Political correctness
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Political correctness may be one of the worst things about modern society, and in this video I theorise that it may be little more than a smokescreen for wrong ideas. Viewers are welcome to write in with possible exceptions to the general rule that I describe.
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Disregard Lloyd's opinion on this wheel debate. This man is clearly a roundist.
Big Circle got to him.
You hit the nail on the head with this video. Once again, years ahead of its time.
Years ahead? The term "politically correct" has been around since the 90s and has always been used in a negative manner. Just because you're riding the present Anti-SJW wave doesn't mean what's he saying here was somehow foreboding.
well... ahead of it´s internet Climax?
@Paul Olsen Yea, Geroge Orwell writes about it. 1984 is filled with the tactics being used against us now. Lots of his essays are treating the subject too.
@Thane Mac2 in the late 1900s? So... The 90s when they didn't exist or slightly before then when they'd been repealing their suppressive methods?
@Thane Mac2 ah I see I thought you meant late 1900s the century. Interesting, I'd like to see your source for this?
Triangles and squares want to be wheels too. Wheel positions shouldn't just be the privileged right of circles... Who do these circles thinks they are! We demand equality...... The circles are shape intolerant... Shapists! Triangles and squares demand equal representation. Lets bring in affirmative action and ensure that all shapes get equal representation as wheels.. here here...All shapes are equal...all can do the task equally well...we are for equality... so lets pass a law that you cannot differentiate or discriminate between an objects shape
***** I'm not really sure what to make of your comment
***** Well, for you information mr. Heat5eek3R, I've already gorged down two glasses filled with red pills. Now I am just waiting for the result, though I am not feeling very well.
+Heat5eek3R You round-privileged hoop-lord. Shape is a social construct.
You sound like a woman in FlatLand! (by Edwin Abbot)
M.Donald Trump is the Presidente of the US.
"Patient" suggests to me someone who is ill and seeking medical aid, which, in the cases of people who are ill and seeking medical aid, strikes me as appropriate. Only an educated intellectual would know about the family model you mention. I think someone of good character who knows he is ill can probably stand being described as ill, and knows that this does not make him a child.
Boy did you call it. Hurts.
@@kevinhanson6965 this man sees years into the future listen to what he says
Is it me or are you being vague here? Provided English is my 2nd language. I feel like it's context that I'm missing not language
Political correctness is the equivalent of a dog chasing its own tail. Around and around it goes never actually achieving anything, and if you catch what youre chasing you realise it was a pointless effort.
For example:
Is it politically correct to call a woman an actor or an actress? To use the masculine term "actor" could be insulting to her femininity, however to call her an "actress" could be seen as saying she is not equal to an actor. Whichever way you go you must be offending somebody.
Another example that I love is this:
Here in the UK there was a report that there were "not enough black police officers" and it was reported in the news that this was a terrible thing and that black people were being trodden down and refused the possibility of being in the police.
But nobody mentioned the fact that people CHOOSE to join the police, they arent conscripted. First and foemost if not a lot of black police officers exist then odds are not a lot of black people are applying for the job. (note that nobody ever mentioned the numbers of people applying and being successful/rejected). So how is it a social injustice if black people are choosing not to be police officers? If they were being rejected because of their skin colour then yes that would be a terrible thing but thats not what was reported.
Also, why do there need to be black police officers? Or white police officers? Skin colour doesnt determine ability, I dont care who the police officer is as long as they can and do, do the job competently. We shouldnt care about who is doing what jobs as long as they can actually do them. I want the best people for the job doing it, not the most ethnically diverse group.
But why is the term "actor" masculine? I mean, I get that there needs to be a gender distinction, since there are roles for men and women, but then that raises the question of why the standard term is applied to one sex but not the other. Can't male actors be referred to as "actrem" or something similar? I mean, just because being male is normal to us, doesn't mean it's normal to women.
ARC the Clarinet Master "Actor" is the default term and the term for a male performer because there was a time when only men were allowed to act, this includes during Shakespeares life, so for all of the original performances of Shakespeares plays, the female roles were played by men, so all actors were men
IIRC the "-or" and "-er" suffices are (or at least were) explicitly masculine in English. There were no "default" or "genderless" terms; there were the masculine terms and the equivalent feminine terms. PC nonsense comes in when someone makes the assumption that the masculine term is some mythical genderless default, and then takes the (il)logical leap from "using gender-marked nouns correctly" to "devaluing women by using a special word just for them"."Actress" is an oddity because the feminine of "-or" is normally "-rix"*; it implies that the masculine is "actER".(* - director, directrix; directors, directrices)
+Mad Elf x But if the term "actor" is masculine, then shouldn't that mean the term "actress" signifies a man with boobs, since it's a masculine term with a feminine add-on?
And keep in mind that English no longer uses grammatical gender, so these gender rules no longer apply, at least not in the way you're insinuating.
Also, if PC is trying to get rid of these gendered suffixes, then why aren't they trying to get rid of gender-flipped reboots, like that new _Ghostbusters_ movie that came out? Isn't that film (and others like it) basically the cinematic equivalent of the "-ess" suffix, since they're both taking something masculine and making it feminine, implying that women are merely a subset of men? So, if removing these suffixes is considered "PC", then shouldn't they be demanding there be more *original* films with female leads, to put women on the same level as men? Just, where's the consistency?
And once again, just because maleness is normal to us, doesn't mean it's normal to women. And yes, I *know* why masculinity is prioritised in languages - I've studied linguistics myself - but once again, *English* phased out the gender system (aside from... those words that SJWs blew *way* out of proportion).
No! That's exactly the mistake that the PC types are making: "feminine = diminutive = demeaning".
The term "actor" is masculine. To get the feminine, you have to take the "-or" suffix *off* to get the "act-" root, *then* add the "-ress" (or "-rix"). It's not "man with boobs" so much as "person with all male parts removed and replaced with female parts", ie. "woman".
As for things like the reboot-that-shall-not-be-named... The original script idea, that of a passing-the-torch sequel where the new crew were mostly or all female, was rejected. Instead, they went out of their way to *erase* the existence of the previous version, eg. by casting original actors in utterly different parts, then *replace* the male with the female. In other words, *remove* the "-or" and *replace* it with the "-ess". So it *was* the equivalent of the "-ess" suffix, but *not* in the way you were thinking. (You'll note that they didn't go so far as to title it "Ghostbustresses"...)
However, there's a vast difference between PC-style language policing and a Hollywood producer cynically trying to maximise his cashflow (hah!) by recycling an existing, well-known IP and combining it with "girl power" pandering (which comes with the unbeatable defence of "if you don't like my movie it's because you hate women"). Don't look for consistency when the two things are coming from two completely different sources!
I absolutely agree though. I'd far rather see new stories, or new characters added to existing ongoing tales, than suffer endless retreads with existing characters gender-, race-, or sexuality-swapped just to score diversity points.
(I wasn't implying or insinuating "grammatical gender" in the sense that French or German have it. However, person-describing words usually have masculine and feminine forms; the trend to drop the feminine one and make the masculine one genderless is an ongoing and far-from-complete process.)
Enforcing a name change never works. people don't like being made to change and resent this, and then carry across all the associations, plus that resentment. The Disney Corp. found that employees were calling it Mousechvitz, so they banned it. the same day the employees started calling it Duckau.
I came to this channel for HEMA content... Struck gold in the process. Love this guy.
I love his channel
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"And the trees are all kept equal,
by hatchet, axe, and saw."
I will raise you with “ ignorance & prejudice and fear walk hand in hand”
@@richardmathews6236 That’s probably my favorite Rush lyric ever. And that’s saying something.
This man saw this shit coming 7 goddamn years ago.
My mother saw this shit coming in the 90s....and thank fuck she warned me about it...
The phrase for at least three decades, the concept probably much longer, taking different forms in different cultures and eras. I think that when it got a phrase, the issue was becoming pretty intense already--at least in smaller but still influential pockets. I recall a bit of this in the 80s (I was pretty young and probably missed some, though). It's now intensified after at least two generations perpetuating the same ideas and taboos. I'm half-asleep, hopefully I am making some sense. In short, it's been around, we're just seeing more of it.
He also basically called Brexit years before it happened.
You might want to keep and ear on the man.
Ry P
Euroskepticism has been around since the 80s.
My mother has been a UKIP voter since the 1990s (she was brought up Conservative).
I saw Brexit coming myself when I could understand it, aged 8, back in 2002.
Could you link me to that video (if it was just in 1)
watching this 10 years in the future -- so relevant now.
For real man. It's so tragic.
Oh come on. He didn't even attempt to address an issue or question
@@Myreactionwhen_80085 political correctness is the problem
@@toastytoast9800 ok Sherlock but don't you know "political correctness" is very broad
@@Myreactionwhen_80085 he is tackling the big problem. The action of being politically correct is the problem. Also why the hell are you being do defensive?
"If something were actually correct, then you wouldn't need to make it "politically" correct, would you?"
BEST. QUOTE. EVER.
Political correctness is just an aspect the cult of the victim; which is where you can get your own way, if only you can convince people that you are being subject to another's power (which, of course, is unthinkingly considered inherently bad in a world obsessed with 'equality').
So whenever you are accused of being politically incorrect, it will be where someone is claiming to be 'oppressed' (ie: subject to another's power) and thus that this is wrongbadevil because equality is rightnicegood.
FurryAminal how true.
How is equality not rightnicegood?
So like Social Justice is called Social because it's not actual Justice.
Yeah exactly. Social Justice is not actually Justice.
Maybe social vengeance is a better term
Social Justice is as just as Mob Justice.
You are Absofuckinglutely right about that
@Solar the leftist i bet if you did a study you'd find that leftist are the kids that cry and tell the teacher when they're bullied and rightist are the kids who beat up the bully.
Orwell had it right.
Brave New World is way more accurate to the West
Here in America we believe that being politically incorrect is double-plus un-good!
I knew my Newspeak dictionary would come in handy one day. Lol
"This is literally 1794!!!!111!1!1!!"
Well, all of them really. Just one for a start: working class people fail to get to the top of the professions less often than middle class people only because they are held back by snobbery and not at all because they tend to be less talented in that direction. Surely the latter is a factor.
Both are true, many working class kids dont have the family support (often discouraged by family and peers) from excelling and thus do not always have the tallents needed for higher paid jobs. but for those working class kids who do work hard and are bright, they start from a disadvantage as many top institutions still work on boys club mentality. Who you know not what you know. I know a number of people even one freind from a middle class background who have been unable to break into their repective fields because of a lack of connections. My sister is a great example. She is in publishing, she did manage to get a temporary job in Oxford working for a publishing company, she became the goto person for for technical issues in the e-book division (not through a technical background but from her own merit and cognative skills), the job dried up when the branch was discontinued. She found many of the people who worked for the company wernt particulary intrested in the job, nor had talent for it, but simply landed jobs through societal postion via connections. Given no real path back into the industry without these connections, she has now set up her own independant company and sloweley but surley she is building a client base which has even included a local newspaper. Sorry if my grammer and spelling isnt the best, my talents lie in Engineering rather than language. Which is an interesting exception. Science and Engineering requires definate skils that are hard to blag. I think a lot of people could blag their way through the BBC management ladder, you can only be a Scientist or Engineer if you understand your dicipline. Although I should imagine there are still side routes into the managerial jobs of particular scientific institutions.Of course I'm pretty sure you know ll this anyway through your own life experiences.
Political correctness is to the benefit of those who call for it. If I were to call a random black person a negro I stand a stronge chance of having my face bashed in for being a racist. However, I heard several black people say that they prefer that term. Queer if used by a straight person in reference to a none straight person is considered homophobic when the word queer is front and center when talking about the LGBTQ community. Calling black people black and white people white is completely acceptable, however to refer to anyone else's skin tone with the use of commonly identifiable colors is racist. Calling someone oriental is considered racist because it is considered only appropriate for objects. An oriental rug is something that comes from the orient. But if you refer to the orient as a place people will correct you and tell you to call it asia. So oriental rugs are from the orient, but their is no orient. It is perfectly acceptable for someone to say, "you cant dance, you are too white." but you cannot say "you sound black." Feminists insist that women be treated equally because women can do anything a man can do. They also say that men and women are the same physically, siting body building women. They say that women are even better than men in many different instances because of the way they are born, while denying any differnce between the sexes. All the while they talk about how men should never hit women. Well if men should never hit women that would give women special treatment. And why shouldnt a man ever hit a woman? Because a man is stronger than a woman? Well that can't be true, because men and women are completely equal, except in the cases when women are better. The illogical quagmire you have to trudge through in order to be completely PC is basically to admit that no matter who you are you are a terrible person and should be sorry for something. A world that is completely PC would be a world in which we catered to everyones whim for fear of offending anyone. And in doing so you would be offending those who think being PC is complete bullshit. So basically society would be one giagantic paradox.
+Christian's Channel The whole PC, feminist and SocJus movement(s) can be described using the term, "doublethink" from George Orwell's '1984'
That's a very apt description.
+Christian's Channel That's more or less the plot of the latest South Park season.
+Christian's Channel I feel like you've got a glorious misconception of the way feminists, other ethnicities and lesbian, gay and transgender people actually are mate. You shouldn't have to feel like you're treading on eggshells but you don't have a right to degrade someone or abuse them either, the fact that what you say is offensive isn't the point. It's the thought processes and the internalised concepts that are behind what you are saying that is the issue, concepts like sexism, like racism that are so embedded in society that they affect us in a number of very subtle ways. But this notion that we have a right to do and say as we please, or that any attempt to counter these issues is somehow unjust and the manifestation of what it seeks to usurp is kind of absurd. I understand your point of view but other people matter and we should act with regard to them.
+Christian's Channel I just can't believe that PC was such an issue as early as 2009.
On a road that looked like this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ a triangle wheel might be quite functional.
+HNX Media Well they would get easily stuck in the road then wouldn't they. A round wheel would just go over the points of the road.
+Rick Spierenburg So that means that triangle wheels are useless, unless we use them as slaves of course. Enslave the triangle wheels! Fuck yea!
We have roads like that in Australia. Is the triangular wheel available yet?
Going in a straight line could work, turning not so much
Nah, round wheels will function way better.
Watching this in 2021... This video aged extremely well.
The words "nail" and "head" spring to mind.
I was unable to follow this, I was too baffled by the fact that you're wearing a white, pointed collared shirt, not a beige, round-collared shirt. It's just so out of character.
Well, this is about 9 years old (6 at the time of your comment), so there's that.
I don't think that there is great dignity in being treated as though one were unable to face reality and very thin skinned. Good friends express the strength of their friendship by insulting each other. Society can express its faith in the strength of its members' characters by calling a spade a spade.
You're a gammon.
11 years later... this vid is more relevant than ever...
Even 'special' now has that use in Britain.
I've got a question Nikolas, may you awnser it?
@@local38on-tv May I answer it? Do you mean may you ask it? If so, yes. Whether I'll be able to answer it is another matter.
@@lindybeige Well the question is, What do you do for a living?
@@lindybeige Oh and why do you wear your collars like that?
@@lindybeige And sorry if you took offence to me calling you your first name rather than Lindy or Beige
Labeling an idea or speech "politically incorrect" just means "I can't prove that you are wrong, but don't use this arument because someone may be emotionally upset about it".
If someone gets upset by an argument, they deserve to be made upset and have it shown how much of a pussy they are.
Politically correct usually is not about correcting an idea, but about correcting the way (i.e. crude, insulting, bigoted) of expressing it, usually because it includes slurs or ad homonym attacks.
Lindybeige was prescient.
No it hasnt, and PC "Truths" have been taking grip since early nineties,2009 was really when it started showing its horrible effects on society, and a breed of humans that have grown from birth with it.
Something is "politically correct" when it is in accordance with the political dictate of the day, whether those dictates be factually correct or not.
More often than not, that which is popularly accepted is usually so because it's easier to understand and evokes emotional resonance.
That which is easy to understand and emotional resonant most often does not accord with reality, which tends to be mundane and complex, difficult to understand.
Were it otherwise, our society's laws and customs would be based on the best critical thinking available.
Welcome to the monkey-instinct led world.
+Francis Roy I may have to steal this statement for use in my repertoire, you just summed it up perfectly, I hope you don't mind.
Go right ahead. That's what the public Internet is for.
I'd rather say political correctness means not using emotionally charged words. Anytime a neutral word is considered to express an unintended emotion, a new word is invented.
@@tobiasbehnke9651 Which is quite bizarre. It's proper to call "black people" "people of color" nowadays, because black can have a negative connotation, I guess. But you can't say "colored people". It's literally the same two words but reversed, and only one is ok.
Sadly even common courtesy is no way out of the debate if people wish to try to convince you that common courtesy roughly translates to "Do not offend minorities." The current fear of insulting people and the popularity of the misuse of the word "racism" are frankly nauseating. In the Western world, where we're told from our early education onwards that our own opinion and the expression of our own opinion is our paramount birthright by law and constitution, then why should we be pushed into the shamefully restrictive bracket of fear of offense?
Naturally, if you intentionally offend people, either they deserve it or you are an asshole, whichever applies.
+Jesse Julius Breuker
indeed, but it's a field say for comedians/satirists. :P
+Jesse Julius Breuker "Do not offend minorities." There are actualy laws within the education system that actively discriminate Asians (and whites ofc.), becasue compared to other ethnic groups they are doing too good.
So no, it's not even about minorities, otherwise Asians wouldn't be affected.
Cops are called white supremacists by these same pc people, but cops kill disproportionaly more whites than asians. So that's also false.
More of an ocean of logical fallacy quagmires.
The problem isn't idiots shouting you down if you aren't PC, it's when it has REAL consequences like legal trouble or when you cannot defend yourself in that moment when you are being silenced.
One really annoying thing here in US is that it is PC to say Happy Holidays. Ppl say this to include all the major stuff and minor stuff. IMO its lazy. Just say Happy Thanksgiving, or Merry Christmas. Oh but companies dont want to somehow offend non christians who celebrate kwanza, or hanukkah by excluding them. SO we are stuck with the lame emotionless lazy Happy Holidays stamp that means little.
It's politically correct to not cook other humans in your easy-bake.
+Stratigast Only on Sunday... ;)
Carl Street yeah, i prefer Wednesdays
+Stratigast No there is a demonstrable failure in this idea: If the idea of cooking other people caught on the population would keep halving in the most extreme case until you're left with two hungry people licking their lips at one another...
+FortisConscius With the possible exception of the calories; I see little difference between your hypothetical desciription and contemporary society... ;)
lol
Well, since there is only one politically correct opinion, a free-thinker is given a great deal more scope by being incorrect. There are a near-infinite number of incorrect opinions on gays.
As a concept, either "political correctness" is indistinguishable from correct correctness, in which case it is redundant and useless, or it is different from correct correctness, in which case it is incorrect.
I'm loving these old videos!
Yes, the only reason that overt racism is 'politically correct' is because racism isn't actually a big deal.
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm
The word cretin was created to avoid offence, as was moron, and later retard. It is called the 'euphemism treadmill'. Any word which means stupid will be used as an insult.
The problem is defining "political correctness". To me it's just another empty phrase for people without arguments.
Maybe relevant examples didn't exist in 2009, but I can think of ample things that are politically correct and factually correct. Quite often, these seem to also be intuitively false, but "political correctness" is a far easier way to change the masses than scientific literacy at an advanced level in a niche field. Climate change is politically correct, transgender people are politically correct, institutional and generational expanations for racism are politically correct, universal healthcare is politically correct. All of these things are verified as meaningful/true by the relevant experts but they are all intuitively false/bad because the level of explanation required is beyond the understanding or attention span of a lot of people (unlike something as simple and practically demonstrable as a wheel).
is climate change considered politically correct? I must not understand the concept of political correctness well if those terms even go together
I agree. I find pre-dismissal of a topic as conclusively false because one set of people has declared it "pc" or in 2021 parlance - "woke" - to be an effective means for the elite to stamp out progress. Those who benefit from the status quo use this language to demean ideas that would cause an upset in their comfort even if that upheaval meant progress for a portion or even the rest of the world. The original idea of "a good idea being demonstrably good" is sadly controlled by those with the power to deem what is "good" for all. A square wheel works brilliantly with catenaries and quarter circle wheels very well might have been used to transport large, square blocks of marble in ancient Egypt. (See the work of mathematics professor, Stan Wagon.) Square wheels might serve a small sect of people with a particular need, but if the majority can deride it as "pc" then those who need the square wheels will continue to go without. In fact, they'll be judged for "pushing their agenda" just because the majority has never seen the use for square wheels and think they're being troublemakers.
Broad-mindedness, thinking outside the box - I don't find these admirable terms to be applicable to those who reject ideas by labeling them in those buzzwords "pc" and "woke." I find using them shuts down conversation and to be patronizing. I might have parroted this opinion in this video in my younger days, but my thinking has evolved.
@@SelectiveMemories very well said. To me it seems like the words “politically correct/pc” are used more often these days by those opposing such things
It is not often that an 11-year-old youtube video ages well
You should have put more examples in this video, and probably spent some time to elaborate on the definitions.
It's quite important that we all know what we're talking about when discussing something, which is why scientific journals can put an almost silly amount of time into ironing out the exact meanings of their words and definitions. That is to effectively eliminate any kind of misunderstandings.
I think he's talking more about things that are true but because someone with a stick up their arse would get offended, you can't say it that way. Personal for instance:
I was in a class and had made a comment about how because of the hormonal differences between men and women with testosterone and estrogen respectively, our bodies and brains developed differently with unique specializations that could be seen in averages of large populations groups across time and region. Another student accused me of not being politically correct because I had out right stated that men and women had physical and psychological differences as a result of biology. I continued to site several studies on the development of the brain studied at autopsy based on trends that were clearly visible and discernible between the two genders. On average, the way a woman's brain is structured is different than a man's. This is also believed to be a contributing factor to transgendered persons' feelings of being trapped in the body of the wrong gender (though more research is still needed). Apparently, acknowledging that there are traits or habits conducive to one group over another is seen as prejudice and therefore politically incorrect. To say that a man and woman are different in any way must therefore be insulting to the woman and is considered sexist. Unless you're saying that a woman is superior to a man in some way then you're being progressive and egalitarian. Because that's how that all works now. New Speak. It's here.
SinerAthin
I thunk of the same thing.
I always have great respect for your thoughts, Loyd, and here are some that I had. a bunch of stuff deemed "politically correct" simply boils down to just not being a dick to someone. You already understand that I desire to be called a man and be addressed with he/him/his. But say I grow out my hair and throw on my skinny jeans and someone mistakes me for a woman and I politely correct them and they oblige (something that does indeed happen to me). Its exactly the same for many other instances of gender identity. Just like you and I they would prefer to be called one thing and not another so you respect them just like they respect you. In another line of thought this applies to deaf, blind, and disabled peoples preferring to always have the people/person in their addressed label. its their situation and their choice so you respect that and just not be a dick to them. Anyone who tries to "burn you at the stake" for being "politically incorrect" clearly does not understand this, unless of course you are being antagonistic right out the gate and wouldn't you be angry at someone jeeringly calling you someone that you are not?
miss, brevity.
@@kittysplode learn to read faster then
@@junethanoschurchill6750 ignorant
This video still stands up today.
11 years later and Lloyd is still spot on
Alternatively "politically correct" is a term often used to describe something other people believe to be right but you believe to be wrong. The term is almost always used by people who disagree with an idea, very seldom by people who agree with it. It's therefore unsurprising that most things that you would describe as "politically correct" are, to your mind, incorrect.
We can either stop the pendulum or watch it swing back and forth forever. Political correctness, Social Justice... It all only aims to swing the pendulum in the other direction. It'll move there until it can't no more, turn, and swing right back with all the energy PC/SJWs have put in before.
We got to bring the pendulum to a halt. With reason, compassion and wisdom. Not with screaming, hurting or shaming.
Can we as humanity be this advanced, please?
we're _getting_ there.... it's just taking a lot longer than most of us would like.
No
The Basement Gamer
Yes
+Huehuehue no
The Basement Gamer
pretty sure it's yes.
Triangular wheels are superior to square wheels.
They have one less bump.
Ironically, circles have infinitely more bumps than either of those, and yet here we are
@@thesoupin8or673 nope
How thin does a rectangular wheel have to be before we say they basically just have two bumps?
Political correctness is a very clever tool to suppress discussion of an issue. It is also largely a matter of being thought fashionable, as much so as wearing the "right" clothes or going to the latest fashionable holiday spot.
Well... I've had similar thoughts myself at times, but I think you have to consider that some things a reasonable person might take for granted as simply "correct," are "politically correct" to the mind of a less reasonable person. You and I might consider the use of a public restroom by people of all races to be a non-issue, but right here on RUclips, as we debate, there are people who prefer segregation and actually use the term "political correctness" to describe this and any other policy that conflicts with their Nineteenth Century ideals. I think there is a great deal of political correctness that has gotten out of hand, as for instance, so-called Third Wave Feminism has. But I also think it remains that one person's political correctness is simply the right thing to a majority of reasonable people.
i think the difference is that it's obviously correct not to shit on the floor, but once people start doing it, then telling them not to is an act of political correctness. so in fact there is little correlation between things being politically correct and things being correct, and the reason he sees this pattern is that the things that are most often brought up in discussion of politics are those that are controversial--that's what politics is. if everyone in the room goes "hm, yes, i agree", then the discussion lasts all of five seconds and there is comparatively none of this when you are looking at decades-long arguments.
PC in my country: A person who served 7 years for 'child cruelty and domestic violence', is labeled a 'family man'
This guy is so based it's astounding. One of my favourite channels.
This video ages very well
@Lindybeige perhaps a follow-up video to this possibly addressing ideas etc of the people who commented. You have fascinating insights into a wide variety of topics. You articulate your opinions, arguments and hypothesis very well in all your content, not just this video.
Love the variety of topics covered by your channel, and the confidence to tackle what are considered very controversial topics, where many would fear to tread. Keep up the good work, and good luck with the channel.
From one Brit, to another.
So good ideas become non-political, leaving only bad ideas as politically correct? Possible, but why would a good idea be political in the first place? I suspect that things have to be made politically correct - that PCshiphood is not the default state of a new idea.
It's not the triangular wheels that are wrong, it's our stupid flat roads.
This lesson should be taught to young teens, think for yourself and don't be a sheep.
10 years of checking your theory: you are more right than ever. Lloyd, you are a man far ahead of your time. thank you!
Very true. Thanks for the feedback, I was simply needing some clarification to be sure that I understood what you meant.
"If you can persuade enough people to *act* as though it were correct and to *enforce** the understanding it's correct OK, it's just correct on the rest of society. Then you're idea will live, it'll have legs and people will still be believing it. Or sort of believing it in years to come perhaps."
And what is Exhibit A, towering above all others? The Holocaust! Which funnily enough you made a video about.
*And it is, literally, enforced. It's illegal to question the narrative in several countries.
So just.... are you a Holocaust denier? Because I'll be honest, I'd heard they existed, just never quite seen one before.
Pc has advanced quite a lot since this video was made. I believe you are 100% correct.
Triangular wheels are actually brilliant for going up stairs from a robotics point of view. I hope this doesn't offend anyjuan.
This doesnt just apply to Political Correctness, but ALL forms of evangelism: advertisement, marketing, religion, mass ideology, politics in general. Anything that presents the trueness, validity, or quality of any object, belief, or statement based on its coherence to a set of in-group dogma, or falsely manufactured desires. Its all propaganda designed to sell products, concentrate wealth and power, and control people and set them in groups against each other.
Spot on Lloyd! Lloyd for Prime Minister!
PC is a fine concept.
Sexism is bad. Racisim is bad. etc.
Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people go too far.
That's when you get 'person-hole covers'.
That is bad.
+Azirahael Unfortunately the punishment far outweighs the crime a lot of the time.
I can make a dozen jokes about Scotts or Finns being drunk or the Irish potato famine or the French being surrendering cowards who smell and eat weird things - try making a joke about someone who's labeled a minority and you're a social pariah. Likewise with a joke about the sexes (or even fostering the belief that different sexes are, infact, hardwired differently and better at different things) - that lands you in a lot of hot water just for tossing the idea around.
If it gets to the point where you're denying people jobs or trying to lynch people based on their gender or skin colour, sure, that's been proven to be stupid - but you can't tell a joke without people looking at you like you advocate stoning the subject to death.
I'll take free speech and hurt feelings over a civilization that throws away hundreds of years spent fighting for the ability to be able to say things that go against the grain (like gosh, maybe there ISN'T a God!) over a censored society of coddled individuals.
I think a lot of people are looking at this wrong...
The idea that men and women are equal is correct.
The idea that there should be a lot of laws to personally protect a woman in ways men are not allowed to be i.e. Sexual Harassment (I've known men who have been sexually harassed by women, and people overlooked it, and it got to the point they actually quit their job because no-one did anything about it) is politically correct.
No, I am not an anti-feminist, don't start. (Although, the term 'feminism' does seem to carry connotations of "women first" which really isn't necessary these days. "Gender equality" would be better)
2020 and this is still relevant.
You'd think a two minute rant video would be outdated 10 years later. Huh.
Any kind of regular shape can be a good wheel for an appropriately shaped road. The wheel is only good for a flat road (which they rarely are)...
True but a flat road is still easier to consistently aproximate than any of the alternatives, and turning with square wheels on an appropriately built road would be quite chalenging
It's a lot worse now eleven years later.
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone use the term "politically correct" outside of the context of complaining about it.
@Tobias Reiner You want to know what real "political correctness" looks like? Look at Yangon right now. Oh wait, you can't. They TURNED OFF THE INTERNET this morning.
So let me tell you about it instead. You speak out against the Tatmadaw there, you will be taken in the night and no one will ever see you again.
Your complaints are paltry.
You should respect the rights of web services and other forms of media to curate the content they host. It's their website, not yours. You consented to the user agreements you fucking crybaby. Go make your own website.
You want to yell about bullshit? You can still do that. You just don't like that no one wants to listen.
It's pathetic.
@Tobias Reiner Honestly, don't even fucking try me right now. I just lost contact with a dear friend indefinitely. I don't know if she's safe or whether I will ever be able to speak to her again. The last time Myanmar went dark it lasted 50 fucking years.
So do not fucking try me. You could not have picked a worse fucking time.
@Tobias Reiner World's Worst Take Award...
Go fuck yourself you ignorant cretin.
FINALLY! thank you Lindy I thought no one had this opinion but myself. You did put it in a lot more of an elegant, tactful way then I ever could.
This aged well
How did he predict mainstream democratic candidates in the US? Lloyd is a time traveller?
Similarly the word "Justice" is rendered meaningless or is altered beyond recognition, by the prefix "Social"
I thought being politically correct meant refraining from says such words as: *****, ******, ******, and even *****. Am I wrong or has the meaning changed?
It's more now I can say this but you can't say this thing now not what it was intended to be and frankly i think it was that way from the beginning
Equal representation for square, oval, triangle, pentagon, rectangle, and pentagram shaped wheels!
+sukotsutoclone On the same car lol! Rumble, wobble, rumble.
As I am german I don't know too much about the situation in the uk, but according th the situation in germany I have to disagree strongly.
We have a lot of people who rant against politicall correctness and try to portray it as some kinde of conspirecy against the small men, however most of this people just use that as an excuse to insult and be racist.
In fact in germany political correct language is MORE accurate and in deed correct then the political incorrect.
I give you an example:
The german word "Ausländer" (foreigner) is often used in a (political) incorrect way by people who follow the old idea of a racial monotone germany to refer to people who they do not consider to be german although in fact these people have german citizenship, and quite a lot of them are born in germany, went to school in germany and speak german as their first language, but as they or their parents have been imigratet to germany and they might have a darker skintone then your stereotypical "german" they are considered as foreign.
Now if you want to refer to these people in political correct language you would say "Mitbürger mit Migrationshintergrund" (fellow citizens with a migration background) and though that might be more unwiedly then just "Ausländer" it is in fact more correct and also less exclouding.
I thought through more examples and can say that in germany political correct language is on the one side usually more unwieldy then political incorrect language, but on the other side it is more civilized in a way of beeing less insulting and racist and yes it is more correct and more precise then political incorrect language.
That's the kind of thing he's talking about when he says if something is correct it doesn't have to be "politically correct".
I sometimes think that, when you want to focus on the cultural background of people, it is better to refer to them by their first language rather than their nationality or skin color. Like, American ((English)speaker), German (speaker), etc. Dunno.
A lot of the problem is that the whole idea of "political correctness" was devised to imply that people were being wrongly forced to stop saying hateful things just because people *asked* them to stop saying hateful things, or suggested that there might be other, less-hateful ways of saying something. If it had been about something as neutral as the best shape for a wheel, then yeah -- it's not "actually correct" to say that a triangle is a good shape for a wheel. But the term was invented because people who wanted to say, for example, that Brobdingagian women are all welfare cheats got called out for saying it, and wanted to label their opponents as heavy-handed censors for calling them out. Argument is not censorship, but intolerant dominant groups pretend that it is in order to justify their continued intolerant dominance.
Well, you could make triangular wheels work. They'd need to be reuleaux triangles, but they are triangles nonetheless.
My God, Lloyd sure knows how to start a flame war...
11 years ago Lloyd called this shit out. Unreal.
triangular wheels would probably be useful for gripping ice better. And of course you could have the same product and use it for something different like a drill. there are triangular wheel-like things inside many guns. you could use something like it to move through a very viscus fluid. in fact I propose that triangular wheels have more uses than regular wheels.
So true. How many times have people tried to remove the stigma from medical conditions used as insults. Now PC terms like "diferently abled" are insults frequently heard on the school playground. Changing somthings name does not change what it is.
in 2009, Lloyd was warning was warning us but we didn't listen.... oh god we didn't listen
If only you knew how bad things could get Lindy.
Posted during the race riots in America 2020
@TomisHoare Especially considering that George Floyd was in fact a terrible person. He had previously robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, and was a drug addict who ate his stash of meth and fentanyl before he got arrested which is likely at least in part what caused his death.
They made a saint of the guy, gave him two nationally televised funerals and a golden casket. And he was a total POS that I doubt any of these rich virtue signaling lefties would be caught dead out in public with in normal curcumstances.
Truly ludicrous.
And now 3 months into Biden admin we still have masked armed military and razor wire lining our nations capital and everyone saying “yay, back to normal”.
We’re fucked.
I didn't even know the phrase and idea existed 11 years ago. Seriously.
time to educate yourself on the subject I guess, the concept of political correctness has been around for almost 100 years
@@blitheringape5321 boringggg
@@cherrybomb3713 agreed. however, you did watch this video so clearly you had some interest
I think the term is very misleading with the word "politically" in it.
The way I see it is that being "politically correct", for most people, doesn't mean you are right or wrong, just that you aren't offending anyone. So if I say "the round wheel is good" and "the triangular wheel is good", both statements are politically correct because no one is offended by them, even though the first one is a much better idea than the second.
If I say "christians are bad" that is not politically correct because it is offensive to christians. Depending on who I say this to, they might get offended or not, but generally speaking people are not very accepting of such statement, so it's not politically correct. I see this being used most often in regards to celebrities and such as their words have to be carefully chosen to not damage their reputation and therefore must always remain "politically correct".
If we use a more grounded definition of the words though, I guess you are right, because the term is frequently as a means of silencing intelectual competition.
This is probably the most important video you’ve ever made.
Everytime someone says PC, I cringe, because they have no idea what political correctness means.
Also, they keep calling corporate HR culture, the same thing as Stalinist propaganda.
Broke: Maoist struggle session
Woke: Maoist struggle snuggle
@Forscythe80
Or is it not about the patients, but about the nurses, who management wants to view the people in their care as paying clients, people that give money, to be treated as business customers rather than as people to be cared for and tenderly looked after?
George Orwell lives.
To me, "Political Correctness" just means being polite and tolerant towards others. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a clunky and Orwellian term for the kind of basic decency which civilized society demands of us.
When somebody argues against "Political Correctness," they sometimes have legitimate concerns about censorship and free expression. However, some people who rail about Political Correctness just want to say cruel and intolerant things without being criticized for it. How about we retire it and just agree to be awesome to each other from now on, Wyld Stallyns style?
Fast forward 11 years and things are so much worse now.
If someone gets to decide what kinds of politics are correct that's the end of democracy.
Political correctness just seems to be a modern way of telling someone you think they're copping out on something, I find that when it it used from what I've seen, the person often directing it as a description of someone else's viewpoint or actions just didn't really want to explain why they dislike their view, so they just say "you're politically correct" as a short hand way of saying "I don't think you're being genuine, I think you're an idealist bastard with your head up your arse".
My two "cents", there.
Brilliant! Why would something that is correct need to be made politically correct?
I have only ever heard someone defend something as politically correct a couple of times while I have heard people speak out about how wrong political correctness is hundreds of times
Political correctness is not to convince people an idea is correct, but to make it socially unacceptable to question the idea. This way fiddly things like logic, reason and facts need not taint the narrative that is trying to be put forth. So I agree that your general premise is right (that political correctness is a smokescreen for wrong ideas), but I disagree that it attempts to convince people the idea is correct. Honestly the simplest way to defend the indefensible is to make it indefensible to have a counter viewpoint, no matter the reason.
It's primarily an issue of labels, if a group of people want to be addressed in a certain way and enough people are agreeable (there will always be people who disagree) then why not call that group of people by the name they want, it's just politeness, well that's the idea, but like any system of politeness it can be used for the advantage of certain people and the detriment of others.
the music in the first few seconds, sounded quite epic ...and a worthy piece of music to put in my library. Do you know where its from? ^^
I think there has to be a balance here. It is true that there's such a thing as too much political correctness and I'm definitely no fan of oversensitivity or censorship...
...but on the other hand over the past few years it's become really appraent to me that some take the opposite a little too far as well, and hang the threat of "being too politically correct" on others as a way to basically be as abominable a monster as they can possibly be and get away with it.
11 years on anyone?
lindy sees the future