Spongebob's Awful Spin-Off's
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With the announcement of not only a 4th theatrical Spongebob movie, but also the reveal of 3 spin-off Paramount Plus movies, I feel like this is the perfect time to go in-depth to the two currently released Spongebob Squarepants Spin-offs: Kamp Koral and The Patrick Star Show, to see if they really do taint the series' image as much as people say.
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3:23 Sponge on the Run
5:18 Kamp Koral
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20:22 Conclusion
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Damn u numarkL I wanted to be firstsh >:(
@@glossymistake3114 what
The incorrect apostrophe in the title is hurting my feelings.
@@glossymistake3114 dumn yiu glozzy miztoke
@@thefoxcritic1 oh noooo I see it now
I feel like modern Spongebob tries too hard to make every frame look like a meme.
same
Yes
it's all for meme fuel
Yet the original seasons weren’t trying to make memes, but look where we are now 99% of the memes come from Seasons 1,2 and 3. It’s pretty interesting really
just like Gumball was. trying to hard to be like every other cartoon that did Other cartoon /anime references.
I like how the point of "Ripped Pants" episode from season 1 is teaching us that repeating the same thing for the sake of being funny over and over makes it unfunny and annoying yet it seems like that's what modern Spongebob is. Also to talk about Patrick, one thing that made him a great character in season 1 and 2 was how it almost looked like he was putting a persona of him being stupid just to look like an asshole. He even asks Spongebob when he wakes up is it time to ruing Squidward's day already in the episode "Home Sweet Pineapple"
right exactly. When in reality it was visibly shown that Patrick was mariginally intelligent, chill, laid-back and was also good at coaching to. Given how did help Spongebob with his table manners when Spongebob was gonna visit Sandy in the episode where he first met her
and how he motivated Spongebob to get his job in the first place
I respect your opinion
@@Du-yw1pz Patrick even got Spongebob tricked with The Box in that after he left, he actually had something hidden which in truth is what Spongebob feared in one of his secret assumptions
@@Thomasmemoryscentral right exactly. Modern Patrick would've easily let him look in the box and also would've instantly forgot that he wasn't supposed to let him look if "The Box" would've been a new episode of Spongebob today -_-
Right
Squidward is meant to represent the bitterness and cynicism of adulthood, which makes him a foil to SpongeBob's childlike optimism. Making him a bitter and cynical as a child completely ruins the point of his character, almost as if the writers have no idea what they're doing.
Not to mention the “funny” harms of squidward
It would've been much better if Squidward was another chaperone like Mr. Krabs, keeping his foil to Spongebob, but making him less bitter because he knows Spongebob's just a kid.
@@bonedude1286i like that idea because it'd give a reason for squidward to dislike spongebob in the present, since he's seen how Spongebob refused to grow up.
Yea fr also the fact they cannonly didn’t know each other as children SpongeBob introduced himself to him when he moved into his house
Um Squidward was a camp counselor not a child on Kamp Koral what they should have done is shown a young Squidward when he had his hair
The thing about Patrick, and Cosmo too since they play similar roles, is that they weren’t too stupid to function. When they explained things, even if they were wrong, you could understand how they got to that point.for an example, in the second episode Patrick tells spongebob that sandy is “fancy” and that he needed to put his pinky up, which btw is technically true, but he wasn’t a moron, just didn’t give the best advice, but he was always well meaning Abd had a reasonable logic to his decisions
Yeah old Patrick was just ignorant and would never get the full scope of things, while now he has the IQ of an average Tiktok “influencer”
What similar type of advice did Cosmo give?
@@Kyumifun I can’t think of a specific scenario, but I remember in season 1 especially the first few episodes, cosmo and Wanda were shown to be madly in love, to the point where they’d sometimes be clueless. Cosmo was meant to be more street smart and Wanda book smart. They even called themselves two halves of a whole idiot
I've said this once and I'll say it again, The Patrick Star Show should've done like a late night talkshow-esque theme and have Patrick talk with various SpongeBob characters & wacky antics ensue, an even wilder concept for this idea is other Nicktoons both old and new just show up and it just goes from there and have some intertwined skits between the interviews, could've been fun like a Eric Andre Show but for kids going on for the show but instead we got that.....
That's actually not a bad concept. I would've love to see something interesting like that happen
or they should've just had it be an episode of Spongebob similiar to Tentacle-vision from Season 7
So like nick snl
@@sirswellow7210 Yeah something like that
Thats a great concept for a cartoon! Too bad the people doing the Patrick Star Show didn't think to try it like that...
I always thought that if Spongebob had to have a spin-off, it should've been a super hero action comedy with Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy in their youth.
That should've been the obvious choice!
They ded tho so they can't.
@@GayKermit-._-. Yeah, but Ernest Borgnine and Tim Conway didn't voice the young versions of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy, so it could have still been done.
That's what I've been saying!
@@NeoKokoro20 if you mean from that time travel episode, adam west is dead too.
I’m so glad you mentioned how overly expressive modern spongebob is. In old spongebob, every time we got a funny new expression, it was like a little treat because it was done so sparingly. I feel like that’s a part of why so many of those expressions are seen in memes 20 years later, because they were so unique that we could still remember them even after all this time
ITS NOT OVERLY EXPRESSIVE THE FACES ARE HILARIOUS
I think it’s because the new writers of the show used to work on Ren & Stimpy or something.
@@vanderquakSP One of the current showrunners for SpongeBob is Vincent Waller. He worked on the show during season 1 and returned during season 4, taking over as co-showrunner a few years ago. He did work on Ren And Stumpy for a bit, but he wasn't on there as much as SpongeBob.
I also hate the stretching limbs. In most of seasons 11-12 they'll have the characters' arms stretch when they're expressive, and sometimes give them fingernails. Like ew?
When is the sponge bob movie:battle for moscow?
I love how Camp Lazlo was an attempt to cash in on Spongebob's popularity, but now Spongebob more or less inadvertently ripped off Camp Lazlo in turn.
Ze Fuc
but camp lazlo is still better then spongebob now its the best cartoon at least camp lazlo isnt being milked. like cartoons like Scooby doo and tmnt and spiderman all the time for new cartoons that end up being bad
@@Nathan-Explosion Camp Lazlo is much better than the new Spongebob bs that's coming out, for sure.
I didn't like it when I was a kid though. I found it cringe and finished about 1 or 2 episodes because I really tried, and I have an inkling that I'd not love it as an adult either.
Glanni you dont even kno the meaning. of the word cringy cringy is stuff like southpark Simpsons and family guy. expessially Rick and morty. and Rick and morty and Naruto and Dragonball z are the worst cringey cause there merch is everywere Camp lazlo barely had merch at all when i think of cringy i think of the Simpsons southpark rick and morty and Dbz and Naruto extremly even beyblade is consider cringy cause of all the spin offs it got hell even Adventure time is anther word for cringy cause after the main series ended they had to make a minecraft show of it+ a lesbian Spin off show with bubble gum and marceline now thats cringy.
plus Rocko modern life wasnt funny ether same creator if u mean by cringy. but nicktoons from the 90s do cringe too with there merch everywere plus most of the 90s cartoons werent even funny ether they were ok to watch at best but not funny.
@@Nathan-Explosion Just because you think of other shows as cringy doesn't mean I don't know the meaning though. That's flawed logic and also subjective. I just know that I had the sensation of cringing whenever I saw Camp Lazlo. If you like it that's fine. And it doesn't mean that I think _you're_ cringe just for liking it btw. Heck, I like stuff that's probably considered cringe by lots of people.
It’s honestly sad how SpongeBob once went from a franchise with passion and now it’s just a money cash grab product and these spin-offs are truly the biggest example why.
Can they even get good video games? It seems most of the 2010s spongebob games are pretty mediocre at best and boring at worse
The main show still seems like it has some people who still care writing on it, just that all the spin-offs are emblematic of the corporate attitude toward it
@@Thomasmemoryscentral the only newest good SpongeBob game to come out is Battle for Bikini Bottom remake which is the same game from the 2000s and that’s just sad. (I’m not counting the crossover game btw)
@@FlowAaron that came out in 2020 so it's not a 2010's game. That makes spongebob hero pants in 2015 as the last 2010's game on major consoles and boy is it such a bore
@@Thomasmemoryscentral yea I know bruh
I'm really happy you addressed how annoyingly expressive SpongeBob is now. While yes SpongeBob did have wacky expressions, it wasn't ALL the time. It made the faces and gags all the more memorable. I don't even think Looney Tunes went this far.
That was mostly the bob clampett toons
Y'know, as a lifelong Looney Tunes enjoyer, I've noticed more & more that people consider the animation in those cartoons to be more rubbery/buckwild than they really are.
Like the comment above said, only Bob Clampett's LT shorts are like that, & even those have some structure with how the characters move & are built, a method to the madness.
Otherwise, the shorts by other directors (while still expressive & slapstick-heavy) were a fair bit more grounded.
Oh yes. Clampett's cartoons were always the most stretchy and slapsticky, like Draftee Daffy, Falling Hare, and Kitty Kornered. The recent reboot Looney Tunes Cartoons seems to fall alongside his formula.
@@tjh6678 There was a lot of snap to Looney Tunes cartoons. A great example would be The Dover Boys where the poses seemed to snap in place. Gave it the comedy a lot of punch. Now (at least in SpongeBob's case) it's flows from point a to point b with no breaks.
The new wacky Spongebob makes me irritated. Seriously, it's TOO annoying.
I always thought the brilliance of Patrick in the early seasons is that he was somehow dumb and wise at the same time
Spongebob was once such a wholesome and heartfelt show. But of course, if something is popular, studios will greedily milk every last cent out of it until there's nothing left but a dry, corperate, hollow husk of what it used to be. I do wonder what would have happened if Spongebob ended after the first movie like it was originally supposed to...
Also, yeah. Announcing a bunch of spin-offs literally right after Hillenberg's death was in very poor taste and really comes off as scummy. They should have at least waited longer.
Capitalism
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@@kx7500capitalism has nothing to do with the cartoon
@@ronaldomontero3624 it literally does, the comment literally described capitalism.
@@kx7500 no u
I know a lot of people hate all of modern SpongeBob but I feel like there's a distinction between the modern show and the spinoffs. Even though the show is different now from it's prime there's still clearly artistic vision, I don't get that from kamp koral
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I think people have known that spongebob have improved for years now
Yes “artistic vision” such as making SpongeBob gay
@@SCP--oz6oz yeah i hated that episode where spongebob becomes gay and has the gay buttse- actually forget it
Glad to see LS Mark hitting the nail on the head of why I didn't like Kamp Koral.
The reason why "Kid Spinoffs" are usually made it's because executives sometimes feel like the original characters are too old for the demographic that they want to appeal to, and so think that making the characters younger will make them more relatable while also giving them more "freedom" to do activities adults no longer do but kids do. But Spongebob as a character was created in a very smart way that made that issue a non-problem, because his child-like innocence made up for his neublous adult age, allowing him to adapt to any kind of scenario with easy. If a episode calls for Spongebob to act like a kid, he can do that because of his overall childish attitude; If the episode calls for something more related to adult things like getting your drivers license or working at a job? Spongebob would still adapt to that environment while still being appealing to all-ages.
"Spongebob goes to a Summer Camp" could have easily happened in the regular shows regardless of his age because that's how easy Spongebob as an archetype can adapt to a story. Ironically, I'd say Kamp Koral actually LIMITS what Spongebob can do, because by locking him at a certain age, they basically restrict things that kid Spongebob can do that adult Spongebob could always do, despite the fact adult Spongebob could do anything kid spongebob could do as well.
If I had been put to make Kamp Koral, I'd probably have made it about Spongebob being a camp counselor and the shenanigans that'd ensue by having someone like him run a camp. His childish mind would still allow him to do kids stuff but also the new role and setting could have opened the doors for new characters (whatever they'd have been better written or not) and unique situations that the regular show wouldn't be able to fully do. and even THEN, this idea I had, while better, could have easily been done as a regular episode anyways...
Well put!
So Camp Lazlo, but Lumpus has the personality of Rocko.. Neat.
I like your idea of SpongeBob being a camp counselor as a matter of fact it would be a great way to introduce that character gnarly narwhal. Imagine this for an episode where SpongeBob as a camp counselor has to make sure that the kids are doing okay but when it comes to Gnarly narwhal while she is a kind-hearted character she's a little bit extreme usually getting her and SpongeBob into major trouble
@@amesstarline5482 Funny since I think both Rocko and Lazlo were made by the same guy.
That's actually interesting.
Just a reminder squidward was supposed to get his own spin-off on Netflix at one point but then Paramount plus became a thing and it was cancelled
That was cancelled? Darn, that was the only one that sounded somewhat interesting! it was supposed to be about his music career, we might've finally seen him _not_ suffer for once.
Paramount Plus ruins everything.
What I hate the most was that these things were announced, AFTER Stephen Hillenburg had died.
He said it himself that he doesn’t see Spongebob ever having spin-offs at all, but these shows getting announced as soon as he kicked the bucket?
They basically *waited* for him to die just so he can’t stop them from making these!!!
Shut up, man. I'm dead.I don't care if they're making spin-offs or disrespecting me, just shut up and let me rest already, please.
@@SteamingHillenturds You’re not Hillenburg.
@@SteamingHillenturds Gee, that's pretty tasteful of you.
@@SteamingHillenturdscringe
@@SteamingHillenturdsyou're being disrespectful to the late Hillenburg
I feel sorry for Tom Kenny having to work even harder, considering there's more than one Spongebob show now. It's remarkable how the man hasn't blown out his Spongebob voice having done it for over 20 years by this point. I'm sure he's being paid well, but I worry they'll make him wear his voice out.
Personally I think his voice isn’t as good anymore. I miss his chiller voice from the original seasons
@@paulgilbert5278 Yeah I prefer his old voice.
Same with Julie Kavner from the Simpsons. I dont think Tom or Julie can last much longer yelling a lot into a microphone and shouldnt both shows end before one of them dies? It's bad enough Hank Azaria isnt allowed to voice Apu anymore and fox actually thinks replacing the minority characters with cheap replacement actors is "progressive but both shows have run their course"
@@Zelnyair I think both shows should also end before either of them dies because replacing them could probably be next to impossible. It's similar to how Van Halen disbanded by Wolfgang after his father died because he believed you cany have the band without Eddie.
Spongebob and The Simpsons without Tom and Julie is the same, their voices made these main characters and once they die, your show is pretty much dead
@@paulgilbert5278 thats why his voice is off when he tryed to do heffer again from the rocko modern life movie and even spyro kinda sounded diffrent.
Kamp Koral just seems like the ultimate disrespect for SpongeBob as a franchise
Not just that, but it's copying Camp Lazlo
My thoughts exactly.
I disagree because there were a lot of spin-off based on popular cartoon franchise where main characters are turn into kids show Kamp Koral isn't nothing new
@@animezilla4486
That's actually a point for it being disrespectful. It's a trope to make spinoff shows where the main characters are kids just to milk the series for more money.
He worked on Kamp Koral.
The fact that they forgot Patrick already has parents and a sister and fake parents is ridiculous
I'm honestly shocked at the fact that Nickelodeon decided to make another spinoff designated to the dumb comic relief character of a pre-existing show, considering how Planet Sheen flopped so hard years ago.
Maybe they just have long-term memory loss
I mean spongebobs a more well known franchise, so they probably thought that a spongebob spinoff would work better.
I’m surprised Disney isn’t doing the exact same thing with The Simpsons.
Fun Fact: The Simpsons itself is a spin-off of another show called The Tracy Ullman Show. They had shorts of the titular Simpsons.
matt groening is still alive
Don't tempt fate.
That's true but they have been doing numerous crossovers with characters from other Disney properties, especially with those Disney + exclusive shorts.
If that happens,it’ll be ironic since Simpson made fun of having spin-offs with their what if spin-offs showcase episode.
Though chief Wiggum p.i will be far superior to any potential Disney Simpson spin-off
I think the spinoffs coming right after Hillenberg's death was more bad timing than grave defiling. I really doubt that Hillenberg not wanting a spinoff of Nick's cash cow had any weight or say on what went down, assuming he didn't want them in the first place.
Personally I don't think he could of stopped spin offs if Nick wanted them. Their timing makes it come off as very grave defiling though. He did openly say he doesnt want spongebob to have spin offs and if it does then he would leave spongebob. The moment he "leaves" (rest his soul) Nick has multiple spin offs ready to go. Thats what really makes it suck. A spin off doesn't get the green light that fast yet they had more than one in just a few months. That is sus.
Yeah. The fans aren't doing any better either. I remember being upset about the Kamp Koral's announcement after the Superbowl 2019 with Sicko Mode being played instead of "Sweet Victory". I think that is justified why people got angry over spin-offs in the first place.
Also, Stephen said that he "don't see spin-offs", not "want spin-offs".
He did change his mind towards spin-offs.
Regardless of how he aactually thought about this, it's funny how his quote from way back when ended up coming true. "The moment they turn them into babies is the moment I'm out of here"
@@lukebytes5366 That's the eerie part. Stephen knew he had no control of what could happen to his show that he was passionate about. I think the failure of these spinoffs is a result of disrespecting his wishes, no doubt.
Spooky
I feel like the problem with the new animation is that Nickelodeon saw the Spongebob memes using frames from past episodes, thought "Hey, we can do that!", and then hamfisted every frame with a wacky facial expression in desperate hope that people will make memes out of them.
And it sadly worked. I saw a meme using some images from a newer episode once.
You can really feel the effect of millennials who grew up with the show starting to work on it now. It's ironically making the show worse because they're trying too hard to make it like the old show
Let's all get real. If they made Squidward somewhat of a happy person and slowly over the progression of time having to deal with SpongeBob and Patrick all the camp season and that's why he hates them that would've actually been a good plot point (I don't think Squidward would be rude towards everyone that might be because of something else and not SpongeBob and Patrick.)
This is the perfect example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
Damn nick, when will you ever learn.
Don't feed the troll boys
Samething with the Fairly OddParents Fairly Odder.
Not like they care, or ever will. Their goal is money and they'll try to make it no matter the quality as we seen
@@Lovefortea448 Can they at least learn that making too many redundant spin-offs can lose money? Sometimes, films and TV shows flop and cost more money than they make because no one wants to buy them when it does not give them what they wanted or hoped to get out of it. That is why Terminator: Dark Fate and Space Jam: A New Legacy failed so much. Who's to say Kamp Koral or the next three Spongebob Paramount+ movies or Fairly Odder will not be the next victim to crash into the category of failed attempts at soulless nostalgic cash-grabs? If making more and more money regardless of quality, or _attempting_ to do so, does not make the Kamp Koral jerks happy, *nothing will.* You have to draw the line somewhere. In the SB episode Selling Out, even the money-loving Mr. Krabs had to learn this when he made a big mistake selling out his Krusty Krab business, because they ruined how Krabby Patties were made and he bought it back for full price, even though they gave him the option to buy it back for half the price, because no amount of money was worth it to Mr. Krabs to just sell out for enough money to retire. My point is, no greedy business is too big to fail and making a weaker, watered-down Spongebob out of Kamp Koral does not necessarily equal more money from the same audience. Unless you are literally a robot with no humanity or feelings, and money is your only directive to stay alive. March 2, 2022, 1:53am
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The 2D Sandy juxtaposed with the 3D world just really highlights how horrible the 3D is.
It's probably due to the lighting that made the 3D looks bad, but the animation looks the same as the 2D one. The CGI reminds me that of Fanboy and Chum Chum or Back at the Barnyard for some reason.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 yeah, the 3d animation itself it's good, but the light is bad. The colors looks so dead, couldn't they just increase the sun light?
@@willian2848 Yeah. Maybe the TV budget isn't the same as the movie budget, hence why the lighting looks cheap. Even Jimmy Neutron has better lighting despite the animation is outdated for 2000s standard, but aged like fine wine at its best.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 I don't know why the bugdet is relevant for the light brightness. I work with 3d animation and it just takes literally one click to increase the light. Also, they could saturate the colors using the editing software.
I'm not saying I would make a better show i just don't know why would they chose to not make brighter colors.
It’s not horrible
Hollywood should take some notes from Finding Dory. In this Spin-off of Finding Nemo, Dory was not just comedic. She had some goofy moments, but Nothing To The Extreme. She had a complex backstory where we get to learn about her parents and where she got her strengths like Speaking Whale, reading human text, and her "Just Keep Swimming" line. Plus, It was super heartwarming to see her reunite with her parents and to hear them tell her that regardless of her condition, Dory is capable of doing anything. Finding Dory gave the title character some depth, and I was capable of understanding and feeling for her as a result.
Now I'm not saying that Patrick Star needs to be EXACTLY like Dory, but Besides being comedic, he should have more heart and soul put into his spin-off show, and not just focus on him being silly for the sake of it.
The best way to describe the animation/art style of _Kamp Koral_ is, I think, "off-putting". SpongeBob and 3D animation just do not go together.
Unless there’s a high enough budget
Sponge out of Water
I mean you can, if done well.
Say what you will about the spin-offs, it was still pretty uncalled for when people openly harassed the employees making them who were only just doing their job.
Always remember. Hate the Product, not the one behind it
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It was perfectly called for
@@deadchanel1298 In this case I think it's safe to say that the viacom executives are exempt from this
I see you a lot on live streams
At this point, it's clear they're just trying to make Spongebob their Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny kinda mascot. Mickey Mouse is a blank slate. He's black and white, and doesn't live anywhere, he doesn't have a certain set of rules or continuity whereas Spongebob does. You can't turn Spongebob into a mascot, but that's exactly what Nickelodeon or Paramount or whatever's trying to do now that Stephen Hillengburg's dead, which is just depressing.
Also doesn't help that Spongebob is the one show really keeping Nickelodeon's head above the water these days, hence why it's on so much. I believe Disney was the same with Mickey and his friends in the 30s before Snow White came out in '37. He was pretty much their only profit.
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He wasn’t totally against Spin-offs he was just extremely hesitant because he knew how easily wrong or sell out it could be. But he did say once he did want to try spin offs someday
Hillenburg never directly denounced the idea of a spinoff, he simply stated that he didnt see a spin off happening. That got lost in translation through fans eventually leading many to think that he outright didnt want any spinoffs
True. It looks like the fans just jumped to conclusion into thinking that Nickelodeon made a crime. I get it! Nick is always shady when it comes to business (like cancelling other shows that isn't Spongebob or Loud House [or Fairly Oddparents formerly]), but this is one of the times when fans are in the wrong.
@Logan Roof News what do you get out of doing this
@Logan Roof News Can you like, not?
@@princessaur why doesn't RUclips do anything about this
@today was a good day omg lsmark has gotten so popular RUclips spammers have appeared on his videos 😱
I thought I was the only one who didn’t like the new animation of Modern SpongeBob. It’s just…..too wacky for me. I’m 18 and I still genuinely enjoy the original, early and even mid season episodes
Yea, same. Guess I grew out of it
Same here, I was rewatching the 1st season recently and had a great time
Heard two of the storyboard writers from Ren & Stimpy are working on it now, so that explains why it's so over the top.
Now, wacky over the top animation works for Ren & Stimpy. It doesn't for SpongeBob.
I actually enjoyed both though. The animation in the later seasons feels like it's Ren and Stimpy (and it make sense when one of the animators of the show become the lead animator for Spongebob).
THE ANIMATION IS PERFECT ITS EVEN BETTER
I only just now realized that if they did make "The Patrick Show" be an in-universe show, they could have easily hand waved the issue of not using the original concepts for Patrick's parents and Sam by just showing them being replaced with "better" co-stars.
I really don’t see why SpongeBob needs a spin-off series, let alone two. Like, all three of them have the same structure of being 10-minute long comedies. The only thing separating them is the different animation styles, and even then, the Patrick Show isn’t that stylistically different from the OG show right now.
I also dont get why Nickelodeon thought a spinoff could work given the 3rd spongebob film is a film length Wheres Gary
Not even Hillenberg asked for a spin off series. Yet Nick made it anyway because money.
@@PlahaKumar He knew about Kamp Koral.
@@PlahaKumar He knew about Kamp Koral.
plus they wanna make it worse by makeing 4 more movies of spongebob
I agree with this on so many levels. The original was okay as it is, but since Nickelodeon saw this as an opportunity, they just lap up all the content and make it a spin off, something the creator NEVER wanted. I’m not saying these spin offs are awful, but still pretty bad for the most part. I stick with the classic, and it’s what we all grow up with. Sadly, generation Z children are gonna grow up with this crap. We can’t change that.
Actually, Mr. Hillenburg never knew about the spin-offs, I believe since that’s what I heard.
@@avathorman5781 If I made that mistake, my bad. But we still didn’t need these spin-offs.
@@avathorman5781 yes he did
@@avathorman5781 he knew about kamp koral, that's all the info we have
I agree, however the youngest member of Gen Z was born in 2012 and is 10 years old now, so I doubt even the youngest member of Gen Z is going to grow up with a show meant for little kids. However, the next generation of kids born after the early 2010’s, which is supposedly called “Generation Alpha”, are the ones who may grow up with this show.
They’ll also grow up with even worse/uncreative kid’s content on RUclips, which makes me sad because the kid shows I watched growing up (Thomas The Tank Engine, The Wiggles, The Teletubbies, Blue’s Clues, Elmo’s World, The Ruff Ruffman show, etc., plus Yo Gabba Gabba because my younger brother watched it) were full of creativity, charm, and experimentation.
You don’t really see that as often anymore I feel like, since the most popular stuff for parents to show kids is things like Kid’s RUclips (blegh and ew), and shows like Paw Patrol (which I feel is less creative and charming than kids shows I watched).
I’m not trying to be an old man shaking my fist at the youngins, but it just makes me sad that a lot of kids won’t grow up with the same awesome kids shows that I did, or shows like them.
I really, really wanted a show about Squidward and his past. Squidward and Mr.Krabs are both hinted to have super complex origin stories for why they are the way they are.
I think the issue with the new animation is it just feels very fast and stretchy. The animation is stellar, but comparing it old to new, characters constantly bounce and stretch as they move, so when there’s more slapstick elements it doesn’t feel that’s abnormal. Just seems like them reacting like how they would normally.
"In a show where anything goes, it's hard to get invested in what's going on."
THANK YOU. I say that half the time and people are like "It's a cartoon, it's not supposed to make any sense." Cartoon or not you have to tell SOME kind cohesive story. Otherwise it's just junk food for your eyes. Random crap you'll forget as soon as it's over.
Facts
That's kinda how I feel about modern SpongeBob in general.
Mid season spongebob (Seasons 6-8) is mean spiritedly bad but the modern seasons (S9-12) are so fucking boring in general. To me at least, it just seems like the staff just doesn't care anymore about telling a coherent story with great character moments. I feel like all it's focused on now is just trying to get a cheap laugh of the audience (mainly from fetuses and embryos). It's just stupidity for the sake of stupidity. With Modern Simpsons, as awful as it is now. At least I can sense effort most of the time and some of the worst episodes of the show (Alone Again Natura-Diddly and Bart vs. Itchy & Scratchy) could work if written properly and executed with care. With SpongeBob, it's just not the case. SpongeBob used to be a more laid back, wholesome show but now it just seems to appeal to the ADHD viewers out there.
To be fair, SpongeBob was never a deep show to begin with. However, thanks to the clever writing and phenomenal character moments. You were able to have relate to them and sympathize with them and have these episodes resolve themselves in a very satisfying way. Whether that would be SpongeBob (Pizza Delivery, Christmas Who, Patty Hype), Patrick (Big Pink Loser) and Squidward (Band Geeks). You're not going to get that very much in Seasons 4 onwards.
@@KingYou2002 I respect your opinion even though I disagree with every single thing you said.
The weird thing is they bought Patrick’s original parents back in a new episode of the main series called “Patrick’s Tantrum”
The even stranger part is that the episode was produced before the Patrick Star Show was really a thing, Nickelodeon’s seriously screwed up SB’s airing in the last few years
Seasons 2 and 3 had some pretty messed up airing schedules too but it wasn’t this bad
I recall Vincent Waller stating the redesign was done because the original designs were too boring or something along that line.
They rarely appeared, but a drastic revise to parents of a main character is odd to me, especially since they were used in an episode released close to The Patrick Star Show's release (Patrick's Tantrum was released on the season 12 DVD over a year before airing on television). I would've preferred an attire change (like the one Pat was given) and a slight personality change over completely changing the characters, also like the idea of Pat's parents being smarter than him over them being the same intelligence as him.
i guess spinnoffs arent canon anymore.
Honestly the modern Spongebob and modern Simpsons are perfect examples of how bad a TV series can sink in quality. They were great when they first came out, but now they are being beaten like a dead horse and being milked for all that's it worth. And in addition, Fox and Nickelodeon literally ONLY have these shows continue nowadays because they are the only things keeping them financially afloat, and without them their animation studios would go out of business.
I get what you mean about the animation being too wacky. In new Spongebob, they make a weird face every two seconds, whereas in the earlier seasons, it was reserved for special moments like "MR. KRABS, I WANNA GO TO BED!"
6:02 By the way plankton and mr krabs were friends until their early adulthood when they had an argument over their shared restaurant but you’re right in saying the show messes with every other character relation
Don't feed the troll boys
@@buzter8135 already reported
the patrick star show is pretty much like when they gave sheen from Jimmy neutron his own show (altou not as bad). They are great as supporting cast but does not fit as a main character of their own show
Same with Cars 2
the cleveland show
and Minions
That Sheen show was terrible in every way in my opinion, one of the worst shows I've seen (but I might by biased since I loved Jimmy Neutron and Planet Sheen was such a disappointment at the time)
@@radioactivevolt Planet Sheen isn't that good though but I'm just wondering what happened to Sheen if he is stuck to that planet forever.
I think the magic of Spongebob was that it didn't need spin-offs. It was great on it's own. Spongebob is still considered a pop culture icon and one of the most iconic characters of all time. Once you milk it, his value as as an icon is disrespected in my opinion.
ITS NOT BEING MILKED
@@jaxsterminator8634 It was being milked as soon as the 4th Season aired and Nick started canceling new shows left and right when they didn’t get ratings as high as Spongebob
@@twinswords79dualblade84 IT WASNT BEING MILKED AT ALL PEOPLE LOVE SPONGEBOB MORE THAN ANY SHOW EVER
@@jaxsterminator8634 There are plenty of other amazing shows out there, I already know more shows off the top of my head that are 100x better than this shit.
Spongebob WAS great but now a days it’s just overstaying it’s welcome, it really needs to be put out of its misery.
@@twinswords79dualblade84 IT STILL IS PERFECT IT WILL NEVER END ITS NOT OVERSTAYING ITS WELCOME IT HASNT HAD ENOUGH EPISODES THE ONLY EPISODE THAT IS AS GOOD AS SPONGEBOB IS TEEN TITANS GO
10:02 scared the hell out of me because I was listening to the video in the background
Even though it's not a spin-off remember Legends of Bikini Bottom? It was like an anthology set in the same series that told separate stories such as the legend of the Bermuda Triangle, an underground hillbilly town, a radioactive monster, etc. It was fun and exciting to see different tales and while not all of them were great, it was still a fun little anthology series. This is what Kamp Koral SHOULD have been.
Yeah like maybe Sandy was a councelor and Patrick & Spongebob tagged along (if you want to have the "old characters" in Cam Korall) and each episode starts with them sitting at a Camp Fire and everytime a different character tells a story and we see said story as it is told, or something like that
@@missnanunana01 That TOTALLY sounds like a great idea! Too bad Nick didn't go with something similar.
@@alexanderramos6747 Yeah, they could have gone WILD with it
KAMP KORAL IS PERFECT THE WAY IT IS
Yes. Have some fun with the material and characters without trying too hard to be its own thing. The original show would have "off model" episodes like krusty krab training video" and patchy-centred episodes with bizarre live-action scenes, that worked very well. They could have done well with a few miniseries' building on other aspects of the show, or showing alternative universes. Such as Patrick having a talk show or the characters being at summer camp. Maybe not the best idea, but the spinnoffs being more limited and taken less seriously might have worked better without the emphasis on them being their own thing.
9:50 I like how this idea of showing a camp coral scene in 2D backfired spectacularly because the 2D version looks 10x more interesting and better than the “real” scene
A scene in 2d probably worked better because many of us are burnt out on the overuse of 3d animation and not much 2d on tv
@@Thomasmemoryscentral it probably doesn’t help the fact that 2D can be way more expressive than 3D and the show is “trying” to emulate the classic 2D style
@@thebombingsoda thb 3d can be expressive as 2d its just based on the animators
@@thebombingsoda it’s because
Viacom/Paramount don’t have the budget to make good 3D animation. They are the smallest major animation companies in America
@@Thomasmemoryscentral There’s still a lot of 2D cartoons on TV. The only 3D ones I can think of are mostly preschool shows.
I agree completely with the modern spongebob animation, never really liked how they changed the style for that overly expressive and ugly expressions they did
The biggest issue I have with the spin offs (other than them being utterly repulsive in every way imaginable), is the lack of continuity from the original series, especially with character relationships. Kamp Koral acts like Spongebob has ALWAYS known all of the people he regularly interacts with, when that’s not the case. In the original series Mr. Krabs meets Spongebob when he comes to the Krusty Krab and asks for a job, Squidward knows Spongebob because he’s Squid’s annoying neighbor, Sandy knows Spongebob because Spongebob met her when she was being attacked by the giant clam, The Flying Dutchman meets Spongebob after he drops an anchor through his house and Spongebob climbs up the rope from the anchor, Spongebob meets/finds out about Plankton when Mr. Krabs tells him about Plankton, etc. Spongebob is one of those shows that, while each episode has its own individual story, the whole world has a lore behind it that overlaps. It’s not a show like Family Guy that shirks on lore continuity for the sake of jokes, that’s been one of Family Guy’s things from the beginning, but Spongebob has always held a lore continuity. Kamp Koral throws every bit of that continuity out the window, and even The Patrick Star Show does with Patrick’s family.
“Did they really defile Stephen’s grave for money?”
“Of course they did!”
ruclips.net/video/40phJx6ZShY/видео.html
*Do not▪︎miss this*
@@InvestmentIdea *Do miss this*
"One Krabs' Trash." Best scene.
@Logan Roof News Are you okay?
@@josethejellyfish1211 don't give him any attention.
I heard Stephen knew about the spin offs, whether or not he approved is a different story
I'm pretty sure he did know of Kamp Koral, but not The Patrick Star Show.
He knew about Camp Coral but Paul Tibbet, his old friend and previous executive producer on Spongebob, said Steven Hillenburg hated spin offs and would have been against them. Steven never said he approved of Camp Coral but he knew Nickelodeon planned to go through with the spin off regardless.
He did knew about Kamp Koral and not to mention working out.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 he said he wouldn’t want to stick around for SpongeBob babies
8:41 new characters are always the first nail in a dying shows coffin
13:20
The “PAT NO!” line made so much sense in this context
Can't wait for the CGI LS Mark spinoff show where we get to see LS Mark's first opinion.
His first awful opinion yay
I thought the same thing about the “starting to loose the magic when used all the time” part because for example when they made a whole episode on Fred, the fish that goes “My Leg!”, it felt like they were explaining a great background joke/gag therefore making its not as funny when they acknowledge it if that makes sense.
They actually did that? Geez they were out of touch WAY BEFORE they put Kamp Koral into production then
It never loses its magic lmao
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Yeah! The episode I think is just called “My Leg” it’s one of the kind of newer ones (2018-2019ish). SOME of the newer ones are pretty good in my opinion though 😂
@@draguOdoT I think it was funny to reference in that one episode. Afterwards, when they keep pointing to Fred specifically to yell, "My leg," it starts to get annoying.
@@casualvanilla I found the episode funny but after that,I don't like how it just became more of a personality trait for Fred than a recurring gag
Patrick show is just like uncle grandpa without the good parts
Uncle Al's "The Patrick show" is better than the actual one.
No, Nick’s The Patrick Show is perfect
Uh no Uncle Al’s is better
they actually addressed the spongebob "canon" by revealing that camp coral sandy and regular-series sandy are communicating through alternate timelines
its really fucking stupid
I have aids
But at least the timeline is fixed as what everyone got what they wanted but I find it funny when fans get mad over the show's "broken timeline" but this isn't the first time Spongebob broke the timeline when negative continuity is a thing.
That still doesn’t fix anything since sandy still didn’t know SpongeBob. So did Kano Kodak sandy just not tell her about SpongeBob at all
I like how you said cannon in quotes indicating the fact that SpongeBob has no cannon.
Season 1 had a hint of having a canon
I feel like the one thing spongebob never explored enough is anywhere outside of bikini bottom, why not have the gang go on a massive business trip disguised as a vacation? It feels like this could work out if they put more than one board meeting into thinking of these things…
It's not that uncommon for them to leave bikini bottom
Stephen Hillenburg actually knew about Kamp Koral(but most likely not The Patrick Star Show), so the spin-offs aren’t disrespecting his wishes. However, Nickelodeon has disrespected a creators wishes before, and they did so to Paul Germain, the co-creator of Rugrats.
It's Paul tippit
The Patrick show < uncle grandpa
19:10 Exactly how I feel. The late SpongeBob does the off model stuff like 5 times every scene and I don't get why people are saying that makes it good again. I think the later seasons are much better than seasons 6-8 but even seasons 6-8 knew to not exaggerate every several seconds. Heck, Face Freeze in season 8 isn't funny to me specifically because the plot is "they're stuck off-model making this funny face" for 11 minutes
I personally feel like seasons 6-8 took it to the other extreme, the movement was very dull and they barely played with the animation (and when they did it was to make those horrible Ren & Stimpy-esque jokes they loved to do)
@@radioactivevolt Oh yeah I think that as well haha
There’s a lot of just... nothing going on in so many episodes
@@radioactivevolt That’s mostly because their budget was actually slashed around season 5 or 6, and it remained that way until the second half of season 9 when the second movie was out, and the crew shifted again
It’s often overlooked, but that’s honestly one of the only reasons the middle seasons were stale, alongside tremendously short deadlines. They were essentially forced to put out half-baked stories with animation that wasn’t too great, thanks to Nickelodeon’s/Viacom’s greed.
Not many people seem to talk about this, but it’s been mentioned a few times by people who’ve worked on SpongeBob.
@@LunadeMusic Looking back yeah I can really tell, especially with just how many drawn out nothing scenes there are in like half the episodes at that time lol
ITS PERFECT FACE FREEZE IS A PERFECT EPISODE EXAGGERATION IS PERFECT
i think a better idea for the patrick show would be him having a failing tv series, and him trying to find something new and unique to try and succeed, but fails each time due to antics that his family cause. it would br fun and endearing to watch, and i feel they could tie it to the character of patrick well
HmMmmmmm
I'm currently watching every Spongebob episode. I'm currently done watching the first 5 episodes of Season 1, to honour Stephen Hillenburg, who had died
Update | March 7th: I'm now, officially halfway through Season 1. My favourite by far is 'Pizza Delivery', because it's just iconic. My least favourite is 'Jellyfishing', because it's very mean-spirited to Squidward. I'll keep ya' updated on my progress😉!
Update | March 8th: I've now watched the next 5 episodes of Season 1 and have a new favourite and least favourite. My new favourite is 'SB-129', my new least favourite is 'I Was A Teenage Gary'.
Update | March 9th: I've officially completed Season 1 of Spongebob. My favourite ane least favourite hasn't changed. That's 1 down, 12 to go🎉!
Update | March 12th: I've now watched the first 7 episodes of Season 2. I'm getting closer to the masterpiece known as 'Band Geeks'. My favourite and least favourite still hasn't changed.
Assuming you’re watching on paramount plus, after you watch The Great Snail Race, remember to go on RUclips to watch Midlife Crustacean since it was banned.
Since the Spongebob staff don't have time to make new episodes of the original show due to these spin-offs and due to the long hiatuses of it, I can finally move on and rest easily , you people can continue to cry about Nickelodeon disrespecting Stephen Hillenburg all you want, I'll go watch a bunch of old Warner Bros MGM musical movies instead
In the main series I feel like the overly wacky animation actually enhances the show due to how it ads to the reactions in relation to dialogue (Squid Noire is one that comes off the top of my head), and the weightless feeling works due to the faster pace of the show. But I can see why you don’t like it, and it doesn’t work for The Patrick Star show due to there not being any good jokes for the animation to build off of.
The only episode where I feel the post sequel animation really works is Mimic Madness imo, the animation makes that episode what it is.
I love that episode
It depends on people's preferences for that animation style. Some may like why others don't. Personally I don't like it because the characters feel way too off.
It's done way too much in my opinion.
Not that the characters change too much when doing something whacky, it's more like literally every single moment the characters have to change their entire shapes. It happens all the time, most of the time without any excuses, just because it has to, when in the original show you had like 3 funny faces of realization/anger/fear max in reach episode, making them both memorable and warranted.
I'd go as far as to say it's visually tiring.
@@usermcskull4713 oh believe me I love that episode especially the song. Another episode I like is My Leg
The whacking animations is constant and it doesn’t it way too much. You don’t need to constantly have whacky animation because the story and comedy would speak for itself. All this means is that the writing and jokes are so bad that they need the whack ones to make up for how bad it actually is
There was a representative from Paramount's animation department who did a zoom meeting for people at our school during the pandemic and according to her Stephen Hillenburg was well aware of the films existence and I assume that extends to the camp coral as well since the film heavily tied into it.
The summer camp aspect of the film was announced before Hillenburg's death, so that does line up.
Waller also confirmed that yes, Hillenburg knew about Kamp Koral.
When I saw that The Patrick Star Show was a thing, my first thought was "DIDN'T YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM PLANET SHEEN?"
Nobody ever learns anything from Planet Sheen. There is no meaning or hidden knowledge, only an endless void of despair.
The cover of Kamp Koral looks like the characters are about to murder people by tearing their bodies apart
the last thing spongebob needed was a baby-fied spin off. if this show (and the patrick star show) only existed to be a series of 2 or 3 minute shorts it would've been better, in my opinion.
THE SPIN OFFS ARE PERFECT THE WAY THEY ARE
@@jaxsterminator8634 alright buddy. i would ask you why you think that way, but seeing as all of your comments have just been you yelling about how things are perfect just because you disagree with others opinions i won't ask you.
@@jaxsterminator8634 no they're not
@@mcnuggwtscreations YES THEY FUCKING ARE
Nick cancelling the squidward spinoff was the worst crime committed in all of history
I want to see a full season of squidward chat/squidward's house party
There wasn't a Squidward spinoff planned, it was a rumor.
@@thedeadlysquidward1641 That would actually be awesome wtf
@@ProGremlinPlayer I always wanted that even before they made spinoffs
Wasn’t Squidwards spin-off the fortune telling one
1:07 dude even freaking predicted it
Stephen dies:
Nick: we’ve got to have MUNEEE
In regards of the animation being too wacky all the time.
It's important to know when to push the characters and expressions. If every shot is too crazy, than nothing really stands out.
The audience needs time to register and process whats in front of them.
It is also difficult to get invested into the characters. I can't take them seriously if they look like parodies of themselves.
Honestly if Patrick's show would've been better if it was like an SNL type show but for kids
I was at my grandad's house the other day and there was a big city greens thing on where one of the characters interviewed her creators, imagine that but patrick and throw in a skit or two and we got gold
That's exactly what I assumed it would be from the premise. Or maybe something like House of Mouse, where they're hosting shorts but there's still a structured story outside of them.
Yeah I’m personally not a fan of the more zany and bouncy animation they have been using in later seasons. They use it too much and it comes off like that awful “Wacky world of Tex Avery” cartoon. Characters just constantly bounce around and make stupid faces.
Even when Kamp Koral has in the intro "Created by STEPHEN HILLENBURG", it makes me think that Nickelodeon wanted us to believe that it was his idea to make the spinoff just to forget what he said about spinoffs or it's true which I see very much impossible
Well of course It's created by me. What do you think?
It was addressed in a Twitter post by a crew member that Hillenburg was involved in the creation of Kamp Koral (around late 2018) before he passed away and before it was greenlit in 2019. So that kind of nullifies any misunderstandings related to that Paul Tibbit tweet.
And frankly, I'm gonna have to agree with another comment on here stating that opinions aside, it was in the wrong for people to harass the workers on these spinoffs.
People were harassing the creators? Like as in tweeting that they didn’t like it, or actual harassment? (I see the two being conflated so often but a couple mean tweets isn’t harsssment, but maybe it went beyond that)
@@DoomKid i mean people litterally are blameing the waluigi fan base over two kids who harrassed sakurai and it wasnt no. teens/adults fault for doing it. so like you said it could be mean tweets or something
I really hate the fact nick can do whatever they want because Stephen's gone, rest easy, dude.
Actually, Nick could've done this stuff whether Hillenberg was dead or alive. Even if he didn't want these spin-offs (we just don't know and won't), he didn't own SpongeBob. He just created it and was a staff member. Nick owns SpongeBob, and has since 1999.
10:50 I noticed the same thing with Madagascar when they had that TV series the animation looked a really off compared to the movies because of the budget difference
Spongebob at 10:55 looks like he’s made of Rubber
"Maybe I'm just too cynical and pessimistic"
Naaaah, ya think???🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah, he’s dead accurate
Is it cynical to see what’s right in front of you, and call it exactly like it is?
Honestly if we had a Sandy spin off I would be on board.
Nickelodeon really just gave a dead man the middle finger, twice.
Because
MONEY
19:00 I'm not 100% sure but I thought one of the rules for the general animation early in the main show's life was to balance on and off model characters to not ruin the impact of the more wacky expressions.
Speaking of Patrick's flanderization, I'm surprised no one brought up the fact that, in the later seasons, the writers basically turned him into an animal. There's an episode in Season 13 (Pat the Dog) where he's written like a dog (or worm in this universe) and SpongeBob and Squidward have to train him.
6:17 Hey look, everybody! Kevin's back! Kevin! We love you! Kevin, please!
It sucks that the creator of Spongebob specifically said he didn’t want a show about just Patrick and them as kids. Nickelodeon literally waited for him to die.
Vincent Waller confirmed that Hillenburg knew about Kamp Koral.
17:13 Finally someone directly points out how Patrick used to be in the older seasons of SpongeBob and how SpongeBob actually looked up to Patrick for advice. The comedy was that we knew Patrick was dumb and his idea was ridiculous, but SpongeBob didn’t and trusted his ideas. The only character who would ever call out Patrick was Squidward, which made their interaction unique. Nowadays, everyone calls Patrick dumb and their entire relationship with Squidward is just they annoy him
SpongeBob was my childhood, and I’ll forever love and appreciate it. But out of all the Nicktoons, why was SpongeBob the one to last this long? It hurts to see other Nick toons that I also loved when I was younger getting like 4 seasons and seeing SpongeBob with over 10 seasons, three movies, and 2 spin off series. It hurts to see a series being so disrespected and drug out for no reason
I used to be sad that Hey Arnold, Angry Beavers, CatDog etc got ignored as time went on. But looking at the state of modern SB, maybe I should be thankful.
SpongeBob is somehow the best, and worst thing to ever happen to Nickelodeon, due to the sponge all these other great shows get tossed to the side and if they didn’t get immediate results and high ratings, they got tossed over to the “nicktoons” channel to die. SpongeBob really killed the potential for so many other great shows
I think Spongebob was too popular for it's own good. That's why Nick milks it.
@@DoomKid i will say the last season if hey arnole was when they made some charecters have baby voices like arnold sounds like a 5 or 6 year old
@Mekhi Loud loud house isnt even that good some ppl only like it cause it has nouthing but girls in it
The should’ve made an adult drama about squidward struggling through depression and his love life.
Squidward Tentaclesman
The Patrick star show reminds me of a really shitty half hearted uncle grandpa but with somehow even stupider characters and failed humor
“Spongebob in a camp setting”
You mean Camp Lazlo?
5:22 oh, that’s frame is just… amazing
I'm glad someone else finally mentioned new SpongeBob's expressions. Yes the old seasons had over the top expressions but the new ones just feel like they're trying too hard.
mostly to get meme fuel
THEY DONT NEED TO TRY TO BE FUNNY IDIOT THE EXPRESSIONS ARE HILARIOUS
The Patrick show kind of reminds me of… of uncle grandpa… *It’s literally uncle grandpa.* 😐
Your final point about the animation changes really resonates now that I have a kid that watches spongebob. You can really see the difference of how older characters were more rigid and movements were planned where as the new stuff all the characters are squishy and just seem to randomly do whatever they want