We're told that more horsepower, dual clutch, fast 1/4 mile time, and different drive modes are what make a great car. Turbo lag, heavy clutch/shifter, unique flat four sound, and great visibility make the WRX/STi a better drivers car. Who cares if a car is fast if it isn't fun to drive anytime you want to? Try putting the power down on a wet road in a Mustang GT/Camaro SS. I'll take my Subie on a wet backroad any day over a faster car that is too heavy/big/numb to really enjoy. #LegacyBlitzen #EJ206
I agree. The fun factor is important. And the handling is important. More power would be good. The amount is has now is satisfying enough- more so than other cars with more power that I've Driven. I love my 2016 wrx (manual of course)
And that’s what makes a Subaru, a Subaru. Honestly it’s the best car I’ve owned. Love my boostedv4/v6 supercharged engines but something about THIS flat4 car that just makes you want to drive it all the time. Fast enough stock but after you get an access port and throw on some bolt ons for what it’s worth it’ll make you love this car even more. Can’t get a better experience and happiness In owning one. Highly recommend if your into Japanese cars also. The Subie culture/enthusiast are amazing!
I am a 2015 STi owner. I traded up from a mildly tuned 2002 wrx w/lots of suspension upgrades. I thought that his breakdown and description from the drive feel to the audio system was spot on. I would only add that my general feeling of the 2015 is that it is now an underpowered touring car instead of a tight cornering rally car. I do love it though. I think that with an aggressive tune and a wider open track it will perform better than the older models. I also think this has been verified in test runs.
Thank you so much for making this video. Cobb's website tells us what we can expect, but seeing and hearing your deeply descriptive experience of what you felt changed is exactly what i was looking for. And thank you. for posting the 0-60 times!!!
There's no homo in acknowledging someone for their achievements in fitness. Nice car though, but I have to agree it would be better as a hatchback. These shine as a ski car, but not if your poles and boots won't fit in it.
briansmobile1 *maybe he's hitting the gym but what you saw there was mostly wide angle perspective distortion of the gopro. Same reason why his hand on the wheel looks 2x bigger than his face at **9:29*
Cobb Accessport is a great way to start a mod. Installed an OTS stage 1 map on my 911 Turbo (991.1) without any bolt on mod. There are certainly noticeable improvement hp and torque.
That's the Oregon historic highway in the Gorge, I used to drive there all the time. By far one of the best roads, especially if you can find a day without traffic!
That steering wobble is noticeable on this car but I think it is the torque/brake vectoring doing its job. Hooking this car around a corner on the throttle will cause this wobble but that's the outside front wheel pushing the car and the inside front wheel slightly braking. You get used to it quickly and can turn in like no other stock WRX/STI model.
I love your methodical and very analytical approach to making videos (you answer the questions I wanted and the ones I didn't even know I wanted to ask). Please keeps them coming! Thanks bud.
My old 2005 RSX TYPE S with top dollar full boltons, E85, Hondata, injectors, fuel pump, ignition, RBC intake manifold, ksport TB, custom Kport shifter kit, Clutch Masters FX250 cutch, 8.5 pound flywheel, carbon syncors 1-4th gear. Also have 17/235 Advan wheels, 4 piston 13in brembo up front and rotors, pads, lines in rear with ksport coilovers. 100% street drivable, 240 FWHP/170TQ and handles/stops amazing. Beats my cousins 2005 sti with intake, 350z’s all day along with others
That wiggle is because you had traction control still on, therefore the torque vectoring was still activated. The only way to have the vectoring switched off is turning the traction control completely off.
At minute 2:00 exactly, you can see your dashboard warning for the traction control system is not on. So while you were driving through the twisties there the torque vectoring was on and giving that wiggle feeling you are describing.
OTS tunes are also known as "canned tunes" in the tuning culture surrounding my platform (Mazdaspeed 3). They are generally frowned upon by those who know better for several very significant reasons. I'm not sure about the OTS tunes relative to STIs, but for Speeds there are many areas to be improved upon regarding the COBB OTS tunes, and not just regarding performance, but for safety too. Simply put, it's much safer to go ahead and get a full custom tune for your car. Then it's dialed in for your specific mods, fuel quality in the region, altitude, driving style, and many other important factors. It's also important to realize that no two cars are identical, even with modern day precision manufacturing techniques. For instance, you may have two identically modded cars that accept different levels of timing. I've tuned 8 or 10 different Speeds and can tell you that some cars are much more okay with raised timing levels, for instance. Other cars hate it and become knock prone, which is potentially extremely dangerous. Custom tunes will address salient issues like this. I personally went with FREEKTUNE because he's really well established and well regarded for the Speed platform. He actually does Suby's now too. Just food for thought. I personally would NEVER run an OTS map on my Speed. My setup is so exotic that no OTS maps would fit the bill anymore, but even before I had all the mods I currently have, I wasn't okay with OTS maps.
My Cobb stage 2 OTS tune was for a catted DP - mine was high quality, but Catless. Spiked boost constantly and blew the TMIC apart - swapped to a bigger TMIC and got a custom E-tune and it was the best thing I ever did, until Ethanol :-)
Zack Richmond Yes, but the car comes from the factory with an OTS tune. If the car is still stock, then I don't see the issue with an OTS tune at all... you're just changing to another standardised tune that is less conservative than the OEM tune.
TassieLorenzo That's exactly it: the factory (OEM) tune is conservative enough for cars across the entire U.S. domestic market, including all ranges of altitude, fuel quality, and climate conditions. Because they have such a broad range of application, a great deal of margin is engineered into the ECU calibration for safety's sake. COBB takes away some of that margin in what they do, so it's intrinsically more risky. Granted, the risk in minimized when you have all stock components on the car. But how many people really run a tune like that? Usually people are going to have at least an intake and an exhaust. And on turbo cars, exhausts, in particular, are intrinsically very risky with OTS tunes because boost spikes and overboosting can easily occur much more readily. In my platform (Mazdaspeed 3), our community sees overboosting and boost spiking very, very frequently when folks try opening up the exhaust on OTS tunes, even with ones that are supposedly "designed" for freer flowing exhausts (Stage 2 maps).
***** I guess it just depends how into modding you are. I'm sure there's a good number who just flash a new tune. The crowd of folks I hang with are all fully bolted, lots of upgraded turbos, etc., so that's a lot of what I see. I realize there are more types of people out there too, with regard to modding (or not modding) cars.
You actually lose a little peak hp with that stage 1 but the power curve is much better. The biggest change comes with a large gain of tq. Think it’s 40-45. You can definitely feel it.
Thanks for the video, Jason. I ran the off the shelf stage 2 map on my 02, and I had many of the same comments you're making here. My 09 just ran outta warranty, so I think it's time to push it.
Chance Dobbins Thanks! Basically cold tires, narrower than stock, and the road was a little damp. Still managed to haul! A little help from 3 LSDs haha.
I agree with Trent Hutchison. I have an 05 STi and you do have to really take your foot off if going WOT before you shift or else revs will ping out. Something I am still getting use to. As far as horsepower.... Japan sets HP limits on their cars for US models. What I found very interesting is the new WRX has "direct injection" bringing the HP at just shy of 260 with the STi at 305. Fuji Heavy Industries DID NOT do this for the STi model which would have shot the STi to around 350 off the assembly line. Which is what many would have liked to see. The difference of paying 9 grand more for an STi is not worth it. I was at COBB in socal watching this guy dyno tune his 2015 WRX. He had COBB cold air intake, TGV deletes, and a down pipe, with the custom tune was out $2,600 but gave him around 330HP. The direct injection should have been applied to the STi, but was not. Meh.
COBB makes you upgrade your fuel system (injectors,pump,rails etc) to have a CAI and downpipe with you tune. MAPerforamnce has better maps, you can get a cai, downpipe and tune with stock fuel system. Basically, COBB is conservative, they'd rather you spend another $2K on a fuel system and their tune with a cai and downpipe then have a map dialed in right.....
You neglected to mention that the OTS maps from Cobb are best used with having Cobb hardware (exhaust and such). Was the STI stock? In the two videos I saw you drive that particular STI you had only mentioned aftermarket wheels. A Stage 1 Protune dl'ed onto the AP will show much better results than the standard OTS map for that specific setup. If you don't have a different setup.. full turbo back from say Invidea, then a Protune would be best suited over the Cobb OTS Maps. The AP is a great tool to use but to get the most out of your build, pay the $450 for the protune and have that map put on the AP.
+jrcu19 I own a 16 STi and there is a very significant change in driving from stock to stage 1. It's not necessarily faster, but when you take it out in real world scenarios (turning, as it turns out these aren't dragsters) the responsiveness and torque curve are absolutely noticeable.
jrcu19 the peak horsepower and peak torque gains aren't significant, but that's only part of the picture. What is made significantly better is increasing the hp/torque earlier in the rpms. If you compare the charts, while peak numbers might not change much, the area in the chart between the old chart and new chart is all gain at earlier rpms, which means a faster car.
I want one but I can't afford one right now as a 19 year-old! ): I'm going to stick with a new Jetta or some used GTI from 2006 and 2008 and work my way up! I also like Grand Cherokees and Wranglers
Johaziel that should be an excuse, save up, work on your credit then learn how to negotiate with a dealership (go towards the end of the month ). I’m 20 and I’m about to get mine!
Another reviewer on RUclips mentioned that the wobble in the steering was due to the torque / brake vectoring. I certainly noticed it on my test drive. Bought it anyways. :P
Loved the 'I just sprayed the windshield because they changed the way the thingy works, who cares'. As I'm going through the same motions here, coming from a 2004 WRX to a 2018 Outback, this part made me laugh quite a bit :)
I have the 2015 wrx with a stage 2 tune and I love driving my car but when I was at the dealership I really wanted to try and finance the 2015 STI but unfortunately I didn't have good enough credit to do so which sucks but I'm just happy to be driving a wrx which is still amazing, maybe I'll try again when they actually put a new motor in the STI.
Always liked these cars but never seriously considered one because of concerns with engine durability. I've known a few people with stock cars that had problems with cracked piston ring landings. Then again one of my friends traded a wrx in that was tuned with full exhaust and cold air intake and he beat the bag out of that car and it never had any issues so who knows
God I love this channel. I just bought a 2018 wrx and I'm in love. I also didn't know you were in Oregon. I live around Portland, I'll look for you tooling around. =)
Please review the 2016 whenever you can, been dying to see the interior difference and to see if there are power differences in a video of yours. Thank you
Pretty cool vid. Just wanted to give my $.02 about the wish for "more HP". Well, as an engineer, you must realize the constraints, and the fight between HP and longevity/stability on a production car designed to last a few years without a pit crew. I think Subaru draws the line in a nice place, and I thought it was kind of naive to compare it to coupes that might have more HP, but are also much heavier, have crappy suspensions, and are despite the HP much slower. I have a bike that only has 75 HP that will do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and only cost me 7 grand new. HP isn't everything. You have to put it in the context of the big picture, and I am sure you agree that 300 HP despite being only 5 more than 5 years ago is probably one of the less important variables to change that will make a sportscar like this successful, and quick. Databyter
A half-second difference in the exact same car seems pretty good. But yeah, I think it's a bit annoying the STI group is being so "conservative", but now that Mitsubishi is basically done with the EVO, there isn't really much competition anymore. The STI is, to my knowledge, the only car in its class for 2015. Ford and Volkswagen could easily join the competition if they wanted to.
Nice Review. Thanks! I own an '11 STi (sedan) and like it so much since day 1. I actually achieve impressive MPG crusing at 120-125kph (3000rpm, 6th gear) very close to 8L per 100km. Try a honda fit at 120kph... you'll see what I mean. Also, but note the least, I installed Bridgestone S04 and this made for a huge overall handling difference compare to the stock dunlop by significantly reducing the understeer to almost none. The initial turn in bit is a little less aggressive, but what a difference!
I just got a 2019 sti after owning a 2013 previously, I can attest to the steering feeling strange when you are trying to hold a certain angle. It feels like the electronic assist making the tires go back and forth slightly its really strange. That being said, I feel like the handling over all is improved pretty drastically over the previous generation. The steering rack is way tighter. The tune in the newer ones is more sensitive to octane, etc. It will pull timing under boost if it doesn't like the gas or its not getting the correct amount of air. The 2013 I had was way less sensitive. I only put 94 in it but when I got the car the dealership put in I believe regular gas, and the car hated it. I was pissed when I asked them what gas they filled it up eith and they weren't sure.
As an engineer, can you tell if the Cobb tune is better for the longevity and reliability of the engine? I have a regular WRX and my Cobb AP is sitting next to me. I've got 1,600 miles on it and it's siren call is drawing me in.
+Engineering Explained - Well, I was more referring to the stock Subaru tune. Cobb and other tuners say that they made their tunes more "safe". Have you had any issues so far or is everything running like it should be?
+Jimmy Lai - I have had a catless downpipe and the Cobb Stage 2 + SF intake tune on my 2008 STi since 33K miles. Car is at 120K miles now and running great! Stock clutch as well, but that must be a fluke.
yes use your accessport. power doesn't add stress, using the power adds stress. so don't drive hard all the time and there's where your longevity comes from. my stock '04 had ringland failure. there are many factors but basically SOA's tune can get stuck in open loop fueling under high boost Low rpm conditions. this removes the knock sensor from the equation and if you don't have an ap you can't see the values spike and you won't get out of the throttle. Cobb made it better. I recommend it for all subie owners. that's just the surface of the problem but should help you out.
Honestly I have better mpg. Own a 19 wrx and it’s getting 21-23mpg running a 93 stage 1 tune. Even after heavy pulls and driving i get 20 mpg using shell v power gas 93 Oct.
Engineering Explained I was wondering about Straight cut gears. What are they and how are they better than "standard" cut gears? Could you do a video on that or have I missed it? Thanks and I think you're great at explaining complex things about cars, I've learnt a lot from you.
They aren't better. Straight cut gears are noisy and loud. They also have to be built larger and stronger than helical cut gears. They are better for racing applications, where you don't care about long term longevity of the gears. Helical cut gears have more surface contact area and can handle higher torque loads with smaller gears. And they are very quiet.
He lives his life one on-ramp at a time.
Hahahaha
Don't we all...don't we all.
Subaru STi is supposed to be BLUE
Lancer Evo is supposed to be RED
These are universal laws!
But this STi is still a damn beautiful sight to behold.
RUclips Aneesh I have rarely seen a red evo, most I see are black/grey
Matthew Broderick Maybe you've grown up in a different generation than I did. But red Evos used to be just as common as blue STis with gold shoes.
Stunt Growtopia *wheels
Stunt Growtopia No, gold WHEELS with black TIRES... Is English your first language, or are you just stupid?
Learn the difference between connotation and denotation.
We're told that more horsepower, dual clutch, fast 1/4 mile time, and different drive modes are what make a great car. Turbo lag, heavy clutch/shifter, unique flat four sound, and great visibility make the WRX/STi a better drivers car. Who cares if a car is fast if it isn't fun to drive anytime you want to? Try putting the power down on a wet road in a Mustang GT/Camaro SS. I'll take my Subie on a wet backroad any day over a faster car that is too heavy/big/numb to really enjoy. #LegacyBlitzen #EJ206
I agree. The fun factor is important. And the handling is important. More power would be good. The amount is has now is satisfying enough- more so than other cars with more power that I've Driven. I love my 2016 wrx (manual of course)
And that’s what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.
Honestly it’s the best car I’ve owned. Love my boostedv4/v6 supercharged engines but something about THIS flat4 car that just makes you want to drive it all the time. Fast enough stock but after you get an access port and throw on some bolt ons for what it’s worth it’ll make you love this car even more. Can’t get a better experience and happiness In owning one. Highly recommend if your into Japanese cars also. The Subie culture/enthusiast are amazing!
I love the pure joy plastered on this dudes face.
+Scott Bond Thats me everyday I wake up in the morning
agreed i drive mine i giggle lol
Just picked up my 2018 STi two days ago and I love seeing you laugh every time you hit the throttle because I get the same exact feeling.
After a sticker delete it would be perfect!
inmymemory507 but less stickers mean less power
+5 hp per sticker so i've heard.
Not worth voiding the fuckboy warranty
No such thing as, “voiding” a warranty.
Stickers are cool... if you're 16 and just got out of fast & furious movie in the year 2001
That car looks so good in red.
the police LOVE red cars
*****
Especially WRXs. www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=most+ticketed+car
***** Why I love gray!
Oh Herro I almost like it more than blue, but I'd gladly take either.
+SimplyCRehZ Thats why i have it in blue and without the "HERE I AM" spoiler that calls police.
R.I.P clutch when he launched it😂😂
I am a 2015 STi owner. I traded up from a mildly tuned 2002 wrx w/lots of suspension upgrades. I thought that his breakdown and description from the drive feel to the audio system was spot on. I would only add that my general feeling of the 2015 is that it is now an underpowered touring car instead of a tight cornering rally car. I do love it though. I think that with an aggressive tune and a wider open track it will perform better than the older models. I also think this has been verified in test runs.
You're welcome for that tune
A+ comment
i'm a subaru guy (own an 05 STi) but 305 hp for the 2015 STi is not enough from the factory for a car that is 40k
My 14 evo gets 265 to the wheel... With tune got 317bhp and 353 btq... Only invidia n1 and test pipe ... Plus turned it up psi
Turned it up 2 psi
2015 STIs should have 330-335 hp from the factory
Outdoor Layne Buy the 2016 STI then find a friend with a 2016 WRX. Swap the engines. I don't know if they fit though.
John GonZales what does btw mean ?
@2:12"Who cares." - Made me laugh.
Who puts narrower then stock aftermarket summer tires on a performance oriented car...
Fender clearance
Nothing like sacrificing performance for some sweet rims bro..
ChicoKj23 yeah cus that extra 10mm of tire will make or break his setup, pfft.
Enough that he felt he needed to mention it..It's alright, cause now his car looks sick bro
I would put on the rear to make it more tail happy
Thank you so much for making this video. Cobb's website tells us what we can expect, but seeing and hearing your deeply descriptive experience of what you felt changed is exactly what i was looking for. And thank you. for posting the 0-60 times!!!
Check out those guns at 9:15.... somebody's been hitting the gym! It's Jason.
briansmobile1 yeah seems like so
A 10 minute video about a sports car and all you noticed were his biceps LOL GAYEEEEE
There's no homo in acknowledging someone for their achievements in fitness. Nice car though, but I have to agree it would be better as a hatchback. These shine as a ski car, but not if your poles and boots won't fit in it.
briansmobile1 *maybe he's hitting the gym but what you saw there was mostly wide angle perspective distortion of the gopro. Same reason why his hand on the wheel looks 2x bigger than his face at **9:29*
Oh my! Try to do a little rock climbing every now and then haha.
Cobb Accessport is a great way to start a mod. Installed an OTS stage 1 map on my 911 Turbo (991.1) without any bolt on mod. There are certainly noticeable improvement hp and torque.
Very impressive car! I own a 2011 WRX with a cobb stage 1 and I love it. Subaru and Cobb in the mix is a lot of fun. Great review of the STI!!!
do you run a cobb intake or just the stock air filter panel?😊
I love subaru's! My fav year is 2005 with the rally blue and carbon fibre hood!
10:00 look at the shifter
It was shaking his head while screaming help me lol
Doesnt know how to launch them right
That's the Oregon historic highway in the Gorge, I used to drive there all the time. By far one of the best roads, especially if you can find a day without traffic!
That steering wobble is noticeable on this car but I think it is the torque/brake vectoring doing its job.
Hooking this car around a corner on the throttle will cause this wobble but that's the outside front wheel pushing the car and the inside front wheel slightly braking. You get used to it quickly and can turn in like no other stock WRX/STI model.
That makes sense 👍
That red is absolutely beautiful color
It was awesome watching you drive the car after the tune. We can tell you were definitely enjoying yourself
"Its an incredible machine" - Lance
The new sti's are seriously beautiful
I love your methodical and very analytical approach to making videos (you answer the questions I wanted and the ones I didn't even know I wanted to ask). Please keeps them coming! Thanks bud.
Down pipe and tune is where you get the real gains for a first mod.
My old 2005 RSX TYPE S with top dollar full boltons, E85, Hondata, injectors, fuel pump, ignition, RBC intake manifold, ksport TB, custom Kport shifter kit, Clutch Masters FX250 cutch, 8.5 pound flywheel, carbon syncors 1-4th gear. Also have 17/235 Advan wheels, 4 piston 13in brembo up front and rotors, pads, lines in rear with ksport coilovers.
100% street drivable, 240 FWHP/170TQ and handles/stops amazing.
Beats my cousins 2005 sti with intake, 350z’s all day along with others
wont lie. when I first seen his videos I was like ehhh didn't think much. Definitely got my attention now. Nice review.
oh dear.. remove the blown sticker off the front bumper!!
That grin after he changed to the stage 1😁
The car that puts a smile on your face is the car you wanna buy!
That wiggle is because you had traction control still on, therefore the torque vectoring was still activated. The only way to have the vectoring switched off is turning the traction control completely off.
Mike Zerkle Traction control was off (completely), as mentioned.
At minute 2:00 exactly, you can see your dashboard warning for the traction control system is not on. So while you were driving through the twisties there the torque vectoring was on and giving that wiggle feeling you are describing.
He didn't stop smiling when he was driving it with the tune setup
OTS tunes are also known as "canned tunes" in the tuning culture surrounding my platform (Mazdaspeed 3). They are generally frowned upon by those who know better for several very significant reasons. I'm not sure about the OTS tunes relative to STIs, but for Speeds there are many areas to be improved upon regarding the COBB OTS tunes, and not just regarding performance, but for safety too.
Simply put, it's much safer to go ahead and get a full custom tune for your car. Then it's dialed in for your specific mods, fuel quality in the region, altitude, driving style, and many other important factors. It's also important to realize that no two cars are identical, even with modern day precision manufacturing techniques. For instance, you may have two identically modded cars that accept different levels of timing. I've tuned 8 or 10 different Speeds and can tell you that some cars are much more okay with raised timing levels, for instance. Other cars hate it and become knock prone, which is potentially extremely dangerous. Custom tunes will address salient issues like this. I personally went with FREEKTUNE because he's really well established and well regarded for the Speed platform. He actually does Suby's now too.
Just food for thought. I personally would NEVER run an OTS map on my Speed. My setup is so exotic that no OTS maps would fit the bill anymore, but even before I had all the mods I currently have, I wasn't okay with OTS maps.
My Cobb stage 2 OTS tune was for a catted DP - mine was high quality, but Catless. Spiked boost constantly and blew the TMIC apart - swapped to a bigger TMIC and got a custom E-tune and it was the best thing I ever did, until Ethanol :-)
austinshatzer Yeah, I have a 93 tune and an E30 tune as well. The ethanol blend tune makes 50 more whp/wtq! Ethanol really is an amazing fuel!
Zack Richmond Yes, but the car comes from the factory with an OTS tune. If the car is still stock, then I don't see the issue with an OTS tune at all... you're just changing to another standardised tune that is less conservative than the OEM tune.
TassieLorenzo That's exactly it: the factory (OEM) tune is conservative enough for cars across the entire U.S. domestic market, including all ranges of altitude, fuel quality, and climate conditions. Because they have such a broad range of application, a great deal of margin is engineered into the ECU calibration for safety's sake. COBB takes away some of that margin in what they do, so it's intrinsically more risky.
Granted, the risk in minimized when you have all stock components on the car. But how many people really run a tune like that? Usually people are going to have at least an intake and an exhaust. And on turbo cars, exhausts, in particular, are intrinsically very risky with OTS tunes because boost spikes and overboosting can easily occur much more readily. In my platform (Mazdaspeed 3), our community sees overboosting and boost spiking very, very frequently when folks try opening up the exhaust on OTS tunes, even with ones that are supposedly "designed" for freer flowing exhausts (Stage 2 maps).
***** I guess it just depends how into modding you are. I'm sure there's a good number who just flash a new tune. The crowd of folks I hang with are all fully bolted, lots of upgraded turbos, etc., so that's a lot of what I see. I realize there are more types of people out there too, with regard to modding (or not modding) cars.
+engineering explained - watching your split eating grin is priceless - thx for your honest reviews and thoughts and as always your wisdom....
You actually lose a little peak hp with that stage 1 but the power curve is much better. The biggest change comes with a large gain of tq. Think it’s 40-45. You can definitely feel it.
i love when you calculated the g-forces at 8:00
Just a friendly reminder, dont ever drop the clutch on a launch, let the clutch catch a little before completely letting go for the launch!
Thanks for the video, Jason. I ran the off the shelf stage 2 map on my 02, and I had many of the same comments you're making here. My 09 just ran outta warranty, so I think it's time to push it.
the engine in the 2015-16 sti is the reason i will be buying the Focus RS
That wobble you feel while turning is from the brake pulsating which indicate the ASC is in work.
Hmm, no light shown so I don't think it's stability. Also it's a very light feeling. Perhaps the torque vectoring?
How about a vid on rev matching, heel/toe shifting and left foot breaking? (they're all related)
They need to add stiffer motor/transmission mounts. The movement of the shifter during that second launch is tremendous!
I'm waiting for the day Subaru starts making two door WRXs.
David F 1998 ;)
Cinadel You mean the BRZ?
No, BRZ isn't AWD. More like the 22b Impreza.
Cinadel if you enjoy the older styles 22b or even the R-STI
Why????
Dang, wish there was a parts list for this car. Really like the look. See front lip, mudflaps, and the tires look different.
That thing launches nicely. Well done.
Chance Dobbins Thanks! Basically cold tires, narrower than stock, and the road was a little damp. Still managed to haul! A little help from 3 LSDs haha.
Excellent camera views! Thanks!
I agree with Trent Hutchison. I have an 05 STi and you do have to really take your foot off if going WOT before you shift or else revs will ping out. Something I am still getting use to. As far as horsepower.... Japan sets HP limits on their cars for US models. What I found very interesting is the new WRX has "direct injection" bringing the HP at just shy of 260 with the STi at 305. Fuji Heavy Industries DID NOT do this for the STi model which would have shot the STi to around 350 off the assembly line. Which is what many would have liked to see. The difference of paying 9 grand more for an STi is not worth it. I was at COBB in socal watching this guy dyno tune his 2015 WRX. He had COBB cold air intake, TGV deletes, and a down pipe, with the custom tune was out $2,600 but gave him around 330HP. The direct injection should have been applied to the STi, but was not.
Meh.
COBB makes you upgrade your fuel system (injectors,pump,rails etc) to have a CAI and downpipe with you tune. MAPerforamnce has better maps, you can get a cai, downpipe and tune with stock fuel system. Basically, COBB is conservative, they'd rather you spend another $2K on a fuel system and their tune with a cai and downpipe then have a map dialed in right.....
That colour is amazing
Not sure if you're bad at driving a manual or if the clutch is slipping
I really like how this car looks for 2015
You neglected to mention that the OTS maps from Cobb are best used with having Cobb hardware (exhaust and such). Was the STI stock? In the two videos I saw you drive that particular STI you had only mentioned aftermarket wheels. A Stage 1 Protune dl'ed onto the AP will show much better results than the standard OTS map for that specific setup. If you don't have a different setup.. full turbo back from say Invidea, then a Protune would be best suited over the Cobb OTS Maps. The AP is a great tool to use but to get the most out of your build, pay the $450 for the protune and have that map put on the AP.
really love this type of review over the regular car reviews! any chance you could do this with a mazda speed 3?
Brett Barker I was thinking the same thing, the torque on those things are monstrous.
Brett Barker That would be awesome my man!! Not sure if he would being that 2013 was the last model year produced but it would be cool.
I own a 2013 speed 3 and love it but id love to know more about it thats why i was hoping hed do one!
I have seen a dyno and the gains from Cobb's stage 1 map are insignificant.
+IZOK I saw a dyno that showed no HP increase but did increased the torque by 10. That would make it hard to justify in my book.
+jrcu19 I own a 16 STi and there is a very significant change in driving from stock to stage 1. It's not necessarily faster, but when you take it out in real world scenarios (turning, as it turns out these aren't dragsters) the responsiveness and torque curve are absolutely noticeable.
jrcu19 the peak horsepower and peak torque gains aren't significant, but that's only part of the picture. What is made significantly better is increasing the hp/torque earlier in the rpms. If you compare the charts, while peak numbers might not change much, the area in the chart between the old chart and new chart is all gain at earlier rpms, which means a faster car.
I want one but I can't afford one right now as a 19 year-old! ): I'm going to stick with a new Jetta or some used GTI from 2006 and 2008 and work my way up! I also like Grand Cherokees and Wranglers
Johaziel that should be an excuse, save up, work on your credit then learn how to negotiate with a dealership (go towards the end of the month ). I’m 20 and I’m about to get mine!
Another reviewer on RUclips mentioned that the wobble in the steering was due to the torque / brake vectoring. I certainly noticed it on my test drive. Bought it anyways. :P
Loved the 'I just sprayed the windshield because they changed the way the thingy works, who cares'. As I'm going through the same motions here, coming from a 2004 WRX to a 2018 Outback, this part made me laugh quite a bit :)
I have the 2015 wrx with a stage 2 tune and I love driving my car but when I was at the dealership I really wanted to try and finance the 2015 STI but unfortunately I didn't have good enough credit to do so which sucks but I'm just happy to be driving a wrx which is still amazing, maybe I'll try again when they actually put a new motor in the STI.
alpinestarzR1000 You might enjoy this video: ruclips.net/video/7Dg3BeWFyys/видео.html&lc=z134zzw4curutjwyp04chxy4oqzgvj1jwl40k
6 years later. The sti is discontinued 😢
AS A FAN OF A SUBE I LOVE THIS MODEL & BEYONG
Always liked these cars but never seriously considered one because of concerns with engine durability. I've known a few people with stock cars that had problems with cracked piston ring landings. Then again one of my friends traded a wrx in that was tuned with full exhaust and cold air intake and he beat the bag out of that car and it never had any issues so who knows
does this review make you want to tune your '14?
God I love this channel. I just bought a 2018 wrx and I'm in love. I also didn't know you were in Oregon. I live around Portland, I'll look for you tooling around. =)
That gear shifter did a whole lot of shaking on that second 0-60
i drove a straight pipe 1994 lincoln town car for three years and it only got 350 miles per tank so i cant complain
Nice launch!
Thanks! Only tried it once with each map, luckily they were both okay!
Please review the 2016 whenever you can, been dying to see the interior difference and to see if there are power differences in a video of yours. Thank you
Miguel Reyes Interior differences will be minor, same power.
Looks so good in red
Planning on buying a 15 wrx sti in a few years unless I see something more appealing between now and then.
Gresham Oregon represent!
Pretty cool vid. Just wanted to give my $.02 about the wish for "more HP". Well, as an engineer, you must realize the constraints, and the fight between HP and longevity/stability on a production car designed to last a few years without a pit crew.
I think Subaru draws the line in a nice place, and I thought it was kind of naive to compare it to coupes that might have more HP, but are also much heavier, have crappy suspensions, and are despite the HP much slower.
I have a bike that only has 75 HP that will do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and only cost me 7 grand new. HP isn't everything.
You have to put it in the context of the big picture, and I am sure you agree that 300 HP despite being only 5 more than 5 years ago is probably one of the less important variables to change that will make a sportscar like this successful, and quick.
Databyter
Those are some funky knees brother.
dude...when the reviewer is just "wow"..."lol".."pwr"..."lol"..."wow"......HOW can you not want one!!!
A half-second difference in the exact same car seems pretty good. But yeah, I think it's a bit annoying the STI group is being so "conservative", but now that Mitsubishi is basically done with the EVO, there isn't really much competition anymore. The STI is, to my knowledge, the only car in its class for 2015. Ford and Volkswagen could easily join the competition if they wanted to.
Nice review on this Evo x
Great video man, very descriprive 👍
Add stage 1 and voila permanent smile...........................priceless.
RDM Portland Oregon represent
can you do a video on dccd and how it works? i'm sure there's some technical stuff that would be interesting from an engineering perspective
Nice Review. Thanks!
I own an '11 STi (sedan) and like it so much since day 1.
I actually achieve impressive MPG crusing at 120-125kph (3000rpm, 6th gear) very close to 8L per 100km. Try a honda fit at 120kph... you'll see what I mean.
Also, but note the least, I installed Bridgestone S04 and this made for a huge overall handling difference compare to the stock dunlop by significantly reducing the understeer to almost none. The initial turn in bit is a little less aggressive, but what a difference!
I just got a 2019 sti after owning a 2013 previously, I can attest to the steering feeling strange when you are trying to hold a certain angle. It feels like the electronic assist making the tires go back and forth slightly its really strange. That being said, I feel like the handling over all is improved pretty drastically over the previous generation. The steering rack is way tighter. The tune in the newer ones is more sensitive to octane, etc. It will pull timing under boost if it doesn't like the gas or its not getting the correct amount of air. The 2013 I had was way less sensitive. I only put 94 in it but when I got the car the dealership put in I believe regular gas, and the car hated it. I was pissed when I asked them what gas they filled it up eith and they weren't sure.
There is no electronic assist on sti , it's hydraulic steering :)
As an engineer, can you tell if the Cobb tune is better for the longevity and reliability of the engine? I have a regular WRX and my Cobb AP is sitting next to me. I've got 1,600 miles on it and it's siren call is drawing me in.
+Jimmy Lai Adding power adds stress to an engine. There's no way to get around that. Stress reduces longevity.
+Engineering Explained - Well, I was more referring to the stock Subaru tune. Cobb and other tuners say that they made their tunes more "safe". Have you had any issues so far or is everything running like it should be?
+Jimmy Lai This isn't my STI. I have not tuned mine, but its running great at 11K miles.
+Jimmy Lai - I have had a catless downpipe and the Cobb Stage 2 + SF intake tune on my 2008 STi since 33K miles. Car is at 120K miles now and running great! Stock clutch as well, but that must be a fluke.
yes use your accessport. power doesn't add stress, using the power adds stress. so don't drive hard all the time and there's where your longevity comes from. my stock '04 had ringland failure. there are many factors but basically SOA's tune can get stuck in open loop fueling under high boost Low rpm conditions. this removes the knock sensor from the equation and if you don't have an ap you can't see the values spike and you won't get out of the throttle. Cobb made it better. I recommend it for all subie owners. that's just the surface of the problem but should help you out.
WRX's and stickers seem meant for each other.
3:06 that curb rash is so depressing to look at.
Awesome video! Wish you were closer so you could review my stage 2 2015 WRX STI.
Honestly I have better mpg. Own a 19 wrx and it’s getting 21-23mpg running a 93 stage 1 tune. Even after heavy pulls and driving i get 20 mpg using shell v power gas 93 Oct.
Absolutely love this car
It feels like you are shifting to quickly, which adds to your 0-60 runs
I'm picking one up in October
Cloth seats forever
think this might be my next car
so is the cobb tune a good investment what other modifications would you recommend to get more horsepower ?
I'm with you on that I love the hatchbacks way more
Great review! Hope they bring the hatch back :/
Hey Jason, can you review the 2015 Mustang GT? I bet that V8 Coyote will pack a bigger punch then the STI.
Engineering Explained
I was wondering about Straight cut gears. What are they and how are they better than "standard" cut gears? Could you do a video on that or have I missed it? Thanks and I think you're great at explaining complex things about cars, I've learnt a lot from you.
They aren't better. Straight cut gears are noisy and loud. They also have to be built larger and stronger than helical cut gears. They are better for racing applications, where you don't care about long term longevity of the gears. Helical cut gears have more surface contact area and can handle higher torque loads with smaller gears. And they are very quiet.
This car isn't a drag racer, its supposed to turn. you can see the smile on his face.
Damn it looks good in red.
Looks AWESOME!!