Kpop Stans mindset is that kpop groups should have a chaotic crackhead extrovert friendship between each other when friends can be introverts or just chilling reading books. Ive, red velvet, aespa, etc remind of those quite girles who don't present their chaoticness much but rather show their love between each other. Like for example, how wonyoung even on her busy days made cookies for the members was so sweet. And what if they are co workers? It's okay and they act professionally in my opinion.
I agree that they can act professional if they want, but as a MY, I would like to point out that aespa are not quiet girls. If you've seen their content, they act like crackheads
the crazy thing is when they do play around or tease each other on camera, people say they have beef or that specifically Wonyoung is bullying someone. they can’t make anyone happy.
Aespa and red velvet are definitely not quiet girls🤣 I understand your point tho. Anndd even if any of the groups aren't close it's fine they do not have to be best friends they are working together you aren't best of friends with all your co workers......
@@cecelia7808 that's true for red velvet now, but during their first few years there were a lot of comments about them being boring in comparision to other 3rd gen groups that went crazy in variety shows.
@@emptyteardrops well its quite obvious for wonyoung. shes the most popular so she'd have the most haters. but for leeseo she gets hate cuz she was rude and mannerless.
It’s kind of interesting that the minute people understood that Wonyoung was gonna be big, the hate she got increased 10x and then when IVE won SOTY suddenly everything they did became a problem to KPOP stans 🙃
its funny how everyone was hyping them and calling love dive soty but when they start bagging awards everyone got mad💀😭kpopies will never change , they did the same thing to aespa last year and now ive is their new punching bag
Everyone was saying Love Dive was the only song that would have deserved Soty along with Tomboy, but the moment it actually won Soty look at what happened...
I stopped being invested in kpop since like 2020, I've only checked in here and there whenever my favorite artists dropped something. I came back to the fandom 3 weeks ago and holy shit, the fuck is happening? I'm used to fandoms fighting each other but I've never seen such a hate train regarding one single group. The amount of TikToks hating them whenever something "unusual" happens is insane. I could only compare that to the hate SNSD got. It's so stupid and unfair.
@@Moonlight_Shad0w Any type of fandom on tiktok is it's worst breed. Ppl say that kpop stans have a hive mentality, Jesus Christ its the whole app! everyone has to agree that one thing is the best (in kpop its lesserafim and newjeans) and everyone has to agree that one thing is the worst (in kpop its ive).
first it was aespa and now it's ive. when a group is receiving so much hate, that means they are really that good and threat. kpop stans always find something so it's not even surprising. but not gonna lie i think liz is really mistreated by the company a lot. they are pushing her back day by day. she is the main vocalist but don't even get lines. she really deserve better
Well, yes, she's the main vocalist, but you can't just give some lines to someone just because they are the main vocalist, you got to know which part that actually suits their voice, it's the same with twice jihyo, she has deeper tones and her starting twice songs that was mostly cute concept doesn't really match. Like I get that it's probably a little bit frustating, but I'm sure it's a thoughtful desicion made by the producer, otherwise the song would definetely be all over the place, and that part that she sang in after like actually suits her a lot, it's still my favorite part of the song
The more hate a group gets means the more successful they are. These girls are killing it! It doesnt hurt that they have 6 hot members. Jealousy breeds hate as well.
love dive is one of the best kpop songs of this year.. like seriously i feel like some producers got very lazy.. but starship ones are working hard! also the girls are a breath of fresh air. no unnecessary rap if not needed, nice vocals and dancing.
history always finds a way to repeat itself i guess. this really reminds of MOMOLAND. they release an iconic banger, everyone loves them, they get really popular, bag some awards, everyone turns on them and mostly target a specific member. i really wish stans would change their mindsets and stop this unnecessary, harmful behaviour.
People are like “they’re only famous cause of wonyoung and yujin bla bla bla” and I’m like bitch come on nobody says that about le sserafim having chaewon and Sakura AND being under a HUGE company like HYBE.
The hate IVE get especially Wonyoung is extremely disgusting I can't believe MOST of the hate Wonyoung gets is from a bunch of insecure girls If you look at the psychology behind it Insecure girls are not satisfied with their lives they don't have the things they want or dream about Wonyoung on the other hand has everything that most girl can ever dream about, Fame , beauty, friends , fanboys , Money , pretty clothes , luxury life , luxury gifts , love and support So when these girls see Wonyoung of course they spark a jealousy Inside them so they nitpick everything she does and make her the mean girl (that Gaeul and Wonyoung airport b*lls***) EVEN judging by Wonyoung's hate comments you can clearly see how insecure and unhappy these people are in their life so they are taking it all out on her And than comes the comparison People say IVE'S stage presences is nothing compared to le sserafim and new jeans Which I highly disagree their style is elegant And they do a great job showing that side and let's not forget the ICONIC dance break of love dive Gaeul and Wonyoung's parts in love dive went VIRAL You can't just compare 3 groups with different styles how about compare the groups who have the same concepts and see who did it better? People be acting like IVE are extremely untalented but that's the complete opposite Also I saw so many Korean influencers and chefs using love dive and after like in their tiktoks and reels so you can't act like these songs don't deserve the win
About Wonyoung, another thing is when haters say “what do you mean? I’m not jealous of her? I have nothing to be jealous about her life lol. I was just critiquing her” after LITERALLY making a hate comment. Can we appreciate the gaslighting. If you’re not jealous of her then what other reason do you have to pick on her? It’e like they prepared that comeback the moment Dive’s call them out for being jealous which they ARE.
i mean u cant rlly assume the hate she gets is from insecure girls. like some haters must have their reasons. also i have to agree that ive's stage presence and talent isnt the most outstanding among 4th gen girl groups but their concept and mv's r def the best.
@@bjc1243 of course insecure people are in a denial about their jealousy as someone who studies psychology especially Human behavior (tho I MIGHT be wrong but this is my observation) their comments about Wonyoung DO seem like it's coming from someone who's extremely jealous I mean seriously who are they trying to fool lol but anyways I agree with you
@@ILOVEBEARS77 but of course not all hate for Wonyoung comes from insecure girls that's why I said "MOST" because let's be honest I have seen Wonyoung's hate on many websites like Twitter, Instagram/Instagram reels comemnts, Qoura , RUclips shorts , TikTok and reddit Majority of the hate are from girls especially teengers And about the stage presences yes they might not be good comparing to others but the songs they are given the amount of energy they give to the songs is perfect (not too powerful or not too slow just perfect)
Yup...lots of hypocrisy in kpop fans behaviour toward IVE and Wonyoung. It's all about supporting everyone until you realize the group is doing better than your faves.
As a Dive, im really tired of those hates towards our lovely queens❤ and the thing is those antis/haters just made me want to keep supporting IVE harder and harder
the wonyoung hate is starting to piss me off. people have started discrediting and nit-picking everything she does, or claiming she "changed" and she's "different" from her produce and izone days 😭 like of course she changed she was 14 back then and now she's starting to become a young adult did y'all expect the girl to act like a kid forever? a lot of people have also been saying that she's always looking for the cameras or changing her attitude when she notices she's being filmed and, especially with wonyoung's popularity and reach, if i had people analyzing my attitude 24/7 and be ready to jump me at any second i would be camera conscious too 🤷♀️ that video where she eats the strawberry being a main example, people jumped the poor girl for eating when in reality it's true that she probably ate like that because she was on camera and that IS OKAY, every celebrity wants to look good on camera and her job is constantly putting on a show so there is nothing wrong with wanting to eat in a way that will still make you look pretty. the other day i saw someone praise wonyoung's stage presence and people jumped them and claimed other ive members were better when 1. nobody mentioned other ive members, or tried to discredit their stage presence, they were just praising wonyoung 2. i've been here since produce and wonyoung was ALWAYS known for being good on stage and eye-catching on stage, she HAS a good stage presence, her facial expressions are GREAT, she looks like she's having a great time performing. so why now it's a controversial opinion to claim she's a good performer when it used to be a well known fact before? anyways wonyoung has been my pick since produce days and she was my bias in izone and is now my bias in ive and i will always adore her no matter what agenda kpop stans want to shove down our throats regarding her attitude.
So true... wonyoung stan always praise her...but other ive member stan sometimes praise their bias and compared to wonyoung... i dont understand that...they need to focus on their bias instead of bringing other down... and then they say ive is cowokers... if its true that its okay... cowokers also count as friend..rather than snsd before say they are one but jessica is not there anymore... it still pissed me off... or miss A... let ive grow... we dont know the future...
the fact that so many people believe that tomboy was not good objectively but wanted to win over love dive then again whining about how kpop is not about good music anymore💀
Basically another Momoland situation. Exact same attitude scandal (especially towards one specific member) and exact same criticisms (and hate). It's actually kind of frustrating to see international netizens criticize them for not respecting Korean culture when they most likely don't know what they're talking about, like seeing comments written in perfect English criticize them about their disrespectful manners as if they have the rights to and it's mostly international netizens who fuss about everything, like they were the ones who turned Wonyoung eating a strawberry into a whole ass controversy.
The fact that im not even a dive and i find this hate ridiculous 😒. Their songs and stage prescence slaps. And wonyoung is freaking awesome. Hope she stays strong.
this is why i hate how ppl are like “leserrafim doesnt favorite members” because they come from a big company. if lsfm had 2 other girls except sakura and chaewon, ppl would’ve still checked them out. starship is pretty unknown and their other kpop groups (gwsn, cravity) are basically nugu. they used wy&yj popularity because how else were they gonna get ives name out there from an unknown compant
it’s easy to guess why: IVE had the best run this year out of probably 95% of kpop groups who debuted or had a comeback. kpop stans are mad that a 1 year old rookie is outselling their favs. they’re jealous of IVE’s success. end of story.
Nah cuz, it’s kinda hilarious how only Ive gets the “They might not be friends, they don’t seem close, dont assume, i’m 99% sure they don’t like each other actually” bs thrown at them. If that’s the case, then it’s the same for every group. You don’t know each kpop group’s chemistry. The only “proof” people have about Ive’s “bad” friendship is because they’re introverts and aren’t a “noise” group so they “probably aren’t that comfortable together” as if loud, extroverted groups can’t secretly dislike each other behind the scenes either lol.
i hate how ppl say "ive is the reason why le sserafim, newjeans, itzy etc. got hate" like yeah kakao might have spread the misinformation but at the end day kakao weren't the one sending hate daily to garam to the point hybe had no other choice but to kick her out it's easier to blame kakao the to hold yourselves accountable
am i the only one who thinks that this hate train is going to help them??? the same thing happened with blackpink, and now look at them now. for example: the one idol that's hated in each group is the "center" and the one "famous before debut". jennie = wonyoung. with hate comes attention, with attention comes more fans and international success. i'm not trying to make this into a marketing strategy but as a blink from debut I've seen the same thing happen to them.
it did backfire when that happened momoland tho while blackpink managed to get even more successful, momoland literally faded into obscurity (tho not only because of the hate train they got but also due to their company being terrible at their job)
@@emptyteardrops i dont blame you, the company is literally paying them dust 😭 they had one single album in 2020, not a single comeback in 2021 and a collabo with natti natasha at the start of this year (and not even with an album smh) and then vanished, the girls are in their blackpink era but even yg does a better job at promotions than mld + bp atleast has a big enough fanbase that keeps them relevant even with the hiatuses, merries are not a big fanbase so the momoland girls sadly lost their hype
Dear dives or wiz*ones or anyone supporting the girls We thank you We hope you can continue to support the girls and stay with them during this difficult time Remember people will just be jealous of our girls no matter what and it's our job to praise then and show them all the love ❤ Thank you: Dives
About the Kakao privilege, I saw a RUclips short about how IVE "cheated" their way to the top or some bs like that and istg you must have seen it too because everything you just said was in that clip💀💀
i remember that lmao and i've been thinking about it a lot but yk, kpop fans are kind of the embodiment of that expression "when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" - if you're looking for mistreatment or a reason to hate, you'll find it in anything
lmao when kakao privilege was shown in ive debut? they literally suffered to reach some tops and now they fill their mouths saying that their company that is an ally bought them success lmao, nobody knew or knew that kakao existed before ive debuted, it's so funny, some people are just jealous, ive not it's from a big agency, not part of a big 4 but since they have nothing to attack them, they create that shit just to smear their efforts, the fans, the girls and their achievements, that's all ENVY
Is so sad bc IVE are not problematic at all but kpop stan are always have somethings to say bc IVE being more successfull than her favs.Ive always have a bad edit or kpop stan call her "coworker" comon...u never see her video! and u don't know IVE as weel so kpop stan make a bad video,rumor for more views bc they know when u say somethings bad about ive is already buzz! is what all memeber of ive are call cringe pick me? what? see the defenition please and leave my girl alone
I just hope that Dive can united for Ive and stay away from toxic attitude... Let those haters keep barking, we just focus on supporting the girls. And please ignore other group. Let's be calm and collective like all Ive members are... Those haters can't bring Ive down...
The truth is people always call ive wonyoung and friend or wonuoung yujin and friend...but they didnt know thefact that how other members beside yujin and wonyoung is also popular and get a lot of exposure and brand deal,photoshot and etc....and compare to other new gg members that debuted in 2022 they are leading and get more than them...but yeah people always hate them and just say anything that they want to say
Insights no one asked me for because the hate train against the kids is giving me headaches. 1. I don't really think it's proper to call it favoritism especially when it comes to solo opportunities, it's more of Starship overworking Wonyoung and Yujin. We all know how much the two earn per photoshoot, brands want them to model for them and shows want them to host for their shows, and Starship seems to accept every single one of them because they'll get a cut from that too. They're doing decently in letting the other girls have other opportunities because they really did not do that in the past and used to only push the most popular member in the group because SSE has a history in blocking solo opportunities but also has a history in overworking the most popular member (though Liz could really get some more opportunities like singing OSTs) 2. I have zero idea why people are bashing them for being "co-workers", people are just used to kpop groups being chaotic, but it's clear that the girls are friends and care for each other. 3. Kakao Privilege DOES NOT EXIST, the only thing they really do for the artists under the Kakao companies are surprise *DISTRIBUTING THEIR MUSIC* because it is licensed to them. Kakao is NOT THE SAME as HYBE, the companies under them aren't closely affiliated with each other. If Kakao Privilege exists then tell me why out of like 10 entertainment companies they'll choose ONE GROUP FROM ONE COMPANY to boost? Sounds like a bad marketing tactic made by stupid businessmen to me. 4. Sure they don't have the best vocalists or best dancers out there, but they are able to utilize their skills AND IT WORKS. If they weren't the leading group people won't give any shit. Yes they have shortcomings but not everyone is perfect, they're still young, there is always time and room for improvement.
You explained it perfectly, and like you said, if kakao privilege existed then why would kakao boost only one of their groups when they could do it with all of them? Such nonsense coming from those haters
one thing i hate the most from kpopies who hating on ive is they always paint ive as a bunch of mean girls. ive will never be the mean girls that y'all always paint them to be.
Most of the people who bandawong hates ive aren't selfaware that this is something always ALWAYS happen when a group from a non big 3/big 4 starts to get big, there is always one of these big rumors that makes them look bad or undeserving of the fame and most of people falls on it bc they have now a excuse for their hate that is actually jealousy. It's a cycle that always repeat and will always show how kpop stans are stupid
I love how quietly the girls care for each other, it's not in your face like how other groups or even orchestrated to the point it seems fake, they just fit together so well and I love them. I don't really act super close to my friends, and how ive interacts reminds me of how I care for my friends tbh!!
Lmao they hate on their every move . Bp and Bts are selling out arenas aswell as performing on American shows and big American festivals . They need to start focusing on getting their groups music show wins instead of hating on them for being successful.
so well made and well researched especially the section about kakao/melon/charts, they’re shady but ive’s success is their own and no one made it for them… when it comes to skills there’s always room for improvement they’re a one year group we can’t expect them to be the best. they have good songs and are talented and attractive performers. that’s it.
People are mad that a group that isn’t from the big 3 are a threat to big3 groups yet everyone complains about big3 privilege so make it make sense idk? 😭 (Yes I’m aware of all the other bullshit reasons people hate them for but I’ve noticed this as well)
K-pop stans are so predictable it’s not even surprising anymore Just like BP people loved them when they started out new as rookies then they started to see how successful and popular they were getting and you know how some kpop fans get when they see a female group get all the success , jealousy starts to pour out from these kpop stans and now it’s happening to IVE , everyone and their mama were saying how love dive is the song of the year and the best comeback of the year now that they won the SOTY all of a sudden IVE don’t deserve it and everyone is mad that they won . Just give it a few years/months and see how almost everyone will start turning on this group cause they are getting successful just like they did with bp and Wonyoung is going to be the next Jennie cause Jennie was always a target for the bullies/haters
I shave actually not seen any hate towards Ive except for Wonyoung and also like some of their first encore stages so it was very interesting to hear this. I think they're stable in all areas tbh and they have their own strengths like most groups. I think something that also helped them gain fame is that their title tracks usually slap and they have a really nice kinda like luxurious teen concept ❤️
every 4th gen girl group gets hate for something but i feel like with ive there's a higher proportion of outcry over relatively minor things. most of the other groups have caught flak for having weak comebacks, "no" stage presence, lip-syncing, or other controversies but wonyoung got shit for...eating a strawberry?? rei got dunked on for "avoiding singing her parts" because she shouted out dives during an encore (and even if she was avoiding it, who cares?). i'm not gonna touch the attitude stuff bc i'm not korean but it just feels kinda ridiculous at this point, out of all the girl group rookies ive has had the most consistently appealing musical output (in the sense that they've been pretty solidly pop so far and haven't done any drastic stylistic 180s like le sserafim or veered into more experimental music like aespa or nmixx) so they're probably more likely to catch the interest of the general public. sure corporate meddling might've played a role, but that's just kind of a given in this industry - and the girls shouldn't catch the heat for it
Tbh I want ive to be more on crackhead side just like other grps out there but my girls are introverts and I respect that. Also, I don't have the right to say that they should act being crazy and all since I don't want them to lie to themselves. They have fun on their own and for that it's truly enough for me bc I love them and support them. A warm, calm, with a grain of salt chaos type of content from them are my escaped sometimes when my mind is messy. Edit: Gago kaya extra yung love ko kay yujin kasi sya ung nagsisimula ng gulo sa grupo. I love her mindset talaga kaya sya ult ko e.🤣
I stumble to this video after being so frustrated to every damn hate IVE got. Let us all focus to our girls and they deserve DIVE's love. Thank you for this videooo
God I'm so TIRED. The amount of stupid takes I've seen about this group and the members is unbelievable. I'm especially annoyed by how these kpop stans claim to know everything about them, their personalities and their relationship with one another. Taking clips out of context and over analyzing them as if they need to prove to the world that these girls somehow hate each other and are all stuck up and rude, especially when it comes to Wonyoung. It is one thing to complain about favoritism, it is another to put all the blame on these teenage girls who likely don't even have a choice. And don't even get me started on the unnecessary comparisons with the other post-Iz*One group, that is also absolutely ridiculous.
The way we see no hate about other rookie ggs (which is good) but IVE has billion videos there is at least three new videos everytime I scroll and it's sad that people are normlizing the hate towards them that even when someone defend them they be called "sensitive" and "toxic"???
Ive seen some bullshit like "educating doesnt mean hating waaa wy needs to fix her attitude we care abt her waaa" while the "bad attitude" is her "not bowing to txt" while in reality theyre bowing FIRST, and txt bows back to them. No, both groups arent caught in a bowing match bcs ive need to rush to the stage.
it's frustrating and sad that there is a hate hit tweet and tiktok hate vids about them blowing up. it's so organized that you can't help but think that there is someone who's paying for the haters to do this. it's so sad. you all can never make me hate ive.
Frr , n I hv seen a lot of ppl say that even tho they dont search or watch ive hate content , their fyp in tiktok would be filled with these ive hate contents. I hv always thought that the ive hate is always perfectly timed with their controversies and their appearance in shows or achievements. It was revealed that someone was paying ppl to give hate comments to wonyoung so I won't be shocked if there is an organised group behind this hate against ive n wonyoung.
I'm not a fan but a casual listener but I quite like their music and the groups concept and as I said not a fan so I'm unaware of their group dynamics and their personality (even the ex-izone members) and for me they are definitely not the best 4th gen ggs but definitely talented and nobody deserves unnecessary hate these ppl really to calm down P.s If I had to choose a fav it'd be Gaeul love her voice and she rocks the short hair I hope she gets more lines in their next cb
I agree with you that IVE is a 4th Generation Rookie Girl Group that gets a large amount of hate. **But I would also like to include 2 other 4th Gen Rookie Girl Groups NMIXX and Kep1er that get quite a lot of hate as well. The amount of times I have seen on social media ,these 3 girl groups get hated on is insane!
Nmixx and kep1er get the hate because of their music but ive everybody loves their music but the hate was For no reason even wonyoun everyday she got the hate for no reason aging but nmixx and kep1er not everyday or every week like ive did !!
@@rahafl9606 I agree with you that IVE members (especially Wonyoung get so much excessive unnecessary amount of hate for every thing she does) •But I wanted to say that NMIXX and Kep1er also get hate not only for their music. •NMIXX members get hate for their concept, that they plagiarized, the members called not talented for “over dancing or over singing”,insulting the members appearance and stage presence) •For Kep1er members, they get hate for members for their talents, their concept,appearance, group chemistry,etc. •None of these groups deserve get the large amount of hate they receive.
@@hibeautym I think what you mean is that NMIXX gets hate because people don’t like their title tracks (O.O. And Dice) I do agree with you that IVE gets unnecessary excessive amount of hate all of the time. Especially Wonyoung.
the only group I really stan is txt, and I wanted to get into ive because I love their music a lot and I love gaeul. I'm a little surprised at all the drama surrounding ive. I'm not active in any Kpop circles so it was a shocker to figure out the drama around this group like 4 days ago 😭 I only knew people didn't like wonyoung, but not everything else
People are currently tryna momoland them by using 2 second footage from award season and making them seem rude for not bowing and saying wonyoung wants to be the center of attention. Like none of the idols there care bruh it was a 5 second moment that they’ve probably not thought back on once so idk why folks are trying to defame them based on nothing. It’s nice to see people haven’t learned from what happened to momoland, Kpop stans don’t change and the amount of likes that type of content gets is really disgusting of people.
The whole dynamic thing is so funny to me, bc if people saw how me and my friends are together, and especially in public considering we’re all introverts, they’d be sure we hate each other but in reality it’s the complete opposite.
True! Just saw a YT short hating on Wooyoung for standing in the center in airport and crying for another member (don't know the name). As someone who is nothing, not even a fan (like you can say I have heard and love all their title songs), I find that video on another level of delusional and hate train. They were all talking about lacking members bond and stuffs like that which I get why it can hinder someone's ability to like them but it's not like they physically fight or hate each other. I don't understand the mindset of these children like stans. Why K-pop Stans becoming more weird and more toxic day by day? Or is it just me noticing this since it hasn't been that long since I started investing in K-pop industry outside of my faves?
Frrr I keep seeing tiktoks about them being supposedly “not close/not anything more than coworkers” like?? Y’all know nothing about idols’ group chemistry so why would you judge their friendship lol
Some people can't consume the fact that a nonbig4 group got all the awards in every award show. This is what happens when you are making good music and smashing records. Everyone will want to bring them down by making up bullshit. Carry on haters. Ive will continue to make SOTY material songs and win every deserving award.
It also SUPER disgusting that gaul Stans only care about the other members when they can drag wony and The only care about Gaul when they can drag wony. Most Gaul Stans just use Gaul to drag wony and don’t actually care about Gaul. (. Most don’t care about Gaul but some actually do like me bc I’m ot6) and it’s gross how they use Gaul only for dragging wony. And it’s sad bc in reality Gaul doesn’t have much real fans who actually care about her and support her. And it’s sad that she is used as a excuse to hate the other members
You're right, people shouldn't be using her to drag the other members, but those are just people that token stan her just to talk badly about the other girls. Gaeul actually has a lot of real fans now since she got more popular and her real fans mostly just talk about how they wished she had more lines but without dragging the others.
If you don’t like a group then don’t listen to them and watch their content. Literally so easy to do! If you don’t think they didn’t deserve SOTY then leave ur opinion and move on. Haters so miserable i swear! I wish IVE the best and hope they don’t see all this hate 🤍
The ONLY thing I disagree with is starship not being a big company. I like to see it as this: companies are ranked at different levels. Tier A: SM, YG, JYP (pioneered kpop. From the contracts, to the dating bans, down to the idol and trainee system. Also longevity. SUJU, SNSD, BoA, BigBang, 2NE1, TVXQ, Wonder Girls, SHINee, 2PM. Regardless of if you like them you cannot deny they’re presence in the kpop industry especially among idols) Tier B: HYBE (the only reason I rank them here is because they really blew up for bts solely. Now don’t get me wrong, they did a LOT for kpop outside of Asia. And I do think hybe is a part of big4 (I heard that yg I think? Wasn’t considered big3 anymore and hybe is but don’t quote me), but they set the standards for new generations. SM has vocals, JYP has dance and yg has rap. Hybe has all 3, and with bts, followed by txt breaking in followed by Enhypen FOLLOWED by le Sserafim and now newjeans) Tier C: Starship, Pledis, Cube (I don’t consider these “none big companies), seeing as they DO have/did have very popular groups and artists like sistar, Monsta x, seventeen, HyunA, beast, 4minute, fromis_9 and now IVE. Cravity is the main group now that’s not that big. And I know pledis is now under hybe but they were “big” before then. Like starship is a company that most people would prefer to go to if they don’t get into the first three. Most of their groups do good or have some kind of notoriety. They may not be an snsd but they set standards as well. Most people were shocked to see Wonyoung and Yujin under starship on produce because it’s considered a big company. While they don’t have that immense worldwide backing of big3, in no way will their groups do extremely bad especially starship, it’s a big company due to have big names outside of the big3 Tier D: FNC, IST, KQ, etc… (these are just smaller companies that can throw out good groups like the Boyz, sf9, p1harmony, ateez, but they aren’t checked for. FNC debuted p1harmony but no one was like “let me check them out because they’re under FNC/they’re sf9’s juniors) Anyways I know this was long but I agree with most of the video lol. I think the hate people have for Wonyoung overshadows everything as well. I also see how people were saying they’d take Itzy’s spot but now that Itzy is “falling off” people are blaming ive and saying they aren’t even that talented blah blah. And most of them say “they don’t even have good talent they just have Wonyoung bringing fame and she can’t sing” I agree. Most of it is jealousy. IVE is above average in talent, just barely, but they make good music, can hold a note, keep a fun dance and the members are visuals. They don’t lack in anything. With Itzy, it’s they make crappy music or they can’t sing, with Aespa it’s they lipsync and have horrendous stage presence, with StayC it’s they’re concepts aren’t as fun, with weeekly it’s they don’t like the girl crush concept, with newjeans it’s they’re too young, with LSF it’s Garam (discourse online not all are my opinions). Like it’s always something but IVE is consistent at their talent and stages. Nothing to hate on unless people just want to be malicious
thank you for this video. i really feel like ive is getting so much hate lately. they arent perfect and they arent the most skilled but i still think they have a lot of charm. i like their voices and i like their performances and im sure they will keep on improving. i think its impossible for the hate not to effect them but i hope they still have the strength to keep on improving
Your video is honestly the best video I’ve seen on this subject. You are so sensible and reasonable and have all your facts in check. You touched on EVERYTHING I’ve been leaving replies left and right to comments of people speaking utter nonsense and spreading hate. I wish people exercised critical thinking and individuality more instead of being mindless sheeps following whatever others say. But some are dead set on hating IVE so no matter the proof you give them they will never change their minds. My personal fav however is the kakao privilege claims LMAO yes, all other Starship groups are over here struggling with mediocre or bellow levels of success but KaKaO HaS AlL tHiS PoWeR tO RiG tHe InDuStRy lmao. Starship has been trying to make Monsta X happen for 7 YEARS working those boys to the BONE sending them left and right, releasing comeback after comeback english, korean, japanese yet nobody cared so HOW does this privilege work exactly? But they know the truth, they just don’t wanna admit it, they can’t stand how organic the love for IVE has been so they try to justify it somehow else.
People do not have the ability to celebrate someone's success. Reminder: IVE is an extremely young group collectively (age) so seeing people bash them behind their PC screens is not a look.
they're getting the popularity they deserve.. don't get why most haters are girls themselves. like we get it, you're jealous, but stop spamming hate everywhere
It must be hard for the girls to be constantly judged ( Especially Wonyoung ). People overanalyzing their relashionship , pitting them against each other.. I hope the girls are strong enough with the amount of hates they get , for the dumbest things...
IVE has very trendy and catchy songs, but they do lack of the performance. It's very visible in yearend award shows. They don't have that charisma, energy on their performance even vocal prowess to wow their audience. They suited more on radio, streaming and intimate crowd settings.
Wonder where that hate comes from? Or do those haters only love " just one group, their fave"? Geez, how narrow minded. If there was just one group to love, male or female, in K-Pop wouldn't that be sad? We'd miss so much talent and creativity to watch & listen to. Hate another group, because you want your fave to get all the attention? How selfish is That! Besides, listening to what's said in this video, it's like Hating a particular group is like in fashion! Something new is popular, everybody wants it/ or is doing it... So i'm gonna do it too? Don't those haters have a mind of their own? Following others... because others hate IVE? PLEASE... ( Shaking my head) I like a lot of K- groups.. I support them all. And like IVE too.
Not that it diminishes IVE struggles cause for sure they are getting hated like no tomorrow and for no reason, but I believe Nmixx is more hated at the moment. I don't stand either, I'm a casual listener of IVE and a casual listener of NMIXX's cover, so I believe I'm pretty impartial. IVE it has the worst side of the Jennie favouritism and it girl. Not being from big 3 and her being from iz*one makes her subject of favouritism, which would be fine since many checked IVE because of her. Also saying they aren't talented just because they are not the best vocalist, when their forte is clearly charming performance, their voices are fine and their rap too, they are rookies for god's sake let them improve. As for NMXX let them breath, you really made some of the best performers doubt themselves because you don't like their music? The girls were able to keep up with Aju Nice, Seventeen is one of the best performance group to date, stables with amazing vocals, dance and rap. I don't have an opinion on their rap much, but the girls are the most stables live performers right now especially with vocally domanding songs, I mean itzy is stable too, but the song are less vocal focused. I think that is really dumb hating of some rookies that have a whole career in front of them, some people need to get a life
You're absolutely crazy lol, Nmixx is the most loved k-pop rookie girl group, they don't even get a quarter of the amount of hate Aespa and IVE get, what really got hated was O.O, Tank and Dice just really a little bit, and i am obviously not surprised why people don't hate their fans, they are the embodiment of toxic and have a superiority complex but people hate dives and mys and dare to say they're the most toxic, that just really shows that k-pop stans pick villains.
Nmixx get the hate because of their music just and the people loves their vocals and dance skills but ive everybody loves their music but the hate was For no reason even wonyoung everyday she got the hate for no reason , but nmixx not everyday or every week like ive did !!
Nmixx is barely hated, the only things they get is because of their music but everyone blames JYP and not the girls. The only bad thing i’ve really seen is people making fun of the way Lily stands but that’s it
@@emptyteardrops I have seen thoughout social media people not liking NMIXX music and concept (mostly their title tracks) •but also I have seen people say that the members are not talented because they are “over singing or overdancing”, insulting the members appearance and stage presence) •like you said making fun on the way Lily stands but I think that become like a meme now. •I agree though IVE and NMIXX should not deserve get the large amount of hate they receive.
as much as i agree with the video the only thing i disagree with is "kpop fans didnt even know about kakao before ive" while i obviously can't speak for all kpop fans, and i by NO MEANS believe coming from a company owned by kakao gives you some type of privilege, kpop fans with any interest in distribution did know about kakao. i would assume most loona fans and any ist fan is aware of kakao and the companies they work with.
what is the boyz and loona getting from kakao privilege btw? i've been long in kpop and i've only heard kakao privilege so loud after ive doing well out of anyone's expectation
@@rabbitwonyo9270 did not say they get kakao privilege lmao. literally said it doesn’t exist. was simply replying to the comment “people didn’t even know kakao owned companies before this because a talking point because of ive” which i personally disagree with, because there are certain fandoms who had knowledge of kakao, their companies, and the distribution process long before ive debuted.
that’s just show that they are successful lol, bp,bts,itzy,skz etc had a hate train and they are super successful and popular l too but I hope the Hate train stops
I didnt see hate against the band BUT bruh every weeks those fvckin hater do wanna do woonyoung the garam treatment, bruh the amount of hates she gets even within their fandom is next level baffling
Kpop Stans mindset is that kpop groups should have a chaotic crackhead extrovert friendship between each other when friends can be introverts or just chilling reading books. Ive, red velvet, aespa, etc remind of those quite girles who don't present their chaoticness much but rather show their love between each other. Like for example, how wonyoung even on her busy days made cookies for the members was so sweet. And what if they are co workers? It's okay and they act professionally in my opinion.
I agree that they can act professional if they want, but as a MY, I would like to point out that aespa are not quiet girls. If you've seen their content, they act like crackheads
@@thebestlife1174 same with red velvet. They can be chaotic at times too just like aespa.
the crazy thing is when they do play around or tease each other on camera, people say they have beef or that specifically Wonyoung is bullying someone. they can’t make anyone happy.
Aespa and red velvet are definitely not quiet girls🤣 I understand your point tho. Anndd even if any of the groups aren't close it's fine they do not have to be best friends they are working together you aren't best of friends with all your co workers......
@@cecelia7808 that's true for red velvet now, but during their first few years there were a lot of comments about them being boring in comparision to other 3rd gen groups that went crazy in variety shows.
the ive hate train has been unbelievable lately.
Fr people are obsessed with hating on these girls
especially towards wonyoung and leeseo like damn 💀 go do your homework or sum
It got worse cause they won SOTY and other stuff and NewJeans and Gidle fans had to bully them cause they felt their groups deserved it more…
@@emptyteardrops well its quite obvious for wonyoung. shes the most popular so she'd have the most haters. but for leeseo she gets hate cuz she was rude and mannerless.
fr like they're obsessed
not surprised wonyoung emotionally broke down during the award speech. the fact that she hardly cries too just shows she was at her limit.
I worry about her, I hope there's people in the company looking after her mental health
It’s kind of interesting that the minute people understood that Wonyoung was gonna be big, the hate she got increased 10x and then when IVE won SOTY suddenly everything they did became a problem to KPOP stans 🙃
I still remember when wonyoung got hate for eating a damn strawberry 💀
now it’s a trend to start hating leeseo which is 5x worse because she’s a minor 😭
It started with the produce scandal imo
@@emptyteardrops Wonyoung is also a minor
@@emptyteardrops fr 😭 like can they let her ate in peace 😭
its funny how everyone was hyping them and calling love dive soty but when they start bagging awards everyone got mad💀😭kpopies will never change , they did the same thing to aespa last year and now ive is their new punching bag
Everyone was saying Love Dive was the only song that would have deserved Soty along with Tomboy, but the moment it actually won Soty look at what happened...
the punching bags always be ggs too
I stopped being invested in kpop since like 2020, I've only checked in here and there whenever my favorite artists dropped something. I came back to the fandom 3 weeks ago and holy shit, the fuck is happening? I'm used to fandoms fighting each other but I've never seen such a hate train regarding one single group. The amount of TikToks hating them whenever something "unusual" happens is insane. I could only compare that to the hate SNSD got. It's so stupid and unfair.
@@Moonlight_Shad0w i was about to say this reminds of snsd and momoland
@@Moonlight_Shad0w Any type of fandom on tiktok is it's worst breed. Ppl say that kpop stans have a hive mentality, Jesus Christ its the whole app! everyone has to agree that one thing is the best (in kpop its lesserafim and newjeans) and everyone has to agree that one thing is the worst (in kpop its ive).
It's very sad how young these girls are and they are getting exposed to this hate. Fighting for their mental health!
ikr i hope ive will stop receiving hate like cmon bro
@@ILOVEBEARS77 sad to say it won't end. Pretty much every kpop group, male and female, that are successful will keep receiving hate ☹️
@@thebestlife1174 true but ig its the life of a kpop idol. just hope they wont commit suicide
first it was aespa and now it's ive. when a group is receiving so much hate, that means they are really that good and threat. kpop stans always find something so it's not even surprising. but not gonna lie i think liz is really mistreated by the company a lot. they are pushing her back day by day. she is the main vocalist but don't even get lines. she really deserve better
Agreed Liz does deserve more lines not hating on anyone who is getting more but Liz voice suits most of their song and has the strongest technique.
First it was twice then it blackpink then aespa then ive we will wait till who’s next
Well, yes, she's the main vocalist, but you can't just give some lines to someone just because they are the main vocalist, you got to know which part that actually suits their voice, it's the same with twice jihyo, she has deeper tones and her starting twice songs that was mostly cute concept doesn't really match. Like I get that it's probably a little bit frustating, but I'm sure it's a thoughtful desicion made by the producer, otherwise the song would definetely be all over the place, and that part that she sang in after like actually suits her a lot, it's still my favorite part of the song
The more hate a group gets means the more successful they are. These girls are killing it! It doesnt hurt that they have 6 hot members. Jealousy breeds hate as well.
Great comment, i totally agree.
And you are so right about that last line!
Fact
FACTS
love dive is one of the best kpop songs of this year.. like seriously i feel like some producers got very lazy.. but starship ones are working hard! also the girls are a breath of fresh air. no unnecessary rap if not needed, nice vocals and dancing.
love dive is amazing, even my mom who only listens to boy groups added love dive to her playlist lol she said the song was so pretty
@@potatoofdeath315 love dive song of the year 🔥💪🏼
right! i was like hyper fixated on love dive 😭
@@rahafl9606 yess love dive is the best song
LOVE DIVE SOTY PERIODDD
history always finds a way to repeat itself i guess. this really reminds of MOMOLAND. they release an iconic banger, everyone loves them, they get really popular, bag some awards, everyone turns on them and mostly target a specific member. i really wish stans would change their mindsets and stop this unnecessary, harmful behaviour.
Yep that's exactly what happened to them girls they got too popular and a big 4 K-pop fans felt threatened
simple: the more successful a female act is, the more it gets hated
Honestly, I’ve been around for 4 years now and I’ve never seen male acts be treated this way.
More success = more hate
People are like “they’re only famous cause of wonyoung and yujin bla bla bla” and I’m like bitch come on nobody says that about le sserafim having chaewon and Sakura AND being under a HUGE company like HYBE.
i mean...yeah, at least if they wanna attack ive they have to make it make sense
The hate IVE get especially Wonyoung is extremely disgusting
I can't believe MOST of the hate Wonyoung gets is from a bunch of insecure girls
If you look at the psychology behind it Insecure girls are not satisfied with their lives they don't have the things they want or dream about
Wonyoung on the other hand has everything that most girl can ever dream about,
Fame , beauty, friends , fanboys , Money , pretty clothes , luxury life , luxury gifts , love and support
So when these girls see Wonyoung of course they spark a jealousy Inside them so they nitpick everything she does and make her the mean girl (that Gaeul and Wonyoung airport b*lls***)
EVEN judging by Wonyoung's hate comments you can clearly see how insecure and unhappy these people are in their life so they are taking it all out on her
And than comes the comparison
People say IVE'S stage presences is nothing compared to le sserafim and new jeans
Which I highly disagree their style is elegant
And they do a great job showing that side and let's not forget the ICONIC dance break of love dive
Gaeul and Wonyoung's parts in love dive went VIRAL
You can't just compare 3 groups with different styles how about compare the groups who have the same concepts and see who did it better?
People be acting like IVE are extremely untalented but that's the complete opposite
Also I saw so many Korean influencers and chefs using love dive and after like in their tiktoks and reels so you can't act like these songs don't deserve the win
You are so right! Super comment! ( Both thumbs up)
Love your comment
About Wonyoung, another thing is when haters say “what do you mean? I’m not jealous of her? I have nothing to be jealous about her life lol. I was just critiquing her” after LITERALLY making a hate comment. Can we appreciate the gaslighting. If you’re not jealous of her then what other reason do you have to pick on her? It’e like they prepared that comeback the moment Dive’s call them out for being jealous which they ARE.
i mean u cant rlly assume the hate she gets is from insecure girls. like some haters must have their reasons. also i have to agree that ive's stage presence and talent isnt the most outstanding among 4th gen girl groups but their concept and mv's r def the best.
@@bjc1243 of course insecure people are in a denial about their jealousy as someone who studies psychology especially Human behavior (tho I MIGHT be wrong but this is my observation) their comments about Wonyoung DO seem like it's coming from someone who's extremely jealous
I mean seriously who are they trying to fool lol but anyways I agree with you
@@ILOVEBEARS77 but of course not all hate for Wonyoung comes from insecure girls that's why I said "MOST" because let's be honest I have seen Wonyoung's hate on many websites like Twitter, Instagram/Instagram reels comemnts, Qoura , RUclips shorts , TikTok and reddit
Majority of the hate are from girls especially teengers
And about the stage presences yes they might not be good comparing to others but the songs they are given the amount of energy they give to the songs is perfect (not too powerful or not too slow just perfect)
Yup...lots of hypocrisy in kpop fans behaviour toward IVE and Wonyoung. It's all about supporting everyone until you realize the group is doing better than your faves.
this one is so truee. everyone loves ive until ive outdid their faves
As a Dive, im really tired of those hates towards our lovely queens❤ and the thing is those antis/haters just made me want to keep supporting IVE harder and harder
the wonyoung hate is starting to piss me off.
people have started discrediting and nit-picking everything she does, or claiming she "changed" and she's "different" from her produce and izone days 😭 like of course she changed she was 14 back then and now she's starting to become a young adult did y'all expect the girl to act like a kid forever? a lot of people have also been saying that she's always looking for the cameras or changing her attitude when she notices she's being filmed and, especially with wonyoung's popularity and reach, if i had people analyzing my attitude 24/7 and be ready to jump me at any second i would be camera conscious too 🤷♀️ that video where she eats the strawberry being a main example, people jumped the poor girl for eating when in reality it's true that she probably ate like that because she was on camera and that IS OKAY, every celebrity wants to look good on camera and her job is constantly putting on a show so there is nothing wrong with wanting to eat in a way that will still make you look pretty.
the other day i saw someone praise wonyoung's stage presence and people jumped them and claimed other ive members were better when 1. nobody mentioned other ive members, or tried to discredit their stage presence, they were just praising wonyoung 2. i've been here since produce and wonyoung was ALWAYS known for being good on stage and eye-catching on stage, she HAS a good stage presence, her facial expressions are GREAT, she looks like she's having a great time performing. so why now it's a controversial opinion to claim she's a good performer when it used to be a well known fact before?
anyways wonyoung has been my pick since produce days and she was my bias in izone and is now my bias in ive and i will always adore her no matter what agenda kpop stans want to shove down our throats regarding her attitude.
So true... wonyoung stan always praise her...but other ive member stan sometimes praise their bias and compared to wonyoung... i dont understand that...they need to focus on their bias instead of bringing other down... and then they say ive is cowokers... if its true that its okay... cowokers also count as friend..rather than snsd before say they are one but jessica is not there anymore... it still pissed me off... or miss A... let ive grow... we dont know the future...
It's sad that they're so hated , they actually have good music and ppl seem to hate anything that's getting popular 💀
Guys touch some holy grass
The fact that even these haters vibe to their music shows
the fact that so many people believe that tomboy was not good objectively but wanted to win over love dive then again whining about how kpop is not about good music anymore💀
Basically another Momoland situation. Exact same attitude scandal (especially towards one specific member) and exact same criticisms (and hate). It's actually kind of frustrating to see international netizens criticize them for not respecting Korean culture when they most likely don't know what they're talking about, like seeing comments written in perfect English criticize them about their disrespectful manners as if they have the rights to and it's mostly international netizens who fuss about everything, like they were the ones who turned Wonyoung eating a strawberry into a whole ass controversy.
FRRR and guess what, korean ppl who own the culture dgaf abt attitude that they talked abt
Agree with you on how it is usually international fans/ kpop listeners who made fuss about everything. I just realised it lately
i’m so tired of all the hate they are getting it’s so sad
me too always hate
The fact that im not even a dive and i find this hate ridiculous 😒. Their songs and stage prescence slaps. And wonyoung is freaking awesome. Hope she stays strong.
this is why i hate how ppl are like “leserrafim doesnt favorite members” because they come from a big company. if lsfm had 2 other girls except sakura and chaewon, ppl would’ve still checked them out. starship is pretty unknown and their other kpop groups (gwsn, cravity) are basically nugu. they used wy&yj popularity because how else were they gonna get ives name out there from an unknown compant
it’s easy to guess why: IVE had the best run this year out of probably 95% of kpop groups who debuted or had a comeback. kpop stans are mad that a 1 year old rookie is outselling their favs. they’re jealous of IVE’s success. end of story.
Yup
It's the way everyone suddenly switched up is so funny they do this all the bloody time💀💀💀
They will switch on new jeans soon I can feel it 😑
Nah cuz, it’s kinda hilarious how only Ive gets the “They might not be friends, they don’t seem close, dont assume, i’m 99% sure they don’t like each other actually” bs thrown at them. If that’s the case, then it’s the same for every group. You don’t know each kpop group’s chemistry. The only “proof” people have about Ive’s “bad” friendship is because they’re introverts and aren’t a “noise” group so they “probably aren’t that comfortable together” as if loud, extroverted groups can’t secretly dislike each other behind the scenes either lol.
i hate how ppl say "ive is the reason why le sserafim, newjeans, itzy etc. got hate" like yeah kakao might have spread the misinformation but at the end day kakao weren't the one sending hate daily to garam to the point hybe had no other choice but to kick her out it's easier to blame kakao the to hold yourselves accountable
even hype do the same thing with straykides and ive , they pay the kbs to talk shit about ive but nobody cares because the hate ive 🤷🏻♀️
It seems that anytime groups get more popular than their favs some stans first instinct is to start hating.
am i the only one who thinks that this hate train is going to help them??? the same thing happened with blackpink, and now look at them now.
for example: the one idol that's hated in each group is the "center" and the one "famous before debut". jennie = wonyoung.
with hate comes attention, with attention comes more fans and international success. i'm not trying to make this into a marketing strategy but as a blink from debut I've seen the same thing happen to them.
I swear there’s a new hated female idol every year, it’s a tradition at this point!
it did backfire when that happened momoland tho
while blackpink managed to get even more successful, momoland literally faded into obscurity (tho not only because of the hate train they got but also due to their company being terrible at their job)
@@deadblocko well I agree it's make or break kinda situation it literally overshadowed momolands since that hate train began
@@deadblocko honestly i have not heard from momoland in a hot minute
@@emptyteardrops i dont blame you, the company is literally paying them dust 😭
they had one single album in 2020, not a single comeback in 2021 and a collabo with natti natasha at the start of this year (and not even with an album smh) and then vanished, the girls are in their blackpink era but even yg does a better job at promotions than mld + bp atleast has a big enough fanbase that keeps them relevant even with the hiatuses, merries are not a big fanbase so the momoland girls sadly lost their hype
it got to the point where K-pop Stan's were making up stuff to hate on I've especially K-pop punching bag wonyoung
Dear dives or wiz*ones or anyone supporting the girls
We thank you
We hope you can continue to support the girls and stay with them during this difficult time
Remember people will just be jealous of our girls no matter what and it's our job to praise then and show them all the love ❤
Thank you:
Dives
@ImCutieJinni your name nearly made me cry
Miss you jinni ❤
About the Kakao privilege, I saw a RUclips short about how IVE "cheated" their way to the top or some bs like that and istg you must have seen it too because everything you just said was in that clip💀💀
i remember that lmao and i've been thinking about it a lot but yk, kpop fans are kind of the embodiment of that expression "when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail" - if you're looking for mistreatment or a reason to hate, you'll find it in anything
even hype do the same thing with straykides and ive , they pay the kbs to talk shit about ive but nobody cares because the hate ive 🤷🏻♀️
lmao when kakao privilege was shown in ive debut? they literally suffered to reach some tops and now they fill their mouths saying that their company that is an ally bought them success lmao, nobody knew or knew that kakao existed before ive debuted, it's so funny, some people are just jealous, ive not it's from a big agency, not part of a big 4 but since they have nothing to attack them, they create that shit just to smear their efforts, the fans, the girls and their achievements, that's all ENVY
IVE will bring all awards and popularity , stay mad big4 stan
Is so sad bc IVE are not problematic at all but kpop stan are always have somethings to say bc IVE being more successfull than her favs.Ive always have a bad edit or kpop stan call her "coworker" comon...u never see her video! and u don't know IVE as weel so kpop stan make a bad video,rumor for more views bc they know when u say somethings bad about ive is already buzz! is what all memeber of ive are call cringe pick me? what? see the defenition please and leave my girl alone
I wish I could give this a 1000 likes
You're speaking directly out my soul
I just hope that Dive can united for Ive and stay away from toxic attitude... Let those haters keep barking, we just focus on supporting the girls.
And please ignore other group.
Let's be calm and collective like all Ive members are... Those haters can't bring Ive down...
YES being a whole family and protect IVE
I swear next week there's gonna be some kind of false accusations against IVE again really people find some other hobby please 😭.
watch people say wonyoung bullied them in middle school 😭
@@emptyteardrops oh please 😭
@@emptyteardrops and she was in produce during middle school 😭
yes. gaeul, liz and rei are very very good and they would be very good in any group they would be.
Wonyoung is very talented to she made izone famous and ive to 🤷🏻♀️💪🏼👏🏼
The truth is people always call ive wonyoung and friend or wonuoung yujin and friend...but they didnt know thefact that how other members beside yujin and wonyoung is also popular and get a lot of exposure and brand deal,photoshot and etc....and compare to other new gg members that debuted in 2022 they are leading and get more than them...but yeah people always hate them and just say anything that they want to say
@@rahafl9606 aw srry they didnt mention ur wonyoung.
@@naruto-wq6ot thats actually true. wonyoung and yujin started way earlier yet the other ive members r already trending by themselves.
Insights no one asked me for because the hate train against the kids is giving me headaches.
1. I don't really think it's proper to call it favoritism especially when it comes to solo opportunities, it's more of Starship overworking Wonyoung and Yujin. We all know how much the two earn per photoshoot, brands want them to model for them and shows want them to host for their shows, and Starship seems to accept every single one of them because they'll get a cut from that too. They're doing decently in letting the other girls have other opportunities because they really did not do that in the past and used to only push the most popular member in the group because SSE has a history in blocking solo opportunities but also has a history in overworking the most popular member (though Liz could really get some more opportunities like singing OSTs)
2. I have zero idea why people are bashing them for being "co-workers", people are just used to kpop groups being chaotic, but it's clear that the girls are friends and care for each other.
3. Kakao Privilege DOES NOT EXIST, the only thing they really do for the artists under the Kakao companies are surprise *DISTRIBUTING THEIR MUSIC* because it is licensed to them. Kakao is NOT THE SAME as HYBE, the companies under them aren't closely affiliated with each other. If Kakao Privilege exists then tell me why out of like 10 entertainment companies they'll choose ONE GROUP FROM ONE COMPANY to boost? Sounds like a bad marketing tactic made by stupid businessmen to me.
4. Sure they don't have the best vocalists or best dancers out there, but they are able to utilize their skills AND IT WORKS. If they weren't the leading group people won't give any shit. Yes they have shortcomings but not everyone is perfect, they're still young, there is always time and room for improvement.
You explained it perfectly, and like you said, if kakao privilege existed then why would kakao boost only one of their groups when they could do it with all of them? Such nonsense coming from those haters
one thing i hate the most from kpopies who hating on ive is they always paint ive as a bunch of mean girls. ive will never be the mean girls that y'all always paint them to be.
funny how produce curse turned into Kakao privilege 💀
Most of the people who bandawong hates ive aren't selfaware that this is something always ALWAYS happen when a group from a non big 3/big 4 starts to get big, there is always one of these big rumors that makes them look bad or undeserving of the fame and most of people falls on it bc they have now a excuse for their hate that is actually jealousy. It's a cycle that always repeat and will always show how kpop stans are stupid
kinda unrelated but god i cannot wait for their next comeback...
6 months ago it was aespa now its I’VE.
Because they are getting in the way of their favs success.
I love how quietly the girls care for each other, it's not in your face like how other groups or even orchestrated to the point it seems fake, they just fit together so well and I love them. I don't really act super close to my friends, and how ive interacts reminds me of how I care for my friends tbh!!
Yea most successful = most hated. Look at BTS & BP haha.
Lmao they hate on their every move . Bp and Bts are selling out arenas aswell as performing on American shows and big American festivals . They need to start focusing on getting their groups music show wins instead of hating on them for being successful.
@@fatimasummaray784 aespa hate is really forced lol they do nothing and there are 700k on a drag on tiktok 3 time
I don’t understand why they get so much hate they are so cute so talented good at dance !!
they´re only mad and jealous people
so well made and well researched especially the section about kakao/melon/charts, they’re shady but ive’s success is their own and no one made it for them… when it comes to skills there’s always room for improvement they’re a one year group we can’t expect them to be the best. they have good songs and are talented and attractive performers. that’s it.
In the end of the time... IVE only have DIVEs and we will always be with IVE no matter what happens in the future.. That's what I love about DIVEs
People are mad that a group that isn’t from the big 3 are a threat to big3 groups yet everyone complains about big3 privilege so make it make sense idk? 😭
(Yes I’m aware of all the other bullshit reasons people hate them for but I’ve noticed this as well)
K-pop stans are so predictable it’s not even surprising anymore
Just like BP people loved them when they started out new as rookies then they started to see how successful and popular they were getting and you know how some kpop fans get when they see a female group get all the success , jealousy starts to pour out from these kpop stans and now it’s happening to IVE , everyone and their mama were saying how love dive is the song of the year and the best comeback of the year now that they won the SOTY all of a sudden IVE don’t deserve it and everyone is mad that they won . Just give it a few years/months and see how almost everyone will start turning on this group cause they are getting successful just like they did with bp and Wonyoung is going to be the next Jennie cause Jennie was always a target for the bullies/haters
thank you so much for making this! i hope those antis see this, wake up and stop hating on such a hardworking and precious group 🥺
I shave actually not seen any hate towards Ive except for Wonyoung and also like some of their first encore stages so it was very interesting to hear this. I think they're stable in all areas tbh and they have their own strengths like most groups. I think something that also helped them gain fame is that their title tracks usually slap and they have a really nice kinda like luxurious teen concept ❤️
I shave 😂😂
Tysm for this content💛
Haters gonna hate but IVE gonna shine brighter than anything else
every 4th gen girl group gets hate for something but i feel like with ive there's a higher proportion of outcry over relatively minor things. most of the other groups have caught flak for having weak comebacks, "no" stage presence, lip-syncing, or other controversies but wonyoung got shit for...eating a strawberry?? rei got dunked on for "avoiding singing her parts" because she shouted out dives during an encore (and even if she was avoiding it, who cares?). i'm not gonna touch the attitude stuff bc i'm not korean but it just feels kinda ridiculous at this point, out of all the girl group rookies ive has had the most consistently appealing musical output (in the sense that they've been pretty solidly pop so far and haven't done any drastic stylistic 180s like le sserafim or veered into more experimental music like aespa or nmixx) so they're probably more likely to catch the interest of the general public. sure corporate meddling might've played a role, but that's just kind of a given in this industry - and the girls shouldn't catch the heat for it
Tbh I want ive to be more on crackhead side just like other grps out there but my girls are introverts and I respect that. Also, I don't have the right to say that they should act being crazy and all since I don't want them to lie to themselves. They have fun on their own and for that it's truly enough for me bc I love them and support them. A warm, calm, with a grain of salt chaos type of content from them are my escaped sometimes when my mind is messy.
Edit: Gago kaya extra yung love ko kay yujin kasi sya ung nagsisimula ng gulo sa grupo. I love her mindset talaga kaya sya ult ko e.🤣
I stumble to this video after being so frustrated to every damn hate IVE got. Let us all focus to our girls and they deserve DIVE's love. Thank you for this videooo
I feel like IVE are close but more in pair than as a group. When I watch their contents they're rarely together as 6. But as a duo or a trio.
it's because they always have individual shoots and jobs. you can watch their variety show 123 ive, it's an ot6 content :)
Finally, someone speaking facts. :) these crazy, toxic Kpop fans need to get a life and leave kpop groups be.
God I'm so TIRED. The amount of stupid takes I've seen about this group and the members is unbelievable. I'm especially annoyed by how these kpop stans claim to know everything about them, their personalities and their relationship with one another.
Taking clips out of context and over analyzing them as if they need to prove to the world that these girls somehow hate each other and are all stuck up and rude, especially when it comes to Wonyoung.
It is one thing to complain about favoritism, it is another to put all the blame on these teenage girls who likely don't even have a choice.
And don't even get me started on the unnecessary comparisons with the other post-Iz*One group, that is also absolutely ridiculous.
The way we see no hate about other rookie ggs (which is good) but IVE has billion videos there is at least three new videos everytime I scroll and it's sad that people are normlizing the hate towards them that even when someone defend them they be called "sensitive" and "toxic"???
Ive seen some bullshit like "educating doesnt mean hating waaa wy needs to fix her attitude we care abt her waaa" while the "bad attitude" is her "not bowing to txt" while in reality theyre bowing FIRST, and txt bows back to them. No, both groups arent caught in a bowing match bcs ive need to rush to the stage.
it's frustrating and sad that there is a hate hit tweet and tiktok hate vids about them blowing up. it's so organized that you can't help but think that there is someone who's paying for the haters to do this. it's so sad. you all can never make me hate ive.
me too always something bad too say about ive but when is newjeans or sserafim they are too good for ive
Frr , n I hv seen a lot of ppl say that even tho they dont search or watch ive hate content , their fyp in tiktok would be filled with these ive hate contents. I hv always thought that the ive hate is always perfectly timed with their controversies and their appearance in shows or achievements. It was revealed that someone was paying ppl to give hate comments to wonyoung so I won't be shocked if there is an organised group behind this hate against ive n wonyoung.
I'm not a fan but a casual listener but I quite like their music and the groups concept and as I said not a fan so I'm unaware of their group dynamics and their personality (even the ex-izone members) and for me they are definitely not the best 4th gen ggs but definitely talented and nobody deserves unnecessary hate these ppl really to calm down
P.s If I had to choose a fav it'd be Gaeul love her voice and she rocks the short hair I hope she gets more lines in their next cb
I agree with you that IVE is a 4th Generation Rookie Girl Group that gets a large amount of hate.
**But I would also like to include 2 other 4th Gen Rookie Girl Groups NMIXX and Kep1er that get quite a lot of hate as well.
The amount of times I have seen on social media ,these 3 girl groups get hated on is insane!
Nmixx and kep1er get the hate because of their music but ive everybody loves their music but the hate was For no reason even wonyoun everyday she got the hate for no reason aging but nmixx and kep1er not everyday or every week like ive did !!
@@rahafl9606 I agree with you that IVE members (especially Wonyoung get so much excessive unnecessary amount of hate for every thing she does)
•But I wanted to say that NMIXX and Kep1er also get hate not only for their music.
•NMIXX members get hate for their concept, that they plagiarized, the members called not talented for “over dancing or over singing”,insulting the members appearance and stage presence)
•For Kep1er members, they get hate for members for their talents, their concept,appearance, group chemistry,etc.
•None of these groups deserve get the large amount of hate they receive.
Actually nmixx gets hate because nobody likes their music. The members individually do not get hate like Wonyoung does.
@@hibeautym I think what you mean is that NMIXX gets hate because people don’t like their title tracks (O.O. And Dice)
I do agree with you that IVE gets unnecessary excessive amount of hate all of the time. Especially Wonyoung.
FINALLY SOMEBPDY TALKS EVERYTHING I COULD'NT.
facts only
thanks
IVE outsold
the only group I really stan is txt, and I wanted to get into ive because I love their music a lot and I love gaeul. I'm a little surprised at all the drama surrounding ive. I'm not active in any Kpop circles so it was a shocker to figure out the drama around this group like 4 days ago 😭 I only knew people didn't like wonyoung, but not everything else
I hope ur a real Gaul Stan and actually care about her and not use her to drag wony or victimize her to drag the other members.
@@isimpforjihyo3243 why would I even do that 💀
@@nongshimrizzforce i noticed I lot of Gaul Stan’s do that. but if ur going to Stan I’ve then welcome to the fandom❤
@@isimpforjihyo3243 I decided to stan ive now and my friend made fun of me for it, how strange
People are currently tryna momoland them by using 2 second footage from award season and making them seem rude for not bowing and saying wonyoung wants to be the center of attention. Like none of the idols there care bruh it was a 5 second moment that they’ve probably not thought back on once so idk why folks are trying to defame them based on nothing. It’s nice to see people haven’t learned from what happened to momoland, Kpop stans don’t change and the amount of likes that type of content gets is really disgusting of people.
The whole dynamic thing is so funny to me, bc if people saw how me and my friends are together, and especially in public considering we’re all introverts, they’d be sure we hate each other but in reality it’s the complete opposite.
Every kpop Stan used to like a rookie group until that gp surpass their fav
True! Just saw a YT short hating on Wooyoung for standing in the center in airport and crying for another member (don't know the name). As someone who is nothing, not even a fan (like you can say I have heard and love all their title songs), I find that video on another level of delusional and hate train.
They were all talking about lacking members bond and stuffs like that which I get why it can hinder someone's ability to like them but it's not like they physically fight or hate each other.
I don't understand the mindset of these children like stans. Why K-pop Stans becoming more weird and more toxic day by day? Or is it just me noticing this since it hasn't been that long since I started investing in K-pop industry outside of my faves?
i’m so glad i found your channel. this video is gold
RUclips captions called Leeseo "EsAu" wtf RUclips 🤔😂😰
Frrr I keep seeing tiktoks about them being supposedly “not close/not anything more than coworkers” like?? Y’all know nothing about idols’ group chemistry so why would you judge their friendship lol
mfs fr be acting like they know everything about everyone after watching a 5 second clip
I swear as soon as a kpop group becomes successful everyone turns their backs on them… bts, blackpink, twice, momoland, snsd, and now ive
kpop can't turn their back on BTS and BP.
Over 70% of kpop fans spend money on the names of these 2 groups in kpop.
Wonyoung is so cute i met her in person she's an angel ❤️
Some people can't consume the fact that a nonbig4 group got all the awards in every award show. This is what happens when you are making good music and smashing records. Everyone will want to bring them down by making up bullshit. Carry on haters. Ive will continue to make SOTY material songs and win every deserving award.
IVE getting all these hate because they're a threat to their faves as if these people we're not love diving for months
It also SUPER disgusting that gaul Stans only care about the other members when they can drag wony and The only care about Gaul when they can drag wony. Most Gaul Stans just use Gaul to drag wony and don’t actually care about Gaul. (. Most don’t care about Gaul but some actually do like me bc I’m ot6) and it’s gross how they use Gaul only for dragging wony. And it’s sad bc in reality Gaul doesn’t have much real fans who actually care about her and support her. And it’s sad that she is used as a excuse to hate the other members
You're right, people shouldn't be using her to drag the other members, but those are just people that token stan her just to talk badly about the other girls. Gaeul actually has a lot of real fans now since she got more popular and her real fans mostly just talk about how they wished she had more lines but without dragging the others.
@@soft4taeng yeah I no not all but I seen a lot with the wonyoung and Gaul thing on a wonyoung hate vid
If you don’t like a group then don’t listen to them and watch their content. Literally so easy to do! If you don’t think they didn’t deserve SOTY then leave ur opinion and move on. Haters so miserable i swear!
I wish IVE the best and hope they don’t see all this hate 🤍
The ONLY thing I disagree with is starship not being a big company. I like to see it as this: companies are ranked at different levels.
Tier A: SM, YG, JYP (pioneered kpop. From the contracts, to the dating bans, down to the idol and trainee system. Also longevity. SUJU, SNSD, BoA, BigBang, 2NE1, TVXQ, Wonder Girls, SHINee, 2PM. Regardless of if you like them you cannot deny they’re presence in the kpop industry especially among idols)
Tier B: HYBE (the only reason I rank them here is because they really blew up for bts solely. Now don’t get me wrong, they did a LOT for kpop outside of Asia. And I do think hybe is a part of big4 (I heard that yg I think? Wasn’t considered big3 anymore and hybe is but don’t quote me), but they set the standards for new generations. SM has vocals, JYP has dance and yg has rap. Hybe has all 3, and with bts, followed by txt breaking in followed by Enhypen FOLLOWED by le Sserafim and now newjeans)
Tier C: Starship, Pledis, Cube (I don’t consider these “none big companies), seeing as they DO have/did have very popular groups and artists like sistar, Monsta x, seventeen, HyunA, beast, 4minute, fromis_9 and now IVE. Cravity is the main group now that’s not that big. And I know pledis is now under hybe but they were “big” before then. Like starship is a company that most people would prefer to go to if they don’t get into the first three. Most of their groups do good or have some kind of notoriety. They may not be an snsd but they set standards as well. Most people were shocked to see Wonyoung and Yujin under starship on produce because it’s considered a big company. While they don’t have that immense worldwide backing of big3, in no way will their groups do extremely bad especially starship, it’s a big company due to have big names outside of the big3
Tier D: FNC, IST, KQ, etc… (these are just smaller companies that can throw out good groups like the Boyz, sf9, p1harmony, ateez, but they aren’t checked for. FNC debuted p1harmony but no one was like “let me check them out because they’re under FNC/they’re sf9’s juniors)
Anyways I know this was long but I agree with most of the video lol. I think the hate people have for Wonyoung overshadows everything as well. I also see how people were saying they’d take Itzy’s spot but now that Itzy is “falling off” people are blaming ive and saying they aren’t even that talented blah blah. And most of them say “they don’t even have good talent they just have Wonyoung bringing fame and she can’t sing” I agree. Most of it is jealousy. IVE is above average in talent, just barely, but they make good music, can hold a note, keep a fun dance and the members are visuals. They don’t lack in anything. With Itzy, it’s they make crappy music or they can’t sing, with Aespa it’s they lipsync and have horrendous stage presence, with StayC it’s they’re concepts aren’t as fun, with weeekly it’s they don’t like the girl crush concept, with newjeans it’s they’re too young, with LSF it’s Garam (discourse online not all are my opinions). Like it’s always something but IVE is consistent at their talent and stages. Nothing to hate on unless people just want to be malicious
thank you for this video. i really feel like ive is getting so much hate lately. they arent perfect and they arent the most skilled but i still think they have a lot of charm. i like their voices and i like their performances and im sure they will keep on improving. i think its impossible for the hate not to effect them but i hope they still have the strength to keep on improving
You're brilliant! Thank you for this!!
Your video is honestly the best video I’ve seen on this subject. You are so sensible and reasonable and have all your facts in check. You touched on EVERYTHING I’ve been leaving replies left and right to comments of people speaking utter nonsense and spreading hate. I wish people exercised critical thinking and individuality more instead of being mindless sheeps following whatever others say. But some are dead set on hating IVE so no matter the proof you give them they will never change their minds. My personal fav however is the kakao privilege claims LMAO yes, all other Starship groups are over here struggling with mediocre or bellow levels of success but KaKaO HaS AlL tHiS PoWeR tO RiG tHe InDuStRy lmao. Starship has been trying to make Monsta X happen for 7 YEARS working those boys to the BONE sending them left and right, releasing comeback after comeback english, korean, japanese yet nobody cared so HOW does this privilege work exactly? But they know the truth, they just don’t wanna admit it, they can’t stand how organic the love for IVE has been so they try to justify it somehow else.
That one moment when Wonyoung asked Leeseo is she wore her sweater, they said Wonyoung has some bad attitude for asking if its hers
people throw rocks at things that shines...
People do not have the ability to celebrate someone's success. Reminder: IVE is an extremely young group collectively (age) so seeing people bash them behind their PC screens is not a look.
thank you for this video!! someone had to say this
they're getting the popularity they deserve.. don't get why most haters are girls themselves. like we get it, you're jealous, but stop spamming hate everywhere
It must be hard for the girls to be constantly judged ( Especially Wonyoung ). People overanalyzing their relashionship , pitting them against each other.. I hope the girls are strong enough with the amount of hates they get , for the dumbest things...
IVE has very trendy and catchy songs, but they do lack of the performance. It's very visible in yearend award shows. They don't have that charisma, energy on their performance even vocal prowess to wow their audience. They suited more on radio, streaming and intimate crowd settings.
yute from nct has also been on vogue japan
Wonder where that hate comes from?
Or do those haters only love " just one group, their fave"?
Geez, how narrow minded.
If there was just one group to love, male or female, in K-Pop wouldn't that be sad? We'd miss so much talent and creativity
to watch & listen to.
Hate another group, because you want your fave to get all the attention? How selfish is That!
Besides, listening to what's said in this video,
it's like Hating a particular group is like in fashion!
Something new is popular, everybody wants it/ or is doing it... So i'm gonna do it too?
Don't those haters have a mind of their own?
Following others... because others hate IVE?
PLEASE... ( Shaking my head)
I like a lot of K- groups.. I support them all.
And like IVE too.
and the most successful rookie of 2022
Not that it diminishes IVE struggles cause for sure they are getting hated like no tomorrow and for no reason, but I believe Nmixx is more hated at the moment. I don't stand either, I'm a casual listener of IVE and a casual listener of NMIXX's cover, so I believe I'm pretty impartial. IVE it has the worst side of the Jennie favouritism and it girl. Not being from big 3 and her being from iz*one makes her subject of favouritism, which would be fine since many checked IVE because of her. Also saying they aren't talented just because they are not the best vocalist, when their forte is clearly charming performance, their voices are fine and their rap too, they are rookies for god's sake let them improve. As for NMXX let them breath, you really made some of the best performers doubt themselves because you don't like their music? The girls were able to keep up with Aju Nice, Seventeen is one of the best performance group to date, stables with amazing vocals, dance and rap. I don't have an opinion on their rap much, but the girls are the most stables live performers right now especially with vocally domanding songs, I mean itzy is stable too, but the song are less vocal focused. I think that is really dumb hating of some rookies that have a whole career in front of them, some people need to get a life
You're absolutely crazy lol, Nmixx is the most loved k-pop rookie girl group, they don't even get a quarter of the amount of hate Aespa and IVE get, what really got hated was O.O, Tank and Dice just really a little bit, and i am obviously not surprised why people don't hate their fans, they are the embodiment of toxic and have a superiority complex but people hate dives and mys and dare to say they're the most toxic, that just really shows that k-pop stans pick villains.
Nmixx get the hate because of their music just and the people loves their vocals and dance skills but ive everybody loves their music but the hate was For no reason even wonyoung everyday she got the hate for no reason , but nmixx not everyday or every week like ive did !!
Nmixx is barely hated, the only things they get is because of their music but everyone blames JYP and not the girls. The only bad thing i’ve really seen is people making fun of the way Lily stands but that’s it
@@emptyteardrops I have seen thoughout social media people not liking NMIXX music and concept (mostly their title tracks)
•but also I have seen people say that the members are not talented because they are “over singing or overdancing”, insulting the members appearance and stage presence)
•like you said making fun on the way Lily stands but I think that become like a meme now.
•I agree though IVE and NMIXX should not deserve get the large amount of hate they receive.
well said! 🎯 thank you for making this video!
I've Wonyoung has got alot of hate. But as a group NMIXX has gots lots of hate not only because of their music but each and everything
as much as i agree with the video the only thing i disagree with is "kpop fans didnt even know about kakao before ive" while i obviously can't speak for all kpop fans, and i by NO MEANS believe coming from a company owned by kakao gives you some type of privilege, kpop fans with any interest in distribution did know about kakao. i would assume most loona fans and any ist fan is aware of kakao and the companies they work with.
what is the boyz and loona getting from kakao privilege btw? i've been long in kpop and i've only heard kakao privilege so loud after ive doing well out of anyone's expectation
@@rabbitwonyo9270 did not say they get kakao privilege lmao. literally said it doesn’t exist. was simply replying to the comment “people didn’t even know kakao owned companies before this because a talking point because of ive” which i personally disagree with, because there are certain fandoms who had knowledge of kakao, their companies, and the distribution process long before ive debuted.
haters are jealous because THEY KNOW ive WILL be successful
that’s just show that they are successful lol, bp,bts,itzy,skz etc had a hate train and they are super successful and popular l too but I hope the Hate train stops
3:00 so iconic.
I didnt see hate against the band BUT bruh every weeks those fvckin hater do wanna do woonyoung the garam treatment, bruh the amount of hates she gets even within their fandom is next level baffling
I love IVE so much 💓