the budget-friendly ZLX series, but I might try to find some of the E series instead.
@@DustinRadtke I find it interesting that here in Europe a lot of people tend to the RCF over the EV. I chose the EV ETX and find them excellent in terms of sound and sound pressure. The ZLX sound quite similar to the ETX (this is a phenomenon I find interesting with EV. Their speakers sound all quite similar, have all the „EV sound“ no matter what series you purchase) there is only a huge difference in power, sound pressure level and behavior at very high power levels. So there is even a decisive difference in the E-series between the EKX, the ELX and the premium ETX. In general I am blown away about what has changed in the last 20 years in terms of speaker design - also with point sources - what is obviously a result of the available DSP technology as well as modern speaker design.
They're not really an upgrade for you; they're just different. Your QSC speakers have significantly more power, so the choice depends on your needs. Personally, I prefer the sound and look of four of these compared to two QSCs. However, if I had the QSC 152s instead of the 153s, I wouldn't have switched to the CDLs.
It's apples to oranges ;) CDL12p gives you wide and far dispersion/coverage. I have 2 pairs of those for wide and long rooms or outdoor events. If I don't need to throw far and wide I'm using standard 10' - 12' - 15' inch point source. SPL wise I'll say K12 has a couple dB more.
I used to use two point source per side (Presonus ULT15) and found that the two CDL12Ps I’m using now are much clearer due to point source speakers causing phase problems. They’re not meant to be used two together like that. No matter the brand, btw.
Thanks for the review Dustin. The other issue these solve over point source speakers is the phase cancellation problem you have when trying to run multiple speakers per side.
I just saw someone talking about this issue! I need to read up more on it.
Great video! I did a couple videos on these also, you are spot on with the pros and cons! Thanks
Thanks! They are nice sounding speakers that do have some odd flaws.
I'll check out your video. :)
2:49 I do a show series with a stage similar in size to this, but I have my two CDLs per side on a heavy duty speaker stand to get them up in the air to cover a bit more distance.
Having them up on top of subs without angling them down will lose a lot of sound to the birds in the sky. As they are when on stands, they don’t angle down far enough. This is when the fly bars are a needed accessory. I plan to get another pair for three per side and I will definitely need to get them on the fly bars at that point. They cover an outdoor area the size of a parking lot. About 200’ from left to right and 100’ out into the audience before they start to fall off. Then, I have a second set of speakers out at 100’ to act as delay stacks to reach the next 100’. It’s covered 2500 people. While not at concert level throughout, the back is like a juke box and the people back there are loving that level. The delay stacks are the Presonus ULT15s and subs. They really throw.
Those are great ideas! Raising the speakers higher is always beneficial. Since making this video, I've tried stacking two QSC subs with two speakers on top, using a slightly taller pole to utilize the angle port on the CDL, and it worked well.
I'm a big fan of placing subs in the center (even thought people use them for drinks), so I'll definitely try using the tripods next! Thanks for the suggestions!
I would definitely recommend the hdl-10 or hdl-6 at this price point for pro sound/ lIve music. you can get the 6’s for $1350 from pro audio star
Interesting you said that, I just did a video on my first impressions of the HDL-10 and the 8008 subs. They are really great!
great video, how does one of them sound vs one qsc k12 vs qsc 152? i'm a new subscriber. thank you.
If I was only getting one per side, I'd buy the k12 or the 152. But it depends on what you are running into them.
The Presonus sounds really clear and has great separation, but it just doesn't have the same power as the QSC. The Presonus is nice because it has a very wide throw, but if you need raw power ever, you'll find it lacking.
I would love to see a video about your thoughts concerning the EV ETX series
I've used the older EV E series speakers, and they sounded excellent. Most people around here opt for the budget-friendly ZLX series, but I might try to find some of the E series instead.
@@DustinRadtke I find it interesting that here in Europe a lot of people tend to the RCF over the EV. I chose the EV ETX and find them excellent in terms of sound and sound pressure. The ZLX sound quite similar to the ETX (this is a phenomenon I find interesting with EV. Their speakers sound all quite similar, have all the „EV sound“ no matter what series you purchase) there is only a huge difference in power, sound pressure level and behavior at very high power levels.
So there is even a decisive difference in the E-series between the EKX, the ELX and the premium ETX.
In general I am blown away about what has changed in the last 20 years in terms of speaker design - also with point sources - what is obviously a result of the available DSP technology as well as modern speaker design.
right now im using kws 152 and 122, will these CL12p consider an upgrade or just stick to QSC?
They're not really an upgrade for you; they're just different. Your QSC speakers have significantly more power, so the choice depends on your needs. Personally, I prefer the sound and look of four of these compared to two QSCs. However, if I had the QSC 152s instead of the 153s, I wouldn't have switched to the CDLs.
It's apples to oranges ;)
CDL12p gives you wide and far dispersion/coverage. I have 2 pairs of those for wide and long rooms or outdoor events. If I don't need to throw far and wide I'm using standard 10' - 12' - 15' inch point source.
SPL wise I'll say K12 has a couple dB more.
I used to use two point source per side (Presonus ULT15) and found that the two CDL12Ps I’m using now are much clearer due to point source speakers causing phase problems. They’re not meant to be used two together like that. No matter the brand, btw.
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