THIS is holding back Mac gaming and Apple needs to fix it!
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Quick video about why the Mac App Store sucks and is holding back Mac gaming. Apple needs to look at competitors like Steam and Xbox and fix this otherwise Mac gaming is going to be held back despite the fact that we have some amazing Mac ports of games.
Timestamps:
00:00 Mac App Store sucks
01:06 Big game size storage isues
02:31 External drives
02:50 Speed and download issues
04:47 Other missing features
05:13 Bad design
06:34 Delisting Mac games
07:35 iPhone and iPad games not on Mac
08:12 Prices and sales
09:20 Games are inconsistent
10:14 How to fix the Mac App Store
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There should be a direct pipeline between your ideas and Apple circle building in the USA... they need to listen to that guy
I have one
Unfortunately that will never happened and as long as you idiots buy and support Mac’s, never will. Nobody learned from the issues with macOS and its policies since 2010 back when they were listening and don’t give a shit now?
Lmao
No custom M.2 extra, purchase with built-in $999999999999999999999999999999 M.2, thanks
Imagine how much better mac gaming would be if Apple hired Andrew as head of the gaming department or something
Loool
Imagine how much more profitable mac gaming would be if Apple hosted the entire library of modern mac games exclusively on the app store or something
@@matthewkruse1123pain
Split up the app and game store. Great take!, I've been saying this for years :)
I concur. It should be like on the AppleTV with regard to the Apple Arcade. The Arcade store has a separate app on tvOS.
Double dipping is also a huge problem. There´s a lot of folks out there with a desktop gaming PCs and say an iPad or Macbook Air. Had this been on Steam or GoG, you could easily just install the port with your account. But this forces you to buy it twice, which I really don't fancy doing.
At least, in Europe, we should be able to see games for Mac in Steam.
I get that, but at the same time, if developers are going to the effort to port their game to Apple silicon natively I am more then willing to honor that and pay for that/buy the ported game
Sure. Honor the port. But not pay full price again. That is not how it works. Maybe 10-20 bucks at best.@@mctobi2921
Fair comment, and I am with you to a point, but... Apple has deep enough pockets to subsidise the devs in porting to get the Mac off the ground as a legitimate gaming platform. Of course the incentive to do so is to cream a percentage off the game purchase by selling through the App Store. I can still be on board with that, but I am not going to buy a Mac license for a game I already have for PC unless I can cross save progress between the two, and Game Center doesn't allow that
@@mctobi2921 me too, I will rebut without isse on Mac App Store! Support devs!
By clicking on the app in the Launchpad you can pause the download
Glad to see I’m not the only one who knows about this on here.
My main concern is what you mentioned in the middle of the video, which is anything you buy now will be unplayable next time Apple changes something on their OS or hardware. The games I bought on Steam in 2006 still work today, even on a new device like Steam Deck. I bought COD 4, which you highlighted, and other games during that era like Rome Total War and Prey. One other thing you didn’t mention is the habit some publishers have of simply not maintaining or fixing issues. Aspyr and Feral Interactive used to be the main shops porting games to Mac, but they rarely pitched issues or kept the games up to date when drivers or APIs changed. Tomb Raider was a rare exception that got a Metal release.
We are a familly of 4, I am probably going to leave the Apple ecosystem when we swap our phone. We have 10 Apple devices in the house, and so many things we have to buy multiple times.
apple new era anti consumer anti developer..that's it no cross platform hardware planned oboslence hardware forget game on Mac
You forgot to mention that even the smallest update requires a FULL new download!
I'm not convinced Apple wants to fix any of this. They've always had this weird resentment for gaming, and they sure as hell love being able to create these arbitrary restrictions.
Not even sure Apple would be bothering with GPTK and all that if they weren't being forced to by the nature of the high-end consumer market.
There was a moment when Apple almost got serious about gaming, that's when Steve Jobs introduced Halo to the world. When Bungie was bought by Microsoft right after, Apple should have double its effort instead of cowering. The Gaming Industry is worth than film and TV production, but according to Apple, Apple TV+ deserves more attention than Apple Arcade, however they should know where the trend is already headed.
@@4CPTeesThe thing is, Apple is already massively successful in gaming. They are making more revenue from game sales than Microsoft. We are talking mobile games of course. It just appears that they see no strong need to optimize their ecosystem for traditional large PC titles because the business is doing fine as is, and the revenue opportunity for Apple in that market segment is smaller anyway. They’ll never dominate the PC gaming market in the way they dominate mobile gaming.
@@boshi9 Yeah mobile gaming generates more money for sure but console/pc games still generate a ton of money and it’s money that apple is just leaving on the table by not having a platform that developers want to develop there game for
The video was very well put together Andrew! good job!
Thanks for the video Andy as always very insightful. PS love that polo shirt. beautiful color.
This is one of the reasons why I don’t think gaming on Mac is ever going to really succeed because apple has zero idea what they are doing. They kinda act like they want to make gaming on Mac a real thing but they do the absolute bare minimum to help developers make that a reality
Oh they know exactly what they are doing, but dealing with crooks like Microsoft means they have to be very careful not to give away the store, as it were.
This video should go straight to the Mac app store manager/vp/whoever in charge.
Have to be crazy to buy anything from the Mac App Store if you can get it elsewhere, especially Steam, where you pay the same price and get access to every OS version of the game.
You don’t get the iOS version of the game on Steam though.
@@boshi9 because its locked down the way Apple wishes they could do on Macs... but iOS is a money making game platform for trash little games with tons of microtransactions and stuff, its not something for gamers, so I don't really care.
Remember to make sure you have disk space on your main drive for games, which can get very big. If you do run out, Command+copy one or more of your folders in Applications to a file Applications on another drive. The OS will see what you are doing and fix up the paths. I use an external RAID array with two 2TB drives using Apple's RAID software included with MacOS for speed.
Word.
Not betting on Apple actually listening though.
Great video! I've been enjoying your work since the start of the pandemic. Do you plan to talk about gaming on the Vision Pro? Also are you looking for a script writer?
Hmmm, thought there was a reply.
Great vid. Keep on it! Took me three days to download resident evil village cuz it kept breaking off
Apple used to do a “separate store” for games in the game center app starting from iOS 5 until it got removed some time later
I wanted to buy Re4 on Mac, but it won't let you download it without x2 the required space, and since i have a 256gb drive, it was not an option for me no matter how much data i deleted
I honestly believe Sony, Steam and Apple needs to work towards a shared platform application as you described, in order to take on Microsoft once and for all.
This happens to XCode from Apple too, so this will not be a priority, for over a decade
Very detailed video and explains the main issues of gaming On a mac. I too have found all these issues to be extremely annoying at first but i been patiently waiting for Ge force now to get better and it definitely is. It’s feeling more and more like a native experience. I also find some really good games on steam that work extremely well on my Mac with settings on high and balance on 1440 resolution but i am staying away from apple store games
What’s the next step for metal? I would like to see a video on that. Any rumours on the development?
Half of what was described actually is up to publisher's strategy and decision. Unfortunately, appstore does not have set of policies and/or rules, which Steam or Windows has. It still provides some comfort like delivering the updates for applications downloaded from appstore, in the background. Oh, you just mentioned that too :)
Apple could revive the, "Apple Games Centre" that was in IOS or MacOS can't remember which, most likely IOS. You must always remember that any digital store front has the option to d-list or remove any digital content off their stores. I have two digital files that have been d-listed from the apple's video store and apple's book store and one can't be downloaded again. Thank goodness for backups and timemachine.
Every single thing said in this video is 100% SPOT ON.
Biggest one is that for an update you need to download everything again
When you plug RJ45 cable via type-c, speed way more faster, I've checked this at launch
this shouldn't make any difference in download speeds unless your wifi access point is ancient.
@@ErnieZee on wired, I downloaded ds game from App Store about 1 hour with my 500Mb/s
My router tp link archer x73
Don't you just love how there's no way to circumvent downloading games to that soldered down SSD with limited write cycles...
I agree with this. I have a base model M1 Air and the #1 thing holding me back from trying AAA games on my mac is the lack of storage space. Although in my case I'd probably use Crossover and other game launchers instead of the mac app store. Do you know how much extra space I would need to try GTA V from the Rockstar Launcher on my Mac?
Please test the gaming performance in apple vision pro!! Especially Honkai star rail which is natively released in vision pro.
Apple gaming strategy is still very rough, but I’m glad we’re seeing progress! It has a ton of potential that needs to be marketed and managed well.
Can we appreciate this guy for making videos. I hope he continues making videos about gaming on a mac. ❤️
A dedicated game store with an unfortunately laughably small game library would feel like a ghost town. They do however need to do a little more pre-game launch planning. Not letting their CDNs to fully populate before actual game launch dates seems to be a repeating theme. I live in the US just outside a major city and have not experienced any of these download speed or install issues, but I know a lot of users have.
I agree with all of your prescribed fixes. They would do a lot with the games already built for an Apple devices.
Another thing that's really terrible about the App Store is that updates/patches essentially require you to re-download the entire piece of software. Resident Evil 4 recently had an update that just said "minor bug fix" but it's nearly 70 GB in size. This model is not feasible for those with slow and/or data-capped Internet connections.
Great video. I always thought that Apple Game Center should have it’s own, Steam like, app loader.
Yes very true. Also, I think they could add a wishlist
I don't think a separate app is needed, Just revamp the games section and make a separate "downloads" tab that wrorks better (pause / resume / currentstate) for both games and normal apps
Completely unrelated to the video but what’s the best Emulator to use for Gameboy/Color/Advance on a M3 Mac?
Hi Andrew! I have an issue that I think only you can fix for me, I've looked everywhere but to no avail. Black Ops 3 on silicon works fine, however when trying to play 'custom zombie maps' from the steam workshops an error pops up when launching the map on the game. Is there any chance you could find a solution to play custom zombie maps on Apple Silicon? Thanks!
Strange, I get the download at the full speed of my ISP, 15MB/s. If you hover over the Launchpad icon on the macOS Dock while the game is downloading it will show you the speed and size. If you go and look at the game in Launchpad you will be able to pause the download and resume it later by clicking it.
7:27 no idea on the mac store but on my old devices like ipad 2, Iphone 5c and Ipad air 1st gen, i can play all the games of the 32 bit era, only the epic games and ea need for speed hot pursuit are retired for future download
How good perform the Death Stranding Steam Version with GPTK?
Download the game and transfer it to the external hard drive. But yeah it sucks you need double space especially if on low hd space.
Can you test Hunt Showdown with Crossover ?
Working great on my 16” M3max 40 gpu.
Why are you misleading, 3DSMAX does not support Mac at all!
Running such complex and professional software through a VM is a joke.
Even if somehow you succeed, the software will hardly work and will be unstable.
@@uribak9144Buy some glasses. Nobody said anything about 3dsmax.
Anybody knows if iracing could be played on silicon chips?
RE4 does support cross devices saves between Mac and iPhone/iPad. RE8 does not.
they should relaunch Game Center or rebrand current Apple Arcade to arcade+ and distribute all games there
i rarely comment. but this video is really good. thanks for enlightening me
Agree!
Exactly! App Store should be the store for apps. Games are not apps, they’re just games.
This fixes Game Store issues, but not gaming on the Mac. For gaming make 12GB RAM the minimum configuration across the board.
24h to instill RE4 ☹️ i only have gb internet connection 🤪 tried to move it to other drive and create a link but then Appstore didn’t find the game anymore
Hi andrew, i know this is not related to gaming or anything, but can you try to see if there is any way to run 3ds max on mac m1, I need it for a 1 year course in college and i really do not want to invest into a windows just for that, you are the only person who i think will do something to make it work
No, the software does not support Apple Silicon, regardless I suggest you purchase a PC for everything related to working on 3D CG, the Mac is lacking compared to a PC.
The App store is a PITA overall : sales are not showing up as they should so you always miss them, the download speed is terrible, it is hiding games you actually bought in the past, it is a pain to use filters to categories and finding things (for example you cannot select only paid games!). I dont understand why Apple doesn't improve this shyt
8:00 the Mac app store lacks the game because the developer does not want to include those game on Mac or making a separate server as well as optimizing it for Macs. probably issues on profit in comparison to the PC platform or steam etc. also the low res texture on iOS games.
I agree on some things but not other things, especially about the Steam layout. I hope while gaming gets better in macOS, these changes will realise.
Andrew. There may be a work-around for having games on an external drive. I made a Carbon Copy Cloner back-up today for other reasons and when your video was playing, I plugged it in and was able to play a game from the back-up drive.
Maybe Valve should release a Steam client (or even SteamOS) on Mac that includes a port of Proton and can run the Windows catalog through Proton+Rosetta 😎 That would not be good for native Mac games, but definitely would wake-up Apple and make Steam more attractive to developers, as bringing their games to it will potentially give them access to the Mac market without much effort of porting.
Most likely the user base is just way too small to even bother with. Because it would cause Valve quite a bit of money. With a very questionable return of investment. Typical chicken-egg problem :)
@@woeye3251 not so sure, Apple sells around 7m Macs per quarter, it’s already probably 3 times the whole Steam Deck install base ! On which they are losing money on as their business model is to sell games at the end.
@@woeye3251 Not sure I agree with you, Apple sells ~7 million Mac's each quarter, over 3 times the total sales of the Steam Deck since it's introduction. Not all Mac users will play games, but consider Valve loses money on the hardware so it can be a good investment to do this port. Will instantly give between 40 and 50 million user base, even if only 10% use it: already twice Steam Deck's user base. The difficulty is the current state of Linux support on Apple Silicon, but it is progressing quickly, probably not before 2 years.
It’s also very nice that, most of the time, Steam does not punish you for having already purchased an item offered in a bundle. You just aren’t charged for the item you already have; the bundle is cheaper for not having to pay for that item, and you still qualify for the bundle discount. If, for example, on the iTunes store, you are considering a movie bundle and you already own one or more of the movies in the bundle, sorry. Tough luck, pal. The bundle price is the bundle price with no discount. You are punished for having bought those items before and you are charged for duplicates.
Could you make a video on the best way to play Xbox game pass on a Mac?
updates are also terrible. what appears to be minor fixes (small changes) requires a FULL INSTALL of the game all over again. That's literally the craziest thing I've ever seen.
You failed to mentioned that most of the games you showed, doesn`t play natively on Mac , and requires Crossover (a subscription base application on mac).
I purchased Death Stranding from day 1 to play on my M1 iPad Pro. It was fine (although it said I had not enough space it dowloaded it anyway), from start, took a while to download but not crazy time. Until I realized AppStore only partially downloaded the game, I could only play the introduction, then I had to wait days for the rest to "install". Haven't played since, it just killed my hype.
my download speed was about 44MB for Death Stranding
but i live in San Diego, CA
I hate that in Mac Mini. Apps like Onedrive I can't put on the external drive. I have a external drive as fast as the internal and I can't do that . Its absurd.
And the fact that I can't change internal drive in case of fail. I did not known that before buy. Memory swap should have a option to use in external drive too.
Your external drive can't be as fast as internal because thunderbolt 3 isn't even capable of transferring at those speeds.
@@ErnieZee OK. but its close mettering with the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test . Is no excuse to have a desktop Mac ...that is a big "Iphone" .
Sure you can, you just have to make a soft link in the Applications folder to the external drive.
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Agree
Is it worth getting a M3 Max Macbook Pro 16 for Gaming and good battery, or go with a Windows Laptop?
Windows laptop.
Gaming laptop, absolutely windows 11 or 10... You will save a buck, and if you want to save more, you can buy a steam deck. Linux it's pretty good for gaming if you don't mind being portable. Or an eog ally your pick. But I don't! Recommend a mac. The only down side, is the battery, but Lenovo have great options
9:20 Resident Evil 4 does support cross-platform progression save. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't but I have played RE4 on my Mac, then moved to the iPhone and it got my saves just fine. You just need to manually use the iCloud upload/download feature in-game to sync it across instead of it being an automatic process (it's just a single button click though).
Either way the App Store has this issue for other apps as well. Even for Xcode (which is smaller than most games), the App Store installation experience absolutely sucks. I think they should just fix it across the board and give normal apps a download manager along with the other improvements.
Cool. But you still need to pay for both of them, right? Would be cool if you just could pay for it once. I’m curious because I already have an iPhone, and I’m thinking of getting a MacBook.
Interesting.. Why do they state otherwise on their product page?
@@boshi9 I don't know why they state that. I think it may be an error? As I said, it worked fine for me. Reading up on it it might have been an early patch that fixed it.
For @Playan, RE4 has cross-entitlement. You only need to buy it once. It's only RE: Village (which came out first) that doesn't support it (meaning you have to buy Mac vs iOS versions separately). At least Capcom is trending in the right direction by moving to universal purchase in RE4.
They should try focusing much more on gaming on macOS if they want more users. It’s already known it’s not for gaming in the gaming sphere. They could easily change that if they updated OpenGL to 4.6 and either support vulkan or help out moltenvk. Stealing some market share could be possible if they teamed up with valve to bring back proton and pay them to be there as the last agreement didn’t seem that good to keep it going. This is a pipe dream for macOS user’s so idk if that will happen. Just dualboot asahi Linux as they want to support vulkan and latest OpenGL on apple silicon. Only thing you’d have to tackle is using microvm, fex-emu, anticheat.
Apple says that one license in the App store works for every Apple device you own. You find this in error?
Putting the Apple Silicon version of the game only on the App Store means that it only targets people that only have a Mac or the latest iPhone. Most people who already game have a catalog on Steam and none of them is going to start buying games on the App Store. I think if Apple wants to make people consider Mac as a gaming platform too, they need to take the L, put the games on Steam, and work with Valve to make the Apple porting tool kit work seamlessly just like Valve did with steam deck.
I personally will never purchase another game from the App Store. Steam is just better than absolutely every way.
The App store sucks. I had to download Death Stranding twice because it hung upon installing and gave me an error without any other option but to restart the whole process at ~30kbs
I’m agree with every point. And I also want to see a new big gaming platform from Apple
I won’t be buying AAA games from the App Store. I’ve already purchased them or I will continue wanting to use them on a dedicated add or possibly portable device. As well as know that I will most likely be able to download them in the future by using a platform like steam. Apple just needs to let steam implement a translation layer much like they did for the steam deck only for macOS. And they can sell more hardware as the side benefit. Using the App Store and not knowing if the game is going to be downloadable in the future is not an option at all.
ios apps work the same, they don't download from the developers apples policy requires anything that's executable be downloaded from the app store. Also I had Counter-Strike on Mac and steam just all the sudden ended support for MAC and its no longer available. Also apples policy is you buy the app once and can use it on all your devices, these developers that are charging twice for different devices are doing so by submitting the same game but as a new app and targeting that new app to only be available for a given platform (mac/ios/ipad)
They need to release the mac version on steam for it to be taken seriously. Won’t even try it until that happens
agree
Have move my games to external SSD after downloading.
This the same for 3rd party Adobe CC, OneDrive/SropBox virtual drive in the ~/Library this is an Apple issue all around eats up most of my drive.
Mac mini M2 Pro 512.
Have to move Photos and iTunes library to external just to keep 200GB free for Adobe and OS scratch.
Try using Apple RAID software with multiple disks for your external, you get faster speeds.
@@tonyburzio4107 Speed not issue. SSD via thunderbolt 3.
Just like some games, my 1TB OneDrive cannot be moved to an external volume due to Apple’s restrictions so cannot keep full contents locally.
Some games and apps refuse to work unless they are in the Applications folder. Internal is 512 GB. Externals are 2TB (thunderbolt) and 1TB (USB C) and 1TB Time Machine (USB A)
Even at the best of times, the lock-in to Apple's ecosystem is a deal breaker and I'm not talking about the walled garden. I bought Stray on Steam when it came out and played it on PC. Now it's released on Mac, I can just downloaded it on Mac via Steam... Obviously Apple's never going to sell Windows/Linux games on the app store. They're playing themselves if they think people wanna pay for things a second time, whichever comes first. The fact is Steam, Epic, EA if it's worth mentioning, plus independent publishers, legacy publishers and self publishers aren't going away. THEY need to be the way you game on Mac, it doesn't matter how well it runs. When they're forced to open up the iPhone/iPad app store to third parties they're going to find out the hard way you can't cheat your way into all things.
2:51 i play since 2017 with friends on Multi Plataform Games like Fornite and Minecraft; i use since that day Macbook pro with intel processor with iris intel gps; its playable bit a nightmare without bootcamp or parallels windows; i enjoy the arcade version of games with my xbox controller even conected to a tv; but the Mac Store its like de microsoft store it fails a lot; since 2016 steam doesn’t works with the native intel mac os; the ea store remains like origin in intel macs; and this year 2024 epic, origin (ea) and minecraft launcher update to store on external drive; to clarify this option is new and necessary to de mac store to implement
so dumb that you have to install to internal. drives me nuts and totally agree its a huge thing holding back gaming on macbooks
Splitting the App Store and the game store might make sense
Its so bonkers that both "native" App Stores on both Windows and MacOS are so ass.
The Mac app store should have feature parity with Steam
OpenGL 4.6 Support for Asahi Linux =D
10.15: It’s funny because Steam actually does distribute non-gaming software
The biggest reason why I am not playing games on my mac specialy this new ones is because they are only availbe on app store. If I want to play resident evil or death stranding I need to buy it again throw apple app store which is stupid since I have both games(one on steam one on epic games). It is not power problem it is just apple being apple
Great video, Apple has gotten lazy with the App Store.
How does farming simulator 22 run on mac silicon??? That game is so wholesome and pure been so curious! Lol
I think they really need to revamp the Mac App Store honestly. I barely use it since it sucks. Especially if you compare it to Steam.
Well said but I think they should take all the ideas from Xbox app and apply them to App Store rather than make a separate app. While dark mode doesn’t matter as much , doesn’t the App Store look dark when the Mac is in dark mode?
It would also be better if these games were in Steam rather than the App Store
Totally agree with that. Apple should make a dedicated game marketplace and call it Apple Arcade, rebranding the current Apple Arcade to Apple Arcade Plus. this way this way, it will have symmetry with other services like Apple TV+, iCloud+, etc.
Or just bring back the game center and make it so you download the games there
Been trying to game on a Mac for well over a decade. We need to be pushing for Apple to work on the porting tools and for those games to be available on Steam. There are many advantages to letting Steam be the game client that Apple just can’t and shouldn’t compete with. Apple and Valve should be working together to push the Mac gaming front forward before it dies yet again.
I still dream of a day where I can game on my Mac like I do my gaming PC, but without these steps we will never get there.
Just wanted to take this space to thank the publisher of Baldurs Gate 1 and 2. Even though they sell a separate desktop computer version of the games that is more expensive than the iPad version, they still allow you to play or buy the cheaper iPad version on Mac.