Amazing content! I've been watching your videos for a while now, but this intensive breakdown of Asiatic archery was "chef's kiss"... There are not many videos online to begin with, and to not only do it, but also take a 30min dive into it to show how it looks in live time as you self correct, is an amazing treat as a learning archer... Hats off to you good sir!
This is great content. Your pre pandemic content was very good and helpful. Now. This is excellent for all archers, no matter their focus or tackle, as long as they keep their jacket sleeves out of the way. The shot by shot maritime and commentary helps. Keep it up.
This was a much needed lesson to focus on specific self-talk now that I'm spending time with a thumb draw again. It's easy to forget that sort of thing when I step away from archery for a while. Today, before I watched this, I did sorta talk to myself about actually getting the draw right since I'm still new to Asiatic. I was holding my index finger too far over my thumb and got scraped from the nock point and arrow nock on the side of my knuckle. I got it right when I actually talked to myself, but did occasionally forget afterward. Gotta always tell myself to close up the other fingers and leave a space between my thumb and pointer.
Absolutely. You'll find that as you advance in your practice, you'll find different things that you tell yourself. I've been hammering in a FULL DRAW command to remind myself to get the right length and not rush the shot.
Incantations, sacrifices? Oh man, you're telling me the headless beanie-babies laying all over the field have had no effect on my shooting. You burst my bubble from the opposite end of the Earth -- That's good aim, especially for thumb release!
Recently joined an archery club n they are a bit sniffy about Asiatic archery . They recon you cant aim right side n thumb draw ,now i can prove then wrong .Thank you Sensei 😁
Amaizing motivation for shooting, i finished my 3 hour training and now i am relaxing but after watching this i wanna shoot some more and i want to be better then yesterday 😅😊
I like the way you study your archery, sensei is a good name for you. However, some laughs are ok too i guess. At 10:54 it is funny when you say: "i want to feel the shaft here"😂🎉😅😮😊
Nice! I¨d like to try it. However, I have a general problem with aiming. I am a right handed shooter, but do have a left dominant eye. Therefore, so far I do not aim at all. What do you recommend? Is it still possible to aim? (I do thumb shooting.)
From 12:12 the camera is at a very good angle and you can easily see that all arrows are fishtailing ( bad flight), so here is noob question ; if we are trying to build accuracy isnt this a good time to try doing/learning khatra at the same time?
Yes, form and technique should be developed as an ongoing process. The point in this video is to establish that the first step - and ironically overlooked - is to recognise that you are pointing the bow in the direction. Training often puts all the emphasis on form, but gives no ownership of the shot because aiming isn't "important". This is a reminder to consciously identify your reference points so that you can remove one variable, so when the arrows don't go there, it is possible to connect this to form.
After shooting thumb draw for several years, I get the feeling that thumb draw archers who stress instinctive shooting over a methodical process, even for stationary shooting, are low key hoarding their knowledge behind a thin veil of mysticism to prop up their ego.
Oh and yes i ware glasses to. Im considering getting contact lences just for archery, with glasses especially when its hot, the slip, sometimes get foggy, they can be abit annoying lol, but without them i cant see the target to well, so its a give and take thing.
When i mentioned in your video before this, because i watched that first i wrote that i shoot fast. But im not trying to be flashy, im not just guessing where the arrow will go. I just find for me personally, i have a window of time, and im very much aware of what im looking at and aware of the aim, i just happen to find that for me the longer i stay in anchor i often miss where i intend the arrow to hit. So yes its still a very strict process i use, im just very quick to aligne my shot, my pre anchor is slow though, i will look at the target and not take my eye off the place i intend on hitting, so its 1. Slow to anchor 2. At anchor 3. Around 3 seconds after in anchor and my tip is where i want it i let go. For me thats just how i work best, again its not to be flashy or especially now its certainly not instinctive, im very much aiming, just a quick time box for me when at anchor. I really enjoy the way you explain things, its just very good, and really does help with understanding the process, especially mine because yes it is fast, but its not willing or somehow feeling the shot, its very purposely done to get my arrow where i want it to go by the tip of the arrow, i am not just going into achor then thinking a "spirit" will guide my shot, no, my aim is guiding my shot. I mean 3 to 4 seconds is for me a long time lol.
I agree. There's a point where holding and taking longer doesn't benefit the quality of the shot. The risk factor is sometimes you will shoot before you are ready, and that's a habit that must be controlled.
@@NUSensei Absolutely. I think it's all about being relaxed and not over thinking it. I don't think to myself "right I'm going to shoot very fast" lol, it's just a rhythm i get into, i have my quiver on my side and even that is a smooth removal of arrows, i only have 5 max in there so I'm not fumbling around trying to pick one. It's another thing i love about it, you are completely in your zone, and it can be for me abit like meditation lol, I'm just not rushing for rushing sake, it's all a rhythm.
Kassai is a horse archer; his method is "true" instinctive. Horse archers benefit more from drawing to the chest, and the offset is less of a problem when they are shooting at very close distance targets.
Good to see that this isn't just instinctive.too many channels suggest that. Do you have anything on troubleshooting grips? If I don't wear a bandaid,I consistently get a blood blister on the base of my index finger on my shooting hand. I've tried opening my grip a little. My only other thought is that my bow came with a brass nock.
Yeah I'd guess it's the brass nocking point. I've had similar problems in the past. With thumb draw you need that index finger to put some pressure on the shaft to keep it in place, so the nocking point will always be in contact on release, the metal ones are gonna scrape you. I also think the brass ones reduce the life of the string. You should be able to get it off with some pliers or something, and make your own nocking point with tape or thread.
@@NUSensei thumb draw, not a particular form. I've watched some tutorials from your channel and Malta archery. The blister that forms is right on thr first joint of your index finger and hand if that makes sense. Thank you so much!
I'd get rid of the brass nocking point and try again. I got those separately on string delivery, and never put them on. They seem a good idea, but all I can see is extra danger. You can tie your own nocking point with some serving string.
Is it right that if you shoot with metal thumb ring in an AA competition you would actually be classed as bare compound because the thumb being metal is considered a release aid. Is a leather thumb ring ok for AA?
By World Archery rules, a thumb ring would be considered a release aid and release aids are only allowed in the Compound division. I imagine AA will run the same interpretation of that rule. I can't say for sure if leather thumb tabs qualify as a non-release aid. The thing to be careful with in AA is that Asiatic doesn't fit into AA divisions. AA doesn't have a "Traditional" division, but a "Longbow" one, which has very specific definitions over what a Longbow is and permitted equipment. Specifically, the AA rules say that the Mediterranean draw MUST be used, either split finger (1 over 2 under) or three-under touching the arrow, so this would, by letter of the law, disqualify thumb shooting - even though the intent of the law is to prevent stringwalking and facewalking.
Ty for this video, i m not confortable with an anchor point on my face. Do you think it s possible to have the same accuracy without anchor point on face. I use the same bow, the raptor, but i don have the same groups has you😅
You can, but it's inherently going to be less consistent without a solid anchor point. You need to find a way to have a reference point that will verify your alignment.
@@NUSensei it make sens; il will try this evening again and if i have not the same result as you at 30 m the only explanation is that we don't have the same arrows😂
This kind of teaching content on thumb draw is so rare on the Web, thanks for what you're doing!
Sound advice.
Nice to see you uploading consistently again, man!
Transitioned to Asiatic Archery last week, this video is gonna be so helpful!
Amazing content! I've been watching your videos for a while now, but this intensive breakdown of Asiatic archery was "chef's kiss"... There are not many videos online to begin with, and to not only do it, but also take a 30min dive into it to show how it looks in live time as you self correct, is an amazing treat as a learning archer... Hats off to you good sir!
“Cheek. Check. Punch.” Yup, let's do it: I will use action words. Great stuff! 🙇🏻😎🏹
This is great content. Your pre pandemic content was very good and helpful. Now. This is excellent for all archers, no matter their focus or tackle, as long as they keep their jacket sleeves out of the way. The shot by shot maritime and commentary helps. Keep it up.
Bro is on the youtube grind💪💪Keep up the great work!
This was a much needed lesson to focus on specific self-talk now that I'm spending time with a thumb draw again. It's easy to forget that sort of thing when I step away from archery for a while. Today, before I watched this, I did sorta talk to myself about actually getting the draw right since I'm still new to Asiatic. I was holding my index finger too far over my thumb and got scraped from the nock point and arrow nock on the side of my knuckle. I got it right when I actually talked to myself, but did occasionally forget afterward. Gotta always tell myself to close up the other fingers and leave a space between my thumb and pointer.
Absolutely. You'll find that as you advance in your practice, you'll find different things that you tell yourself. I've been hammering in a FULL DRAW command to remind myself to get the right length and not rush the shot.
Is not really rare, but now, since you’ve watched this one, the algorithm of youtube is going to show you much more content like this.
The best instruction on this that I’ve seen! Epic! Thanks for the insight into your self talk!
Incantations, sacrifices? Oh man, you're telling me the headless beanie-babies laying all over the field have had no effect on my shooting. You burst my bubble from the opposite end of the Earth -- That's good aim, especially for thumb release!
Recently joined an archery club n they are a bit sniffy about Asiatic archery . They recon you cant aim right side n thumb draw ,now i can prove then wrong .Thank you Sensei 😁
Amaizing motivation for shooting, i finished my 3 hour training and now i am relaxing but after watching this i wanna shoot some more and i want to be better then yesterday 😅😊
Great video- thanks a lot!
Fascinating. Thank you.
What a fantastic video! Thankyou for your efforts!
I like the way you study your archery, sensei is a good name for you. However, some laughs are ok too i guess. At 10:54 it is funny when you say: "i want to feel the shaft here"😂🎉😅😮😊
Yes, easily replaced by "arrow", but funnier this way 😂
Great content and shooting!
correct spine and perfectly matching arrows is my top tip lol
Enjoying your content👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺
Nice! I¨d like to try it. However, I have a general problem with aiming. I am a right handed shooter, but do have a left dominant eye. Therefore, so far I do not aim at all. What do you recommend? Is it still possible to aim? (I do thumb shooting.)
From 12:12 the camera is at a very good angle and you can easily see that all arrows are fishtailing ( bad flight), so here is noob question ; if we are trying to build accuracy isnt this a good time to try doing/learning khatra at the same time?
Yes, form and technique should be developed as an ongoing process. The point in this video is to establish that the first step - and ironically overlooked - is to recognise that you are pointing the bow in the direction. Training often puts all the emphasis on form, but gives no ownership of the shot because aiming isn't "important". This is a reminder to consciously identify your reference points so that you can remove one variable, so when the arrows don't go there, it is possible to connect this to form.
After shooting thumb draw for several years, I get the feeling that thumb draw archers who stress instinctive shooting over a methodical process, even for stationary shooting, are low key hoarding their knowledge behind a thin veil of mysticism to prop up their ego.
Oh and yes i ware glasses to. Im considering getting contact lences just for archery, with glasses especially when its hot, the slip, sometimes get foggy, they can be abit annoying lol, but without them i cant see the target to well, so its a give and take thing.
When i mentioned in your video before this, because i watched that first i wrote that i shoot fast. But im not trying to be flashy, im not just guessing where the arrow will go. I just find for me personally, i have a window of time, and im very much aware of what im looking at and aware of the aim, i just happen to find that for me the longer i stay in anchor i often miss where i intend the arrow to hit. So yes its still a very strict process i use, im just very quick to aligne my shot, my pre anchor is slow though, i will look at the target and not take my eye off the place i intend on hitting, so its 1. Slow to anchor 2. At anchor 3. Around 3 seconds after in anchor and my tip is where i want it i let go. For me thats just how i work best, again its not to be flashy or especially now its certainly not instinctive, im very much aiming, just a quick time box for me when at anchor. I really enjoy the way you explain things, its just very good, and really does help with understanding the process, especially mine because yes it is fast, but its not willing or somehow feeling the shot, its very purposely done to get my arrow where i want it to go by the tip of the arrow, i am not just going into achor then thinking a "spirit" will guide my shot, no, my aim is guiding my shot. I mean 3 to 4 seconds is for me a long time lol.
I agree. There's a point where holding and taking longer doesn't benefit the quality of the shot. The risk factor is sometimes you will shoot before you are ready, and that's a habit that must be controlled.
@@NUSensei
Absolutely. I think it's all about being relaxed and not over thinking it. I don't think to myself "right I'm going to shoot very fast" lol, it's just a rhythm i get into, i have my quiver on my side and even that is a smooth removal of arrows, i only have 5 max in there so I'm not fumbling around trying to pick one. It's another thing i love about it, you are completely in your zone, and it can be for me abit like meditation lol, I'm just not rushing for rushing sake, it's all a rhythm.
thanks mate.
That was fun👍🏼🇦🇺
Well, the “cheek” aiming is not a must in instinctive shooting, for instance, Kassai Lajos sistem, shoots at chest height as well as Lars Andersen.
Kassai is a horse archer; his method is "true" instinctive. Horse archers benefit more from drawing to the chest, and the offset is less of a problem when they are shooting at very close distance targets.
Where did you get that quiver? I like the look and practicality of it
Tengri Bows.
@@NUSensei Thank you
Got any 3D courses near you? Would be nice to see with Thumbdraw.
Good to see that this isn't just instinctive.too many channels suggest that. Do you have anything on troubleshooting grips? If I don't wear a bandaid,I consistently get a blood blister on the base of my index finger on my shooting hand. I've tried opening my grip a little. My only other thought is that my bow came with a brass nock.
Which style of archery are you doing?
Yeah I'd guess it's the brass nocking point. I've had similar problems in the past. With thumb draw you need that index finger to put some pressure on the shaft to keep it in place, so the nocking point will always be in contact on release, the metal ones are gonna scrape you. I also think the brass ones reduce the life of the string. You should be able to get it off with some pliers or something, and make your own nocking point with tape or thread.
@@NUSensei thumb draw, not a particular form. I've watched some tutorials from your channel and Malta archery. The blister that forms is right on thr first joint of your index finger and hand if that makes sense. Thank you so much!
I'd get rid of the brass nocking point and try again. I got those separately on string delivery, and never put them on. They seem a good idea, but all I can see is extra danger.
You can tie your own nocking point with some serving string.
do you teach instructor classes on line?
Is it right that if you shoot with metal thumb ring in an AA competition you would actually be classed as bare compound because the thumb being metal is considered a release aid.
Is a leather thumb ring ok for AA?
By World Archery rules, a thumb ring would be considered a release aid and release aids are only allowed in the Compound division. I imagine AA will run the same interpretation of that rule.
I can't say for sure if leather thumb tabs qualify as a non-release aid.
The thing to be careful with in AA is that Asiatic doesn't fit into AA divisions. AA doesn't have a "Traditional" division, but a "Longbow" one, which has very specific definitions over what a Longbow is and permitted equipment. Specifically, the AA rules say that the Mediterranean draw MUST be used, either split finger (1 over 2 under) or three-under touching the arrow, so this would, by letter of the law, disqualify thumb shooting - even though the intent of the law is to prevent stringwalking and facewalking.
What are the length and weight of your arrows?
Ty for this video, i m not confortable with an anchor point on my face. Do you think it s possible to have the same accuracy without anchor point on face. I use the same bow, the raptor, but i don have the same groups has you😅
You can, but it's inherently going to be less consistent without a solid anchor point. You need to find a way to have a reference point that will verify your alignment.
@@NUSensei it make sens; il will try this evening again and if i have not the same result as you at 30 m the only explanation is that we don't have the same arrows😂
I tried and you are right, i m more consistent with your way of shooting. Thank you very much NUSensei😘
How big is the gold target actually (beginner here)?
That gold spot is about 30cm in diameter. It's just the soft foam core for these target butts.
I am no expert. It seems that the arrows are front heavy?
😂
do you teach instructor classes on line?