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@@binodtharu4910 Thanks for commenting. To be honest I know a lot of people that say his 2012 Euro is his best campaign.

@@Decinitive that one is also there. 2012, 2016 and 2020. I put 2020 up there just because he won the golden boot.

@@44nkk Thanks for commenting. Interesting you say he’s useless without it, because I kinda made a tweet about off-ball movement, and some people said Xavi was the best at it, or one of. The system made Xavi reach that legendary status, I agree, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t world class before that. I think guys like him and Kroos are exceptions. Usually with their traits you wouldn’t or shouldn’t reach that sort of high status.

@@Decinitive When I say without the ball I'm referring to the defensive side of the game, not your movement when your team has the ball. Also I definitely wouldn't say he was useless in this aspect, he had a great engine and pressed a lot, but outside of that he didn't offer much. I hold Kroos in a higher regard than him because he could impose himself on a game more than Xavi and orchestrate his team's passing (even without great technicians next to him). Not to mention that he was also great when played higher up earlier in his career and could score goals and create.

@@AndromedaEleven When I talked about the 1966 WC I also kinda meant the qualifiers too. Since he played in the 1966 WC then most likely he performed in the qualifiers too. I wanted to focus on outside 1966 WC/WCQ.

Thanks for commenting. Stats wise he would be less closer to Messi because he wouldn’t get those insane numbers at United as he got with Madrid. I don’t think he’d be THAT much worse however. At least he might actually reach a final. I think in 09/10 there’s a good chance. Before 2014, CR7 wasn’t really seen as this UCL phenomenon. Messi had a much better UCL career but 2014-2018 many things changed.

@@Decinitivehe might also reach the 2011 ucl final like united did and loose to barca, and after thst maybe 1 or 2 ucl final is possible

@@Maxsss214He’d definitely reach the final in 2011 but he wouldn’t beat Barça. United had an easy path.

@@AndromedaEleven Oh yeah he shouldn’t have conceded those, especially Messi’s where the mistake originated from him. Great in first two finals (albeit second thanks to pens saved), last two should’ve done better.

@@lxfj2128 Thanks for commenting. It’s probably something like this: 1. Messi 2. Pelé 3. Maradona 4. Ronaldo 5. Di Stefano

@@phyo.lin19 Unlikely but I hope it happens.

@@daniaaal Thanks for commenting. I meant in terms of expectations. They aren’t the worst ever. Like there are worse teams for sure, but in terms of high expectations, 2016-2020 Barça are up there in my opinion.

@@Decinitiveyup i am with you!

I agree with you, and not at the same time. The main reason why Argentina had this success between the years 2021-2024, I would say, from my point of view, that it was the devoted spirit in defense. Besides Messi's goals and assists of absolute immense value, the team could keep the score and not concede a goal. When I think about how many times Martinez saved Argentina from penalties, it makes you think. I'm not even talking about Romero/Lisandro/Otamendi, because they stuck their heads in the opponent's boots, if such a thing was needed. The central midfielder couple De Paul/Paredes have the same value, they all fought with their souls on the table brother, none of them made fun of anything, I don't consider Scaloni, a very good tactician or that the Argentine attack was spectacular, in apart from Messi/Di Maria, you couldn't rely on many people. They won this Copa America with Messi on the bench, so that should give you something to think about, they were such a soulful generation, I could say, to fight with fire in any match of theirs, that they allowed him Let Messi do his game of the midfielder who does not defend. The defense was really a key point, Lautaro Martinez was extremely weak in the 2021 Copa America and the 2022 World Cup, Enzo and with Julian, they had their moments but they were still small so you can say something good about them since then , mcallister was good at the world cup but not at both America's cups. What about defense bro? Excellent in all competitions, I have nothing to say, simply too gorgeous, that 4-4-2, it gives me chills even now when I hear about it.

@@pip3964 Yep. Left-back and played as a midfielder at times.

@@AndromedaEleven Yeah I agree Socrates is overrated I keep seeing him on these lists but what did he do exactly😭?

Yeah I can't really argue with that. 4 LaLigas and 2 UCLs is very impressive considering they beat Madrid multiple times. They also "dominated" more you could say. In my opinion though, I do think 2014-2018 Madrid is above them just by a little, and I used to think 2009-2013 Barça >.

Bro is hyping hat trick against Switzerland in 6-0 statpad sesh lol

@@zamasurawat2247 yeah lmao they think international goals determine a player, if thats the case ali daei is better than messi as he has more international goals in less games Every one knows its easier to score for a European country than a south American country they have less countries, less competition to play in as they have less goals Even haaland scored 31 goals in 33 games for norway he can potentially overtake both messi and ronaldo, but will he be a better international player? No

@@Maxsss214 Most guys on the list were top 3 or were the best in a competition. I included them because usually those type of guys have a better case. Moore, Beckenbauer, Cannavaro, Thuram, all are defenders yet are on the list. Because all 4 were top 3 at least in an international competition. You could add Cafu as well.

@@AndromedaEleven He’s 4th for me all-time. His international career (mainly World Cup career), is what’s making him not top 3 for me. I never talked once about NPG. Mostly from the fact he never performed in a final, never been officially the best player at any tournament, only has 3 WC/Euro KO goals. There were times he should’ve stepped up. Like in the 2004 final, or 2006 WC against France (he was alright but could’ve done more). In 2014 no reason they shouldn’t make it to the knockouts. 2018 didn’t perform vs Uruguay. 2019 final didn’t perform vs Netherlands.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@DecinitiveI agree he could’ve done better, just explaining my reasoning why despite all of this it doesn’t really affect his all time status to me. When it comes to your list, if we wanted to make one without non-footage players, some great additional names are Matthaus, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Klinsmann, Overath, Lato, Kempes and maybe Vava, I would also remove Adriano.

@@AndromedaEleven Yeah there are more debatable ones and even some on the list are debatable themselves. That’s why I included about 40 and in the title it says 30+.

@@RomeluLukaku-x5d Thanks for commenting. He’s 4th for me. If I only focused on club level, he’d be number 1, but his international career is what holds him back for me.

@@Decinitive I think that at least Messi and Pelé were better than Ronaldo at club level

@@Decinitiveclub level i’d say messi and pele better than cr Considering ronaldo obviously had a better CL Career But mess was more complete, he was top in ucl , league , domestic , super cups Including fact that he has 2nd most ucl top scorer and most european league top scorer awards And most domestic cup top scorers Messi is simply superior to ronaldo in club level And pele while playing on a worse team has actually won the brazillian championship and ofcourse he held the record for most goals for a single club before messi And he defeated european legends while playing in santos, he destroyed big clubs like bayern,madrid numerous times on clash with european top giants

@@Maxsss214 Thanks for commenting. Yeah to be honest it’s fair to say Messi and Pelé were better at club level.

I’ve always thought for a long time Di Stefano was better but you could argue Puskas was better.

@@stefanprintultau6898 Thanks for commenting. I wouldn’t blame it mostly on Messi to be honest, but he definitely deserves criticism and his fans try to defend him it’s funny. The fact that out of all teams that made it into the QFs 5 times in a row, 2016-2020 Barca scored the least goals out of any team is not acceptable, especially for Messi. He was part of heaviest defeats in the history of the competition and when his team led on three occasions, he didn’t meet his standards which as of result made Barca go out, along with mistakes from others too.

@@Decinitive You are right brother, I do not contradict you. Although I'm a barcelona fan, and I also believe that Messi is the best of all time, I still blame him for these outings of Barcelona. Since he started playing this style of play, he is neither a midfielder nor a striker, creating opportunities for someone else to miss, or not being able to dribble or pass decisively, I said that Ronaldo will take over a dominance, standing all day through around the square and scoring goals with automatic and fixed fire, that's how it was in 2016-18. Many people say that he did not receive support from the team, excuse me? Do you think Busquests, Iniesta or Rakitic are the last footballers on the planet? You won the Champions League with them, that is to say, these excuses of the Barcelona fans are frankly pointless.

I agree.

@yeah1159 I understand what you mean but it is still a big difference, most of the time, there must be a reason why a team performs so badly, in 2015 you can beat any big team in Europe and from 2016 to 2021, you can't to beat absolutely no one? than some teams from the groups? in 2017, every big team made fun of you from the knockout zones, even PSG, if it wasn't for suarez to be the greatest swimmer possible. Why didn't the same thing happen with Barcelona from 2009-13? Why did they reach the semi-finals/winners every time? Couldn't the teams get stronger at that time? How about real madrid 2011-18? Same thing with Bayern. Why were they always in the semi-finals or winners? Your argument is a very weak one. Don't get me wrong, I'm a barcelona fan and I love Messi, I'm proud to be a barcelona fan and I strongly say that Messi is the best in history, but because of the change in the style of play it's stupid, to stay so deep on the field and to create opportunities that are then missed by Suarez/Dembele/Coutinho, it's a huge stupidity. Ronaldo, he has no ability over Messi with the ball at his feet, he is not a better passer, he is not a better dribbler, not even a finisher, but he sits all day in that box or around it and does not need more than 2 or 3 shots to make it goal. Even when ronaldo was losing in the knockout zones of ucl, if you saw his clip, he scored most of the times, the only goals in the knockout zones of juventus in 2019 are Ronaldo's. And because of this, many people think that Ronaldo is Mr. UCL and that he is a better goalscorer than Messi, when in fact it is not so.

@yeah1159 I still respect you because you defend your team and your idol with all the sweat possible from what I see, but you are not REALISTIC, my dear man. Let me contradict your arguments a little. "God, he has no support in front of the goal", for real? The trio of Iniesta - Busquets - Rakitic really can't tell you anything? Didn't you win the 2015 final with them? What about Xavi, my man, as he was a reserve on the bench, did you follow the 14/15 season or only from flashscore? He always entered the 70th minute, he was a real starter a few times. 2. Don't tell me what real madrid achieved 4 and 6 YEARS after ronaldo left, because they had time to rebuild, please tell me what they did in ucl in 2019 and 2020? Did you see it now? They had FIX the same team of monsters, but they no longer had a man to put the ball in the opponent's goal. (coach changed though, Zidane is very good, I admit) 3. Messi is the reason why so many goals were scored stupidly, leaving that right wing empty and walking everywhere he wants, not caring a bit about tactics, rakitic was forced to take his place to create width in attack on the field, and the right back had to hold on to the middle of the field because there was a constant empty space, even if rakitic remained in the middle when messi took his vacation from the right wing, the right back had no value alone there, it simply sat there for nothing. And my last point 4. Who the hell cares that he won the Spanish league and that he was the top scorer in Europe? My man abused the goals in the league because he didn't score much in the UCL. Now I'm going to give you homework, so you don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, look at all the eliminations of Barcelona from 2016 - 2021 and constantly look at Messi's position on the field and where he is positioned when barcelona the attack starts, you'll see that he doesn't shoot at the goal at all, he doesn't insist on staying around the box even though he's an attacker and always tries to play Suarez in a crowd of people. Now...I understand that Barcelona was eliminated in ucl also in 2013, 12, 10 BUT unlike the other times, the battle started in the semi-finals brother, and you were fighting with a team that has an incredible defense and counterattack (Chelsea/ inter) or you were fighting with some of the best teams in history (Bayern 2013), my brother could not beat you Roma, not even in the top 4 or 5 at that time in Italy, I wish you a beautiful evening/day.

Exactly if they’re a domestic league powerhouse, then they should perform in the UCL too, especially defeating Real Madrid. And even then, there is no excuse that Barcelona should go out to teams like Atletico, Liverpool, Roma, especially when leading. And even when he was losing, he should’ve done at least something. Even Ronaldo I think he underachieved. He should have reached more finals. Messi however underachieved too and more. Messi still played with superteams. Should’ve done better vs Chelsea, Inter, so on.

@@manrajuppal7543 Thanks for commenting. I still do believe he is a top 3 CL player ever, but he does have obvious black spots. It’s a shame he never won B2B because usually I’d value that more than winning it in 2009 and 2011 but not in 2010. Messi’s CL career was arguably the best up until 2015 but post that, it’s gone downhill, meanwhile Ronaldo caught up. Ronaldo is the best CL player ever for me, but not the overall GOAT. I can’t put a guy with 0 WC KO goals as the greatest.

@@kyleward7417 For him yes that would be 0.40.

We didn't have prime MSN.

We had a dysfunctional administration, you really can't compare the two clubs at that period.

​@@NYX_8that administration got us bankrupt

@@AndromedaEleven The thing is however, against Atletico 2014-2017 in LaLiga, he has pretty good stats/performances against them. Why couldn’t he replicate that in the UCL against them in 2014 and 2016? In 2017 he was great in the two games against them. He scored 2 goals in 2017 vs Juventus. Same year he couldn’t score against them in the KOs earlier.

@@Decinitiveif we want to be more specific, Atleticos best seasons were 13/14 and 15/16, in 13/14 Barca couldn’t beat them in the league and scored only once (Messi had an assist but more of a fugazi one), in 15/16 both of the league games were before the UCL ties. I had a quick look at those games and I think Simeone adjusted his team after those league defeats because Atletico in UCL were much more compact and leaving less space to play, especially in the second leg. And in the first leg they went ahead first and Barca scored after a red card. And 16/17 Juve played with Bonucci, Chiellini, Alves backline (+ good defensively Mandzukic and Cuadrado on the wings), the next season it was Benatia, Barzagli, De Sciglio. And Messi played pretty well in the first leg, made a similar pass to the one vs Netherlands at 22 WC. And I’m not trying to say that Messi doesn’t have any responsibility at all or that he couldn’t have done better but just trying to look at the bigger picture.

@@AndromedaElevenI totally agree with you, I just think when it comes to UCL, he’d struggle against them. But he could play them in league games, or domestic cups, and I’m pretty sure he would score against them, even though they’re the same side.

@@kushjadav1831 Thanks for commenting. Not once did I talk about detailed stats. All I used was G/A. The main output, and I didn’t heavily rely on it, otherwise I would have rated Gerd Muller higher than guys like Maradona. Trophy comparisons do mean something. Especially individual awards. Busquets also collapsed many times too. 18/19 Liverpool. 17/18 Roma. There’s many examples. Those 2 or 3 traits you are talking about made Rodri a Euro POTT, a UCL POTS, and potentially going to get a BDO. Usually people exaggerate Busquets play and “orchestration” and “IQ.” Like if he’s that good he should have more memorable performances. PnP is very important, especially in this day and age.

​@@Decinitive 1. g/a is not the fundamental of a dm , it makes rodri a more diverse player Sure, but you need player that can do the fundamentals of a positioning MORE than being a jack of all trades, Master of none. 2. Individual awards dont mean anything because whichever team that wins trophies , is going to have their players get nominated for awards , so its fair to say that the 10 other players play a larger role in you winning a seemingly "individual trophy" than you do yourself, But its never a "individual award" 3. Rodri was not the best player for spain , even if he mightve won the award , he wasnt top 3 , yamal fabian and cucurella whichever order you may like. 4. Football is at a comparatively lower standard than maybe somewhat like 10 15 years ago , Vini is half the player neymar is , Modric at 37 was comfortably the best midfielder around in europe (21/22) not to mention that is like 5 years past his prime btw, Ibrahimovic was way better than haaland , and Jude (costliest player in the market) was an eyesore in ucl knockouts and euros knockouts (he also is a great box crasher). 5. Busquets team collapsed because of a terrible board that never quite replaced the players fast enough , Pique (post 15/16), Suarez (post 15/16) , Dani alves (left in 15/16, and laughably enough his replacement was sergi roberto) Rakitic (how can a midfielder not look up to see forward passing options) Stegen ( biggest culprit , up there with pique and roberto) To sum it up busquets played in a team which 1) wasnt well rounded filled with superstars and dead wood (so of course he wasnt their best player neither wouldve been rodri, neither wouldve the team functioned as well if rodri was in busquets place) (so of course he doesnt have memorable performances he plays on the same team messi ney and iniesta play) 2) had an unbelievably high peak where teams gave up pressing them and busquets fit in that team effortlessly at 22 (whereas we just saw a defensive team like inter push man city all the way with their backs to the wall till lukaku clutched up for city) and the narrative that rodri got them past the line of ucl glory on his back is crazy cause the best player that night was easily john stones i guess lastly pnp is important but very misleading people will look at walker and believe this is the greatest right back ever when he has no sense of space guarding but oh hes fast and physical and neymar said he was tough to beat so he must be the greatest rb ever

The way I thought of it was if you regularly reach the QF for 5 seasons in a row, you have higher expectations now, and it’s when the real challenges begin imo. I get what you’re saying though and it’s fair.

Oh yeah hardly anyone remembers Madrid in UCL pre-2010 besides the failed Galacticos project

@@daniaaal when did real lost to an 8-2 score? besides 2023 season againt city 4-0 when did real faced humilitions every season like barkalona for the last every season since 2015?? yall negreira fc fans are too much

​So insecure​😂no one said real madrid was worse or something like that dumbass😂the point is that no one talks about that real madrid side @@qBodi

Ronaldo would still have way more goals.

@@Decinitive fairs with bayern but he didn't do anything against Milan and juve, his goals were fugazi. Same with Dortmund. He performed vs ajax, lyon but I can't ignore the team quality. He also won a UCL in 15/16 without scoring a single ko goal, brain dead stat tbh.

@@RoachofRivia-bm4nd No goal is ever fugazi he still scored otherwise Bale and Benzema would’ve scored same amount. Ajax are a pretty damn good team. Lyon losses are embarrassing. 15/16 he scored in both games vs Roma and saved Madrid vs Wolfsburg.

@@midfielderlounge2592 Idk tbh, but I do think Kroos is overrated. He’s not on the same table as Modric, Xavi, and Iniesta for me.

@@midfielderlounge2592 I think he’s rated fine. I rate Iniesta higher than Xavi tbh but I don’t mind if people think Xavi>.

For a GOAT level player like him you would expect more. I showed Ronaldo because imo that’s a good example of what a GOAT level player should do. I would’ve included ADS as well, but his sample size is way too small compared to these two. Even then, he played well 3/6 games where he should’ve won but didn’t. That’s still 50%. Higher than Messi’s.

​@@Decinitive see the issue is football is a team game, as great of a performance a player puts in, at the end of the day it's the better TEAM that comes out on top, Ronaldo was surounded by an amazing team (not to take away from the man as he is an amazing player in his own right), but when you're surounded by a stacked team such as madrid and you compare it to a post neymar barcelona you can see the difference, good players win games, but good teams with trophies yk

@@Samir-kn3jd Rodri also had tough competition in the last 2 years. Haaland, KDB, Kroos, Vini, Bellingham.

@@Decinitive no, buesquets literally had xavi and iniesta with him everywhere, rodri can preform in spain without all the credit going to de bryne, buesquets couldn’t

@@Samir-kn3jd Xavi was no longer the same after 2013. Iniesta no longer after 2016 or so. Besides, that just proves he’s not that good to overcome his competitors.

@@Decinitive ok nice bait bro, you are actually trolling now

@@Samir-kn3jd Not at all. Not baiting.

@@Azure.-. -Provides no argument.

@@TheAntagonistx If Bellingham’s output can make him achieve multiple League POTSs, a UCL POTS, Euros POTT, World Cup POTT, then yes he can be better than Zidane. So far Zidane has achieved all that’s been said. Bellingham has never been a UCL POTS, Euros POTT, or WC POTT.

That's what that means, yes. Just because you didn't watch them play and never saw their mistakes because you only watched their highlights doesn't mean they were perfect players.

@@TheAntagonistx That’s why this video exists, because now it’s time Rodri should be getting into these conversations.

Rodri deserves to be in that convo of best in history.. he has MORE TROPHIES THAN LOSES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FCK THAT MEANS???

@@mysticx33 Not only that. A DM that wins a Euro POTT, a UCL POTS, potentially win a BDO, and could have been voted as PL POTS, deserves to be amongst the best DMs ever.

@@Decinitive 100%. If I had to make a team to save planet earth against aliens, im choosing Rodri over busquets all day every day

@@takunn151 I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I didn’t wanna go into too much detail because I don’t think you have to really. Busquets is better than Rodri in some areas. He’s redefined the role. No doubt. But Rodri is in a very excellent era too. Mbappe, Haaland, De Bruyne, Vini, Modric, Benzema. I could go on and on. You can’t say if player X played in era Y. We won’t know how they’ll do. But what we do know, is how they dominated their own era. We have few evidences and facts. Busquets intelligence is what makes up for his weaknesses, true, but it wasn’t good enough for him to be seen as the best player. That’s my point. This era is great, just like any other era.

@@AndromedaEleven Good to see you again my friend. No doubt, he’s one of the most important players ever. Redefined and everything. I agree. I don’t think he’s overrated tbh, but I do think Rodri is better. Not just that, I could argue Rodri should be up there with the best ever in his position. Arguably POTS in a PL season, UCL POTS, Euros POTT, could win BDO. Only thing he’s truly missing is a good WC campaign.

@@Decinitivegood to see you too, I think Rodri with more longevity can end in top 3 DM OAT with Rijkaard and Busquets, Rijkaard and Rodri are the complete ones but Busquets is a more unique specialist player and insanely good at his speciality. Also Rodri was the best player in the PL in his usual City role with more freedom to drive forward, whereas at Spain he played a bit more like Busquets, a more sitting and defensive role.

@@Decinitive oh and when I said “ahead of the time” I meant that blogger I mentioned who was already giving Busquets the best player itw shouts a decade ago. Now Rodri is deservedly getting the same shouts from the public.

he was not underrated. people like the chap you've mentioned are biased, simply as that. Busquets would not play in any other team in Europe. He could only play for Barca with a specific playing style. Honestly he is OVERRATED, as all this "orchestration" really is overrated. Rodri is an athlete as a footballer has to be. Never seen Busquets score screamers outside of the box, he just did something in the midfield, being an outlet for Xavi and Iniesta.

@@Zureepi I watched football since 2010. My age is fine. If anything, I’d say you are showing your age by using “age excuse” even though you don’t know how old I am, and on top of that, not even providing any sort of arguments.

@@Decinitive 2010? That means you have seen most of his career so its surprising to say ‘FAR BETTER’, and slightly disrespectful to one of the greatest defensive midfielders of our generation. Rodri is top, but comparing individual accolades between eras (especially when we are in a MUCH worse era in terms of quality of top players) is irrational. Vini will win the Golden ball when Neymar hasn’t, yet the gap in quality between these 2 is noticeable also. Busquets has plenty of top performances, has been consistently good for over a decade, was one of the most important players in some of the best teams we have ever seen Rodri has done great over last few yeaes but we just witnessed him get POTT in a tournament where he missed most of the final and wasn’t Spains most influential or best player this tournament, id argue Nico Williams and Fabian deserved it

@@Zureepi saying Rodri is better isn’t disrespectful honestly. It’s not irrational to compare players in terms of accolades. It shows how they dominated their own era. Busquets has good performances, but so does Rodri no? He even managed to be a UCL POTS, could win a BDO, and won the Euros POTT. Does Busquets have performances that lead him to any of these? The argument for Neymar vs Vini is different because he Neymar has been a top 5 player for multiple years. Ridiculous stats and clutch moments. Has good arguments of being 2015 UCL POTS, and was 2013 Confeds POTT, and 2021 CA POTT. That’s the difference. Busquets doesn’t have any of these. No era is truly better than the other. You rank players based on how they dominated their own era. I don’t think you can name me a single season where Busquets was arguably a top 15 player itw. It’s not because he played in a better era, it’s because he wasn’t able to outshine his competition.

@@Decinitive Aah yes, so because Busquets couldnt outshine, from Dm , Messi (best player ever at the peak of his powers), Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Neymar etc (bear in mind every single one of these players would be the best player in the world OUTRIGHT today) for barcelona to win individual trophies in his own era means he is ‘far worse’ than Rodri… Using individual accolades to compare people from current era (arguably the worst era in terms of the top top players in a few decades) to busquets era, which was one of if not the strongest era especially in midfield, is very silly. The argument between neymar and vini isnt different because of Neymars individual accolades (which Vini will surpass in club football in a few months due to his ucl campaign), its because Neymars just factually a better player than Vini, you don’t need to read stats to see this. Balondor winners of the next 5 years would maybe include players like Mbappe, Vini, Jude, Erling, Rodri etc, they will all obtain individual honours yet none would barely even be a top 5 player a decade ago… so according to you are all of these guys will be better than Suarez, Neymar, Xavi, Iniesta, (even Neuer at his best redefined goalkeeping and was flawless… ) because of accolades? Doesn’t make sense does it?

@@Zureepi Yes he couldn’t outshine Messi at all. Iniesta did (won UEFA Best Player in 2012), Xavi did (named best player itw by World Soccer in 2010), Suarez also has a strong argument in 2016, same for Neymar in 2015. No using accolades is not silly at all lmao. How is it any worse than your arguments? All you said was “longevity” and “he contributed to team trophies and has top performance”, as if Rodri doesn’t do the same thing. No Neymar’s case is different because he has the stats, the accolades, he’s been at the very best for many years. You can’t say the same about Busquets. Hazard, Sanchez, Kane, Kante, Pepe, all have been in the top 10 Ballon d’Or nominees in some year, but Busquets couldn’t do that? Just because Vini will win the ballon d’Or, that doesn’t mean he is better than Maldini. Maldini had seasons where he was like top 3 player itw. Busquets never did that. Maldini has been the best in his position for many years. His peak is one of the best (1994), Busquets? Not really. You say individual accolades isn’t the way, so tell me, how is Neymar better than Vini then? Using stats? Eye test? Sure, but wouldn’t that also make Rodri better than Busquets using these same arguments? He has better output, and eye test wise he’s better imo.

What exactly is “at what he good” and is it as important as what Rodri’s good at?

I used to be 50-50 about it, but I decided R9 is better. Romario is in my top 15 OAT whilst R9 top 10. What you think?

​@@Decinitive I think its soo dependant of eye test because his lack of professionality in the highest level, contrary to R9 (who lacks of longevity, but I really don´t care much about that)

@@pip3964 Biggest blackmarks for Romario for me is that he does not have truly great finals performances (R9 has CA finals, 2002 WC final, 1998 UEFA Cuo Final, etc). Another being is he doesn’t have much great UCL/Libertadores campaigns. Wheareas R9’s 1998 UEFA Cup campaign was pretty great (UEFA Cup >= UCL back then).

@@Decinitive Yes, I think that so

hahahaha, Busquets is Romario now? Anyone would dribble past your precious Busquets.

His longevity and collective trophies are his strongest points, though in my opinion his longevity isn’t even that impressive. It’s alright I guess. His only POTT award is the NL finals, which isn’t bad, quite good, but not as the other names you mentioned. Kante arguably POTT 20/21 UCL, Rodri 22/23 UCL, and some argue Kroos was 2014 WC POTT

Tbh I haven’t really looked into his stint and that campaign specially. It does look good based on stats but I don’t think it’s as impressive as R9 in 97/98

Yep your right, as good as any player I’ve seen

I would say him, Cruyff and Pele are the best two-footed passers of all time

@@a_guinness nahh ... Crujff played a lot with the external of his right foot, he wasn't a real 2 footed player. Pelé used his left foot a lot, but you can see he was right footed. With Charlton you almost can't understand which his favourite foot is

@@davidemaglio5745 Charlton was left footed, you can tell by how he dribbles, players usually lead with their stronger foot, no matter how two footed they are. That being said there was no hesitation from him when he was in a position to make a pass with his right, you wouldn't be able to tell from watching a passing comp whether he was left or right footed. Cruyff did use the outside of his right boot a lot, but he could also use the outside of his left, he could ping trivela passes while running with the ball with his left foot! See here 👉: ruclips.net/video/zx01ktY2RmU/видео.html He may have favoured his right but he was just as capable with his "weaker foot", as was Pele. They are the only two players I've seen who were able to chip keepers from outside the 18 yard box with either foot! There isn't much evidence of Charlton chipping keepers, even from inside the box. I've only seen two examples, both with his right, which means he would've been able to do so with his "stronger" left as well. These 3 are not just the best two-footed passers of all time, they're the most two-footed players! An argument could be made for putting Charlton first, but it's close between all of them imo.

Yup. Even crazier was that Argentina team was a top 5 national team back then. Sadly I could not find any footages of the match :(