Towing Doubles: Why Toyhaulers Are Overrated
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- In this video we go over some more of the tech behind how we trailer to trails and stay overnight. We don't use a toy hauler to do this, we tow doubles behind our short bed Ram Cummins instead.
0:00 Intro
0:26 Initial Explanation
0:43 Why I Don't Use A Toy Hauler
1:48 Tow Pig
2:14 Weights and Capacities
3:00 Heavy Duty Axles
3:29 How its Wired
4:15 Tag Trailer
4:58 Hitching Up
8:07 Trailer Light Test
8:53 Challenges When Driving
9:56 Conclusion
Very informative . Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Good explanation from coupling to maneuvering
Thanks!
Nice job on the video. I do that in CA but had to get a class A with dbls. trpls endorsement. I'm 68' with my 5th and quad trailer. 73' with the boat behind it. Been doing it 15 years and love it.
That’s awesome! This setup is right under 60 ft. I really like this setup, it’s just so flexible.
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We have always pulled the goose neck camper with the Bass boat behind it. We do get a lot of looks ,but they are probably just jealous they dont get to have all that fun. Happy trails yall.
For sure! We have gotten all kinds of reactions from people being downright upset to people being super stoked on it. It’s a great way to travel with a boat! Happy trails to you and your crew as well!
I’m in Idaho and do the same. I have a 34 ft bumper pull that’s 38 ft overall. With my 14 ft trailer and my truck I am 74 ft 8 inches long. Max length in Idaho is 75 ft. I am a commercial driver with over 2 million mile of experience pulling trailers so the length isn’t a problem. I can back it up better then most can back a single trailer.
That’s awesome brother! Keep on trucking!
Wait.. You tow with a truck, then bumper pull then 14' trailer?
always do what’s best for you
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I like your set up! Here in Michigan it is legal to pull doubles but not with a gooseneck ball, idk why but I bet works great!
Interesting? So they require a kingpin and don’t allow the gooseneck ball? I am also curious why that is. Either way I prefer the versatility of the gooseneck. Happy Trails!
@@RedSandsAdventures I prefer it too! But yes to tow doubles in Michigan it has to be a king pin. But on a 5th wheel trailer with a conversation on it I highly doubt that anyone will catch it. I have also seen plenty of gooseneck trailers pulling a tag behind and not get pulled over. So maybe it's one of those who cares rules?
I just feel like that gooseneck adapter makes for weird leverages that the tongue isn't designed for. There are several videos on here of bent campers because of this. But if its working for you, have fun, just keep watching for fatigue cracks and don't assume that the max weight ratings still apply.
That said, I am working on my own double tow setup and its great to see how someone else has done it.
That’s a good point, the lower leverage point of the gooseneck adapter probably stresses the pinbox a little bit more. I do check it pretty often though just to be sure.
That’s awesome that you are working on your own setup. My family loves pulling doubles(all my brothers and my dad have similar setups) and I feel like a lot of people are scared of it.
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I am setting my 39 foot rapture toy hauler to pull my 23 foot boat and trailer. Unlike a rv the TH has a rear bumper made to handle a hitch 4 bolts and it's done. Now I am retired and we like the TH because 3 axles a n d all that storage and shop room. I won't be on the road without 3 ton floor jack, air compressor, fast charge battery charger and my tools. Guns and sporting equipment. I also carry a wood Ada ramp for my wife in back when moving. Also a side by side refrigerator for fish and pheasants and good S Dakota beef. If you live on your rv you can never have to much storage.
I also do a triple pull 5th wheel and a 12ft trailer with a 1000 RZR on it. I made the mistake of trusting the load rating on the bumper. I lost the bumper, trailer and RZR AT 60mph going down I-45 luckily it all ended up in the median rightside up no damage. I'm lucky it didn't hit someone. I took it to a professional welder and he told me it was never attached to the camper frame correctly. It is now!!!
Hoping you already had that checked. You didn't mention it in your video.
Happy towing!!
Oof I’m glad everyone was ok, that is scary. Yeah I forgot to mention it in the video but the old bumper was cut off and a new bumper was welded on to the frame with extra gussets and such to help it handle the extra weight.
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@RedSandsAdventures Awesome, I wish I would have done that before it came off.
For sure! I’ve had trailers come off for other reasons and it’s never fun even if no one gets hurt. Safe travels brother 👊
Glad to see another double puller. I have been doing this for quite a few years. Its all about setup and the second trailer not being too tongue heavy or light. My current setup is a 35' toyhauler and 12' single axle trailer. We do mostly dry camping and have yet to put the sxs inside our new toyhauler, it's nice to have it all setup inside and not have the ramp down to bring in all the dust and dirt when loading. Can you explain the 2nd trailer braking wiring again? It's just a wire from the first trailer brakes to the plug in the back? Does this make adjusting brakes difficult?
Yeah buddy, I have to set the rzr back a bit to get the tongue weight on the bumper to around 150 lbs and that seems to do well.
As far as the trailer brakes, the camp trailer brakes are wired the same way as they came from the factory as a series. I just added a “separate” circuit from where the 7 wire comes into the pin box all the way back to the plug at the rear of the camp trailer and that circuit comes back to ground at the pin box on its own. Hopefully that explains it well enough.
As far as braking goes, it’s actually very easy to adjust I literally just turn up the controller from 4 to 5 when I have the tag trailer and everything behaves .
Maybe I’ll need to make a video showing the wiring setup.
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@@RedSandsAdventures thanks, I have never ran brakes on my second trailer, but ill wire it up and see how much of a difference it makes. I'm building a custom 8'x12' deck over single 8 lug axle right now to replace my 14' tandem axle I used to pull.
Lot of travel trailers have light weigh thin steel for frames an are not designed to pull weight hitch May stay on it but it can an do pull loose from the weld from the camper frame
Yeah you definitely want to double check that before running a setup like this
Get a shocker hitch or equivalent for your goose to get rid of that funny vibration. Also, add a trailer camera, not hard and its very helpful.
I’ll look into it. Thanks for the advice and thanks for watching!
ever consider swapping to a wheeled trailer stand? I have one, and it saves me from needing to lift the trailer to move it, I just pull it instead.
@gwot Only every time I hook it up haha. I also want a swing away Jack as well because cranking forever to raise and lower it is no fun. Maybe that will be the next modification for this trailer. Anyways, thanks for watching!
I surely would have the same problems backing up to connect to the rear trailer. How about making your path with a painted stopping point?
Just out of curiosity what is your total length and is the length of the tongue of the second trailer included in that measurement or not???? I am looking at doing the Same setup.
It’s about 64’ TCOL
I’m looking to pull doubles with my 3,000 lbs 17 foot travel trailer and then a side by side behind. What hitch would you suggest?
I don’t recommend pulling doubles with 2 bumpers pulls at all. Check with your local regs and you’ll have to recognize that everything about this setup takes a lot of time and tuning to get it right
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Well thanks!
Gooseneck balls can do way more angle without being and issue... Ask me how i know .... lol
Also look into adding Chevrolet Mirrors they open up your field of view and its well worth the cost especially since your rig is So long.
Haha how did you learn that lesson?
@RedSandsAdventures haha, I squeezed a 48 ft enclosed triple axle trailer into a storage facility with a deeper than normal drain out for the rain. And had my truck and trailer swap angles a handful of times unloaded, turning around and exiting. Let's just say if it would have been a mobile home it would have tipped. Kissed my bed right above my tails but the hitch itself didn't skip a beat or even shutter. Same hitch as yours but 30k ball no raise.
Oh nice! Yeah I prefer a gooseneck but I know allot of people say that the kingpin is smoother, my clan has just always ran goosenecks because we also had a bunch of equipment trailers and stuff as well
@RedSandsAdventures a shocker hitch may be what you need to change your mind lol. Or even a Carli Suspension upgrade.
Completely changed the feel of my truck
I have a dodge 3500 with a 28 ft bumper pull travel trailer. A few months ago I pulled my 18 ft pontoon boat 350 miles up to Arkansas. Although it pulled it fine I found it was real easy to get "tail wag" from the rear trailer. Any fast input on the steering wheel was amplified at the rear. Also, the suction effect from the semis on I-30 was pretty bad so I had to stay up on that wheel! Lol. My setup worked great at 55 mph. Theres a lot going on so you just have to be tuned in and plan your route and fuel stops out. Backing up is like pushing a rope! Lol To hook the rear trailer up I just get my wife to call me on video chat and points the camera towards the hitch! Perfect!
PS: Brace yourself for all the haters, you're going to set their hair on fire!
That’s interesting, I wonder if a lot of that has to do with how the pontoon sits on the trailer. Most of them that I have seen sit pretty far above the axles.
Your solution for back up and getting hitched is awesome! Video calling is a brilliant idea.
Also I know there is a lot of people that get upset about double towing but my family has been doing it as long as I can remember without issue. Yes it takes a little more prep and planning but it works out really well in the end.
Thanks for watching!
@RedSandsAdventures You're absolutely correct! I moved a good bit of the heavy contents in the barge to the front and it helped towing a good bit!
A G eny hitch on both units would help out
I can’t really see how, but if you say so
Five lug on the trailer, better up that to eight-lug 16" 120 psi tires IMO...
I would say that you are correct, and we did in fact do that on my dads trailer, as he pulls a similar setup but his 5th wheel weighs 5k lbs more than mine. My little 26’ has done fine for years with the 6 lugs. Actually the axles under this trailer came off of his when we upgraded his to 8 lugs.
Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!
Thoughts about towing doubles behind toy hauler?
Depends on the toy hauler and the garage setup, most toy haulers I’ve seen aren’t towing doubles but I have seen it done. You still end up with the inside of your camper smelling like fuel and such though.
Well here goes 39 foot TH 23 foot boat and 3500 dually Dodge 79 feet long. I don't put vehicles in TH but I got everything I need back there aur compressor, battery charger ,3 ton floor jack, generator . I don't like being stranded or leaving half my shit at house. You can't do this in a rv my back framing is built to drive ip into. Not a 4x4 piece of thin steel.
I pull two trailers alot, had no problems just wish all these backward east coast states would get on board with smart states and allow it
For sure! It can be done and done well but some people are determined to live in the past
I know what you mean about people being rediculous about payload weights on 2500 diesal and f250s, we pulled a 40 ft 5er every where with ours, on paper and on these computing calculators we was over rating, on a certified scale we was legal, at the limit but legal, I pulled wide loads for 30 yes but people seem to know so much more by punching keys on computers 😂, I would like to do doubles like that but not legal in some states around us
Yeah I think it’s important to verify your weights and things before hitting the road but at the end of the day the operator of the vehicle assumes the risk and so it’s their call. It’s funny though some people do act like you bought a Camry when you tell them it’s a 3/4 ton but the reality is they are still very capable.
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Check grid heater bolt failure!!!!!!look it up . There’s a bolt with supplied power from the battery and it can eventually become loose and break off and go into the engine.
Hmmm this is the first I’m hearing of it, I’ll check it out.
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@@RedSandsAdventures banks idash and pedal monster get them soon. I have a 2013 dodge 2500 6.7 Cummins just installed both and what a difference it makes. Safe travels.
Thanks! Safe travels to you as well
Been thinking about doing this myself, but I want to tow a jeep on a car trailer behind a camper. In CA I have to have a 5th wheel camper tho. Wonder what kind of 5th wheel would handle my jeep on a trailer with about 800lbs tongue weight
Your talking flat towing or on a trailer? Not gonna lie 800 lbs is a lot to hang on the back of a rv IMO. My sxs trailer puts about 300 lbs on the tongue
Did you modify the bumper of your camper at all?
I think mine is only rated for 100 pounds.
Yes, the whole rear bumper was cut off and a new set up was gusseted and welded onto the frame of the trailer. I think most rear trailer bumpers are rated similar to yours but I have seen some that were a bit more beefy.
Thanks for watching btw!
Is towing double trailers like that 50 state legal?
No, I don’t believe it is 50 state legal but it is legal in Utah and other western states where we do a lot of our traveling and camping. If you plan on doing something like this you definitely need to check on the rules and regulations along your route.
I live in Maine, I have a Class A commercial drive’s license with double and triple endorsements and to the best of my knowledge it would be legal here to pull the double on the interstate but NOT on the local roads. So you would need to drop a trailer @ a park and ride lot right off the highway.
And that doesn’t really make sense to me because of the control issues he spoke of when being passed by a semi of another large vehicle. Seems the lower speeds of local roads would be safer for a nonprofessional driver (not that some of them aren’t better the some pros).
If you are going to Canada it is legal most provinces, but most require a fifth wheel lead not a ball dragger.
Legal in nevada ????
Unfortunately, not legal in all States.
You are correct, check your local regs.
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and just because it legal in your home state it changes when entering another state
it is a real problem with driving in the USA . we should have uniform laws in all states
weight is different since roads and bridges cannot always handle heavy or oversize loads
many rv are very close to gvw from factory's so adding a trailer to many motorhomes gets you overloaded
Do u know how to drive a manual?
Sort of random question but yes
@@RedSandsAdventureswhat speed did you drive?
In the manual? I’ve driven all sorts, 5/6 speeds mostly zf6 and nv4500s
@@RedSandsAdventures have you done anything above 6?
Yeah some bigger Eatons with splitters and such but not a whole lot
You need any special kind of license to do that or no?
Depends on the state you are in, in most of the intermountain west, No.
I tow 45ft toyhauler 398m momentum no smell.
Really? That’s awesome, those momentum’s are pretty slick! Does it have a separated garage?
20,000 lbs and 130,000.00, must be nice...
It will smell eventually, my wife and I looked at multiple toy haulers used, 99 percent of them smelt like gas, I figured the few that didn’t hauled electric golf carts or something of that nature
I cant get over u being able to do 70mph with all that. In OZ, we have a max speed of 60mph with a single trailer semi. A double trailer semi has a max speed of 56mph. A vehicle towing a trailer or caravan that weighs less than 13 Ton, can travel at 65 mph. Nothing, I mean nothing can legally travel at more than 65mph, Even in my bmw ferrari.
That’s interesting, I didn’t know it was like that down under! Don’t y’all have giant road trains as well, are they also limited to 56 mph or are they set to an even lower speed limit?
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@@RedSandsAdventures Anything over 1 trailer is max 56
I bet that's a bitch to parallel park.
You sir would be correct, it is a bit of a goat rodeo to get parked.
@@RedSandsAdventures How different would it be from a big rig towing and parking doubles? I could see it challenging someone who's never towed doubles but with a little practice should be ok.
@@robertnielsen3349 it’s not too hard hard from a technical standpoint, the 2nd trailer actually tracks really well, but you do have to plan ahead on where you go so you don’t get caught up somewhere with no way out.
Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!
double towing with an rv needs to be federally outlawed
Yay, more government am I right?
@@RedSandsAdventures not really. Double towing can be tricky. An RV was not designed for dbl tow and from what I have seen on the road many dbl tow RV drivers are always on the edge. Some are actually over length also. Remember it was not too long ago that DT was illegal for commercial drivers east of the Mississippi. DT for RV is still illegal in much of the northeast. It's about safety not regulation or government interference.
Every government regulation comes under the guise of safety. I’ve found that everyone is for freedom up to the edge of their own interests and not an inch further. Thank you for your input but i don’t think we will agree on this one. Drive safe