4 years ago I saw this video and knew I was going to own a WRX someday. Got an '18 WRX 50th Anni one month ago, and I've never been happier. Thank you Engineering Explained, for always providing such good info. This isn't to say I like WRX more than STI, I love them both for their own uses! I just know that the WRX was the better car for me (and my bank account!)
+Engineering Explained great videos that you do, you should do a video called "what the 2018 sti should be" , and send it in to Subaru. 2.2l direct injection, twin scroll, maybe a half descent tune from the factory, just a few things to add to the wish list
Nice. Congrats. Were there any other cars you considered when you were making the choice on this one? I need a 4-door sedan with some balls and preferably AWD, so Subaru WRX was the first thing I thought of, but did you ever consider anything else comparable?
Bones12x2 I know it sounds crazy, but transmissions rule speed. While I cant speak to the strength of the WRX's trans it has a substantially longer gear ratio which in turn really benefits adding power vs the STI's nearly useless first gear which will become even more useless with a hundred or more horsepower attached, (I have driven a 450ish hp STI, wow I loved it but the trans, especially first is all but useless with power added) I prefer the running gear of the STI and the longer trans ratio's of the WRX. I myself have added power to a car with longer ratio's, say 52ish for first and let me tell you it helps tremendously when you add another 180 hp, which is why I would opt for my five speed over the six speed every time when power is involved. I have a 1993 3000gt VR4 with roughly the same if not a little bit more than that.....Like you said though I have not driven the newest STI or WRX, but traditionally the STI has had a very tight close ratio box, my memory may not serve me correctly, but I don't remember getting over 30-35 in first which is pretty bad......it may have been lower than that. Anyone that owns an STI feel free to correct me, plus I know you will anyway if I am wrong..lol I am glad that they have fully revised the WRX, hears to them shifting their attentions on the STI next.
kenmastersmaster And I'm telling you, you are full of shit. I post links all the time and I' sure I'm not the only one. They only mute posts over links for spamming, you idiot.
+TeaRex Just get an older one. I started with a 02 WRX before getting my 06 STi, I still miss my bugeye to this day. It might not have all the fancy dash guages but I promise you, it will still put a smile on your face.
Yeah man I agree, I got a 2017 sti about a month ago. It set me back $37,000 and first gear is pretty useless, also trying to cruise down my alleyway in 1st is so laggy it’s insane. The sti hates crawling and reverse wants to give too much power sending me out at almost 10mph in a second lol.
I like my WRX because I don't like a lot of noise while driving. You know, screaming, whining, and that dang burn from fingernails in my flesh. You get far less complaining from my spouse about ride quality and general harshness in the WRX.
+briansmobile1 I put a catback on mine and my girl started complaining about the noise every time she got in the car, so I took it back to the exhaust shop and straight piped it to drown out her annoying voice.
after 3 years of reading thinking and searching, I finally got a 2016 WRX last night,. This video definitely helped influence and confirm my thoughts. Thanks for the original content
dguy6789 not just in a straight line. It will brake better, handle better, and be faster in a straight line. The WRX is just so close to the STI already that it doesn't take much to make it better.
Last week I went to a local Subaru dealer fully intending to buy a new STI. I have previously owned a 2003 WRX that I liked very much...until it met an all-to-early demise at the hands of about 30' of highway barrier. (Simple accident, no antisocial behavior involved.) In the interim I have owned a 2002 Honda S2000 and a 2005 Crossfire SRT6 Roadster, both great, if hard edged, road cars. I decided upon the STI because I wanted more doors and trunk space while still retaining a high FTD (Fun-To-Drive) coefficient. Being on good terms with the dealer, and being an Old Fart (us grey haired types seem less threatening when we test their pricey performance vehicles) I was able to take an STI for a nice long test drive on varying road surfaces. It was pretty much what I expected, a no-compromise technological wonder of a modern performance car. Lots of power. Razor sharp handling. Superb braking. No disappointments. Just for grins I asked to take a 2016 WRX out to get a feel for differences. I noticed pretty quickly that I was having more fun driving the WRX. I didn't need to keep an eagle eye on the power band, and even though the suspension was multiple notches softer than the STI, body roll was minuscule and the car stuck like glue. The only let down was the brakes. The STI binders had the kind of stopping power and easy modulation that I had become used to in my previous cars (especially the SRT6, with its Xtra-Large-Pizza size discs). I think the WRX brakes are fine for the general public, but are a bit of a weak point on an otherwise amazing car in its current state. The final result is that I surprised myself by buying a Black 2016 WRX Premium. If I were going to be attending regular track days?...the STI would get the nod without a doubt. But I got racing out of my system years ago (hemorrhaging money for years on end is a cure for most of us). I suspect that many potential STI buyers will make the same decision, if they are honest with themselves. Don't get me wrong...I absolutely love the STI and am glad it exists. I just don't love it enough to buy it as a daily driver when the base WRX is so...darn...good. I am almost certain that there is a brake system upgrade in my future, however. ;-)
+Johnson Knowles Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I've previously owned a 2006 WRX and thought it was a great car that I'd like to have a again someday (the job market forced me to let it go). I tested an 06 STi back then and the acceleration difference seemed quite noticeable and put it on my dream car list for when I was making more money. It's good to know that I can go back to a WRX as a much improved car since then and the STI is not nearly as enchanting for a street car and the price bump.
Johnson Knowles so the answer is ultimately a wrx with bigger brakes/rotors. Still cheaper than an STI and pretty sure itd be fun to track once in a whilr
I wont be taking it to the track, but I still want the STI. I want the rumble, I want the better brakes, tuning and the driver controlled centre differential.
8grand is still a lot but it depends on how much you think is worth it. I think they are more with it new but used forget it. The STi is stupidly higher than the same year WRX limited and still either $6grand more with the same miles OR the same price but it will have 40-50k more miles on it. You really can't win lol The Wrx is the original and a great car. If you want to be a tuner and go to the track all the time and beat the living piss out of it, the STi is the car for you. If you want to have fun and still go fast but use it as a daily driver for work and such. The WRX is for you but the best part is. You can still take and mod up a WRX it just may cost you more money and the tranni isn't as robust.
Man, I just want that sick spoiler. I wish they spec'd the WRX with that spoiler. Or just a different sexy spoiler over all. A WRX without a spoiler looks freakin' naked and mundane.
Really appreciate your WRX reviews. You are partially to blame for my purchase of a '15 WRX Sedan recently. Already started mods, dig it immensely! Thanks Jason
Nice review! I used to sell Subarus, and I told my customers the same thing. The clutch is also more sensitive in the STI, for obvious reasons, which is a disadvantage in peak traffic/slow driving conditions.
Great review! You really swayed my decision in getting the STI. Here I sat thinking I wanted the STI just for the extra HP and torque but I didn't know there was such a large difference in weight and peak torque. The only point that raised concern with getting the WRX is the fact that it's already running high boost levels and high compression ratios because I was planning on tuning it
This is the kind of review that separates your channel from the rest. Very relevant and interesting. Would love to watch some comparison videos such as WRX v/s GTI, R v/s STI etc.
Just traded in my 2014 Veloster for a 2017 WRX. Wow, what an amazing difference in low end torque. 1st and 2nd gear are ridiculously responsive. The torque reduces significantly with each gear past 3rd, but like this video states, this car is amazing on the street with wicked acceleration off a dead start.
Oh man, I guess you are the first American to ever tell how important fuel economy is! THANK YOU!!! Usually, you guys never look to the other side of the atlantic where gas has the double or even triple price! You deserve a new subscriber!
Despite having grown up with two mechanics in my family, I am not tech savvy when it comes to the guts of a car, even though I consider myself a car person. I have friends who are true car people and they can talk about engines and exhausts and transmissions all day and I still have a very poor grasp on what they are talking about. I really appreciate the very clear and detailed breakdown of differences between these two cars and the pros and cons of each. Also, even as us an unsavvy car person, I can still appreciate the beauty that is the WRX/STI. This is my dream car. Thank you for this video. You just made me love it even more :)
My stock 2015 STI with 100k mi warranty is exactly what I wanted. I have no desire to modify my daily driver so I wanted the top performer. The much nicer suspension, drivetrain, brakes, wheels and tires, and more power checks all the boxes for me. All I wanted was a really fun hoon machine. At the end of the day I probably would have been just as happy with the WRX, but thats not what I wanted.
Trevor Wray So you pretty much gave Subaru an extra 8 grand, good for you. They gave you a WRX that's heavier and less fuel economy. Brakes/Tires are irrelevant because you don't need all of that if you're not going onto a track. STI has literally 0 benefits unless you plan to make it a track car. You should've just went with a maxed out WRX that'll be as quick as a stock STI and have more features.
Sure, your logic seems all well and good, but I did not enjoy driving the wrx. You may not understand why I bought an STI, that's fine as your opinion holds little value to me. I'm fk'n happy with my purchase just like I assume you are with your wrx.
Sure, it might not translate into seconds on a race track, but what it really does is transform the feel of the car. I prefer how the sti drives. Simple as that, I don't think I wasted any money. I have no buyers remorse and the fact I smile every time I drive this car makes it 100% worth it
kenmastersmaster wooow you are small minded :O Just because you did those mistakes doesn't mean everybody who gets an STI will follow your path. And you clearly lack basic human communication skills. Trevor clearly stated he DOES NOT want to mod his car in any way, and yet 80% of your comments are about which one can handle what parts and this much power blah blah blah - guess what, nobody_cares.jpg And cool you install a cobb exhaust, and you think that the sound it makes is the most important aspect? lol. I'm sorry subaru have to deal with customers like you. No wonder they didn't honor the warranty, you clearly don't know how to appreciate fine engineering. You just want what sounds the best and goes the fastest, never think of the consequences. A simple chip tune can destroy a car if it's not done properly, and even if it is done by specialists it is not a safe guarantee it won't damage something sooner or later. That is why companies make their chips so conservative, to not risk any damage to the engine during the warranty time. And guess what, the same goes for the engineering of the car. Of course if you mod it then subaru can't hold their warranty claim because you broke their engine layout with mods. Trevor here talks about performance feel, how he bonds with the car, how he feels while driving. And you call him a brand whore?! What he has got is true enthusiast spirit. And how come you only talk about the track? How about the more advanced underbody of the STI, its better AWD system, its better gearbox, its better suspension, better brakes. And let me tell you, in real world scenarios you want good brakes too, not just on the track. If you head down from a mountain pass then you want to be absolutely sure you can rely on your brakes all the way to the end, and that they don't suddenly start to fade which could end up in a serious crash both in summer and winter conditions. In the end you have no respect for one man's choice, and all I see you do here is to bash on everyone liking the STI - as if you are a god to judge everyone's decisions and personal taste. Which is why you don't deserve any respect yourself. You are a narrow-minded and arrogant fool, that's all you are. Trevor Wray btw Trevor love your "Lol" comment :D about sums up the amount of communication that Kenmastermaster is able to comprehend :'D
Had a 06 sti. Blew up on me. I'm in a 2019 WRX Raiu Edition now. Modding the hell out of it as well. The FA20 motor is a welcome change. Probably won't buy another sti ever again. Tired of the old engine and the new one replacing it is gonna be hybrid. Enjoy the hell out of my WRX though :')
Damn! I clicked on the link thinking it was just a superficial review. Instead, you outlined many nuances. Keep it going. Your reviews are better and more informative than the automotive magazines that I read.
I remember obsessively watching this video and wishing I’d have an STI… day dreaming working at Panda Express all day…. it’s been 6 years and here I am sitting in my STI on my lunch break. Man time flies 😢
And here I am, working 3-4 years, a failure in life, stuck woth parents house mortgage debt, no education other than high school because I'm simply not built for learning in academics, 23 years old, work at a gas station $15 and hour. Wish I had some money for a sport car. 😔
The prices are so reasonable now that I realized I could get an STi. BUT the reason I got the WRX is the new engine. The MUCH newer tech sold it. Direct enjection, twin scroll, better torque curve, and actually decent fuel economy. The area under the torque curve is current BMW good. Also, coming from a 2011 WRX, this new chassis is lively and fun. The chassis is stiffer and the unsprung weight is lower. The car is mechanically tuned more neutral and can rely on the more sophisticated electronic stability control to save you. It also uses torque vectoring on the front axle which has a secondary effect of limiting inside wheel spin on that open diff. The seats are better and the interior is a bit nicer than my 2011. I do miss the 5-door utility and distinctive character of the previous gen. The hard hit of the turbo ond the long gear pulls were fun in their own way, but the front end would slide around if you werent being conscious of keeping it in check. Looks... new one gets lost in the parking lot. So, yeah. I agree with you 100%. It's all about the new engine. AND good handling with a good ride quality.
Patrick Ford My main decider was that the STI would put me into the sports car insurance bracket and WRX didn't. that was a money over time issue for me
kkthxk to be fair, that was from bad lots of castings. It wasn't an engineering problem, it was a manufacturing problem that got sorted. Faulty engines failed and were fixed. Subsequent batches of pistons were fixed in manufacturing. If a car had that problem it wouldn't be on the road, or you'd know it from a test drive. I wouldn't worry about buying an old ej20 or ej25 if it's still running and you can test it. New ones, no problem.
Birmingham Man Rixstaa not money pits. I've had three wrx. Very reliable. kkthxk were those stock STis? I could see that lean burn happening if they were tuned to push the boost beyond what the injectors were able yo keep up with.
Asariel Maradiaga yes its possible actually wouldnt be that hard because they are the same chassis and similar engines ........... although r you going to buy 2 brand new Subarus and tear them apart probably not
But is there more things that can go wrong with the newer WRX engines? Awesome video. This dude loves cars, and can use science to blow you away. It's like if Bill Nye was in Fast and Furious.
Thanks for making this video! It’s sort of hard to determine all the differences and compare, but you organized all the important info into this video and I really appreciate it. Going to get a WRX this year, with any luck
Dennis King I use to think like you. I would recommend you going to Subaru dealer and get an up close and personal look at the new Rex/Sti. The front end looks way more aggressive than previous gen and the body kit/side skirts look sick. On top of that the driving experience is much better too. I had 2014 Wrx and traded it for a new one and theres no way i would go back even though the 11-14 isnt a bad car by any means but these new ones are better in every category.
Personally, if you buy a car for the way it looks, then you are looking to impress others. It's like working out to impress chicks rather than working out to be healthy. Granted, every new car looks the same these days, interior is much more important. You don't drive a car from the outside, you spend all your time inside. I went and looked at a 2016 STi today and was blown away from the interior improvements. All the previous models had more plastics than a Lego castle and looked cheap. I'm now looking into buying a new STi just because the interior and chassis improvements over previous generations.
I understand what you mean. But we are talking about the Subaru wrx / sti specifically. So no I didn't buy the wrx to impress others. I just think the new wrz/sti looks a little less "aggressive" than previous models. That's all. I chose a subie wrx because it is overall a good car in every aspect including the aggressive look that came with it until 2016.
Dennis King Didn't everyone say that about the 11-14s? And before that the 08-10s? Lol can Subaru never win? When it comes to looks many people will say no. But you'll get used to it and love the fact that it is a WRX, all in good time my friend.
+Thinking Commas , congrats! I picked up a 2016 lapis blue wrx 3 weeks ago and still no regrets. I didn't really trust the new 2.0 motor but performance wise its tuned perfectly and that twin scroll turbo has almost zero lag. If it ends up being reliable I will never regret getting the base wrx
I just wanna share my opinion since this is extremely relevant for me. I remember watching this video a few months after getting my first Subaru, my 2015 WRX and being extremely ecstatic. This video really helped reaffirm that I made the right choice at the time to be more economic in multiple aspects, including financial. The car served me amazing through the years, but in time a serious issue began to present itself. I always wanted an STi ever since test driving one back when I was 18, but I didn't want to get rid of my other car at the time, so that seed had planted itself and was always there, slowly growing. This was the exact reason I ended up getting a WRX to finally nourish that original desire. This was the issue though, that seed wasn't truly being nourished and I ultimately realized I still wanted that STi... So here I sit now with $20,500 for my WRX and about to go get a 2016 STi Limited with ONLY 27,700 miles for $29,990 and the previous owner did over $8,000 grand of custom work to it and treated it like it was his child, even kept it in a garage at all times. I'll tell you, the joy I felt test driving this thing before putting my deposit was in a whole different category of what the WRX gave me, especially with all the custom mods already installed. My advice, if you have to wait, especially financially..then wait, but keep in mind, that desire will always be there until you get it out of you system. I literally can't believe I'm about to finally own my 18 year old selves desired car, and it's that beautiful electric blue.
I'm considering saving up for a hyperblue. Trying to talk myself into a wrx. What I'm telling myself is, I want the extra lsds living out in the corn fields in a place can get a foot or two snow overnight. What I want from the wrx is the mpg. I figure the turbo lag could be addressed in the future with a variable vane turbo upgrade in the sti. So. After a year or so, do you feel the switch was still worth it? Any quick pros and cons?
People forgetting the STI's transmission alone is worth 6k or more....yeah, you can easily make the WRX faster than the STI, but he transmission of the WRX is not the same as the STI's. That's not even mentioning the 6 piston brembo brakes....especially comparing to the 2019-20 STIs. Not to even leave out the suspension...lol. Lastly, more differentials.....not as simple as it is guys, sorry.
I got a 2019 sti daily driver stage 2 tune this thing is a beast and great every day driver you can drive like a normal car but very hard to lol I'm 49 and this is one of my favorites of all the cars I owned
I think this is a point where you and I can agree is the STI version from that year forward is more of a boomer type of car performance on the road and a lot of other things it's super in spring and what you're talking about is stuff that you guys think about now. The thing we all have to realize we all love the cars and we all love the amenities and thankfully we all appreciate your contributions to all of these interests
II spend a day with a 2020 STI and here is the big difference the STI has to be at 4,000 RPM or it feels slow. The WRX feels faster around town and. quickly darting out. Also the ride is more harsh with the STI. The STI handles significantly better around corners. Also, the 19 inch wheels looks great worth the big calipers. The deal breaker for me was the engine and huge turbo lag.
C Diff (Clostridium difficile) is something you have to look at everyday sitting in the car coz it's written next to the gear lever in bold letters. Anyone in the medical field will know about it. (But... I still like the WRX STI..!)
In terms of tuning the STi isn’t any better. In terms of bolt ons/tune the WRX will actually make more hp and torque then the STi will. A local tuner shop just pumped out 353 whp out of a 2016 WRX, full bolt ons, stock turbo, and only 93 octane. You’re lucky to hit 320 whp with a FBO stock turbo STi on 93, and again, a much more narrow power band. That WRX makes over 30 more peak power while having twice the usable torque curve. The STi only really shines if you are going to build a track car, for daily use/basic tuning the WRX is the superior car by a long shot. The fa20 also has a much better reliability record, ej257’s are still spinning rod bearings and cracking ringlands off the showroom floor.
Wrx owners must slam the Sti because they have "better fuel economy" "better daily driver". Wrx owners secretly all want the Sti with more power, better exhaust note, superior steering rack, brembo brakes, c.diff versatility and a track car that is also a great daily driver. It's the beast of the bunch. Enjoy your wrx, it's a great car, but it's not an STi
The clinically pessimistic depressed republican low life is back?:) You are the best. Keep your bloated fat factory working belly back at Burger King. May I suggest an SNRI instead of an SSRI for your depression. One has far less weight gain. Keep following my posts you desperate cork soaker.
Why are you addressing me you *butthurt* clown? Your obsolete car makes 30hp more than a WRX and that's only because Subaru had to detune the WRX for walking all over the STi with it's updated technology and drivetrain. *Why do you think Subaru already implemented EPS and an FA20 in the upcoming 2018 STi? Because they know it's superior and only carried over the EJ because Subaru is cheap and has about 50,000 EJs left in their warehouse they have to get rid of.* The STi already has brake vectoring just like the WRX. You literally have no clue about anything and only bought the Sti because it was cheaper than another Audi and you couldn't pony up for any options because you couldn't afford it. Lets see a real video of your cars you clown! Not a powerpoint presentation of cars you *used to own*
Not sure how relevant this is now. But I’ve owned a 2015 WRX back in 2018 and sold it in 2020. Keep in mind this was my only car at the time. I feel if you’re strictly looking for a great all around car that you can have fun with daily and gets great mpgs for what it is. WRX all day long. The power comes down low so it makes it a real pleasant experience just going around town. Fast forward a few cars. I’ve owned a 2022 GR86 base and a 2023 Premium before I decided to let it go for a 2017 STI. Now that I have my sti, I love it 10 times more then my WRX, transmission, steering, brakes feel way more engaged. More power up top Instead of down low. Butttt, this is not my daily driver and more of my weekend car 2-3 days out of the week. If you want to compare the two. I say personally, as your only car, the WRX is a better overall car. If you have a daily already and plan to have it as your “fun” car. A pre owned sti is lovely.
I bought the 2015 WRX on March 24, 2015, and I liked it coming from my GTI, but on October 9, 2017, I changed it into my STI and the sensations that car gives me back are making me feel if I would ever want to change it. Yes, I bought it for the sound, but then the whole driving experience feels so different, so much more driver oriented. And those are a matter of taste. My wife also prefers the quietness of the WRX. I, on the other hand, think that a Catback Cobb exhaust will have an even better sound than my SPT Subaru exhaust. Rational drivers are ok picking the WRX, passionate drivers, please drive an STI, feel it, hear it, before you pick the WRX. Yes, again my fuel efficiency was 26.7MPG ODO in my WRX, my STI has 20.7 MPG, but with a happiness that I would not achieve if the next generation STI loses the rumble. If so, this wonderful car will have to stay with me for as long as I live. Thank you, Subaru for having made a car that in numbers might not be that good, but on the character made tell my wife when she asked me which car would be a better one, I sincerely told her a manual 911. Also, maybe not the last ones, because for me the sound is part of the driving experience.
I just got a new 2019 Sti a month ago and I LOVE it I don’t mind the whole gas thing and for me Yes it’s Worth 8k more Especially the Sound it makes it’s just a more old School growl sound. Also it’s a STi and Not a WRX bragging Rights😎
Thank you for the information between the 2! I recently just bought a WRX instead of the STI version. Drove it to Vegas from Los Angeles, the mpg did not disappoint me. I love this car and it is so fun to drive! 4-door 5 seater, Perfect car for mee! My first ever sports car with 6speed manual transmission!
We're driving conservatively? Or did you give use the boost every so often on your drive? I'm looking at getting a WRX, but a lot of the reviews online say the MPG is bad.
Picked up a 2016 WRX a couple weeks ago and couldn't be happier with it. Definitely agree with your points made between the WRX/STI. Coming from a 135i(6 spd/M Sport), the WRX is much more practical for both daily and back road cornering. The 135i was fun, but even stock you need a track to get close to it's full potential..
The biggest thing for me is the UEL headers, I'm sorry but that is just how a subaru is supposed to sound; I understand the wrx needs the equal length to have the twin scroll but I just wouldn't be able to buy a subaru having it sound like a honda. Also how were you able to get 26 mpg in the sti? Mine only gets 22.5 average
Bryan Veloso Im not trying to hate on honda's by any means, I own a 2012 si and absolutely love it, I'm just saying for me the biggest appeal of a subaru is the boxer rumble and having equal length headers definitely takes a way from that a huge amount.
+ShotsDesignsHD i couldn't agree more, i own a 2016 WRX! but i used to love the 2006-2012 honda Si's! and again i couldnt agree more about the rumble but if it mean a more reliable but still quick vehicle by all means ill take it! And much love for driving an si and not an ex lol
+KainOriginal it's really not, watch some exhaust videos of them; at idle sure they have the boxer noise but under any sort of load it's just like any other 4 cylinder, I'm talking a nice honda not someones 1.8 liter with a fartcan on it.
kenmastersmaster Are you kidding? The only reason people talk about the electric power steering on the WRX is because it doesn't absolutely suck. No one ever talks about the hydraulic power steering because it is just assumed that it will be better, and when the electric comes close, people are surprised. No one has ever said the steering on the WRX is better, because, well, it isn't. People praise the WRX for being good, but it still isn't nearly as good as the hydraulic 13:1 on the STI. The EJ may be an antique, but it is proven, and it works. And are you seriously trying to tell me that open diffs are better than the STI's LSD at the front and rear? Oh, I would just love to hear you explain to me how the open diffs on the WRX are superior....
No I called the gtr's front diff a weak pos because it has a reputation for breaking. And that civic wasn't a production car either. We will see if the actual car can uphold its record... You don't seem to understand that the wrx also has a front and center diff... They are just open diffs not lsds...(well the front anyways). Why are we even discussing the civic, who gives a shit. It has no bearing on the difference between the wrx and the sti. Fact, the sti is faster. Sure we can add mods to each car, but there is a reason people that race them will chose the sti every time. It's simply a better car. No amount of calling it names will take that away. The sti will be the choice for pros and the wrx will be had by bros. I don't need to justify anything. Go racing. The sti wins, all your technology bs is irrelivent if it is slower. I can mod an sti too... And I am typing quickly on a tablet. Pointing out typos will get you no where. Sounding like a 14 year old and returning to base name calling just shoes how immature and uniformed you are.
Really, try googling "common r35 gtr prblems" and see what comes up. But yeah, I would love to own one. That's the first thing you have been right about. Comparing modded cars is pointless. I have been in 1000hp Forester's that are faster than any 500hp wrx. That doesn't mean shit because the cars are modded. Stock vs stock, the sti is faster... And yes, viscous auto corrects to viscus on my shitty Packard Bell tablet running Windows 95, but I am not in a public library, I'm in your mom's bed getting some head. And she just swallowed so its time to pass out.
First video I've seen of yours. That being said, one of the best review/comparisons I've seen on RUclips to date. Very concise and practical for the everyday person. Well done Engineering Explained
Very well explained .. Thanks for this review .. More tourqu at only 2,000 rpm .. The wrx would be much more fun to drive around town and in traffic .. Just daily driving .. I have a gt350 and i can only rarely stretch it out .. So I'd be happier to have more torque down low where I use the same rpm the most daily driving .. Balls to the walls driving is fun but how many times do we all get to have that fun ? I'd pick the wrx
This. This change was not needed. It's part of why the torque band is lower with the newer engine (twin scroll turbo doesn't like UELs) but no one floors it at 2300 rpm and expects a mountain of thrust anyway. Now the WRX sounds like every 4-cylinder boringmobile on the road, in addition to its lack of feel and character compared to a previous-gen. I wonder what mpg the FA20F would achieve were it connected to an STI's beefy drivetrain.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it sounds like you have surprisingly strong opinions about emissions for a car guy. I like it, I thought I was the only one.
WRX owner here. STI handles better, brakes better and has a way stronger trans. But with the WRX you can upgrade brakes and upgrade suspension, but not the steering. But personally I think the FA20F is the superior engine as far as performance, reliability, and potential for tuning. The turbo is better and I believe the internals/block is stronger than the EJ25.
Funny...I used to own an s2000 a few yrs back. Too many break-ins and vandalism to my car(the haters really hated it)so I let it go >:-(....My husband got a Prius that he later gave to me and I have been nagging him about me getting an STI since. It's painful to think about the sticker price but 2020 is the year I say goodbye to saving gas but gladly ")
Both new WRX and STI are performing great in their own way, but my God they look ugly now. They might be more advanced, efficient and economic, but their design is just hideous. I mean, just look at that...shape. Where did that 22b beauty go? It's just sad.
I own a 2015 STI and my friend owns a 2015 WRX. I 100% agree with your assessment. My plan was always to modify and track my STi, and it was the correct choice for me, but the way my friend's WRX pulls at low RPMs is incredibly fun and impressive. For someone who does not plan to highly modify their car, the WRX is the clear choice. However, the one absolutely required upgrade is 18 inch wheels and 245/40 R18 tires, which are now an easy to add factory option on the 2016 WRX. I believe that package includes inverted struts as well, giving you the awesome wheels and suspension and the awesome new motor in a factory package.
jackson sun yea its on order as well, also accessport with mishimoto intake is coming too, bought a killer b catless down pipe + midpipe from someone on nasioc.
Drive both and decide. I did, and picked the STI. Wasn't even close. And I don't care about fuel economy or range. If I did, I'd not be looking at a performance vehicle.
WallyKurtz Saying you don't care about fuel economy while looking at performance vehicles is such a dated opinion. You can have both, and why wouldn't you want it? It's silly to say you don't care about the money you spend. Will you pay for my gas too?
Engineering Explained Because I haven't done the research, which car can boast 300+ hp and better than 23 mpg, while supporting mechanical, symmetrical AWD? Take out the parasitic losses of real AWD (and its additional weight) and yeah, there's a bevy of 300hp/30mpg cars out there. But when you're talking about the package, there are few (if any) that are in the price range of an STI. Don't get me started on Subaru's AWD vs. the Haldex AWD systems and such.
I just got my 17 WRX in WR Blue pearl, that FA20 engine comes to life when you give it a little gas. It still has that juicy signature boxer rumble too
I've had a 17 WRX with lots of mods done to it before some lady decided she'd crash into my car, anyways Subaru said they'd be able to transfer over the warranty from my old car to a brand new STI. so waiting to pick up my new STI soon. test drove it an can already tell you that the STI puts a bigger smile on my face. taken I can also use the same modifications I did on the WRX to the STI as well.
So will the WRX engine deteriorate faster than the STI because of the higher compression? Great video, love the break down and a completely interesting and unbiased view of the two cars traits.
The WRX is a great sporty car but the STI is a legend for good reason. The STI is far better everywhere it counts if you want to go fast. Far superior brakes, wheels, transmission, diffs- 2 of which don't even exist on a WRX, steering, suspension, seats, DCCD, and an engine with more top end power. Stock vs stock an STI is significantly faster in a straight line and around a track. Yes you can 'mod' a WRX, but you can start with a far superior platform in an STI, and mod that too. A WRX needs to be heavily modded to even come close to overcoming all these short comings and still will never be the STI's equal. A WRX limited is within a few bucks of a base STI, not to mention the STI has some items you still won't get on a limited WRX. (Dual zone climate control for example) And as far as engine failures, it has a ton to do with how you treat the motor. I've owned 3 EJs and have had ZERO issues. So if we're just talking about saving a few MPGs, go buy a Prius and get a used STI as your fun car. The only thing a WRX is 'better' at is compromising performance to save a few bucks.
Elguap08 why all the hate? the dude already agreed with you that the sti is the better car lol. either way, wrx is still a subaru. either one is fine. both can be modified. dont forget that the sti has ringland problems
Damn someone's bitter. Idiodic "impulse purchase", huh? sounds like you're projecting . casio tech - your lame ass, base wrx sucks. 340whp can be made on an sti with a flash and a down pipe. When you're tucking a Built closed deck short block and getting 600+ WHP then you can open your mouth, but even then you'll realize that if you did achieve those numbers, the transmission in your baby smurf cant hang.. So, you can go back to being angery and puting around in your bolted blue corola and hating STI owners.
At the end of the day, you are in your shiny new WRX at a stop light and an STI comes by I am sure you would want to know how it feels to be in the STI when it whips you.
+dushyantx Except in a straight line they're pretty equal... In my own testing I did 0-60 in 5.5 in the STI, closer to 5 seconds in the WRX. 1/4 mile times are close as well as trap speeds. They also have very similar 5-60 times, which is what you'd probably see more often as most people probably won't be clutch dumping at each stop light.
The WRX has been catching up and for the price is certainly better now, if you don't plan to mod the car, then still the STI . I am the original owner of a 2005 STI. I test drove a 2015 STI used with 13,000km. Now my car has been tuned to around 375 bhp, but my car feels way faster than the new one stock. I have had all my maintenance at this dealership, so the manager came with me for the drive and encouraged me to really test it. Now of course this 2015 would probably be a bit faster if it had the same mods as my car. But really in 10 years now, not much has changed on the STI. I think that's why I still have my STI. I have had no real reason to get a new model. Mine looks more obnoxious now that I'm 40, but still looks pretty cool under a white streetlamp. They need to make the STI look wild again bump it to 400bhp. People have been modding their STI to this level for years with no problems. Lots of people way higher. But I have rarely read any posts in the forums of people having problems with mildly modded cars. It wouldn't add much to production costs. Slightly larger stock turbo, larger fuel injectors/pump. With it factory tuned.
Reed L id rather get the base model and put the flagship model parts in, its funner and cheaper that way plus you get to learn everything about your car all while saving money on insurance
Reed L I don't have a BMW. I have a WRX. Don't just assume things. Don't you understand that with most japanese cars, the ones from factory command top dollar? Like take a built Skyline GTS and compare it to a Skyline GTR. Or a built N/A Supra and compare it to a Supra Turbo? Which is worth more over time assuming you matched the performance difference? People pay more for an all original car. Granted the STi is not loads better than a WRX, but if you keep it all stock the STi has a slight advantage.
Great video, I've been killing myself on which trim for the longest time. This help make my decision much easier. Picked up my 2016 WRX Yesterday and drove 150 miles home. Right on with the MPG at 33MPG. Couldn't be happier.
I drove the STI and the WRX. I like the WRX more. It's direct injected, it has a duel scroll turbo and the lag is eliminated due to equal exhaust pulses. The STI still has a little bit of lag. It has six gears which is a big step. It does well for fuel economy when I want to save fuel. And I have the same fuel economy as the STI when I'm speeding. The boost levels are higher.... but it makes it challenging to tune the car. The coms are if I want to on the track I would have to speed more money to equate the performance level as the STI. But to be honest, I want Subaru to get rid of the EJ25 and convert over to FA25 if all possible. The rumble is all the effects of uel headers which does no good for making power.
+CrazySajan Do you like it more than the 2014 in term of design. I actually can't decided which design I like more. The 2016 look too similar body wise to the corolla so I'm kind of not happy.
CrazySajan I was wrong but at first glance the body chasis look like a Corolla but upon further comparison for both cars side by side, it is not the same body. However I like the 2014 body more. It feel less high and feel more like a street racer. However, the new Corolla is very good looking so that not really a complete insult to the WRX. I can't wait till I test drive one!
This is a dilemma I'm facing. Question: I know the STI is classified as a sports car as far as registration and insurance. Is the WRX considered in the same class?
is the sti trans still stronger, that was somthing i didnt think about when i had my 12, tuned it and then realized i capped out the trans gears, where as the sti had a stronger trans, and would of allowed me to continue on.
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4 years ago I saw this video and knew I was going to own a WRX someday. Got an '18 WRX 50th Anni one month ago, and I've never been happier. Thank you Engineering Explained, for always providing such good info. This isn't to say I like WRX more than STI, I love them both for their own uses! I just know that the WRX was the better car for me (and my bank account!)
I keep watching this over and over, picking up my '17 WRX in 2 weeks!
Congrats on your new ride!
Thank you! Your video helped me make my decision! =)
I remember what that was like. Congrats man!
+Engineering Explained great videos that you do, you should do a video called "what the 2018 sti should be" , and send it in to Subaru. 2.2l direct injection, twin scroll, maybe a half descent tune from the factory, just a few things to add to the wish list
Nice. Congrats. Were there any other cars you considered when you were making the choice on this one? I need a 4-door sedan with some balls and preferably AWD, so Subaru WRX was the first thing I thought of, but did you ever consider anything else comparable?
I could not agree more referring specifically to the 2015/16 models
STI= Track and or heavy tuning
WRX = Daily and mild tuning
Bones12x2 I know it sounds crazy, but transmissions rule speed. While I cant speak to the strength of the WRX's trans it has a substantially longer gear ratio which in turn really benefits adding power vs the STI's nearly useless first gear which will become even more useless with a hundred or more horsepower attached, (I have driven a 450ish hp STI, wow I loved it but the trans, especially first is all but useless with power added) I prefer the running gear of the STI and the longer trans ratio's of the WRX. I myself have added power to a car with longer ratio's, say 52ish for first and let me tell you it helps tremendously when you add another 180 hp, which is why I would opt for my five speed over the six speed every time when power is involved. I have a 1993 3000gt VR4 with roughly the same if not a little bit more than that.....Like you said though I have not driven the newest STI or WRX, but traditionally the STI has had a very tight close ratio box, my memory may not serve me correctly, but I don't remember getting over 30-35 in first which is pretty bad......it may have been lower than that. Anyone that owns an STI feel free to correct me, plus I know you will anyway if I am wrong..lol I am glad that they have fully revised the WRX, hears to them shifting their attentions on the STI next.
kenmastersmaster SMDH. You can add full links on RUclips now. For about the last 2 years.
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And I'm telling you, you are full of shit. I post links all the time and I' sure I'm not the only one. They only mute posts over links for spamming, you idiot.
+kenmastersmaster Douchebag.
I'd be happy by just affording a Subaru Impreza..
+TeaRex Just get an older one. I started with a 02 WRX before getting my 06 STi, I still miss my bugeye to this day. It might not have all the fancy dash guages but I promise you, it will still put a smile on your face.
Got a few requirements.. 2011 or newer..
+TeaRex why?
Thomas Cocks Why the requirements?
TeaRex yea why 2011 or newer?
WRX is already great!
-Fuel effecient (as opposed to the STI)
-Less laggy
-Also a good daily car.
Yeah I had a WRX that Was Laggy had a more late torque
Yeah man I agree, I got a 2017 sti about a month ago. It set me back $37,000 and first gear is pretty useless, also trying to cruise down my alleyway in 1st is so laggy it’s insane. The sti hates crawling and reverse wants to give too much power sending me out at almost 10mph in a second lol.
I like my WRX because I don't like a lot of noise while driving. You know, screaming, whining, and that dang burn from fingernails in my flesh. You get far less complaining from my spouse about ride quality and general harshness in the WRX.
Sorry to hear about your spouse. Maybe you can return her??
65PontiacTempest I imagine she's non refundable and would result in a major loss for him.
+briansmobile1 drive louder so you hear less complaining. yessss
+barples lol
+briansmobile1 I put a catback on mine and my girl started complaining about the noise every time she got in the car, so I took it back to the exhaust shop and straight piped it to drown out her annoying voice.
after 3 years of reading thinking and searching, I finally got a 2016 WRX last night,. This video definitely helped influence and confirm my thoughts. Thanks for the original content
what'd you pay?
+soxfantony773 Nothing.
Hows it holding up
WRX with STi spoiler = happy me
+dayway05
Just don't.
+Charles Bradford Why would you refrain yourself from doing so'?
Thats what im doing.. $8k for more turbo lag? LOL no thanks
+Bill Freedman
You mean $8k for a better car? Pretending to be an STI isn't cool but if you like being a poser and playing pretend, go right ahead.
Also, If I was that worried about what people think of adding 3 letters on, then I'd buy an STI..
the STI is 8 grand more than the WRX?
If I spend 8 Grand more on my WRX, it'd be faster than the STI lol.
dguy6789 1000 in that car and beat a gtr probably only once after that it explodes
I have a corolla.. tell me, on what mods do I spend the $1000 in order to be faster than a GT-R??lol
You have poor estimation skills lol
Add an extra 0 to that 1000 :P
Probably will take $10,000 to make a Corolla as fast as a GTR straight line wise.
dguy6789 not just in a straight line. It will brake better, handle better, and be faster in a straight line. The WRX is just so close to the STI already that it doesn't take much to make it better.
Bought a ‘16 sti recently, and I look forward to driving it every morning.
Last week I went to a local Subaru dealer fully intending to buy a new STI. I have previously owned a 2003 WRX that I liked very much...until it met an all-to-early demise at the hands of about 30' of highway barrier. (Simple accident, no antisocial behavior involved.)
In the interim I have owned a 2002 Honda S2000 and a 2005 Crossfire SRT6 Roadster, both great, if hard edged, road cars. I decided upon the STI because I wanted more doors and trunk space while still retaining a high FTD (Fun-To-Drive) coefficient.
Being on good terms with the dealer, and being an Old Fart (us grey haired types seem less threatening when we test their pricey performance vehicles) I was able to take an STI for a nice long test drive on varying road surfaces. It was pretty much what I expected, a no-compromise technological wonder of a modern performance car. Lots of power. Razor sharp handling. Superb braking. No disappointments.
Just for grins I asked to take a 2016 WRX out to get a feel for differences. I noticed pretty quickly that I was having more fun driving the WRX. I didn't need to keep an eagle eye on the power band, and even though the suspension was multiple notches softer than the STI, body roll was minuscule and the car stuck like glue. The only let down was the brakes. The STI binders had the kind of stopping power and easy modulation that I had become used to in my previous cars (especially the SRT6, with its Xtra-Large-Pizza size discs). I think the WRX brakes are fine for the general public, but are a bit of a weak point on an otherwise amazing car in its current state.
The final result is that I surprised myself by buying a Black 2016 WRX Premium. If I were going to be attending regular track days?...the STI would get the nod without a doubt. But I got racing out of my system years ago (hemorrhaging money for years on end is a cure for most of us). I suspect that many potential STI buyers will make the same decision, if they are honest with themselves.
Don't get me wrong...I absolutely love the STI and am glad it exists. I just don't love it enough to buy it as a daily driver when the base WRX is so...darn...good. I am almost certain that there is a brake system upgrade in my future, however. ;-)
Congrats on your new ride! I can certainly relate to how you feel about it.
+Johnson Knowles Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I've previously owned a 2006 WRX and thought it was a great car that I'd like to have a again someday (the job market forced me to let it go). I tested an 06 STi back then and the acceleration difference seemed quite noticeable and put it on my dream car list for when I was making more money. It's good to know that I can go back to a WRX as a much improved car since then and the STI is not nearly as enchanting for a street car and the price bump.
Johnson Knowles Is your WSX auto or manual
Johnson Knowles so the answer is ultimately a wrx with bigger brakes/rotors.
Still cheaper than an STI and pretty sure itd be fun to track once in a whilr
Out of curiosity, did you ever consider something like a focus RS?
Someone should put together a "Hello everyone, and welcome" compilation video.
hahahaha
should do one for subaruwrxfan
Agadmator (Chess) sells shirts with "Hello Everyone" on them
You just saved me 10k. Thank you!
I wont be taking it to the track, but I still want the STI. I want the rumble, I want the better brakes, tuning and the driver controlled centre differential.
Same bruh
8grand is still a lot but it depends on how much you think is worth it. I think they are more with it new but used forget it. The STi is stupidly higher than the same year WRX limited and still either $6grand more with the same miles OR the same price but it will have 40-50k more miles on it. You really can't win lol The Wrx is the original and a great car. If you want to be a tuner and go to the track all the time and beat the living piss out of it, the STi is the car for you. If you want to have fun and still go fast but use it as a daily driver for work and such. The WRX is for you but the best part is. You can still take and mod up a WRX it just may cost you more money and the tranni isn't as robust.
But then you see the price for what you get.
Man, I just want that sick spoiler. I wish they spec'd the WRX with that spoiler. Or just a different sexy spoiler over all. A WRX without a spoiler looks freakin' naked and mundane.
A tatious WRX's are better to mod than sti (2017). Speed and track. Sti got some engine issues.
Really appreciate your WRX reviews. You are partially to blame for my purchase of a '15 WRX Sedan recently. Already started mods, dig it immensely! Thanks Jason
Nice review! I used to sell Subarus, and I told my customers the same thing. The clutch is also more sensitive in the STI, for obvious reasons, which is a disadvantage in peak traffic/slow driving conditions.
I have owned the 2017 WRX and I now own a 2020 STI. The STI in my opinion is the better car overall. Subies forever.
Great review! You really swayed my decision in getting the STI. Here I sat thinking I wanted the STI just for the extra HP and torque but I didn't know there was such a large difference in weight and peak torque. The only point that raised concern with getting the WRX is the fact that it's already running high boost levels and high compression ratios because I was planning on tuning it
7 years later, so what happened?!?!?!
This is the kind of review that separates your channel from the rest. Very relevant and interesting. Would love to watch some comparison videos such as WRX v/s GTI, R v/s STI etc.
Just traded in my 2014 Veloster for a 2017 WRX. Wow, what an amazing difference in low end torque. 1st and 2nd gear are ridiculously responsive. The torque reduces significantly with each gear past 3rd, but like this video states, this car is amazing on the street with wicked acceleration off a dead start.
Oh man, I guess you are the first American to ever tell how important fuel economy is! THANK YOU!!! Usually, you guys never look to the other side of the atlantic where gas has the double or even triple price! You deserve a new subscriber!
Despite having grown up with two mechanics in my family, I am not tech savvy when it comes to the guts of a car, even though I consider myself a car person. I have friends who are true car people and they can talk about engines and exhausts and transmissions all day and I still have a very poor grasp on what they are talking about. I really appreciate the very clear and detailed breakdown of differences between these two cars and the pros and cons of each. Also, even as us an unsavvy car person, I can still appreciate the beauty that is the WRX/STI. This is my dream car. Thank you for this video. You just made me love it even more :)
My stock 2015 STI with 100k mi warranty is exactly what I wanted. I have no desire to modify my daily driver so I wanted the top performer. The much nicer suspension, drivetrain, brakes, wheels and tires, and more power checks all the boxes for me. All I wanted was a really fun hoon machine. At the end of the day I probably would have been just as happy with the WRX, but thats not what I wanted.
Trevor Wray So you pretty much gave Subaru an extra 8 grand, good for you. They gave you a WRX that's heavier and less fuel economy. Brakes/Tires are irrelevant because you don't need all of that if you're not going onto a track. STI has literally 0 benefits unless you plan to make it a track car. You should've just went with a maxed out WRX that'll be as quick as a stock STI and have more features.
Sure, your logic seems all well and good, but I did not enjoy driving the wrx. You may not understand why I bought an STI, that's fine as your opinion holds little value to me. I'm fk'n happy with my purchase just like I assume you are with your wrx.
Sure, it might not translate into seconds on a race track, but what it really does is transform the feel of the car. I prefer how the sti drives. Simple as that, I don't think I wasted any money. I have no buyers remorse and the fact I smile every time I drive this car makes it 100% worth it
Lol
kenmastersmaster wooow you are small minded :O
Just because you did those mistakes doesn't mean everybody who gets an STI will follow your path. And you clearly lack basic human communication skills. Trevor clearly stated he DOES NOT want to mod his car in any way, and yet 80% of your comments are about which one can handle what parts and this much power blah blah blah - guess what, nobody_cares.jpg
And cool you install a cobb exhaust, and you think that the sound it makes is the most important aspect? lol. I'm sorry subaru have to deal with customers like you. No wonder they didn't honor the warranty, you clearly don't know how to appreciate fine engineering. You just want what sounds the best and goes the fastest, never think of the consequences.
A simple chip tune can destroy a car if it's not done properly, and even if it is done by specialists it is not a safe guarantee it won't damage something sooner or later. That is why companies make their chips so conservative, to not risk any damage to the engine during the warranty time. And guess what, the same goes for the engineering of the car. Of course if you mod it then subaru can't hold their warranty claim because you broke their engine layout with mods.
Trevor here talks about performance feel, how he bonds with the car, how he feels while driving. And you call him a brand whore?! What he has got is true enthusiast spirit. And how come you only talk about the track? How about the more advanced underbody of the STI, its better AWD system, its better gearbox, its better suspension, better brakes. And let me tell you, in real world scenarios you want good brakes too, not just on the track. If you head down from a mountain pass then you want to be absolutely sure you can rely on your brakes all the way to the end, and that they don't suddenly start to fade which could end up in a serious crash both in summer and winter conditions.
In the end you have no respect for one man's choice, and all I see you do here is to bash on everyone liking the STI - as if you are a god to judge everyone's decisions and personal taste. Which is why you don't deserve any respect yourself. You are a narrow-minded and arrogant fool, that's all you are.
Trevor Wray btw Trevor love your "Lol" comment :D about sums up the amount of communication that Kenmastermaster is able to comprehend :'D
Had a 06 sti. Blew up on me. I'm in a 2019 WRX Raiu Edition now. Modding the hell out of it as well. The FA20 motor is a welcome change. Probably won't buy another sti ever again. Tired of the old engine and the new one replacing it is gonna be hybrid. Enjoy the hell out of my WRX though :')
even if thi difference is not that much
sti=bragging rights
wrx=the sensible hat
Jack Stewart just buy the Wing and the STI emblem to make your WRX looks like a STI..no one can tell the differece lol
Fair point thats probobly what I would do
+Dino Climaco that would make u a poser lol
Sti= better performance
Wrx= more sensible
I would just put an STi spoiled on a WRX, and remove the WRX emblem so I don't look like a wannabe STi owner.
Damn! I clicked on the link thinking it was just a superficial review. Instead, you outlined many nuances.
Keep it going. Your reviews are better and more informative than the automotive magazines that I read.
gotten my 2016 sti two years ago. The rumble still makes me smile and i still drive around just for fun :)
I remember obsessively watching this video and wishing I’d have an STI… day dreaming working at Panda Express all day…. it’s been 6 years and here I am sitting in my STI on my lunch break. Man time flies 😢
You should be proud of yourself! You work hard for what you've earned, and you deserve every bit of it!
And here I am, working 3-4 years, a failure in life, stuck woth parents house mortgage debt, no education other than high school because I'm simply not built for learning in academics, 23 years old, work at a gas station $15 and hour. Wish I had some money for a sport car. 😔
and now you're broke af gambling your remaining dollar in Vegas LMFAO. Should have bought the WRX HAHAHAHAH
The prices are so reasonable now that I realized I could get an STi. BUT the reason I got the WRX is the new engine. The MUCH newer tech sold it. Direct enjection, twin scroll, better torque curve, and actually decent fuel economy. The area under the torque curve is current BMW good. Also, coming from a 2011 WRX, this new chassis is lively and fun. The chassis is stiffer and the unsprung weight is lower. The car is mechanically tuned more neutral and can rely on the more sophisticated electronic stability control to save you. It also uses torque vectoring on the front axle which has a secondary effect of limiting inside wheel spin on that open diff. The seats are better and the interior is a bit nicer than my 2011. I do miss the 5-door utility and distinctive character of the previous gen. The hard hit of the turbo ond the long gear pulls were fun in their own way, but the front end would slide around if you werent being conscious of keeping it in check. Looks... new one gets lost in the parking lot. So, yeah. I agree with you 100%. It's all about the new engine. AND good handling with a good ride quality.
I also went from a 2011 hatch to a 2015. I agree with everything you said.
Patrick Ford My main decider was that the STI would put me into the sports car insurance bracket and WRX didn't. that was a money over time issue for me
kkthxk to be fair, that was from bad lots of castings. It wasn't an engineering problem, it was a manufacturing problem that got sorted. Faulty engines failed and were fixed. Subsequent batches of pistons were fixed in manufacturing. If a car had that problem it wouldn't be on the road, or you'd know it from a test drive. I wouldn't worry about buying an old ej20 or ej25 if it's still running and you can test it. New ones, no problem.
kkthxk this is true. Subarus are money pits. Enjoy the warranty.
Birmingham Man Rixstaa not money pits. I've had three wrx. Very reliable. kkthxk were those stock STis? I could see that lean burn happening if they were tuned to push the boost beyond what the injectors were able yo keep up with.
So bolt the wrx engine to the sti transmission, got it
the sti box is a fair bit heavier and beefier
Is this possible?
+Asariel Maradiaga it was in 2007 so maybe
Asariel Maradiaga yes its possible actually wouldnt be that hard because they are the same chassis and similar engines ........... although r you going to buy 2 brand new Subarus and tear them apart probably not
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But is there more things that can go wrong with the newer WRX engines? Awesome video. This dude loves cars, and can use science to blow you away. It's like if Bill Nye was in Fast and Furious.
You have a voice built for voiceovers, radio, and podcasting.
The problem is whenever an sti pass by me, in an wrx, then i would feel devastated.
I love my '16 STi.
+Steven C I love my '14 STI! Great car you've got! :)
16 sexualy transmitted infections? Thats bad luck
I only bought it.cuz it hold its value
Ty Ty gay
@@EngineeringExplained 14's are great!
I appreciate the thoughts here :) but I'd still pick the sti for the reasons you stated
I just bought a 2015 wrx yesterday. Limited trim. I absolutely love it. Looks great, everything is just perfect.
Thanks for making this video! It’s sort of hard to determine all the differences and compare, but you organized all the important info into this video and I really appreciate it. Going to get a WRX this year, with any luck
the new 2015 wrx and sti looks like a F****ing Corola. I own a 2012 wrx which has a better body style imho
Dennis King Looks aside, it's a huge improvement over the previous gen.
Dennis King I use to think like you. I would recommend you going to Subaru dealer and get an up close and personal look at the new Rex/Sti. The front end looks way more aggressive than previous gen and the body kit/side skirts look sick. On top of that the driving experience is much better too. I had 2014 Wrx and traded it for a new one and theres no way i would go back even though the 11-14 isnt a bad car by any means but these new ones are better in every category.
Personally, if you buy a car for the way it looks, then you are looking to impress others. It's like working out to impress chicks rather than working out to be healthy. Granted, every new car looks the same these days, interior is much more important. You don't drive a car from the outside, you spend all your time inside. I went and looked at a 2016 STi today and was blown away from the interior improvements. All the previous models had more plastics than a Lego castle and looked cheap. I'm now looking into buying a new STi just because the interior and chassis improvements over previous generations.
I understand what you mean. But we are talking about the Subaru wrx / sti specifically. So no I didn't buy the wrx to impress others. I just think the new wrz/sti looks a little less "aggressive" than previous models. That's all. I chose a subie wrx because it is overall a good car in every aspect including the aggressive look that came with it until 2016.
Dennis King Didn't everyone say that about the 11-14s? And before that the 08-10s? Lol can Subaru never win? When it comes to looks many people will say no. But you'll get used to it and love the fact that it is a WRX, all in good time my friend.
Pick up my '16 WRX today!
+Thinking Commas Congrats!
+Thinking Commas Got mine last week!
+Thinking Commas , congrats! I picked up a 2016 lapis blue wrx 3 weeks ago and still no regrets. I didn't really trust the new 2.0 motor but performance wise its tuned perfectly and that twin scroll turbo has almost zero lag. If it ends up being reliable I will never regret getting the base wrx
+Thinking Commas how much $ ? Is it better than a 2016 mustang?
STI right??
I just wanna share my opinion since this is extremely relevant for me.
I remember watching this video a few months after getting my first Subaru, my 2015 WRX and being extremely ecstatic. This video really helped reaffirm that I made the right choice at the time to be more economic in multiple aspects, including financial. The car served me amazing through the years, but in time a serious issue began to present itself. I always wanted an STi ever since test driving one back when I was 18, but I didn't want to get rid of my other car at the time, so that seed had planted itself and was always there, slowly growing. This was the exact reason I ended up getting a WRX to finally nourish that original desire. This was the issue though, that seed wasn't truly being nourished and I ultimately realized I still wanted that STi...
So here I sit now with $20,500 for my WRX and about to go get a 2016 STi Limited with ONLY 27,700 miles for $29,990 and the previous owner did over $8,000 grand of custom work to it and treated it like it was his child, even kept it in a garage at all times. I'll tell you, the joy I felt test driving this thing before putting my deposit was in a whole different category of what the WRX gave me, especially with all the custom mods already installed.
My advice, if you have to wait, especially financially..then wait, but keep in mind, that desire will always be there until you get it out of you system. I literally can't believe I'm about to finally own my 18 year old selves desired car, and it's that beautiful electric blue.
I'm considering saving up for a hyperblue.
Trying to talk myself into a wrx.
What I'm telling myself is, I want the extra lsds living out in the corn fields in a place can get a foot or two snow overnight.
What I want from the wrx is the mpg.
I figure the turbo lag could be addressed in the future with a variable vane turbo upgrade in the sti.
So. After a year or so, do you feel the switch was still worth it? Any quick pros and cons?
Oh man this is me exactly actually. I really want an Sti but it may not be best since I qork minimum wage :(
Bruh
People forgetting the STI's transmission alone is worth 6k or more....yeah, you can easily make the WRX faster than the STI, but he transmission of the WRX is not the same as the STI's. That's not even mentioning the 6 piston brembo brakes....especially comparing to the 2019-20 STIs. Not to even leave out the suspension...lol. Lastly, more differentials.....not as simple as it is guys, sorry.
I got a 2019 sti daily driver stage 2 tune this thing is a beast and great every day driver you can drive like a normal car but very hard to lol I'm 49 and this is one of my favorites of all the cars I owned
I agree. I think the current generations of WRX/STI are too close to justify the price hike for the STI.
I’ve had my 16’ wrx for over and year and still LOVE it ! 💯🔥🙏🏽
There are two things I've learned in this life. 1: wrap it before you tap it, and 2: always buy the race version.
I think this is a point where you and I can agree is the STI version from that year forward is more of a boomer type of car performance on the road and a lot of other things it's super in spring and what you're talking about is stuff that you guys think about now. The thing we all have to realize we all love the cars and we all love the amenities and thankfully we all appreciate your contributions to all of these interests
II spend a day with a 2020 STI and here is the big difference the STI has to be at 4,000 RPM or it feels slow. The WRX feels faster around town and. quickly darting out. Also the ride is more harsh with the STI. The STI handles significantly better around corners. Also, the 19 inch wheels looks great worth the big calipers. The deal breaker for me was the engine and huge turbo lag.
i like Subarus, but who wants a sexually transmitted infection? those aren't fun at all.
neither is a Black Mans Willy....
neither is an Another Unsafe Dick Infection
C Diff (Clostridium difficile) is something you have to look at everyday sitting in the car coz it's written next to the gear lever in bold letters. Anyone in the medical field will know about it. (But... I still like the WRX STI..!)
Probably an EVO guy
God I love all of these comments 😂😂😂
In terms of tuning the STi isn’t any better. In terms of bolt ons/tune the WRX will actually make more hp and torque then the STi will. A local tuner shop just pumped out 353 whp out of a 2016 WRX, full bolt ons, stock turbo, and only 93 octane. You’re lucky to hit 320 whp with a FBO stock turbo STi on 93, and again, a much more narrow power band. That WRX makes over 30 more peak power while having twice the usable torque curve. The STi only really shines if you are going to build a track car, for daily use/basic tuning the WRX is the superior car by a long shot. The fa20 also has a much better reliability record, ej257’s are still spinning rod bearings and cracking ringlands off the showroom floor.
Wrx owners must slam the Sti because they have "better fuel economy" "better daily driver". Wrx owners secretly all want the Sti with more power, better exhaust note, superior steering rack, brembo brakes, c.diff versatility and a track car that is also a great daily driver. It's the beast of the bunch. Enjoy your wrx, it's a great car, but it's not an STi
Honestly I'd take an STi if it had a DCT but it doesn't.
The clinically pessimistic depressed republican low life is back?:) You are the best. Keep your bloated fat factory working belly back at Burger King. May I suggest an SNRI instead of an SSRI for your depression. One has far less weight gain. Keep following my posts you desperate cork soaker.
Why are you addressing me you *butthurt* clown? Your obsolete car makes 30hp more than a WRX and that's only because Subaru had to detune the WRX for walking all over the STi with it's updated technology and drivetrain. *Why do you think Subaru already implemented EPS and an FA20 in the upcoming 2018 STi? Because they know it's superior and only carried over the EJ because Subaru is cheap and has about 50,000 EJs left in their warehouse they have to get rid of.* The STi already has brake vectoring just like the WRX. You literally have no clue about anything and only bought the Sti because it was cheaper than another Audi and you couldn't pony up for any options because you couldn't afford it. Lets see a real video of your cars you clown! Not a powerpoint presentation of cars you *used to own*
Sapient Budgie I know this is old but I now have a 17 arc and I would buy another STI in a heartbeat. I only traded my STI so maintenance will be less
I just bought a 06 and 08 Wrx. Sure would have been cheaper to buy an Sti 🤑😂
I never secretly wanted to tho. 🤛🏼
Not sure how relevant this is now. But I’ve owned a 2015 WRX back in 2018 and sold it in 2020. Keep in mind this was my only car at the time. I feel if you’re strictly looking for a great all around car that you can have fun with daily and gets great mpgs for what it is. WRX all day long. The power comes down low so it makes it a real pleasant experience just going around town. Fast forward a few cars. I’ve owned a 2022 GR86 base and a 2023 Premium before I decided to let it go for a 2017 STI. Now that I have my sti, I love it 10 times more then my WRX, transmission, steering, brakes feel way more engaged. More power up top Instead of down low. Butttt, this is not my daily driver and more of my weekend car 2-3 days out of the week. If you want to compare the two. I say personally, as your only car, the WRX is a better overall car. If you have a daily already and plan to have it as your “fun” car. A pre owned sti is lovely.
Thanks for sharing
This really helps me. I already have a 2019 A4 daily driver and looking to get either a WRX or an STI. I feel if i get the WRX, im going to regret it.
@@Wan_Billy yup in the case you have a good daily already id definitely go STI
I bought the 2015 WRX on March 24, 2015, and I liked it coming from my GTI, but on October 9, 2017, I changed it into my STI and the sensations that car gives me back are making me feel if I would ever want to change it. Yes, I bought it for the sound, but then the whole driving experience feels so different, so much more driver oriented. And those are a matter of taste. My wife also prefers the quietness of the WRX. I, on the other hand, think that a Catback Cobb exhaust will have an even better sound than my SPT Subaru exhaust. Rational drivers are ok picking the WRX, passionate drivers, please drive an STI, feel it, hear it, before you pick the WRX. Yes, again my fuel efficiency was 26.7MPG ODO in my WRX, my STI has 20.7 MPG, but with a happiness that I would not achieve if the next generation STI loses the rumble. If so, this wonderful car will have to stay with me for as long as I live. Thank you, Subaru for having made a car that in numbers might not be that good, but on the character made tell my wife when she asked me which car would be a better one, I sincerely told her a manual 911. Also, maybe not the last ones, because for me the sound is part of the driving experience.
You just saved me 10k. Thank you!
I just got a new 2019 Sti a month ago and I LOVE it I don’t mind the whole gas thing and for me Yes it’s Worth 8k more Especially the Sound it makes it’s just a more old School growl sound. Also it’s a STi and Not a WRX bragging Rights😎
Dude, that was on point. Imprezzed. lol
Thank you for the information between the 2! I recently just bought a WRX instead of the STI version. Drove it to Vegas from Los Angeles, the mpg did not disappoint me. I love this car and it is so fun to drive! 4-door 5 seater, Perfect car for mee! My first ever sports car with 6speed manual transmission!
We're driving conservatively? Or did you give use the boost every so often on your drive? I'm looking at getting a WRX, but a lot of the reviews online say the MPG is bad.
Picked up a 2016 WRX a couple weeks ago and couldn't be happier with it. Definitely agree with your points made between the WRX/STI. Coming from a 135i(6 spd/M Sport), the WRX is much more practical for both daily and back road cornering. The 135i was fun, but even stock you need a track to get close to it's full potential..
Great video!! In the future could you make a video on maintenance/maintaining a Wrx/STi. Thanks again for the great videos!
I still own a 2003 wrx sti 2.0L with factory forged internals and pistons FTW! :D
so do I :)
+Zalata Japan?
same here, ej207 ftw!
Man, this talk about 'torque', lol, - this guy understands!!!
My brother in law's name is Van Dorr, any relation? Serious question. I know it sounds made up hahahah
I like that you made your side clearly before going into reasons, which are very good facts that you pointed out.
Everyone who took your advice is kicking themselves now that they missed the window to purchase the STI in its final form
The biggest thing for me is the UEL headers, I'm sorry but that is just how a subaru is supposed to sound; I understand the wrx needs the equal length to have the twin scroll but I just wouldn't be able to buy a subaru having it sound like a honda. Also how were you able to get 26 mpg in the sti? Mine only gets 22.5 average
+ShotsDesignsHD I average about the same. On my test course I tend to do better, keep it at 65 mph or less, mostly highway.
+ShotsDesignsHD Its a stretch saying it sounds like a honda.......
Bryan Veloso Im not trying to hate on honda's by any means, I own a 2012 si and absolutely love it, I'm just saying for me the biggest appeal of a subaru is the boxer rumble and having equal length headers definitely takes a way from that a huge amount.
+ShotsDesignsHD i couldn't agree more, i own a 2016 WRX! but i used to love the 2006-2012 honda Si's! and again i couldnt agree more about the rumble but if it mean a more reliable but still quick vehicle by all means ill take it! And much love for driving an si and not an ex lol
+KainOriginal it's really not, watch some exhaust videos of them; at idle sure they have the boxer noise but under any sort of load it's just like any other 4 cylinder, I'm talking a nice honda not someones 1.8 liter with a fartcan on it.
Sti has a front and rear lsd, 6 speed, brembos, better tires, dccd, more power, better seats, and the list goes on. Want an eco-box, buy a Corolla.
kenmastersmaster Are you kidding? The only reason people talk about the electric power steering on the WRX is because it doesn't absolutely suck. No one ever talks about the hydraulic power steering because it is just assumed that it will be better, and when the electric comes close, people are surprised. No one has ever said the steering on the WRX is better, because, well, it isn't. People praise the WRX for being good, but it still isn't nearly as good as the hydraulic 13:1 on the STI.
The EJ may be an antique, but it is proven, and it works. And are you seriously trying to tell me that open diffs are better than the STI's LSD at the front and rear? Oh, I would just love to hear you explain to me how the open diffs on the WRX are superior....
No I called the gtr's front diff a weak pos because it has a reputation for breaking.
And that civic wasn't a production car either. We will see if the actual car can uphold its record...
You don't seem to understand that the wrx also has a front and center diff... They are just open diffs not lsds...(well the front anyways). Why are we even discussing the civic, who gives a shit. It has no bearing on the difference between the wrx and the sti. Fact, the sti is faster. Sure we can add mods to each car, but there is a reason people that race them will chose the sti every time. It's simply a better car. No amount of calling it names will take that away. The sti will be the choice for pros and the wrx will be had by bros. I don't need to justify anything. Go racing. The sti wins, all your technology bs is irrelivent if it is slower. I can mod an sti too...
And I am typing quickly on a tablet. Pointing out typos will get you no where. Sounding like a 14 year old and returning to base name calling just shoes how immature and uniformed you are.
Really, try googling "common r35 gtr prblems" and see what comes up.
But yeah, I would love to own one. That's the first thing you have been right about.
Comparing modded cars is pointless. I have been in 1000hp Forester's that are faster than any 500hp wrx. That doesn't mean shit because the cars are modded. Stock vs stock, the sti is faster...
And yes, viscous auto corrects to viscus on my shitty Packard Bell tablet running Windows 95, but I am not in a public library, I'm in your mom's bed getting some head. And she just swallowed so its time to pass out.
thanks for the good job reviewing the cars, very informative!
man i wasnt sure what color i wanted to get mine, i thought red was ugly until i saw it in this video your car is a beauty that red really sets it off
First video I've seen of yours. That being said, one of the best review/comparisons I've seen on RUclips to date. Very concise and practical for the everyday person. Well done Engineering Explained
JaronAames Thanks for watching! I have a few other concise and practical videos if you're interested. :)
I'd be glad to have any of the 2!
Very well explained .. Thanks for this review .. More tourqu at only 2,000 rpm .. The wrx would be much more fun to drive around town and in traffic .. Just daily driving ..
I have a gt350 and i can only rarely stretch it out .. So I'd be happier to have more torque down low where I use the same rpm the most daily driving ..
Balls to the walls driving is fun but how many times do we all get to have that fun ? I'd pick the wrx
he forgot to mention sti has the old UEL headers, u get that classic boxer rumble while WRX does not.
This.
This change was not needed. It's part of why the torque band is lower with the newer engine (twin scroll turbo doesn't like UELs) but no one floors it at 2300 rpm and expects a mountain of thrust anyway. Now the WRX sounds like every 4-cylinder boringmobile on the road, in addition to its lack of feel and character compared to a previous-gen.
I wonder what mpg the FA20F would achieve were it connected to an STI's beefy drivetrain.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it sounds like you have surprisingly strong opinions about emissions for a car guy. I like it, I thought I was the only one.
WRX owner here. STI handles better, brakes better and has a way stronger trans. But with the WRX you can upgrade brakes and upgrade suspension, but not the steering. But personally I think the FA20F is the superior engine as far as performance, reliability, and potential for tuning. The turbo is better and I believe the internals/block is stronger than the EJ25.
That STI looks clean though!
I'll get a PRIUS that day I'll care about gas mileage
Funny...I used to own an s2000 a few yrs back. Too many break-ins and vandalism to my car(the haters really hated it)so I let it go >:-(....My husband got a Prius that he later gave to me and I have been nagging him about me getting an STI since. It's painful to think about the sticker price but 2020 is the year I say goodbye to saving gas but gladly ")
Both new WRX and STI are performing great in their own way, but my God they look ugly now.
They might be more advanced, efficient and economic, but their design is just hideous.
I mean, just look at that...shape. Where did that 22b beauty go? It's just sad.
Agreed, that's the deal breaker for me... I won't sell my 2013 hatch because the new ones are hideous IMO.
that is the uglyest of them all!
I own a 2015 STI and my friend owns a 2015 WRX. I 100% agree with your assessment. My plan was always to modify and track my STi, and it was the correct choice for me, but the way my friend's WRX pulls at low RPMs is incredibly fun and impressive. For someone who does not plan to highly modify their car, the WRX is the clear choice. However, the one absolutely required upgrade is 18 inch wheels and 245/40 R18 tires, which are now an easy to add factory option on the 2016 WRX. I believe that package includes inverted struts as well, giving you the awesome wheels and suspension and the awesome new motor in a factory package.
Could not be any happier with my 2018 WRX!!!
True! But Sti gives you wings!!
and the boxer rumble ;)
Actual wings!
Drove my wrx home yesterday =D. Gonna get a nameless muffler delete, perrin shift stop, and red mudflaps.
CrazyForCooCooPuffs why mud flaps
TheIronGiant 22 cause shitty Subaru paint, mud flaps are required.
also get the perrin shift bushing
jackson sun yea its on order as well, also accessport with mishimoto intake is coming too, bought a killer b catless down pipe + midpipe from someone on nasioc.
LOL just installed my accessport, still deciding whether I should get the mishimoto intake or not.
Drive both and decide. I did, and picked the STI. Wasn't even close. And I don't care about fuel economy or range. If I did, I'd not be looking at a performance vehicle.
WallyKurtz Saying you don't care about fuel economy while looking at performance vehicles is such a dated opinion. You can have both, and why wouldn't you want it? It's silly to say you don't care about the money you spend. Will you pay for my gas too?
Engineering Explained I would, just because you're a nice guy. :)
Engineering Explained i suppose I'm getting old :) back in my day...
Engineering Explained Because I haven't done the research, which car can boast 300+ hp and better than 23 mpg, while supporting mechanical, symmetrical AWD? Take out the parasitic losses of real AWD (and its additional weight) and yeah, there's a bevy of 300hp/30mpg cars out there. But when you're talking about the package, there are few (if any) that are in the price range of an STI. Don't get me started on Subaru's AWD vs. the Haldex AWD systems and such.
I just got my 17 WRX in WR Blue pearl, that FA20 engine comes to life when you give it a little gas. It still has that juicy signature boxer rumble too
Wesley Peacock its not the boxer engine that causes that, its the unequal exhaust header to collectir lengths (and the timing of the engine)
I've had a 17 WRX with lots of mods done to it before some lady decided she'd crash into my car, anyways Subaru said they'd be able to transfer over the warranty from my old car to a brand new STI. so waiting to pick up my new STI soon. test drove it an can already tell you that the STI puts a bigger smile on my face. taken I can also use the same modifications I did on the WRX to the STI as well.
So will the WRX engine deteriorate faster than the STI because of the higher compression? Great video, love the break down and a completely interesting and unbiased view of the two cars traits.
The WRX is a great sporty car but the STI is a legend for good reason. The STI is far better everywhere it counts if you want to go fast. Far superior brakes, wheels, transmission, diffs- 2 of which don't even exist on a WRX, steering, suspension, seats, DCCD, and an engine with more top end power. Stock vs stock an STI is significantly faster in a straight line and around a track. Yes you can 'mod' a WRX, but you can start with a far superior platform in an STI, and mod that too. A WRX needs to be heavily modded to even come close to overcoming all these short comings and still will never be the STI's equal. A WRX limited is within a few bucks of a base STI, not to mention the STI has some items you still won't get on a limited WRX. (Dual zone climate control for example) And as far as engine failures, it has a ton to do with how you treat the motor. I've owned 3 EJs and have had ZERO issues. So if we're just talking about saving a few MPGs, go buy a Prius and get a used STI as your fun car. The only thing a WRX is 'better' at is compromising performance to save a few bucks.
Same
and the sti has turbo lag? slower power delivery than wrx = superior all round? haha
Agreed
Elguap08 why all the hate? the dude already agreed with you that the sti is the better car lol. either way, wrx is still a subaru. either one is fine. both can be modified. dont forget that the sti has ringland problems
Damn someone's bitter. Idiodic "impulse purchase", huh? sounds like you're projecting . casio tech - your lame ass, base wrx sucks. 340whp can be made on an sti with a flash and a down pipe. When you're tucking a Built closed deck short block and getting 600+ WHP then you can open your mouth, but even then you'll realize that if you did achieve those numbers, the transmission in your baby smurf cant hang.. So, you can go back to being angery and puting around in your bolted blue corola and hating STI owners.
At the end of the day, you are in your shiny new WRX at a stop light and an STI comes by I am sure you would want to know how it feels to be in the STI when it whips you.
+dushyantx Except in a straight line they're pretty equal... In my own testing I did 0-60 in 5.5 in the STI, closer to 5 seconds in the WRX. 1/4 mile times are close as well as trap speeds. They also have very similar 5-60 times, which is what you'd probably see more often as most people probably won't be clutch dumping at each stop light.
Facts
I smoked a wrx in my 95 civic hatchback no lie
dcx how will it whip you if the wrx reaches a higher torque at a far lower RPM?
Dandandan Le because it has STI badge
This video was a great help. I was looking at the STI, but hearing how the WRX would be more beneficial to my needs and saves me about $10k!
I find your reviews so much more useful than vehicle virgins.
The WRX has been catching up and for the price is certainly better now, if you don't plan to mod the car, then still the STI . I am the original owner of a 2005 STI. I test drove a 2015 STI used with 13,000km. Now my car has been tuned to around 375 bhp, but my car feels way faster than the new one stock. I have had all my maintenance at this dealership, so the manager came with me for the drive and encouraged me to really test it. Now of course this 2015 would probably be a bit faster if it had the same mods as my car. But really in 10 years now, not much has changed on the STI. I think that's why I still have my STI. I have had no real reason to get a new model. Mine looks more obnoxious now that I'm 40, but still looks pretty cool under a white streetlamp. They need to make the STI look wild again bump it to 400bhp. People have been modding their STI to this level for years with no problems. Lots of people way higher. But I have rarely read any posts in the forums of people having problems with mildly modded cars. It wouldn't add much to production costs. Slightly larger stock turbo, larger fuel injectors/pump. With it factory tuned.
I would get the STi just cause it's a STi. Resale value is better with the STi too.
bmwmsport11 You are a marketers dream lol. Same reason you bought a BMW I am sure. Status symbol.
Reed L rekt
Reed L id rather get the base model and put the flagship model parts in, its funner and cheaper that way plus you get to learn everything about your car all while saving money on insurance
TumblrTrash damned 2000 baby
Reed L I don't have a BMW. I have a WRX. Don't just assume things.
Don't you understand that with most japanese cars, the ones from factory command top dollar? Like take a built Skyline GTS and compare it to a Skyline GTR. Or a built N/A Supra and compare it to a Supra Turbo? Which is worth more over time assuming you matched the performance difference? People pay more for an all original car. Granted the STi is not loads better than a WRX, but if you keep it all stock the STi has a slight advantage.
Buying a Ford just isn't appealing on any level, okay...unless you need a truck.
oldkid6 I test drove the Focus ST, with my mind set in buying one. Beside the great power, the rest is a joke.
I put a shelby 350 stock, to a subi any day.
Great video, I've been killing myself on which trim for the longest time. This help make my decision much easier. Picked up my 2016 WRX Yesterday and drove 150 miles home. Right on with the MPG at 33MPG. Couldn't be happier.
I drove the STI and the WRX. I like the WRX more. It's direct injected, it has a duel scroll turbo and the lag is eliminated due to equal exhaust pulses. The STI still has a little bit of lag. It has six gears which is a big step. It does well for fuel economy when I want to save fuel. And I have the same fuel economy as the STI when I'm speeding. The boost levels are higher.... but it makes it challenging to tune the car. The coms are if I want to on the track I would have to speed more money to equate the performance level as the STI. But to be honest, I want Subaru to get rid of the EJ25 and convert over to FA25 if all possible. The rumble is all the effects of uel headers which does no good for making power.
got my 2016 blue WRX on Wednesday :)
+CrazySajan congrats!
+CrazySajan
Do you like it more than the 2014 in term of design. I actually can't decided which design I like more. The 2016 look too similar body wise to the corolla so I'm kind of not happy.
+thehotsung8701A
how can you compare wrx to corolla?
bad ass front hood, 4 pipes at the rear, wide tires, front lip spoiler, and damm fast!!!!
CrazySajan
I was wrong but at first glance the body chasis look like a Corolla but upon further comparison for both cars side by side, it is not the same body. However I like the 2014 body more. It feel less high and feel more like a street racer. However, the new Corolla is very good looking so that not really a complete insult to the WRX. I can't wait till I test drive one!
+thehotsung8701A
I am VERY HAPPY with 2016. But if you like 2014 go for it
I would honestly buy an sti just because of the badge not gonna lie
+MagicPoptartz14 buy one off ebay for 5 bucks lol
This is a dilemma I'm facing. Question: I know the STI is classified as a sports car as far as registration and insurance. Is the WRX considered in the same class?
I'd like to know this as well
I'm calling my insurance company this week, I'll let you know what they say.
Yes it is.
Phil rice It's only about a $30 difference per month on the sti though my insurance provider.
Dr. Tautology i have an sti insured, make sure a women does your paperwork lol just say i have a 2016 subaru wrx. problem solved
wow super impressive understanding and delivery for someone who is just becoming interested in these great cars. thanks for the great comparison!
Damn dude, thanks for this video! I was really interested in the sti but you’ve definitely convinced me.
5:05
one *cut* less *cut* GALLON
Fallen who cares? It’s a video, not the matrix
is the sti trans still stronger, that was somthing i didnt think about when i had my 12, tuned it and then realized i capped out the trans gears, where as the sti had a stronger trans, and would of allowed me to continue on.
"boost sooner, less turbo lag, and torque earlier" BRUH THATS ALL THE SAME THING PRETTY MUCH
Wow. Great video. I always assumed the STI was just better in every way although I don't ever race on the track. Enlightening. Thank you.
i have an 08 impeza wrx hatch, and it has the older engine yet i still love it. havent driven the new wrx yet.