Horses for courses. In the Vic Highcountry in winter, the old Coleman petrol stove is king... Gas freezes up and you have to constantly tip warm water on them to keep them going. Mine is 20 years old and still going strong.
I called that! You can’t get the reactors right now, and haven’t been able to for a year or better. Something about manufacturing. They are not discontinued, but MSR won’t let just anyone manufacture for them. That’s why they are so reliable.
I have a liquid fuel stove I converted too while motorcycle camping, it allows me to combine fuel sources so that I have spares, not that a litre of diesel will make a difference but if you ran out of gas then it will still be usable
My son gave me a Jetboil he hadn't used in years and it has a piece for the top like the companion brand here which makes it versatile. After replacing the stand which went missing somewhere during a few moves, the Jetboil is a great bit of kit for making my morning coffee while boondocking in my tiny camper.
The MSR Reactor is a fine fuel conserving rapid water boiler, however, the MSR Windburner is more equally matched to the Jetboil. Also the more recent model Windburner allows fitting of assorted pots & pans to cook with expanding its range of use. Thanks for the fun video!
The brand is not companion it is Fire-Maple (of China). Companion may be some local marketing name. I use this Fire-Maple FMS-X2 for over three years and it's great. It's priced between $50-$60.
The best cookers I've tried are the Swedish made Optimus 111T single burner and 55 or 155 dual burner. They burn kerosene, "Coleman fuel" or alcohol with their dedicated jets. Unless you want a lightweight backpacking stove, these are top quality and lasts a lifetime. I may be partial since both the Optimus stoves and myself are Swedish and the kerosene gasifier stove pretty much was developed here. Any quality burner will cook but only the best will last a lifetime.
I did similar comparison with friends and each boiling two cups of water. Amazingly, my alcohol survival burner made from a beer can can do it in 8 minutes. And that was cold water from a tap in a campground. Cost? 5 cents. Height: 1 and 3/4 inch. Hard to beat. I taught my daughter and all the kids in the family how to make one using only a utility knife. Good to take when you are on foot, bicycle or in a bugout bag. Prefers 92% alcohol or better.
It's called camping, getting out and about, what's the rush, sit back and relax! If you want coffee fast, stop at the servo and grab a couple of Ice Breaks before you leave😂
Very interesting, but was it fair. I mean was the gas bottles new, what type of gas (was it a mix) and what temperature was the gas bottle at when stored? But nice comparison👍
You can get a piece of kit that makes the Reactor able to cook with a pan.... It is a bit of crossed titanium that sits on the stove.... Works like a charm. Been using mine for better than a decade.
Oh, yes. The cooking one wastes a huge amount of gas when just boiling water. Takes over 5 minutes in a kettle. If I cook pasta, I boil the water in the boiler, then poor it into the pot. Saves time and gas too.
@@4xoverland People on Amazon say they have tried 3-5 different brands of 220-230g fuel and NON fit and let the lid close.Coleman isnt even close (too wide) FInd one that fits and lets it seal and close up normally?
Please kindly note: Jetboil flash has 2 versions in OZ, which one was yours ? New 2018 up version was not sold in OZ due to no approval. Latest new version is 99.- USD and comes with the additional head for the pot and pan. Cheers coffee mate..
Gents, I really have to say just a couple handful of seconds different in boiling water, and the fact the companion comes with an adapter to cook and fry stuff on at AU100. You can't beat that.
Trangia all the way! Takes a little more time, maybe slightly more fuel (who cares in a truck), but it's totally silent, absolutely bomb proof, no seals, no moving parts, burns cheap alcohol you can get anywhere, or even booze in a pinch.
The MSR has a bigger burner , therefor that larger area is going to heat more the water in a shorter time and probably use more gas . My Jet boil has a handle on the side so it can be used as a cup, it has a coffee plunger , a saucepan, a fry pan . The gas bottle and the cooker fit into the cup and it is light ,packs up small and is easy to carry on the hill
Not a surprising result given the MSR is so highly rated everywhere, however you should have weighed the gas canisters before & after to see which is the more efficient to add another layer of depth to the test. On another note, I hope you weighed that pop up tent to ensure you were under GVM given it was a "fishing trip" & all the (liquid) "fishing gear" you are required to carry 😉
I've used many different boilers in my life. Backpacking/car camping all types of trips over 40 years and the MSR reactor is by far the best water boiler on the market.
amazing as always. was just curious about your thoughts on the quality of the Malamoo instant tent and if its still the same one paul and kate used (if I'm remembering the series right)
While the burner does make a difference for boil time, the major difference cimes from within the water container. Mainly the shape and the materiels and thicknesses involved. A wider base pot with same thickness material will obviously boil water faster because of surface area that comes in cibtact with the flame. Also the alloy in the material will have different heat transfering properties.
Andrew you measured the wrong thing. You should measure how many days does one can of gas last. As a bushwalker, with map and compass, my cans of gas lasted 3 days almost to the minute. So a 9 day walk needs 3 gas cans. Now that I have a Jeep Wrangler, a 9 day drive still needs 3 gas cans. I LOVE MY JEEP!
Same here. My buddy's original Jet Boil will boil 20 oz. of water in 2 minutes. My $10 Chinese stove with the built-in lighter, coupled with the $15 Stanley Adventure kit, boils 20 oz. in 3 minutes. I'm happy.
@@rockymountboy Fair call, I guess for a day or two it makes little difference, but for me I just got 6 days for 2 people out of a 100g canister including 6 simmer meals.
I watched your Video about Sputpansberg and the Pajero, Johan Klopper is funny enough still operating as guide at Kungweni trail near Bronkhorstpruit dam. Not my favourite guy, and on his FB he writes...”if you keep one doing the same things, dont expect a different result” 😂 maybe his doing things differently
Good video but I can’t see the fascination in boiling water as quick as you can. I go camping once or twice a month and have been doing so for the past 25 years, not once have I needed water to boil quickly. I just don’t get it.
Great video. I wonder how they would compare in different conditions, altitudes, temps, wind etc.. However, to be honest, personally I'm just never in that much of a hurry when camping ;)
Id think the jet boil Zip boiling 1 cup of water might match or beat the MSR. Its quicker and more effecient then the model shown in this video. I will have to confirm at a later date and post actual times (be good to know the ambient temp this test was conducted). Id also place a large bet that the jet boil zip would use a lot less fuel also.
The Jetboil can only fit a 100 gram gas canister inside whereas the companion one fits the 230 gram canister. Only $2 more for double the gas capacity.
It only matters in a scientific comparison. This is a just a guide. A bit of fun. Nothing more. 'Your iPhone?' Don't know. Why? I don't use the phone's camera much.
@@4xoverland Thanks, I wasn't hating on your iPhone, you just have a lot of really good tech in your vehicle. It seems kind of paradoxical to me. Incidentally, the new iPhone has an amazing camera.
OMG I couldn't deal with the noise, I'm happy to use a trangia might take another minute to boil but no noise, no dangerous gas cylinders in the car, and it's stable enough to put a wok on
What?! The cheapest one was $100ish and the most expensive $280, someone is having a laugh surely? None of them are worth anything close to that amount. The MSR Reactor costs as much as a Travel Buddy but where is the value in it? Shocking over-pricing. I think I will stick with a kettle on top of the gas cooker and wait a few minutes longer. What is the hurry anyway? I am mostly out there to enjoy a slower pace.
I've used the Jetboil and the MSR Reactor stoves (and about 15 other brands and models) for years in all conditions (I bought the Reactor the first year it came out and still use the original one). The Reactor is superior to all canister stoves at melting snow and/or boiling water in all conditions. The closest the Jetboil will ever get to the performance of the Reactor is in warm, calm conditions, like the conditions in this video. If the wind picks up or the temperature drops, the Reactor's superiority becomes even more obvious. For example, on a cool morning with a 10mph breeze blowing directly on the stoves, the Jetboil will not boil and the Reactors boil time will only go up by about 10 seconds. The Reactor will boil no matter how hard the wind blows. The Reactor has become very expensive in the last 5 years because there are only a couple factories worldwide that make some key parts of the stove and the stoves are very expensive to make. Still the best you can buy for boiling water. Too hot to simmer with, though.
I would like to state that the MSR reactor does not boil water hotter at the same atmospheric conditions than the other two. It just is not possible without pressurising the water in the can on top of the "fire". Yet the can coming with the MSR Reactor is better insulated than your compared devices, thus it boiled faster and keept the heat energy longer and thus made you feel as it would have been hoter just by the other two becoming cooler in the time between extincting the fires and preparing the coffee itself.
Things can vary a bit depending on where you are though. They're at sea level and it may be a bit windy which may obviously makes things less effective or at least cool things down a bit. At sea level water boils at 100 °C (212 °F) but at high altitudes it actually boils at a lower temperature due to lower atmospheric pressure. For every 150 m (~500 ft) the boiling point is lowered by approximately 0.5 °C. Here's a couple of examples from Wikipedia: 2,000 ft (610 m) 208.4°F (98°C) 6,000 ft (1829 m) 201.1°F (94°C) 15,000 ft (4572 m) 184.1°F (84.5°C) So if you happen to live at relatively high altitude it's actually quite a difference so it should obviously be quite a bit faster. It's also something to keep in mind if you're boiling water to purify it. If we imagine a scenario where you have some bacteria that's killed at 95 °C then obviously it won't be enough to simply get water to boil at high altitudes since it'll start boiling before you've reached the required temperature. It's one of those things that people don't really think about although it affects so many people every single day. We just always think of water boiling at 100 °C (212 °F) but for a lot of people that simply isn't the case in their kitchen. :P
Something's seriously strange if it's 90 secs no matter where you're using it. That simply doesn't sound right considering the fact that water boils at different temperatures at different altitudes. Is the desert still roughly at sea level? If so that explains it. If it takes the same amount of time to get water to 90°C and to get it to 100°C something weird is going on with your gear. Hehe Obviously it should be quicker to get water to 90°C than to get it to 100°C. It'd be interesting if you folks could try it out at altitude, it should be quicker than at sea level after all. If it's still always 90 secs something weird is going on, almost like they added a "hard limit" on the cooker. :P
In previous test using the SAME gas canister results were about the same other than that the Jetboil was far more efficient lasting more than 30 minutes longer. If there is a choice between running out of gas or waiting a few more seconds...i know which one i would choose.
Whilst I'm a fan of science & what has been said is definitely verifiable with regards the boiling point of water at altitude, it's seriously overthinking a simple operation. Personally I'd say the ambient temperature & starting temperature of the water has more of an effect than altitude, & is far more likely to delay the boil. That said, 90ish seconds sounds about right for a jetboil, however I've never measured it as it's definitely quicker than my other stoves & uses less gas to get there, which is all I really need to know.
Why you guys speed testing water boilers...coffee should be a relaxing drink first thing in the morning hahahahaha. I just use a little BushBaby gas stove to make coffee on and any other gas cooking. Cost 30 AUS$.
As usual cutting edge..... just imagine you tried to boil an egg! that would at least be 1 hour video.... :-) Andy S.W. in a nut shell Greeting from Blighty
@@4xoverland hehe..I was kidding. What is the watch on your wrist now?? And needless to say..awesome, very off the cuff video. I have tried the MSR and JetBoil and prefer the MSR. Keep up the good work!!
I just watched a guy on the other side of the world boil water. I need to get a life.
Boiling water is pretty important! I just made coffee!
Me too!
Did you notice the water didn't fall out, even though we live upside down.
Even worse, you watched a guy boil water as his house burned down.
@@maxcole1961 I always hold my laptop upside down when I watch ASPW to compensate and add perspective.
Worst case ..... 2 minutes, 39 Seconds
If you can't wait that long for coffee you've got a real caffeine issue. : )
It's more to do with fuel efficiency... not so much for these guys... but for me on my bicycle??? No comparison!!!
The Companion Brand / Fire-Maple FMS-X2 is half the price and almost the same speed as JetBoil, wins by far.
Very enjoyable watching you boil water. Hence forth...the saying watching a kettle boil or water boil as a boring negative, shall be abolished!
I don't know why, but I'm giving this video a thumbs up...
Horses for courses. In the Vic Highcountry in winter, the old Coleman petrol stove is king... Gas freezes up and you have to constantly tip warm water on them to keep them going. Mine is 20 years old and still going strong.
I called that! You can’t get the reactors right now, and haven’t been able to for a year or better. Something about manufacturing. They are not discontinued, but MSR won’t let just anyone manufacture for them. That’s why they are so reliable.
I have a liquid fuel stove I converted too while motorcycle camping, it allows me to combine fuel sources so that I have spares, not that a litre of diesel will make a difference but if you ran out of gas then it will still be usable
My son gave me a Jetboil he hadn't used in years and it has a piece for the top like the companion brand here which makes it versatile. After replacing the stand which went missing somewhere during a few moves, the Jetboil is a great bit of kit for making my morning coffee while boondocking in my tiny camper.
As usual, the "HOTTEST" overland content online.
I love my Fire Maple. Have no complaints over the last two years of use. Good review. 😁
Just got mine for $50 on amazon right now. Orange one.
There isn't a better way to check for boil w/o removing lid and letting out heat?
How can there be? What is the use of boiling water in a closed container?
Hah a fun video from comparing brands. Well thank you.😁👍
Oh my God, I literally cracked up at the end. She’s looking for a fire extinguisher! Oh you guys are the best. Many thanks from Santa Fe NM.
😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏
No doubt they are great but I'll never be able to justify spending that much just to boil a bit of water. Loved the ending Andrew 😂😂😂
The MSR Reactor is a fine fuel conserving rapid water boiler, however, the MSR Windburner is more equally matched to the Jetboil. Also the more recent model Windburner allows fitting of assorted pots & pans to cook with expanding its range of use. Thanks for the fun video!
Best 4X Video I've seen yet!
What does it matter how long it takes you are on holiday or do you have to go back to work ?????
i just noticed, congratulations on 200,000 subscribers andrew
“Fire extinguisher...” 🤣
Great video! Can i please ask if you are able to fit 2 boil in the bag meals in any of them? Or would have to do one at a time for all?
Love it Andrew, great water boiling test but the fire extinguisher bit had me laughing my head off didn’t see it coming 😂😂👍
The brand is not companion it is Fire-Maple (of China). Companion may be some local marketing name. I use this Fire-Maple FMS-X2 for over three years and it's great. It's priced between $50-$60.
The best cookers I've tried are the Swedish made Optimus 111T single burner and 55 or 155 dual burner. They burn kerosene, "Coleman fuel" or alcohol with their dedicated jets.
Unless you want a lightweight backpacking stove, these are top quality and lasts a lifetime.
I may be partial since both the Optimus stoves and myself are Swedish and the kerosene gasifier stove pretty much was developed here.
Any quality burner will cook but only the best will last a lifetime.
I did similar comparison with friends and each boiling two cups of water. Amazingly, my alcohol survival burner made from a beer can can do it in 8 minutes. And that was cold water from a tap in a campground. Cost? 5 cents. Height: 1 and 3/4 inch. Hard to beat. I taught my daughter and all the kids in the family how to make one using only a utility knife. Good to take when you are on foot, bicycle or in a bugout bag. Prefers 92% alcohol or better.
It's called camping, getting out and about, what's the rush, sit back and relax! If you want coffee fast, stop at the servo and grab a couple of Ice Breaks before you leave😂
Thanks! 👌🏻 Companion looks like value for sure!
Loved the fire extinguisher bit. Great job Andrew.
Very interesting, but was it fair. I mean was the gas bottles new, what type of gas (was it a mix) and what temperature was the gas bottle at when stored? But nice comparison👍
Would have been fairer if the water was put onto the two as soon as they were lit.
Great vid as usual. I just bought a Soto Windmaster, so it'll interesting to see how it compares.
Congrats on 200K subscriber. Love from Nepal.🇳🇵
You can get a piece of kit that makes the Reactor able to cook with a pan.... It is a bit of crossed titanium that sits on the stove.... Works like a charm. Been using mine for better than a decade.
Love the last few lines!
On a more serious note do you actually carry two burners? One for water and one for cooking?
Oh, yes. The cooking one wastes a huge amount of gas when just boiling water. Takes over 5 minutes in a kettle. If I cook pasta, I boil the water in the boiler, then poor it into the pot. Saves time and gas too.
4xoverland Thanks for the response.
@@4xoverland Outside of speed..how about quality?
@@4xoverland People on Amazon say they have tried 3-5 different brands of 220-230g fuel and NON fit and let the lid close.Coleman isnt even close (too wide)
FInd one that fits and lets it seal and close up normally?
The next step is to weigh how much gas it uses to boil......?
I bet MSR burned the most (especially for pre heating)
I drive a petrol v8 patrol. I am only interested in launch to finish line results. Fuel consumption is irrelevant. LOL!
A midsized canister is supposed to boil at least 22 litres, so it's quite efficient.
very nice.
Efficiency/amount of gas used?
"Talk among yourselves". That made me laugh.
Please kindly note: Jetboil flash has 2 versions in OZ, which one was yours ? New 2018 up version was not sold in OZ due to no approval. Latest new version is 99.- USD and comes with the additional head for the pot and pan. Cheers coffee mate..
Unusual to see you without your Rolex on your wrist Andrew!
I feel naked. 39 years. It needed a service.
There's something reassuring about the weight of a Rolex on your wrist, nothing else feels the same.
Now switch fuels and try it again. 😂 next up, let's see who's paint will dry the fastest. 😂
Gents, I really have to say just a couple handful of seconds different in boiling water, and the fact the companion comes with an adapter to cook and fry stuff on at AU100. You can't beat that.
Trangia all the way! Takes a little more time, maybe slightly more fuel (who cares in a truck), but it's totally silent, absolutely bomb proof, no seals, no moving parts, burns cheap alcohol you can get anywhere, or even booze in a pinch.
The MSR has a bigger burner , therefor that larger area is going to heat more the water in a shorter time and probably use more gas . My Jet boil has a handle on the side so it can be used as a cup, it has a coffee plunger , a saucepan, a fry pan . The gas bottle and the cooker fit into the cup and it is light ,packs up small and is easy to carry on the hill
Superbe ! Et toujours aussi drôle ! Merci pour le partage 😁
Good Morning Andrew, I know they boil water fast, but I am sure the coffee taste better if you boil the water on a nice bushfire in the African bush.
Made me chuckle after a long day! :-)
Not a surprising result given the MSR is so highly rated everywhere, however you should have weighed the gas canisters before & after to see which is the more efficient to add another layer of depth to the test.
On another note, I hope you weighed that pop up tent to ensure you were under GVM given it was a "fishing trip" & all the (liquid) "fishing gear" you are required to carry 😉
Did all three use the same type of fuel?
Did I really just watch water boil for 8minutes. Oh well compelling stuff👍
Next week we're sorting laundry! Join us for that.
@@4xoverland can't wait 🙂👍🤣
I've used many different boilers in my life. Backpacking/car camping all types of trips over 40 years and the MSR reactor is by far the best water boiler on the market.
amazing as always. was just curious about your thoughts on the quality of the Malamoo instant tent and if its still the same one paul and kate used (if I'm remembering the series right)
While the burner does make a difference for boil time, the major difference cimes from within the water container. Mainly the shape and the materiels and thicknesses involved. A wider base pot with same thickness material will obviously boil water faster because of surface area that comes in cibtact with the flame. Also the alloy in the material will have different heat transfering properties.
Andrew you measured the wrong thing. You should measure how many days does one can of gas last. As a bushwalker, with map and compass, my cans of gas lasted 3 days almost to the minute. So a 9 day walk needs 3 gas cans. Now that I have a Jeep Wrangler, a 9 day drive still needs 3 gas cans. I LOVE MY JEEP!
Made my day with the last line 😁 on the other hand, we overland to relax and enjoy so what's the rush 😂 Hey 3 min would be OK too
For hiking it is very mportant how much gas you use to boil. Not just speed.
The preheated stove will transfer from the already hot metal.
Hey, where is your watch?
I had a $10 one I have been using for 5 years.
Same here. My buddy's original Jet Boil will boil 20 oz. of water in 2 minutes. My $10 Chinese stove with the built-in lighter, coupled with the $15 Stanley Adventure kit, boils 20 oz. in 3 minutes. I'm happy.
@@rockymountboy I bet the jetboil used like 40% of the gas though.
@@procrastinator1842 I would concede that the JetBoil used less, but I wouldn't go that far.
@@rockymountboy Fair call, I guess for a day or two it makes little difference, but for me I just got 6 days for 2 people out of a 100g canister including 6 simmer meals.
Funniest episode yet. Great job. But WHERE is the WATCH?
Where's the Submariner?
Are you used to driving such a lighter 70 series does it feel weird or used to it all ready ?
You down at Tim’s Thickett mate ?
The Jetboil also came with an attachment for using pots and pans. Just to put it out there.
Last bit cracked me up. Andrew is being infected by Aussie humour, great to see.
Andrew, what make is the yellow box? Is it from RSA?
Pioneer Autograph box from Pioneer Plastics in RSA
@@4xoverland Ahh Thanks. I will look them up. Didnt you have design inputs into this?
@@seantowlson7051 yes.
"Fire extinguisher.......".... sheepish look.... great stuff!
I watched your Video about Sputpansberg and the Pajero, Johan Klopper is funny enough still operating as guide at Kungweni trail near Bronkhorstpruit dam. Not my favourite guy, and on his FB he writes...”if you keep one doing the same things, dont expect a different result” 😂 maybe his doing things differently
So good. Love the ending 😂
Andrew, where are you seeing the MSR Reactor for $280? They retail for over $400 everywhere I look.
Andrew bought his over 10 years ago
Good video but I can’t see the fascination in boiling water as quick as you can. I go camping once or twice a month and have been doing so for the past 25 years, not once have I needed water to boil quickly. I just don’t get it.
The speed doesn't necessarily matter but the faster it boils, the less gas or fuel you need to carry.
Bwahahaha 👍 Almost as good as your “Ive named it: THE SUN!” 🤣
80 Series!Thee bestest
Jeep Australia is doing demonstrations. It would be awesome if Alu Cab created a roof conversion the length of the Gladiator.
Great video. I wonder how they would compare in different conditions, altitudes, temps, wind etc..
However, to be honest, personally I'm just never in that much of a hurry when camping ;)
Wow riveting stuff 😂
😁 Hi Andrew, no Rolex at this video? Nice to see the beach again in Mandurah, done my first 4 wheel driving there.
What chronograph is that you are wearing?
It's a very ordinary thing that tells the time. Its no chronograph. My chronograph is having a service. 39 years, it needed one.
It's that I noticed two pushers on either side of the crown that led me to assume it was a chrono. I Love your videos mate. Cheers from Miami Fl.
Fanny as mate keep it up Nice vid
But you don't use 100c degree water for Coffee ...
Does the size of the bottle impact the result?
no. Pressure is pressure.
what watch this time Andrew?
Id think the jet boil Zip boiling 1 cup of water might match or beat the MSR. Its quicker and more effecient then the model shown in this video. I will have to confirm at a later date and post actual times (be good to know the ambient temp this test was conducted).
Id also place a large bet that the jet boil zip would use a lot less fuel also.
Priceless expresion upon realizing the coversation with the wife. Im Still laughing mate , tears even. Good flick too. Cheers Ty
The Jetboil can only fit a 100 gram gas canister inside whereas the companion one fits the 230 gram canister. Only $2 more for double the gas capacity.
The size of the tank matters as well. A larger tank of LP cools down at a lower rate thus producing more gas.
By the way, how old is you're IPhone? 1 Camera?
It only matters in a scientific comparison. This is a just a guide. A bit of fun. Nothing more. 'Your iPhone?' Don't know. Why? I don't use the phone's camera much.
@@4xoverland Thanks, I wasn't hating on your iPhone, you just have a lot of really good tech in your vehicle. It seems kind of paradoxical to me. Incidentally, the new iPhone has an amazing camera.
OMG I couldn't deal with the noise, I'm happy to use a trangia might take another minute to boil but no noise, no dangerous gas cylinders in the car, and it's stable enough to put a wok on
That noise was three burners all going flat out.
Great test Aspw. Nothing like a quick brew
What accent did the guy with you have?
'seth effrican'?
Noooooo. He's from the UK. Classic Bristol westcountry accent.
@@4xoverland thx Andrew, I was going to Irish, but as you know there are literally 100's of accents in England alone
has something happened to your submariner?
What?! The cheapest one was $100ish and the most expensive $280, someone is having a laugh surely? None of them are worth anything close to that amount. The MSR Reactor costs as much as a Travel Buddy but where is the value in it? Shocking over-pricing. I think I will stick with a kettle on top of the gas cooker and wait a few minutes longer. What is the hurry anyway? I am mostly out there to enjoy a slower pace.
Good fun Andrew 😊 Missed seeing your Rolex, I hope its OK?
Does water in the southern hemishere boil at a higher temperature than in the northern ? 🤪 🧯 Love it ! 😂
The bubbles go from top to bottom down there
Lekker man!
Talk amongst your selves. 😂
You should take the pre time off or allow them to start from the moment you light them, that would narrow the gap.
I think it would widen the gap. the MSR would be even faster.
4xoverland I do not think the gap would get wider as the MSR need time to warm up, I still think the MSR would win, just be a little closer.
Cheapest unit will do it for me!
I've used the Jetboil and the MSR Reactor stoves (and about 15 other brands and models) for years in all conditions (I bought the Reactor the first year it came out and still use the original one). The Reactor is superior to all canister stoves at melting snow and/or boiling water in all conditions. The closest the Jetboil will ever get to the performance of the Reactor is in warm, calm conditions, like the conditions in this video. If the wind picks up or the temperature drops, the Reactor's superiority becomes even more obvious. For example, on a cool morning with a 10mph breeze blowing directly on the stoves, the Jetboil will not boil and the Reactors boil time will only go up by about 10 seconds. The Reactor will boil no matter how hard the wind blows. The Reactor has become very expensive in the last 5 years because there are only a couple factories worldwide that make some key parts of the stove and the stoves are very expensive to make. Still the best you can buy for boiling water. Too hot to simmer with, though.
I would like to state that the MSR reactor does not boil water hotter at the same atmospheric conditions than the other two. It just is not possible without pressurising the water in the can on top of the "fire".
Yet the can coming with the MSR Reactor is better insulated than your compared devices, thus it boiled faster and keept the heat energy longer and thus made you feel as it would have been hoter just by the other two becoming cooler in the time between extincting the fires and preparing the coffee itself.
Interesting 🤔 I've got the same Jetboil stove and it boils 2 cups of water in 90 seconds. Every time!
Things can vary a bit depending on where you are though. They're at sea level and it may be a bit windy which may obviously makes things less effective or at least cool things down a bit.
At sea level water boils at 100 °C (212 °F) but at high altitudes it actually boils at a lower temperature due to lower atmospheric pressure. For every 150 m (~500 ft) the boiling point is lowered by approximately 0.5 °C.
Here's a couple of examples from Wikipedia:
2,000 ft (610 m) 208.4°F (98°C)
6,000 ft (1829 m) 201.1°F (94°C)
15,000 ft (4572 m) 184.1°F (84.5°C)
So if you happen to live at relatively high altitude it's actually quite a difference so it should obviously be quite a bit faster. It's also something to keep in mind if you're boiling water to purify it. If we imagine a scenario where you have some bacteria that's killed at 95 °C then obviously it won't be enough to simply get water to boil at high altitudes since it'll start boiling before you've reached the required temperature.
It's one of those things that people don't really think about although it affects so many people every single day. We just always think of water boiling at 100 °C (212 °F) but for a lot of people that simply isn't the case in their kitchen. :P
Something's seriously strange if it's 90 secs no matter where you're using it. That simply doesn't sound right considering the fact that water boils at different temperatures at different altitudes. Is the desert still roughly at sea level? If so that explains it.
If it takes the same amount of time to get water to 90°C and to get it to 100°C something weird is going on with your gear. Hehe Obviously it should be quicker to get water to 90°C than to get it to 100°C.
It'd be interesting if you folks could try it out at altitude, it should be quicker than at sea level after all. If it's still always 90 secs something weird is going on, almost like they added a "hard limit" on the cooker. :P
In previous test using the SAME gas canister results were about the same other than that the Jetboil was far more efficient lasting more than 30 minutes longer. If there is a choice between running out of gas or waiting a few more seconds...i know which one i would choose.
Yeah my $30 folding jetboil is much faster. Depends on how high you put the gas flow
Whilst I'm a fan of science & what has been said is definitely verifiable with regards the boiling point of water at altitude, it's seriously overthinking a simple operation. Personally I'd say the ambient temperature & starting temperature of the water has more of an effect than altitude, & is far more likely to delay the boil. That said, 90ish seconds sounds about right for a jetboil, however I've never measured it as it's definitely quicker than my other stoves & uses less gas to get there, which is all I really need to know.
Why you guys speed testing water boilers...coffee should be a relaxing drink first thing in the morning hahahahaha. I just use a little BushBaby gas stove to make coffee on and any other gas cooking. Cost 30 AUS$.
As usual cutting edge..... just imagine you tried to boil an egg! that would at least be 1 hour video.... :-) Andy S.W. in a nut shell
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@4XOverland Changed the watch away from the Submariner have we?? 🤔
You must be kidding me. 39 years. It needs a service. I'll have it back in 2 months.
@@4xoverland hehe..I was kidding. What is the watch on your wrist now??
And needless to say..awesome, very off the cuff video. I have tried the MSR and JetBoil and prefer the MSR. Keep up the good work!!
"unscripted"... just brilliant