Smashing Pumpkins, Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction
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This song definitely took me on a journey out to sea where we arrived and explored a magical, mythical story world. The music painted a vivid picture of the and created a colorful experience.
Here’s the link to the original song by Smashing Pumpkins:
• Porcelina Of The Vast ...
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Amy, please start to listen to Elton John and celebrate him as he just performed his final concert (well… for now). Listen to “Sixty Years On” or “The Greatest Discovery” You may love it (even if not for a video, just for yourself) : )
@@lauraminyard881 yes, I get that those songs have an orchestral part, that would be interesting for Amy to listen, but there are songs with much more rich melodies like "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"
Hi Amy, responding here as you suggested - I raised a point earlier that this was a great video and all, but kind of a lesser/middle tier track from the band. To reform as a question - what drove the selection of this song, and/or why not start with the real standout tracks from an artist and work your way into the deep cuts and obscurities later? :)
Hi Amy, I'm a fairly new subscriber to your channel, and I really love what you're doing. I was wondering if someday you might do David Bowie's Space Oddity? I'd love to see your reaction.
Amy,
Do you have a telegram channel? I think someone may be impersonating you. They are asking for money for prize giveaways.
I’ve scrolled the comments far too long without seeing someone mention what a fantastic drummer Jimmy Chamberlain is.
We're lucky to have Jimmy Chamberlain and Danny Carrey as drummers to teach future generations how to to do it properly.
Don't worry, I came here to do just that 💪🍻
it's probably not needed. who knows, know it
Jimmy has always been amazing. Totally agree. Fantastic drumming. Billy says he's even better now. Dude has always been at the top. Definitely in the genre.
The best rock drummers were jazz drummers first.
Whoever told you to do "this" pumpkins song really knows their catalog. Trust them for "hopefully" your next pumpkins song
Definitely a deep cut.
Absolutely. A brilliant beautiful song
she should listen to lily. a great song.
I back you on this as well!! Such a great and very specific choice.
it is ridiculous to start on this song and also genius. bravo
The Smashing Pumpkins will and should go down as one of the greatest band in music history. Their catalog is vast and diverse not to mention Billy Corgans song writing ability
I consider them the "Last Rock Stars". The whole industry really professionalized after 2001.
Would you say as vast as the oceans?
In the top 100 most important rock bands for sure, maybe top 50, and consider there's around 1000 rock bands worth listening to at least once in a lifetime.
Top 5 best songwriters in rock music for sure.
Top 20 in all music maybe?
Facts...
Plus, Melon Collie is an INCREDIBLE album. This being my favorite song off of it.
@@guitaristssuck8979 oh nowhere near top 5 songwriters in rock music. Certainly not top 20 in all music. That's some ridiculous hyperbole.
Whoever picked this for her to hear, bravo. I’ve always thought this song “floated” a little bit above the rest of the double album, which I love in its entirety. Such a wonderful breakdown.
The drumming on this is spectacular - I love the cymbal world evoking the surf in particular.
Mellon Collie is a concept album that tells the story of a rockstar, called Zero, that is themed at least partly on Billy Corgan's life. The first disc of this double album starts with Zero successful and disillusioned. The album can be thought of akin to a 90's disney film or a 70's musical film, with each song setting an important divergence in the story. Mellon Collie, a piano score, is the introduction to the theme of the album. The next song, the hit single Tonight Tonight sets the scene (Chicago, where the band formed), and the next song, the powerful rock anthem Jellybelly, establishes the characters - the band.
The next song is Zero, the song of the main character. It's important to note that the character is leading a double life with his public rock persona (called Glass) and his inner true self (Zero) reflections of each other. One of the key lines to that song is "I'm your lover, I'm your Zero, I'm the face in your dreams of Glass". This shows how he is in an unhappy relationship, where the person is in love with what he is rather than who (also a reflection of Billy's first marriage). This song is important to listen to because there are many themes and perhaps even motifs about the Zero character that are present in other songs, including Porcelina. You want to know why that intro is the way it is with the heavier power chords? That's Zero.
The next song, Here Is No Why, is basically the Disney "I want" song - he wants love. Next up some angry songs and then we get into the love section, which is hard to miss given the songs are called things like Love and Cupid (de Locke). This song comes at the tale end of that section where his love is perhaps at its strongest, but also clear that it is not the healthiest of relationships. We then move into the second album that goes angry, wistful, angry, and then a little bit weird.
It may not be your style overall, but I would recommend giving the double album a full listen and trying to note down the story themes that emerge. It is also, for my money, the single most varied album of the rock genre. You have songs which are genuinely disturbing, leading to ballads, leading to rock anthems, leading to songs that I used to play to get my baby to fall asleep. Add to that Billy moving into orchestral support for the songs and you have a true masterpiece.
This is mostly historical revisionism on WPC's part. In the 90s there were few efforts to portray this as a literal narrative story album, even after Machina came out (which was a literal narrative story album). Mellon Collie is a fantastic album and a true listening experience, but Corgans intention at the time was clearly to showcase the wide ambitions of the band on a musical level, and any story elements were incidental. Trying to read a literal beginning/middle/ending story into the MCIS track list is grasping at straws.
I'm a lifelong Smashing Pumpkins fan. I am so impressed by this video and your analysis! Well done!
I've never really listened to the Pumpkins much. Of course I've heard some of their more popular songs and thought there decent songs but this inspires me to dig deeper into their catalog.
I'd say a lot of their lesser known songs are great.
Soma, Mayonaise, Thru the Eyes of Ruby, Oceania would all be a great place to start 😊
their lesser known songs are 10 fold better than the more popular ones. one of the bands you can deep dive on and always keep finding tunes. its a whole musical world of its own. i hope you dive in and find some songs you like. there are so so many.
And "Drown," "For Martha," " Jesus, I/Mary Star of Sea"
Basically everything they did until the breakup in 2000 was worth listening to.
Siamese Dream and Mellon-collie are easily the best in my opinion. Siamese Dream is basically a perfect album. And Mellon-collie is so diverse and beautiful it's hard not to love.
I'm a diehard SP fan and this is my favorite song in their sprawling catalog (500+ songs) and favorite song of all time. Thanks for your analysis!
It's up there, this is an absolute gem of a track
Fuzz (the guitar effect) immediately takes me to the sea. You can almost hear the waves crashing with these guitars.
Songs like Porcelina hit even harder after hearing a full disc of songs like Tonight, Tonight, Here is no Why, To Forgive and Muzzle leading up to it, truely magicial.
AND then you get to go to the second disc which has just as many highs AND then theres all the amazing bsides like the Last Song, Areoplane Flies High and Set the Ray to Jerry
Preach brother
Absolutely
Absolutely true. And the same for the other side. That's back when albums were the thing, and sequencing an album was something that lots of thought was put into.
This one album + b-sides is one of the greatest collections of rock innovation and pop songwriting of all time!
One of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs !! Such an epic. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness was a concept album of a fashion.
Quiet/loud... Shoe gaze ... Alternate rock.. fuzzy guitars ... Smashing Pumpkins were pioneers
The pixies did quiet/loud, many other bands did shoegaze, REM was doing alternative rock in the 80s along with a ton of other bands, and people had done fuzzy guitars since the 60s. I love the Pumpkins but don't call them pioneers.
One of my favorite albums ever and my second favorite song on it after Galapogos.
Yes galapogos !
So many great songs from The Smashing Pumpkins: Hummer, Cherub Rock, Rhinoceros, just to name 3. I saw them in concert last November. Their music is truly beautiful.
Amy lookup porceliana crabs. It's a crab that's not really a crab that willingly gives up its limbs to get away from danger. That lives under the rocks on the shore line. Quite the metaphor.
Nuanced music with intelligence and unmatched depth.
Jimmy Chamberlain is a fantastic drummer. The continuous hi-hat on his left foot is legendary.
Billy likes to keep you guessing. Grit and silk. He's all about the juxtaposition of soft and hard and it comes together in a very human way.
His father was a jazz musician and you see small hints of that influence in his more personal songs like this
"Seafaring quality " ❤ I love you !! 😂
The loud/soft shifts are just very much part of the Smashing Pumpkins sound
If there is a ONE thing you gotta say is a Pumpkins thing, I think that would be it 👌 it's not the solos, it's not the drums, it ain't the lyrics either.. it's this
@@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs they took it from the Pixies and Jane's Addiction, among others, so it was a deliberate lift from other people.
I think the intro places the song in the album more than anything. It's a concept album of sorts. I've always associated this song with "Through The Eyes of Ruby", another song on the album. I'm probably wrong but that's my take on it.
Listen to Ruby! The drums are thunderous.
I get those two mixed up and I expected this to start playing, partly because Eyes of Ruby might be appealing to a classical musician.
Ruby does have that reprise at the end so I can see them bookending that middle section of the album, similar to how the whole album starts and ends with similar piano motifs
Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness is a concept album where thematic elements carry through songs. Especially the songs this is in between. So the song on its own carries only the lyrical meaning. The music is thematic. 🖤 Great analysis!
Never in a million years would I have guessed that you would do this song. Thank you, Amy.
P.S. We're still waiting for some Ozzy Osbourne/Randy Rhoads. Preferably *Diary of a Madman* or *Revelation (Mother Earth).*
The Smashing Pumpkins! My favorite band of the 90's.
Billy Corgan is the lead singer, guitar player and the writer of almost all the songs and lyrics of the band. For me, the best songwriter of the 90's.
It would be nice to see a review of some of their hit songs, like "Disarm", a cute song with a string section.
Nice review by the way!
A cute song?
@@TheMicrodanceexactly, "cute" is one of the dumbest descriptions of Disarm Ive ever seen
@@leob4403 an immensely emotive, passionate and beautiful song about childhood abuse. So cute.
C'mon guys! Let's hate the non native english speaker.
I used the word "cute" just to try to make it more appealing for someone who doesn't know anything about SP.
Of course, I don't reduce the song to "cute".
It was the first song I ever heard by SP, back in 1993. And really got me hooked since then.
Nothing cute about Disarm. Wonderful song. Horrible subject matter.
The whole album would blow her mind for sure! Give it a listen. It’s amazing.
What I appreciate most is your opinion. Never pandering to, or appeasing the viewers. You're musical knowledge doesn't allow it. Carry on.
Woah.....didn't see this coming...never seen a review yet. Golden Era of the 90's. I windsurfed to this song back then......
You nailed it. They made very raw, heavy music, but often with this soft focus, these dream-like elements. That's really what made them special.
For this particular song, the power chords and distortion and "without a care in this whole world" section invokes in me the image of going full speed ahead on a sailing ship, powerful winds filling up the sails.
Far out I'm no musical expert but this song blew my 19 year old mind when I first heard it in 96. The instrumental at the end has such a haunting feel to it and invoked such strong emotions in me then and still does now
Shoegaze next?
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about music from group like Cocteau Twins or My Bloody Valentine, all those bands that never had big commercial success but influenced a lot of bands and genres that came up in 90's and after.
Great first listen, Pumpkins were influential and important same as grunge bands in the same time, they were just overshadowed by great Nirvana breakthrough, but man they were good back in days.
Keep on good work Amy!
Greeting to Vlad, love to kid'o!
YEEESSSSSSS. 'Porcelina' is my favorite example of the dynamics that The Smashing Pumpkins were able to achieve early on.
I really enjoyed your reaction to this! It's a song with a lot of great texture even if ultimately the structure is pretty conventional. I always felt like the quiet setup has the listener drifting out to sea, until a huge wave crashes into us with the loud intro. As the wave washes past, we return somewhat to the mood of the intro, but now fuzzier and choppier, and the waves periodically crash again going into each chorus.
The loud/soft contrast was a hallmark of 90s "alternative" rock, with the Pixies being a hugely influential band in this regard. Pixies "Tame" is probably their most extreme example of it, but other songs such as Gigantic (sung by bassist Kim Deal instead of regular singer Black Francis a.k.a. Frank Black) demonstrate it to varying degrees. Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (a 90s classic) was described by singer Kurt Cobain as a "Pixies rip-off".
For a more dreamy Smashing Pumpkins sound, "Disarm", "Mayonaise" or "Tonight, Tonight" (ideally preceded by the instrumental "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", as it is on the album) are great. For more of their harsher sound, I'd go with "Zero" or (more poppy but still lots of distortiion) the big hit "Today"
Amy you nailed it with your thoughts on the dynamics between the angular rock and the chill ocean vibes. the pumpkins were ALL about dynamics. the push and pull, the loud to quiet. one of my fav things about them
How the hell are they not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Fantastic analysis. Great catch on the eighth note rhythmic motif at the beginning. To more understand the context of this I would recommend the album as a whole (“Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness”) as it is truly a concept album meant to be heard together. Also the artwork and videos for the singles give a lot of context to the mood - think Alice in Wonderland, early 20th century childrens books and silent films. As far as the quick juxtapositions I will note that one of the B-sides for another somg was called “Pastichio Medley”, which was a 20 minute medley of 100+ short clips of extremely varied bits of music seemingly cut together randomly. So clearly the concept of “pastiche” was being thought of at this time. In general this band is great at juxtapositions of many paradoxical emotional states, which ends up often as a bittersweet and enlightened melancholy arrived at through a rich and rewarding journey.
The Pumpkins approach has always be very symphonic in texture and architecture; I'm not surprised that Virgin Rock - as a classical musician - could be fascinated
So glad you've done this song rather than one of the more obvious hits. This is one of my favourite Pumpikins songs.
Thank you for getting into a deep song from the Smashing Pumpkins! I hope you do a few more from them! I love your videos.
wow! Did not see this coming! One my favourite tracks from Pumpkins! 🎃
I'm gonna be so stoked when you finally get to Radiohead
I have always been intrigued by Radio Head but 30-40 seconds in I'm always annoyed. Haha
Omg yes! Radiohead!
Smashing pumpkins are heros way above all the other 90s bands. Their soft to total distortion is unique and powerful. Song writing is immaculate. Completely love thus as the best. Mind altering emotions when you listen. I'm gonna dive in this summer in vacation
The word that came to mind the first time I heard this song, and that still does, is “ethereal”.
Smashing Pumpkins had the best guitar sound of the 90’s, hands down.
Soft and hard dynamics we’re basically vital to rock in the 90s but the Pumpkins are my favorite because of the way they played with “style and mood” as you said it.
Hi; I am glad I found this channel. As a dedicated middle aged metal music fan I find your reactions amusing . I almost watched every video of yours. I love your excitement, honesty and kindness. Also I am learning a lot about music from a different angle. Thanks a lot, keep up the good work. Looking forward to see your future videos. One of my favorite songs ever is Katatonia - In the White. (Don't expect the see a reaction video because it's not a well known band as much as the Pumpkins, but I recommend it for you to hear.) Have a nice day!
That's my ultimate goal: to help people appreciate music more! I am a teacher as well :)
@@VirginRock Thanks for the answer, your students are lucky. Greetings from Turkey :)
One of my favourite rock songs…ever. By one of the best rock bands of my era.
Not one of the best...The best
@@paulolapa3040 I only said that cause ‘Thru the Eyes of Ruby’ comes very close!!
@@jakehixon4073 And I also said that because you said "By one of the best rock bands of my era."
It's the best band of that era!
I think you did answer your question. Corgan has a very expressive voice, and a very distinct style. This is quite an atmospheric song even just in the lyrics, and given the way he intends to express it, the music compliments his voice very well. That intro, etc., prepares you to hear that voice and style. His voice is naturally harsh, and the music had to be both soft and harsh to establish the juxtaposition of his harshness with the atmospherics.
Or maybe it only seems inevitable because I've know the song so well for almost 30 years.
This two disc album is one of the most diverse albums ever made. So many different sounds and styles. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" is my favorite, but there are so many amazing songs, for different reasons.
Listen to Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss ME by the Cure. A double album that is all over the place.
I've heard so many reviewers dissect The Smashing Pumpkins, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone dissect one of their songs quite like you. Thank you!!!!
Thank you for telling people about the meaning of crescendo!! 😃
Amazing analysis, brilliant dissection! Thanks! More Pumpkins, please! 🌀🌀🌀🙏🙏🙏
I always felt this song was mimicking the surf at the beach as it comes in; sometimes soft and spread thin and sometimes crashing, but always on a predictable rhythm. The hard to the soft moments always seem to me the rumble of the wave hitting the beach and then spreading out all the way up to the sand castle, then pulling back and disappearing for a bit.
This song I think was misguiding for introducing the band. Something like '1979' would be a more faithful introduction to such a diverse sounding band. However, if you want continue with quirky, "We only Come out at Night" is a great composition.
Peak 90's alternative rock off an incredible double album.
A deep cut, but one that displays a lot of hallmarks The Smashing Pumpkins are known for. It's also a song that's meant a lot to me at various points in my life. I'd say this is a song that is best experienced with headphones and at night, either in a darkened room or staring up at the evening sky. I think you kind of have to be in the right mood for it. But SP are a really great band with a lot to love. For an easier entry point, I'd suggest more radio-friendly songs like "Tonight, Tonight" "Today" "Disarm" or "1979".
The opening of this song reminded me of (a suggestion!!!) 3 Days by Jane’s Addiction.. a great song
This is one of the stand out tracks on the album for me. Pumpkins.were so good at the one-sided thing.
As a Pumpkins dork and musician, this was great. Unique perspective. Happy to subscribe.
Can’t say that I’ve met anyone whose first Pumpkins song was this one. Pretty unique first song.
This is one of those obscure songs that no one would really know of unless they've spent some time with the album which was a double LP. Definitely not the first song I'd recommend as an intro to The SP's, but I enjoyed your deep dive into the composition. Cheers!
The song is a masterpiece. hands down. The unique combination of elements in the track create something truly epic.. One thing i get from this vid apart from the excellent technical analysis is the importance of emotional sonic context - without being familiar with the album as a whole i think a new listener taking one track (a long non single track) as a snapshot may miss a contextual emotional depth.
I loved every minute watching this! Porcelina is a top 5 Pumpkin song for me, I've listened to it hundreds of times, yet you've been able to articulate - on a first listen no less - elements that I hadn't noticed (beyond simply 'hearing' them) before.
I remember listening to this song in the late 90’s while I played Sonic & Knuckles on the Sega Genesis. This song just takes you away
Great analysis!🙂 Billy (Corgan) has a beautifully expressive voice. It either resonates with you or it doesn't (Many hear nothing besides a nasal whine). You intuitively grasped the core of the Pumpkins' dynamics: easily switching from soft to hard, silent to loud, melodic to metal. Not surprisingly, Billy is a master at writing both beautiful ballads and heavy metal head bangers (sometimes both will crop up in the same song like here in Porcelina). Really enjoyed this. Hope you do more Pumpkins!❤ (Just subscribed)
This is such a delightful reaction! Can't wait to watch more of your videos - I am also a classical musician and rock fan, and would love to see more of your thoughts and analysis. Also, I will never again listen to this song without hearing your "bum-bum, bum-bum, bum-bum." Brava!
Glad you commented on the drumming. I was going to suggest some Smashing pumpkins when you were learning about the drums. Jimmy Chamberlin is one of the finest there is. The "saw dusty sound" you are hearing is the distortion. But distortion through a Big muff pedal, rather than turning up the volume to create distortion.
Many only visit the sea when she is calm, refusing to embrace all of her varying emotions. Learning to appreciate the differences in ourselves as well as others rather than ignoring them at our convenience. I'm glad this will probably not be the last you hear of The Smashing Pumpkins, Amy. Peace/JT
The Smashing Pumpkins are the greatest band of all time
Jimmy and Billy is just such a good combo
That is one lovely song from the Mellon Collie Album and its a great song they usually played as a closing piece for their live presentations.
I love this channel and the knowledge gained.
Love this, please do more Smashing Pumpkins! Also, how about some Mike Oldfield? Perhaps the Crises album?
MORE SP!!! So many great works in their catalogue
Some great stuff came out of the nineties, Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Colle and the infinite Sadness is one.
To answer your question. The intro somewhat ties this song into the album. This song appears on the album Melancholie and the Infinite Sadness, which was a double album, and both discs(or albums) are themed respective of each other. Album A titled " Dawn to Dusk" started very introspective/introverted, and progressed to be much more extroverted. This song is near the end of that album, and the intro to this song was (in my interpretation) the last bit of internalizing, before committing fully to being more outwardly focused.
Thank you for revealing detailed nuances I've never considered with my all-time favorite song. Absolutely fantastic!
Yes yes this or Cupid de Locke was perfect for this album for Amy to listen to!
Digital harp music!
If you choose to revisit smashing Pumpkins, I suggest Disarm or Tnight Tonight. The orchestral arrangements are pretty sweet.
As a diehard longtime Smashing Pumpkins fan I completely support this suggestion.
100%. “Disarm” may be the one she’d enjoy. Such a calming, uplifting song.
Both classics.
WOW!! A very deep dive into the Smashing Pumpkins for a first time listen! Love this piece, along with your reaction! Please give "Today", and "Mayonnaise" a go from their "Siamese Dream" album...
I love how this video seems to have attracted every Pumpkins enthusiast on the internet.
A very interesting way to get into the world of Smashing Pumpkins =]
This is the best reaction to Smashing Pumpkins that I've ever seen. Seriously. great job!
If you’ve never heard of shoegaze, then my bloody valentine’s Loveless will be a trip for sure
She's in for a treat. This will hit her like a tsunami that is the wonder of The Smashing Pumpkins.
Love this analysis, not enough "reactions" or analysis of TSP. Underrated and under appreciated band, in terms of writing and influence in the history of rock. Jimmy deserves to be mentioned in the pantheon of the best drummers of not only his generation but of all generations.
One of my favorites. It's such a gorgeous tune, and a master class in sort of lo-fi creative production.
Did not expect this! Amazing
My favourite SP song! Thanks for this.
this is one of my favorite songs of all time. I fell asleep to this as a teenager for years.
Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness is such a dope fucking project. For a double album to be that good is insane. I remember when I first fully listened to it and hearing the last song loop back into the first song... reminding me of how that 2hr long journey started. I would like to see you do a dive into Tonight Tonight from that same album lol
First time on this channel & Man I'm in ❤️ never knew someone could actually put a meaning to how this song feels when listening to it. Outstanding interpretation, my goodness! Thank you your amazing!! SORRY THEN. --, TONIGHT, TONIGHT would be a great one for you to review
Excellent analysis as always.
OMG I'm so excited for this one of my all time favorite songs ❤❤❤
Very rare to find listeners that truly appreciate this work. A common phenomenon when it comes to the Pumpkins and their lesser known songs. Music uses convention and subverts it or dismantles it which makes it more nuanced.
I must say, we owe a dept of gratitude to the national music people who were mandated to go out to schools nationwide to seek and find talent such as Billy Corgan. In Billys case, he scored so high on their tests, they came back a second time to convince Corgan Senior, who did not reply to the first sets of correspondence. They basically told him not to deprive the gifted boy such and opportunity.
So they loaded him up with fantastic musical knowledge and let him loose unto the world.
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Everything the Smashing Pumpkins create should catch your ears :)
Oh, to be a fly on the wall and witness Mr. Corgan's reaction to this reaction. ;)
With Billy it all probably means something and has a point
Masterpiece
The strong metal parts in the beginning of the song and during its development are there because in the vast oceans you can also find seastorms, big waves, hard winds and cold waters, not only the quietness you can experience close to the shore with good weather and calm conditions......
A band that deserves a listen to is Little Feat. They have been around for over 50 years. They cannot be pigeon holed into any category. They have elements of rock, blues, cajun, country, jazz, and funk. They even have fiesta song called Corazones y Sombres. Their music is complex. I think Amy would absolutely enjoy them. They are even better live. Not too many bands that can say that. Some of their classic include Fat Man In The Bathtub, Dixie Chicken, Spanish Moon, RocknRoll Doctor, & All That You Dream. They have a catalog of music that is huge and diverse. I would love to see her dig into the Feat.