@@the_halfshell 600-700 miles and 36-ish gallons is good enough for most, but the heavy long haulers would appreciate the extra range of a ~50 gallon like with the competitors. Combined with an aux tank, the 1,500+ mile range allows them to avoid high priced states.
@@the_halfshell Even 50 gallons is practical to a weekend warrior. With 50 gallons the unladen range is 900 miles, say. If you tow, you're going to get more around 350-450 miles towing a large camper. More than enough for someone like you who only needs to go 200 miles. However, that extra range would give you more fueling options. Instead of fueling up at the campsite where diesel is $5.49/gallon, you can go an extra 50 miles back to the nearest large city where diesel is $4.69/gallon, saving you $40/tank. If you do this every weekend or even only a few times year, you'll save hundreds or even thousands each year in vacation fueling costs. It's well worth it to have the extra capacity.
@@Redbloodroadrunner tuned is the key word, not to mention size and weight of the truck it's powering (assuming yours is still in an age appropriate Ram).
It’s because of Mr. Truck. These two play off of each other very well. They are the best combo in TFL. When Andres with Roman he has to keep him on track as Roman has a tendency to be all over the place. I enjoy the whole team but after meeting Andre at a truck meet he really is just a down to earth good guy. And I swear one of these days I’m going to sit down with Kent (Mr. Truck) and have a beer with him.
Speaking of fuel fillers, I was surprised to find out on my 2022 GMC 1500 with 3.0 Duramax that the big semi nozzle fits! Just be careful with those as you can get a pretty good overflow if you go all out with them!
I love new technology...no texting and driving but engineers think a movie screen in the dash is ok. And we can flip between screens and options while we drive. Oh well. Still a beautiful truck and im jealous. Thank you for what you guys do!!
Good video, always enjoy your comparisons. The rear gear ratios were mentioned… not sure what final OD is on both GM & Ford 10sp; but still a very significant difference in the 2 Rr Gear Ratios. The Ford was higher gear ratio, normally equates to less mpg. When doing a MPG test, helpful if you included the RPM at say 60 & 70mph… total combination Trans, Rr Diff & Tire size impact MPG a lot. The difference of .1 was insignificant… ambient temp, winds, etc can easily be .1-.3 difference.
Just got rid of a 2017 Ram. Every time I turned around I was spending $$$. Traded for a 2024 Chevy 3500 LTZ single wheel crew cab standard bed. Really liked the truck. Only have 900 miles on it as of right now. Been a Chevy guy all along.
Please do a 100 mile loop MPG test on the new L8T gas engine with the 10 speed automatic. I'd be interested to see how it compares to the Duramax MPG wise.
2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Denali Crew Cab Dually Long Bed.... tuned and completely deleted, I get 24.1 mpg with the cruise set on at 69 mph. These trucks respond so well to being deleted and tuned properly.
@marcelo403polo2 Is it fully deleted? I did mine when she only had 300 miles on the odometer. So, that makes a HUGE difference as well, because all the intake pipes, and CAC are still looking like brand-new on the inside. If you delete your truck, you gotta make sure you deleted the PVC, EGR, DPF, Cats, replace the downpipe, driver's side exhaust manifold, both up pipes, use 3" mandrel bent pipes, no muffler. I used a great tune from MotorOps up in Canada, and then tweked the tune myself with HP Tuners. Also, using the trailer tow mode until you get to 50 mph every time will make a big difference as well. It will lock the converter and stop wasting fuel in slipping the converter. You'll build boost faster, and the truck will be a lot more responsive, so you aren't sticking your foot in it as much.
@@ace1usmc Yes full delete. EGR blocked. I used H&S Performance as the tune. They are not on market anymore. 5" exhaust with only small muffler in the middle of the run. Its better than stock ever was. Best improvement it basically eliminated dead gas pedal.
Thanks guys for another great video! I am impressed by all the heavy duty trucks and most of the half tons as well. What is disappointing to me is the mid size trucks. Had one and its mpgs arent any better than the half tons. Sad. And now few if any have 6 foot beds. Doesnt seem like there is as much investment in mid size truck powertrains. Labeling them as Life style truck tells me everything
Hey TFL. Plenty of videos already of both the Ford and GM 10speeds apart. The short answer is no , they aren't the same. Both GM/ Ford scaled up the their co-deisgned half ton transmission. But they have different design philosophies. GM went for efficiency/quietness in the design of the hard parts. Allison basically had input on the valve body and pump design in the GM transmission. The Ford is a much heavier unit. It is built much stronger than GMs, but it's not as smooth or efficient.
Honestly I'm less concerned about mpg's and emissions and more concerned about reliability. Will this truck earn it's keep or will it be a lease-mobile?
There's a few videos out there that disassemble both of the heavy duty 10 speed transmissions (Ford and GM) to compare and there are significant differences in some of the the hard parts. In some areas, the Ford is more robust. Point is, there's more differences than just programming.
I think you have to do longer loops on these diesels, basically because of regen. If one had a regen in between and the other one did not your comparison will be way off on a 111mile stretch
The previous DMAX was subject to excessive soot that would clog the particulate filter to the point that regens, even forced regens wouldn't clean it and it would go into walk mode. Two to three weeks in the service dept to get it fixed. This would occur on long haul towing trips and was a big problem. This new Dmax version evidently has that mulligan cured.
That is highway miles. My 24 LTZ diesel not dually is 14-15 MPG average. It's 8-10 MPG city + stop light idling. It will do 18.5 MPG 75 MPH highway/interstate. 20 MPG if you're going under 60 MPH on a mostly flat highway long distance. Towing is a big variable, but basically towing light (3-4k) it's -2MPG and towing heavy (10k+) it's -10MPG. Computer meter is accurate within .5 MPG so I stopped manually calculating...seems like just a variance of when pump cuts off. Honestly not too impressed expecting better and wondering what gas trucks are getting...Tank fills up to 37 gallons when not even empty despite being supposedly 36...IMO seems like a 40 gallon tank to me or hopefully gauge isn't that off. Realistically 550-600 gallon range empty and probably half that towing max... that is 5-6 hours+ of driving when towing really heavy and many will want to stop got a break by 5 hours or wont be driving for than that in a day so it's fine...can get an aux or transfer fuel tank or just throw a few 5 gallon totes in the bed if you want more range...anyone who drives+tows that heavy long distance probably will already have a 100 gallon tank in the bed...especially a dually.
Of course the rear axel ratio makes a big difference in fuel economy (good or bad based upon how tall that gear is). You can't fight physics. The primary job of these new 10 speed transmissions is to get to 10th gear as efficiently as possible. Once there, the biggest difference in fuel economy will be determined by the rear axel ratio. That's why we always ask about rear axel gears.
You also have to consider the horse power and torque difference between the two, for highly optioned Limited Ford to (.1 difference) get almost the same fuel mileage as the lower HP and torque Chevy that's out standing results from the Ford power train.
I would like to be educated on when do the throttle body injectors work in every day driving as compared to the direct injectors in my eco-boost F150. I've read that the direct injectors kick in when you call for more power.....besides heavy towing and hard acceleration...what calls for more power?
When it comes to trucks, I'll take a firm shifting automatic over a soft shift every time. Slow soft shifting makes more heat and extra wear in the clutch packs.
Good video, im on the fence with what dually to get since Ford has a good diesel again after over a decade of duds That MPG sucks, thats the problem with the Auto's. My 04 Duramax and 14 Cummins do 19.5 arond town. Both are 3500 crews 8ft bed 6spd manual Any why the surprise it fits a big truck nozzel, every diesel ive ever seen or owned has the big fueler hole Even my 85 Chevy Celebrity with Olds diesel. Lol I might give Ford a try, never had a new one, im a Chevy guy but with all the Electronic issues im hearing about along with emmissio.n issues
Hi. I have been keeping my eyes on a 2017 ram laramie turno diesel with 98k miles. Is I a good move to buy a used diesel with that many miles. Ford dealer used vehicles is selling this truck. They say the truck has passed all inspections. Is that something I can trust?
@@LandParkColby pano roofs haven’t been in trucks very long. So how long did you own each truck? They are prone to seal issue causing leaks and wind issues. Both Ford and Dodge… and other brands in crossovers
Watched a video from GM engineer. 1/2 tons are a collab w Ford. HD trannys are a collab w Allison…. It’s not the same as the 1/2 ton. The HD tranny’s seem smoother on the 2500 and 3500 GM than Ford Superduties…
Interesting that i have a half ton gm 2021 with ten speed and 3.0 and 2023 F150 with ecoboost 3.5. Love both trucks. However the gm ten speed is much smoother than the F150 and my workers agree as well. Not sure why but had the ford in for reprogramming at 9500 miles. Still not as smooth as the gm for some reason.
The fuel tank is way too small. I bought a 2022 Duramax new and immediately dropped fhe fuel tank and put the larger Titan tank in. I dont understand why GM thinks that a 200 mile range is acceptable when towing very heavy...
All that eco mode does in the Ford changes the shift points and throttle input(like sport mode adds throttle angle). Axle ratio isnt as critical as it once was. A 3.55 in the Ford is the same rating a 4.10 in the Ram, a 4.10 has a huge mechanical advantage. That Gooseball 4"aft of axle is the WORST idea in the HD world. Nothing like removing weight from the steering axle. Especially when towing 20-25k lol. Rockstar ideas, lets add 4"inches to the bed length(so its 1" longer than the Ford) without actually engineering the truck properly(adjusting the wheelbase). That 10L1000 is the same internals as the Ford 10R140. Clutch material is different(because the fluid is different) the operating temps are completely different(cooling stratagies are polar opposite). In the end the planetary sets are the same, the rest is unique to each transmission. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business(collaboration). I was saying they were the same transmission right from the day I compared the ratios on paper. These things are that hard to spot. Its like the Ram HD hasnt changed much since 2011, all the trucks are on the exact same wheelbase, interior space, and overall dimensions. Same applies to the GMT800, 900, K2XX Trucks. All the same with marginal improvents(and very clear re-skins)
I read where the Ford TC locks differently, maybe stronger, otherwise they’re functionally the same. Not $17,000 better, and somebody like me would never challenge the parts as hard as some people will.
@@garysarratt1 I love the 10R140 and the transmission strategy varies greatly. I always use the engine brake. So from 2nd to 10th it's always locked(TC lock is required for engine braking). If you use Tow/Haul its also locked from 2nd to 10th, but it holds the gears longer(higher rpm before shifting) the ECO mode just add a softer throttle map(less "throttle plate" angle) as there is no throttle plate in a diesel, and upshifts sooner(lower rpm is less fuel injection events)
you mean like the 8 and 9 speeds that are the center of multiple lawsuits for being faulty? they haven't really made a good factory transmission since the 4l80. Ford just has software issues with it's self learning, GM has issues with hard parts. The 6r80 from 2011+ is a awesome transmission.
.1 difference in MPG on two different days on at different pumps and different courses isn’t really a measurable amount. Remember that Ford was coming from Detroit so it was a steady climb if they did it from Denver to Detroit it would be a different result. I’m an Owner Operator truck driver in Colorado and when ever I head east I always get better MPG than coming home, it’s not a huge difference but there is a difference.
Well we moved to Colorado Springs area from north east AR wich went from 1000 to 5000 ft and even with our NA engines we see exactly zero difference. MPG is related to how much air the engine is taking in so if you just end up with the throttle open further up here but you are still taking in the same amount if you had it more closed at lower elevation. You'll see a change in "peak" power not really mpg.
In order to find the final drive ratio, you need to know the gear ratio of the transmission, the rear axle ratio and the tire rolling diameter. When you compare the Aisin 6 speed to the Ford or GM 10 speed, the highest gear ratio is almost identical. The only advantage IMO is if you are operating in a narrow torque band.
In the TFL recent drag racing the Ford used was the High Output diesel engine over the standard Ford diesel. For a more fair comparison let’s see how Chevy/Ford stack up when comparing apples to apples. You could also have Gale Banks tune the GM to 500 plus pony’s and run the races again. You guys need to drop the overly apparent Ford bias. It’s so evident and hinders the objectivity of your video content.
If the Ford 350 had the same curb weight and same options than the Ford would get better mileage!, cause you would be comparing equal weight. Common guys you use to be more honest and fairer. Eric Pa
Whose fault is it the Ford isn't the same weight? Nothing is equal in the automotive industry, but it's still an apples to apples comparison. They're just comparing red apples to green apples.
Lol what are you talking about. You compare the trucks as they sit. How much weight are we even talking lol, these trucks weigh over 7,000lbs, is 200lb difference going to kill the test? No lol crying Ford blue for every little thing
They talked about this extensively on multiple podcast. They can rarely compare apples to apples since they can't buy or get loaners for every truck spec. This is good enough coming from a Ford guy. I'm ok with the results. GM has done a great job. All these trucks are excellent. I'm happy to see the competition heating up, I want more capable trucks. The better GM and RAM get the better the next Ford will be, etc.
Lol the guys with clapped out diesels making this claim, dude the emissions are worlds different… oh and remind me what the HP and torque is of your engine??? THESE. ARE. NOT. SAME
Haha you can’t even compare. That Chevy meets 2023 emissions standards and has almost double the power and torque of that 6.0, AND duallies use more fuel than singles. I remember driving a 2004 or 2005 Duramax that consistently got 24mpg.
Fords do a regen every 500 miles regardless of DPF condition. GMs and Rams every 24 engine hours. To make these tests apples to apples you should ensure that either all the trucks regen by driving them further or that all of them don’t by driving shorter distances. I assume the Ram looks worse than it is due to the timing of the regen. You can hook up a cheap OBD Bluetooth adaptor and download an app to monitor this on all of them. I’m willing to bet they are all pretty close…
If people think the valvebody and tuning aren't "much of a difference" then they don't know much about transmissions. GM is drawing on history and knowledge dating back to 1939 when it comes to tradeoffs for shift quality, longevity and overall capability. That's why their 10 speeds generally garner much more positive feedback than "the same" transmission in Ford applications.
I recently saw a video where a guy took apart both GM's heavy duty and Ford's Super Duty 10 speed transmission and while the design was the same, Ford's 10R140 had much beefier internals. While I think GM did a much better job with the exterior and interior designs of their heavy duty truck compare to Ford, I place a greater value on Ford's 7.3 and 10R140 combination.
Even with 35 gallons, that's still nearly 620 miles of range. Not too bad.
36 gallon
Ford 48gal 920 miles empty. 500 towing 13k fifth wheel at 11-13 miles per gallon
@@the_halfshell 600-700 miles and 36-ish gallons is good enough for most, but the heavy long haulers would appreciate the extra range of a ~50 gallon like with the competitors. Combined with an aux tank, the 1,500+ mile range allows them to avoid high priced states.
@@the_halfshell Even 50 gallons is practical to a weekend warrior.
With 50 gallons the unladen range is 900 miles, say. If you tow, you're going to get more around 350-450 miles towing a large camper. More than enough for someone like you who only needs to go 200 miles. However, that extra range would give you more fueling options. Instead of fueling up at the campsite where diesel is $5.49/gallon, you can go an extra 50 miles back to the nearest large city where diesel is $4.69/gallon, saving you $40/tank. If you do this every weekend or even only a few times year, you'll save hundreds or even thousands each year in vacation fueling costs. It's well worth it to have the extra capacity.
Andre, Mr Truck, thanks for putting in the effort on these videos. Really interesting content and insights.
Thanks
I just like how the camera isn't cutting off while driving
I’ve been seeing similar mpg in my 2024 2500 Silverado. I’ve gotten 18ish mpg highway and a little over 11 towing. Been a solid truck so far.
Can't wait to see what my '24 Sierra does. Doing my 1st tow today.
Man my 12 valve Cummins tuned for power still gets 14 towing and 21 highway….
With my 2024 GMC 3500 SRW, that now has about 2,500 miles on it, I have been seeing about 21 mpg hwy, and about 10 mpg towing our 37' fifth wheel.
@@Redbloodroadrunner tuned is the key word, not to mention size and weight of the truck it's powering (assuming yours is still in an age appropriate Ram).
@@ALMX5DP I mean tuned by basic mechanical adjustments, and it’s still a 7500 pound truck empty
Always a good Saturday with Andre and Mr. Truck!
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Once again, it’s always a good Saturday morning waking up to Andre and Mr. truck!
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I love the Denver 100. Put the 2024 Chevrolet 2500 gas 10 speed on the 100 to see what it gets.
Why does Andre’s sense of humor get better every year lol
It’s because of Mr. Truck. These two play off of each other very well. They are the best combo in TFL. When Andres with Roman he has to keep him on track as Roman has a tendency to be all over the place. I enjoy the whole team but after meeting Andre at a truck meet he really is just a down to earth good guy. And I swear one of these days I’m going to sit down with Kent (Mr. Truck) and have a beer with him.
Because it was so bad to start with. 😂
You put Mr. Truck and Andre = Instant like from me. Best combination and these guys have chemistry.
You need to run the Ford on this same loop. Ford’s average over 600 + miles is really impressive, curious what it would do on this loop.
If the ford would run.
That’s because of the huge gas tank
Great Video as Always. Love the shirt Mr. Truck! Nothing like a good truck in the good ole USA!
I have gotten 18.8 mpg in my 2024 denali 3500 dually, doing 68 mph. With adaptive cruise engaged.
Speaking of fuel fillers, I was surprised to find out on my 2022 GMC 1500 with 3.0 Duramax that the big semi nozzle fits! Just be careful with those as you can get a pretty good overflow if you go all out with them!
What is your mpg in your truck? How do you like it? Any major issues? Does it have the 10 spd trans?
I love new technology...no texting and driving but engineers think a movie screen in the dash is ok. And we can flip between screens and options while we drive. Oh well. Still a beautiful truck and im jealous. Thank you for what you guys do!!
Good video, always enjoy your comparisons. The rear gear ratios were mentioned… not sure what final OD is on both GM & Ford 10sp; but still a very significant difference in the 2 Rr Gear Ratios. The Ford was higher gear ratio, normally equates to less mpg. When doing a MPG test, helpful if you included the RPM at say 60 & 70mph… total combination Trans, Rr Diff & Tire size impact MPG a lot. The difference of .1 was insignificant… ambient temp, winds, etc can easily be .1-.3 difference.
Mr.Truck and Andre are THE bomb!!!!
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Loving the Denver 100.
Just got rid of a 2017 Ram. Every time I turned around I was spending $$$. Traded for a 2024 Chevy 3500 LTZ single wheel crew cab standard bed. Really liked the truck. Only have 900 miles on it as of right now. Been a Chevy guy all along.
Wish you guys would do more Gaser HDs
Please do a 100 mile loop MPG test on the new L8T gas engine with the 10 speed automatic. I'd be interested to see how it compares to the Duramax MPG wise.
2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Denali Crew Cab Dually Long Bed.... tuned and completely deleted, I get 24.1 mpg with the cruise set on at 69 mph. These trucks respond so well to being deleted and tuned properly.
wow. my deleted LML gets 16-17mpg just city driving. About 22 highway driving
@marcelo403polo2 Is it fully deleted? I did mine when she only had 300 miles on the odometer. So, that makes a HUGE difference as well, because all the intake pipes, and CAC are still looking like brand-new on the inside. If you delete your truck, you gotta make sure you deleted the PVC, EGR, DPF, Cats, replace the downpipe, driver's side exhaust manifold, both up pipes, use 3" mandrel bent pipes, no muffler. I used a great tune from MotorOps up in Canada, and then tweked the tune myself with HP Tuners. Also, using the trailer tow mode until you get to 50 mph every time will make a big difference as well. It will lock the converter and stop wasting fuel in slipping the converter. You'll build boost faster, and the truck will be a lot more responsive, so you aren't sticking your foot in it as much.
@@ace1usmc Yes full delete. EGR blocked. I used H&S Performance as the tune. They are not on market anymore. 5" exhaust with only small muffler in the middle of the run. Its better than stock ever was. Best improvement it basically eliminated dead gas pedal.
Thanks guys for another great video! I am impressed by all the heavy duty trucks and most of the half tons as well. What is disappointing to me is the mid size trucks. Had one and its mpgs arent any better than the half tons. Sad. And now few if any have 6 foot beds. Doesnt seem like there is as much investment in mid size truck powertrains. Labeling them as Life style truck tells me everything
Hey TFL. Plenty of videos already of both the Ford and GM 10speeds apart. The short answer is no , they aren't the same. Both GM/ Ford scaled up the their co-deisgned half ton transmission. But they have different design philosophies. GM went for efficiency/quietness in the design of the hard parts. Allison basically had input on the valve body and pump design in the GM transmission. The Ford is a much heavier unit. It is built much stronger than GMs, but it's not as smooth or efficient.
Honestly I'm less concerned about mpg's and emissions and more concerned about reliability. Will this truck earn it's keep or will it be a lease-mobile?
Thank you, love when you do the real world tests
can you do the new 6.6 10 speed gasser please? Maybe ford 6.8 vs 7.3?
I’ve got a 2015 3500hd. Range is great but the days of needing fuel before I have to pee are gone....
I'd like to know how the ride quality is compared to the Ford F350 dually.
There's a few videos out there that disassemble both of the heavy duty 10 speed transmissions (Ford and GM) to compare and there are significant differences in some of the the hard parts. In some areas, the Ford is more robust. Point is, there's more differences than just programming.
Our 3500 has been on order for over 3 months from the GM acceptance e mail.
I think you have to do longer loops on these diesels, basically because of regen. If one had a regen in between and the other one did not your comparison will be way off on a 111mile stretch
Nice truck.
Nice color.
And two Nice Guys I like the Nice hats 👒 ❤
Thanks, we're truckers
Sinclair left Georgia a long long time ago.
That's about the same mpg of the 2023 Chevy Colorado ZR2. I think I'll keep my diesel.
I have a 2024 same color, but gas engine and I’m getting around 16 to 17 on the highway
I’m curious of the mileage once Deleted. I’m guessing a 20% improvement.
Amazing how much Andre has grown in Knowlege.
I agree, but it’s also is his job, I’d hope everyone learns and grows at their job
@@andrewsbbq Agreed but he went from reading wheel temps in Russian to being the lead figure in a very successful RUclips Channel. Well done.
This would be a nice truck camper hauler!
I like Kent’s shirt. 🇺🇸 Andre is also the most American Russian I know.
Thanks
The previous DMAX was subject to excessive soot that would clog the particulate filter to the point that regens, even forced regens wouldn't clean it and it would go into walk mode. Two to three weeks in the service dept to get it fixed. This would occur on long haul towing trips and was a big problem. This new Dmax version evidently has that mulligan cured.
The L5P been out since ‘17 so maybe you’re referring to the LML because I haven’t heard any of those issues with the L5P
Well, I’ve had two LMLs and now a L5P. I have never had any emissions related problems.
@@carltongray3302 Can't talk about L5P, But LML before delete never did regen while towing. It ws basically passive one.
Kent you're looking good! Keep it up!
Thanks, I'm worried, I'm getting whistles from hot chicks in truck now
I have a one ton van with a 6 L
GMC that I get 14.2 miles per gallon every day it is a 2014 I use it for work
That is highway miles. My 24 LTZ diesel not dually is 14-15 MPG average. It's 8-10 MPG city + stop light idling. It will do 18.5 MPG 75 MPH highway/interstate. 20 MPG if you're going under 60 MPH on a mostly flat highway long distance. Towing is a big variable, but basically towing light (3-4k) it's -2MPG and towing heavy (10k+) it's -10MPG. Computer meter is accurate within .5 MPG so I stopped manually calculating...seems like just a variance of when pump cuts off. Honestly not too impressed expecting better and wondering what gas trucks are getting...Tank fills up to 37 gallons when not even empty despite being supposedly 36...IMO seems like a 40 gallon tank to me or hopefully gauge isn't that off. Realistically 550-600 gallon range empty and probably half that towing max... that is 5-6 hours+ of driving when towing really heavy and many will want to stop got a break by 5 hours or wont be driving for than that in a day so it's fine...can get an aux or transfer fuel tank or just throw a few 5 gallon totes in the bed if you want more range...anyone who drives+tows that heavy long distance probably will already have a 100 gallon tank in the bed...especially a dually.
Most ppl just run 75-80mph everywhere all day in Texas!
I PASSED YOU ?? 😂🤣
Facts
Of course the rear axel ratio makes a big difference in fuel economy (good or bad based upon how tall that gear is). You can't fight physics. The primary job of these new 10 speed transmissions is to get to 10th gear as efficiently as possible. Once there, the biggest difference in fuel economy will be determined by the rear axel ratio. That's why we always ask about rear axel gears.
What’s an axel?
You also have to consider the horse power and torque difference between the two, for highly optioned Limited Ford to (.1 difference) get almost the same fuel mileage as the lower HP and torque Chevy that's out standing results from the Ford power train.
I travel with GM is you raise the back seat on a Crew cab, you can't get a flat floor.
Now test it without any emissions equipment and a retune for MPG. I think these trucks would be well over 20 mpg.
You shouldnt let the truck grade shift on an mpg test. Its just like braking.
I never seen a sinclair in Maine😂
My 22 says it can go about 640 miles on a tank pretty impressive
Good looking truck.
Yea I’d like to see ford and ram run the same loop.
I would like to be educated on when do the throttle body injectors work in every day driving as compared to the direct injectors in my eco-boost F150. I've read that the direct injectors kick in when you call for more power.....besides heavy towing and hard acceleration...what calls for more power?
When it comes to trucks, I'll take a firm shifting automatic over a soft shift every time. Slow soft shifting makes more heat and extra wear in the clutch packs.
Would be interesting to see the difference when u put the fords in eco vs normal if u save that much or not
Good video, im on the fence with what dually to get since Ford has a good diesel again after over a decade of duds
That MPG sucks, thats the problem with the Auto's. My 04 Duramax and 14 Cummins do 19.5 arond town. Both are 3500 crews 8ft bed 6spd manual
Any why the surprise it fits a big truck nozzel, every diesel ive ever seen or owned has the big fueler hole
Even my 85 Chevy Celebrity with Olds diesel. Lol
I might give Ford a try, never had a new one, im a Chevy guy but with all the Electronic issues im hearing about along with emmissio.n issues
Hi. I have been keeping my eyes on a 2017 ram laramie turno diesel with 98k miles. Is I a good move to buy a used diesel with that many miles. Ford dealer used vehicles is selling this truck. They say the truck has passed all inspections. Is that something I can trust?
Maybe check into the ZF trans made by the German ZF factory and the one built under license by Fiat/Stelantis.
Why are they putting these panoramic roofs in everything, especially trucks ??? They’re nothing but problems!
We hate them.
That’s not a panoramic roof
GM doesn’t put panoramic roofs in any of their trucks.
My last two trucks had/have panoramic roofs - no problems, no leaking, no squeaking, etc. Really nice. What problems are you speaking of?
@@LandParkColby pano roofs haven’t been in trucks very long. So how long did you own each truck? They are prone to seal issue causing leaks and wind issues. Both Ford and Dodge… and other brands in crossovers
Watched a video from GM engineer. 1/2 tons are a collab w Ford. HD trannys are a collab w Allison…. It’s not the same as the 1/2 ton. The HD tranny’s seem smoother on the 2500 and 3500 GM than Ford Superduties…
Im curious to see what the new 2024 Ram 3500 HD mpg is?
My ram rarely gets to 14mpg average, 5500 with 4.89 though
Interesting that i have a half ton gm 2021 with ten speed and 3.0 and 2023 F150 with ecoboost 3.5. Love both trucks. However the gm ten speed is much smoother than the F150 and my workers agree as well. Not sure why but had the ford in for reprogramming at 9500 miles. Still not as smooth as the gm for some reason.
The fuel tank is way too small. I bought a 2022 Duramax new and immediately dropped fhe fuel tank and put the larger Titan tank in. I dont understand why GM thinks that a 200 mile range is acceptable when towing very heavy...
No Sinclairs in south central TN.
What GPS are you using?
Hey……what is the watch Mr. Truck wears???
An Invicta
All that eco mode does in the Ford changes the shift points and throttle input(like sport mode adds throttle angle). Axle ratio isnt as critical as it once was. A 3.55 in the Ford is the same rating a 4.10 in the Ram, a 4.10 has a huge mechanical advantage. That Gooseball 4"aft of axle is the WORST idea in the HD world. Nothing like removing weight from the steering axle. Especially when towing 20-25k lol. Rockstar ideas, lets add 4"inches to the bed length(so its 1" longer than the Ford) without actually engineering the truck properly(adjusting the wheelbase). That 10L1000 is the same internals as the Ford 10R140. Clutch material is different(because the fluid is different) the operating temps are completely different(cooling stratagies are polar opposite). In the end the planetary sets are the same, the rest is unique to each transmission. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business(collaboration). I was saying they were the same transmission right from the day I compared the ratios on paper. These things are that hard to spot. Its like the Ram HD hasnt changed much since 2011, all the trucks are on the exact same wheelbase, interior space, and overall dimensions. Same applies to the GMT800, 900, K2XX Trucks. All the same with marginal improvents(and very clear re-skins)
I read where the Ford TC locks differently, maybe stronger, otherwise they’re functionally the same. Not $17,000 better, and somebody like me would never challenge the parts as hard as some people will.
@@garysarratt1 I love the 10R140 and the transmission strategy varies greatly. I always use the engine brake. So from 2nd to 10th it's always locked(TC lock is required for engine braking). If you use Tow/Haul its also locked from 2nd to 10th, but it holds the gears longer(higher rpm before shifting) the ECO mode just add a softer throttle map(less "throttle plate" angle) as there is no throttle plate in a diesel, and upshifts sooner(lower rpm is less fuel injection events)
What GPS app is that?
Ford finally got smart and got Chevrolet to show them how to build a good quality transmission
Ford hasn’t made a bad transmission in a long time
you mean like the 8 and 9 speeds that are the center of multiple lawsuits for being faulty? they haven't really made a good factory transmission since the 4l80. Ford just has software issues with it's self learning, GM has issues with hard parts. The 6r80 from 2011+ is a awesome transmission.
@@Davidk.p4😂
Ford sucks at everything period.
@@tmklunk name one year in the past 20 years that ford made a bad transmission, literally every year in the super duty’s since like 99 has been good
That’s really decent gas mileage for a HD pickup, almost as good as my V6 Nissan!
.1 difference in MPG on two different days on at different pumps and different courses isn’t really a measurable amount. Remember that Ford was coming from Detroit so it was a steady climb if they did it from Denver to Detroit it would be a different result. I’m an Owner Operator truck driver in Colorado and when ever I head east I always get better MPG than coming home, it’s not a huge difference but there is a difference.
Something odd- why do they have the speedo go up to 140? Like what’s the point? Truck will never see past 100 realistically. It’s just weird
You can change the units to kilometers
crazy thats only 1.7 MPG better than teh old 6 speed 6.6 gasser. and only 2.5 better than the 7.3 Ford......
Sinclair big western petroleum supplier.
Does Altitudes affect fuel Mpg?
5335 elevation
I’m 2500 in elevation
It could but this being a turbodiesel the effects of altitude would be noticeably reduced.
Well we moved to Colorado Springs area from north east AR wich went from 1000 to 5000 ft and even with our NA engines we see exactly zero difference. MPG is related to how much air the engine is taking in so if you just end up with the throttle open further up here but you are still taking in the same amount if you had it more closed at lower elevation. You'll see a change in "peak" power not really mpg.
There are NO Sinclair stations around here..
If it is so important to you that you felt you needed to tell everyone then I suggest you move to a State that has Sinclair.
@@mikek5298 Nah...
200 miles would be a better test.
I finally got Andre to come around on the notion that rear gears mean nothing now with 10 speed transmissions! Success!
In order to find the final drive ratio, you need to know the gear ratio of the transmission, the rear axle ratio and the tire rolling diameter.
When you compare the Aisin 6 speed to the Ford or GM 10 speed, the highest gear ratio is almost identical. The only advantage IMO is if you are operating in a narrow torque band.
ford still killing em making more power using same fuel
Yup 1/2 a truck on the Chevy in the quarter mile,that 6.7ho ain't that special.
The Ford should be ran on the same loop.
In the TFL recent drag racing the Ford used was the High Output diesel engine over the standard Ford diesel. For a more fair comparison let’s see how Chevy/Ford stack up when comparing apples to apples.
You could also have Gale Banks tune the GM to 500 plus pony’s and run the races again.
You guys need to drop the overly apparent Ford bias. It’s so evident and hinders the objectivity of your video content.
With my 22 ps and 3.355 gear i can get 20-21 on flat ground at 65 mph. So i end up getting 16.5 at 85 mph lol
Not going to have to worry about it. Gm has lost my support by pricing themselves out of the realistic market. 50 years gm and not buying another
Pull the max payload on the trucks and test it
I'll spend some of the 25k in savings on a auxiliary fuel tank.
This is 1 mpg better than my GMC 3500 DRW 6.6 gas..
If the Ford 350 had the same curb weight and same options than the Ford would get better mileage!, cause you would be comparing equal weight. Common guys you use to be more honest and fairer. Eric Pa
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Whose fault is it the Ford isn't the same weight? Nothing is equal in the automotive industry, but it's still an apples to apples comparison. They're just comparing red apples to green apples.
Lol what are you talking about. You compare the trucks as they sit. How much weight are we even talking lol, these trucks weigh over 7,000lbs, is 200lb difference going to kill the test? No lol crying Ford blue for every little thing
They talked about this extensively on multiple podcast. They can rarely compare apples to apples since they can't buy or get loaners for every truck spec. This is good enough coming from a Ford guy. I'm ok with the results. GM has done a great job. All these trucks are excellent. I'm happy to see the competition heating up, I want more capable trucks. The better GM and RAM get the better the next Ford will be, etc.
If you run the Ford in eco mode it could be worth a couple miles per gallon so pay attention when they test the Ford
I can get 16mpg in a 05 powerstroke with 37's. 18yr newer and stock should do better.
That’s because it’s always on the trailer getting towed to the shop, because that 6.0 is the worst engine ever made
Hard to beat the laws of physics.
@@TheFlairside 6.4 was much worse. The 6.0 had some issues that were easily resolved.
Lol the guys with clapped out diesels making this claim, dude the emissions are worlds different… oh and remind me what the HP and torque is of your engine??? THESE. ARE. NOT. SAME
Haha you can’t even compare. That Chevy meets 2023 emissions standards and has almost double the power and torque of that 6.0, AND duallies use more fuel than singles. I remember driving a 2004 or 2005 Duramax that consistently got 24mpg.
Shake the truck after it clicks on a fill, then fill, then shake, fill again etc
Fords do a regen every 500 miles regardless of DPF condition. GMs and Rams every 24 engine hours. To make these tests apples to apples you should ensure that either all the trucks regen by driving them further or that all of them don’t by driving shorter distances. I assume the Ram looks worse than it is due to the timing of the regen. You can hook up a cheap OBD Bluetooth adaptor and download an app to monitor this on all of them. I’m willing to bet they are all pretty close…
17.7 MPG. 🤔
Behind the axle? Seriously?
If people think the valvebody and tuning aren't "much of a difference" then they don't know much about transmissions. GM is drawing on history and knowledge dating back to 1939 when it comes to tradeoffs for shift quality, longevity and overall capability. That's why their 10 speeds generally garner much more positive feedback than "the same" transmission in Ford applications.
It's about 12 thousand pounds with all tools in it
GM is building absolute garbage for vehicles stay far away !!!
Mr. Truck “want to do the HONORS??
N PAY !!!!! 😡😡
I recently saw a video where a guy took apart both GM's heavy duty and Ford's Super Duty 10 speed transmission and while the design was the same, Ford's 10R140 had much beefier internals. While I think GM did a much better job with the exterior and interior designs of their heavy duty truck compare to Ford, I place a greater value on Ford's 7.3 and 10R140 combination.
That gas station is trash in California dude’s