2024 U.S. Classic Meet Recap
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Cover Art and Photo © GymCastic/Steve Cooper
Simone Biles won her gazilianth U.S. Classic while competing alongside fellow Olympic all-around Champions: Suni Lee and Gabby Douglas. Jessica is joined by special guest, filing in for Spencer (who is back home!), is Paris 2024 gymnastics coordinator, Olympic and World Championships finalist, assistant coach of Brooklyn Moors, Denis Vachon. We discussed:
00:00 Intro
3:06 Denis talks about Paris Olympic preparations
5:02 Simone Biles told anyone attacking her family to "F*ck off".
9:45 Gymnasts on private jets marks a new era
10:56: What happened when photographer had their flash on as Simone did her triple double
13:11 Hypothetical rank all-around Olympic team if Classic was Trials
20:16 Signs of overtraining
23:06 Equipment was not the Olympic equipment
26:14 GymCastic live show and podcast schedule
29:41 Why Laurent is no longer standing in for Simone's double pike vault
32:04 Side by side example of Simone Biles superior vault technique
33:53 Konnor McClain's third place beam without a dismount and injury
36:19 Gabby Douglas excellent podium training, status and petition options after scratching post-bars
43:29 Are USAG rules discouraging all around
46:58 Rules update from Alicia Sacramone
49:43 How Denis handled athletes seeing injuries during competition
55:26 Shilese Jones' monster bars score, where it ranks for Olympic gold potential and why the construction is wise
1:01:06 Reining Olympic Champion, Suni Lee adding floor and winning beam with an easy dismount
1:07:08 Questions about routine construction vs limited skill options
1:23:20 Highest Scoring Team Machine from Emily Giambalvo at the Washington Post
Kaliya Lincoln tying for second with Shilese on floor
Why Tiana Sumanasekera and Dulcy Caylor impressed
1:26:27 Artistry Champions of the meet: Gabby Douglas, Nola Mathews, Simone Rose and Tyler Turner
1:29:02 Opportunities for Comedy presented by Adrian, Norah and Kieryn
1:42:39 Jordan Chiles on getting angry as motivation
1:46:00 Gymternet News
1:47:12 Simone Rose and Jayla Hang on the extreme conditions they trained under in Colombia
Jade Carey, Leanne Wong, Kayla DiCello, Trinity Thomas and the battle to round out the highest scoring team 
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NBC still showed too many minutes of gymnasts drinking water, taping, untapping, waiting, etc while we were missing routines. How is anyone going to even know who ANYONE else is besides the biggest names? Anyway, I'm thankful that the entire meet was on YT!
To be fair, that’s how it always was. You only get to see a few athletes. You never saw all the competitiors. Only the ones with a chance at the Olympics or alternate positions. Why would they broadcast the ones with no chance? I understand and agree that it’s dumb seeing athletes drinking water or on their phones, that stuff should be cut out.
Stop your whining. This is how it always has been. They show the top athletes likely to make the team. They rarely ever show those lower tie gymnasts. Look at old coverage and that’s what they always did.
Literally frustrates me to DEATH!! WHYYYYYYYYYYY do they think we want to see people sitting around??? In the background we see things going on and we can hear floor music etc. But the camera is focused on an athlete drinking water for 10 minutes.
@TommyWiseauu I know what you mean, but I would argue that they actually did show more gymnastics in older competitions. And I also guarantee that ANY viewer would prefer to watch a gymnast (even an "unknown" gymnast) perform over watching someone catch their breath and walk around for 10 minutes. It is just ridiculous.
@@SquirtlePower809because the average gymnastic viewer only cares about the top gymnasts that have chances of making the team. They make up the majority of viewers and they don’t care what Dulcy caylor, Marissa Neal, Nola matthews, or hezly Rivera. Gymnastic viewer nerds care, but not the average viewer.
I was at Worlds when Simone got the triple double on floor and the double double beam dismount named for her! And then, I was at Worlds when she got the Y double pike vault named after her! What an absolute treat to be there to witness those two world championships.
That is SOOOOOO AMAZING! I was fortunate to be front row by floor when Simone returned to competition last year (Chicago) and it was the most incredible thing ever. It was so special, because we all didn't know if she would ever return or not, ya know? It was magic! Not to mention I got to see all of my other fave gymnasts like Suni, Leeann, etc.
I was front row by beam Saturday. I was an incredible experience.
@gymnasticsfan7036 omgggg that's so awesome!! I would have loved to see Suni beam live!
The International feed was really good- sure, no commentary, jo scores as they happened, and we were stuck with the circus voice guy in between rotations, but we got to see a lot more routines from more gymnasts.
it's always better.
Y'all, I love how thoughtful your ads are. So many podcasters seem to drone on and on about products or services as if it's only a necessity but you advertise for things that are meaningful for even more than gymnastics. Thank you.
I had no idea other gymnasts were delayed flying out of Houston, missed their podium training, and yet they were not mentioned. I'm proud of them for pushing through missing their podium training, and had the fortitude to start/complete the event.
I absolutely adore Konnor. I don't know what the future holds, but by 2028 she could have a bouquet: a degree, some world medals, and an Olympic berth.
Gabrielle Douglas stans can get overly defensive of her and milly mouth that she's underrated, but Gabrielle is loved in the sport, she's adored still by lots of little girls. If I were Gabrielle I would tune out the coven that surrounds her and coddles this phantasm of victimhood they want to enshrine her with. She's a warrior, fight is in her. She's overcome so much getting into this world, through her childhood, and should never be programmed into believing she's fragile and needs anyone to put down or disparage others in the sport in order to lift her up.
Some of these gymnasts have some really smart brains/coaches with how they leverage their ready with the rules.
Well, let the soft nature cause the medal decline and watch it buckle up tighter.
Jade is truly gifted. It's hilarious to me how she was perceived as weak, when she waters down, and then deemed overscored when she pulls up the clutch on those whose best won't compare. She is the reigning gold medalist on floor.
Absolutely agree! And you are right, people KEEP on doubting Jade over and over again (even in college) and she just keeps proving them wrong over and over again. Her artistry has improved 100000% AND her dad/coach said that she has upgrades ready for EVERY pass we saw. Which means we will likely see- Moors, silivas in combination, chuso, DLO. With that fx and her vaults she will be a huge help for USA
@@SquirtlePower809 BOOM!
We get defensive because she’s been treated horribly since the beginning! Gabby has never been respected! I was in London when she won!!! Also, Simone gives mean girl vibes when it comes to Gabby! People just treat her not like the history maker she is!!! I think Gabby focusing on 3 events is good. Then AA but politics tell me she has to slay because USA Gymnastics doesn’t want her there
@nicolebrown5987 I really think you are projecting a lot of this stuff. Simone ain't done nothing to Gabby at all! And all I have seen is massive support for Gabby with the exception of a few haters, but everyone gets that. I mean, the whole stadium was chanting her name...and to this day everyone knows Gabby Douglas name and what she did for USA
Tap dancing
Suni is moving art!!!
That wheezing moment 🤣 classic.
Thoughts; Shi was so focused and easeful, could definitely challenge Andrade for silver. Simone will break 60! this season, how could she not? Gabby looked great in podium training and I hope she competes at nationals. Leanne still has a shot! Also a Wonginator 😂 and I hope she has a great Championships. Jade and Jordan showed they are ready! Simone, Shi, and Jade are pretty much locks for me. Suni is close but needs to show bars. Her beam was one of the highlights of the night, love love love the dismount.
Denis Vachon was awesome!!! really good analysis and episode... please invite him always !!!
Can we all email USAG about Denis’s idea to let everyone do AA, but limit awards to qualified gymnasts?! Love this idea!
at quals? trials? or the Olympics...
@@creating1_c1999 At US championships. The idea is that letting everyone compete AA gives the selection committee more data. But limiting awards/medals to only those who qualified based on score maintains the integrity of the qualification process.
Really enjoyed this episode
*Simone* *Shilese* *Jade* (can't wait for her upgrades!), *Suni* (only if she kills it on both bars and beam at trials), and the last spot should go to the next best all arounder from champs/trials. Can't have more than 1 specialist on the team after what happened at the last worlds and olympics. The whole 3 up 3 count formula goes out the window when someone goes down at the last minute. My alternate is *Dulcy*
I think Jade is pacing well enough to be a third AA'er if it came to that. She placed 4th with watered down routines and a fall at classics. not to mention she always scores better internationally. so you could technically have a team with four solid AA'ers
@@elenapresley6936 for sure!
@@elenapresley6936 i was referring to Suni as the specialist, at least at the moment.
Really like him as a cohost. I mean, no one replaces Spencer, but ...
Have always lived gymcastic since the late 2010s. Jessica, you and Spencer have always delivered witty, acerbic, near technically proficient comments. Denis is a gem💎 Wishing Spencer the quickest, as much pain-free and comfortable recovery as possible.
Ehhhh... Touting kaliya and Tiana as being better than Jade on floor "they beat the REIGNING OLYMPIC CHAMPION" as if she brought even half of her difficulty. You know that they don't come close when she's bringing everything she has.
say that sister!
She had bad landings like that’s the worst of jade n it’s small tenths of their best
I absolutely agree. There are few things that fascinate me about her and one is her strategic operation. The Jade Carey team is one of the smartest/strategic systems I have ever seen.
I personally think gabby came back too late. For an 8 year hiatus, she should’ve came back 4 years ago and started competing last year. If I remember correctly she came back in December of 2022. That’s not enough time for muscle memory to kick in. IMO she also shouldn’t have made Paris her goal. Thats just too much pressure for such a long hiatus out of the sport entirely. I do hope she doesn’t end her career like this. Hopefully she still competes even when Paris is over, at least compete a meet and end on a good note.
Muscle memory is not Gabby's problem. Her skills look perfect. Her issue is endurance and nerves. She should have come back earlier, yes, but only so she could get used to competing again earlier.
@@erinm9445If she has endurance problems in May 2024 what makes you think she could have returned earlier?
I think Covid really effed with her endurance, it’s takes awhile following any respiratory infection to get back to 💯
@@leykimayriendurance isn’t an issue for her she completed 2 bar routines with a DLO dismount during podium training and warm ups.
It’s nerves/mental mistakes so I’m not seeing where endurance issues is coming from .. she has an AA program .. questionable endurance is folks competing 2 events with no dismount
@@HazelAmarie Yea it is
Seriously enjoyed this conversation!!!! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was so amazing getting the chance to see these amazing athletes in person this weekend and also, to see Jessica in full media mode, binoculars and all!
This episode was hilarious!! Denis is too funny and the chemistry is great!!!! Jessica you inspired me to goto Nationals this year!! I’ll be there Day 1 for the Women’s meet. My first event since Goodwill Games 1998
I did attend the Tour in 1997 with the Mag 7
My team after classic is:
Biles - AA
Jones - AA
Chiles - AA
Carey - Floor/Vault (serviceable bars and beam)
Lee - UB/Beam (begrudgingly because I want to see her hit 4 for 4 at championships and trials).
Wong and DiCello could also be in the Chiles spot
Roberson and Lincoln could possibly be in the Carey spot (though Lincoln’s beam is not useful at all).
Blakely (not very consistent) could be the Lee spot.
I see this a lot, and I match it. Most would agree.
Kaliya is ONLY usable on floor and if I understand correctly, she's maxed out. She already brought her upgrades and hasn't shared any further plans to upgrade. Which means when Jade brings her upgrades, everyone else but Simone and Shilese are out. Jade is usable on all 4 events if absolutely needed. Let's not forget she finished 8th AA in Tokyo and had no plans to compete AA.. that's pretty dang good
nope…biles, jones and carey is a lock…jade is a good third AA and with her increased difficulty and consistency she’s needed just incase anything happens
I’m so confused about the timing/pace of an elite gymnastics season. Every time Jessica and Denis would say “it’s early” or “she has time” or “that will be different later” I wanted to scream “what do you mean?! US Championships are in 10 days! The Olympics are in 68 days!” I’m learning a lot from GymCastic but this is one thing that feels really different from the sports I’m more familiar with.
exactly. it's not early and all of these competitions that they belittle matter to the selection committee.
if you watch the classics routines from any quad compared to the trials of that year, the standard of the gymnasts is extremely similar
it's just the nature of pacing a gymnast in a proflific olympic year
Typically, it's difficult for gymnasts to be at 100% through the entire season. So you want them to do well enough in the early events to advance, but show at each following competition that they're getting better and more confident so that they "peak" at the right time (either the Olympics or Worlds). So you see the top group performing well, but still having room for improvement. Now the selection committee will want to see them improve at Nationals from how they did at the Core Classic.
All of these berths mean something, maybe not as important for some, but overall it gives both the gymnast and the committee a file to review when making tough selections. If you want to petition or ask for consideration to be invited to trials, then you want to have something to show/defend your petition/ask.
Like in any sport you will have superbly gifted athletes, not just physically but a high IQ. That IQ not only favors them on the mat/competition (examples: how to fall to prevent the least amount of injury, spatial awareness, when to step out or make a quick adjustment) but also in training so that they know when to gradually step out of training performance to competitive performance--meet the minimum req's for 'show' to meet qualifications, but ready to step up when it gets down to the wire.
Those who show superb IQ in this round: Biles, Jones, Lee, Carey, Chiles, DiCello, and Wong
*Biles, Carey, and Chiles are for me the top IQs.
Loved this!!! I learned something, I laughed several times - I mean the wheezing!!🤣 Simone is beyond Amazing! I am team Simone, Shilese, Jade and really hoping for Suni frickin Lee! Then next best AA. Thanks for what you do and sending good healing vibes Spencer’s way.
Denis! You are so amazing and wise. Thank the universe for your wisdom and expertise in Women's Gymnastics.
I love love love, Konner McClain.
Loved Denis Vachon on this episode. Warm Regards to Spencer Barnes. GREAT 👍 job Jessica O’Bierne!
Aaha...❤❤ the 3 full seconds of wheezing.... omg died😂😂😂😂
I really enjoy Dennis as a substitue co-host
I was there in person and this was on my bucket list.
Same!
I loved seeing Tiana and her incredible improvement. I could see her being an alternate...esp since there are four this year (two who travel & two who stay home).
I agree. The locks for Olympic team are most likely Simone, Shilese, Jade, and Suni. It’s the formula that works best. They really only need these four as they have strong two all arounders and Jade is yet to upgrade her floor routine like she did in 2021. Knowing the Olympic selection format and the need for a fifth member, they are looking for someone who can do bars and beam really well. This is because they need a fifth member who can take on Shilese’s only “weakness” which is beam and can score mid 14’s. For bars, they still want Suni either way because they really need her beam routine but they are unsure of the consistency of her bars. Even if she does perform well at trials, they are still looking for someone who can put a strong score on bars in case Suni seems to appear inconsistent nearing the Olympics because she will probably still compete on team either way for beam. The person they were eyeing for the fifth position was Konnor McClain as she was the piece of the puzzle they needed to truly make the team what they wanted as she was not only a strong all arounder but had what they wanted. However, now it’s gonna be a bit difficult to see who can beat fit the piece they are looking for who can beat Shilese in beam and put a strong score on bars after Konnor’s injury. The three candidates for the spot are most likely Chiles, Dicello, or Blakley and their chances are most likely going to be determined with their upcoming performances. Usually the committee has an idea of the five beforehand, but for the fifth member, it’s really gonna come up to how they do.
Jordan and Dicello are definitely back to back. If Dicello competes like she did during winter cup again she might have a stronger chance than Jordan and show that Core Classic was just a rare mistake. But if Skye can prove she is finally consistent in the coming competitions and prove ability to get high scores on all events but especially beam, the committee is gonna have a hard time choosing. At Winter cup Skye got a 14.5 on beam and Dicello got over a 14 on all events, including a 14.3 on beam and bars. I think Winter Cup scores are slightly inflated but that shows a lot on both ends. This is definitely gonna be interesting to see. If Dicello competes like she did before, she has a strong chance as Skye has shown inconsistencies in almost every competition since 2023. It’s gonna be hard but she needs to prove she can do it. Their spots are really gonna depend on how they do at these future competitions.
Suni a lock? She hasn’t hit an UB routine yet. No one should go with just 1 event (beam). The only exception is if they are an actual gold medal favorite on that event and Lee is not that on Beam.
Totally agree!
@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue suni is definitely a lock. Why are you doubting her so much? We have seen her bars several times now and it's been incredible! And we know she can hit it in competition.
Do you think Gabby has a chance to bid for this spot?
Thank you. ❤❤
Love you guys….. BUT….I was getting ready to make an angry comment, then you touched on Jordan at the end finally. GIVE HER MORE FLOWERS!!!!! She is amazing and I need to see you talk about her more!
I truly hope Gabby still competes at nationals. I think she will. If she does the Cheng she says she's been training and its a good Cheng along with her yurchenko double full and a solid beam with good difficulty and execution and hit her bars set she may still have a chance! She should also keep training floor because she can still get an invite to trials with solid bars, vault & beam at Nationals, and then she could do floor again at trials!! It ain't over till it's over ❤️
she can't do floor at nationals.
The reality is that with the depth of talent that's going to be competing at Nationals, being good on one or two events is not going to be enough. Not when there will be others who'll perform just as well on vault and beam (or better) and turn in good scores on floor and bars. It's a very short amount of time that the athletes get to prove that they're ready for the challenge and while one lackluster event up to now won't kill their chances, the fact that Gabby didn't qualify for the AA and cannot petition has pretty much eliminated her from consideration. It's a relatively short season, but what you want to see is that as good as they were at their first showing, they're better on the next and are peaking at the right moment. Gabby did worse than she did at the American Classic. At least then, she was able to get through all the apparatuses. Here she pulled out after totally flopping her UB routine. And then she compounded that by walking away from the rest of the competition. Hopefully she'll come to nationals and do a decent job so that she can look back on her comeback with a more positive feeling, but making the Olympic team is not (and was never) a real possibility.
@@ravanne3746 OH DAMN. YOU SAID THAT. #truth
@ravanne3746 I don't agree at all lol
@SonOfAGun1814 Yes well ok she'll be able to do floor if invited to trials
Those meet organizers at PAC Rims- WTH? Let’s hold a meet in a venue with an open roof, during tropical rainy season.
Has Simone ever trained the Raismann? It feels like the front layout full to Silivas could get more tacked into it. Also wondering if she’s considered “adding” leaps to the end of Biles II and the DLO dismount to give her something to absorb extra energy into. It sucked when Aly fell on her ass training up the punch front, but a stag leap or a rebound into an oversplit straddle seems like an easy way to absorb .1-.3 in hops and also add .1-.3 for connections…just spitballing.
Somines D score on floor is already 7.0 though
Simone has to really focus on keeping her landings in bounds (since she has so much power). I don't doubt that she easily could add a leap to some of her elements, but I think that she really wants to complete her programs cleanly. Besides - with a 7.0 D score, does she really need to add more difficulty. 😂
Great co-host!! :)
Shilese Jones and Simone Biles R the dymnamic duo for Paris 🎉😅
Even Suni's big ass correction after the ring could have almost passed as choreography, which really made me smile. Such elegance!
Please do a podcast on your Lyme disease. I'm so glad you're healthy
I think Denis would make an excellent High Performance Lead. He seem to have a better grasp on the full picture and less bound in thought in regard to what USG has always done, than the current leadership we have.
I was thinking the same thing - a very measured and logical approach overall to USAG. I always thought Dominique Moceanu should have gotten the job over Sacramone (who is just so mean).
I loved this episode. Thank you! You brought up many points that I've wondered about e.g. not letting a gymnast (Gabby) compete floor, or all-around, is a detriment to the sport (heavily paraphrasing).
I like Denis as a guest co-host. It's nice to hear different perspectives.
💜Lots of love to Spencer and wishing him a problem-free recovery from his surgery 💜
Denis, I can't swim either. You are not alone. ❤
Neither can I! And I'm old 😋
First of all Jessica learning that your dad was the spy is amazing I had never heard that before. I do encourage people to get these stories of their parents recorded because I never wrote down all the stories my dad shared. Once I started trying to write them down he had gotten to the point where he couldn't complete thoughts. For your guest I'm also an adult who can't really swim. As an adult I did learn to tread water so basically my swimming is treading water and leaning forward. I can't coordinate going under the water and coming up and still breathing. I'm also a natural sinker in and the friends who tried to teach me to swim is a natural floater so she was dumbfounded.
i'm not so sure suni can make this team by being average on bars, and the fact that she isn't on the roster to do bars at champs makes things interesting. i thought she was petitioning to do the aa at champs? anyway, taking someone just for beam is risky at best. she's going to need to have a good showing on everything at champs/trials, and i'd even say she needs to at least upgrade vault if not both vault and floor at trials.
Lee needs to hit 4 for 4 on UB (6.0 Difficulty at the lowest) both nights of championship and trials. She can not be picked just for bar. Even then she may need to upgrade her vault a bit
I strongly disagree. First of all, as they explained, a downgraded "easy" Suni bars routine is still VERY NEEDED by USA. She won't do an "easy" version, cause we have seen her do the hard ones in podium trainings and Suni is just so good on bars. I have 1000000% confidence. But the point is that even IF she got to Paris and was like "oh no, I can't do all my difficulty right now" she can still easily break over 14 and we need that! And then she has a massive beam score that we need. AND we know she can do a DTY. And we don't need her for floor at all, but she still has a routine that-- with several big mistakes- still scored a 13. So a floor routine with better control could easily be a 13.6 (if she doesn't add any upgrades) and that is a VERY good floor score as a backup. Suni is a lock now. Everyone I know has agreed. Unless some major major major things change over the next 2 competitions, the team is pretty set:
Simone
Shi
Suni
Jade
Jordan
@@ClarkJohnson-oq9ue she will. She's basically a lock at this point. And yeah she can do a DTY and her floor can be used as a backup.
@@SquirtlePower809 Suni is in no way a lock. Not after competing only one or two apparatuses for the past two years. This is the first time she's done three and we're still waiting to see the UB routine. And she said it herself that her health is at about 60-70% and not able to train all the time. This would be a huge gamble for the team to take her and then have her not be able to perform. Even Simone has to prove that she's up to the task after what happened at Tokyo.
@@SquirtlePower809y’all overhype Suni too much .. she’s not a lock by any means and I thought she was supposed to compete AA at nationals?
Gabby’s floor is nowhere near Brooklyn’s! That’s crazy, sorry Jessica 😂
All gymnasts should take private jets? Really these comments are absurd. I get the sentiment, but it's hilarious considering the drama with Gabby making comments about Shi's non-climate friendly water bottle and Shi's comeback on X about taking private jets? The irony of it all.
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Shilese and Gabby are friends trying to make an issue between black women is very common.
Gabby wasn’t the only one on a private jet either are you forgetting Simone Biles took one with her husband? Singling out Gabby is very much weird
Any word yet from Gabby as to why she pulled put? The radio silence, especially when she has so many people rooting for her, comes across badly IMO. Whatever the reason, why not explain why? If she lost her nerve, or wasnt able to mentally get past the vars, why not say so? Simone (and other athletes in other sports) have shown its ok to be vulnerable and have periods of mental blocks. I don't get it.
The whole reason she went was to qualify for the AA, with a 10 on UB, that would basically be impossible, so she left. She could have shown she could hit the other routines or just get practice, but, meh, she knows what's best for her.
I get what you're saying, but im not sure that will come across great to the selection team - although my understanding is, she cant qualify for the Olympics anymore anyway? Still, no reason for radio silence, her fans I'm sure would want to hear from her? It just comes across as she's sulking.
@@anovemberstar She can still be invited to trials after nationals. They said specialists need to be top 2 on any event if they weren't in the AA or placed highly in the AA. I agree though that it didn't look good and her silence is concerning.
it's a bad look to quit just because she flopped again either way. she had nothing to lose by finishing and could have ended on a happy note, and she has nothing to lose by doing her 3 events at nationals, but is she going to quit again if she flops again? what's the real goal here
@@SonOfAGun1814Im asking the same question. It comes across like a child having a temper tantrum to walk away when things dont go your way. I think back to how she acted towards her team at the 2016 Olympics when things didn't go her way. Did you noticed she scrubbed her Instagram after she scratched the meet? Weird...
Wow, I find it really interesting that you decided to highlight and show Suni's mistakes. Interesting.
I agree with denis saying usa might only put up Shi and simone for AA qualies at the Olympics.
Maybe jade as the third if she can regain her floor difficulty from tokyo? Maybe dicello as the third if she can regain her winter cup difficulty?
not smart if one of them has an off day
The US will always have a 3rd AA. This selection committee has made it clear that having good coverage in case of injuries and mistakes is one of their top priorities for team selection. We also have so many good AAers as candidates: Jade, Jordan, Kayla, Skye. Maybe even Suni if she gets her bars together and upgrades her vault.
@@erinm9445yea you’re right. It can be helpful if the gymnasts got more reps in. Esp the beam rotation 💀
@@SonOfAGun1814 Who else can replace Simone or Shi on any day off? No one. The closest thirds: Skye, Jordan, or Suni if she can get her bars up to 15. What they should do for the O'team is select their three highest scoring AAs and then take two dual specialists on alternating apparatus who can score high enough to be plugged in AA if needed. Barring injuries, this national team is stronger than it was for Tokyo.
Suni is not a lock until she puts together an all-around. We have not seen that yet. Jade is not a lock when there are 3 to 4 gymnasts that can beat her in the all-around if they don't fall. I don't get the obsession with her.
vault champ, gold floor, strategic upgrades, consistency
@@creating1_c1999 I’m assuming you are are referring to Jade. We all know that Simone is really the highest scoring vaulter. Jades individual vault score isn’t much higher than anyone else’s because the judge’s hammer her on form - rightfully so. The gold on floor 4 years ago is why they changed the rules. The next year Jodan Chiles beat her scores on in floor at the World Championships multiple times. Upgrades don’t make someone a lock, they make them a possibility. She is a possible not a lock. Thank you, who’s next.
@@0xTRellyx0 of course she's not a lock, but we know why we like her
Can we anoint Laurent Landi the sexiest man in gymnastics? Yes he is a middle aged dad who is hot like fire but I love that HE wasn't ready to risk Simone getting injured on the double pike and willing to lose .5 points to keep her safe.
Right! A coach who really cared about a gymnasts mental health and well being. Where I think Liukin pushed poor Rebecca Bross to injuries and the worst was the vault when she cried out in pain. It broke my heart hearing that. Then Katelyn Ohashi having so much talent even being Biles when they were both teenagers but both Martha and Liukin would pick on her weight in fact a lot of the gymnasts were so skinny and prone to injuries. Nutrition and mental health are so important!
@@silverpurkat I cried WTH when I heard Gabrielle was training under Liukin.
56:00 The guest is very knowledgeable. I believe shi can get high 8E on uneven bars if she cleans those stuff.
#Team Spennis !!
JESS AT THE END IM DEAD
I agree that Simone, Shilese, Suni and Jade are locked. Realistically those 4 can do team finals. The safe bet for the 5th spot is just a utility AAer who can plug in anywhere. The more exciting way to go would be an event "specialist" who can bring in a big number on one event. Kaliya on fx, for example. Anyone else who gets a cheng (Skye? Jordan?) could be a good 5th. IF IF IF Gabby can get it together and her ub routine can be trusted, that is a possible 5th. My team is locked with 4 and 5th is tbd.
Can we atleast get a exhibition for gabbys floor at the end of championships 😢
I'm not sure if there will be any changes but her Am Classic is on YT.
@@creating1_c1999I know I’m actually going to nationals but that was the floor I was really hoping to see 😂
Gabby can do podium training on floor I believe!
Shilese is an uneven bars specialist. What are you talking about??
Yes she came first in UB, however I do see Shilese as an all rounder. I think there are stronger UB specialists at the Olympics. But that’s just me.
@@lilshine1234she is def an AAer
@@lilshine1234 shilese got bronze on uneven bars at the world championships. Aside from nemour and QQ from China shilese is tops in uneven bars. You can be a specialist in something and still be an All arounder you know. It’s call excellence. Suni Lee did an interview after she got bronze on uneven bars in Tokyo and she said herself she considered herself a bars specialist, yet she won the AA gold. Besides the US historically has never been strong on beam or bars. Shawn Johnson, nastia liukin were rarities.
@@nicoles9077 they are right, historically a specialist is NOT an all rounder or even a three event athlete. It is not an insult or meant to discredit Shilese’s talent. In fact it’s just the opposite.Shilese’s spot on an Olympic team will not come down to one event. That is a specialist, think McKayla Skinner on vault.
@@GritsandBiscuits ok I’ll give you that if you are speaking historically. Would you classify Nemour as an uneven bars specialist? She competes in all around too. Aside from the Chinese gymnast QQ what uneven bar specialist is better than her? Are you counting someone as a specialist because they say they are, but never win anything and are not that competitive on the international stage? I just can’t think of too many gymnasts today who only specialize in one thing to be good at, especially since the number of gymnasts on a team has gone down in recent years. Gymnastics is so competitive so it’s not really a good strategy to just specialize in one thing unless you are really great at it. Simone and Rebecca are great in more than one event and they can beat the other so called specialists in their top events. I understand what you are saying, but I think the definition of specialist is changing right before our eyes because of the lower number of gymnasts allowed on a team nowadays . It’s very exciting though.
Ohhh I’m so glad you mentioned the over training for Kayla DiCello. I looked at her and thought to myself, she’s doing too much. Over training. she needs to pull back a little, take a couple days off to rest. Also, I agree with Denis on his 4 but I sure would like to see Jordan or Leanne there. They to me, will deserve it -Gabby can go as alternate and then make Worlds.
Gabby should aim for 2028. It'll be a home crowd, and she can benefit monetarily from the quad via sponsers and deals. Plus it really gives her the time that it takes now to be a olympic ready. Just a thought
I think double mini is super scary too
I'm here for DenCer 100%%%%!!!
Aww Spencer is highly missed. Im so glad his surgery went well. We miss his objective opinions 😩
Denis, I am in your Jade camp.
Gabby's bars warm up showed she just doesn't have the fuel in the tank. Her coach was more than just spotting her - he was pushing her around the bar. She would have been far better to scratch from all the events except floor, to conserve her stamina, given she already qualified on rhe others already. Given the lack of stamina this late in the quad, she has zero chance of making it to the Olympics. A year ago at this level, probably had a chance. I think her fans are so blinded by their want for her to make it, they can't see what the rest of us see - and that yes, in some aspects, she's better than she ever was - but it's just not enough to have pockets of brillance this late in the game
doing just floor wasn't going to qualify her to do floor at nationals if that's what you were inferring. but i agree, the reality hasn't hit set in for a lot of people. it is what it is.
Her fans are delulu...so delulu delululululululu... especially that girl hazel lol
She completed a dismount if endurance was an issue for her she wouldn’t bother with a dismount and Valeri spots all of his gymnasts like that but ofc since it’s Gabby people love to make assumptions and doubt her chances
@@tv-21Your delusional over Suni though
Thinking abput the qualifying riles, I agree, it SEEMS dumb, but maybe its about the bigger picture -tgat bring gymnaats' / coaches' abilities to create a smart program in terms of decision making as to when to peak. Suni / her coach knew to bot do the AA - if Gabby / her coach had done the same, instead of risking it, she would have been.able to fo the AA for champs. Although, I can see it could be a fine line in terms of getting the experience of competing in an arena. I think a different coach wirh a different approach would have worked better in her favour. Valeri doesn't gave a great reputation in terms of over training
the whole process of picking a team is confusing to me (admittedly, my formative years were when the Karoylis just picked it out of their bums), but why not give the athletes ALL the chances to qualify to be picked for anything and everything?
The mission is team medal of course, the gold. That's not likely going to change.
The road to Olympic Trials is the same for everyone. The invitation will bring in the best of the lot. Plus the committee has quite a bit to look at already just coming into the Nationals especially with added petitions. If everyone tanks at the trials, there's their qualification performances to review.
Core Classic should be called the Kathy Kelly Classic. IT DOESN’T MATTER.
And her name just came back to me after the last podcast!
Jess I thought you were 35 years old 🤯
Yes..Suni is not a lock. I think they will take top 5 AA. Period. End of story. And I would be happy with that result.
Heyyyyy Denis
44:19 good idea
I think Jordan rode home on a private jet, too.
Was her original flight extremely delayed as well?
@@freddycooks No.
The "dead spider half turn" needs to be a legit move on bars, just for our entertainment... 🤣 K bye.
What is Jess talking about with Gabby floor being "so amazing "? Lol sorry but i did not like it at all.
She’s a Gabby fan, she’s claimed such stυρidities in the past….like also admiring her splits when she’s not even reaching 180 degrees split lol
@leykimayri yeah like I'm a Gabby fan too, but I'm not delusional hahha! I would've been fine if she had said something like "I really enjoyed her floor routine", but no lol Jess had to go insane exaggeration and claim it is the best floor routine ever done in the world! Like lmfaoooooooo how can anyone say that with a straight face? That routine wouldn't Crack the top 200 of all time!
@@SquirtlePower809 More like top 20000
Whenever someone says a person can do no wrong, it's best to just tune out.
Can someone fill me in on the Selena Harris transfer?? Why?? How?? When??
they probably know as much as you do
the contradictions regarding gabby in this video are making my little head spin 😵💫
What contradictions? Sincere question.
Do you think that Laurant is staying off the podium to prove she can do the double pike herself and then will stand on the podium again when she surprises us in Paris by adding a full twist?
adding a full twist? lol oh boy........ anywho, i think they are planning ahead and know the gap is closing between simone and a couple other ladies who can come very close to beating her if she has a miss or even that .5 nd on vault.
56:13 please get the pronunciation of the top bar worker in the World correct. It’s Qiu Qi Yuan.
has Simone Biles ever lost an all-around medal since she started competing as a senior? I don't. think there is any athlete, male or female, in any sport that has dominated a sport for so many years as #1. And the best part is that not only she is getting better, she seems to really love the sport. She looks like she really enjoys flying through the air. oh and by the way, she can kiss her husband any time she wants! They are an adorable couple.
She lost once only to Suni at Olympic Trials. You could really tell that her mental was starting to unravel then.
@@spazkaz8585 Simone didn't officially lose that competition (It's a 2 Day comp), but she did lose to Suni on day 2 of that competition.
@@spazkaz8585Simone worn the meet just on the second day she fell on beam and floor n that’s how suni beat her but when score’s added together Simon was still the best she only lost meet to ohashi
I think Ohashi beat Biles once in 2013 if I'm remembering correctly.
@@spazkaz8585 She didn't lose at trials. It was a 2-day combined scores. I agree, you could see her disconnecting. She did lose to Ohashi in 2013/Am Cup.
Anyone know why Gabby scrubbed her Instagram profile after scratching? What's going on?!
I'm not a fan ever since she acted the way she did towards her teammates at the 2016 games and even less of a fan after her comment about Aly about SA.
But why the social media scrub?
She did that before Classics
I was super excited Simone’s husband got to go! He couldn’t last year. Why do people get mad at them? Jeez.
First, I hope Spencer's surgery was successful and that he is on his way to FULL recovery. Second, this had toooo much background noise at the beginning that I almost did not listen after 3 mins. Fortunately I persevered but it was very off putting.
I didn't hear any background noise on the RUclips version.
Yeah I'm definitely not hearing any background noise. That's you in some capacity.
There was no background noise for me, either.
Skye should not be on any team. She’s inconsistent.
nothing higher than alt.
@@creating1_c1999100%. You don’t go to Worlds as a two event specialist and fall twice when it counts. Now she fell on bars domestically…not a chance
Yup. She falls more than Alicia Keys
@@SquirtlePower809 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Alternate #2 after Kayla Dicello
If gabby got a private jet, and there were other gymnast that had flights canceled, did she offer space on the private jet to any of those gymnasts?
Gabby's agent made that happen for her.
@@creating1_c1999So she didn’t pay for it? That would explain her withdrawal lol 😂
I think she scratched because she couldn't reached the 51 Points
I hate that movie, too!!
39:00 the only reason the current generation is more popular than gabby was in 2012 is because of social media. If social media was as well used in 2012 as it is today, gabby would have more star power than most of the competitors today.
Simone was already a star in 2013 and FB is around for almost 20 years
@@leykimayri fb isn’t as popular as ig and fb stars never had the same traction as IG stars and tik tok stars. People don’t get famous off fb anymore. They get famous off IG, RUclips, and Tik tok.
The only thing not around in 2012 was tiktok. Gabby stepped away from the sport, but she's incredibly notorious. As a professional athlete you cannot do that especially when a new class of athletes are crowning daily.
And she's still profiting from her brand. She hasn't lost her star power at all. There are plenty of active gymnasts (this generation) who do not even compare to the amount of flowers given to her, follows on social media, and world-wide notoriety as Douglas.
The only real difference in "this generation" is NCAA rules allowing these gymnasts to profit from their name---if we're discussing star power.
@@leykimayriNo she wasn’t most didn’t know who she was before Rio let’s not lie now
Gabby is the reason most tuned in gymnastics.
@@HazelAmarielmao anyone who knows gymnastics knew who Simone was before Rio. Now she’s the most popular and well known gymnast ever, no one else comes close.
Also.... I'm sorry i just don't think the Chinese team on bars are exciting to watch. They just do a bunch of pirroettes and basic releases. Idk i think they're boring af personally.
Regarding Simone’s response, she shouldn’t have responded. She can delete IG from her phone. Of course that’s her choice to be with her husband. But in all honesty her lashing out on social media and defending her husband tells me all I need to know 😒
I just want her to focus on her gymnastics and perform well at the Olympics. If it means that she comes off social media for some time then so be it.
This US classic was a disaster in all honesty. Many falls in the unbars bars, people scratching out of the tournament completely (Gabby and Trinity), Konnor getting an injury and is now in a cast and on crutches - possibly the end of her Olympic journey.
USA needs a good uneven bars specialist, right now nobody in the current roster can fulfill that spot, unless Gabby or Suni can hit that apparatus.
I was disappointed from a business perspective like maam no one is going to endorse messiness. Focus on your skills and your money. Olympic year should be a money haul for her. Plus little girls look up to her. Just unimpressed with her PR skills.
agreed, the reply was immature and disappointing. it also shows she's still spending way too much time and energy caring about the projections of strangers who don't matter.
She's far too busy (or should be) to be focused on the comment section.
Leave her alone. You can’t even imagine the pressure she’s going through, so stop commenting on what you have never experienced or will ever do.
It's her right to decide what she responds to, not you. Her response wasn't immature at all. Telling people to mind their business is something an adult gets to do. The public are the ones behaving with immaturity. You want to see less of this? Try telling people to leave her and her husband alone. The nerve some of you have.
DENIS LEARN TO SWIM
this guy drinking wine and then beer during thing broadcast didnt sit well with me. Sorry, maybe its a bit silly of me to point that out.. but it was unnecessary.
Very silly.