Tuning Without a Tuner, the Ancient Way - by Lina Palera and LyreAcademy.com
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Have you ever considered how it was possible to tune a lyre in antiquity without a tuner? Was every musician in ancient Athens or the rest of the civilized world able to identify a C note or a G note straight out of thin air?
Discover the secret of ancient tuning, according to Aristoxenus, and let's tune our instruments together step by step. What's more, find out what is the difference between Aristoxenus and Pythagoras tuning approach on an ancient lyre, and decide which of them suits you the best!
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🖋 Title: Tune Your Lyre Like the Ancient Greeks
⏱ Duration: 11min 13sec
🎥 Film d'auteur: Nikolaos Koumartzis
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For a time I trained as a piano tuner. The tuning technics for piano today are remarkably similar to the tuning technique demonstrated here!
Very good point, Meagan! Some things are so simple, but yet so effective, that remains the same (more or less) over the course of the centuries. If you haven't already, subscribe to stay tuned as more videos like this premiere every week on our channel: ruclips.net/channel/UC5mCqBulD2KzLugC1lEEedA
Thank you for this lesson. After experimenting with the technique I can easily tune to any of the Greek diatonic modes without a tuner now. All I need is a pitch and I'm ready to go. This has made me feel so much closer to the instrument and the resulting Just temperament is gorgeous, full of resonant overtones and life.
Wonderful! Congratulations on advancing with your lyre playing! :)
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Thanks for that! It works not only for a Greek lyre but for an Anglo-Saxon one, too!
You're welcome, Glishev! That is true; all lyres can be tuned using the ancient Greek method. :)
Amazing lesson! Thank you. I can’t wait for my lyre to arrive!
A great lesson by LyreAcademy.com and Lina Palera, indeed. Wish you the best with your lyre! :)
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Thank you for your lessons. This tuning (mathematical Pythagorean intervals) would give Just intonation tuning. Our ears today are used to the equal temperament where 4ths and 5ths are slightly adjusted. How do you address this and maybe tune in the ancient perfect intervals in your playing?
Thanks for watching, Margarete. It depends on what you want to do! If you plan on participating in a band, then an equal temperament is needed (in most cases) so you can play in harmony and unison with the rest of the instruments. If you plan on doing a solo performance with ancient Greece as a theme, then just intonation might make more sense.
It all depends on how you are going to use your lyre! In case you tune it in just intonation, then you have to leave some room both for you and your audience to get familiar with the different sounds (at first, your lyre might sound a little bit out of tune, as we are -as you said- used to equal temperament).
couldn't you tune the f based on the c? that way the system would have the f more in tune to the equal tempered system
Thanks for the comment, Alexandru!
We just received a reply from Lina Palera, Head of Music Programs at the LyreAcademy.com, so here it is:
"The tuning described in this video is based on several sources, including (but not limited to) John G. Landels' book "Music in Ancient Greece and Rome." According to these sources, the ancient Greeks used the 4ths and the 5ths to tune their lyre, as discussed in the video.
In case that we were using only 4ths (and this is a pretty smart approach you suggest), why not tune F according to C? We would, once again, meet the F-B diminished and not a perfect 4th. So, the same dilemma, don't you agree?
We would then have Bb instead of B or B with the diminished sound."
Salutations. I would like to communicate my archaeological finding of the only preserved pythagorean houses, in Menorca. These are the "taulas", wich I have proved represent the concept of "tomi", today known as golden ratio or golden proportion. I believe that those interested in ancient greek music, tuning, etc., must be very interested. Please contact me if so.
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Once I get they lyre I will be very sacred to tune it. I’m afraid it will pop off😥
Hi, Demetrios! Practice leads to perfection, so you don't have to be afraid at all. Small careful steps are what it takes to tune your instrument while protecting your lyre. Our community is here to help every new lyre player, so don't forget to enroll in the free course of LyreAcademy.com, where you will find amazing tips for beginner-level lyre players!
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