Covering suspension setup in the same video is just sweet icing on the cake. You might wanna just add that bit in the title of the video please. Great informative video. Thanks a bunch!
I remember this with the Aprilia Shiver 750, wildly optimistic numbers from the Italians. They advertised that bike at 90 HP, it Dyno'd around 75. 18 - 20 % losses, Thru a chain drive? C'mon. And here this bike advertised as 80 and makes 68, 17% losses? 80 HP is marketing puffery, nothing more. Funny when an outboard is certified, it must be within 5% of the stated output. SO most engines actually do a little better than the rated HP, wouldn't do for your 100 HP motor to be constantly smoked by your competitors because his "100" was actually 105 and yours was 95.
@@percussion44 Losses gearbox: between 4 to 5%, losses new chain between 4 to 7%, losses 50-50 rear tire between 8 to 12%, accumulated minimun losses = 16%.
This bike looks awesome, as long as its reliable it should make a great ADV touring bike. the dimensions and set up are near perfect for a go-anywhere bike.
I recommend a video on Fortnine about break in periods. Italian bikes really do need their break in period because their finish machining doesn't get as close to a polish as everyone else. Everyone else has the "break in period" for the rider to get used to the bike, doing 11k RPM on day one isn't going to hurt the bike. With Ducati, Aprilia, and Moto Guzzi you need to follow it.
Good info. Would have been nice if you hooked up the rpm inductive pickup so we could do a true overlay with the RS660 using RPM instead of speed, and also have a torque reading.
Imperial Sportbikes in Denver, CO is a fantastic dealership. Glad you could collab with their team. Excited to see what unique content you create with the Tuareg! Forza Aprilia
What was the weight of the rider. If preload was maxed out before they have their riding gear on plus any luggage. May need to upgrade the rear spring to something more suitable?
Very cool! This is my favorite ADV bike out now. I'd buy one if I was able to justify the expense right now. AF1 Racing here in Austin was uncrating their first one on April 5. When were y'all buying that one?
Welcome to the Aprilia family guys. I've ridden a few of the RS660s and it's a pretty sweet motor. Would love to try one of these. TV4 1100F owner myself.
I wonder if Roman still has his? I just picked up a used 2023 model and love it. I believe these do need to be run in a bit to loosen the engine up. Previous owner said his fuel economy went up significantly after 1000 miles, so I know it has to be making more power after doing some miles. I'm closer to sea level at 600ft, but this bike feels stronger than 67-68 hp. The new Suzuki V-Strom 800 obviously has more power, particularly mid-range, but I don't think it's that much of a difference. Even in its detuned state compared to the RS660, the Tuareg is making great power for its displacement.
I'm Jealous. Not sure I can get one of these on the east coast. I've been waiting for them to get to the states. Congrats! Looking forward to the off-road and long term reviews.
I’ve used the same run-in procedure on lawn mower to muscle car engines. Load the rings and bearings progressively up and down the RPM scale. Valves will seat in minutes, rings will seat in less than an hour. Are we to believe freshly built race engines will need 500 miles before they are ready to race? That Ape is a back country weapon. ;-)
Love how he did the 'break in'. "600 miles is for the lawyers" 😆 I know I never get close to 'official' when I call my bikes done. Ride for and hour, change the oil, ride fir a few more good heat cycles and that's it. (change the oil again around 5 or 600)
@@dalecolegrove6652 Honestly no more than I have seen in it at 600 (first change) but I figure those small particles that are left in the motor and any initial wear in doesn't need to be there and continue to 'scratch' the cylinder walls, etc..
@@nikos-giorgos Quite a few people that build race engines agree with him. Often times an engine that's babied will not seat rings and might even burn oil. Don't worry, I'm sure he doesn't want to ride your bike either. So that is good.
@@autonomousindividual7780 Quite a few people that build race engines, have other people pay for them. And I'm not talking about "baybying", just following factory specs and recommendations.
Maxed preload out for a reasonable rear static sag - either old mate is 50-60kg heavier than the average 80-90kg rider or that rear end is way under sprung from factory and/or that hydraulic preload adjustment is next to useless to it's purpose of easy pillion/luggage/rider adjustments - you'd think the designed brief would be +/-60kg rider/load weight with preload compensation to maintain the same measured sag over that range?
Meh, I think I will wait to see how reliable this bike really is. How easy it is to get parts and aftermarket stuff on it. All this is the main selling point for me especially if you are out in the middle of nowhere. Hopefully it’s not a disappointment
That's the main thing for me also between a Tenere 700. You can take the T7 to hell and back and it will still run another 100k miles, but Aprilia being an Italian bike might break down during the break in process, without a huge network or common use parts, you're SOL if something happens. But so far from what I've read on the forums it appears Aprilia is trying to do everything right with the 660 engines and Tuareg.
@@donut3110 they will be making lots of those 660s motors (meaning it will be sorted) and they know they have to properly support an ADV to really make a dent in the market
Factory horsepower numbers are one of two things. A mathematical calculation of what the horsepower could be or the best they could get with a motor assembled by a master with handpicked balanced internals And four engineers standing over it tinkering with every screw and computer setting to maximize it.
So it’s maxed out with just rider. I’d take that suspension off and send it to Noleen for new springs and tuning. Were it my bike, I’d even drop a few inches off of it. You wouldn’t miss the ground clearance because the spring rates would be better. It would be even more fun off road in the technical stuff (why we buy mis sized bikes in the first place)
Hey, important question (for me anyway LOL). I haven't ridden a ton of modern bikes - (So far Ducati Desert Sled, Triumph 1200 Scram, & 1100 Africa Twin)... but I really hated the Ride By Wire on all of them. The Triumph was the best, by a long shot over the other two, but I still didn't like it. SO, question? What is the RBW like on the Toureg? especially compared to the Triumph (as you rode it for a while, hoping you can accurately compare). I'm really pretty keen on the Toureg, so I'd love your opinion on this, before I go hunting for a test ride. VERY BEST REGARDS, from New Zealand. P.S. Currently riding a 2016 Africa Twin.
test road one the other day, my video on the ride comes out at 6pm GST tonight on my channel, the bike was a beauty to ride, think she might be a future purchase and another to go in my collection.
Next on TFLbike, Tommy's Monkey is traded in on a BMW R18 B. lol I like the look of this Tuareg. Obviously it won't get a lot of miles put on it. But the few it does, should prove interesting for ride impressions. Going to have to detune the suspension for the guys that are going to be on it the most that is for sure. lol
The motor does not impress me. The Kawasaki Versys was dynoed at 61.2 hp and the Suzuki V-strom was 68.7 by Rider Magazine in 2017. Hopefully the weight and the suspension makes up for that.
@@timhunter1678 that I'm not sure of. I'd assume at the crank. I road it. It was plenty of power. I guess I'd have to ride one to see what it feels like.
I wonder if the owner of the shop agrees with this techs idea of breaking in a new engine. If I saw this happening with something I just dropped 13k on, I’d walk away from the deal.
Covering suspension setup in the same video is just sweet icing on the cake. You might wanna just add that bit in the title of the video please. Great informative video. Thanks a bunch!
Guys, you got 68 WHP. The power of the bike is stated at the crank by the factory. That would be 78.2 BHP, so it seems right.
I remember this with the Aprilia Shiver 750, wildly optimistic numbers from the Italians. They advertised that bike at 90 HP, it Dyno'd around 75. 18 - 20 % losses, Thru a chain drive? C'mon. And here this bike advertised as 80 and makes 68, 17% losses? 80 HP is marketing puffery, nothing more.
Funny when an outboard is certified, it must be within 5% of the stated output. SO most engines actually do a little better than the rated HP, wouldn't do for your 100 HP motor to be constantly smoked by your competitors because his "100" was actually 105 and yours was 95.
@@percussion44 Losses gearbox: between 4 to 5%, losses new chain between 4 to 7%, losses 50-50 rear tire between 8 to 12%, accumulated minimun losses = 16%.
I've been eyeing this bike over the Tenere as of late. The tech is killing me striking the tank with the wrench adjusting the preload.
This bike looks awesome, as long as its reliable it should make a great ADV touring bike. the dimensions and set up are near perfect for a go-anywhere bike.
I recommend a video on Fortnine about break in periods. Italian bikes really do need their break in period because their finish machining doesn't get as close to a polish as everyone else. Everyone else has the "break in period" for the rider to get used to the bike, doing 11k RPM on day one isn't going to hurt the bike. With Ducati, Aprilia, and Moto Guzzi you need to follow it.
I thought I'd be just fast-forwarding to get to the numbers, but this is a fascinating video. Well done, lads.
I think this bike will put out more power once it is run in. It would have been so tight. Great vid guys :)
Aprilia says not 80 hp on the rear wheel. HP datas are in Europe measured on the engine not on the wheel.
This bike is perfectly in spec. I would even say that it performs slightly above spec, given that everything has yet to set in.
Good info. Would have been nice if you hooked up the rpm inductive pickup so we could do a true overlay with the RS660 using RPM instead of speed, and also have a torque reading.
Imperial Sportbikes in Denver, CO is a fantastic dealership. Glad you could collab with their team. Excited to see what unique content you create with the Tuareg! Forza Aprilia
What was the weight of the rider. If preload was maxed out before they have their riding gear on plus any luggage. May need to upgrade the rear spring to something more suitable?
Thanks for sharing, it was super informative especially the suspension set up part. Can’t wait to see more of the Touareg!
Love your bike channel. Awesome bike shop/dealer! So cool to see an adventure bike in your fleet.
Very cool! This is my favorite ADV bike out now. I'd buy one if I was able to justify the expense right now.
AF1 Racing here in Austin was uncrating their first one on April 5. When were y'all buying that one?
I Have the sister bike the V85TT and going to get it serviced at AF1 today, I was hoping they had a Tuareg so I could check it out.
I ordered and will be receiving my bike this month as well. Very excited. Nothing prettier the Italian design
I rode on today. Nice bike. Not pull on your wrists power, but a well balanced machine between weight, handling, power, tech.
Welcome to the Aprilia family guys. I've ridden a few of the RS660s and it's a pretty sweet motor. Would love to try one of these. TV4 1100F owner myself.
Got mine from Imperial too. Bart, Dan and Tim are the best. Bart set my suspension also.
I wonder if Roman still has his?
I just picked up a used 2023 model and love it. I believe these do need to be run in a bit to loosen the engine up. Previous owner said his fuel economy went up significantly after 1000 miles, so I know it has to be making more power after doing some miles.
I'm closer to sea level at 600ft, but this bike feels stronger than 67-68 hp. The new Suzuki V-Strom 800 obviously has more power, particularly mid-range, but I don't think it's that much of a difference. Even in its detuned state compared to the RS660, the Tuareg is making great power for its displacement.
Banging the tools all over the bike. Nice job guys.
lol! it made me cringe!
@@ianwarnock1160 It was making me cringe as well. Get your hands off my bike buddy!
Great choice, the market of bikes that people want to see!!
The sound this bike makes alone makes me consider it.
Murderous to the PAINT
\-_-/ with that socket wrench 😢
I really like the suspension setup at the end.
I like the break-in secret. I always try to do a couple hundred miles easy, but i never get 600 miles under 4,000rpm. Also never had a problem 👍
I'm Jealous. Not sure I can get one of these on the east coast. I've been waiting for them to get to the states. Congrats! Looking forward to the off-road and long term reviews.
The sag measurement tools are slick.
I’ve used the same run-in procedure on lawn mower to muscle car engines. Load the rings and bearings progressively up and down the RPM scale. Valves will seat in minutes, rings will seat in less than an hour. Are we to believe freshly built race engines will need 500 miles before they are ready to race? That Ape is a back country weapon. ;-)
Love how he did the 'break in'. "600 miles is for the lawyers" 😆 I know I never get close to 'official' when I call my bikes done. Ride for and hour, change the oil, ride fir a few more good heat cycles and that's it. (change the oil again around 5 or 600)
Have you ever seen anything concerning in your one hour old oil?
@@dalecolegrove6652 Honestly no more than I have seen in it at 600 (first change) but I figure those small particles that are left in the motor and any initial wear in doesn't need to be there and continue to 'scratch' the cylinder walls, etc..
Yeah, I probably wouldn't let this guy anywhere near my bike(new or used)...
@@nikos-giorgos Quite a few people that build race engines agree with him. Often times an engine that's babied will not seat rings and might even burn oil. Don't worry, I'm sure he doesn't want to ride your bike either. So that is good.
@@autonomousindividual7780
Quite a few people that build race engines, have other people pay for them.
And I'm not talking about "baybying", just following factory specs and recommendations.
Which engine map was selected for the test?
Try loading luggage up to Romans weight and then ride it. I'm curious about travel handling.
Good static review.
It’s really stable loaded up with Aprilia metal side cases, accessories and my wife although she’s only 50kg
Great suspension info right there 👍🏼🍻
what does he mean by 3 poles? engine brake only means close the throttle instead of decelerate with throttle? thanks
Only other one I've seen out is at New York powersports in White Plains NY. Very small supply right now
Maxed preload out for a reasonable rear static sag - either old mate is 50-60kg heavier than the average 80-90kg rider or that rear end is way under sprung from factory and/or that hydraulic preload adjustment is next to useless to it's purpose of easy pillion/luggage/rider adjustments - you'd think the designed brief would be +/-60kg rider/load weight with preload compensation to maintain the same measured sag over that range?
hi one question is preload set to full in both rear and frond ?
Very excited for this bike! Cant wait until you guys get some miles on it and review it'
Looks so similar to AT size. Rear suspension already maxed?
I do a lot of true adventure riding in India. If he is going to fo rough stuff it is definitely to stiff he will be hurting.
What is that little tool you have for measuring the sag? That is quite handy!
Meh, I think I will wait to see how reliable this bike really is. How easy it is to get parts and aftermarket stuff on it. All this is the main selling point for me especially if you are out in the middle of nowhere. Hopefully it’s not a disappointment
That's the main thing for me also between a Tenere 700. You can take the T7 to hell and back and it will still run another 100k miles, but Aprilia being an Italian bike might break down during the break in process, without a huge network or common use parts, you're SOL if something happens. But so far from what I've read on the forums it appears Aprilia is trying to do everything right with the 660 engines and Tuareg.
they will be making lots of those 660s and they know they have to support an ADV to really make a dent in the market
@@donut3110 they will be making lots of those 660s motors (meaning it will be sorted) and they know they have to properly support an ADV to really make a dent in the market
nice video.... care to share your weight and the suspension settings?
Nice bike. I like the retro paint scheme. ADV bikes are a lot of fun on the street as well. What was the price?
Factory horsepower numbers are one of two things. A mathematical calculation of what the horsepower could be or the best they could get with a motor assembled by a master with handpicked balanced internals And four engineers standing over it tinkering with every screw and computer setting to maximize it.
So it’s maxed out with just rider. I’d take that suspension off and send it to Noleen for new springs and tuning. Were it my bike, I’d even drop a few inches off of it. You wouldn’t miss the ground clearance because the spring rates would be better. It would be even more fun off road in the technical stuff (why we buy mis sized bikes in the first place)
love the Tuareg! Gonna end up with one eventually
Oh u can do trails on big ktm too, no problem
Dang i like that bike..If Aprilia had a better dealer network in my country I'd buy one..I still might but my closest dealer is 900km away..
Definitely want one. In that color.
I am assuming the dealer believes there is no need to run brand new bikes in, then, as per manufacturer recommendations?
I hope you guys compare this with the T7.
Not to much to compare. 😯
Sorry guys you weren’t the first in the country. AF 1 in Austin post on April 5. You guys might’ve been the first one in Colorado though.
Verrrrrrrrrry interested in this bike, thank you.
Hey, important question (for me anyway LOL). I haven't ridden a ton of modern bikes - (So far Ducati Desert Sled, Triumph 1200 Scram, & 1100 Africa Twin)... but I really hated the Ride By Wire on all of them. The Triumph was the best, by a long shot over the other two, but I still didn't like it. SO, question? What is the RBW like on the Toureg? especially compared to the Triumph (as you rode it for a while, hoping you can accurately compare). I'm really pretty keen on the Toureg, so I'd love your opinion on this, before I go hunting for a test ride. VERY BEST REGARDS, from New Zealand. P.S. Currently riding a 2016 Africa Twin.
was it even broken in??? seemed like it just got off the truck
test road one the other day, my video on the ride comes out at 6pm GST tonight on my channel, the bike was a beauty to ride, think she might be a future purchase and another to go in my collection.
Go Roman! Glad to see you on the Tuareg representing the Gen Xers...
I have a VW Touareg, and a WR250R. Maybe I need an Aprilia Toureg ?🤔
Yammies r so cheap to keep tho
Next on TFLbike, Tommy's Monkey is traded in on a BMW R18 B. lol I like the look of this Tuareg. Obviously it won't get a lot of miles put on it. But the few it does, should prove interesting for ride impressions. Going to have to detune the suspension for the guys that are going to be on it the most that is for sure. lol
Hope the wiring is better then the ETV1000. That was the only downfall with that bike.
That guy sure didn’t mind whacking the bike with his ratchet.
how much does he weigh?
you got setup by bart, the best motorcycle tech in colorado and one of the best in the country
Look forward to see some ride reviews!
Can't have the guys working at Aprilia to have an honest opinion
Sag should be set up with the owner in full riding gear. Riding gear is heavier than normal clothing.
At Roman's size, I don't think the difference matters.
the name puts me off, like the volkswagen suv. more medium displacement adv bikes are great though.
really helpful. thank you.
The guy running the Dyno says KTM’s are heavy and no good on the trails lol 😂
2:12 last time I checked Italy was still part of Europe
Nice looking bike,like the way you can to parts,shame you will have to wait 6 months + for parts
informative vid, and this bike is probably next in my garage, but... yikes... pretty rude treatment of the tech there at the very end.
That bike is definitely on my radar BUT like Moto Guzzi the dealer support is a joke where I live.
Moto Guzzi and Aprilia are the same company so that makes sense. Both owned by Piaggio.
that bike un-corked would sound amazing
Looks like an organized chop shop for euro bikes.
DID YOU OPEN THE FAN FOR BLOWING FRESH AIR TO THE RADIATOR ??????
Love that motorcycle!
Haha, at the 18:00 mark.... symphatic guy
nice desync..
It needs a full Arrow exhaust and tune.
dirt rider channel does the dyno tests mounting the bike.
I'm usually on a bike when I ride it. :)
I know they are trying not to add more friction and get the higher #.
Good way brake it in.
Made in Italy, VENETO. The best
Looks like a great bike, but somehow I really dislike the design of the front end, it’s an Italian, make it more beautiful 😜
That bike is sick, love imperial
There is no way the piston rings are bedded in
Omg is that Windows XP?
The motor does not impress me. The Kawasaki Versys was dynoed at 61.2 hp and the Suzuki V-strom was 68.7 by Rider Magazine in 2017. Hopefully the weight and the suspension makes up for that.
This is probably the only new aprilia I can actually fit on 😂
Aloha from Hawai’i
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Those tyres alone have lost you ponies...put a sticky slick on the rear,try again!
Unlike this bike but but what about reliability and parts DEPO i can't wait weeks or months to get a bad part or damaged
I cringed every time the wrench hit the plastic when adjusting the suspension! Put a towel down or use an extension!
My bet was 65whp.
I thought these guys just did little kid bikes.
what a stupid thing to do!
talking like this bike is light..close to 500lbs full of fuel not light at all plus gear..bigger fan of smaller lighter bikes
This bike IS 408 lbs full or fuel. Pretty light for an aventure bike.
It weights 408 wet? How is that not light? Even a KLR 650 is 60 lbs heavier.
Really? Where are you getting your info from? Try 450lbs wet, it's 412lbs dry!
56hp? That's not much
At the rear wheel it is with a knobby. To put things in prospective a Kawasaki KLR 650 makes 36 at the crank and these make 80.
@@timhunter1678 ktm690r makes over 70 tho. I would have thought it would have made more
@@mattsloop2736 70 at the rear wheel or crank rated from KTM? There's a huge difference between the two.
@@timhunter1678 that I'm not sure of. I'd assume at the crank. I road it. It was plenty of power. I guess I'd have to ride one to see what it feels like.
68 HP best result! Maybe you looked another video!😁
cheap bike = motoretta per polli
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I wonder if the owner of the shop agrees with this techs idea of breaking in a new engine. If I saw this happening with something I just dropped 13k on, I’d walk away from the deal.
Meh he's spot on. I built 4,500 HP procharger pro mod engines. Break- in time is the burnout. Next it's doing 275 mph down the track.
If the bike you dropped 13k on can’t take that, you better find out right away.
to bad its made in china no ty