Does anyone remember a priest called Father Hugh Thwaites who was a pastor to a lot of black Catholic families there? He was very close to Railton Road.
If you’re going to place the blame for someone’s stabbing solely on the police who tried to help rather than the individual who attacked them in the first place, I’m not sure how to save you 🤔
Powerful documentary thanks for sharing it you don't get shown these types of documentaries in schools, movements like this encourage change for the better, we should always work towards keeping Britain a United kingdom regardless of race religion or creed.
@Socio Pathetic I'm definitely using your line in future comments,~i Those *3 Words* tell exactly what I also know to be a truth about cause and effect. I've understood and discussed this concept frequently but mostly with lots of words and often in regard to religion and how it lies to people via indoctrinating folks, but is well expressed here~! Thanks~!
I grew up in Acre Lane, I remember how shocked I was when a young police officer, no older than 21, approached me and said 'I'm sorry to do this but I must search you' and he was ever so polite. I still remember what he looked like. I also respect the police officers for admitting what they did.
A lot of people talking shit in the comments as usual. Know nothing about Brixton. It was never about black & white. Black and white have always got along in Brixton and live side by side with no problems. Brixton is the least racist place in the world. The problem was with authority. I’ve lived in Brixton all my life and known about 5 riots and all of them were black & white versus police. Brixton is a great place and despite its problems with the police many places could learn a lot about living together and not caring about the colour of someone’s skin ask any white or black Brixton heads.
make you right fella. Im white and i grew up and lived in Brixton/Tulse hill for many years. It wasnt a race riot. It was just pure oppression from the police in a very deprived area, Tottenham etc was exactly the same all i know is Lambeth where i was born was a tough place to grow up but was never a black and white problem. The police made the place a tinderbox ready to go and they provided the flame. Boom....
Sorry to inform you, but the police themselves say it *was indeed* about black and white. For the blacks, maybe it was about authority, but for those white cops it was bias and authority "over" the black population - their words in this very documentary - they equivalated crime w black.
OK, ok, I have to eat (part) of my hat~! If you meant for the rioters, it was not about racism....in their minds, you are correct, it was not; it was racism and actions based on racism, on the part of police as documented here, that provoked them. I particularly like the line the man in the white shirt, when responding to the reporter who told them that the Gov't blamed "an organized group" when he said, among other things, in response "How long can you press the feelings [of people]?" People today would do themselves and our struggles w racism to heed the depth of that statement. It is not about color, it is about the color one's feelings take on when oppressed.
" I didn't join the Police as a racist but whilst I was in the Police, I became one" Wow The levels of that statement. The undertones are still there today.
Sadly, Police Culture of those days was very much "You're either with us or you're against us and you DON'T want to be against us, alright?" Nowadays, thankfully, things have changed. They're not perfect, but they've changed...
There was as much unsaid in that comment as said. Later in the documentary, a second policeman said (and I summarise): "If black people are disproportionately the ones committing the muggings, what benefit is there stopping and searching other ethnicities?" Could this be what made the policeman become a racist?
I lived up the road on the Cressingham Gardens Estate. This was by far the worst of all the riots. There was another riot in 1985 and 1995 and 2011 along with rest of London.
@@beaulieuonnp593 What you talking about Willis. I was also living in Gresham road years later. Behind the police station. I was in Brixton when the riots were going on my brother was in the police station. I had to go and get him out of there during the riots. Your an idiot. You clearly wasnt there.
I’m a white woman and I was married to a black man in 1981… we were living in North Lincolnshire at that time and the police visited us concerning a fight that my husband had witnessed. When the officer entered our home he remarked ‘Is your hifi unit from the Brixton riots?’. Unbelievable! So rascist! Even after all the riots..😐
What's the most sickening of this whole ordeal is the fact people who'd no interest in the reason behind the disturbance took the opportunity to help themselves to something fancy....
Lennie James narrates . Great actor. For those who havnt seen it watch ,Run, British tv 4 part series filmed in the same area. Absolute class. Part 3 as Richard.
The irony of thie New Cross road house fire is that there is a large painted billboard advert on the side of a house opposite dated probably from the 40's or 50's that reads, "Brymay safety matches"...
Thomas Andersen Yh I do flex it everywhere I go just telling people about how my dad is from Brixton. Just grew up u muppet it’s cos it’s a vid on the subject u mug
Whaouh !! I remember the riots in Brixton in 1981 when we were living there as a 9 year old kid with my family !! It was freaking scary as hell ! By end oh Nov 1981 we left! It was really dangerous! 😳 I’m surprised I’m still alive!
I lived in and around Railton Road up to 1985 unofficially rehabilitating officially vandalised properties. If you were young and white you got the same treatment. Especially if you were involved in all the incredible community stuff that made the place so vibrant and exciting. I was amazed by the resilience of people who tolerated this "military style occupation" for so long without rising to the bait. When the riots finally erupted they felt like a tactical victory for freedom but were a strategic failure for common sense.
So, Tony, please if you don't mind, could you comment on what they said about the high crime rate and the muggings? They did not ask the black people here about this. It said, the mugging rate was 4 times higher than anywhere else. And the Swamp '81 made mugging fall by half in one week. Is there any truth in this? Manchester's Moss Side was also a high crime area, as was Liverpool's Toxteth and black people never address this...it's always something said by white people, by police...so is there such high crime? If so, why? Why don't law and order seem to be internalised, because poverty doesn't excuse muggings.
yeah i was young and white and lived up the road in Tulse Hill in 85 and witnessed both riots and there was NO race card between the youths we all got along. It was the police that was the problem and how they policed Brixton and the surrounding areas. I went to Tulse Hill Boys briefly and then Dunraven. My younger brother was caught up in the riots in 85 we had to get him from Brixton police station 28th Sept. So that evening the height of the riot. Was incredible to see all the cars burning and Brixton Burning like that that night. Not long after Cherry Groce was shot by the Babylon man.
There are a lot of people talking a lot of rubbish, both in the documentary and in these comments. The one thing that is left out of both is the change that was made in the law to aid the police, which they then abused to victimise anyone they wanted. It was called the “Suspicion Law”, and meant that police cold stop anyone and search them and all they had to say is that they thought you were acting suspicious. Not that they suspected you of being involved in a crime, just that they thought you were being suspicious. The statistics at the time were that 90% of stop and search were for IC3 males. #Lived in Brixton then, still do.
Also lots of Irish kids working in London living in Kilburn where getting the same trouble as black kids so score’s went down to Brixton. Many had rioted in Derry and new how it worked, they made the most effective petrol bombs they had a chemical in them that meant you don’t have to light them they exploded on impact .
At the beginning of the film there was acknowledged that there was a massive problem in the area with street robberies by the black community. And a robust solution was used. Which did work. Put aside the behaviour of some officers. In principle the method was the right one .. but one that police will never be confident to use again . Regardless of its success. Which is a poor shame.
Remember this well i was 20yrs old and working in a Brockley petrol station , remember all the youth coming in jarring about it, a historic moment truly xx
@Socio Pathetic sure the spoils of colonialism are paying for it, and plus England owes the world with their history of thieving, rape and destruction worldwide
I am from Norway. And I went to Brixton because I love Hijack. I am very tall.. 187 cm and VERY blond. Everone said .. VELCOME!!! The locals did ask why. And I told them because of music. Never felt more safe in my life
Business interests imported tens of thousands of poor Blacks from Jamaica to work industrial jobs that disappeared in the 1970s and the result was the second generation grew up in a recession, with no prospect for future industrial work and no love for the nation that gave their parents the opportunity to prosper. This is exactly what happened in the United States WRT Mexico and continues to this day. The US is importing hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to work jobs that no longer exist.
Affected young+Middle age white people also late 70s-mid 80s were dark times my uncle had teeth knocked out by plod during the miners strike plus his fellow picketers being severely beaten by a vengeful malicious police force(how things were)
@mbproject21 why does one have to mean the other? The cops were despicable. But I agree with that comment. Their pride in stealing, looting, burning their own community... it's unbelievable. That's not political protest, that's just mindless selfish violence. Do you think the police have never used violence against working class people ? ...how about the 1930s and the terrible poverty? People Hunger Marched, they did something historic, not set fire to their own streets and go looting.
Humans love violence, they always have. They are proud because they felt like they made a change. Weather ot not it was good is up to you. If I was being racially targeted, then I would feel just as pissed off as them.
The ladies talking at 1.35. Brixton was not a great place to live. I was there . I lived there im white. Tulse hill boys. Black or White. Trust me Brixton was rough in 1981. It was not a nice place to live.
It's so incredibly refreshing to hear honesty from a cop. "We just targeted whoever we wanted to" "Blackness equated with criminality" This is EXACTLY what is happening in the US. It is simply racism.
Yes, but they were using methods that were acceptable, at the time & they had alot more discretionary power in their hands too. Nothing was written down, like after The PACE Act 1984. It was considered normal to do that back then, not to every black person (As officers did chat to older black men) but certainly towards younger people.
I lived in Brixton and I am a Brixton boy...it wasn't about race or the police or the vanilla boys it was about immigration, politics,culturall historical values basically. We humans are still stupid and primitive maybe in a thousand years we might change...sad but true.
*PLEASE NOTE: **50:57** MIN:* Above the fold of the top lay newspaper, Sunday Times, the *other* fully capped headline "Lord Denning: My Early Life And Struggles..." ~ Now if that is not a great irony on display, nothing could ever be. I imagine one such early struggle might be what to wear to breakfast when houseguests are present, ha ha. Of course, I don't know, maybe he had mental health issues, and I will look into it, but one has to wonder in 2021 if any one took notice of the irony, on that same day they read the headlines~!
Y was this Peter bleksley in the force from 1978 2 1982 was he one of the officers who gt kicked out of the force for inappropriate behaviour racism because that's a very short service in the police. Hmm makes me wonder why🤔 n this officer Roger fuller
Hes quite famous now as it happens telling his own story. I'm here went on to be an under cover cop. Search his name and his many podcast appearances will show
I never understand people who take the stance of 'the police should've just withdrawn and left'. Well, no. There are buildings burning, people getting hurt, robberies, assaults. If they're not going to police that then what's the point? The police's main role is to preserve life and property. Regardless of what led up to it, the police running away because the criminals are getting too violent is never going to be a good strategy and will only end up hurting innocent people caught up in it.
In a way the police probably wished they could just walk away. Let them burn themselves to the ground. But the police have a duty to those shop keepers and residents whose lives were being ruined
I was their as I was only 8 years old when this happend in 1981 and I remember it like yesterday..the noise and sound of breaking glass is something imbedded in my mind, I was born and bred on mayall Road (frontline)and lived there for 24 years.. 40 years on these events of 81 and 85 still haunt me but at the same time it definitely defined me as man of colour.. since the Lord scarman and mcpherson reports nothing has changed Boris is the undercover version of Margaret thatcher
We should be teaching our kids about this important social history and how it relates to the more recent riots and the horror of Grenfield. Lessons and reality checks for all of us.
Do you mean Grenfell Tower? How does it relate to the Brixton riots? Im glad your not teaching modern history. You and your moronic 6 followers clearly know Nothing about History...Jesus you couldnt even spell Grenfell Right?
??? What are you talking about?? People killed children... which children are YOU talking about? Are you addressing the parents of the murderers? Or? Grow up?😂 so you support murder?
That's what the police were like towards afro carribean n Indian people dem days. N them whàn put up drama like da mangrove 9 N dem ting pon bbci player
Can a police force really be a police force without every officer armed ?? I acknowledge the tremendous/ proud history of the metropolitan police but, gee....
Riots took place all over the country. Toxteth, liverpool. Bristol, manchester. Birmingham etc plus many other areas of London, Tottenham etc......For the same reason....
yep make you right fella for questioning that? black,white,asian brothers,arabs,turks have never had a problem. The only problem was the police and how they policed the area under PACE, Stop and search. @@SexyGuv77
So it was a high crime area; a place where people were making money from selling dope; alcohol was sold and consumed unlawfully; and there was unlawful gaming taking place. That's the activities that are admitted in this video. Who knows what else locals were getting up to.The examples of unlawful activities are those given by black people in the video. Seems, though, that none of this was the business of the police.
The commander was responsible for this whole mess. My dad was at the forefront of these riots, we lived in tulse hill at the time. My dad had a metal plate in his head due to injuries sustained by police officers. He was later imprisoned in Brixton prison for ‘assaulting a police officer’ (with a crushed skull 🤦🏽♀️) ..... years down the line he was part of the wind rush scandal and was deported to a country he left when he was 12 yrs old, he disappeared 4 months after arriving in his ‘homeland’ ..... 4 years later his body was found very badly decomposed. My dad died in a country that he no longer called home, he was british by heart and he died alone 😢.... all because of the colour of his skin 😭😢
Plod got what they deserved, I was just a sixteen year old white boy at the time living in Surrey, we had no sympathy for old bill up there. Plod will all be retired now, lets hope they're not having the best of times
The problem has never been the black people that came in the 50s and worked hard, it was their kids and grandkids that think the country somehow owes them something. I cant believe the people getting interviewed here are actually proud about rioting. It shows why London is the mess it is now.
excellent post , nail on the head , their offspring didn't want to work and make any effort , expecting things to be their way and every next batch is worse than the last ...which is very worrying , these fake blm riots and thieving and violence sprees and the fact they were being almost endorsed by moronic politicians and celebrities and that the weak willed police response was so pathetic means we'll unfortunately see far worse . This charade of supposed persecution of black people in modern times and the lefty media bias towards it is mind blowing , its a phantom, a myth.
@John webb Ah the alt right fascists rear their ugly heads again. Tell me how much to you love being a racist homophobe in today's free for all? 10/10? Once can only presume.
When our police force was a force !!!Bet there was a few northern Ireland veterans within the police ranks that day if you ask me they made a good situation out of a bad one
Those 2 or 3 West indians moaning the most?Ask them some questions? Question....Are you working?Have you ever worked here?Do you intend to work here?Do you intend to support your children?Why are you here if you dont like it?Why u not go home?Do you intend to start a busineess to help your community,and offspring and promote black culture, and arts..Steel bands...... Reggae and Ska which the white youth love so much....so .. we can all respect each other and live in peace?Have you ever tried?Where does your money come from so you can live so good.Do you respect the law of Land?The answer is easy bro we can get you on the next plane To Kingston Jamaica or if you really wannna bbeee Moscow Russia or Zimbabwe the choice is yours Ok Bruv
Spot on. The fact that a lot of them were dealing drugs and involved in crime has nothing to do with their colour...it's just a fact! If they tried to integrate like the first generation did, maybe things would have been different. Of course there will always be racism..and that's wrong. The police were also wrong many times..but this attitude that "you don't like me cos I'm black" is also an impediment to peace.
Always feel that the young black men think that they are owed something. Put in some proper work, not just working in a trap house. There's fucking jobs everywhere, especially if you want to do adverts. 🤔
So it was against authority was it. Well i never lived in Brixton myself but i had friends who did. I lived in London for 25 years and i never had a rotten word for ANY black person, and it's true most were OK with me, BUT many were also NOT. But if it was just Black people against authority why attack a bleedin fire engine who only wanted to help - i suppose they'd all had too much to drink did they and never knew what they were doing!!!
fiona beswick SO DO BLACK PEOPLE NOT FEAR ! Ignorant idiot ! Was falsely accusing black people an denying them jobs right . If you treat people bad anomie ( a break down of norms ) will happen . Then they feel a counter society subculture. YOU MARGINALISED US , MADE US FEEL LESS THAN and when we react we are bad and look like animals🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. God bless you ! Haven’t you heard don’t throw stones at a glass house . The police and the white people threw stones and the glass smashed and look at the cause . It made changes significant ones the stop and searches were stopped ! Police and government heard the cry of black people🤣There has been a massive change but there will be . Thanks for your opinion though
fiona beswick and remember we were robbed of the right of jobs even though we were invited and robbed of places to live and robbed of the right to walk down the street without getting prejudice. We were belittled and your concern is about robbing .🤣🤣🤣🤣Boy or Girl BYEEEEEEEES
@@tabsafora3613 I'm not defending the police. And the level of racism was appalling. What I'm doing is asking any black person, and clearly you were there, to comment on what it said. It said. The mugging rate was 4 times higher than anywhere else. Mugging is a cowardly crime, committed by young men mostly, against helpless victims. So what is the truth? Was there a high rate of mugging ? And if so, fo you believe the level of racism in some way justifies it? If a young man is beaten by the cops, i.s he justified in stealing an old lady's purse, with violence ? Does racism damage people so much they will become the worst kind of criminals ?
@@tabsafora3613 and one thing that cannot be justified is looting from your own community. Look at that girl saying "hey, I've got some jewelry " that's not a political protest against racism. It's just stealing. So you are poor and have no jewelry...neither did I. I grew up poor too. I would never never take what's not mine. Yet those guys are boasting on how much they stole! From Brixton shops!
@@tabsafora3613 my grandparents grew up in desperate poverty. One sister died if diphtheria, another of TB. There was no National health, no welfare...or a pitiful bit. Another two brothers died in the war. Did my grandparents loot, burn, ... did my grandad say "the working class are treated appallingly.... I'm going to mug an old lady"? No. They voted Labour, joined their unions, changed things for everyone. Do you think working class people didn't face discrimination, limited opportunities, being belittled, police violence ?
I grew up in Brixton !! I remember those days as a kid !! It was bad. We left with my family a few months after those riots !
i make you right fella
Does anyone remember a priest called Father Hugh Thwaites who was a pastor to a lot of black Catholic families there? He was very close to Railton Road.
Gosh socman3988 this is like American cities in the 1960's! I am an African American from Chicago.
Yeah man i was around in 81 but remember the 85 riots better.@@nathancoleman7235
If you’re going to place the blame for someone’s stabbing solely on the police who tried to help rather than the individual who attacked them in the first place, I’m not sure how to save you 🤔
Powerful documentary thanks for sharing it you don't get shown these types of documentaries in schools, movements like this encourage change for the better, we should always work towards keeping Britain a United kingdom regardless of race religion or creed.
@Socio Pathetic I'm definitely using your line in future comments,~i Those *3 Words* tell exactly what I also know to be a truth about cause and effect. I've understood and discussed this concept frequently but mostly with lots of words and often in regard to religion and how it lies to people via indoctrinating folks, but is well expressed here~! Thanks~!
I grew up in Acre Lane, I remember how shocked I was when a young police officer, no older than 21, approached me and said 'I'm sorry to do this but I must search you' and he was ever so polite. I still remember what he looked like. I also respect the police officers for admitting what they did.
No Copper I know would ever treat you like the way some of these guys got treated, not even if you were known to Police..
Also Babylon. filmed in Brixton around 1980. well worth a watch. on Netflix.
I got it ...but seen it many years ago
A lot of people talking shit in the comments as usual. Know nothing about Brixton. It was never about black & white. Black and white have always got along in Brixton and live side by side with no problems. Brixton is the least racist place in the world. The problem was with authority. I’ve lived in Brixton all my life and known about 5 riots and all of them were black & white versus police. Brixton is a great place and despite its problems with the police many places could learn a lot about living together and not caring about the colour of someone’s skin ask any white or black Brixton heads.
That is the way to do it much love to Brixton from America I hope we all learn from them eventually
make you right fella. Im white and i grew up and lived in Brixton/Tulse hill for many years. It wasnt a race riot. It was just pure oppression from the police in a very deprived area, Tottenham etc was exactly the same all i know is Lambeth where i was born was a tough place to grow up but was never a black and white problem. The police made the place a tinderbox ready to go and they provided the flame. Boom....
Sorry to inform you, but the police themselves say it *was indeed* about black and white. For the blacks, maybe it was about authority, but for those white cops it was bias and authority "over" the black population - their words in this very documentary - they equivalated crime w black.
OK, ok, I have to eat (part) of my hat~! If you meant for the rioters, it was not about racism....in their minds, you are correct, it was not; it was racism and actions based on racism, on the part of police as documented here, that provoked them. I particularly like the line the man in the white shirt, when responding to the reporter who told them that the Gov't blamed "an organized group" when he said, among other things, in response "How long can you press the feelings [of people]?" People today would do themselves and our struggles w racism to heed the depth of that statement. It is not about color, it is about the color one's feelings take on when oppressed.
real talk
" I didn't join the Police as a racist but whilst I was in the Police, I became one"
Wow
The levels of that statement.
The undertones are still there today.
I am from America. American racists will never ever admit their racism in that manner, Period .
Sadly, Police Culture of those days was very much "You're either with us or you're against us and you DON'T want to be against us, alright?"
Nowadays, thankfully, things have changed. They're not perfect, but they've changed...
Ye that part got me so mad
Although he's wrong find someone who will admit to that.
There was as much unsaid in that comment as said. Later in the documentary, a second policeman said (and I summarise): "If black people are disproportionately the ones committing the muggings, what benefit is there stopping and searching other ethnicities?"
Could this be what made the policeman become a racist?
I left Brixton in the 90s and joined the Army and when i come back years later and had a place in Gresham road little had changed.
Swear some of you were zoned out this entire documentary Jesus christ
I lived up the road on the Cressingham Gardens Estate. This was by far the worst of all the riots. There was another riot in 1985 and 1995 and 2011 along with rest of London.
I didn't know it was there too.
@@beaulieuonnp593 What you talking about Willis. I was also living in Gresham road years later. Behind the police station. I was in Brixton when the riots were going on my brother was in the police station. I had to go and get him out of there during the riots. Your an idiot. You clearly wasnt there.
2011 showed the world what the people can achieve if they come together.
What you talking about Willis? Destruction of their own community?@@mufcmusic8514
I’m a white woman and I was married to a black man in 1981… we were living in North Lincolnshire at that time and the police visited us concerning a fight that my husband had witnessed. When the officer entered our home he remarked ‘Is your hifi unit from the Brixton riots?’. Unbelievable! So rascist! Even after all the riots..😐
And there you have it... says it all!!!
Lol
It's always a white women with black man, never black woman with white man.... true?
It's called a joke
That's fowl, I lived in Lincolnshire as a black kid it was rubbish so I'm not shocked at this.
I lived in Brixton in 1997 on Coldharbour Lane. A lot had changed by then. It was an exciting change from NZ :)
Nonsense. iwas living back there then on Gresham Road after 3 years away in the Army. Nothing had changed.
What's the most sickening of this whole ordeal is the fact people who'd no interest in the reason behind the disturbance took the opportunity to help themselves to something fancy....
Lennie James narrates . Great actor. For those who havnt seen it watch ,Run, British tv 4 part series filmed in the same area. Absolute class. Part 3 as Richard.
Watch The Drama: ruclips.net/video/Ap6SIjq-6kk/видео.html
The irony of thie New Cross road house fire is that there is a large painted billboard advert on the side of a house opposite dated probably from the 40's or 50's that reads, "Brymay safety matches"...
My dads from Brixton and he was there when it happened he lived on the estate Virginia walk
Thomas Andersen Nice one son ur a funny lad
Thomas Andersen Yh I do flex it everywhere I go just telling people about how my dad is from Brixton. Just grew up u muppet it’s cos it’s a vid on the subject u mug
Thomas Andersen And your prolly some woke muppet who has gentrified the area now lol
Thomas Andersen Song and dance I literally left one comment and ur getting pissed r u rlly that sensitive
Thomas Andersen Fucking ell mate have u not got better things to do than try and start agg over a RUclips comment
made my blood boil at times, But thanks for sharing
Whaouh !! I remember the riots in Brixton in 1981 when we were living there as a 9 year old kid with my family !! It was freaking scary as hell ! By end oh Nov 1981 we left! It was really dangerous! 😳
I’m surprised I’m still alive!
Sometimes you look back on events in your life and think 'How the hell did i get through that?
You should have stuck around for the 85 riot although the 81 riot was absolutely brutal.
40:29 I DO NOT KNOW WTF THE COPS WERE DOING BUT IT WAS NOT POLICING, THEY WERE "ATACKING THE CITIZENS"
... CITIZENS WERE IN DEFENCE MODE.
I lived in and around Railton Road up to 1985 unofficially rehabilitating officially vandalised properties. If you were young and white you got the same treatment. Especially if you were involved in all the incredible community stuff that made the place so vibrant and exciting. I was amazed by the resilience of people who tolerated this "military style occupation" for so long without rising to the bait. When the riots finally erupted they felt like a tactical victory for freedom but were a strategic failure for common sense.
So, Tony, please if you don't mind, could you comment on what they said about the high crime rate and the muggings? They did not ask the black people here about this.
It said, the mugging rate was 4 times higher than anywhere else. And the Swamp '81 made mugging fall by half in one week. Is there any truth in this? Manchester's Moss Side was also a high crime area, as was Liverpool's Toxteth and black people never address this...it's always something said by white people, by police...so is there such high crime? If so, why? Why don't law and order seem to be internalised, because poverty doesn't excuse muggings.
Answer this question
The Stockwell strangler
A black man who raped and murdered 11 white old people
Why wasn’t that classed as racist
@@SesameR7sh so what about the Stockwell strangler a black man
Who raped and murdered 11 white old people
Why wasn’t that classed as racist
@@SesameR7sh A good question. Obviously too difficult for Tony to answer.
yeah i was young and white and lived up the road in Tulse Hill in 85 and witnessed both riots and there was NO race card between the youths we all got along. It was the police that was the problem and how they policed Brixton and the surrounding areas. I went to Tulse Hill Boys briefly and then Dunraven. My younger brother was caught up in the riots in 85 we had to get him from Brixton police station 28th Sept. So that evening the height of the riot. Was incredible to see all the cars burning and Brixton Burning like that that night. Not long after Cherry Groce was shot by the Babylon man.
There are a lot of people talking a lot of rubbish, both in the documentary and in these comments.
The one thing that is left out of both is the change that was made in the law to aid the police, which they then abused to victimise anyone they wanted.
It was called the “Suspicion Law”, and meant that police cold stop anyone and search them and all they had to say is that they thought you were acting suspicious. Not that they suspected you of being involved in a crime, just that they thought you were being suspicious.
The statistics at the time were that 90% of stop and search were for IC3 males.
#Lived in Brixton then, still do.
This wasn't left out, watch again and see people complaining about it.
Stop and search is covered in depth. Watch again.
Also lots of Irish kids working in London living in Kilburn where getting the same trouble as black kids so score’s went down to Brixton. Many had rioted in Derry and new how it worked, they made the most effective petrol bombs they had a chemical in them that meant you don’t have to light them they exploded on impact .
Watch Babylon man filmed in 1980. The writing was already on the wall.
jimmy saville's friend, Maggie Snatcher's Britain. 🤮
Great documentary!
At the beginning of the film there was acknowledged that there was a massive problem in the area with street robberies by the black community. And a robust solution was used. Which did work. Put aside the behaviour of some officers. In principle the method was the right one .. but one that police will never be confident to use again . Regardless of its success. Which is a poor shame.
Remember this well i was 20yrs old and working in a Brockley petrol station , remember all the youth coming in jarring about it, a historic moment truly xx
Good upload ❤ need to rise again❤
How can people be proud of destroying their own community.
No ones proud lol, outsider looking in
@Socio Pathetic sure the spoils of colonialism are paying for it, and plus England owes the world with their history of thieving, rape and destruction worldwide
Thuggery. Pure and simple. Anyone can be a hard man in a crowd.
I am from Norway. And I went to Brixton because I love Hijack. I am very tall.. 187 cm and VERY blond. Everone said .. VELCOME!!! The locals did ask why. And I told them because of music. Never felt more safe in my life
Business interests imported tens of thousands of poor Blacks from Jamaica to work industrial jobs that disappeared in the 1970s and the result was the second generation grew up in a recession, with no prospect for future industrial work and no love for the nation that gave their parents the opportunity to prosper. This is exactly what happened in the United States WRT Mexico and continues to this day. The US is importing hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to work jobs that no longer exist.
Affected young+Middle age white people also late 70s-mid 80s were dark times my uncle had teeth knocked out by plod during the miners strike plus his fellow picketers being severely beaten by a vengeful malicious police force(how things were)
I don’t understand how the people in this film are so proud of what they did.
@mbproject21 why does one have to mean the other? The cops were despicable. But I agree with that comment. Their pride in stealing, looting, burning their own community... it's unbelievable. That's not political protest, that's just mindless selfish violence. Do you think the police have never used violence against working class people ? ...how about the 1930s and the terrible poverty? People Hunger Marched, they did something historic, not set fire to their own streets and go looting.
mbproject21 was most likely guilty of something else regardless... they always are
@mbproject21 yep.🤫🤫🤫
@@SesameR7sh and yet it resulted in effective change
Humans love violence, they always have. They are proud because they felt like they made a change. Weather ot not it was good is up to you. If I was being racially targeted, then I would feel just as pissed off as them.
The ladies talking at 1.35. Brixton was not a great place to live. I was there . I lived there im white. Tulse hill boys. Black or White. Trust me Brixton was rough in 1981. It was not a nice place to live.
It's so incredibly refreshing to hear honesty from a cop.
"We just targeted whoever we wanted to"
"Blackness equated with criminality"
This is EXACTLY what is happening in the US. It is simply racism.
Here too
Yes, but they were using methods that were acceptable, at the time & they had alot more discretionary power in their hands too.
Nothing was written down, like after The PACE Act 1984.
It was considered normal to do that back then, not to every black person (As officers did chat to older black men) but certainly towards younger people.
Breaking the law shouldn't mean a death sentence also Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
@@ace-anarchy9324 Breonna taylor wasn't sleeping, that's propaganda.
Great documentary. Ironic this is happening almost 40 years later in the USA!
Summer 2020 riots, due to George Floyd.
2020...something is brewing again.
One of them guys looks like skrapz could be his pops
Same thing still happening now!
The smirk on Blacker Dreads face speaks for itself.
Came here from the happy hour podcast. Didnt know peter was gonna show up lmao
what's this documentary called
Battle for Brixton
Babylon?
13:27
GOOSEBUMPS. That's power. That's dignity.
Very good documentary, looks like it was made mid 90's???
Dem Bruvs be bangin it fam,
I lived in Brixton and I am a Brixton boy...it wasn't about race or the police or the vanilla boys it was about immigration, politics,culturall historical values basically. We humans are still stupid and primitive maybe in a thousand years we might change...sad but true.
Yep same read my comments,
yeah man the babylon and ting yah nah rah man. shooting Cherry Groce didnt help either in 85?
The IRA that day were like ''Aww they're having a domestic, let's leave them all alone in London for today.''
idiot. you know nothing about Belfast and the Troubles. Wanker.
@@CARLIN4737 Love you too, have a nice day. 😘
@@CARLIN4737 The IRA stuck it to the British their just in their feelings 😂
@@geronimopratt7702 he's clearly an IRA/ Brighton & Hove Albion supporter. Who would have thought it.. 😅
First broadcasted in 2006.
mayena 2004*
*PLEASE NOTE: **50:57** MIN:* Above the fold of the top lay newspaper, Sunday Times, the *other* fully capped headline "Lord Denning: My Early Life And Struggles..." ~ Now if that is not a great irony on display, nothing could ever be. I imagine one such early struggle might be what to wear to breakfast when houseguests are present, ha ha. Of course, I don't know, maybe he had mental health issues, and I will look into it, but one has to wonder in 2021 if any one took notice of the irony, on that same day they read the headlines~!
Looks bad 😞 on brixton.should do demos..
1000 police stop and search in a week in Brixton. look no further than the cause.
Y was this Peter bleksley in the force from 1978 2 1982 was he one of the officers who gt kicked out of the force for inappropriate behaviour racism because that's a very short service in the police. Hmm makes me wonder why🤔 n this officer Roger fuller
Hes quite famous now as it happens telling his own story. I'm here went on to be an under cover cop. Search his name and his many podcast appearances will show
I never understand people who take the stance of 'the police should've just withdrawn and left'. Well, no. There are buildings burning, people getting hurt, robberies, assaults. If they're not going to police that then what's the point? The police's main role is to preserve life and property. Regardless of what led up to it, the police running away because the criminals are getting too violent is never going to be a good strategy and will only end up hurting innocent people caught up in it.
Because the bame community only want Whites being arrested, they want to be allowed to do what they want, they call it getting equality
Do anything and they're like white man ah racist
@@LunaRose1312 And no one says that, there were white people rioting too.
Nordic Nightmare You clearly are racist though
In a way the police probably wished they could just walk away. Let them burn themselves to the ground. But the police have a duty to those shop keepers and residents whose lives were being ruined
I was their as I was only 8 years old when this happend in 1981 and I remember it like yesterday..the noise and sound of breaking glass is something imbedded in my mind, I was born and bred on mayall Road (frontline)and lived there for 24 years.. 40 years on these events of 81 and 85 still haunt me but at the same time it definitely defined me as man of colour.. since the Lord scarman and mcpherson reports nothing has changed Boris is the undercover version of Margaret thatcher
How bad was the '85? Did that one from September 1985 go along Railton Road?
I lived in Mayall road for nearly 30 years and witnessed all the riots that still haunts me today.
All the jamaican families in the 80s literally just wanted to listen to music and dance, its a shame that they were harrassed
Reading many of the comments below I despair.
@san potkins *You're
We should be teaching our kids about this important social history and how it relates to the more recent riots and the horror of Grenfield. Lessons and reality checks for all of us.
Do you mean Grenfell Tower? How does it relate to the Brixton riots? Im glad your not teaching modern history. You and your moronic 6 followers clearly know Nothing about History...Jesus you couldnt even spell Grenfell Right?
You can only police through consent. USA should hear this
Y. by7
@@CoryPchajek I love the wire. It is a great example of how police actions and inactions effect communities and the cities they live in
56:32 min: OMG~!! Junior Soprano~!~ ah~! ~ looking in all his innocent ol' self walking away from the car bomb and chaos~!
04:25
Also relevant..Handsworth Riots, Birmingham.
1985. just as bad as the Brixton riot.
What would have prevented this? (serious)
The liberalised gentrification and poor cleansing of the area which has now actually happened with the poor forced out and Hoxton hipsters moving in?
its all sick, stop you anger!!if your children behave badly you should correct them, correct your selves, grow up !!!!!!
??? What are you talking about?? People killed children... which children are YOU talking about? Are you addressing the parents of the murderers? Or?
Grow up?😂 so you support murder?
... 27:43 AGREE.
That's what the police were like towards afro carribean n Indian people dem days. N them whàn put up drama like da mangrove 9 N dem ting pon bbci player
11:55
Did the fight that your husband witnessed, happen in North Lincolnshire or in Brixton, London?
Swamped now. Liverpool's like Bham now.
Gonna go walk through electric avenue
Then me take you higher......oh no?
22:15 min: This Parish Priest's wife is about as happy sitting there as a camera fill as she'd be in a pagan ritual.
This happens in Sweden now
Can a police force really be a police force without every officer armed ?? I acknowledge the tremendous/ proud history of the metropolitan police but, gee....
I know John Brixton,still he is Brixton.
How were the black peoples outside of Brixton treated during this period?
(Serious)
Riots took place all over the country. Toxteth, liverpool. Bristol, manchester. Birmingham etc plus many other areas of London, Tottenham etc......For the same reason....
I was in Britain in 2017 and the division between races is deep.
Where in England were you? And which races you referring to?
yep make you right fella for questioning that? black,white,asian brothers,arabs,turks have never had a problem. The only problem was the police and how they policed the area under PACE, Stop and search.
@@SexyGuv77
“Ants to Honey”…They are robbing their own town.
So in Brixton in 1981, why were there TWICE as many street muggings than any other part of London?
anyone with half a braincell in their head, not living in fantasy-land, knows the answer to this question, lol.
@@DardyGamer exactly
@@DardyGamerwhat the answer
You reap what you sow _mr._ policeman
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yeah babylon and ting yah no respect. Aswad, yeah man.
So it was a high crime area; a place where people were making money from selling dope; alcohol was sold and consumed unlawfully; and there was unlawful gaming taking place. That's the activities that are admitted in this video. Who knows what else locals were getting up to.The examples of unlawful activities are those given by black people in the video. Seems, though, that none of this was the business of the police.
Buk buk buk. Them Jamaicans were getting it in
Criminals
Was geht ab Q2 Gj
Hahaha
Hahahaah yesss
“The mainland”....lol
Savages!
YES I AGREE. THE POLICE SAVAGES & MURDERS, CRIMINALS.
@@stephenkelly7397 Muppet!
@@London1064Like your Like.
The commander was responsible for this whole mess. My dad was at the forefront of these riots, we lived in tulse hill at the time. My dad had a metal plate in his head due to injuries sustained by police officers. He was later imprisoned in Brixton prison for ‘assaulting a police officer’ (with a crushed skull 🤦🏽♀️) ..... years down the line he was part of the wind rush scandal and was deported to a country he left when he was 12 yrs old, he disappeared 4 months after arriving in his ‘homeland’ ..... 4 years later his body was found very badly decomposed. My dad died in a country that he no longer called home, he was british by heart and he died alone 😢.... all because of the colour of his skin 😭😢
carla francesca Sorry for ur loss love that’s horrible
Plod got what they deserved, I was just a sixteen year old white boy at the time living in Surrey, we had no sympathy for old bill up there. Plod will all be retired now, lets hope they're not having the best of times
Blair peach.
Creatures,
"I joined the mele! I joined the mele! haha. It was great I twas all you wanted to beat a police man".
46.39, and never earned or paid a penny for it!
The problem has never been the black people that came in the 50s and worked hard, it was their kids and grandkids that think the country somehow owes them something. I cant believe the people getting interviewed here are actually proud about rioting. It shows why London is the mess it is now.
Unfortunately it's still going on up to today!!!
excellent post , nail on the head , their offspring didn't want to work and make any effort , expecting things to be their way and every next batch is worse than the last ...which is very worrying , these fake blm riots and thieving and violence sprees and the fact they were being almost endorsed by moronic politicians and celebrities and that the weak willed police response was so pathetic means we'll unfortunately see far worse .
This charade of supposed persecution of black people in modern times and the lefty media bias towards it is mind blowing , its a phantom, a myth.
That's right!
Good old Thatcher, the Devil's spawn.
@John webb Ah the alt right fascists rear their ugly heads again. Tell me how much to you love being a racist homophobe in today's free for all? 10/10? Once can only presume.
@John webb Ah there's that rational right wing logic shining through, Maggie would be proud. Any GCSEs in there at D level? Thought so.
Police brutality existed under Labours tenure too & they did nothing about stopping that, either- so stop blaming her about these problems.
@@MarineAqua45 Not as bad as this it didn't
@John webb Ding dong, the bitch is dead.
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Police=enemy
Rioters:enemy
LFB:neutral bht they the ones who are used and attacked
😅
Living in England you should obey law of land
You ever been to Luton or Bradford?
When our police force was a force !!!Bet there was a few northern Ireland veterans within the police ranks that day if you ask me they made a good situation out of a bad one
Those 2 or 3 West indians moaning the most?Ask them some questions? Question....Are you working?Have you ever worked here?Do you intend to work here?Do you intend to support your children?Why are you here if you dont like it?Why u not go home?Do you intend to start a busineess to help your community,and offspring and promote black culture, and arts..Steel bands...... Reggae and Ska which the white youth love so much....so .. we can all respect each other and live in peace?Have you ever tried?Where does your money come from so you can live so good.Do you respect the law of Land?The answer is easy bro we can get you on the next plane To Kingston Jamaica or if you really wannna bbeee Moscow Russia or Zimbabwe the choice is yours Ok Bruv
Spot on. The fact that a lot of them were dealing drugs and involved in crime has nothing to do with their colour...it's just a fact! If they tried to integrate like the first generation did, maybe things would have been different. Of course there will always be racism..and that's wrong. The police were also wrong many times..but this attitude that "you don't like me cos I'm black" is also an impediment to peace.
Always feel that the young black men think that they are owed something. Put in some proper work, not just working in a trap house. There's fucking jobs everywhere, especially if you want to do adverts. 🤔
So it was against authority was it. Well i never lived in Brixton myself but i had friends who did. I lived in London for 25 years and i never had a rotten word for ANY black person, and it's true most were OK with me, BUT many were also NOT. But if it was just Black people against authority why attack a bleedin fire engine who only wanted to help - i suppose they'd all had too much to drink did they and never knew what they were doing!!!
I proud of the black people GUD DEHHHHH fight the fights for equality !!
fiona beswick SO DO BLACK PEOPLE NOT FEAR ! Ignorant idiot ! Was falsely accusing black people an denying them jobs right . If you treat people bad anomie ( a break down of norms ) will happen . Then they feel a counter society subculture. YOU MARGINALISED US , MADE US FEEL LESS THAN and when we react we are bad and look like animals🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. God bless you ! Haven’t you heard don’t throw stones at a glass house . The police and the white people threw stones and the glass smashed and look at the cause . It made changes significant ones the stop and searches were stopped ! Police and government heard the cry of black people🤣There has been a massive change but there will be . Thanks for your opinion though
fiona beswick and remember we were robbed of the right of jobs even though we were invited and robbed of places to live and robbed of the right to walk down the street without getting prejudice. We were belittled and your concern is about robbing .🤣🤣🤣🤣Boy or Girl BYEEEEEEEES
@@tabsafora3613 I'm not defending the police. And the level of racism was appalling.
What I'm doing is asking any black person, and clearly you were there, to comment on what it said.
It said. The mugging rate was 4 times higher than anywhere else.
Mugging is a cowardly crime, committed by young men mostly, against helpless victims.
So what is the truth? Was there a high rate of mugging ? And if so, fo you believe the level of racism in some way justifies it? If a young man is beaten by the cops, i.s he justified in stealing an old lady's purse, with violence ? Does racism damage people so much they will become the worst kind of criminals ?
@@tabsafora3613 and one thing that cannot be justified is looting from your own community. Look at that girl saying "hey, I've got some jewelry " that's not a political protest against racism. It's just stealing. So you are poor and have no jewelry...neither did I. I grew up poor too. I would never never take what's not mine. Yet those guys are boasting on how much they stole! From Brixton shops!
@@tabsafora3613 my grandparents grew up in desperate poverty. One sister died if diphtheria, another of TB. There was no National health, no welfare...or a pitiful bit. Another two brothers died in the war.
Did my grandparents loot, burn, ... did my grandad say "the working class are treated appallingly.... I'm going to mug an old lady"? No. They voted Labour, joined their unions, changed things for everyone. Do you think working class people didn't face discrimination, limited opportunities, being belittled, police violence ?
I get the feeling the lady on the bench with her friend is lying, alot of mistruths here,
No shes not,i had similar experience in the US,if you dont know for yourself of course its gonna sound outlandish
I wasn't doing anything. Just selling my weed.
@Hippie Chic covid 19 stupid.
@@agnesntumbadiamyama7309 this was 40 years ago....no covid back then
@@thomasandersen6719 I know
Couldnt give a fuck bro. Nobody is making you buy it.
@@Mark-hb9xy yeah.