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Fuel hauler here. Super singles on fuel trucks are a recipe for disaster. I had a coworker at a previous company blow a drive tire out heading around a curve on I-40 between Knoxville and Crossville and he almost rolled his truck. They're also terrible for traction in the wet and snow. I think they do it for fuel savings or something of the sort, but they are a safety hazard when they blow out, unlike normal duals.
Greed, they always drop an axle when one boow out, you stuck & need a rim+ super expensive tire
We cant even turn our grabge truck in the winter the old truck with the pizza cutters has no problems
If you ride Bridgestone super singles on drives your ok. Continental on tandems.
He’s a far better recipe for modern trucking , forget double drive have doubles on the drive axle and a rear axle on super singles that’s both steering and lifting when empty or running light..The traction in snow with a load on is at minimum equal to a double drive as long as the axle can transfer the weight to the drive axle …Double drive are not fit for purpose for normal highway use , I can understand in some quarries or landfill sites but they are not a good use of resources…Europeans are light years ahead of the US in transportation including railroad , double drives are not used on European highways unless heavy haulage purposes…
Saving €€ on tires this is USA no money you have to starve every eurodolar keep staying hungry you cant afford wishes but reality! Rich colonian Europe won't always bail feed and sponsor USA especially for free you gotta work for us to farm for us to give us oil gas gold potatoes corn!
Yo B!
That Scania at about 0:55 were SPOT ON, you’re doing us scandinavians proud!🤘🏼
So far this engine on Scanias has proven itself. Only issues being some sensors and leakages. I'm a Scania technician btw
MAN, not vabis
Hi, is this S13 engine the same as Scania uses in G410 ?
By the way the G410 was impressive.
Love it
Not sure. Lowest hp s13 I've seen is 460
@@pedgar789 That's right, the 12.7 litre straight six comes from 370 to 560 hp
@@2Sidebars the G410 I rode in, was a Natural gas version, may that explains why is 410 Horse power ?
Thanks for the answer
They are pretty sweet for a corn binder. They scoot really good also. Keep up the great work buddy 👍
That engine in Europe is pushing 560 hp, 2065 ft lb of torque and 9 mpg at 90,000 lbs
That’s incredible fuel mileage at that load.
@deutschchad1399 That's because European trucks are limited to 56mph or Supermarkets fleets in UK limit to 50mph which adds 10% more fuel savings. US mpg won't be as good without limiters.
9 mpg is a tad pessimistic unless you're talking UK mpg not US mpg (I absolutely hate British units just for how confusing they are). The fuel economy is going to be a lot worse in the US regardless because of the longer trailers and how little they extend past the kingpin (bad for aerodynamics) coupled with the higher speed limits. You could argue the long flat roads would make it better but it's still going to suck compared to what you get in Europe.
@@checker3694 makes sense
@@checker3694 don't forget that Europe has better fuel than the us.
Awesome great technology. This will put International back on the map.
That international has the pedals hung correctly....Pete is the one who does it backwards
well, bruce, the only thing I'm missing on your arm is a V8 logo from Scania.
Probably on his lower back below the belt line
You are right Bruce here is from Wikipedia.
Traton SE, known as the Traton Group (formerly Volkswagen Truck & Bus AG), is a subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group and one of the world's largest commercial vehicle manufacturers, with its MAN, Scania, Navistar, and Volkswagen Caminhões e Ônibus brands
And they own the rights to the old Internation Scout.
@@pilhoney10does that mean they'll build a new one
@@nathanhenry9203 Look for Scout Motors
@@nathanhenry9203 They're working it onto an EV platform and under it's own branding since it doesn't quite fit into Volkswagen lineup.
A couple of months back i did actualy see a international truck when i came thru södertalje on the highway right next to the scania hq on a run from stockholm to copenhagen
Den påbyggdes av oss, vi monterade RecoDrive på den och sändes tillbaks till USA igen.
@@dannesvanstrom3408 Finns en del provbilar också antagligen.
My work truck is a '23 LT daycab with a Cummins and i believe Eaton 12 speed auto. Thing pulls pretty dang good. Ive become a big International fan with this truck
I work for as a mechanic for a company that sells Wirtgen road building products. One of their lines of equipment is the Kleeman brand of rock crushers. They all run Scania engines here in the U.S. and they have been absolute beasts!
When I was a tech for the local dealer, Doosan (now Develon) at one point used Scanias for their larger wheel loaders & excavators and both ADT models. We were also a Wirtgen dealer before Nortrax stole the dealership title. But we didn't see too many of them because sales didn't push the product like they could have. They seemed like they were more focused on selling mills and pavers than anything. Central maine is also an area where not a ton of construction happens compared to other states.
Weigh distribution balance at the trailer yoke for more strength with the large one tires instead of two!
I love the flat mirrors so you can judge distances.
Well Bruce, when are you buying one?😁👍
As a Scania man.. I can hear the 12V system... No but jokes aside, this truck has basically been in Sweden and touched by Scania. Probably getting better with time too.
And for those that dont know. Traton is the name Volkswagen calls its heavy vehicles brands. Its also its separate company under VW lead. The CEO of Traton is however at this moment, also the CEO of Scania. This effectivly means that Scania is heading Traton as of now.
tip for americans. clutch slave bearing will wear trough the clutch pack. For me its usually been in 800.000-1000000 kilometers idk about miles
500K-600K miles.
Very interesting Bruce thank you International for letting us toward your truck Fitzgerald number one keep them coming 2024
My old boss got straight hosed by that stealership a few years ago. 😂
The international HX620 is actually a pretty nice truck, my cousin purchased one brand new with an x15 and it was considerably cheaper than anything else on the market and I had the opportunity to drive it and I was actually impressed by it.
Send a ship full of cab overs from Europe too the states. And bring us this beauty in Europa. I can use it on my short tipper😊
And to raise your hen and pig in it
I’d love to see one of those international lonestars souped up and customized! Always thought those looked cool.
1 step to go they should put on a Wabco air system ABS/EBS its on 95% on the europe truck and trailers
And a proper eu night heater
There are Conventional Kenworth trucks in Europe and Asia powered by SCANIA V - 8 engines ! At your service ! ❤😊
Those would have to be aftermarket swaps. KW is PACCAR (they make DAF trucks in Europe) who is the main competitor to Scania and MAN (who are both part of the Traton group)
No KW's in Europe what so ever let alone with Scania motors. Liar liar panties on fire.
I want to see the Scania 17.5 liter V-8 offered in the lonestar. That would be sweat.
I think you're talking about the 16.4
Now that would be a great step up, but with an 18 speed lol.
@@davidbeach7187 with 700+ horsepower, hub reduction and 18 gears, steep roads have never been so easy😁
How USA will afford it how you gonna pay us with what how you gonna serve Scania what's your diesel fuel in USA? If was that easy Deimler would've sale Mercedes there not Frighteningliner & Detroit also Volvo would've use its Euro engines. Look at Boeing cheap but garbage!
It would be cool to build a restomod with that new scania engine in it, maybe a cabover or something like that.
Sleeper truck
I was thinking the same thing when he was showing what was under the cab and how quiet it was and stuff it would be so cool to have it on it like a 60s model truck,,
Oh no no burnouts I thought for sure you would do a big rip once you got it out there in a different parking lot❤😂
@@glbaker5595 Bruce is lying threw his teeth he don't care long as he gets views and money ruclips.net/user/shortsr8qt4wRoyLU fake chalk paint or better know as child's side walk chalk paint ruclips.net/user/shortsIL770XEg910 car is completely stopped at stop sign Bruce all most kills them admits he did not use his blind spots or mirrors in the actual video he Ain't no pro trucker or business owner
Cabover restomod would be sick!
This could be the future of drivetrains in fire apparatus. The L9 and X12 are going away leaving the X15 or new X10 for Cummins. Detroit and Paccaar are the only other options. This seems like a good alternative.
Doesn't Cummins have an X13 now that replaced the X12?
@@mrvwbug4423 no the X10 will replace both. Not sure if a 13L is in the works.
Actually, this is not a 'pure' Scania engine. The official name is the Traton Common Base Engine (CBE). It is true that the first steps in the design of the engine were made by Scania, but later on MAN also got involved. So it is a joined development between Scania and MAN. You may know MAN has an enormous experience in diesel engine design, truck engines are just a part of their diesel engine portfolio. The also produce huge marine diesel engines for instance.
This 13 litre engine will be produced locally all over the world, in different versions. It will be used by Scania, MAN, Volkswagen, and Navistar.
You spelled liter wrong. Damn Europeans.
Good info 🎉
Today these are different companys, MAN Truck&Bus belongs to Traton, the marineengines are from MAN energy solutions which belongs to VW till they find the right buyer.
As far as MAN Marine engines go they had to buy danish Marine Engine company B&W (Burmeister & Wain) since they were unable to match the economy in these engines. Scania is by far the leader in technology here, Scania is considered to be the "crown jewel" in the Traton Group...
@@ingo_8628 So at the moment these are still two different business units of the same MAN company. The business unit that builds the truck and bus engines has this on its website:
“Trend-setting products in excellent quality: MAN Engines is the partner for efficient diesel and gas engines in the power range from 37 kW to 1.618 kW (50 HP to 2,200 HP) as well as for axles and transfer cases. We offer decades of industry experience and know-how for the most diverse installation situations and load profiles.”
I’m sure you will agree with me that 2200 HP engines are not used in trucks. So even though the very big marine engines are made by another business unit, this business unit also builds much more than just truck engines.
We need straight piped LT now haha!!!!
Former intern here, the S13 powertrain I think stems from the Maxxforce debacle from early 2010. Basically from what I remember is that Navistar took a different approach to controlling emissions instead of standardizing to SCR in order to reduce production costs. Although that sorta bit them in the foot by expending their energy credits. This probably came up since Navistar was under the Traton (people at corporate pronounced it as Tray-ton) group and they needed powertrains other than the standard Cummins they were offering at the time. Considering the new facelift for the IC bus line, I'm assuming that is one of the other applications for the joint Scania/MAN powertrain.
This engine is the completely new "DW" engine, "Scania Super", which comes with a single cylinder head, double camshaft, and a very high compression ratio in the cylinders (23:1), higher than Volvo, Mercedes (Detroit Diesel), Iveco, and DAF (Paccar). Its emissions level is Euro 6. Here in Brazil, the fuel economy it has shown is truly impressive, on average 20% more than the competition, without losing in torque and average speed performance. Here in Brazil, they are being offered in powers of 420, 460, 500, and 560 hp. Combined with the new Opticruise G25 gearboxes (for engines up to 2500 Nm of torque) and G33 (up to 3300 Nm of torque), which are lighter, more robust, and feature lay shaft brake technology, which means that gear changes are carried out in 0.4 seconds.
It was expected that due to the purchase of Navistar by the Traton Group (which already owns truck brands such as Scania, MAN, and Volkswagen Caminhões), it would lead to the sharing of components between the brands.
Believe me, you will gain a lot with the addition of the Scania powertrain there in America.
They'll be made for US market cheap nothing in common with those for Europe but that will lower the the Scania brand unless they use another brand but will be still a shame to built vehicles for US market!
You mentioned how quite she idles.
I believe MANN Trucks have an automatic 2/4/6 idle which SCANIA would also have.
It turns off the injectors of 2, or 4 cylinders depending on your idling needs.
Idle to 600 is 2 cylinders.
600 to 1,000 is 4,
and so on.
As long as there is no change in oil flow there is no problem with cutting cylinder firing.
The engine is identical regardless of whether it's in a MAN or a Scania, so I suspect the Navistar version is the same.
21:15 The block off plate you mention is not where the retarder mounts on the G33 gearbox. The plate is, as you said, where the gearbox PTO's come off it (if it had been equipped with it). The retarder mounts to the other side of the transmission and the rearmost cast is different.
That cluster had been on them since 2017
In Brazil this engine is pushing 420, 460, 500 and 560 Hp in 2350 a 2800 Nm of torque.
Wow. I never ever thought I'd be watching sort-of-review of International. However... Scania.
*anything* Scania is deep into my heart. I work at a warehouse and I love it when one of the heavy hauler companies use V8 Scanias and at least couple of 'em semis are actually straight pipe V8's. The sound. I mean is there anything more beautiful than Scania V8? i6 is not bad, but the V8 has something so special soundwise. Love 'em.
Oh, and Scania brought me to the channel (the vid at Ylivoimala was the first I watched I think) and I like it. A lot.
work at an international dealership in pennsylvania. happy they went this way
Good job Bruce great truck review. Scania trucks is the most reliable engine and fuel efficient in the world. Nice job Navistar
I think you're driving in the high level of the engine break mode. That s why its slowing down so fast.
The old western stars had the motor mounts on the bell housing where most trucks put them on the flywheel housing. So to pull the trans you had to block up the back of the engine. It was a annoying design
Actually over 50% of the components were designed by Navistar for the s13. She’s a real beaut :D
Yup, Volkswagen bought International Harvester only a few years ago, but they’ve owned Scania since the first decade of the millennium (invested in 2000, gained majority in 2008).
Traton is just a fairly recent rebranding of VW’s truck & bus division, and Traton Group remains a wholly owned subsidiary of VAG.
The super singles are for weight savings for operations that rate of pay is based on payload. Same for buckets and dump trucks. Bulk commodities hauling
I really hope IH has a good engine this time around, I've seen way to many A26's blow up or have non stop ATS issues. but honestly it doesn't matter to much since every truck is getting a completely redesigned engine in 2027
Actually A26 based on MAN engine, from the early beginning of MaxxForce...
I have a pile of those Ertl diecast IH trucks, my girls play with them every day
Closest thing my family has to International is an old 90's Case IH 😅
Tell you what I wouldn’t mind, I wouldn’t mind that legacy office chair
That dash been in the lt for years. Amd thank you for test driving it i been interested hearing how it performs.
They are pretty sweet for a corn binder!) Well Bruce, when are you buying one?
I've been here from that white cabover hits this chanell lol keep up the good work Bruce and team
U forgot the engine brake on all the time... When accel pedal is pushed goes to auto off, but when changing gears even if pedal to the metal, it will momentarily activate, seen by small green light on dashb with infinity sign(maybe it has redarder?).
Must rafine your driving skills 😂
BRAVO
competition is good. options are good. automatic is good; some won't ever like it, that's okay too, maybe the European-style synchronized manual transmissions will grow on them. great video, thanks.
That's is the dash and truck I drive everyday at work. Only mine has the X15 mated to the T14 transmission.
Love this truck man looks awesome, i would love to have One, it's a really well made truck without BS crap like emissions and its auto, like the single tire in the back and they are wide as hell love the interior and the engine, hey Bruce are you gonna get One ?
I know international is owned VW group, but it's funny how much that gauge cluster looks like jettas and golfs I've had
That's internationals own cluster
You notice quickly that almost all switches and things are from the VW parts bin. Just like Scania and MAN have the heater, lights and window controls from a Golf 😃
VW own MAN and scania aswell as international, only fitting they swap parts just like the cars
Ive always been a huge international fan and ive owned alot of international trucks mostly in the medium duty department of international trucks because all of my towtrucks have been international both my rollback and wreckers have been international i wont buy anything else when it comes down to the medium duty trucks. But in the semi department i have international trucks but when it comes to semi trucks i like running my peterbuilts! But this new international is pretty cool it definitely has my attention being that it of course is a international and i am excited to see how that new selection of engine does because ive never been a European truck fan at all i think that they look funny but i love the sound of their engines in the Scania trucks so this is pretty neat! I do hope that they give you a manual trans option in these new setups because i dont want any automatic trucks.
How American conventionals are still noisier than Euro cabovers inside not to mention the rocket boom outside the American cheap garbages?
The majority of Europeans don't want to hear for USA & US Bums let alone to get or give something to them no trade no business no military bases must be allowed between us Europe is rich high tech the future is Russia & China.
I helped changed of the first flywheel housings in that engine in the us. Yes, that plate is a pto mounting plate. There is also an option to run a pto off the back of the rear gear train. Very interesting stuff.
Drove a brand new rental Lt bunk truck comfortable and quiet but all kinds of plastic wasn’t overly impressed with interior but comfort wasn’t bad
My first employer in Saudi Arabia is a dealership of International Truck 9670 that was 1984. Then Navistar.
Great video Bruce
Now the international is part of the VW family. I think they get a little better budget for R&D. Scania has always had a decent engine line I think. The problem with the MAN engines from VW Traton was they are more suitable for industrial off road side than using it as the A26. International has finally come full circle I think. I can remember about 15 years ago when they were working on a deal with cat to use the c15 as the basis of the international Big block program.
Essentially, super singles are used to increase fuel efficiency on long hauls and to increase load capacity.
Fuel efficiency makes sense but i did not expect them to be considered stronger as well ( more weight capacity ). Interesting
@@LORFCASTER They are lighter than duals so you can carry more before reaching the load limit.
And they’re dangerous and expensive over time. Duals are the way to go
Had super singles on the front of my Scania crane lorry for 23 years and no problems, just buy a decent make of tyre.
Those toys are 9070’s I drove on hauling logs with a shiny 290 with a 10spd air assist steering old JT Tull truck
That's when I started watching. You had that 2nd gen white lightning
Can nsvistar build a binder branded Scania over here? Seems silly not to.
Hope it works out, Maxxforce we're incredibly horrible
The only good maxxforce was the dt
❤My International 7.3l diesel Power Stroke. Best diesel I have ever owned.
770 v8 has entered the chat.
Super Singles are great WHEN they work, They increase fuel efficiency , and increase load capacity, BUT if you blow one you can lose a days time getting a new tire.....when rolling eight singles in the rear, you at least stand a chance of getting to a terminal before having to fix a tire.
They ride much smoother, last longer and have 50% less blowouts because less sidewall.
Not a bad looking cornfield caddy especially with scania technology
TRATON group includes the truck company's Scania, MAN, Navistar and Volkswagen Truck & Bus
That rear geartrain on the engine drives all of the gear driven accessories to the back of the engine. That works fine in a cabover, but not in American truck.
We went through this with the Ford / Navistar engines in the pickups that were designed with Mann help. All of those geartrains were in the back too and it made oil pump, fuel pump impossible without lifting cabs.
Hope they have a solution here...otherwise service costs will be significant compared to the engines with front mounted gears.
Truck has a removable dog house
Super cool nice video🖐️👋👍🥰🇨🇿😉
Ukázal jsi pouze tu krátkou kabinu z venku a bez spaní, škoda že jsi ukázal to spaní zevnitř ale už ne zvenku jakvypada cela cela kabina
You gotta check out the HX620 with S13
Awesome video Bruce !
VERY COOL!!
Can't wait for the lonestar V8 to come out!
Lonestar is no longer in production as of December last year
Volkswagen needs to bring the Scania V8 to the USA and Australia and put it in the International HX520.
Why would Scania do that for. Scania already sells their own trucks in Australia
V8 into LoneStar will be "category killer". Volvo will obligate to bring back VT880 within D16.
Well now you have the Scania Engine in the USA you just need to get the rest of the New Scania Truck to go with it 😀
When are you bringing in some new Scania,s to the US Bruce 🤔
All we need now is to... smuggle in a Scania R or S series cab and turn this International into a proper Scania!
You wouldn't have to smuggle it in if it was fitted by an International Dealer (HINT!) as the crash protection would exceed US crash protection regulations.
Nice thought though mate!
Super singles bring two benefits, one being significantly reduced unladen weight and due to reduced footprint on the ground less rolling resistance therefore better fuel usage. There are negatives, you take your choice. Fuel hauling weight really matters.
Anyone know how hard or easy these are to work on? Parts replacement cost compared to cummins and Detroit? The rear timing gear when it comes to repair? Is it this way because of cabover Europe design? Thanks
Not sure how the super single axles are rated weightwise, compared to a regular double mount, but fuel is lighter than most other liquids, so just as much a game of having room for it, as accommodating the weight. The super singles are for sure lighter than the double mount, and also eliminates the risk of rocks and stuff getting stuck between the wheels, either causing a blowout or slamming it up in the tank.
Bruce even whith the new freightliner automatics that you guys have saw when you where transporting last time those are mercedes actros transmissions we have been using them from long ago this side on the mercedes benz actros
That same engine and transmission is also used in MAN trucks. The rear gear train is because in Scania and MAN trucks they're all cabovers. Hopefully the lack of EGR will help the reliability. In europe they're mainly running in MAN trucks since outside of Sweden you're going to see about 5 MAN trucks for every Scania. And in Sweden you're going to see about 3 Volvos for every Scania.
scania is everywhere in norway but very few MANs. britain is big on swedish trucks as well I think
If I can get that in a Binder, for sure sign me up!
Thats some cool stuff man.
when you said Super yo mean those new DOCH scanias?
Hi Bruce awesome truck every one that I know will never drive a truck with super single tires on the rear living in Canada not very good in the snow
I think finally international gonna hit the nail on the head with the motor unlike there prev navi star motor
The transmission is difficult to remove. Just because that rear mount supports the engine and you have to support the engine to remove the transmission.
Why remove the transmission? Scania transmissions are made to last longer than the engine and if you need to tear down the transmission you take the whole package, and it's faster than only the transmisson alone.
The transmission had to be removed to replace a flywheel housing….
You guys dont have the retarder, which is nice. So the way you remove it is quite simple. You disconnect the air hose, 2-3 cables and one or 2 cooling hoses. You support the transmission and unbolt the rear mount from underneath. Lower the whole package on a support that you insert between the front axle springs and let the engine rest on that. Remove 12 nuts holding the engine and transmission together. And then remove the clutch actuator and the fork. Split them apart. Takes less than 3 hours after some experience. A retarder ads 2 extra hoses and the need to drain engine coolant.
Also, the driveshaft gets removed and hanged on the chassi using 4 bolts and a simple strap.
Its the Traton Group. VW bought MAN, Scania, International and combined them with VW truck and bus and spun them off into a holding company called Traton Group. VW owns Traton.
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A little thing I noticed is when you pulled out of the dealership you nonchalantly reached for the non-existent shifter LOL.
Yes, that made the cameraman very happy.
Integrated powertrains have been a 'thing' here in Europe for decades. Volvo, Scania and Mercedes Benz all had their own powertrains. Although the M-B transmissions were built by ZF they wouldn't fit / work on any other truck.
Millions of miles over decades.
Really only the USA and British manufacturers used the bought in engine / transmission / axles process. Although Leyland trucks are now DAF so have the PACCAR engines and a customised ZF transmissions
the streering wheel is pritty much a new scania wheel too
I'm not a scania guy or an international guy by any means, but I've been very fascinated about the s13 since international announced this setup. I personally think it'll bring international back on the map even though I'll never own one lol!
@Bruce Wilson - I would love to see you put a Scania V8 into like an American truck? Maybe a Cabover? Maybe in a Peterbilt 389 or 361? That would be a amazing restomod.
That would be challenging for legal reasons.
finally...! afeter 2 dias looking for this video again went saturday I didn't click the miniature hahaha I knew I wasn't crazy, but went I wrote to search did it in spanish, my bad...
Nice truck
I found a 1974 Marmon COE automatic trans .I'll talk to man see if he'd let you do a will it start. I'm sure he'll be cool I'll check. Maybe stop on a trip to or from Florida?