I am a C1 user for many years and was disappointed they recently they announced and kind of forcing us to move to subscription module. The only reason I switched from LR to C1 was to avoid the subscription module. Your video is excellent and have made my decision to move back to LR easy. Thank you for the great unbias video and really appreciate for putting something like this.
This is a great review and mirrors much of my own thinking. I've used Lightroom for years now and have frankly grown tired of it's instability, inconsistency with cloud sync, lack of parity between LRC and LRCC, and slowness. I have over 6TB of files, LR only allows up to 1TB for cloud sync, so I have a complicated workflow of starting imports in LRCC then archiving to LRC. However LRC does not play well syncing originals from LRCC. I've been trying to import 6TB of files into C1 and well it's been a week and previews are still building. That said the AI masking in LR is light years ahead of C1, and when it works, the fact that I can edit on my iPad, and those edits are synced to my desktop and laptop is amazing. C1 has built-in Leica profiles that I thought were better than LR, until I realized the sharpness and noise reduction were turned up, and I can get the same look from LR by doing the same. I do like the flexibility of the color editing, but I can still get the same final result in LR. I think much of the mindshare around C1 is due to Capture One sponsoring RUclipsrs. LRC has had tethering for many years and it works fine. C1 has advantages in wireless tethering and crating separate "sessions", but I wouldn't say the actual process is night and day from LRC. End the end, I'll probably just stay with LR as it's overall advantages in 2023 outweigh the few that C1 has.
There is a pretty easy Answers to all this! People see Color, Contrast and artifacts differently Some see it more than others! Then If There is no Problem at all with the demosaicing process (Adaptive Homogeneity-Directed (AHD) ) in Lightroom (I don't know that C1 is using), For FujiFilm camera and Sony Camers then they would never Develop the "Enhance Details" for demosaicing process If everything was fine. .. But you can set the "Details" slider in the sharpenig Tab to "0" and you will get less artifacts in most Raw files. sharaping has always been bad in LR/ACR i Feel like. i Use Both C1 an LR.. GREAT VIDEO BTW! 👍🤓
The recent subscription changes are crazy, but of all the arguments, I don't think the price is a big factor - they are both expensive products anyway - I've used the same version of Capture One for years and only had to upgrade when I switched to an M1 Mac, and I suspect what most people will do is to buy once and then update when they need, so the only real difference is if one really needs the latest updates all the time or not. I suppose Adobe doesn't roll out new features every month so I think the most interesting question is what gives you the best quality given your workflow, i.e. if you need the super advanced colour editing of Capture One and use Affinity for editing, or if you are happier with the Adobe ecosystem.
you have to upgrade capture one the moment fuji xt6 or a new lens pops on the market which is retarded + LR and PS subscription is at least twice as cheap as capture one. i dont know what the fuck fuji are smoking to promote this overpriced crap
Maybe it's just me, but I find Capture One Express (completely free) does a WAY better job of matching the Fuji film simulations. You can compare a JPEG from the camera to a C1 RAW file and a Lightroom RAW file (both using the same Fuji profile), and the C1 RAW will be far closer. It gives a much better starting point similar to what you saw on the back of the camera. Capture One also recovers highlights better for me and skin tones have a more pleasing pop. Perhaps it's possible to achieve similar results in Lightroom but it seems to require infinitely more fussing around (and this is coming from someone that has used Lightroom for a decade before trying C1).
Interesting. Should be the same engine. Neither do a perfect job of matching sims in LR or C1. I don't use the RAw sims anyways as I can get better results with presets and styles.
If you own a Fuji XH2 or XT5 with that new 40mp sensor, Capture One is way better at RAW processing. Don't know why, but it is. I've done the testing. Way more detail in finished jpeg. However, with the 26mp sensors from Fuji, they aren't that discernible from LrC jpegs. Weird.
I have also testes the new XT5 RAw files and C1 did not come out better. Sounds like you hit a anomoly. But I plan to to a new test video on this soon.
Eh, fanboys? I have been testing both Lightroom and C1 for my canon and fuji raw files, and C1 delivered significantly better files. Thats just it, there's a ton of side by side comparisons online... its not like its not demonstrable. And since you called a segment of the people watching your video as fanboys, I don't believe your judgement is clear in this comparison either@@Seimstudios
Thanks , i start use LR for while and i like it, i thought about C1 after adobe last update agreement that breach privacy, but after seeing your video and other videos about LR alternative , each app have its pros and cons and since adobe is more cheaper and i get used to work with it , i decide to stuck with it
I bought C1 21 on a perpetual license to avoid the subscription scam of LR. Then they went all in on the subscription scene, but in a dishonest way. They not only ceased offering updates to perpetual licensees, but they made it so that it will not work on any Mac updates. So my C1 no longer works at all. I’m going to LR.
I switched from LR about three years ago, due to the import module and the library organization. At that time, it was a pain to import and separate the files in LR. And in my workflow, where I need to tag, filter and separate the image of several subjects of each session, it would cost me a lot of time. When I first used C1 it was like a breeze to do that. Its module has been updated and, besides not knowing how's in LR, I think that it's almost impossible to beat C1 in this matter. I loved the addition that Adobe put on the masking using AI. And the would be the only thing that still makes me think about turning back to LR, but the library, for now, it's more important to me.
That's interesting I din the C1 library much more dated. You could not even synchronize folders still about a year ago. But I say use what works for you.
Now you can synchronize and much more. I love the speed to import images, the way C1 group photos when importing, the new addition to automatically zoom to faces and so on. But, as you said, we should use what fits better to our needs.
I was very disappointed with C1’s lack of masking innovation in this latest release. I was anticipating something bigger than styles and smart adjustments.
Honesty I was too. It's like they thought they could fake us my pretending some small features was smart without actually making anything that was smart,
Appreciate your preface conclusion on the merits of both these apps. I’m a long term C1 user but rather disgusted by their licensing approach since I tried to update a minor patch and they wanted more :( So keen to try lightroom and this is encouraging. Many thanks 🙏
Ya basically they are subscription only since since you are punished in the extreme for buying perpetual. At that point might as well get LR and PS since they are ahead of the game in every way.
My only problem with Lr& & Adobe in general: without the competition from ON1, DxO, CO1... where would Lr and PS be, what pace their development speed, what costumer satisfaction road, what price?.... just my 2 cents.
@@Seimstudios Adobe is many times the size of Capture One. They can throw teams of people at LR features that are probably larger than the entire dev team for C1. IDK that the competition is stupid as much as outweighed. That said LRC is a bloated mess that they keep bolting features on to, but they haven't built LRCC to have parity in many basic features yet so LRC still lives. Adobe's AI advantages will be hard for smaller competition to match up with.
Capture One focuses on quality. The rendering, output and dedicated camera brand profiles are second to none. Lightroom is a more generic value proposition.
That's actually a myth that may have been true years ago but no longer. In every test I've done. LR produces equal results and on things like noise is probably better, even on Fuji files. But in teh end use what feels best for you I always say.
Why You didn't mention a word, about C1 one of best features, which is: linear response film curve (where You have access to all DR from Your sensor), and luma curve??
Both C1 and LR have a basline curve that looks about the came. Curves are generally more useful I would argue. But yes it's great that C1 has levels. C1 has some things LR does not and LR has even more things C1 does not. Both process with the same quality. In the end use what you like.
Thank you so much….I just bought the new Fuji xh2 and already have a Lightroom/photoshop subscription(the $10/month which is a bargain) thinking I was gonna have to buy another program just to process my raw files after watching so many RUclipsrs saying Lightroom was terrible for Fuji.
Pretty sure LR doesn't use Raw.. files it converts them into something else and changes the photos and colors, highlights seems to be more shadows etc.. Ive used LR for years and just recently tried C1 and 100% the C1 the photos are much more close to what i shot in camera then LR skintones. Without a doubt far better. It seems to take less for me to get a photo exactly where i want it to be before i take it to photoshop. Don't get me wrong ive made some awesome work with LR and will still use it but, not for studio work. There is a reason why the top pros use C1 and i see why now..
LR def used RAW filed. Not sure what cameras you have but no C1 does not render far better and top pros use both. It's just a tool. Both read RAW files in the same way, though they may interpret them a but differently. This will vary by camera. If the end however choose what you like best. LR in general has more power than C1 in 2024 because of it's ai selection and noise tools. But in general you will get equal results with C1.
You should look it up lr changes from raw to thier own version. I shoot canon and I can see a huge difference in the way the photos are read by each program. The skin tones are clearly different under studio lighting I use profoto b10. I get the ai shortcuts are great, but that wasn't what I was talking about I use both was just saying there is a significant difference in the way they start off to be edited. They both seem to have great things I will use them both. Just was a bit surprised that they seemed so different. Because I have used lightroom for so long it will be hard to leave fully of coarse.
@@PMP77Yes I know. Very app has to interpret the raw. It's nature of RAW files. C1 does the same. There are some differences in the way they start out. One is not right or wrong. They are RAW files and they don't have a baseline like people think. The raw engine interprets them. It's usually a small difference but from certain camera it's more. C1 is not ding better, just different and you may happen to like it's base better on your camera but the processing is not better. Believe me I've tested this more than almost anyone in the industry. If you use C1 for awhile you will see it lacks in many areas that LR excels at. pros and cons. Use what you like best.
Your very last closing comment is so pertinent : about C1 being arrogant and not as accessible. Indeed ... I switched to C1 in 2017 when I bought my first Fuji camera (and love the results). I must say I *do* enjoy editing in Capture One but their pricing model and 'bang for buck' might need adjusting
switching going back to lightroom- from using 3 years of C.One- my new camera sony a7r5 RAW files are not supported by capture one perpetual license -I have had no customer suport from CO
I am c1 user for 4 years but spending every update is around $200. So I moved back to LR and it has more features than c1. C1 is lacking innovation and became legacy software
Great video, Gavin, and your products are fantastic. I am a fuji user who switched to c1 from LR a few years back because of the alleged worms issue. I would love to switch back to LR. Do you have any advice on what the settings should be (noise reduction, etc) to approximate a c1 raw conversion in LR? I also hear that some people have good experiences using x-transformer. I’m already paying for photoshop and have access to LR, so why keep paying extra for C1 if I don’t have to, especially since LR has so many advantages now?
Good question. Since people are saying I'm full of BS about this despite having shown the results I think a video about how to handle noise on these files is in order. Maybe I'll even make a special NR preset or this. Stay tuned and I'll try and do another video on this issue.
I’d appreciate that. I too used to be concerned about Fuji worms but I see a lot of pros, like yourself, who don’t seem to be bothered by the alleged issue in LR and get by just fine.
Worms are a marketing for C1 and it's fan. You can only be a true Fuji user with C1, etc. While it may have been partly true at some pointy, it's pretty much nonsense to justify a higher pride now. Some people love C1 and that's totally cool. Let's just be honest I say and not pretend it's any more than a preference,
@@Seimstudios I notice them with foliage in lr. Somehow detailed foliage looks much better to me in c1. Using enhanced details in lr solves the problem but is an extra step and huge files.
@@rjbiii You won't get a reply to that one RJB, he goes quiet as soon as anyone mentions foliage. I can guarantee you it's still a problem for lightroom, worms are no longer really an issue with the newer x-trans sensors and the newer versions of lightroom. But foliage and other fine details in landscapes (grass etc) looks like it's been painted.Not an issue for portraits, still life, events, street etc
Thanks for this. My main frustration with Lightroom Classic is tethering unreliability for my Canon series cameras- therefore the inquiry into Capture One functionality. Is there any hope for this getting better? I really do not want to give up AI mask capability in Lightroom.
i did the same thing, same Fuji file in LR and C1, and in C1 even with Noise reduction on 0 and sharpening on FULL, different radius settings... and didnt get the worm effect, on LR, as soon as i leave the standard value it shoes! on C1 the only thing i got was the Halo effect that is normal on over sharpened images. Another point is that you are simply assuming that sliders with same name work the same way in different softwares... not considering the way both programs map highlights, shadows and stuff... if you want to reach the EXACT same result in both programs you cant expect to use the exact same sliders about the exact same way and "boom" its done. that said, for me is way easier to get a really good result on Fuji files on C1
I don't assume that. I make very clear in my tests that sliders vary between the apps. I'm not really sure what you getting at but what is clear in 2023 is that C1 does not really edit Fuji files better. If you feel better in C1 for you that's cool. But that doe snot make itv a better app, it's just what you prefer. On the data, LR wins hands down this year but they are both good apps and you should use what you like.
Great video! I think there is some marketing strategy behind the 2 products and I truly believe that capture one is better for product photography or in studio type of photography, due to the free included tethering feature and the ability to share and collaborate online. However, with the new ai masks and the new ai denoise features, lightroom destroys capture one (and topaz) in any non-controlled scenarios, such as wildlife photography.
@@Seimstudios not entirely true. The tethering is there, but you have to buy your camera drivers. fuji is recognized in capture one but not in lightroom. You d need to buy the drivers.
I'm thinking about going back to LR but what's been holding me back is that I've purchased presets that are somewhat expensive and I really don't want to have to purchase them again for LR, is there anyway I can avoid this and bring my presets to LR?
If you use my presets it's no problem, I include the LR and C1 version in all current packs at no extra cost. Revering from other companies that don't include both could be harder.
I don't hate C1 at all and use both all the time making myself one of the least biased reviewers I know on t these two. I think anyone that watched my C1 reviews over the years knows I'm not biased. C1 is sinking their own ship, no one else.
I would’ve loved to see an edit without presets applied. Just default settings for the profile they gave, or click on linear profile and compared the 2. Everyone’s presets are gonna be different. It’s like buying chicken noodle soup from the store. Campbell’s is gonna be saltier than Progresso.
Pretty much every photo in this video starts from default. Presets are just an apps develop settings and represent how it will actually respond in edits.
Nice video, for me Lightroom is all about AI, despite it's awful RAM management in Windows. I've always used C1 but i hate it when it comes to specific edits (masking the subject, only the sky, only the jacket, etc. or working along with photoshop). It's an amazing software and has its pros, but people need to make the choice based on their workflow. It's a shame that i can't take all the edits done to my .RAF in Capture One to Lightroom, but your video and this one ruclips.net/video/I7BeGncr7w8/видео.html made my choice ;) Thanks
Most people really don't get c1. If you do advertising or fashion, you would never come to the idea of using Lightroom. The ipad app has a total different use case. You are on location, 1,2,3 or 5 people are there from the client, the agency booked you whatever ... they get an iPad while shooting and giving photos an "ok" while you're shooting. This is the common use case. There is also nothing else used than apple. It is just the industry. Also you might get an idea why the price really don't matter.
That's really not the industry. More and more pros are leaving capture one because they charge more for less. That's the industry regardless of what Phase One and snobby "fashion photographers" pretends. These categories really mean nothing to the pro market.
@@Seimstudios sorry, LR still is far from being an option for any fashion, advertising or just let say a professional who has to work in a team. There are so many things missing, people who never had this experience ever need. And this is totally ok. Also, the color profiles for most cameras in adobe are just not usable for colour dependent work. Even if you use something like a color checker before shooting a scene ... it is just pain. And just to make it clear. I was using Lr since the beginning, I hated C1 the first years when I had to use it with digital backs...
@@TasteofTaboo I've been in this business longer than most and I've learned when something is based on facts the data is clear. When its a company trying to create a vibe it's also clear. This vibe maybe comes from the marketing that most fashion photographer are using Phase One cameras. They are not. I've seen more people leaving capture one in the past year than ever. It's color profiles/ noise and process is beating C1 in nearly every yest now and if the snobby fashion world has not started witching they will unless C1 picks up the ball. LR at this point lacks only in tethering from what I can find in my tests. Thanks for your thoughts. Though I have to disagree.
Impractical. First They are moving away from perpetual licensing to subscription. I have a subscription, and the sale periods doesn’t align with everyone’s renewal month , especially if it was a special sale originally when they first subscribed. And the sales are for the first year. And it was never 30-50% and never for a perpetual license so you can’t really get one and keep it 50% off and 5 years without upgrading. The OS updates causes other problems with a 3-5 years version.
LR plus PS is only $10 per month. So unless its way way better , no reason for me to switch. I have not had the instability issue but yes PS crashes every 300 photos or so but I have so many plugins and extensions so cant blame PS only.
No, you actually can. Have an absolutely clean copy of Photoshop, latest version, on a new M3 max MacBook Pro, no plugins, etc, it still crashes like crazy. Adobe are shit at being stable. But have good features
LRC is trash! It always crashes in the middle of working. It wasn’t like that 3 months ago. I have to use LR then bounce to LRC. I’m may have to learn cap1.
nice comparison and although I'm new to C1 on the tutorials capture one do they explain the sliders don't do exactly the same thing as LR, the highlights and brightness combo do a better job than just LR, and its highlights that just does a blanket job across the whole image, shadows and blacks as well work different in combo in C1. been using LR since its inception but now I'm dabbling with a sony to fuji switch I'm looking at other options. Both have a lot to like, C1 though has more to dislike but overall I do find a better image output if just using a raw processor and not trying to replace PS... in your comparison image of the women, the LR was way overprocessed even though just trying to show what can do, anything but the film like looks you set out to do, C1 was far more faithful to this.
Good thoughts. I have years experaince on both and one set of sliders is not really "better" than the others. Anything I can do in C1 can be done in LR with equal quality at this point from what I am finding in my tests like this video. Yes highlights and shadows for example are different. But C1 is not better. Though in the end it's personal preference.
That's a nice thought for those who like to feel important. But as this demonstrated, LR can do more as of today. Lets hope C1 catches up and keeps the competition going.
Dude, you are putting out NONSENSE. The wormy files in LR have been SHOWN BY SAMPLE PHOTOS, OH, HUNDREDS OF TIMES and Capure one is nowhere near as bad. This has been demonstrated OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!. Come to the DPR Fuji forum and CLAIM that there is no difference between Capture One and LR deconvolution on RAF files and you will get made a fool of. I have seen others come there and attempt to say it is just the default noise reduction or this and that and they have been BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER with gobs of samples and it cannot be denied. NO WAY LR would actually FIX the worminess and NOT TELL FUJI USERS, that would be completely stupid. They have touted their details thing when they caame out with it. So you claiming that they fixed this and just ho hum, din't say anything is nonsense. So, bring your samples and come to dpr Fuji forum and CLAIM that there is now NO DIFFERENCE between the two other that default noise setting (Which has been claimed before and defeated) and let's see what you got. Claiming that Adobe deconvolution problems in LR are some kind of myth is LAUGHABLE, no it isn't and it has been shown so many times in the forums. You use LR andf you are attempting to act like there is no problem. So bring it on, bring your evidence and show everyone on the forum that the only difference is default Noise reduction. You will be made a fool of and be laughed out of there with plenty of evidence.
Sorry you're offended. But what you're saying is shown wrong in each test demonstrated on my channel in various videos. I dont ask third parties for my tests. I do the tests. This video showed that with shadow noise Lightroom was substantially better and the worms are about equal in both. I've done various videos demonstrating the same thing. I know how to use both well and that helps. People are being told C1 is better for fuji files and as such not learning how handle them in LR. While is may have been true in the past, its no longer a real issue. Lightroom handles Fuji files as least equally C1 in 2023/
Well it's true C1 is better on default setting imported, that is because sharpening and noise reduction has been set by default. What the video shows is that given the correct sharpening and noise reduction in LR, you can have the same wormfree output. Now, which is better comes to personal preference.
This will be a pull no punches review and I put more image examples on the blog post... seimeffects.com/2023/01/30/lightroom-vs-capture-one-in-2023/
I am a C1 user for many years and was disappointed they recently they announced and kind of forcing us to move to subscription module. The only reason I switched from LR to C1 was to avoid the subscription module. Your video is excellent and have made my decision to move back to LR easy. Thank you for the great unbias video and really appreciate for putting something like this.
This is a great review and mirrors much of my own thinking. I've used Lightroom for years now and have frankly grown tired of it's instability, inconsistency with cloud sync, lack of parity between LRC and LRCC, and slowness. I have over 6TB of files, LR only allows up to 1TB for cloud sync, so I have a complicated workflow of starting imports in LRCC then archiving to LRC. However LRC does not play well syncing originals from LRCC. I've been trying to import 6TB of files into C1 and well it's been a week and previews are still building. That said the AI masking in LR is light years ahead of C1, and when it works, the fact that I can edit on my iPad, and those edits are synced to my desktop and laptop is amazing. C1 has built-in Leica profiles that I thought were better than LR, until I realized the sharpness and noise reduction were turned up, and I can get the same look from LR by doing the same. I do like the flexibility of the color editing, but I can still get the same final result in LR. I think much of the mindshare around C1 is due to Capture One sponsoring RUclipsrs. LRC has had tethering for many years and it works fine. C1 has advantages in wireless tethering and crating separate "sessions", but I wouldn't say the actual process is night and day from LRC. End the end, I'll probably just stay with LR as it's overall advantages in 2023 outweigh the few that C1 has.
There is a pretty easy Answers to all this! People see Color, Contrast and artifacts differently Some see it more than others!
Then If There is no Problem at all with the demosaicing process (Adaptive Homogeneity-Directed (AHD) ) in Lightroom (I don't know that C1 is using),
For FujiFilm camera and Sony Camers then they would never Develop the "Enhance Details" for demosaicing process If everything was fine. .. But you can set the "Details" slider in the sharpenig Tab to "0" and you will get less artifacts in most Raw files. sharaping has always been bad in LR/ACR i Feel like. i Use Both C1 an LR.. GREAT VIDEO BTW! 👍🤓
The recent subscription changes are crazy, but of all the arguments, I don't think the price is a big factor - they are both expensive products anyway - I've used the same version of Capture One for years and only had to upgrade when I switched to an M1 Mac, and I suspect what most people will do is to buy once and then update when they need, so the only real difference is if one really needs the latest updates all the time or not. I suppose Adobe doesn't roll out new features every month so I think the most interesting question is what gives you the best quality given your workflow, i.e. if you need the super advanced colour editing of Capture One and use Affinity for editing, or if you are happier with the Adobe ecosystem.
you have to upgrade capture one the moment fuji xt6 or a new lens pops on the market which is retarded + LR and PS subscription is at least twice as cheap as capture one.
i dont know what the fuck fuji are smoking to promote this overpriced crap
As a pirated photoshop user i feel supremacy now
Maybe it's just me, but I find Capture One Express (completely free) does a WAY better job of matching the Fuji film simulations. You can compare a JPEG from the camera to a C1 RAW file and a Lightroom RAW file (both using the same Fuji profile), and the C1 RAW will be far closer. It gives a much better starting point similar to what you saw on the back of the camera.
Capture One also recovers highlights better for me and skin tones have a more pleasing pop. Perhaps it's possible to achieve similar results in Lightroom but it seems to require infinitely more fussing around (and this is coming from someone that has used Lightroom for a decade before trying C1).
Interesting. Should be the same engine. Neither do a perfect job of matching sims in LR or C1. I don't use the RAw sims anyways as I can get better results with presets and styles.
If you own a Fuji XH2 or XT5 with that new 40mp sensor, Capture One is way better at RAW processing. Don't know why, but it is. I've done the testing. Way more detail in finished jpeg. However, with the 26mp sensors from Fuji, they aren't that discernible from LrC jpegs. Weird.
I have also testes the new XT5 RAw files and C1 did not come out better. Sounds like you hit a anomoly. But I plan to to a new test video on this soon.
Eh, fanboys? I have been testing both Lightroom and C1 for my canon and fuji raw files, and C1 delivered significantly better files. Thats just it, there's a ton of side by side comparisons online... its not like its not demonstrable. And since you called a segment of the people watching your video as fanboys, I don't believe your judgement is clear in this comparison either@@Seimstudios
@@Seimstudiosyou are lying it’s super different and I’m an amuteur
thx for giving the conclusion first🙏
Glad it was helpful
Thanks , i start use LR for while and i like it, i thought about C1 after adobe last update agreement that breach privacy, but after seeing your video and other videos about LR alternative , each app have its pros and cons and since adobe is more cheaper and i get used to work with it , i decide to stuck with it
I bought C1 21 on a perpetual license to avoid the subscription scam of LR. Then they went all in on the subscription scene, but in a dishonest way. They not only ceased offering updates to perpetual licensees, but they made it so that it will not work on any Mac updates. So my C1 no longer works at all. I’m going to LR.
I switched from LR about three years ago, due to the import module and the library organization. At that time, it was a pain to import and separate the files in LR. And in my workflow, where I need to tag, filter and separate the image of several subjects of each session, it would cost me a lot of time. When I first used C1 it was like a breeze to do that. Its module has been updated and, besides not knowing how's in LR, I think that it's almost impossible to beat C1 in this matter. I loved the addition that Adobe put on the masking using AI. And the would be the only thing that still makes me think about turning back to LR, but the library, for now, it's more important to me.
That's interesting I din the C1 library much more dated. You could not even synchronize folders still about a year ago. But I say use what works for you.
Now you can synchronize and much more. I love the speed to import images, the way C1 group photos when importing, the new addition to automatically zoom to faces and so on. But, as you said, we should use what fits better to our needs.
I was very disappointed with C1’s lack of masking innovation in this latest release. I was anticipating something bigger than styles and smart adjustments.
Honesty I was too. It's like they thought they could fake us my pretending some small features was smart without actually making anything that was smart,
Appreciate your preface conclusion on the merits of both these apps.
I’m a long term C1 user but rather disgusted by their licensing approach since I tried to update a minor patch and they wanted more :(
So keen to try lightroom and this is encouraging.
Many thanks 🙏
Ya basically they are subscription only since since you are punished in the extreme for buying perpetual. At that point might as well get LR and PS since they are ahead of the game in every way.
My only problem with Lr& & Adobe in general: without the competition from ON1, DxO, CO1... where would Lr and PS be, what pace their development speed, what costumer satisfaction road, what price?.... just my 2 cents.
Agreed, we need the competition . I just wish the competition would see the opportunity and stop acting so stupid so they can actually complete.
@@Seimstudios Adobe is many times the size of Capture One. They can throw teams of people at LR features that are probably larger than the entire dev team for C1. IDK that the competition is stupid as much as outweighed. That said LRC is a bloated mess that they keep bolting features on to, but they haven't built LRCC to have parity in many basic features yet so LRC still lives. Adobe's AI advantages will be hard for smaller competition to match up with.
Capture One focuses on quality. The rendering, output and dedicated camera brand profiles are second to none. Lightroom is a more generic value proposition.
That's actually a myth that may have been true years ago but no longer. In every test I've done. LR produces equal results and on things like noise is probably better, even on Fuji files. But in teh end use what feels best for you I always say.
Why You didn't mention a word, about C1 one of best features, which is: linear response film curve (where You have access to all DR from Your sensor), and luma curve??
Oh, and I forget to put "levels" to the lost of the best features in C1
Both C1 and LR have a basline curve that looks about the came. Curves are generally more useful I would argue. But yes it's great that C1 has levels. C1 has some things LR does not and LR has even more things C1 does not. Both process with the same quality. In the end use what you like.
Thank you so much….I just bought the new Fuji xh2 and already have a Lightroom/photoshop subscription(the $10/month which is a bargain) thinking I was gonna have to buy another program just to process my raw files after watching so many RUclipsrs saying Lightroom was terrible for Fuji.
Great. Ya theres so much C1 fanboy myth that does not hold up in real tests
Pretty sure LR doesn't use Raw.. files it converts them into something else and changes the photos and colors, highlights seems to be more shadows etc.. Ive used LR for years and just recently tried C1 and 100% the C1 the photos are much more close to what i shot in camera then LR skintones. Without a doubt far better. It seems to take less for me to get a photo exactly where i want it to be before i take it to photoshop. Don't get me wrong ive made some awesome work with LR and will still use it but, not for studio work. There is a reason why the top pros use C1 and i see why now..
LR def used RAW filed. Not sure what cameras you have but no C1 does not render far better and top pros use both. It's just a tool. Both read RAW files in the same way, though they may interpret them a but differently. This will vary by camera. If the end however choose what you like best.
LR in general has more power than C1 in 2024 because of it's ai selection and noise tools. But in general you will get equal results with C1.
You should look it up lr changes from raw to thier own version. I shoot canon and I can see a huge difference in the way the photos are read by each program. The skin tones are clearly different under studio lighting I use profoto b10. I get the ai shortcuts are great, but that wasn't what I was talking about I use both was just saying there is a significant difference in the way they start off to be edited. They both seem to have great things I will use them both. Just was a bit surprised that they seemed so different. Because I have used lightroom for so long it will be hard to leave fully of coarse.
@@PMP77Yes I know. Very app has to interpret the raw. It's nature of RAW files. C1 does the same. There are some differences in the way they start out. One is not right or wrong. They are RAW files and they don't have a baseline like people think. The raw engine interprets them. It's usually a small difference but from certain camera it's more.
C1 is not ding better, just different and you may happen to like it's base better on your camera but the processing is not better. Believe me I've tested this more than almost anyone in the industry.
If you use C1 for awhile you will see it lacks in many areas that LR excels at. pros and cons. Use what you like best.
Your very last closing comment is so pertinent : about C1 being arrogant and not as accessible. Indeed ... I switched to C1 in 2017 when I bought my first Fuji camera (and love the results). I must say I *do* enjoy editing in Capture One but their pricing model and 'bang for buck' might need adjusting
Indeed. Thanks for making it to the end.
switching going back to lightroom- from using 3 years of C.One- my new camera sony a7r5 RAW files are not supported by capture one perpetual license -I have had no customer suport from CO
And you won't The only people that matter to them are those who pay monthly and even then it's unsure.
I don’t know about Fuji, I never had it, but for Nikon, C1 gives better demosaic, color, and in general shows raw better than LR.
They say that about Fuji also but it's a myth mostly and is not better in any test I've conducted.
I am c1 user for 4 years but spending every update is around $200. So I moved back to LR and it has more features than c1. C1 is lacking innovation and became legacy software
Cool review Gavin.
Thanks
Great video, Gavin, and your products are fantastic. I am a fuji user who switched to c1 from LR a few years back because of the alleged worms issue. I would love to switch back to LR. Do you have any advice on what the settings should be (noise reduction, etc) to approximate a c1 raw conversion in LR? I also hear that some people have good experiences using x-transformer. I’m already paying for photoshop and have access to LR, so why keep paying extra for C1 if I don’t have to, especially since LR has so many advantages now?
Good question. Since people are saying I'm full of BS about this despite having shown the results I think a video about how to handle noise on these files is in order. Maybe I'll even make a special NR preset or this. Stay tuned and I'll try and do another video on this issue.
I’d appreciate that. I too used to be concerned about Fuji worms but I see a lot of pros, like yourself, who don’t seem to be bothered by the alleged issue in LR and get by just fine.
Worms are a marketing for C1 and it's fan. You can only be a true Fuji user with C1, etc. While it may have been partly true at some pointy, it's pretty much nonsense to justify a higher pride now.
Some people love C1 and that's totally cool. Let's just be honest I say and not pretend it's any more than a preference,
@@Seimstudios I notice them with foliage in lr. Somehow detailed foliage looks much better to me in c1. Using enhanced details in lr solves the problem but is an extra step and huge files.
@@rjbiii You won't get a reply to that one RJB, he goes quiet as soon as anyone mentions foliage. I can guarantee you it's still a problem for lightroom, worms are no longer really an issue with the newer x-trans sensors and the newer versions of lightroom. But foliage and other fine details in landscapes (grass etc) looks like it's been painted.Not an issue for portraits, still life, events, street etc
Thanks for this. My main frustration with Lightroom Classic is tethering unreliability for my Canon series cameras- therefore the inquiry into Capture One functionality. Is there any hope for this getting better? I really do not want to give up AI mask capability in Lightroom.
I was not aware there were tethering problems on Canon. What camera?
When I updated to mirrorless my tether problems stopped. With my DSLR it was trash and embarrassing with clients.
i did the same thing, same Fuji file in LR and C1, and in C1 even with Noise reduction on 0 and sharpening on FULL, different radius settings... and didnt get the worm effect, on LR, as soon as i leave the standard value it shoes! on C1 the only thing i got was the Halo effect that is normal on over sharpened images. Another point is that you are simply assuming that sliders with same name work the same way in different softwares... not considering the way both programs map highlights, shadows and stuff... if you want to reach the EXACT same result in both programs you cant expect to use the exact same sliders about the exact same way and "boom" its done. that said, for me is way easier to get a really good result on Fuji files on C1
I don't assume that. I make very clear in my tests that sliders vary between the apps. I'm not really sure what you getting at but what is clear in 2023 is that C1 does not really edit Fuji files better. If you feel better in C1 for you that's cool. But that doe snot make itv a better app, it's just what you prefer. On the data, LR wins hands down this year but they are both good apps and you should use what you like.
Great video! I think there is some marketing strategy behind the 2 products and I truly believe that capture one is better for product photography or in studio type of photography, due to the free included tethering feature and the ability to share and collaborate online. However, with the new ai masks and the new ai denoise features, lightroom destroys capture one (and topaz) in any non-controlled scenarios, such as wildlife photography.
They both have free included tethering though.
@@Seimstudios not entirely true. The tethering is there, but you have to buy your camera drivers. fuji is recognized in capture one but not in lightroom. You d need to buy the drivers.
I'm thinking about going back to LR but what's been holding me back is that I've purchased presets that are somewhat expensive and I really don't want to have to purchase them again for LR, is there anyway I can avoid this and bring my presets to LR?
If you use my presets it's no problem, I include the LR and C1 version in all current packs at no extra cost. Revering from other companies that don't include both could be harder.
I have been capture one fire a few years now. But the AI masking tool is so tempting, would it be worth it to learn new flow again.
It's a pretty easy switch
You’re very biased. Is it just the pricing model that made you hate C1 or is it something else? 🤔
I don't hate C1 at all and use both all the time making myself one of the least biased reviewers I know on t these two. I think anyone that watched my C1 reviews over the years knows I'm not biased. C1 is sinking their own ship, no one else.
I would’ve loved to see an edit without presets applied. Just default settings for the profile they gave, or click on linear profile and compared the 2. Everyone’s presets are gonna be different.
It’s like buying chicken noodle soup from the store. Campbell’s is gonna be saltier than Progresso.
Pretty much every photo in this video starts from default. Presets are just an apps develop settings and represent how it will actually respond in edits.
Nice video, for me Lightroom is all about AI, despite it's awful RAM management in Windows. I've always used C1 but i hate it when it comes to specific edits (masking the subject, only the sky, only the jacket, etc. or working along with photoshop). It's an amazing software and has its pros, but people need to make the choice based on their workflow.
It's a shame that i can't take all the edits done to my .RAF in Capture One to Lightroom, but your video and this one ruclips.net/video/I7BeGncr7w8/видео.html made my choice ;)
Thanks
Most people really don't get c1. If you do advertising or fashion, you would never come to the idea of using Lightroom.
The ipad app has a total different use case. You are on location, 1,2,3 or 5 people are there from the client, the agency booked you whatever ... they get an iPad while shooting and giving photos an "ok" while you're shooting. This is the common use case. There is also nothing else used than apple. It is just the industry. Also you might get an idea why the price really don't matter.
That's really not the industry. More and more pros are leaving capture one because they charge more for less. That's the industry regardless of what Phase One and snobby "fashion photographers" pretends. These categories really mean nothing to the pro market.
@@Seimstudios sorry, LR still is far from being an option for any fashion, advertising or just let say a professional who has to work in a team. There are so many things missing, people who never had this experience ever need. And this is totally ok.
Also, the color profiles for most cameras in adobe are just not usable for colour dependent work. Even if you use something like a color checker before shooting a scene ... it is just pain. And just to make it clear. I was using Lr since the beginning, I hated C1 the first years when I had to use it with digital backs...
@@TasteofTaboo I've been in this business longer than most and I've learned when something is based on facts the data is clear. When its a company trying to create a vibe it's also clear. This vibe maybe comes from the marketing that most fashion photographer are using Phase One cameras. They are not.
I've seen more people leaving capture one in the past year than ever. It's color profiles/ noise and process is beating C1 in nearly every yest now and if the snobby fashion world has not started witching they will unless C1 picks up the ball. LR at this point lacks only in tethering from what I can find in my tests.
Thanks for your thoughts. Though I have to disagree.
@@Seimstudioslol don't care how many years you claim you are clearly clueless about this topic
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Regarding price, Capture One has sales, so I’ve never actually paid full price.
The problem is even if you encounter a sale LR+PS is still way cheaper.
@@Seimstudios If I buy Capture One on sale for 30-50% off and don't upgrade for 5 years, I've come out ahead.
Impractical.
First They are moving away from perpetual licensing to subscription. I have a subscription, and the sale periods doesn’t align with everyone’s renewal month , especially if it was a special sale originally when they first subscribed.
And the sales are for the first year.
And it was never 30-50% and never for a perpetual license so you can’t really get one and keep it 50% off and 5 years without upgrading. The OS updates causes other problems with a 3-5 years version.
Feels like a lot of presets advertisements
Yes, shame on me for giving away free presets, knowing people will like and but my other packs and trying to get paid for my work ;)
LR plus PS is only $10 per month. So unless its way way better , no reason for me to switch. I have not had the instability issue but yes PS crashes every 300 photos or so but I have so many plugins and extensions so cant blame PS only.
No, you actually can. Have an absolutely clean copy of Photoshop, latest version, on a new M3 max MacBook Pro, no plugins, etc, it still crashes like crazy. Adobe are shit at being stable. But have good features
LRC is trash! It always crashes in the middle of working. It wasn’t like that 3 months ago. I have to use LR then bounce to LRC. I’m may have to learn cap1.
I've not seem much crashing lately. But I know it can be cranky.
nice comparison and although I'm new to C1 on the tutorials capture one do they explain the sliders don't do exactly the same thing as LR, the highlights and brightness combo do a better job than just LR, and its highlights that just does a blanket job across the whole image, shadows and blacks as well work different in combo in C1. been using LR since its inception but now I'm dabbling with a sony to fuji switch I'm looking at other options. Both have a lot to like, C1 though has more to dislike but overall I do find a better image output if just using a raw processor and not trying to replace PS... in your comparison image of the women, the LR was way overprocessed even though just trying to show what can do, anything but the film like looks you set out to do, C1 was far more faithful to this.
Good thoughts.
I have years experaince on both and one set of sliders is not really "better" than the others. Anything I can do in C1 can be done in LR with equal quality at this point from what I am finding in my tests like this video. Yes highlights and shadows for example are different. But C1 is not better. Though in the end it's personal preference.
Lightroom classic doesn’t work for me and my Nikon so I won’t work with Lightroom
Tethering meant to say
Must be a specific issue because LR tethers Nikon.
Now LR seems software for kids (used LR for 10000 years). Using C1 means you know what you are doing.
That's a nice thought for those who like to feel important. But as this demonstrated, LR can do more as of today. Lets hope C1 catches up and keeps the competition going.
I suggest you check these worms in the picture in the landscape ...
I have, same result. Non issue in 2023. If anything LR does better.
@@Seimstudios No :) The worms are still there of course LR has great masks but the C1 has no worms and halo in the pictures
I'm paying $100 wow
Not anymore. They also did away with thise discount versions
@@GavinSeimNo they did not. My subscription was just renewed at €109 and will renew again for that amount.
That's great as long as it lasts. But it has no relation to the real price for new users and you're still paying about the same as LR and PS combined.
You hand movements distract a lot of what you say. It is just too much. 😊
What a strange thing to comment on in a software review. But thanks, I guess ;)
Dude, you are putting out NONSENSE. The wormy files in LR have been SHOWN BY SAMPLE PHOTOS, OH, HUNDREDS OF TIMES and Capure one is nowhere near as bad. This has been demonstrated OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!. Come to the DPR Fuji forum and CLAIM that there is no difference between Capture One and LR deconvolution on RAF files and you will get made a fool of. I have seen others come there and attempt to say it is just the default noise reduction or this and that and they have been BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER with gobs of samples and it cannot be denied. NO WAY LR would actually FIX the worminess and NOT TELL FUJI USERS, that would be completely stupid. They have touted their details thing when they caame out with it. So you claiming that they fixed this and just ho hum, din't say anything is nonsense.
So, bring your samples and come to dpr Fuji forum and CLAIM that there is now NO DIFFERENCE between the two other that default noise setting (Which has been claimed before and defeated) and let's see what you got. Claiming that Adobe deconvolution problems in LR are some kind of myth is LAUGHABLE, no it isn't and it has been shown so many times in the forums. You use LR andf you are attempting to act like there is no problem. So bring it on, bring your evidence and show everyone on the forum that the only difference is default Noise reduction. You will be made a fool of and be laughed out of there with plenty of evidence.
Sorry you're offended. But what you're saying is shown wrong in each test demonstrated on my channel in various videos. I dont ask third parties for my tests. I do the tests.
This video showed that with shadow noise Lightroom was substantially better and the worms are about equal in both. I've done various videos demonstrating the same thing.
I know how to use both well and that helps. People are being told C1 is better for fuji files and as such not learning how handle them in LR. While is may have been true in the past, its no longer a real issue. Lightroom handles Fuji files as least equally C1 in 2023/
Don’t you hate it when the KEYBOARD GETS stuck on CAPS lock All THE time?
Well it's true C1 is better on default setting imported, that is because sharpening and noise reduction has been set by default. What the video shows is that given the correct sharpening and noise reduction in LR, you can have the same wormfree output. Now, which is better comes to personal preference.