Pre Emission vs Post Emission Semi Trucks - Which One Should You Buy?
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Pre Emission vs Post Emission Semi Trucks - Which One Should You Buy?
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My first truck I bought was a 2012 386 Peterbilt with a Paccar engine. Paid $56k for the truck with 500k miles on it. Probably spent over $30k in the first 4 years of owning it, most of it on emission bs. What a freaking nightmare! Eventually had to get it deleted. Now it sits in a junkyard. I bought a 2000 Freightliner with a 6nz. Much happier with this one. Runs and pulls much better. Plus parts are much cheaper. This guy is a mechanic. He makes money when your truck is in the shop, not on the road. Go buy a pre emission truck and rebuild it if needed. You'll be better off and have more money in your pocket.
I went through the same thing. Had a 2010 Cascadia nothing but problems even though it was already cleaned out prior. The plastics just don’t hold up. Now I got a old Classic XL 12.7 and love it so much. It has never let me down on the road and the few times something went wrong I was able to limp it to a shop. That’s the last truck I’ll ever buy.
He did say 2015 and up. So that’s why you had a POS.
It seems like the truck manufacturers got their shit together after 2015. I would imagine there would be a multitude of emissions problems when the first models started rolling out of the factories at that time peroid.
I own 2 trucks an 06 W9 with a CAT and a 2019 T680, the T680 I've had for a couple of months so far seems great. Bought it with 408k on it, it currently has 425k, bought it for 92k with a 400k warranty on the entire def system, engine, transmission, and differentials. So I have warranty out to 900k miles, I'm not too worried about it. I will say it is not smart to buy a post emissions truck as YOUR ONLY truck, if my T680 goes down ill be running my W9.
Why in the hell you would buy paccar motor at first place
How is everyone doing? Haven’t done videos for a while, busy moving and working on the new truck shop we bought.
I was thinking about buying a truck but now I just want to become a diesel technician. I'm tired of driving in my early thirties. I'm good with working on cars.
Good luck! If you are nearby, you can work for us.
I'm still running 38 of the Original 50 1986 Pete 359's my Dad Custom Ordered in 1985. Each of the 38 are Fully Mechanical and been Maintained to Pristine Condition, Mechanical and Appearance. Each have over 5 Million miles. Proper Maintaining will keep them going.
Pre emission is up to 2002. 2003 and later are engines with EGR. Which make them an emission engine.
Love your channel dude keep up the great work
I appreciate the support 👍👍
I am not a truck driver nor do I intend to buy a truck but these videos are still cool.
Thank you for your support! 👍
Thanks for input buddy. Good info
Thank you!
Thanks Ryan. That was informative. I been really scattered on what to select for a work truck.
Good luck!
Amazing, thanks Ryan for the info, most of it I did not know you are the MASTER.
Thank you! 😊
Excellent content your putting out
Thank you! 🙏
Words of wisdom boys and girls.....good luck on the new shop Ryan.
Thank you! 🙏
Thanks, words of wisdom
Pre emissions are keeping my pockets full. Post emissions are keeping the mechanics pockets full.
So glad I have a series 60 14L. Been a great engine to work on and paid for itself long ago.
Best engine ever made, zero issues on mine🎉
2000 Pre emission Ddec 4 470hp 12.7......freightliner century.....Runs like a Champ.....Blow By King.....
Can these type of engines go into California ?
@elperrocovero some have from what I've heard. Just not ports or rails, I was told.
I have a 93 FLD 120 with 243,000 original miles. It was a farm truck until I purchased it. No rust got if for less than 10k. My biggest expenses were because of dry rotted item’s.
Omg man please spray that truck with fluid film every few months. If you spend a few bucks now to keep it rust free it will be worth a ton of money someday.
As usual, you're exactly right. I've done it both ways, pre and post emissions. I run an old 98 international with an N14. It's pretty beat, 2.5m miles, a lot of leaks, and a lot of rust. But it's solid and I fix it myself, having a mechanical background as well. Got out of a 2018 cummins X15, that was a nightmare, constant wiring and derate issues, dumped it at 498k miles, bought my current old girl for 18k, put another 10k into it doing the work myself and I feel like this truck will still be on the road long after the '18 is in the junkyard. Oh yeah, screw that dealer that only does hood trucks in sandusky area.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Mechanic background is a big factor for the success of your trucking business.
Don't wash your electronics engines. When they ask at the streaking beacon, always say no.
Ohio truck sales? Lol
The company truck I drive is a 2020 t680 with a PACCAR engine and I've been derated 3 times in the last year requiring me to find an authorized service place and just recently being towed over 2 hours to the nearest one. Im afraid of buying a new truck now because of this and thought going pre emission will protect me but I have no mechanic experience. Is it worth it to buy an older truck and put an extra 10 grand or even rebuild an old engine if you don't have to deal with the emissions nonsense? I drive in Canada so all the salt is probably not good for the extra electrical components in new engines
@@Josiah_Harder You should consider a glider. They were built thru 2020 model year with pre-emission Detroit 60 and Cummins n14 engines. They'll be hard to find right now but it might still be your best route to a low mileage pre-emission truck. But you do need to know gliders before shopping for one though, because all glider engines are rebuilt, and some rebuilds are better than others. Some rebuilds were done by the factory and others by Farmer Bob with his Backyard Backhoe in his brother Darryl's 150 year old barn, but luckily Bob is pretty sure he put most of the parts back in.
If you're buying and fixing an older truck, you'll want to pay attention to the condition of the chassis. A well-rebuilt engine will be like new, but the body will still have a million miles on it.
Thank you buddy, that's good information. I have a freightliner cascadia 2016 with Cummins engine, and it's just started giving me problems with egr I just don't know good honest mechanics
You are welcome! If you need help, you can always call us!
I have a 2001 FLD120 N14 with 478k miles….had it for over 10 years
Thank you Ryan❤️👍🇺🇸🚛
You are welcome! 🙏
Currently driving a 23 cascadia. 170k miles, all me
Truck has already had to have part of the DPF system replaced, and has had to have a couple forced regens.
Last truck i was on, a 21 cascadia, this issue+a wiring harness issue. Went down for 2 months.
Definitely gonna be buying pre emissions when i get out from underneath this next year.
Pre. The trucking companies I know bought brand new post admissions trucks and took them back almost immediately.
I believe also the newer trucks have a hard time maintaining the power over the miles. The older ones were much more reliable.
Good advice Ryan. I too wish I could run a brand new Pete with a 3406 but I live in Cali. Trucking world is changing fast so keep those videos coming. 👍
Thank you!
Thanks
I've got a 2015 glider kit with a Detroit 60 I'm looking to buy. I think this might be a good product. It is very clean and new engine.
Curious how much they ask for it?
150k it is a private party.
I got my first and still driving it truck for free and it's an old 1992 Ford aeromax with 500,000 miles on it with a Cummins 782 and a 9 speed Rockwell tyranny. Good enough for over the road.
All you said just makes sense. Emissions are the present and future just learn how to deal with it.
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I have a 2013 Pete 587 with a 06 Detroit series 60 and it’s a relief not having all that wiring or emissions
Glider truck?
What’s your opinion on fuel additives for combating dpf/def issues? Could you do a video on that?
For disclosure, my father used to be a trucker himself. From what I've heard, the 2017 & newer emission trucks are far more "reliable" than those before it. Have you had the same experience with trucks that have come across your shop?
Good Video Ryan !! You saved me a headache from going to a place I won’t mention here but I gave it a second thought and decided to pass because of your video. No need to pay 79 to 100 for beautified junk
Glad it helped! Good luck!
So you'd rather give waste your money on DEF REGEN DERATE, I'd rather get an old truck and overhaul it and take it from there
I'm with you....older pre emission all day....
love your videos Ryan. keep up the good work. love you no homo
Thank you 👍👍👍
Can you make a video on how to change a DEF filter please
I own a 2007 with isx poor mpg about 5 average however I barely run through the shop other than basic PM and i work on it myself
With a 2014 cascadia i spent $22k within the first month never again🙃
Been down for 3 weeks right now getting new frame rails put under it. 98 Pete 379 exhd, detroit, new trans, new rears, doing motor next year. Keep the older ones long as you can, i'll have less than 65k in it with new paint end of next year & no def sensor bound pos
What about extra fuel consumption?🥺
@@mofozi571 B.S come run WV with me running reefer 44k in the box and we'll see your fuel milage..wait i already do run vs newer trucks, and hmmm the fuel difference is minimal!!! like 100 bucks a week..i'll take it!
Where are you getting the rails done, and what are they charging? i was thinking of stretching mine, but kind of want new rails..curious about the price of it...was thinking around 10k to 15k..
@@Dubya9W9 thanx for the reply
@@Dubya9W9 what year you running? And what do you think about the full till ceramic exhaust manifold? Worth it or nah?
I’ve got a couple friends who bought new both went bk after trucks were in shop more than thay were on the road I’ve got a 379 2003 pre with a single turbo 6nz I’ve owned it for 14 years and it occasionally has a problem but my repair costs average
Around 5000 a year that’s not including tires I do preventive maintenance I roll new bearings in it every 400000 miles change oil every 10000 miles the truck is the most reliable money maker I’ve ever owned
Hey Ryan, what about buying 2008 Columbia body and buy the engine separately?
I bought a worn out w900 to restore and it took 73k in parts. They price gouge you on the non mechanical stuff.
Ouch! But at least you know what you got and hopefully it’s worth it for resale!!
Hope you spend little money for the worn out w900.
I have an 05 379 love it! I run Calf never had a problem. I have a C15 with a out of frame rebuild new 13 speed transmission and a new clutch came with 4 year unlimited mile warranty. My last truck was a 2017 Kenworth and it was junk nothing but problems! I personally will not buy another emission truck again.
Thank you for sharing!
how much did the 13 speed cost you? I have a 10 and I'm thinking of going 13.
@@benjaminwhite5593 sorry I don’t remember I want to say around 6k but I would have to look on the bill which is at home. I bought it thru cat as part of the rebuild so I got some discounts
@@godsok1 Got it. I'm hoping by end of summer I can get it switched. This 10 spd is kicking my butt. Especially since I usually run out west
Can you comment on the new SCOTUS EPA ruling? Could we possibly get the Gliders back in production as it should be?
Another point is what you spend in maintaining your newer trucks the older trucks lose in fuel and more with the 6 mpg
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You have to take into consideration all the breakdowns. they will cost you at least a day in pay, and that's if you can get the part and replace it yourself and the money spent on stupid sensors. NOX sensor for my old 2350 were between $500 and $1000. If you don't know what your doing it can get very pricey quick when dealing with shops out on the road. It could cost you thousands for a stupid sensor and days lost.
I had a nox sensor go out on me, wasn't throwing a direct code, just a derate warning, so I had it in the shop 3 days waiting for them to have the time to figure It out. With days lost on work and the price of the shop I figured I lost about 6 to 7 grand on a fking sensor...fk theses new trucks. I now own a 2000 379 with a 6nz. When I open the hood and see the lack of BS a it warms my heart. I run heavy so fuel mileage never changed much for me anyways
Miles don't mean anything on a truck. Everything can be replaced and engines can either be rebuilt or replaced. Not only are old trucks more reliable but even if you have to replace everything own the truck. It's still cheaper than buying a 150000 dollar truck that you will still have to spend money on and good luck getting to figure out what's wrong with it and parts are way more expensive for newer trucks IF you can even get them. Old school for life!!!
Agreed with the miles don’t mean anything, I would suggest to find out the true information about the truck. Such as the mileage from the rebuilt engine.
Working on it…
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Hi Ryan, great videos as usual. We farm. Therefore not many miles. Bought a 9900 IH heavy spec new in 07 with 500 ISX. Now only has 95,000 miles. Trouble free and worth more now than we paid then. But like you say, it’s not for sale. Cheers
Thanks for sharing! 👍
1993 IH Eagle 330,000 miles paid $8500 on bigiron...Probably could sell for 25,000..
'Preciate the info, I've leased and ran 2 separate rigs, both a '12 and DPF Filters only, one a 425 CAT and another a MF13, I let each go back on the lease...if a guy wanted to start looking for a used truck, would you care to comment? Thank you.
Ryan thanks for getting back to me on that Texas inspection visit. Can I ask your honest opinion please? Would you deter someone from buying a near mint condition 2007 columbia with a Mercedes mbe 4000 motor? I know from your videos you recommend cummins motors but I can afford this truck and like I said it's in excellent condition. Thanks much in advance sir.
I would stay away from Mercedes-Benz engines.
Hey Ryan great video as usual! Quick question, there's is a used Bosch hds 200 selling for $140 vs a used Bosch hds 250 selling for $280. Which one would you recommend to buy? Appreciated.
I have the 200, it works well. But I think the 250 might have more features. If price is an issue, 200 is just fine.
How u feel about 2007 volvo cummins?
How do you personally feel about a glider try? I know they are pricey but just wondering your professional opinion. Thank you so much. I love the videos.
I will make a video next week about glider. I have mixed feeling about it.
@@truckingandfixing That’s awesome. Thank you I feel the same. Can’t wait for the video.
I was going to ask the same thing. Looking forward to the video on it
Anything u say… I believe a pre emission truck is better
Besides that, it’s easy to work on.
My 97 Pete 378, insanely easy to work on… my 15 freightshaker cascadia, almost impossible to do work yourself because of how technical every part is and getting to it if u don’t have specialty tools
I've bought 3 early to mid 2000s trucks in the past 7 years with over a million miles but "well maintained" A long hood Pete with a Cat, Freightliner Columbia Detroit and Mack Vision E7. They were all worn out junk. I will never buy another truck with over 500,000 again. Lesson learned. I got into a new Kw T880 and never looked back. I still have the Columbia, but it just pulls a camper now.
It is hard to find a well maintained old truck nowadays
@@truckingandfixing They sell alot of trucks every week on bigiron, peuplewave and auction time...20% of them are good ol'farm trucks..
It's not that difficult to find someone to service post emissions trucks with deleted DEFs here in California. I've heard many people say that their trucks with deleted DEFs have almost no problems compared to their trucks with all the emissions shenanigans. The dealership might not want to service your truck if you have deleted emissions but after your warranty is up who really cares about getting it serviced there anyway?
I buy only pre ECM. if it doesn't have a rod going to the fuel pump I don't want it. So 1990 on back
I know Justin with Flint Creek transport on RUclips is a big fan of pre emission trucks they do have some emissions trucks but the majority of the trucks they use is pre emission
Just bought a 99 Kenworth T600 with 765k on it, has a CAT C-12 10 speed automatic, pretty good looking truck, but what's your opinion on the CAT C-12/Automatic set up?
Was this a 3 pedal auto shift? How's it doing? Do you like it?
Great vedeo mate 👍 on my experience and my opinion I have older trucks and new trucks and the really true is ALL trucks after 99 or 2000 they have much electronics sensors and stuffs they are more economic engine's but not have a same fiability like the oldest trucks of course 🤔 but year after year if you buying a new truck with a last generation of the engine's in 5years you not save money just moved money because on this 5years you stuck in workshop many times, no makes money, loses good trips, mostly of the time you lose a company who work because the truck stuck many hours and have much troubles!etc... (my example: in case when i driving a older truck pet 379 98model with a CAT engine 3408 right now over 3.770.000kms!! without rebuilding in same trip like a new truck new engine low emissions, egr,adblue, particle filter,etc... fucking sensors, fucking electronics 😝 if not broken down I save much money on new truck of course 👏👏 but around the year after a year it's a bad idea buying a new truck!! I prefer dispend a little bit more on fuel but I making more money and I don't have problems with the work company's the truck going anywhere and back and making money if we making a correct maintenance on the trucks 1000% sure the best trucks are a oldest fucking ALL the news trucks no matter what model or make 👎👎 the problem is a political rules bolshits contamination!🤔 it's a fucking business 😤 stolen money from transportation companies for making gunes and etc... for makes wars!!! not offense fellas but on this moment it's not a good idea buying a truck if you don't understand how fixing your truck do not buying a truck! When it's new very good full warranty 👏👏👌👍 but if you starting a have problems you going down very faster and lose everything 🙄😕 I wish to ALL a great luck and driving carefully leave the damm phone in flying mode or silent when they driving 👌👍 I recommend this for anyone to driving vehicles on the road 👏👌👍 cheers from Norway 🇳🇴
I am fooking sick of these neo-bolsheviks around the world..
Those fleets get rid of emissions truck at 300k 400k for a reason. I’d stay clear if your owner operator. They’ll break you unless you know how to work on it and have the software. These mega fleets will run them 100k with between oil changes. Run away if you can’t buy a new one.
02 international 9200i Cummings N14 2.2 million miles and counting
Hello I bought a 2011 freightliner Cascadia that has a the last 2010 motor that doesn't have def just an egr. Is there anything special I could to keep it running good it has 705000 miles put 20000 miles on it since I bought it
cut that freaking egr off...
Thoughts on pre emission ISX ?
Hmm, could be a good video idea, stay tuned
Probably better then the ISX 15. I have a 2004 387 Peterbilt on an ISX with a EGR. Don’t know if we could consider that Pre- emissions?? No problems with that at all. Only problem I had was after the 600k miles I wasn’t paying to much attention on my oil changes you will ruin those engines if you don’t do the PM every 10 to 12k. A friend of mine went with the same engine for more then 1.7 million with 0 issues.
Hello what you think about 2015 FREIGHTLINER glider with engine 60 with 700k miles?
Not bad from the spec. Still need to look into the truck itself for additional work needed to be done, such as leaking from seals etc.
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Thank you!
I have 97 western star 4900 with cat 3406e been a great truck for the 17,800 I paid fir it. I also have a 97 international eagle 9400i with 12.7 Detroit got it for 7,800. You absolutely can make more money with an older affordable truck. Just check the engine tranny and wiring thoroughly. Even if you replace all brakes, airbags, shocks, bearings and seals,, paint frame, and tires you still only have to put about 10 grand into it and you own it outright. Additionally, that pre emissions mfr will be more reliable and outlive all these new trucks. A rebuild on any of my trucks is only 10-15 grand. My turbos new are about 1 grand. New vg turbos on the isx or Detroit are at least 5 grand and unreliable. Ever sat next to a modern truck doing a regen? It's extremely toxic 🤮
The only thing you didn’t mention were glider kits - best of both worlds - pre emissions engines in newer trucks.
Just add more zero's!!! They're not making them anymore and the market on those is even crazier!! You could replace the emissions equipment on a new truck three times for the extra you're going to pay for a glider...
Totally agree!
@@sturgelltruckingllc4074 but while you’re in the shop replacing those emissions systems 3 times, the glider is up and running and producing revenue. Comparing what a new emissions truck cost now, if you can find one, apples to apples, the glider is a better buy. Cheaper to work on when they do go down, and a whole lot more reliable.
Ryan can do it in a day, you won't be down that long, heck you won't even be able to get your 34-hour reset in..... just saying, but if you want a glider and you have $200K + in your pocket, by all means go get one
@@sturgelltruckingllc4074 A - you’re making the assumption that when that emissions truck goes down, it’ll be at a shop. One that is as competent as Ryan. B - they’re not making anymore pre emissions trucks either. But for me, if I was in the market for a truck and I’m spending 150-180K, I’m buying the glider. Hands down. Emissions trucks that were 50K 2 yrs ago are now going for twice that. Rode hard and put away wet. Not everybody has 10K to replace a one box. Then inframe a motor because you’re not going to get a million miles out of that emissions motor like you can a glider.
How can i get in touch with you about getting some work done on my truck?
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You can give us a call or send us an email to schedule an appointment
Why buy between 400/600k miles?
Yes you can run a pre- emissions truck in california but there are state stipulations you need to look into, there is a lot of misinformation about California.
Most companies will not lease on that old of a truck , mostly 5 years old or newer
That’s why you run your own authority
Not only emissions on newer trucks but air disc brakes are a royal pain. Pull a rotor guess what? You're doing a wheel seal too.
What are your thoughts on buying a new truck roller and putting an older fully overhauled engine like a 12.7 in it? Trying to enter truck world and become an owner op while maintaining my own truck. I have the shop space, tools to do it I just don’t know the legalities compared to swapping engines in cars, is swapping a truck frame or buying a 2018-2022 to swap with a different engine accepted, or will you get chewed out in different states? Do you know if new chassis on trucks use vin coded modules so there is no easy retrofitting of old engines to new hardware anymore? That’s how cars are nowadays.
I’m pretty sure that’s illegal now with all the emission laws stuff.. if anyone inspects you’d be screwed…
Pre emissions all the way . Deeeeep
Why nobody mentioned fuel mileage? Good luck to get 9 mpg with pre-emission 😁
9 mpg is super.
My buddy truck gets 8 mpg only problem is it’s been in the shop for 4 months with all types of issues.
I'll take higher fuel consumption and peace of mind maintenance-wise over 7-9mpg but always in the shop for emissions issues ANY DAY!
@@Britcarjunkie None of them get 9 mpg! unless they are running Fl with pillows in the trailer!..i run WV vs newer day cabs, and lol 9 mpg all of a sudden turns into 6 mpg
@@Dubya9W9 Many of them are sub 5mpg once they're at 70mph: my C-15 gets 6.5mpg all day long at 75mph, and I have no emissions garbage to break down on my every few months.
From your videos it seems like you love CUMMINS, but what are your thoughts on PACCAR?
Here is a video that I shared my thought about Paccar along with other common engines. Which Semi Truck Engine To Buy - Detroit, Caterpillar, Cummins, Pacaar, Volvo, Mack & International
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@@truckingandfixing thank ya!! yep saw that one, did ya have a list any common issues with those engines other than the software price?
Good question! Let me work on the list and share that with you over a video. 🙂
@@truckingandfixing thank ya for the knowledge!!
You are welcome!
I would never go emission to much downtime in the shop not enough power not reliable and new trucks are over priced as well. Get you a pre emission engine build it if necessary everything breaks if it's man made but with the new engines it's all this technical crap guarantee that pre emissions give you a problem 9 out of 10 it's something simple I like something I can work on myself or my mechanic and stay far away from those 200 dollar an hour dealership
Newer trucker has more computer parts, I agree it is more maintenance
I haven't seen a "pre-emission" truck sit in the shop for over a month for sensor & parts shortage...I'll stay pre-emission as longs as I can. Brand new trucks are well over $200K & fuel approaching $6/gal. No thanks!
I agree pre emission truck has less repairs. But some of them has a lot worse fuel efficiency. With fuel getting so expensive, you will easily see that your fuel cost with pre emission trucks are $30,000 more than the newer trucks. It can easily offset the repair cost. Just a point, no disagreement
Pre emissions. Save ur headaches 😩
Eh mu 2000 KW has been my golden goose and I payed 69k for it
Not really a good advice. You’re guiding people to get emission trucks and have them get into more issues. Please don’t listen get ya self a pre emission truck and maintain it run it for years to come make money and avoid headaches!!
My post emissions trucks don’t have emissions 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly. Ever since, I’ve had zero issues.
@@Anthony_thom92 yup it’s nothing but problems
@@Milo-mc6dd now all my problems are shitty freightliner engineering issues hahaha
Would you buy a truck from Ohio truck sales
I haven’t seen a decent truck from there so far, the price is so inflated. I am sure they have good trucks there if you find the right one at the right price.
Are you near by there so if I need you, can ypu do a inspection they have a 1998 w900 with a series 60 with a 13 speed is on the first page almost to the bottom of the page let me know what you think thanks
Ohio truck sales buys older trucks, does minor repairs and will sometimes throw a paint job on a truck. They all seemed to have new front bumpers and stacks. Then there going to tack on an extra 40k on the price tag when it hits the lot. So if you can get financing, you're better off finding a used truck from someone getting out of the business.
I went to ots for a day and looked at over 100 trucks. Just about every one was ragged out. I wanted a eld exempt truck so that made it even harder to find. They sure look nice in their pictures on the website, but once you show up and start crawling around them, it turned into a big nope for me
All a moot point if you travel to California. As of next yeas 2023, you won't be allowed into California if you truck is older than 2010.
The Truck market and the sign of the times is the weaker dollar. Our dollar is worth less therefore our trucks are going up in price.
Yes, this is part of the reason everything is more expensive. For the old pre emission truckers, they are more expensive due to the demand.
Pre Emission 100%..I wont have that BS on 1 single truck or farm tractor....Old school...
i have a n14 ecm that i will sell if you havent bought one yet.
Thanks, planning to sell the truck. Because I most likely don’t have time to restore it. Thank you for the offer. 👍
stop adding stupid electronics on heavy duty machines and try hybrid
Midwest white people don’t get enough credit, y’all are really nice!
I wish everybody was more helpful like this guy
You think exactly like me. And another think you delete the truck after come another problems so will be all same
Sounds like to me their selling trucks that are putting your like in dangerous situation government should step in
I know allot of people don't know that some cat engines have a pcv filter that needs to be checked and cleaned from time to time....