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Mississippi Burning - Why do people hate?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2021
- In this clip from Mississippi Burning (Parker, 1988) Agent Anderson tells a story about his father's racism, that gives some insight into why people hate.
With an old man who was just so full of hate that he didn't know being poor was what was killing him. Powerful.
And it is still true. If only poor people would realize they have more in common with other poor people (no matter what their racial background is), there would be some serious rearranging going on in our society.
@@txbluesguy
That’s what those in power DON’T want.
Poor whites & Poor blacks getting together and getting something done.
Ralphie May (RIP) said similar in his stand up act.
The difference is that because of systemic racism, Monroe didn't have any recourse to stop that man's daddy from killing his mule. Racism isn't about hate as much as it is power to act with impunity against that man.
@@Ryooken racists rely on cowardice and preservation of the status quo.
This scene always stuck with me. The movie itself was very good but it was punctuated by scenes like this that really go to the next level.
I agree. What I found particularly interesting about it is Gene Hackman’s character was using this story and other stories he told during the film to try to explain to Willem Dafoe the nature of the hate in the south and Dafoe kept missing the point.
Such great acting performances here from Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe. The contrast between their two characters and their different understanding of the situation at hand is really the very core of this great film.
Word. They're two of my all-time favourite actors, and this movie is a big reason why.
Agreed!
“Just a little luckier than my daddy was.”
That’s where 90% of hate comes from I think.
True.
Deeper tho, you could say it was the feeling of shame & envy. The deadly sin we know to avoid but some are too ignorant resist. ❤
Hate is a Human emotion, might as well ask where love comes from.
@@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf If love can be defined as desiring what is good for another, then hate can be defined as desiring what is harmful of another. Both are a consequence of our perception of ourselves and others. I hold my hate at bay by telling myself that I am the same as everyone else. I say prayers of and for humility. If I am no better than others and I don't want to be better than others then I am incapable of hate. Easier said than done, but that's the idea.n
Or maybe Monroe worked harder, didn't spend time drinking (ok, assumed) & stewing on how someone else's success is the reason he's not a rich man. Punching down because he's too cowardly to challenge those above. Feeling like a victim & therefore self-entitled to commit a crime to salve his po hurt feefees. Men like his daddy aren't real men. They're a waste of life-force, no more substantial than a fart in the wind.
Agreed!
This is still one of my favourite movies of all time. It's a difficult watch but the story and the performances are so powerful.
Brilliant actor. He should have a shelf full of Oscars.
Well, he does have 2.
@@bobthebear1246 It's a short shelf.
He tried to kill Superman
@@condor.67 😂
This is one of the first movies I saw when I was young that really hit me hard in the gut, and stuck with. It's been almost 40 years since I first saw it, and I have re-watched it several times since. It still hits me hard everytime.
This movie is truly a masterpiece. Powerful story, and an absolutely outstanding cast.
The hairdresser said it best: “Hatred isn’t something you’re born with….it gets taught!!!”
Hate is Taught
You are Not Born to Hate
Taught yes but very susceptible to its teachings, almost as though there is an instinct in us ready to accept it.
We're just primates, ultimately. If we can get away from this ridiculous idea that we are special because of "gods", that would be a start....
@@qasimmir7117That susceptibility comes from the innate love in us being killed off at an early age by society.
We are born to be loyal to the tribe. It’s instinctual. Look at all the Asian groups that hate each other. Hispanic groups - Mexicans hate el salvadorians. Cubans hate Mexicans. Of course I’m generalizing. But everyone wants to believe they are better than X group. I’m half Hispanic and always had white friends and hung out with white groups. Yet every single one of them made me feel like I was outside their circle. They made short jokes. They made Hispanic jokes. They often ignored me or did things without me. At a primal level, white people think they are better than everyone else. My dad practiced this too. Anything not pure American, he just used to get so angry. Which is crazy considering his son and wife were not white.
@@shriharihudli
Yes, correct. We may have such instincts, but that doesn’t mean we should always use them or nurture them.
One of the best-written scenes in the film.
Gene Hackman is the real deal. I never saw what the fuss was about with the French Connection, but in this and Unforgiven, he shows his true class as a truly brilliant actor.
I totally agree - especially about the part with "Frech Connection"
The French Connection wasn't a bad film, but I agree I didn't see what was so special about it that it warranted winning Best Picture. A Clockwork Orange should have won, hands down IMO.
Hackman's really great in this. Mississippi Burning, Unforgiven and The Conversation are my favorites of his.
The film made NYC another character. People love the gritty shots of the streets of NYC. Also, the film showed cops and how they really talked about people. The cops were the have nots in this picture.
He was also very good in "Hoosiers".
The French Connection was awesome ok... In Mississippi Burning he doesnt feel guilty cause he is white ...either do I ok....
All boils down to one word. Jealousy. Jealous of what others have worked twice as hard for. Jealous that someone they see as being beneath them are getting ahead. Jealous that 'them' over there are doing better. All while failing to realize that, 'them' over there, worked twice to three times as hard, day in, day out. That's how 'them' over there got ahead.
My family came to America following WW2, being liberated from the camps. Settled in Missouri. I heard this stuff all growing up in the 60s. It was bad too. Following LBJ signing civil rights into law. Many a white families forbid their kids to even talk to someone not white. I'v seen what this scene depicts. Lived it. Couldn't take it. Left home when I was 15. The day I turned 17 I walked into a United States Navy recruiter, and I'v never been home since.
Hatred begets more hatred. Nothing good will ever come from it. This scene captures that perfectly.
I prefer to use that it comes down to two terms together: envy and resentment --- seen it my entire life.
@@steves3422 Whether it's envy, resentment, jealousy, or the shape of someone's eyes and the color of their skin... it all leads to anger, hatred and bigotry.
@@steves3422 Insecurity seems to be the root cause.
@@steves3422
Envy = a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another.
Jealousy = resentment against a rival, a person enjoying success or advantage, etc., or against another's success or advantage itself.
Honestly they both sound much the same. Group 'A' see's Group 'B' with something. Can't stand it. Can't accept it. Group 'A' feels that what Group 'B' has, should really belong to Group 'A'.
I used jealousy because it was the easiest way to express what I seen from neighbors growing up in the 1960's in Missouri.
Call it envy, call it jealousy. Either way it's the same. Someone has something that someone else believes should really be theirs.
All boils down to small minded thinking. Small minded attitudes. People wanting something, they didn't earn.
As in the scene here. The man's father was jealous of another man, because the other man worked twice as hard, earned something for his work. The man's father couldn't take it. He thought he was special. That he deserved more.
And the other man had it, not seeing that the other man earned it. So the man's father decided to take something from the other man. Thinking it would make him better. But the man's father noticed his son, and knew what he did.
All my life I'v seen that attitude. Men not able to handle women in the same line of work, getting ahead. Earning respect. Respect the men thought should have rightly been theirs.
I'v seen it up close and personal. Jealousy or envy, drives people to do things. All because they thought just because of who they were, they should have more. Just because. Jealousy & Envy are from the darker side of peoples being.
Jealousy which was carefully cultivated and used to manipulate people and turn people against each other.
Many years ago when there was yet another conflict in the middle east, I asked an older man I worked with what is up with that part of the world. Why is there so much hate. Why can't they just respect each others beliefs and leave it at that. He then explained that it had more to do with the haves and the have nots than with religion. The hatred of the have nots towards the haves. That may be the main reason for all hate. Those that you see as inferior suddenly have more than you do and it doesn't have to always be money, it could be intellect or some other trait or talent.
In my experience the haves hate and fear the have nots quite a bit
@palmerlp
Why do you suppose that is? Which came first? Did the first man with the bigger cave hate the one who didn't have it before that second caveman hated the first for having it?
@@Just1American1966 The earliest example I could think of was Cain vs Abel. One received God’s approval more than the other so one got jealous and killed the other.
@fisterhr
So, in that case, it would appear a "have-not" carried out an act of violence toward a "have".
@@fisterhrnow replace god with mum and dad, this is childhood stuff dude, there is no god
2:43 race relations in a nutshell. They don't want us noticing haves vs have nots. So they get us on black vs white.
Bingo
Totally agree. We should stop talking race and start talking how to make this a better place together.
Oh please.. The black people are always the have nots no matter what they have!! Save it..
Yeah, funny how the "Vs" only goes one way here, which you just completely ignore. Enlighten us as to what the black farmer did in this situation to make it a "vs" issue. One guy ruined another one's life out of spite and hatred, and the other one didn't. It wasn't a contest between two people. It was one person doing something to another who did nothing to them.
@@jjstraka1982
:whoooooosh:
Hell of a scene with two of the best actors ever to grace the screen. Never gets old. 🎥
These two became a couple of my favorite actors because of this film. I've always liked this film 👍
Good film to show young people
I was a big Willem Defoe fan until he kissed another man in a movie. It was hard for me to see him the same again. I don't care who you are and acting doesn't matter. You never saw Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson kiss another man in a movie. F that.
@@fisterhr that's rather interesting
It comes from getting told being “good” isn’t enough. You have to be “better” than someone else. Then the unhealthy mental poison begins to spread.
I love Hackman's "It's not an excuse, it's a story about my Daddy." Although this film is flawed fiction, damn if it's not well acted.
Hackman: one of three really great actors of our time.
Agreed. As long as Nicholson and Caine are the other two! ;-)
@@stewmott3763 Both good. But my picks are Duvall and Oldman.
I don’t what your time is, but I’d argue he’s one of the greats of all time. His stuff will hold up well after he’s gone.
I think the root of the problem is pride.
So much death and hate has been caused by that deadly sin (and I'm not religious) it's amazing how many people don't even realise they're being manipulated by it.
It's why education is so important
Pride is the root of all evil...
Don't forget Envy
And fear of what’s different.
In this particular scene, the root of the problem is blame. We have a problem, we blame others for it. 😔
Those last few words from Gene Hackman are still true to this day.
Scary true...also sad that we can't move forward.
Facts.. That's exactly how they gauge themselves..
"The tempation of money will make you give up your moral beliefs" i think thats what you outta be debating, why do you think Mississippi was so full of hatred... "we would rather give broke and go hungry.. then to give up our moral beliefs " i think thats the majority of the world
And they probably will never stop being true!
I think so.
Being hateful just kills you faster. It's all the upkeep, the wear and tear on your soul.
Gene Hackman is one of the best character actors that America ever produced. He makes himself into whoever he needs to be, and you Believe him.
Saw this when I was 17. I love history and was worked up by the film. I understand that it's only a movie and it's
historical accuracy is obviously questioned. It makes heroes of some who might not really
deserve it and downplays the true role of others. It's great as a movie-fictional and Hackman really
gives a feel for what was going on-but knowing the facts before and after watching a movie is important.
I watched this movie when I was 12 or so for the first time. I'm not American so I really don't understand "history" part of the movie. In fact, despite the fact that this movie is clearly about the discrimination in Southern United States, it didn't tell anything about the reality of the problem to me. But I still think this is a good movie because it told me about the suggestion for universal nature of human being. That's why Hackman character told his young partner, "it's just a story about my daddy". That's the best filmmakers can do for us by their films.
As you mentioned in your comment, any movie can not be the description of the true events even though it's a "documentary" because someone must edit the raw footages into the structure alongside pre-determined narrative. When the fact is edited it's not the fact anymore...that's what exactly Eisenstein's montage theory tells us about. I always believe if a movie wants to be something more than just a story, especially when it tries to tell us something political it can only be a propaganda and it will do more harm than good even if the message of the film is seemingly "the right thing".
Lately I actually get scared of the people who claim "(political) correctness" of the movies...I suspect they are the people who naively believe "based on the true story" type of bullshits. When a filmmaker tries to take advantage of such fools to satisfy his ego, his movie causes more harm than good. Because such people will believe simple theory over complex reality. I mean, either they accept it as reality or deny it as complete lie. It bring the fictional dichotomy into reality graduatelly.
So I don't think we really don't need to know the fact behind the movies after all...the movies just help us to understand our internal *feeling* rather than the problem out there but if we really care about real problems, we need real experiences and real solutions.
It is not even close to fiction. It is,dramatisd fact
@@user-bx4vo2jc9rit is the dramatise story of the factual murder of the thtree freedom riders. Why don’t you know such a thing.
@@lizziebkennedy7505 when any movie is made certain liberties are taken for the benefit of the movie.. no matter how factual it claims to be there will be exaggerations and even falsities.
@@lizziebkennedy7505as someone from Mississippi, it’s pretty close to the truth
“ Why do people hate?”
In order to hate a fellow human being for racially/religiously motivated reasons; one must first dehumanise the target of hatred so they’re no longer viewed as a sentient being. Then it becomes justifiable in the warped mind of the perpetrator to inflict whatever pain, humiliation or violence they view as appropriate.
See Germany 1939 - 1945, Rwandan conflict and pretty much all world conflict throughout history.
Other reasons people hate might include:
- jealousy / envy
- lack of emotional intelligence
- to lessen the pain of their own self-loathing
- inferiority complex
- inverted snobbery
- misogyny
- an impoverished spirit
Fear
Fear of what?
The “other “.
It’s the root cause of racism and xenophobia.
@onelife7247 People being better than you. Didn't you hear the story of Monroe?
I had a boss who hated me. Rode me mercilessly. Once in frustration, I asked a colleague why he was doing it. She said, "He hates you because he hates himself."
Such a simple , effortless but brilliant performances.
Sad. If people with all of that hate spent half of that intensity trying to love people regardless of any differences just think where the world would be today. Love & respect all of your neighbors folks. Period. Love & respect them all the same unless they blatantly disrespect you. Then try to love them more.
Put down the bong, Hippie!
@@misterwhipple2870
Hippie ? I’m a hardcore Pantera, Metallica, etc fan that builds wind turbines on the top out crew way up in the sky and in between wind farms does residential and commercial custom framing on big badass houses . I have F buddies instead of a wife. You have me pegged WRONG.
@@EliteBuildersOK "Love them MORE"? You sure SOUND like a Hippie.
In my own words I do know that hatred is without a doubt very relevant even to this day
I'm paraphrasing here, but Carl von Clausewitz had it spot on: that the war(s) between a and b are all to the benefit of c. I'll leave it to the reader to assign values to the variables......
Especially if c finances both a & b, for a war time interest rate (high), or sells weapons to both a & b.
“Without a deadly hate for what threatens what you love, love is an empty word, used by cowards.”-George Lincoln Rockwell
What a great well acted clip.
"Where does it come from? All this hatred?"
I once heard someone say about people is that "Ten percent of people are good. Ten percent of people are evil. And, the remaining eighty percent depends on the circumstances."
"Where does it all come from...all this hatred?" Could have led to a whole history lesson of the American Civil War and the Reconstruction eras... This scene helps to explain this...
What an actor! I cant think of a single actor of the past two generations whose work I enjoy more than Gene Hackman. Marlon Brando, Robert Deniro, Al Pacino and Denzel Washington are his only real peers. I would have to omit Tom Hanks only because he hasn't been allowed to play the tough guy as Hackman has. Gene Hackman is equally adept at portraying the morally strong tough character as he does here. Or the loathsome slimy bastard in films like The Quick and the Dead or Unforgiven. Add in to the mix The French Connection, The Poseidon Adventure and Hoosiers. A mix of brilliance and versatility seldom equaled in cinematic history. For all his brilliance in this film, had he made more westerns, he would have outclassed Clint Eastwood in that genre as well. Much like the young Jack Palance in Shane, he completely encompasses all the despicable traits of the man we love to hate. Or in this case love as well. Want guaranteed brilliance? Put Gene Hackman in your film. Any film.
Gary Oldman and Daniel Day Lewis should be mentioned also.
And Nick Nolte
Gene Hackman is the reason I got into acting! Absolutely brilliant performer
People don't like being robbed and murdered or having their neighborhoods turned into slums. That's why.
Fucking-A!
Ignorance breeds hate.
Cultures embrace hate. Hate who isn't like you.
Two great actors in one of the best movies of the 1980s.
I really believe the William Dafoe, and Gene Hackman characters were allegories for JFK, and LBJ.
Interesting! ✌️
Could be. Never crossed my mind before.
Fear
All hate and anger stems from fear
In this particular scene, the reason for this hatred is blame.
Hate is taught
Then stop the teachings of racism by censorship
Democratically
Wow…! yes very powerful line. Now I gotta go find me a copy of this movie…, apparently I missed some “stuff”. I even have a VHS player, which is probably the only format it is on.
You can probably purchase it on RUclips by now (if you want to go that way).
@@jacktrades24 yep, I saw it pop-up as a pay per view. I would like a copy for my closet library as well.
The Great Divide explained, and so eloquently put to rest.
Hatred is simply an extreme form of dislike. It is OK to dislike something or someone ?????????????? The real problem happens when these thoughts, feelings, and impulses result in violence. The law calls them assaults, murders, etc . . . in other words crimes or felonies. Thinking isn't a crime. It's the action. Buddhism calls it WRONG ACTION.
Onevthing that is crazy is it actually does still feel like we are back in the sixties just look at what keeps going on all over
I know, it's so sad!
Good god what a scene
It's sadly spot on. But it's a Sin- not just wrong. Regardless of environment.
"An old man was just so full of hate that he didn't know that bein' poor was what was killin' him." This is one of the most important conversaions of the whole movie. And the line just before that: "If you ain't even better than a n-----, son, then who are you better than?" Such a concise summation of one of the root attitudes of racism. It's amazing how much is attached to everyone's own self image, and fascinating how (especially in a racially-based attitude such as this) the hate is not toward someone with a different skin color, but is actually self-hatred. Whoever wrote this part of the script had profound insight.
the mother of all scenes, still haunting me after all these years
Yes it still rings true unfortunately. Its finding someone other than ourselves to blame for our own misfortunes. Its not the root. But it's a limb that refuses to die.
They don’t make actors like that anymore.
They don't make films like this anymore, Why?
Love the scene.. whoever you are.. be nice
the world needs much more kindness
I will never understand what the reason is but i have become friends with black people anytime i shake their hands we became friends black people they have feelings just like white and Asian people it has yo stop sooner or later it is tearing me up inside please black people are the same as anyone else
best in hoosiers and i am
just now finding out about this film. Cool stuff
Great film.
"No, it's not an excuse, just a story about my daddy"
People won't comment. Afraid of saying what they really mean.
Or they just have no need to. What can we say that this film doesn’t say already?
Those people you describe, they are very sad and have died inside already
All hate is fear-based.
Nobody likes to feel afraid. It actually makes people angry.
That's why people say things like, "I hate snakes!" or "I hate spiders!" or "I hate when strange men approach me in public!"
They hate these things because these things "make" them feel an overwhelming amount of fear.
This fear leads to rage, which leads them to lash out in anger and hatred at whatever they feel "made" them feel all that fear.
I love everyone and everything, every person and every animal. I just wish most people could see the beauty around them, in themselves and in others, the world would be so much happier
The ideas in this speech, the entire movie tbh, is jewish fiction.
People hate that which threatens what they love.
Amen!
Monroe was probably thankful it was just the mule.
Great scene
Envy of a black man was too much for his father to take. Pride comes before the fall.
Gene Hackman is the finest Hollywood actor ever
He was one of the best actors for sure, but eventually had to retire.
Kinda sucks his swan song film was such a dud. Didn’t exactly end his career on a high note. Nevertheless, still one of the greatest actors in cinema
So… blaming others for our problems is the reason why this hatred exists. 😬
How many times do you have to get jumped by people who annoy you before you learn to watch out? Well, you could also just learn from other people's mistakes. Bottom line is, never relax.
what a brilliant movie
Why hasn’t William DeFoe ever won an Oscar?
Being poor..
Damn right.
What a great story that says it all. ❤
Hi is racism an excuse to hate someone who is different because there is plenty of it in the world😢
why do people hate ? well when a politician who is supposed to represent ME took my money and give it to foreigners, thats when hate starts. cheers from germany.
This movie forgets how FBI targeted civil rights activists like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X
And ?
@@lexkanyima2195 er.........this movie depicts the FBI as the good guys, the paragons of virtue, defenders of all citizens of the US, looking out for the black guys......they weren't. In this (much fictionalised case) they were, but that wasn't the overall reality, & still isn't
@@doylustheboy but it was a real life story
Ok let's get this going. As a Hispanic show me your same as American History X version. Racism? Yes! But if you go down this road, oh both sides can get it!
@@lexkanyima2195yes, but dramatised.
Gene Hackman ... Phenomenal actor.
I’d love to see this movie remade or retold from the POV of the 3 kids.
People love to hate some group or another
And Gene is an amazing actor….😁
ironic that Gene Hackman would later play a former Klansman to be executed in "the Chamber."
I had been down there to Mississippi to get some groceries from the store and a very nice sweet black lady gave me a good discount on them she did not charge me that much money that is so sweet of her she is a good lady but I have said before all people are equal even black people racism is unbelievable that we still deal with this kind of stuff to this day
“Even black people”, what the hell is wrong with you?
This is Gold !!
Lack of opportunity is a BIG reason.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th President of the United States
it really is about resources/control and the delusion of power
To a degree, he's right. It's what Marx would call the class struggle, only in this case it's a conflict between races, perpetuated by capitalism. The scene also shows how hate is taught or passed down from generation to generation.
I know why. Experience. Can be taught, or learned.
Willam Dafoe looks more like Willam Defriend in this movie..
Great movie.
Unbelievable how people could be so heartless back then.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but a lot of people still are. Some of them have just got better at hiding it.
Back then?
@@johnnash297 I don't live in Mississippi but back then I'm guessing it was more out in the open
@@paulavery5889 Sure, now all they needed was someone to say come on out and bring your hate back out in the open.
@@johnnash297 I hope not
Like me I know what it is like when the police pull you over for no reason but if they see a black guy driving around in a car they see them as a threat
Most times when I look at people of different races I do not look at them as a threat at all I look at them as human I hope sooner or later that racism stops in the future it breaks my heart everytime I watch the news there is another black guy getting killed for no particular reason
To me they were not being used. They really did vanish out therd in Mississippi now down there in that state nothing has changed at all it still goes on just like it did back in the civil rights days it still happens to this day it is ridiculous
Yeah of course that some things are actually worth dying for but to me I do hope that one of these days we can learn to get along with different people of color I never see people as weird to whether black white Mexican or Chinese all of us are the same in the eyes of the law
7 deadly sins
Greed
Sloth
Vanity
Wrath
Pride
Lust
Gluttony
Yup
Well a properly adjusted individual might be justified in feeling strong negative emotions, if a second individual threatens or otherwise jeopardises the people places or things that first individual happens to love. In my limited and admittedly rather biased personal experience, true hatred is rarely unaccompanied by some kind of love.
He was so full of hate he didn't know that being poor was what was killing him. Now that really applies to today. I suggest that everyone tune into Cornell West and Chris Hedges. They know the causes and conditions. They will educate you. Then go out and spread the word.
You don't have to dig to far...Black.Yellow.White.You'll find it.
Almost anything that can be used for division and you’ll find it.
min 0:53 "Where does it come from?" Its called W-privilege or WIVILEGE...and fear of losing it turns to hate.
No your comment is called BS or Bullshit! I just curious where's my white privilege, I don't own no yacht, I'm not a CEO of a company etc etc etc....I work a shitty job just like so many others do. It has nothing to do with skin color!
@@eddiewinehosen6665 Eddie, get UNTRIGGERED dude XD
That is spot on
An old Russian joke tells the story of a peasant with one cow who hates his neighbor because he has two cows. One day, a sorcerer offers to grant the envious farmer a single wish. “Kill one of my neighbor’s cows!” he demands.
50 million of that "old man" now in the US
People hate what they dont understand. People hate because theyve been taught to. People hate because their brain is incapable of understanding. People just suck.
I somehow think as to how things are these days it still feels like we are back in those days when they made black people sit in the back of the bus
Gene Hackman was a great actor!