Decent analysis. Messi's CL career is certainly a black spot on his legacy. He obviously had multiple prolific CL performances and even led his team to 3 CLs (Two of them being trebles which, in my opinion, hold considerably more weight than non-treble UCLs of other players because a player's domestic competition burden is a key variable that influences fatigue levels and pressure in the CL). However, for a player of Messi's calibre to have not won at least 6-7 CLs is a clear case of wasted potential. Considering that he did regularly show up in clutch games at the league level and even in other Club KO competitions (Copa Del Rey semis and finals, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup etc.), it was puzzling to see him struggle in clutch CL KO games. Maybe it was a confidence thing. He didn't back himself enough when his team found themselves in tough spots in these games. For all these reasons, I think Ronaldo is clearly the greatest CL player of all time. He is also, imo, the greatest goalscorer of, at least, the 21st century. However, I would still pick Messi as overall GOAT because of his versatility across the pitch as well as a prolific domestic and international career.
@@manrajuppal7543 Thanks for commenting. I still do believe he is a top 3 CL player ever, but he does have obvious black spots. It’s a shame he never won B2B because usually I’d value that more than winning it in 2009 and 2011 but not in 2010. Messi’s CL career was arguably the best up until 2015 but post that, it’s gone downhill, meanwhile Ronaldo caught up. Ronaldo is the best CL player ever for me, but not the overall GOAT. I can’t put a guy with 0 WC KO goals as the greatest.
For a GOAT level player like him you would expect more. I showed Ronaldo because imo that’s a good example of what a GOAT level player should do. I would’ve included ADS as well, but his sample size is way too small compared to these two. Even then, he played well 3/6 games where he should’ve won but didn’t. That’s still 50%. Higher than Messi’s.
@@Decinitive see the issue is football is a team game, as great of a performance a player puts in, at the end of the day it's the better TEAM that comes out on top, Ronaldo was surounded by an amazing team (not to take away from the man as he is an amazing player in his own right), but when you're surounded by a stacked team such as madrid and you compare it to a post neymar barcelona you can see the difference, good players win games, but good teams with trophies yk
@@Decinitive fairs with bayern but he didn't do anything against Milan and juve, his goals were fugazi. Same with Dortmund. He performed vs ajax, lyon but I can't ignore the team quality. He also won a UCL in 15/16 without scoring a single ko goal, brain dead stat tbh.
@@RoachofRivia-bm4nd No goal is ever fugazi he still scored otherwise Bale and Benzema would’ve scored same amount. Ajax are a pretty damn good team. Lyon losses are embarrassing. 15/16 he scored in both games vs Roma and saved Madrid vs Wolfsburg.
Decent analysis. Messi's CL career is certainly a black spot on his legacy. He obviously had multiple prolific CL performances and even led his team to 3 CLs (Two of them being trebles which, in my opinion, hold considerably more weight than non-treble UCLs of other players because a player's domestic competition burden is a key variable that influences fatigue levels and pressure in the CL). However, for a player of Messi's calibre to have not won at least 6-7 CLs is a clear case of wasted potential. Considering that he did regularly show up in clutch games at the league level and even in other Club KO competitions (Copa Del Rey semis and finals, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup etc.), it was puzzling to see him struggle in clutch CL KO games. Maybe it was a confidence thing. He didn't back himself enough when his team found themselves in tough spots in these games. For all these reasons, I think Ronaldo is clearly the greatest CL player of all time. He is also, imo, the greatest goalscorer of, at least, the 21st century. However, I would still pick Messi as overall GOAT because of his versatility across the pitch as well as a prolific domestic and international career.
@@manrajuppal7543 Thanks for commenting. I still do believe he is a top 3 CL player ever, but he does have obvious black spots. It’s a shame he never won B2B because usually I’d value that more than winning it in 2009 and 2011 but not in 2010. Messi’s CL career was arguably the best up until 2015 but post that, it’s gone downhill, meanwhile Ronaldo caught up. Ronaldo is the best CL player ever for me, but not the overall GOAT. I can’t put a guy with 0 WC KO goals as the greatest.
But do you think his stats are embarrassing relative to any player or just Ronaldo?
For a GOAT level player like him you would expect more. I showed Ronaldo because imo that’s a good example of what a GOAT level player should do.
I would’ve included ADS as well, but his sample size is way too small compared to these two. Even then, he played well 3/6 games where he should’ve won but didn’t. That’s still 50%. Higher than Messi’s.
@@Decinitive see the issue is football is a team game, as great of a performance a player puts in, at the end of the day it's the better TEAM that comes out on top, Ronaldo was surounded by an amazing team (not to take away from the man as he is an amazing player in his own right), but when you're surounded by a stacked team such as madrid and you compare it to a post neymar barcelona you can see the difference, good players win games, but good teams with trophies yk
What about npg?
Ronaldo would still have way more goals.
@@Decinitive fairs with bayern but he didn't do anything against Milan and juve, his goals were fugazi. Same with Dortmund. He performed vs ajax, lyon but I can't ignore the team quality. He also won a UCL in 15/16 without scoring a single ko goal, brain dead stat tbh.
@@RoachofRivia-bm4nd No goal is ever fugazi he still scored otherwise Bale and Benzema would’ve scored same amount. Ajax are a pretty damn good team. Lyon losses are embarrassing. 15/16 he scored in both games vs Roma and saved Madrid vs Wolfsburg.
Don't you think Iniesta was overrated I mean in every big final that I watched I thought Xavi was better
Whether it's euro 2009 cl 2011 euro 2012
@@midfielderlounge2592 I think he’s rated fine. I rate Iniesta higher than Xavi tbh but I don’t mind if people think Xavi>.