This video is the first time I've seen you or your channel, I hope your wife recovers somehow and becomes in remission. That is a tough break man and it's brave of you guys to show the world her vulnerable state. Goodluck and I am very grateful for your video.
I'm 12 years out of date (retired) on this topic, and the situation may have changed, so what I'm saying may be wrong now. That said rare earth are really difficult to purify. The cost is not in the mining but in the purification, in particular the treatment and disposal waste products. The Electric Viking was right in the amount of waste produced. --- China dominated the production of rare earths because of lax enforcement of disposal of the hazardous waste. Chinese laws on chemical waste are good as written, but they are entirely ignored. Not having to pay for disposal cost has allowed them to sell their product below the cost of production for ethical producers. -- Higher quality ore will help, but I'm not sure it will be cost competitive.
Actinides are part of the 'waste' of rare earth mining. Rare earth mines should operate in part by Uranium fuel cycle small modular reactors, and eventually thorium-uranium SMR's. They can largely decouple from fossil fuel costs, have abundant energy to process other wastes to minimize impact, and also sell fission products. Waste -> incredible profits.
the process of isolation it's time consuming and very costly that's why no other Countries wants to work with it; the facility has to be mostly if not all containers of stainless steel
@@tanner3801 The separation of actinides is done by countercurrent extraction. The waste products are the organic and aqueous phases. If the waste products are simply dumped on the ground the process is cheaper than if they are properly treated.
This isn't really news. We have always had known deposits of rare earth materials. The reason they have not been utilized is the regulations against the processing of the materials into useable forms. Countries like China has little to no restrictions in this area, which is why it has always been left to them to produce for the markets. Even if the materials were as common as dirt, it does not change the regulatory hurdles that have been created in the US. It has always been far cheaper to source the finished products on the opposite side of the planet, paying whatever arbitrary price/profit is demanded. Just because it is called a "Rare Earth" doesn't mean it is rare or hard to source. In the US it happens to be quite common. What is rare is the common sense in legislation. It just doesn't have to be abusive or penalized to be controlled. Just like it doesn't have to be irresponsible to be profitable.
That's been my understanding as well, with large deposits in other countries like Australia, as well. I have nothing against electric transportation technology per se, but many of its staunchest eco-driven advocates have a very NIMBYist (Not in My Back Yard) attitude when it comes to the needed resource extraction. The deforestation, pollution of water supplies, and often dangerous and exploitative working conditions, as well as extensive fossil fuel use involved in many mining operations in Asia and Africa, are out of sight and out of mind.
Um, yes and no: Apparently, Monsanto found a way to circumvent those rules when processing monazite ores in the US - they are extracting only the phospates and are dumping the radioactive leftovers, making the whole region around the processing plant more radioactive than the Trinity Test Site...
Well, it's ND so, ehhh. That area is a waste of space anyhow. Eminent Domain that whole state and move the residents to other slow growing southern states. Virginia and Alabama could use the fresh infusion of unrelated bloodlines.
I will just add that perhaps regulations would not be so restrictive if miners and mining companies had been more responsible with their waste and byproducts in the past, or if they didn't conveniently go "bankrupt"the moment toxins were found in nearby waterways or in humans.
Recently, I was diagnosed with stage 3 liver cancer. Incurable but treatable. Amazingly, I got treatment at MD Anderson Cancer Center, a part of the University of Texas. I am very lucky and happy with my treatment there as an outpatient. You might include MDA in your research for your wife.
We have never had a shortage of rare earth minerals in the USA. The process of refining them has always been made to expensive by environmential requirements that don't exist in most other countries. Here's hoping the concentration is high enough or the regulations are lowered to make this cost competitive with existing supplies.
Very true. There have been other places in the US that were found to have many of the minerals essential for modern battery technology, but the EPA and other environmental groups have kept companies from mining them. The red tape can get very bad in the US, with some states being much worse to deal with than others. However, I don't think ND will stand in the way of mining these minerals, but there is a chance, depending on several factors, that the federal government could try to stop the mining. And the chances of this happening could depend heavily on which political party is in power at the time
Not really, it ran from 1949 to 2002 producing most of the world's supply of rare earths. It closed because of a toxic waste spill and was uneconomical to reopen due to Chinese competition - it finally re-opened in 2012 followed by a series of bankruptcies. Ironically it is now partially owned by the Chinese....
We knew that there were rare-earth metals in the USA, but the cost of extracting was pre-Tesla so too expensive to mine and process. Now that there is a market for these metals we'll see them mined in the USA. You raise a good point that the current reserves are considered not enough...
There’s been a market for it for a while. It’s the previous lower concentrations that were available and chinese willingness to pollute and harm it’s own populous Makes it cheaper
If the coal contains REMs, then the ash from the coal will have a much higher concentration of these minerals and....there will be a much lower mass of material to ship to the refinery. We should be examining all deposits of coal ash from each coal fired power plant to see which ones are worth mining.
The USA had rare earth mining going on, but China permanently undercut their prices and did price dumping, until the US mines were out of business. ruclips.net/video/CARlEac1iuA/видео.html Additionally, they had the burdens of environmental laws and excessive DOE regulations concerning Thorium Dust ( -> alpha emissions) and Xenon_out-gassing. (when inhaled, it is not trivial --> lung cancer; ruclips.net/video/QO32ASTJ4PE/видео.html ). Now, that the US mines are out of business, the prices and demand went up! Besides REMinerals, some ashes contain Th and even U235/238. (coal power plants have more radioactive emissions than reactors, except antineutrinos ( as long as no nuc accident happens ruclips.net/video/kpaiOgo9ThQ/видео.html ) if that Uranium and thorium would be used in modern reactors, the funny thing is, it could produce more electric energy than was produced by the original coal-power-plant in the first place, where the ashes came from.
SOMETIMES. The University of North Dakota's Institute for Energy Studies (IES) was looking at this back in 2016. Not all minerals will remain in the ash. Aside from that, a LOT of fly ash is used in cement and concrete because of the mineral content keeping supply up and cost reasonable.
Congrats Viking, the algorithms have smiled upon you as I notice many commenting are first time viewers, and this video has just shown up in their feed (to include me). As usual, when this happens creators you should see a surge in subs. Good luck, and prayers for your family !
Got one right here! ☝ We explore all over NV and there is a lithium prospecting boom going on right now around central NV. Great timing by YT suggesting this! Wish I could share a photo of the discarded core samples we found out there
The problem with rare earths is not having a mine, it's the enviromental disaster from processing them. That is why almost everyone buys them from China. That way, countries can get cheap rare earths and the disaster + health problems stay in China. Sad but that seems how our world works. I'm glad you kind of covered that towards the end.
China has always been like that. Not too many years ago I would travel to China every two years to inspect the mills that produced our cotton surgical sponges for the American market. My very first visit was an eye opener. We traveled 2 hours out of the city to a very large factory out in the countryside where the labor pool came from the surrounding villages. We had to drive straight through the center of one of the largest villages on the way to the factory. There was a small stream of water that ran through the center of the road that the local children played in, which would come into play later in my trip. During the inspection of this very large factory I asked my interpreter to point me to the nearest bathroom so I could empty my bladder. He asked the factory manager and he just pointed to a door at the back of the building. I went where he pointed and opened the door and found myself looking at the outside of the building behind the factory. Thinking I had made a mistake I went back in and asked my interpreter to once again ask the manager to point me in the right direction. The manager then motioned for me to follow him. He walked me to the very same door, walked out and kept walking until we came to a ditch about 3 feet across and about 4-6 inches deep of running water. This ditch ran the entire length of the building and was their only toilet for over 400 hundred employees. The stench was almost unbearable and I was shocked to comprehend how little they considered hygiene at this factory. After the inspection of the plant we got back on our small bus and got on the road again, but this time I watched as we left the parking lot and noticed the same little stream/ditch that was used as a shitter/urinal ran into the woods running off the property. We then went around a few curves where we would encounter the stream/ditch winding its way right into the town we drove through earlier. And sure enough, it was the same stream/ditch water that the kids were playing in earlier in the day.
China owns most of the world rare earth mines... It's a damn good thing that China is a good trade partner, unlike the US who screws over even their closest allies... I'm a Canadian we're so used to the US screwed by the US over economically its not even considered abnormal, or abusive. I would not, nor do I expect any different in this case.
@@chucklesthered2338 Down the shit creek. Whatta pisser, ya know? We all live downstream... some just farther down than others. Old rural 'out houses' worked pretty good... on the opposite side of the house from the uphill well ; )
I know a guy who discovered a massive tungsten deposit and tried to get it mined by one of the largest players in the world. Turns out, they got super interested and bought rights to it. And then... that company suffered massive stock price downturns after it had some chemical plant problems overseas. It was tried again a few decades later. I don't think he exactly got rich over the thing, but it doesn't hurt to try. You never know what will turn up until you take your geologist hammer out there and look (when looking for veins) ... or in this case, send your samples to a lab and find impurities. And also, you never know how economic recovery will be for a new discovery in an area. If the big company can't afford to build a processing plant for the ore and Chinese prices are extremely low (like what happened to tungsten), then your discovery may never see the light of day. My tungsten guy is still essentially 0 for 2 on leases that produce his mineral. He did get a pickup truck, a few snow machines, and some money out of the deal.
Sam, many people don't understand what Rare Earths are. There's a lot of confusion between rare elements and Rare Earth elements. Rare Earths are two specific groups of heavy elements which are often displayed as two separate sequences in Periodic Tables. Many Rare Earths are actually much more common than Gold, or the Platinum group of elements. But they're generally spread around in very low concentrations and are also hard to separate from one-another and from other elements in economically viable ways. Many of the Rare Earths are indeed radioactive, but are in such low concentrations that they represent very little threat to life, unless concentrated during refining. The main residues from Rare Earth mining and refining are nothing to do with those elements, and might be toxic because of chemicals added to the material during refining. The material is also toxic in the same sense that waste from coal and other mining is toxic; it's tailings, earth and debris which is often no worse than the soil that you might dig up from your garden. You wouldn't want to eat it. But there's an awful lot of it; 2,500 ppm concentration means that 99.75% of the removed material is waste. 300 ppm means that 99.97% of it is waste; 3 kg of useful element from 10 tonnes of ore, compared with 25 kg from 10 tonnes in this newly-discovered concentration. The elements Cobalt, Germanium, Gallium and Lithium, which you mentioned early in the video, are not Rare Earth elements. No Rare Earths have ever been used in car battery production, as far as I'm aware. The only Rare Earths commonly used in EV's are Neodymium and Samarium, which are used in high power permanent magnets in electric motors and generators, including those in wind turbines and EV's. You mentioned this correctly in the second half of the video. And you described correctly the use of efficient electric motors which are being developed that don't need any Neodymium for them to operate properly.
Thank you. I see this confusion everywhere, including people from Munro and Associates. Rare Earths are specific elements, not any element that someone considers to be rare.
@@myronhelton4441 There are enormous nickel deposits in Indonesia. The world is not in danger of running out of nickel. Nickel is not a rare earth element.
@@wattlebough Nowhere on Google does it say the US has found new nickel mines. There will be a nickel shortage in a few years. All the countries that are friendly with China & want to join BRIC, including Indonesia. BRIC countries haver contril of electric car minerals. Indonesia has banned selling nickel to non BRIC countries. All the countries in the world that has rare minerals for electric cars are countries that wont to join BRIC. Africa has many rare earths for the electric car. Africa, the Mideast & even France wants to join BRIC.Even Mexico wants to join BRIC. Cuba has tremousdous amount od rare metals for electric car & US has sanctioned Cuba forever. Great food & rare earth mineral countries such as Indonesia, Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Chole have decoded to only sell to BRIC countries. These countries that I have named has control of most of the world's rare earths & energy & they are going on the gold standard, away from the dollar & pull their moneu out od US> . You know who is winning the war, even though I am not a Putin friend. All those countries in that part of the world are bypassing the Sueaz Canal & Europe that is in bad shape with the virus. Viet Nam & all the other Asian countries are getting part of China;s business & want to join BRIC, Many countries in Europe are dissatisfied & may switch to the BRIC side. Nickel can be recycled, but it cant be recycled if they dont sell certain countries the electric car, so it can be used again when the electric car wears out. China is talking about quit selling Teslas. The US owes China money that the US gave to intitlements or whoever. Drought has hit the world. Record floods from record snow melts has caused big cities hardships to close Walmarts & other stores. I dont see electric cars selling much at all for many years..Click next link. thediplomat.com/2022/12/indonesia-to-appeal-wto-ruling-on-nickel-export-ban/
NioCorp Developments Ltd. engages in the exploration and development of mineral deposits in North America. It owns and develops the Elk Creek niobium/scandium/titanium project that owns one 226.43-acre parcel of land and associated mineral rights, and an additional 40 acres of mineral rights, as well as an optioned land package that covers an area of 1,396 acres located in Johnson County, southeast Nebraska. The company was formerly known as Quantum Rare Earth Developments Corp. and changed its name to NioCorp Developments Ltd. in March 2013. NioCorp Developments Ltd. was incorporated in 1987 and is headquartered in Centennial, Colorado.
If memory serves it was stated that a superfund clean up site in the Salton sea had tons of compounds that were identified as rare earth compounds but the California EPA was preventing the clean up / conversion to useful compounds
Interesting news, first I've heard of this. But I can tell you that between the snails pace of mining companies to commit to such a project, to financing it, to the endless government regulations, environmental regulations and tree hugger lawsuits, mining this deposit in the US will optimistically take 15 years before they extract a single ounce of ore.
@@morrylauder7534 No, I mean optimistically 15 years, more likely to be in excess of 20 years. I invested in multiple exploration mining companies in pre 2008 crash which are still exploration stage. For example, (SVBL) claiming the worlds richest silver deposits, and General Moly (GMO) with their Mt Hope worlds largest molybdenum deposit who declared bankruptcy (2020) and been de-listed on the US exchange, to name a couple.
Factually, Mountain Pass mines 15% of the world rare earth production. Six months ago it started work on building out the separation and processing step, and it started building a Texas facility to manufacture products. Meanwhile, DoD has invested in other facilities like in Australia to source finished products. The govt has already decided on a bipartisan basis to get its act together. Meanwhile, allies like Canada are also moving forward quickly and will overcome traditional barriers. Discovering that J35 engines used a Chinese magnet and the Ukraine war have kickstarted urgent real action.
I have heard that the ash from lignite power plants was once used as a uranium ore. Imagine how much more concentrated the rare earths would be in power plant ash?
The ash from coal power plants has trace uranium, apparently, and that's why China and North Korea has enough for nuclear weapons.. the dirtier the better, so not a great contribution to the world community as they frantically build them
Its in ppm, and not economically recoverable. Realistically the source need to about 1.8% or higher to be economically viable for uranium. Only about 0.7% of natural uranium contains fissile U-235. The rest (U-238) is inert.
The concentration of rare earth elements in coal needs to exceed 300 parts per million to make extraction feasible. Three-hundred parts per million is probably only about twice as high as the dirt outside in your lawn. The highest concentrations in the North Dakota prospecting is about 2,500 parts per million. Pretty exciting though perhaps no longer the future holy grail of electric motors (which are almost all currently using neodymium and dysprosium magnets). Tesla is claiming they have a working alternative.
Rare earth deposits are not so rare but cost of extraction is what made China the main producer. Many sites are too expensive to extract or too far out of the way to make it practical.
Sorry to hear about your wife’s cancer. If you are looking in the United States you might want to consider Dr Stanislaw Burzynski. My fathers cancer was treated by him. He learned about the Burzynski Institute from someone in our area who was sent home to die with stage 4 cancer from the premier cancer institute in my state. They gave him 6 months to live. Burzynski had him in remission within 6 months. My father’s cancer was also successfully treated.
The problem really is that China is more willing to accept the pollution levels from refining these "critical minerals". Therefore they can produce them for lower costs.
North Dakota is a good place to find these minerals. It is sparsely populated, but has full infrastructure to handle big projects, currently relying on substantial income from oil production.
@@82spiders I looked it up. There are 2.51 cows for each person in ND, which places it fourth among the states. Nebraska, Montana, and South Dakota have even higher ratios of cows to people!
The issue is not finding the Rare Earths, which are plentiful, in many countries. The issues are the Refining, and more importantly, manufacturing magnets. These technologies are controlled by China. Until there is a full supply chain ending with the manufacturing of magnets, Rare Earths will have to be sold to China anyway
The 'technologies' are very simple. The reason China is churning out refined materials is they don't give a SHIT about any toxic waste. They're needed MUCH more for batteries than magnets.
Many people have been making these kinds of stories, like it's the answer to our prayers. The biggest problem that arises is getting these ores out of the ground and processed, if they are all even there, and the plants involved in this process, will take about 10 years. By then the EV industry could have completely changed to a different formula, even multiple times. The pollution he mentioned, has mostly been left to other countries outside the U.S. because it was too hazardous to our environment. We want to be carbon and pollution free in our little corner of the world but farm out the polluting aspects of our existence to other countries to make them out of sight and out of mind. To make them pollute their country, so to speak, and not ours. The idiocy behind all this is our slightly cleaner air moves to some other country eventually , and many other country's polluted air moves back around to us in the end.
while its great that the US has found these rare earth deposits, currently over 95% of the processing of rare earths is done in china because it is such a highly toxic and environmentally unfriendly process. it is simply not economically or legally viable for companies to process rare earths here in the US as the environmental regulations are too strict.
authoritarian. Are already massive deposits known in the u.s. that are currently too expensive to extract due to legal hurdles. If it ever matters, they can be made available .
Rare Earth metals are not used in batteries but in the electric motors as they produce much lighter motors. The rare earth discovery you mention as massive may prove to be significant but its its way too early to claim its really massive or significant in terms of a global resource
Rare Earths are NOT rare. They're all over the place. You can't use rare earth ore in a magnet or other industrial processes. China has spent the last 40 years developing and patenting rare earth processing technology. Their processing is currently the cheapest and the least environmentally damaging. An expert said that it would take the US at least 10 years or more to catch up. So US magnets and rare earths would cost 5 times or more. Guess what happens if your motor costs 2x or more than your competitor?
@@henrycarlson7514google search Wong Tsu Boeing. The first aeronautical engineer at boeing was chinese. Corporate espionage happens everywhere. China never forced western companies to move their production facilities to china. It was the greedy CEOs themselves who did.
Not even that, digging for coal and oil is also expensive and polluting. Those companies just have bribed politicians to give them about trillion dollars per year in subsidies. The main issue is that it will take few years to set up the mine and the refinery and actually have any product to sell, and with all the alternate technologies in development because Li-ion batteries and such cost too much somebody might have invented a better tech that uses different materials by then.
My personal philosophy is that every person, community district, state, country, etc should be as self-reliant as possible for their needs, and as inter-reliant as possible for wants, as that will result in the most cooperation and the least conflict.
Bro I'm praying for your wife and your family..it broke my heart to hear you say that then to see her picture..There's no pain like a man seeing his Queen go thru something like that..Me and my family are praying for you and yours bro..Stay strong..God will pull her thru..I know that and have complete faith he will..Peace up bro..
It's always been my understanding that the US has always had plenty of Rare Earth deposits. The problem is that they tend to be found with radioactive minerals. The Chinese have just never cared. They are trying to use the Thorium that is found with many Rare Earth elements, but the US just counts it as Radioactive waste that has to be "properly disposed of" and that is expensive enough that it makes Chinese Rare Earths cheaper to get.
Normally, REMs and clays are found together. Clays are naturally radioactive and vary by chemistry. What makes this news is coal, in this case it's lignite, does not contain very much clay.
We've always had these rare earths available however the US classifies Thorium as nuclear waste and Thorium is always found in and around rare earth deposits. It has a half life about 14 billion years ir you can hold it in your hand with no issues.
@@AdlerMow Yes, but we have idiots making US policy, so don't hold your breath. It's hard to believe that this country was once the "Arsenal of Democracy", but now we cannot even get out of our own way when it comes to critical strategic supply chain issues such as rare earths.
2nd largest deposit in Europe is located under the Donbass in Ukraine and is worth about the same as the deposit in the USA with the advent of the new sodium ion battery.
I just want to ask. Have you looked into how Tesla permanent magnets work without rare earth elements? It's important information. Also check into the work done by the University of Minnesota and creating permanent magnets from iron and nitrogen. Thanks for your show
@@The201Ray Lab-Tesla org -- Tesla only used permanent magnets in his very first alternating current patents. He used them as "exciters" His patent portfolio documents the transition into electromagnets, and then self-excitation.
Whether or not these elements are used for EV motors, they are still needed for other types of linear motors and servomotors, and also many kinds of generators.
The USA in association with Australia are developing a processing plant for rare earths in Australia. An Australian company (Lynas) already processes rare earths from their Australin mine in Malaysia. Australia mines plenty of rare earths. Their is an agreement with the USA that allows lithium and rare earths from Australia to be included in vehicles under the IRA.
The Lynas plant in Malaysia can only refine limited quantities of rare earth in order to contain environmental issues. The operations of the plant is also under close scutiny of locals & environmentalist. Malaysia has in the past shipped back rare earth by products to Australia & was not accepted due to environmental impact.
Seriously doubt ammonia is carcinogenic, it's organic stuff with us since dawn of animals, piss in one place 10X in a week and you generate plant loving ammonia. (just say'n, not arguing with the rest, and ammonia reacted with other things is another matter)
As long as the NRC's overreaction to treating anything with Thorium in it - which is virtually all minerals - as radioactive waste, any mining activity would have to securely dispose of all tailings as such waste instead of just putting it back where found. No one can afford to do that in the USA until NRC recognizes that background radiation levels in waste rock are not dangerous.
There are ways to make electric motors without rare earth materials so that will keep the cost for getting out of control. But we still need to develop a source just in case we need them for future designs and to promote competition.
Not just used for electric cars it's in smart phones and permanant magnets there are many important uses. It may be a rich deposit, but it's also expensive to extract.
Batteries do not use rare earths. Magnets do. Meanwhile, the list of elements you cited in the lignite are STRATEGIC minerals, not rare earths, and none are used in magnets. Lithium is very abundant and prolific (as element number 3, it's easy for Nature to make). North Dakota is a fossil fuels state and, "oops, we get our lignite coal for free while we extract the strategic minerals...wonder what you can do with free coal?"
If you come to the states and go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, you and your family are welcome to stay with me and my family as long as you need bud!
Finding and extracting rare earth minerals is a small but important part of the story. Please focus your next video on the much more intensive process of smelting and extracting the minerals so they can be shipped as raw materials for future manufacturing. The US has no company actually doing the processing of the dug up minerals, and China has had a lock on that. Still true today? Even if the US could smelt and be able to supply battery manufacturers, how much more costly would it be compared to China’s smelters?
As I understand it, rare earth elements are not so much rare and rarely concentrating under natural conditions. Since discovering how useful they are, the search for large low grade deposits has really pricked up. There have recently been reports of large finds in Europe and India. It would be interesting to know the relative concentrations of the recent finds.
@@dercooney True... the only reason most of it is processed in China has little to do with where the minerals are and a lot to do with an authoritarian government that can just shove human needs aside to undercut the market price. The world let China corner the market on rare earths because... why not let them deal with the mess left behind? Their choice, right? If they want to undercut other producers by ignoring the environmental damage, seems like a sweet deal for the rest of the world. Too bad it didn't last. Now our rare earths will cost more, being that it's more expensive to refine in an environmentally responsible way. Hopefully the new cheap "super" iron-based magnets will remove a lot of the need for rare earths.
@@dercooney yeah, and that may never change, due to the low concentrations even in "high" grade ore, of course there is intense research into improving this, seen some right here on this dreadful platform..
Yeah...they are lying. It's their sinophobia and them realizing that China is now ending the western white supremacy that drives them to lie just like the Nazis lied regarding winning with their terrorist actions against the USSR...or them and the western Ukrainian fascists winning against Russia...not aware that US over 300 million Slavic people are standing on Russia's side...and want our countries cleaned as well from fascist scum....something the US. Ever does regarding its racist groups and companies that only exploit people.
The issue isn't finding the ironically name "Rare Earths", the issue has been getting permits for mining, and more important the value add step which is refining these elements. No one wants these plants near their town because of the large amount of pollution and potential for pollution created by the plants. Not to mention getting EPA permits for mining and processing are almost impossible in any first world country.
The problem is the efficiency and processing purity with the lowest cost that is important to be competitive, the west cannot compete with China, the environmental regulations in the west has one of the most stringent laws where China local authorities are able to overcome easily.
@@dansanger5340 It’s only for the car manufacturers with the union that will benefit from this subsidies, not the supply chain from the raw material suppliers. Go look it up.
Both in Canada in the United States, because the environmental pollution regulations they can take it out of the ground, but they cannot grind it up because it causes too much pollution. They put the rocks on border freighter and send it to China for processing. Rare earth min😢.
Send to China so that processing and factories and pollution are concentrated in there and China exports the annual viruses and pandemics along with with processed rare earths. A strategy that is equally destructive for all the countries of the world and mankind as a whole.
For years rare earth metal deposits in the US were known, but the Federal Government has prohibited mining just as they're trying to ban petroleum drilling. You just don't realized how abundant the US is in minerals, petroleum, and other natural resources.
praying wont do shit, do you know what helps? educating yourself and someday use your knowledge to help improving medical treatments or other useful things
@@yoshtg while prayer is overrated by many people who would prefer to sit around, it’s not worthless by any means. It does frustrate me when people use it as an excuse to not do anything, though.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis but thats exactly what people do, they constantly use it as an excuse to not to anything. in fact most people are full of excuses to not do anything and thats also why most people are poor losers. we could already live in such an advanced society if it wasnt for all these lazy delusional losers out there. the main reason why people are religious these days is because they think "its too difficult to change reality with technology so i will just make myself delusional and change the reality in my head because thats way easier"
It was always there in theU.S.. The U.S. Gov. knew about it. It'sjust no one dug it up because it's dangerous work, and purifying it is difficult, so they outsourced it.
Rare earths were always known to be found in North America. It just was always easier to go shopping and not bother the US legislators and authorities with the permits and the pollution. The recent changes in China have made it clear that there should be alternative source for these minerals.
No, USA used to be the world source of rare earths until the moronic bill of 1980 labeled Thorium/Uranium as ~nuclear waste and since these minerals are found with Th/U often refining these minerals is hopeless economically due to said regulations. USA by itself has 60% of the worlds rare earths production but 0% of the worlds refining of rare earths. In fact USA ships a lot of their rare earths to China to be processed... "Brilliant" eh?
@@bobmorane4926 patents don’t last as long as copyrights do, and may not apply in some cases anyway. Some other good news is that other countries are developing production processes to bypass Beijing entirely.
Well, the real problem is to extract and process the stuff cheap enough to compete and preferably not ruin this environment in the area completely in this process. Finding a large deposit is just the first baby step in the process.
Yep, super common. The US has huge deposits that could be used in car motor magnets where low level radioactivity is absolutely irrelevant, but it is illegal. It's not even a problem democracies should have.
Agreed, one less reason to trade with China. I have often wondered why our Australia, with it’s enormous resources of iron ore, bauxite (aluminium ore), lithium ore, and an area similar to USA hasn’t found it’s cache of rare earth elements, maybe it just simply needs to be discovered like this USA find.
Australia has it's share of rare earths. Lynas has a working mine in WA , a processing plant in Malaysia and is currently building a processing plant near Kalgoorlie. So Australia too is shaking off the yoke of Chinese dependence.
The definition of "rare earths" using the periodic table of elements is the lanthanides (57-71) and in some definitions, the actinides (89-103). Other minerals may be scarce (or in the wrong place). But they are not "rare earths". I think that for many years, the "rare earths" had no particular use, so geologists did not go to any trouble to distinguish them.
Yeah it takes time but interesting how we find more of what we value and seek, happens every time. (10X more petroleum available today then 20 yrs ago)
That would not be any problem for the United States. It has the capital, the labor and machine resources, and the expertise to build what ever it wants. It's highly highky unlikely the dollar is abandoned globally, even if some countries abandon the dollar. The US with its 340 million people, is still a quarter of the global economy.
Exactly, Australia is chock-a-block with the stuff. The other element (woo-hoo a pun) in the conundrum is the market for rare earths to make the risk of extracting or processing them worthwhile. Europe for instance will do its usual and embargo Australia and get its supply instead from some desperate tyrant to ensure that their stockpiles are as erratic as their strategic incompetence can make them.
Thorium isn't a liability but an asset. It can be used for safe energy production with a half-life of some 79 years as opposed to uranium's 259,000 years, and it can not be used to create weapons.
Even if they have rare earth deposit, wouldn't it be unproductive to mine it in the US since the US dosen't do that kind of stuff anymore + no cheap labour and expertise
@@tedmoss the US know how to automate but automate in that specific area, I don't think they even have a top tier tech for it. Same for the expertise. The US do have expertise but not so much in that specific area as well.
@@tedmoss The issue with refining is not automation; it's pollution. Most electric motors are induction motors made mostly of steel and copper. The issue for electric cars is not generic induction motors, but small, lightweight, high-performance motors, unless you want a bulky, heavy (beyond how heavy they already are), inefficient EV.
@@henrycarlson7514 Can you share with us which of the 17 rare earth elements is used in EV batteries? Are they used in the anode, cathode or electrolyte?
Our prayers go out to you and your wife for a speedy recovery.
Thank you so much 😊
This video is the first time I've seen you or your channel, I hope your wife recovers somehow and becomes in remission. That is a tough break man and it's brave of you guys to show the world her vulnerable state. Goodluck and I am very grateful for your video.
I have a channel? But thanks for your concern! My wife is the best thing that ever happened to me!!
Thank you 😊
Prayers 🙏🏻 for your wife and good thoughts your way my Friend ✌🏻
Thank you 😊
I'm 12 years out of date (retired) on this topic, and the situation may have changed, so what I'm saying may be wrong now. That said rare earth are really difficult to purify. The cost is not in the mining but in the purification, in particular the treatment and disposal waste products. The Electric Viking was right in the amount of waste produced. --- China dominated the production of rare earths because of lax enforcement of disposal of the hazardous waste. Chinese laws on chemical waste are good as written, but they are entirely ignored. Not having to pay for disposal cost has allowed them to sell their product below the cost of production for ethical producers. -- Higher quality ore will help, but I'm not sure it will be cost competitive.
Actinides are part of the 'waste' of rare earth mining. Rare earth mines should operate in part by Uranium fuel cycle small modular reactors, and eventually thorium-uranium SMR's. They can largely decouple from fossil fuel costs, have abundant energy to process other wastes to minimize impact, and also sell fission products.
Waste -> incredible profits.
the process of isolation it's time consuming and very costly that's why no other Countries wants to work with it; the facility has to be mostly if not all containers of stainless steel
Then ban Chinese products that don't meet environment standards
@@tanner3801 The separation of actinides is done by countercurrent extraction. The waste products are the organic and aqueous phases. If the waste products are simply dumped on the ground the process is cheaper than if they are properly treated.
There will be massive issues in trying to get them mined under the current EPA regulations.
This isn't really news. We have always had known deposits of rare earth materials. The reason they have not been utilized is the regulations against the processing of the materials into useable forms. Countries like China has little to no restrictions in this area, which is why it has always been left to them to produce for the markets. Even if the materials were as common as dirt, it does not change the regulatory hurdles that have been created in the US. It has always been far cheaper to source the finished products on the opposite side of the planet, paying whatever arbitrary price/profit is demanded. Just because it is called a "Rare Earth" doesn't mean it is rare or hard to source. In the US it happens to be quite common. What is rare is the common sense in legislation. It just doesn't have to be abusive or penalized to be controlled. Just like it doesn't have to be irresponsible to be profitable.
That's been my understanding as well, with large deposits in other countries like Australia, as well. I have nothing against electric transportation technology per se, but many of its staunchest eco-driven advocates have a very NIMBYist (Not in My Back Yard) attitude when it comes to the needed resource extraction. The deforestation, pollution of water supplies, and often dangerous and exploitative working conditions, as well as extensive fossil fuel use involved in many mining operations in Asia and Africa, are out of sight and out of mind.
Um, yes and no: Apparently, Monsanto found a way to circumvent those rules when processing monazite ores in the US - they are extracting only the phospates and are dumping the radioactive leftovers, making the whole region around the processing plant more radioactive than the Trinity Test Site...
Well, it's ND so, ehhh. That area is a waste of space anyhow. Eminent Domain that whole state and move the residents to other slow growing southern states. Virginia and Alabama could use the fresh infusion of unrelated bloodlines.
Your opinion is absolutely accurate & true …..
I will just add that perhaps regulations would not be so restrictive if miners and mining companies had been more responsible with their waste and byproducts in the past, or if they didn't conveniently go "bankrupt"the moment toxins were found in nearby waterways or in humans.
Recently, I was diagnosed with stage 3 liver cancer. Incurable but treatable. Amazingly, I got treatment at MD Anderson Cancer Center, a part of the University of Texas. I am very lucky and happy with my treatment there as an outpatient. You might include MDA in your research for your wife.
God bless your wife and family! We’ll pray for her recovery 🙏
We have never had a shortage of rare earth minerals in the USA. The process of refining them has always been made to expensive by environmential requirements that don't exist in most other countries. Here's hoping the concentration is high enough or the regulations are lowered to make this cost competitive with existing supplies.
Deregulation leads to systemic contamination and Americans sick and dead.
Or to export the raw material to another country.. like Mexico… or maybe get the EPA to admit that Climate Change is a hoax
Race to the bottom
Very true. There have been other places in the US that were found to have many of the minerals essential for modern battery technology, but the EPA and other environmental groups have kept companies from mining them. The red tape can get very bad in the US, with some states being much worse to deal with than others. However, I don't think ND will stand in the way of mining these minerals, but there is a chance, depending on several factors, that the federal government could try to stop the mining. And the chances of this happening could depend heavily on which political party is in power at the time
@@la7era1u54 A good reason to vote Republican.
Sorry, my daughter had bone cancer and lost her leg at 12, she now 14 and I just saw her in a dance show last night. Keep hope!!!!
I am so sorry for your family's struggle. Godspeed be with your wife's fight. Your content easily earned a follow from me.
rare earths are everywhere. Molycorp 15 years ago discovered the mountainpass mine in california but couldn't get past the red tape to develop it.
Not really, it ran from 1949 to 2002 producing most of the world's supply of rare earths. It closed because of a toxic waste spill and was uneconomical to reopen due to Chinese competition - it finally re-opened in 2012 followed by a series of bankruptcies. Ironically it is now partially owned by the Chinese....
I'm so sorry to hear about your wife. I will pray for strength for you and healing for your wife. Thank you for letting us know.
We knew that there were rare-earth metals in the USA, but the cost of extracting was pre-Tesla so too expensive to mine and process. Now that there is a market for these metals we'll see them mined in the USA.
You raise a good point that the current reserves are considered not enough...
There’s been a market for it for a while.
It’s the previous lower concentrations that were available and chinese willingness to pollute and harm it’s own populous
Makes it cheaper
I'm a new viewer. And my prayers are going up for healing for your wife. God bless her and your whole family.
A few months ago, Turkey also claimed to have discovered a big Rare Earth mine in their country. Many other country also made similar claim.
God bless your wife and your family. Donated.
God bless you and your family. Prayers are with you and your wife. 🙏
Dude my heart goes out to you and the family Mate. You all keep your heads up!
If the coal contains REMs, then the ash from the coal will have a much higher concentration of these minerals and....there will be a much lower mass of material to ship to the refinery. We should be examining all deposits of coal ash from each coal fired power plant to see which ones are worth mining.
The USA had rare earth mining going on, but China permanently undercut their prices and did price dumping, until the US mines were out of business. ruclips.net/video/CARlEac1iuA/видео.html Additionally, they had the burdens of environmental laws and excessive DOE regulations concerning Thorium Dust ( -> alpha emissions) and Xenon_out-gassing. (when inhaled, it is not trivial --> lung cancer; ruclips.net/video/QO32ASTJ4PE/видео.html ). Now, that the US mines are out of business, the prices and demand went up!
Besides REMinerals, some ashes contain Th and even U235/238. (coal power plants have more radioactive emissions than reactors, except antineutrinos ( as long as no nuc accident happens ruclips.net/video/kpaiOgo9ThQ/видео.html )
if that Uranium and thorium would be used in modern reactors, the funny thing is, it could produce more electric energy than was produced by the original coal-power-plant in the first place, where the ashes came from.
Excellent thinkin
REMs? I didn't even know that coal had eyes!
I reckon that bots will be digging up landfills for the plastics, paper products, metals, batteries etc., at some point.
SOMETIMES. The University of North Dakota's Institute for Energy Studies (IES) was looking at this back in 2016. Not all minerals will remain in the ash. Aside from that, a LOT of fly ash is used in cement and concrete because of the mineral content keeping supply up and cost reasonable.
So sorry to hear about your wife's health issue. I wish the best for your wife and hope for a good outcome. ❤
Congrats Viking, the algorithms have smiled upon you as I notice many commenting are first time viewers, and this video has just shown up in their feed (to include me).
As usual, when this happens creators you should see a surge in subs. Good luck, and prayers for your family !
Yep, first time I’ve seen the channel. Sure hope his wife beats her cancer.
Got one right here! ☝ We explore all over NV and there is a lithium prospecting boom going on right now around central NV. Great timing by YT suggesting this! Wish I could share a photo of the discarded core samples we found out there
The problem with rare earths is not having a mine, it's the enviromental disaster from processing them. That is why almost everyone buys them from China. That way, countries can get cheap rare earths and the disaster + health problems stay in China. Sad but that seems how our world works. I'm glad you kind of covered that towards the end.
China has always been like that. Not too many years ago I would travel to China every two years to inspect the mills that produced our cotton surgical sponges for the American market. My very first visit was an eye opener. We traveled 2 hours out of the city to a very large factory out in the countryside where the labor pool came from the surrounding villages. We had to drive straight through the center of one of the largest villages on the way to the factory. There was a small stream of water that ran through the center of the road that the local children played in, which would come into play later in my trip. During the inspection of this very large factory I asked my interpreter to point me to the nearest bathroom so I could empty my bladder. He asked the factory manager and he just pointed to a door at the back of the building. I went where he pointed and opened the door and found myself looking at the outside of the building behind the factory. Thinking I had made a mistake I went back in and asked my interpreter to once again ask the manager to point me in the right direction. The manager then motioned for me to follow him. He walked me to the very same door, walked out and kept walking until we came to a ditch about 3 feet across and about 4-6 inches deep of running water. This ditch ran the entire length of the building and was their only toilet for over 400 hundred employees. The stench was almost unbearable and I was shocked to comprehend how little they considered hygiene at this factory. After the inspection of the plant we got back on our small bus and got on the road again, but this time I watched as we left the parking lot and noticed the same little stream/ditch that was used as a shitter/urinal ran into the woods running off the property. We then went around a few curves where we would encounter the stream/ditch winding its way right into the town we drove through earlier. And sure enough, it was the same stream/ditch water that the kids were playing in earlier in the day.
Greens looking the other way while paying other countries to do the dirty work for them.
@@chucklesthered2338 Wow! Sad story.
China owns most of the world rare earth mines...
It's a damn good thing that China is a good trade partner, unlike the US who screws over even their closest allies... I'm a Canadian we're so used to the US screwed by the US over economically its not even considered abnormal, or abusive.
I would not, nor do I expect any different in this case.
@@chucklesthered2338 Down the shit creek. Whatta pisser, ya know? We all live downstream... some just farther down than others. Old rural 'out houses' worked pretty good... on the opposite side of the house from the uphill well ; )
I know a guy who discovered a massive tungsten deposit and tried to get it mined by one of the largest players in the world. Turns out, they got super interested and bought rights to it. And then... that company suffered massive stock price downturns after it had some chemical plant problems overseas. It was tried again a few decades later. I don't think he exactly got rich over the thing, but it doesn't hurt to try. You never know what will turn up until you take your geologist hammer out there and look (when looking for veins) ... or in this case, send your samples to a lab and find impurities. And also, you never know how economic recovery will be for a new discovery in an area. If the big company can't afford to build a processing plant for the ore and Chinese prices are extremely low (like what happened to tungsten), then your discovery may never see the light of day. My tungsten guy is still essentially 0 for 2 on leases that produce his mineral. He did get a pickup truck, a few snow machines, and some money out of the deal.
Sam, many people don't understand what Rare Earths are. There's a lot of confusion between rare elements and Rare Earth elements.
Rare Earths are two specific groups of heavy elements which are often displayed as two separate sequences in Periodic Tables. Many Rare Earths are actually much more common than Gold, or the Platinum group of elements. But they're generally spread around in very low concentrations and are also hard to separate from one-another and from other elements in economically viable ways.
Many of the Rare Earths are indeed radioactive, but are in such low concentrations that they represent very little threat to life, unless concentrated during refining. The main residues from Rare Earth mining and refining are nothing to do with those elements, and might be toxic because of chemicals added to the material during refining. The material is also toxic in the same sense that waste from coal and other mining is toxic; it's tailings, earth and debris which is often no worse than the soil that you might dig up from your garden. You wouldn't want to eat it. But there's an awful lot of it; 2,500 ppm concentration means that 99.75% of the removed material is waste. 300 ppm means that 99.97% of it is waste; 3 kg of useful element from 10 tonnes of ore, compared with 25 kg from 10 tonnes in this newly-discovered concentration.
The elements Cobalt, Germanium, Gallium and Lithium, which you mentioned early in the video, are not Rare Earth elements. No Rare Earths have ever been used in car battery production, as far as I'm aware. The only Rare Earths commonly used in EV's are Neodymium and Samarium, which are used in high power permanent magnets in electric motors and generators, including those in wind turbines and EV's. You mentioned this correctly in the second half of the video. And you described correctly the use of efficient electric motors which are being developed that don't need any Neodymium for them to operate properly.
Thank you for making that clear.
Thank you. I see this confusion everywhere, including people from Munro and Associates. Rare Earths are specific elements, not any element that someone considers to be rare.
There is no confusion that the worlde is running out of rare earth nickel & others soon.
@@myronhelton4441 There are enormous nickel deposits in Indonesia. The world is not in danger of running out of nickel. Nickel is not a rare earth element.
@@wattlebough Nowhere on Google does it say the US has found new nickel mines. There will be a nickel shortage in a few years. All the countries that are friendly with China & want to join BRIC, including Indonesia. BRIC countries haver contril of electric car minerals. Indonesia has banned selling nickel to non BRIC countries. All the countries in the world that has rare minerals for electric cars are countries that wont to join BRIC. Africa has many rare earths for the electric car. Africa, the Mideast & even France wants to join BRIC.Even Mexico wants to join BRIC. Cuba has tremousdous amount od rare metals for electric car & US has sanctioned Cuba forever. Great food & rare earth mineral countries such as Indonesia, Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Chole have decoded to only sell to BRIC countries. These countries that I have named has control of most of the world's rare earths & energy & they are going on the gold standard, away from the dollar & pull their moneu out od US> . You know who is winning the war, even though I am not a Putin friend. All those countries in that part of the world are bypassing the Sueaz Canal & Europe that is in bad shape with the virus. Viet Nam & all the other Asian countries are getting part of China;s business & want to join BRIC, Many countries in Europe are dissatisfied & may switch to the BRIC side. Nickel can be recycled, but it cant be recycled if they dont sell certain countries the electric car, so it can be used again when the electric car wears out. China is talking about quit selling Teslas. The US owes China money that the US gave to intitlements or whoever. Drought has hit the world. Record floods from record snow melts has caused big cities hardships to close Walmarts & other stores. I dont see electric cars selling much at all for many years..Click next link. thediplomat.com/2022/12/indonesia-to-appeal-wto-ruling-on-nickel-export-ban/
Prayers are with you. Peace.
NioCorp Developments Ltd. engages in the exploration and development of mineral deposits in North America. It owns and develops the Elk Creek niobium/scandium/titanium project that owns one 226.43-acre parcel of land and associated mineral rights, and an additional 40 acres of mineral rights, as well as an optioned land package that covers an area of 1,396 acres located in Johnson County, southeast Nebraska. The company was formerly known as Quantum Rare Earth Developments Corp. and changed its name to NioCorp Developments Ltd. in March 2013. NioCorp Developments Ltd. was incorporated in 1987 and is headquartered in Centennial, Colorado.
If memory serves it was stated that a superfund clean up site in the Salton sea had tons of compounds that were identified as rare earth compounds but the California EPA was preventing the clean up / conversion to useful compounds
The Salton Sea is seriously Lithium rich.
Sending your wife all positive thoughts for her cancer. My ex had stage 4 and recovered 11 years ago.
Love from titania
Interesting news, first I've heard of this. But I can tell you that between the snails pace of mining companies to commit to such a project, to financing it, to the endless government regulations, environmental regulations and tree hugger lawsuits, mining this deposit in the US will optimistically take 15 years before they extract a single ounce of ore.
I think you mean pessimistically. Might be an ounce or two extracted sooner than 15 years.
You don't think "national security" is going to make a difference in allowing this much more quickly?
@@morrylauder7534 No, I mean optimistically 15 years, more likely to be in excess of 20 years. I invested in multiple exploration mining companies in pre 2008 crash which are still exploration stage. For example, (SVBL) claiming the worlds richest silver deposits, and General Moly (GMO) with their Mt Hope worlds largest molybdenum deposit who declared bankruptcy (2020) and been de-listed on the US exchange, to name a couple.
Factually, Mountain Pass mines 15% of the world rare earth production. Six months ago it started work on building out the separation and processing step, and it started building a Texas facility to manufacture products. Meanwhile, DoD has invested in other facilities like in Australia to source finished products. The govt has already decided on a bipartisan basis to get its act together. Meanwhile, allies like Canada are also moving forward quickly and will overcome traditional barriers. Discovering that J35 engines used a Chinese magnet and the Ukraine war have kickstarted urgent real action.
@@fredflinstone8628 I hope they can get past the red tape , and ALL of the rest CRAP
The magnets used in the motors that drive electric vehicles incorporate rare-earth elements. I haven't heard of them being used in batteries before.
Does da hairpin
Lithium ring a bell?
@@heliosgnosis2744 Li isn't an REE.
@chipcook1911 Which of the 17 REEs La-Yb is Li?
@chipcook1911 If a video presenter includes a cat in the class of dogs, does that make a cat a dog?
I have heard that the ash from lignite power plants was once used as a uranium ore. Imagine how much more concentrated the rare earths would be in power plant ash?
The ash from coal power plants has trace uranium, apparently, and that's why China and North Korea has enough for nuclear weapons.. the dirtier the better, so not a great contribution to the world community as they frantically build them
Its in ppm, and not economically recoverable. Realistically the source need to about 1.8% or higher to be economically viable for uranium. Only about 0.7% of natural uranium contains fissile U-235. The rest (U-238) is inert.
Good point! I'm sure if the need is there a way will be found to extract rare earths from poor sources - like oil...
Soluble UO2++ becomes insoluble UO2 in coal beds. RE metals do not do this.
Possibly true-for many years, the US Vanadium supply came from oil fired power plants chimney ash.
Prayers out to your wife 🙏🙏🙏
I wish well for your wife. She will be fine and healthy!
This was an interesting, informative report. Thank you, sir. :)
The concentration of rare earth elements in coal needs to exceed 300 parts per million to make extraction feasible.
Three-hundred parts per million is probably only about twice as high as the dirt outside in your lawn.
The highest concentrations in the North Dakota prospecting is about 2,500 parts per million. Pretty exciting though perhaps no longer the future holy grail of electric motors (which are almost all currently using neodymium and dysprosium magnets).
Tesla is claiming they have a working alternative.
Cool. Were back!😂 prayer for your family. Wishing treatment success.❤
Rare earth deposits are not so rare but cost of extraction is what made China the main producer. Many sites are too expensive to extract or too far out of the way to make it practical.
Pollution, refining process is also a nightmare.
And China gets more expensive every day. It's really capitalism in action. China will be used until it's too expensive.
@@jasonk203
Your information is outdated.
Sorry to hear about your wife’s cancer. If you are looking in the United States you might want to consider Dr Stanislaw Burzynski. My fathers cancer was treated by him. He learned about the Burzynski Institute from someone in our area who was sent home to die with stage 4 cancer from the premier cancer institute in my state. They gave him 6 months to live. Burzynski had him in remission within 6 months. My father’s cancer was also successfully treated.
The problem really is that China is more willing to accept the pollution levels from refining these "critical minerals". Therefore they can produce them for lower costs.
Nope not really they are turning desserts into green in some places to expand their habitable territory in the west. That’s fake news
This is where I live and have driven by these area’s several times! Thanks for the report !
North Dakota is a good place to find these minerals. It is sparsely populated, but has full infrastructure to handle big projects, currently relying on substantial income from oil production.
There isn't anybody in North Dakota. More cows than people.
@@82spiders only need a few people to run a drill rig....got one right outside my window....
@@82spiders I looked it up. There are 2.51 cows for each person in ND, which places it fourth among the states. Nebraska, Montana, and South Dakota have even higher ratios of cows to people!
Minnesota too, I kno tsla had a deal with Tamarac nickel mine there
Little correction, the vein in Idaho is 32 meters wide, not 30 feet
They might find similar concentrations of rare earth metals across the border in Canada.
Yep, we have them.
That's good news provided that it's actually true. The U.S. needs to be totally independent from all its mortal enemies.
The issue is not finding the Rare Earths, which are plentiful, in many countries. The issues are the Refining, and more importantly, manufacturing magnets. These technologies are controlled by China. Until there is a full supply chain ending with the manufacturing of magnets, Rare Earths will have to be sold to China anyway
The 'technologies' are very simple. The reason China is churning out refined materials is they don't give a SHIT about any toxic waste. They're needed MUCH more for batteries than magnets.
First time I've noticed this channel on my feed. Suscribed, liked etc. The more we know, the better.
Many people have been making these kinds of stories, like it's the answer to our prayers. The biggest problem that arises is getting these ores out of the ground and processed, if they are all even there, and the plants involved in this process, will take about 10 years. By then the EV industry could have completely changed to a different formula, even multiple times. The pollution he mentioned, has mostly been left to other countries outside the U.S. because it was too hazardous to our environment. We want to be carbon and pollution free in our little corner of the world but farm out the polluting aspects of our existence to other countries to make them out of sight and out of mind. To make them pollute their country, so to speak, and not ours. The idiocy behind all this is our slightly cleaner air moves to some other country eventually , and many other country's polluted air moves back around to us in the end.
Yeah...once again they are bullshitting.
At some point, the recycling of existing spent batteries, will provide all the rare earth materials to be re-used. No need to mine!
yeah and offshore processing doesnt care much about eviroment...
Well said… the new motors coming out don’t need these magnets…
@@rozonoemi9374 all is unrealistic but 95 to 99% yeah. You will have loses in the process and also transportation.
while its great that the US has found these rare earth deposits, currently over 95% of the processing of rare earths is done in china because it is such a highly toxic and environmentally unfriendly process. it is simply not economically or legally viable for companies to process rare earths here in the US as the environmental regulations are too strict.
authoritarian. Are already massive deposits known in the u.s. that are currently too expensive to extract due to legal hurdles. If it ever matters, they can be made available .
Best news I heard all week! Thanks!
Rare Earth metals are not used in batteries but in the electric motors as they produce much lighter motors.
The rare earth discovery you mention as massive may prove to be significant but its its way too early to claim its really massive or significant in terms of a global resource
Why would the US want to give a single gram away?
This isn't news, it's known a long time
just to make a video that's all.
@@heliosgnosis2744 money
Rare Element Recorses in Wyoming . Backed by General Atomics.
Lynas Rare Earths are building processing in Port Lavaca Texas .
Rare Earths are NOT rare. They're all over the place. You can't use rare earth ore in a magnet or other industrial processes. China has spent the last 40 years developing and patenting rare earth processing technology. Their processing is currently the cheapest and the least environmentally damaging. An expert said that it would take the US at least 10 years or more to catch up. So US magnets and rare earths would cost 5 times or more. Guess what happens if your motor costs 2x or more than your competitor?
If it is going to take 10 years to catch up it is definitely time to start, isn't it.
Every country throw their rare earth to China to process.
So we do what China did , STEAL the teck
@@henrycarlson7514google search Wong Tsu Boeing. The first aeronautical engineer at boeing was chinese.
Corporate espionage happens everywhere. China never forced western companies to move their production facilities to china. It was the greedy CEOs themselves who did.
Glad we have it here. Hope the regulatory departments don’t get in the way and keep us from getting it out of the ground.
Its not about the deposit, the thing is the extraction thats costly and very poluting
Not even that, digging for coal and oil is also expensive and polluting. Those companies just have bribed politicians to give them about trillion dollars per year in subsidies.
The main issue is that it will take few years to set up the mine and the refinery and actually have any product to sell, and with all the alternate technologies in development because Li-ion batteries and such cost too much somebody might have invented a better tech that uses different materials by then.
Prayers for her and your family. My wife is stage 3 and doing chemotherapy.
Thanks Mate!
Rare earth are NOT used in electric batteries.
New sub here . People let the adds run all the way so this man will get more money from utube . Prayers for you and yours My friend..........
Love for you and your wife.
BLESSINGS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SIR !!
One of Tesla's goals is to eliminate rare earths in the production of its EVs.
Best of luck to your wife and your family!
This sounds like great news. I have varry little knowledge about rare earth materials. Thank you for your videos that helps educate people.
My personal philosophy is that every person, community district, state, country, etc should be as self-reliant as possible for their needs, and as inter-reliant as possible for wants, as that will result in the most cooperation and the least conflict.
Don't hold your breath.
Bro I'm praying for your wife and your family..it broke my heart to hear you say that then to see her picture..There's no pain like a man seeing his Queen go thru something like that..Me and my family are praying for you and yours bro..Stay strong..God will pull her thru..I know that and have complete faith he will..Peace up bro..
Rare earths are not used in batteries. They are used in magnets for electric car motors.
May be including cobalt and lithium as a ‘rare earth’???? Dunno
It's always been my understanding that the US has always had plenty of Rare Earth deposits. The problem is that they tend to be found with radioactive minerals. The Chinese have just never cared. They are trying to use the Thorium that is found with many Rare Earth elements, but the US just counts it as Radioactive waste that has to be "properly disposed of" and that is expensive enough that it makes Chinese Rare Earths cheaper to get.
Plus, China subsided production.
Normally, REMs and clays are found together. Clays are naturally radioactive and vary by chemistry. What makes this news is coal, in this case it's lignite, does not contain very much clay.
We've always had these rare earths available however the US classifies Thorium as nuclear waste and Thorium is always found in and around rare earth deposits. It has a half life about 14 billion years ir you can hold it in your hand with no issues.
Use the Thorium in nuclear reactors?
@@AdlerMow Yes, but we have idiots making US policy, so don't hold your breath. It's hard to believe that this country was once the "Arsenal of Democracy", but now we cannot even get out of our own way when it comes to critical strategic supply chain issues such as rare earths.
2nd largest deposit in Europe is located under the Donbass in Ukraine and is worth about the same as the deposit in the USA with the advent of the new sodium ion battery.
I just want to ask. Have you looked into how Tesla permanent magnets work without rare earth elements? It's important information. Also check into the work done by the University of Minnesota and creating permanent magnets from iron and nitrogen. Thanks for your show
Right but what powers those magnets is rare earth lithium
@@The201Ray Lab-Tesla org -- Tesla only used permanent magnets in his very first alternating current patents. He used them as "exciters" His patent portfolio documents the transition into electromagnets, and then self-excitation.
Whether or not these elements are used for EV motors, they are still needed for other types of linear motors and servomotors, and also many kinds of generators.
They are what gave us ear buds. The rare earth magnet is made from these materials.
The USA in association with Australia are developing a processing plant for rare earths in Australia. An Australian company (Lynas) already processes rare earths from their Australin mine in Malaysia. Australia mines plenty of rare earths. Their is an agreement with the USA that allows lithium and rare earths from Australia to be included in vehicles under the IRA.
The Lynas plant in Malaysia can only refine limited quantities of rare earth in order to contain environmental issues. The operations of the plant is also under close scutiny of locals & environmentalist. Malaysia has in the past shipped back rare earth by products to Australia & was not accepted due to environmental impact.
Australia should process it in Australia stop exploiting others countries.
Rare Earths are also found in America the problem is in the processing system because it is very difficult and costly
Seriously doubt ammonia is carcinogenic, it's organic stuff with us since dawn of animals, piss in one place 10X in a week and you generate plant loving ammonia. (just say'n, not arguing with the rest, and ammonia reacted with other things is another matter)
As long as the NRC's overreaction to treating anything with Thorium in it - which is virtually all minerals - as radioactive waste, any mining activity would have to securely dispose of all tailings as such waste instead of just putting it back where found. No one can afford to do that in the USA until NRC recognizes that background radiation levels in waste rock are not dangerous.
There are ways to make electric motors without rare earth materials so that will keep the cost for getting out of control. But we still need to develop a source just in case we need them for future designs and to promote competition.
Not just used for electric cars it's in smart phones and permanant magnets there are many important uses. It may be a rich deposit, but it's also expensive to extract.
Batteries do not use rare earths. Magnets do. Meanwhile, the list of elements you cited in the lignite are STRATEGIC minerals, not rare earths, and none are used in magnets.
Lithium is very abundant and prolific (as element number 3, it's easy for Nature to make). North Dakota is a fossil fuels state and, "oops, we get our lignite coal for free while we extract the strategic minerals...wonder what you can do with free coal?"
Sell it to the British heritage railways, they could use some affordable coal right now.
The only way that nature is making Lithium is in stars and eventual explosion of them
If you come to the states and go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, you and your family are welcome to stay with me and my family as long as you need bud!
Finding and extracting rare earth minerals is a small but important part of the story. Please focus your next video on the much more intensive process of smelting and extracting the minerals so they can be shipped as raw materials for future manufacturing. The US has no company actually doing the processing of the dug up minerals, and China has had a lock on that. Still true today? Even if the US could smelt and be able to supply battery manufacturers, how much more costly would it be compared to China’s smelters?
At least we would not be relying on a Communist ,unstable , Freedom Stealler
Good luck for you and your family man...
As I understand it, rare earth elements are not so much rare and rarely concentrating under natural conditions. Since discovering how useful they are, the search for large low grade deposits has really pricked up. There have recently been reports of large finds in Europe and India. It would be interesting to know the relative concentrations of the recent finds.
basically true. they've never been viewed as rare (in modern times), the extraction methods are just awful.
@@dercooney True... the only reason most of it is processed in China has little to do with where the minerals are and a lot to do with an authoritarian government that can just shove human needs aside to undercut the market price. The world let China corner the market on rare earths because... why not let them deal with the mess left behind? Their choice, right?
If they want to undercut other producers by ignoring the environmental damage, seems like a sweet deal for the rest of the world. Too bad it didn't last. Now our rare earths will cost more, being that it's more expensive to refine in an environmentally responsible way.
Hopefully the new cheap "super" iron-based magnets will remove a lot of the need for rare earths.
@@dercooney yeah, and that may never change, due to the low concentrations even in "high" grade ore, of course there is intense research into improving this, seen some right here on this dreadful platform..
Yeah...they are lying. It's their sinophobia and them realizing that China is now ending the western white supremacy that drives them to lie just like the Nazis lied regarding winning with their terrorist actions against the USSR...or them and the western Ukrainian fascists winning against Russia...not aware that US over 300 million Slavic people are standing on Russia's side...and want our countries cleaned as well from fascist scum....something the US. Ever does regarding its racist groups and companies that only exploit people.
The issue isn't finding the ironically name "Rare Earths", the issue has been getting permits for mining, and more important the value add step which is refining these elements. No one wants these plants near their town because of the large amount of pollution and potential for pollution created by the plants.
Not to mention getting EPA permits for mining and processing are almost impossible in any first world country.
The problem is the efficiency and processing purity with the lowest cost that is important to be competitive, the west cannot compete with China, the environmental regulations in the west has one of the most stringent laws where China local authorities are able to overcome easily.
The US EV tax credits incentivize domestic production of minerals, which can overcome some of the issues you identify.
@@dansanger5340 It’s only for the car manufacturers with the union that will benefit from this subsidies, not the supply chain from the raw material suppliers. Go look it up.
In other words, China is happy to kill their citizens to make a profit.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY !
Both in Canada in the United States, because the environmental pollution regulations they can take it out of the ground, but they cannot grind it up because it causes too much pollution. They put the rocks on border freighter and send it to China for processing. Rare earth min😢.
Perhaps we will ship it to Mexico in the near future, since many of the factories will be located there anyway.
Send to China so that processing and factories and pollution are concentrated in there and China exports the annual viruses and pandemics along with with processed rare earths. A strategy that is equally destructive for all the countries of the world and mankind as a whole.
Next door to ND is next Minnesota which is full of iron, nickle, copper, cobalt and more
The US has multiple sites that contain rare earths but they are co-mingled with Uranium ore. That makes processing vey expensive and difficult.
For years rare earth metal deposits in the US were known, but the Federal Government has prohibited mining just as they're trying to ban petroleum drilling.
You just don't realized how abundant the US is in minerals, petroleum, and other natural resources.
I’m praying your wife has a full recovery!
praying wont do shit, do you know what helps? educating yourself and someday use your knowledge to help improving medical treatments or other useful things
@@yoshtg while prayer is overrated by many people who would prefer to sit around, it’s not worthless by any means. It does frustrate me when people use it as an excuse to not do anything, though.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis but thats exactly what people do, they constantly use it as an excuse to not to anything. in fact most people are full of excuses to not do anything and thats also why most people are poor losers. we could already live in such an advanced society if it wasnt for all these lazy delusional losers out there. the main reason why people are religious these days is because they think "its too difficult to change reality with technology so i will just make myself delusional and change the reality in my head because thats way easier"
@@yoshtg I fully believe in medicine, but scientific studies have shown prayer works. It helps positive mental attitude.
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It was always there in theU.S.. The U.S. Gov. knew about it. It'sjust no one dug it up because it's dangerous work, and purifying it is difficult, so they outsourced it.
Rare earth minerals are used in e-motors, but not in batteries. IMO.
Oh it was known but keeping it off the radar makes it possible to manipulate the price and line certain people's pockets.
Rare earths were always known to be found in North America. It just was always easier to go shopping and not bother the US legislators and authorities with the permits and the pollution. The recent changes in China have made it clear that there should be alternative source for these minerals.
No, USA used to be the world source of rare earths until the moronic bill of 1980 labeled Thorium/Uranium as ~nuclear waste and since these minerals are found with Th/U often refining these minerals is hopeless economically due to said regulations. USA by itself has 60% of the worlds rare earths production but 0% of the worlds refining of rare earths. In fact USA ships a lot of their rare earths to China to be processed... "Brilliant" eh?
Rare Earth deposits are everywhere, aren't they? Extracting and processing them is what the real problem is.
Yep and China holds quite a few patents on the rare earth processing ....
@@bobmorane4926 patents don’t last as long as copyrights do, and may not apply in some cases anyway. Some other good news is that other countries are developing production processes to bypass Beijing entirely.
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Yeah, need 20 years, the whites have no such patience.
Well, the real problem is to extract and process the stuff cheap enough to compete and preferably not ruin this environment in the area completely in this process. Finding a large deposit is just the first baby step in the process.
Yep, super common. The US has huge deposits that could be used in car motor magnets where low level radioactivity is absolutely irrelevant, but it is illegal. It's not even a problem democracies should have.
Agreed, one less reason to trade with China. I have often wondered why our Australia, with it’s enormous resources of iron ore, bauxite (aluminium ore), lithium ore, and an area similar to USA hasn’t found it’s cache of rare earth elements, maybe it just simply needs to be discovered like this USA find.
Australia has it's share of rare earths. Lynas has a working mine in WA , a processing plant in Malaysia and is currently building a processing plant near Kalgoorlie. So Australia too is shaking off the yoke of Chinese dependence.
The definition of "rare earths" using the periodic table of elements is the lanthanides (57-71) and in some definitions, the actinides (89-103).
Other minerals may be scarce (or in the wrong place). But they are not "rare earths".
I think that for many years, the "rare earths" had no particular use, so geologists did not go to any trouble to distinguish them.
Finding rare earth is one thing but refining the earth is another.
Yeah it takes time but interesting how we find more of what we value and seek, happens every time. (10X more petroleum available today then 20 yrs ago)
That would not be any problem for the United States. It has the capital, the labor and machine resources, and the expertise to build what ever it wants. It's highly highky unlikely the dollar is abandoned globally, even if some countries abandon the dollar. The US with its 340 million people, is still a quarter of the global economy.
@@ClarityPCGaming until Republicans crash the American economy by failing to raise the debt limit
Exactly, Australia is chock-a-block with the stuff. The other element (woo-hoo a pun) in the conundrum is the market for rare earths to make the risk of extracting or processing them worthwhile. Europe for instance will do its usual and embargo Australia and get its supply instead from some desperate tyrant to ensure that their stockpiles are as erratic as their strategic incompetence can make them.
@@Mrbfgray Yes but it needs to be kept in the ground for centuries for future petrochemical use.
Thorium isn't a liability but an asset. It can be used for safe energy production with a half-life of some 79 years as opposed to uranium's 259,000 years, and it can not be used to create weapons.
Even if they have rare earth deposit, wouldn't it be unproductive to mine it in the US since the US dosen't do that kind of stuff anymore + no cheap labour and expertise
Plenty of expertise in the US, and we know how to automate. Electric motors have been made for 130 years with out rare earths.
@@tedmoss the US know how to automate but automate in that specific area, I don't think they even have a top tier tech for it. Same for the expertise. The US do have expertise but not so much in that specific area as well.
@@tedmoss The issue with refining is not automation; it's pollution.
Most electric motors are induction motors made mostly of steel and copper. The issue for electric cars is not generic induction motors, but small, lightweight, high-performance motors, unless you want a bulky, heavy (beyond how heavy they already are), inefficient EV.
Think you misspoke at the begining of this video saying rare earths are important for EV "batteries" instead of "motors"
They are important to both
@@henrycarlson7514 Can you share with us which of the 17 rare earth elements is used in EV batteries? Are they used in the anode, cathode or electrolyte?
@@henrycarlson7514 Or not.
@@teoengchin I know the chart is some where , the sad part is so many of them are not found in the U.S. . Happy Trails