The actors playing the turtles were the only thing I liked about the movies. 😂 I actually felt like they got their personalities down pretty well. And like you said, they had great chemistry, and they are the best part of the movie. If we would’ve seen MORE of the turtles through out the movie, and focused more on their relationships with each other instead of focusing too much on April, we could’ve grown more attached to them and gotten past the poor design choices. Also, it would’ve been cool to see them use more martial arts and ninja techniques, but they’re massive size made the scenes where they actually fight look weird. I don’t mind that they have some muscle, they’ve always had some muscle, but it’s their overall size that puts me off. There were a lot of missed opportunities in these movies that could’ve saved them from being as bad as they are. For what they are, I actually don’t hate the movies, I found them fun and entertaining. But they’re still bad. And they just had potential to be so much better. 🤷♀️
I thought both movies were a fucking a mess, and I could never get over the turtles being turned into such ugly monstrosities. Only good reason to watch these movies is Megan Fox, not because she did a good job as April (she didn't) but because she looks damn sexy in these films
Making Splinter a normal rat who taught himself and the turles martial arts is...certainly a choice. There is a reason other adaptation make it so Splinter used to be human. Also, how does this make Splinter the turtles' dad? They mutated at the same time, he might as well be their brother.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoindeed I prefer the fact that splinter was a human who fought the shredder, so that years later, his sons will finish what he started
I feel you're kinda underselling the success of the '03 show. It was a pretty big ratings success in it's first few seasons and it was the best selling toy and general kids merchandise for two years in row. It tapered off really quickly and the cgi movie came out too late to capitalize on it but for a while it was pretty big among kids.
03 seems like the forgotten middle child now but in the UK when it came out it was massive initially. There was a second Turtlemania like in the late 80s.
The Michael Bay Ninja Turtles failed because the first film became a prime example of "Clueless Hollywood changing things that didn't need to be changed", and the sequel also suffered as a result. And what's remarkable is that Paramount probably wouldn't have redesigned Sonic The Hedgehog if not only because of the fan backlash to the original Sonic design, but how the similar fan backlash to the Bay Ninja Turtles' designs eventually doomed that franchise.
It's very surreal hearing you talk about being nostalgic for the TMNT craze of the early 2010's. Like...I remember the original craze. And the 2003 resurgence. And the 2012 reboot. Hearing about it like it's your childhood makes me realize just how long ago 2012 was
I don't know why but the image looks like rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles the shredder it's a really good series i would recommend 18:20 if you already have seen the show good for you and also there's a season 2 you didn't know that
If only Imagi hadn't gone bankrupt and could've made the intended sequels to TMNT 2007. Would've liked to have seen their planned Gatchaman movie, too.
As someone who grew up with a father showing me old cartoons, gatchaman and its former US dubs battle of the planets and g-force are my childhood. When i heard the TMNT studio wanted to make a movie i was hyped and heartbroken when the studio closed. I so wish i could see a world where it released
2007 is my guilty pleasure movie. Yes, it has flaws and the story is far from perfect but come ON. Also I heard of what their plans were for the sequels and we really could've had it all
To me it's pretty clear they didn't have a full plan or vision for this franchise (or at least it feels like it) and it felt like some other Hollywood reboots- embarrassed of the source material so they tried too hard to "fix" it while also removing almost all the charm in the process. From the story and backstory changes of the first movie, to the designs of the Turtles, to the way the second tried to course correct and appeal to 80s cartoon nostalgia. Just feels like they didn't know what to do with the characters in the movies at times.
I think that's part of the reason the second failed so spectacularly. I don't like the first but it was commercially successful and had stiffer competition going up against Guardians of the Galaxy and it had suprising legs. Clearly some people liked it...I know they did because I got into heated debates on message boards at the time. Most admitted it wasn't that good (blaming it on the troubled production) but had faith they were building up to something in sequels like IDW reincarnation and more edgy ninja battles. I imagine it was pretty shocking when the trailers for the sequel hit and it was clear they had no plan and had ditched all the stuff they thought was going to be expanded on.
@@klankorbus7874 While I agree that many people do seem to like the first movie (recently someone in the UK did life size statues of the designs from the reboots and despite them being creepy as hell looking to me based on the photos, most people could still identify them as the Turtles and got a kick out of them) I honestly think that the first movie did so well due to the brand name and maybe even fans just not caring about the numerous changes or wanting to give it a fair shot anyways (the latter was my reasoning to go watch it). The sequel could have also done well if it had a better release date since it was aiming for more mass appeal to fans of the original cartoon but I think what mainly killed it was them trying so hard to course correct and put in characters for the sake of fanservice that it gets in the way of telling a good story.
I was 14 when this movie released so I was its target audience and I got to say it was awesome when I first came out I absolutely loved this movie and even though I know it has problems I can't help but look back on it with a fond type of nostalgia. P.s even though I love this movie the first '90s movie still is my all-time favorite turtles movie / adaptation of the characters.
Dude, I was born in 2003, but I still somehow grew up with both the 03 and 80s series. But like you I also grew up mainly with the 2012 version. I had so many toys and still do.
I was born in 2004, but I do remember watching some episodes of the 80s tmnt but I had no idea there was an 03 version until later. But I did mostly grew up on the 2012 version, well just the 1st season. My old cable provider (Suddenlink) cut-off Viacom channels right before the 2nd season was going to air. And it sucks because it looks like tmnt 2012 definitely got a lot more interesting and intense since the 1st season, and I have no idea where I can watch the full series at.
@@salt5537 that helps & it being on when you wake at 4 am or whatever. around that time it did reruns of old tv show like Spider-Man 1994, a pup named Scobey doo 1988. then many more. I believe still do reruns of old shows.
I think it’s funny how they made April have a connection with the turtles early on and not shredder when usually shedder was the one that had some sort of emotional connection with the turtles early on and that was a huge problem with this movie is that it felt so lifeless without there being a hamato yoshi or yoshis pet and oroku saki connection
ugh, i still don't understand why their so freaking huge! aren't they supposed to be teenagers? Couldn't they have been designed to be at or a little shorter than April? Not to mention the overdesigning with all the extra bits on their person. Gonna be making a lot of clanging noises while their trying to ninja around. They should have been called "Adult Mutant Behemoth Turtles".
@@BlurroBlue true, teens can be huge. I'm not saying that the turtles can't be ripped, I'm just saying the turtles being 9 feet tall just feels unnecessary. Maybe Bay should just do the Cyber Samurai Mutant Ninja Turtles or Street Sharks if he wants them to be that big.
He should have just done a Street Sharks film. The Turtles were turned into Teenage Gamma Ninja Hulk Brothers. Their martial arts training was completely unnecessary when they could just run into a vehicle vehicle with their shell and obliterate the vehicle. At that size they could not possibly be ninjas. They don't need stealth and can't be stealthy anyway. They don't need weapons when they can fit a man's head in their hands and crush it if they wanted to. It was utterly ridiculous.
The idea of April naming the Turtles worked better in the IDW comics. She was a college student interning at TCRI and would usually be in the lab that the Turtles were in. It's a great series but I'm behind on it because I stopped when the original writer Tom Waltz left. It probably is my favorite version of the origin in that they tie in Shredder, Baxter Stockman and Krang into it very naturally.
@@local_legend4521 It performed poorly because Nick did a shit job advertising it and gave it bad time slots on the channel. It wasn't the show's fault. Nick does this with pretty much every new cartoon nowadays.
I grew up with both the 2003 and 2012 version and let me tell you: 13 year old me assumed the 2014 movie would be connected to the 2012 show... ...oh I was so wrong when i saw the teaser. Edit: I misremembered. I was actually 14 and the teaser came out in early spring of 2014
waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
@@jdawson7877 waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
Hot take: i didnt think the designs for the turtles were that bad. I feel like there could have been some minor tweaks that would have made them better though. Also i kind of would like to see what the original movie would have looked like. Maybe as its own thing and not a turtles movie. Lol. It sounded wild.
Agreed, I actually liked the turtle designs for these films - I liked how gritty and mature the designs were, as opposed to the usual childish cartoon designs 🤷🏻♀️
I mean let’s be fair. What exactly would you make a live action mutant turtle look like? I think they did as best as they could trying to adapt the animated versions in a realistic way.
Outside of the turtle look, the turtles themselves were awesome. Their chemistry was well done. The story was weak, and you can tell the movie was patched together to fix major pre release backlash. The shredder out of suit scenes feel and look like reshoots. I enjoyed the sequel a lot more. The sequel really felt like an episode of the old 90s cartoon.
A few sources claim about 1/3rd of the movie was reshot, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if it is a case of patchworking it together, as you’ve suggested.
I LOVED these movies lol. I actually liked the designs because I felt like they did a good job representing the personalities of the characters. It also has my favorite characterization of Mikey :p I can't wait to see what the new live action movie is going to be like!
Agreed, I actually liked the turtle designs for these films as well and same i thought they went well with their personalities too. I liked the gritty mature dark comic book look of these designs
For the 3rd movie, I feel like it would follow the Triceratons storyarc. Like, The Triceratons and General Blanque would have been villains, as well as Krang returning. And Fugitoid and the Utrom being in it as allies to the Turtles. Just saying.
They made clear they had *zero* interest in characters and concepts that were no prominent in the 80s animated series. So there was no chance Triceratons, Utroms or the Fugitoid showing up outside of an easter egg. Karai only made it into these movies for a bit more gender diversity and look how they treated that character.
As someone who was born in '03, I didn't grow up in TMNTs prime, but god it's still my favorite series ever. I can still remember going to see the '07 film for my 4th birthday. Thank you for making this video, it meant a lot.
Tmnt is my favorite franchise and I remember Michael bay tmnt on Pringle cans, Karai in this movie was the voice of tang shen and alopex from the 2012 version, there’s gonna be another movie rise of the tmnt the movie
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I think the designs are fine, but they are way too big. I think they were very well cast and once you see them interacting with one another, you can still believe that they are the turtles.
@@9etherNeo They're actually really short in the Mirage comics. I prefer them either short or human sized, yes. But it's a different interpretation and that's fine. At least these turtles actually feel true to their personalities.
4:34 I love that you used one of Andre's aka Black Nerd Comedy's TMNT videos. Truly one of the biggest TMNT fans I know! But also one of my favorite RUclipsrs who inspired my channel.
22:25 absolutely agree with this. That Raphael scene made me cry when I first watched it, but upon re-watching it, I felt like it would be a lot more hard hitting if it came from a better version of Raphael that I was interested in
The movie wasn't that bad. My issue was their size forcing Shredder to have some battle suit in order to have a chance against them. I liked how he never needed one before proving how skilled he was making him a worthy opponent cause it always took all 4 turtles to beat him. Other than that the chemistry between the turtles were spot on.
The whole April naming the turtles bothered me so much it kinda took me outta the movie, it didn't make any sense to me I mean literally the only circumstance where a child names a turtle any of those names is where TMNT exist
I grew up with the '03 series, I vividly remember when the news of this duology fell, specifically the reactions to the designs, Michael Bay and Megan Fox, my friends and I despised the new noses. I was already preparing myself for a disappointment from that moment on but this hit even harder 😭
It never occurred to me until you pointed out how we don’t really get to see how the turtles interact with each other and have actual character development, also considering Micheal Bay helped with the movies it makes sense that they have so much to them considering the close detail in Transformers and at least they seemed to realize that they was too detailed. ‘Casey’ is basically like ‘April’ from the first film wanting more from their job and trying to dive into something they don’t understand. Also I’m confused as to why the turtles allowed ‘Casey’ to see them if they we’re trying to stay away from human eyes, the only thing that connects them is Bebop and Rocksteady but they was mentioned until ’April’ talks about their mutation. I also agreed that the turtles vs Bebop and Rocksteady was really cool and it definitely would be interesting to see what they would’ve looked as humans but at the same time it wouldn’t be TMNT if they were human lol. I too was born in 2002 and grew up with the 2012 version and I gotta say the 2012 show was so good actually being able to see their personalities and how they act when April wasn’t around and it really gets you emotionally attached (Splinter 🥺) there is the 2018 show as well but I haven’t seen enough of it to really know how good or bad it is.
To me the movies weren’t entirely bad even tho it’s directed by Michael bay overall I feel like In the second film he did a much better job especially bringing characters like bee bop and rocksteady as well as kraang
It's a common misconception because everyone deems them the Bayturtles, but he didn't direct them, only produced them. The directors, or at least the director of the first movie, just really made it stylistically feel like the live action Transformers movies Bay directed and due to the designs of the characters and the presence of Megan Fox it's easy to assume Bay directed them.
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Even if he didn't direct the movie, it feels like it has his fingerprints all over the script. So many explosions, unnecessary hot shots of Megan Fox, slow-mo shots for the trailer, lense flairs and disgusting CGI monsters.
One of my favorite Franchise is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and to this Day I love it like a Passion,however this Doalogy almost killed the Franchise,it has som moments but it doesn't have the Heart and Soul of the Turtles,it doesn't understand the Lore,they look weird as Hell,and Michael Bay wasn't a good idea to direct or be incharged of making TMNT Movies,I hope and pray that the TMNT Franchises getting better in the Future.
IT wouldn't kill the franchise, anymore then Batman and Robin did Batman, or even TMNT 3 did. It might put it on hiatus, but it wouldn't ened. New generations would form to watch new versions.
2003 was my intro to the series and I like the 2012 show. These movies are... fine. I don't hate them. Don't hate the designs. Don't hate anything about the movies. I'm just indifferent which is probably worse. Cause at least if I hated it there would be some passion. Like the Michael Bay Transformers films have a passion behind it's hate but these films... nothing and that makes them less memorable.
The only reason the first made so much money is because nostalgia. Out of the shadows had some good things the guy they recast for Leo was really good I always thought Johnny Knoxville was a miss casting. Bee bop and rock steady were cringe
7:29 Honestly that poster wouldn't look half Bad if the Turtles weren't Hulking Monstrosities. As a matter of fact, I think this poster was referenced in the TMNT/Power Rangers crossover in the comics. Speaking of, could you talk about the development of the Power Rangers 2017 movie?
I just couldn't get over the design of the turtles. I'm sure a lot of people (kids) got lot of enjoyment out of these movies, but I was deffo not in the target audience for it, being a 30 something.
The thing about Shredder being portrayed by a different actor is probably because at the end of the first movie there's a little detail that after he falls to the ground we see his hand clenching near the mutegen canister before he collapses. It's weird nobody ever points that out and just get super confused as to why he looks different when it was literally been hinted at.
I think your overthinking that man, the ooze scene was just to show that he was still alive and had access to more ooze, that was in no way a hint to the actor being changed
@@kylematchinis7751 I'm saying the ooze made him young again it's not that complicated. How? Why? Don't care, and neither would the people making the movie.
@@bluecayser1498 Proper consistency isn't really a strongsuit movies like this have. Especially in Michael Bay films you can just make sh*t up and hope a lore writer can fill in the gaps in tie-in media to get people like us to shut up about it. Ooze can do whatever the writer wants it to do and not all writers are meticulous.
I love these Reboot Movies of Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and The Ninja Turtles are the best cartoon heroes in the half-shell so I hope The Ninja Turtles will hopefully be much better in the future!❤🐢🌟🍕👍🗡
What do you love in them? April having no emotions? The TurtlesS, designs who are weird and a bit ugly? Casey jones not being in the movie? The terrible jokes Mickeal Angelo says? I'm a bit curious :)
@@marijamarcelic3149Thank's for the advice! I don't think his comment makes no sense though. It's ok if he likes the movies and have a different oppinion than us :)
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I feel like I’m the only one who actually likes the character designs. It fits the whole sewers vibe nicely. Their outfits are basically just trash they found laying around the sewers/dark places within the city. I would’ve liked to see them maybe get better costumes as the movies went on, but sadly we only got two.
I'm SOOO VERY GLAD. I Found Your Channel, As You're One Of The FEW Who TOTALLY Gets The Connection Between BOTH Bay & Paramount & That Bay DIDN'T Direct A MAJORITY Of The Stuff He Gets Blamed For! Same Thing with Story Elements, Bay WASN'T The Writer Of ANY #Transformers Film, But He DID Dirext OVER HALF Of Them!
Am I the only one who was actually kind of interested in seeing what the alien version would entail? Seriously, I would actually like to see the franchise have a change of direction.
These movies were definitely an interesting take on the characters. I was born in January 2000 so although I was very little I did watch the 2003 show which is the one I’m most fond of, but I did like the 2012 as well.
I grew up with the 80's series, and I actually like the '14 and '16 films. But I do see why they're not everyone's cup of tea. For instance, take the "Any last words?" scene in '14. Up to this point, Raphael has been the emotional fulcrum of the film. So, with the team hanging on to a collapsing tower, falling to their presumed doom, Mikey admits he didn't understand the ending of "Lost" (really, who did?), Don admits to being the one who messed with the Pop Tarts...and then Raph goes on a stemwinder of soliloquy, ending with an "I love you guys so much!"...and then... *record scratch* "Raph? We made it. Are you crying?" What? Just, WHAT? When you set up a catharsis, and instead you go for comic relief, you've just completely undercut the payoff. You've taken the emotional climax of the film, and made a shaggy dog joke out of it. That's one thing I can name, that they got wrong in '14. Another, was keeping the leads offscreen at the beginning, for as long as they did. That CAN work, depending on the story you're trying to tell. But you need the right material to pull it off, and this...wasn't it. It wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. But it also wasn't nearly as good as it should have been.
Other than the issues with the original movie I think the big issues came with Out of the Shadows I think the issue with out of the shadows was that the Kraang, and Stocmann stories should have been 2 separate movies, it would have been less muddled, and confused
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Allegedly Paramount fought the makers of the Sonic movie over the design citing that the first TMNT reboot movie made a lot of money in spite of the backlash over the designs. I would argue there's more precedent for the turtles designs though. It's a mash up of two pre-existing versions of the turtles and the franchise started with a darker more edgy tone so there was some belief you could go further with the designs. Sonic has always been a cartoon that was never supposed to look like a real hedgehog.
I’ve always liked their designs. If this was an animated film, they wouldn’t work for me, but since they were designed to look photorealistic, why not pile a bunch of gear on them? Sure, it’s not the same as the classic, but is anything in this film the same as the classic?
@@ImaHeatseekr I would hihgly disagree wiht you on the first film. However TMNT 2, although still done by Jim Henson did come off more "Cartoony" as was the point. But it took some of the grit, and what made the suits work in the first film. Let's not discuss the 3rd films suits. Thats just another story alltogether.
Will Arnett's sandwich scene is a giant Arrested Development reference, the sandwich is Parmesan and Mustard (referencing Gene Parmesan played by Martin Mull who played Colonel Mustard), and the song, Carless Whisper is sung by George Michael (Michael Cera's character in AD).
The fact that those designs for the turtles even made it into the preproduction phase much less got green lit as the final design still blows my mind. They’re one of the most hideous things ever put on film.
As a HUGE TMNT these movies made The Next Mutation, Turtle Tunes, We Wish You a Turtles Christmas, Coming out Their Shells, Getting Down in Your Town, and TMNT III look like masterpieces.
I enjoyed these two movies, especially the second one. as an 80s kid that watched the first two movies in theaters, it was great to finally see bebop and rock steady and kraang in a movie. I even liked the new turtle designs. but ultimately it all fell flat with it's story telling. i wanted to see the turtles actually fight bebop and rock steady.....and the new shredder should've been included for more than twenty minutes. but it was still a lot of fun. I was looking forward to a third movie with more mutants like Baxter and whoever else....but everyone just had to nitpick and complain until it all got cancelled
The problem with the learning ninjutsu from a book is that it takes away from an integral part of the characters origins, but so does the rest of the movie sooo
I think the turtles should come back with a new live action take, but this time test the waters. Make it a stand alone film, leave a slight hook for a possible sequel, and write a decent story with fun characters and a slightly serious tone to it. It doesn't have to be about saving the world, the scale could be slimmer yet more personal (like rescuing April or Splinter). Make sure to focus on the Turtles being a family, get some cool action and you got yourself a Turtles movie. The Michael Bay films seemed like they had an idea but didn't know how to follow through. Should they make a serious Turtles film or a silly one? Should it be focused on April or the Turtles? Will it have continuity or are we experimenting? Just seems like they didn't know what to do, hopefully with this next film they learned better.
Here's the thing I don't get: they made a show about giant alien robots turning into terrestrial vehicles... and thought four turtles being mutated into humanoid shaped ninjas and taught martial arts by a bipedal sewer rat was too far-fetched? 2014 was the start of the "being a geek is cool" era. I think general audiences could have easily accepted something akin to the 2003 series. Hell, just adapt that. Adapt the first season of the 2003 series.
I get your young but you failed to realized the 2003's Helped reboot them and what brought the Turtles back into the spotlight and it was Actually based on the Comic for the first 2 seasons and the Merch was off the charts.
I don't understand the whole design issue ppl seem to have, I think those ninja turtles were by far the best, most realistic and most badass looking ones to date
@@crazykiddd4992 the whole thing. Michael bay shouldn't of been attached to it and he got mad backlashed and killed the franchise. He's still attached and I wished someone that has real talent and writers would of got those rights. Nickelodeon is not the studios that should have it. Nothing about those new ones are cool and it did have funny moments and have a one part that was cool. But the movie wasn't good to me..
I gotta say I grew up with the 80s turtles, and the greatest tmnt movie ever in 1990. The 2012 reimagined tmnt was fantastic! Ciro Nieli did this show justice. You could tell he loved these characters and the story. There's tons of little Easter eggs in it too. Even the things he changed worked. I absolutely despise the Bay turtles.
Well Young Turtle fan, I'm an Old OG Turtle fan and I love this video! I appreciate your viewpoint and look at the turtles history and relation with paramount. Thank you for doing a great video!
The shredder's suit in both films look awesome, especially the Mechanized suit that would've been the perfect modern super shredder, too bad these designs will never get rendered properly to action figure form.
OG fan of the originial turtles here. 2014 movie was "ok" to me. If anything, I did find it cute that they tried to make a spiritual successor to "T-U-R-T-L-E Power" with "Shell Shocked" at the end of the movie. The sequel really did feel like a better movie, but it was clear even when I saw it in theaters that it was too little too late to let the series have a 3rd entry. Great video overall! Hope you continue to grow on this platform!
I am an old school 87 turtles fan and I absolutely loved the 2012 series as well as the first two 90s movies. The people behind the Nick show loved the turtles and it showed. They should be the ones along with Eastman to bring us a new movie. The "Michael Bay" films were unbelievably meh.
I also grew up with the 2012 series and I have great memories watching that show. Funny enough, it was my little brother who got me to watch it and now I’m a bigger fan of them then he is.
What did you think of the Michael Bay Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies?
Pretty 🆒️ actually
The only movie I watched was TMNT : OUT OF THE SHADOWS
Well... I did always find the elevator scene funny.
They’re not the worst and it’s kinda entertaining but not really that good
100% argeed Johnny's Leo sucks but pete's tho much better
The actors playing the turtles were the only thing I liked about the movies. 😂 I actually felt like they got their personalities down pretty well. And like you said, they had great chemistry, and they are the best part of the movie. If we would’ve seen MORE of the turtles through out the movie, and focused more on their relationships with each other instead of focusing too much on April, we could’ve grown more attached to them and gotten past the poor design choices. Also, it would’ve been cool to see them use more martial arts and ninja techniques, but they’re massive size made the scenes where they actually fight look weird. I don’t mind that they have some muscle, they’ve always had some muscle, but it’s their overall size that puts me off. There were a lot of missed opportunities in these movies that could’ve saved them from being as bad as they are.
For what they are, I actually don’t hate the movies, I found them fun and entertaining. But they’re still bad. And they just had potential to be so much better. 🤷♀️
I absolutely agree. They were a lot of fun (minus the Fart joke)
Too bad at least 2 out 4 of maybe all 4 of them hated the roles, Ralph did for sure I don't blame him.
@@FormalFilmsProductions agreed
I thought both movies were a fucking a mess, and I could never get over the turtles being turned into such ugly monstrosities. Only good reason to watch these movies is Megan Fox, not because she did a good job as April (she didn't) but because she looks damn sexy in these films
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 i agree
Making Splinter a normal rat who taught himself and the turles martial arts is...certainly a choice. There is a reason other adaptation make it so Splinter used to be human.
Also, how does this make Splinter the turtles' dad? They mutated at the same time, he might as well be their brother.
Cause he was an adult when he mutated, they were hatchlings.
@PurpleOwlAnimation Me too.
@@GODCONVOYPRIME Yeah having him being an actual rat that coincidentally found a ninjutsu book in the sewers is very silly and dumb.
I mean he raised them. If somebody raises you your entire childhood you might consider them a parental figure
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoindeed I prefer the fact that splinter was a human who fought the shredder, so that years later, his sons will finish what he started
The 2012 version of TMNT is definitely one of the best things Nickelodeon has put out
yess
It was one of the few good cartoons that Nick had in the 2010s
@Shin Shaman no
Yeah, 2012's awesome. And so is Rise.
@@CartoonPostYT I love 40% of Rise not so much the rest
I honestly liked that they gave to the turtles costumes that matched their personality
I feel you're kinda underselling the success of the '03 show. It was a pretty big ratings success in it's first few seasons and it was the best selling toy and general kids merchandise for two years in row. It tapered off really quickly and the cgi movie came out too late to capitalize on it but for a while it was pretty big among kids.
It way bigger hit than 2012 show. It was the #1 kids show in the world for 2+ years.
@Shin Shaman Right. It was more faithful to the comics, more mature, gritty, and the ratings for 5 seasons dwarf 2012 l, it's close at all.
03 seems like the forgotten middle child now but in the UK when it came out it was massive initially. There was a second Turtlemania like in the late 80s.
@@darkwoods1954 It was the #1 "kids" show in the world for 2+ years, 2012 wasn't even close. The numbers for 2003 increased for 3 straight seasons.
@@ejr87r 4* seasons season 5 wasnt aired
When comparing to the original movie trilogy, my biggest disappointment was lack of martial arts. They were basically ninjas without ninjitsu
They were just being tossed around and doing a bunch of jumpy-jumpy CGI crap. Very disappointing.
So basically like what happened with naruto
@@nocaptostop sooooo being a freaking ninja?
@@tokazukigaming Minus any sort of visual coherence and fight choreography. Kung-Fu Panda did a better job lol
@@nocaptostop the fighting and visual were 10x better in this movie then the old school ninja turtles
These films are a guilty pleasure of mine. I recently re-watched them with my sister and had fun both of us also grew up with the 2012 series
And the first one copied the amazing spider man
Yea, they weren’t great but I had dumb fun with them
My 11 year old ass was like "OOOO COOL SHREDDER KNIVES" 😳
The Michael Bay Ninja Turtles failed because the first film became a prime example of "Clueless Hollywood changing things that didn't need to be changed", and the sequel also suffered as a result. And what's remarkable is that Paramount probably wouldn't have redesigned Sonic The Hedgehog if not only because of the fan backlash to the original Sonic design, but how the similar fan backlash to the Bay Ninja Turtles' designs eventually doomed that franchise.
“It’s Megan Fox! You’re fumbling the bag, my brother!” sent me. Also, “The white people go off to fight Bebop and Rocksteady” is incredible.
It's very surreal hearing you talk about being nostalgic for the TMNT craze of the early 2010's. Like...I remember the original craze. And the 2003 resurgence. And the 2012 reboot. Hearing about it like it's your childhood makes me realize just how long ago 2012 was
I don't know why but the image looks like rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles the shredder it's a really good series i would recommend 18:20 if you already have seen the show good for you and also there's a season 2 you didn't know that
If only Imagi hadn't gone bankrupt and could've made the intended sequels to TMNT 2007. Would've liked to have seen their planned Gatchaman movie, too.
As someone who grew up with a father showing me old cartoons, gatchaman and its former US dubs battle of the planets and g-force are my childhood. When i heard the TMNT studio wanted to make a movie i was hyped and heartbroken when the studio closed. I so wish i could see a world where it released
2007 is my guilty pleasure movie. Yes, it has flaws and the story is far from perfect but come ON. Also I heard of what their plans were for the sequels and we really could've had it all
and their Zelda film that Nintendo shot down
@@spacejasontodd yes
Just found this page. I grew up with the 90s version of TMNT. This was fun and a good listen. You sir, gained a new subscriber.
Awesome, thank you!
To me it's pretty clear they didn't have a full plan or vision for this franchise (or at least it feels like it) and it felt like some other Hollywood reboots- embarrassed of the source material so they tried too hard to "fix" it while also removing almost all the charm in the process. From the story and backstory changes of the first movie, to the designs of the Turtles, to the way the second tried to course correct and appeal to 80s cartoon nostalgia. Just feels like they didn't know what to do with the characters in the movies at times.
I think that's part of the reason the second failed so spectacularly.
I don't like the first but it was commercially successful and had stiffer competition going up against Guardians of the Galaxy and it had suprising legs. Clearly some people liked it...I know they did because I got into heated debates on message boards at the time. Most admitted it wasn't that good (blaming it on the troubled production) but had faith they were building up to something in sequels like IDW reincarnation and more edgy ninja battles. I imagine it was pretty shocking when the trailers for the sequel hit and it was clear they had no plan and had ditched all the stuff they thought was going to be expanded on.
Perfectly summaries the Sequel Trilogy perfectly too.
@@klankorbus7874 While I agree that many people do seem to like the first movie (recently someone in the UK did life size statues of the designs from the reboots and despite them being creepy as hell looking to me based on the photos, most people could still identify them as the Turtles and got a kick out of them) I honestly think that the first movie did so well due to the brand name and maybe even fans just not caring about the numerous changes or wanting to give it a fair shot anyways (the latter was my reasoning to go watch it). The sequel could have also done well if it had a better release date since it was aiming for more mass appeal to fans of the original cartoon but I think what mainly killed it was them trying so hard to course correct and put in characters for the sake of fanservice that it gets in the way of telling a good story.
@@GrandMasterBruh No, Ninja Turtles turned out worse.
Wow, You are just aslave to those feelings..?huh ?!?.
I was 14 when this movie released so I was its target audience and I got to say it was awesome when I first came out I absolutely loved this movie and even though I know it has problems I can't help but look back on it with a fond type of nostalgia.
P.s even though I love this movie the first '90s movie still is my all-time favorite turtles movie / adaptation of the characters.
Dude, I was born in 2003, but I still somehow grew up with both the 03 and 80s series. But like you I also grew up mainly with the 2012 version. I had so many toys and still do.
I was born in 2004, but I do remember watching some episodes of the 80s tmnt but I had no idea there was an 03 version until later. But I did mostly grew up on the 2012 version, well just the 1st season. My old cable provider (Suddenlink) cut-off Viacom channels right before the 2nd season was going to air. And it sucks because it looks like tmnt 2012 definitely got a lot more interesting and intense since the 1st season, and I have no idea where I can watch the full series at.
Yoo same, For me I’m guessing it’s cus older siblings introduced me to these episodes
I was born in 2003 too, 03 series is my favourite animated of all time just beating Avatar the last airbender
@@salt5537 They gave you a big favor😂
@@salt5537 that helps & it being on when you wake at 4 am or whatever. around that time it did reruns of old tv show like Spider-Man 1994, a pup named Scobey doo 1988. then many more. I believe still do reruns of old shows.
My issue was not just the design. But the super strength and lack of "ninja" in the saga.
I'll give them credit, they really tried to course correct for the sequel. Which frankly I really enjoyed.
I really enjoyed it too. But I'm only complaining about this.
*Why did they give them lips?*
@@ItzLevi2009 Finally. Someone asking the real questions.
@@ItzLevi2009 I didn’t even notice that when I first saw it
I think it’s funny how they made April have a connection with the turtles early on and not shredder when usually shedder was the one that had some sort of emotional connection with the turtles early on and that was a huge problem with this movie is that it felt so lifeless without there being a hamato yoshi or yoshis pet and oroku saki connection
ugh, i still don't understand why their so freaking huge! aren't they supposed to be teenagers? Couldn't they have been designed to be at or a little shorter than April? Not to mention the overdesigning with all the extra bits on their person. Gonna be making a lot of clanging noises while their trying to ninja around. They should have been called "Adult Mutant Behemoth Turtles".
Either that or The Four Shreks.
Teenagers can be huge too 😅
@@BlurroBlue true, teens can be huge. I'm not saying that the turtles can't be ripped, I'm just saying the turtles being 9 feet tall just feels unnecessary. Maybe Bay should just do the Cyber Samurai Mutant Ninja Turtles or Street Sharks if he wants them to be that big.
He should have just done a Street Sharks film. The Turtles were turned into Teenage Gamma Ninja Hulk Brothers. Their martial arts training was completely unnecessary when they could just run into a vehicle vehicle with their shell and obliterate the vehicle.
At that size they could not possibly be ninjas. They don't need stealth and can't be stealthy anyway. They don't need weapons when they can fit a man's head in their hands and crush it if they wanted to.
It was utterly ridiculous.
@@Inspectornills That's true
The idea of April naming the Turtles worked better in the IDW comics. She was a college student interning at TCRI and would usually be in the lab that the Turtles were in. It's a great series but I'm behind on it because I stopped when the original writer Tom Waltz left. It probably is my favorite version of the origin in that they tie in Shredder, Baxter Stockman and Krang into it very naturally.
There's actually a Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie coming this Year on Netflix.
I thought rise was done since it performed poorly and wasn’t revived as well as they wanted
@@local_legend4521 They're doing a movie with the turtles fighting krang to wrap the series up. Should come out this year sometime
@@local_legend4521 It performed poorly because Nick did a shit job advertising it and gave it bad time slots on the channel. It wasn't the show's fault.
Nick does this with pretty much every new cartoon nowadays.
@@local_legend4521 Rise is still has a fan base to it and people love it. It was Nick who destroyed them.
Pefer the 2012 series over rise. But i dont think rise was bad
What went wrong with Bay's TMNT? Well, for starters they shouldn't have turned the turtles into such nightmare fuel monstrosities to begin with
Or April O'Neil played by Alexis Texas
To me, that was the best part. I loved the design.
@@editingman95 at this point why isn't she a porn star yet
@@jamesfowler5100 🙄🙄🙄
😂😂 TRUE
I grew up with both the 2003 and 2012 version and let me tell you: 13 year old me assumed the 2014 movie would be connected to the 2012 show...
...oh I was so wrong when i saw the teaser.
Edit: I misremembered. I was actually 14 and the teaser came out in early spring of 2014
similar thing happen to me when i went to see out of the shadows in theaters i went into it thinking it was based off the 2012 serires.
waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
@@jdawson7877 waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
Similar situation here. I was 12 and got the movie on DVD the year it dropped. Still loved it, tho
Hot take: i didnt think the designs for the turtles were that bad. I feel like there could have been some minor tweaks that would have made them better though.
Also i kind of would like to see what the original movie would have looked like. Maybe as its own thing and not a turtles movie. Lol. It sounded wild.
Agreed, I actually liked the turtle designs for these films - I liked how gritty and mature the designs were, as opposed to the usual childish cartoon designs 🤷🏻♀️
As a new fan of TMNT I actually heavily enjoy their designs a lot
Honestly their nostrils are the only thing I didn't like. The rest of the designs are good.
I mean let’s be fair. What exactly would you make a live action mutant turtle look like? I think they did as best as they could trying to adapt the animated versions in a realistic way.
Outside of the turtle look, the turtles themselves were awesome. Their chemistry was well done. The story was weak, and you can tell the movie was patched together to fix major pre release backlash. The shredder out of suit scenes feel and look like reshoots.
I enjoyed the sequel a lot more. The sequel really felt like an episode of the old 90s cartoon.
A few sources claim about 1/3rd of the movie was reshot, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if it is a case of patchworking it together, as you’ve suggested.
I LOVED these movies lol. I actually liked the designs because I felt like they did a good job representing the personalities of the characters. It also has my favorite characterization of Mikey :p
I can't wait to see what the new live action movie is going to be like!
Agreed, I actually liked the turtle designs for these films as well and same i thought they went well with their personalities too. I liked the gritty mature dark comic book look of these designs
For the 3rd movie, I feel like it would follow the Triceratons storyarc. Like, The Triceratons and General Blanque would have been villains, as well as Krang returning. And Fugitoid and the Utrom being in it as allies to the Turtles. Just saying.
They made clear they had *zero* interest in characters and concepts that were no prominent in the 80s animated series. So there was no chance Triceratons, Utroms or the Fugitoid showing up outside of an easter egg. Karai only made it into these movies for a bit more gender diversity and look how they treated that character.
As someone who was born in '03, I didn't grow up in TMNTs prime, but god it's still my favorite series ever. I can still remember going to see the '07 film for my 4th birthday. Thank you for making this video, it meant a lot.
Tmnt is my favorite franchise and I remember Michael bay tmnt on Pringle cans, Karai in this movie was the voice of tang shen and alopex from the 2012 version, there’s gonna be another movie rise of the tmnt the movie
waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
@Shin Shaman I WIL KILL THE TURLTES AND CONQUER THE WORLD! YOU MUST SEE MY IDEOS TO SEE HOW RUTALLY I KILL MY NEEMIES!
@Shin Shaman 2012>2003
I like the designs. Also, how much do you expect from a mutant turtle? They could look a lot more scary. I've seen fan art and that's nightmare fuel
Exactly, they are legit mutants, they are supposed to look weird. Also I do love the designs
exactly 💯
I think the designs are fine, but they are way too big. I think they were very well cast and once you see them interacting with one another, you can still believe that they are the turtles.
@@davidhilliard8937u want them to be small like humans? Lmao
@@9etherNeo They're actually really short in the Mirage comics. I prefer them either short or human sized, yes. But it's a different interpretation and that's fine. At least these turtles actually feel true to their personalities.
4:34 I love that you used one of Andre's aka Black Nerd Comedy's TMNT videos.
Truly one of the biggest TMNT fans I know!
But also one of my favorite RUclipsrs who inspired my channel.
22:25 absolutely agree with this. That Raphael scene made me cry when I first watched it, but upon re-watching it, I felt like it would be a lot more hard hitting if it came from a better version of Raphael that I was interested in
2012 show is amazing and is exactly what the TMNT Should be IMO, 2007 film was great to
The movie wasn't that bad. My issue was their size forcing Shredder to have some battle suit in order to have a chance against them. I liked how he never needed one before proving how skilled he was making him a worthy opponent cause it always took all 4 turtles to beat him. Other than that the chemistry between the turtles were spot on.
i also grew up with the 2012 series that was my introduction to tmnt and its my favorite incarnation of the turtles .
The whole April naming the turtles bothered me so much it kinda took me outta the movie, it didn't make any sense to me
I mean literally the only circumstance where a child names a turtle any of those names is where TMNT exist
I grew up watching TMNT, but I did enjoy these movies, they were fun to make fun of like "hahaha that's not accurate at all"
I grew up with the '03 series, I vividly remember when the news of this duology fell, specifically the reactions to the designs, Michael Bay and Megan Fox, my friends and I despised the new noses. I was already preparing myself for a disappointment from that moment on but this hit even harder 😭
I have so many fond memories of TMNT 2K3. The old movies were fun along with the CGI movie, but the reboot movies are mediocre at best.
It never occurred to me until you pointed out how we don’t really get to see how the turtles interact with each other and have actual character development, also considering Micheal Bay helped with the movies it makes sense that they have so much to them considering the close detail in Transformers and at least they seemed to realize that they was too detailed. ‘Casey’ is basically like ‘April’ from the first film wanting more from their job and trying to dive into something they don’t understand. Also I’m confused as to why the turtles allowed ‘Casey’ to see them if they we’re trying to stay away from human eyes, the only thing that connects them is Bebop and Rocksteady but they was mentioned until ’April’ talks about their mutation. I also agreed that the turtles vs Bebop and Rocksteady was really cool and it definitely would be interesting to see what they would’ve looked as humans but at the same time it wouldn’t be TMNT if they were human lol. I too was born in 2002 and grew up with the 2012 version and I gotta say the 2012 show was so good actually being able to see their personalities and how they act when April wasn’t around and it really gets you emotionally attached (Splinter 🥺) there is the 2018 show as well but I haven’t seen enough of it to really know how good or bad it is.
To me the movies weren’t entirely bad even tho it’s directed by Michael bay overall I feel like In the second film he did a much better job especially bringing characters like bee bop and rocksteady as well as kraang
It's a common misconception because everyone deems them the Bayturtles, but he didn't direct them, only produced them. The directors, or at least the director of the first movie, just really made it stylistically feel like the live action Transformers movies Bay directed and due to the designs of the characters and the presence of Megan Fox it's easy to assume Bay directed them.
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Even if he didn't direct the movie, it feels like it has his fingerprints all over the script. So many explosions, unnecessary hot shots of Megan Fox, slow-mo shots for the trailer, lense flairs and disgusting CGI monsters.
@@brandonspain12345 Believe me I know, and that was probably intentional.
I must be in the minority but I loved the M. Bay turtles. I thought they were fun entertaining movies.
@@ignacio633 same I actually loved them
Vern was in the 1987 cartoon and I’m sure they wanted familiarity for characters names but that’s all they had. I agree 100% with your video
TMNT was one of my Favourite Shows on Nickelodeon and man, was it awesome
"WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SHOW WHOOPI THAT?!" best line ever
One of my favorite Franchise is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and to this Day I love it like a Passion,however this Doalogy almost killed the Franchise,it has som moments but it doesn't have the Heart and Soul of the Turtles,it doesn't understand the Lore,they look weird as Hell,and Michael Bay wasn't a good idea to direct or be incharged of making TMNT Movies,I hope and pray that the TMNT Franchises getting better in the Future.
Nice pfp
@@reaper.-._.-._.-._.-. Thanks.
Michael bay wasn’t the director
@@games_on_phone89 True,however he was the Producer.
IT wouldn't kill the franchise, anymore then Batman and Robin did Batman, or even TMNT 3 did. It might put it on hiatus, but it wouldn't ened. New generations would form to watch new versions.
I'm 40 and I grew up with the comics and the OG animated series but I loved the 2012 TMNT show on Nickelodeon. You're not alone.
2003 was my intro to the series and I like the 2012 show. These movies are... fine. I don't hate them. Don't hate the designs. Don't hate anything about the movies. I'm just indifferent which is probably worse. Cause at least if I hated it there would be some passion. Like the Michael Bay Transformers films have a passion behind it's hate but these films... nothing and that makes them less memorable.
The only reason the first made so much money is because nostalgia. Out of the shadows had some good things the guy they recast for Leo was really good I always thought Johnny Knoxville was a miss casting. Bee bop and rock steady were cringe
7:29
Honestly that poster wouldn't look half Bad if the Turtles weren't Hulking Monstrosities. As a matter of fact, I think this poster was referenced in the TMNT/Power Rangers crossover in the comics. Speaking of, could you talk about the development of the Power Rangers 2017 movie?
It doesn’t look bad, the problem is the image of the exploding building released on 9/11
I just couldn't get over the design of the turtles. I'm sure a lot of people (kids) got lot of enjoyment out of these movies, but I was deffo not in the target audience for it, being a 30 something.
The second movie was better for me, it had more character and fun cause we had more time with the turtles
Agree
The thing about Shredder being portrayed by a different actor is probably because at the end of the first movie there's a little detail that after he falls to the ground we see his hand clenching near the mutegen canister before he collapses.
It's weird nobody ever points that out and just get super confused as to why he looks different when it was literally been hinted at.
I think your overthinking that man, the ooze scene was just to show that he was still alive and had access to more ooze, that was in no way a hint to the actor being changed
@@kylematchinis7751 I'm saying the ooze made him young again it's not that complicated.
How? Why? Don't care, and neither would the people making the movie.
@@GenericProtagonist118 the ooze doesn’t make people younger, it mutates them. Why wasn’t he mutated then?
@@bluecayser1498 Proper consistency isn't really a strongsuit movies like this have. Especially in Michael Bay films you can just make sh*t up and hope a lore writer can fill in the gaps in tie-in media to get people like us to shut up about it. Ooze can do whatever the writer wants it to do and not all writers are meticulous.
@@GenericProtagonist118 He was in a heavy mecha suit. There's no way that ooze had any effect.
The biggest problem with Splinter finding the book and teaching them Ninjustu is because that makes him a Japanese wannabe.
I love these Reboot Movies of Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and The Ninja Turtles are the best cartoon heroes in the half-shell so I hope The Ninja Turtles will hopefully be much better in the future!❤🐢🌟🍕👍🗡
Grow up
What do you love in them? April having no emotions? The TurtlesS, designs who are weird and a bit ugly? Casey jones not being in the movie? The terrible jokes Mickeal Angelo says? I'm a bit curious :)
@@ladypool1404 This guys comments make no logic, only way to escape it is to ignore it
@@marijamarcelic3149Thank's for the advice! I don't think his comment makes no sense though. It's ok if he likes the movies and have a different oppinion than us :)
waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
I feel like I’m the only one who actually likes the character designs. It fits the whole sewers vibe nicely. Their outfits are basically just trash they found laying around the sewers/dark places within the city. I would’ve liked to see them maybe get better costumes as the movies went on, but sadly we only got two.
TMNT 2012 is is my favorite Version the Franchise.
I'm SOOO VERY GLAD. I Found
Your Channel, As You're One
Of The FEW Who TOTALLY Gets
The Connection Between BOTH
Bay & Paramount & That Bay
DIDN'T Direct A MAJORITY Of
The Stuff He Gets Blamed For!
Same Thing with Story Elements,
Bay WASN'T The Writer Of ANY
#Transformers Film, But He DID
Dirext OVER HALF Of Them!
Am I the only one who was actually kind of interested in seeing what the alien version would entail? Seriously, I would actually like to see the franchise have a change of direction.
I agree. Sounded interesting.
These movies were definitely an interesting take on the characters. I was born in January 2000 so although I was very little I did watch the 2003 show which is the one I’m most fond of, but I did like the 2012 as well.
I grew up with the 80's series, and I actually like the '14 and '16 films. But I do see why they're not everyone's cup of tea.
For instance, take the "Any last words?" scene in '14. Up to this point, Raphael has been the emotional fulcrum of the film. So, with the team hanging on to a collapsing tower, falling to their presumed doom, Mikey admits he didn't understand the ending of "Lost" (really, who did?), Don admits to being the one who messed with the Pop Tarts...and then Raph goes on a stemwinder of soliloquy, ending with an "I love you guys so much!"...and then...
*record scratch* "Raph? We made it. Are you crying?"
What? Just, WHAT?
When you set up a catharsis, and instead you go for comic relief, you've just completely undercut the payoff. You've taken the emotional climax of the film, and made a shaggy dog joke out of it.
That's one thing I can name, that they got wrong in '14. Another, was keeping the leads offscreen at the beginning, for as long as they did. That CAN work, depending on the story you're trying to tell. But you need the right material to pull it off, and this...wasn't it.
It wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. But it also wasn't nearly as good as it should have been.
1998 baby here. Grew up on the 2003. Followed the 2012 one as a teenager.
Other than the issues with the original movie I think the big issues came with Out of the Shadows I think the issue with out of the shadows was that the Kraang, and Stocmann stories should have been 2 separate movies, it would have been less muddled, and confused
I like to call the 2012 one " April the Movie"
Surprised Paramount didn’t chance these turtle designs like they did with Sonic
These movies were probably the catalyst to fans being able to successfully bully a studio into making a better product.
waht went worong is that i the LEADER OF FOOT NINJAS DIDNT FIGHT THE TURTLES IN THE SECOND MOVIE THAT WHY IT FAILED. SEE MY VIDEOS TO SEE HOW BRUTALLY I KILL MY ENEMIES!
Allegedly Paramount fought the makers of the Sonic movie over the design citing that the first TMNT reboot movie made a lot of money in spite of the backlash over the designs.
I would argue there's more precedent for the turtles designs though. It's a mash up of two pre-existing versions of the turtles and the franchise started with a darker more edgy tone so there was some belief you could go further with the designs. Sonic has always been a cartoon that was never supposed to look like a real hedgehog.
I’ve always liked their designs. If this was an animated film, they wouldn’t work for me, but since they were designed to look photorealistic, why not pile a bunch of gear on them? Sure, it’s not the same as the classic, but is anything in this film the same as the classic?
I think they look better than the old goofy looking movie ones,unpopular opinion.
@@ImaHeatseekr I would hihgly disagree wiht you on the first film. However TMNT 2, although still done by Jim Henson did come off more "Cartoony" as was the point. But it took some of the grit, and what made the suits work in the first film.
Let's not discuss the 3rd films suits. Thats just another story alltogether.
When I heard Michael Bay said that the new ninja turtles is gonna be edgy the I immediately thought about shadow the hedgehog 😅😅🤣🤣😂
Will Arnett's sandwich scene is a giant Arrested Development reference, the sandwich is Parmesan and Mustard (referencing Gene Parmesan played by Martin Mull who played Colonel Mustard), and the song, Carless Whisper is sung by George Michael (Michael Cera's character in AD).
Honestly, everything in these movies could’ve been fixed by simply redesigning the Turtles like they did Sonic
That's not as simple as you make it sound.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog Yup, the cgi studio who redesigned Sonic went out of business.
whats wrong with the design?
The fact that those designs for the turtles even made it into the preproduction phase much less got green lit as the final design still blows my mind. They’re one of the most hideous things ever put on film.
i remember being disgusted at the turtles's unmasked faces
As a HUGE TMNT these movies made The Next Mutation, Turtle Tunes, We Wish You a Turtles Christmas, Coming out Their Shells, Getting Down in Your Town, and TMNT III look like masterpieces.
TRUTH. This is not the LOW POINT
I think I actually once read that script...the one with the turtles as aliens🤦♂️😭...how Michael Bay gets any work is beyond me
Where it went wrong:
“Michael Bay, you’re hired”
I enjoyed these two movies, especially the second one. as an 80s kid that watched the first two movies in theaters, it was great to finally see bebop and rock steady and kraang in a movie. I even liked the new turtle designs. but ultimately it all fell flat with it's story telling. i wanted to see the turtles actually fight bebop and rock steady.....and the new shredder should've been included for more than twenty minutes. but it was still a lot of fun. I was looking forward to a third movie with more mutants like Baxter and whoever else....but everyone just had to nitpick and complain until it all got cancelled
I remember being so hyped for this movie and remembering all of this. Awsome vidoe, thanks
I agree with you a lot I grew up the 2012 turtles it felt really cool and fun
No way I just found this on my recommended 9 years after I came out to the exact date
Don’t worry, dude. I also grew up with the 2012 tmnt series.
The problem with the learning ninjutsu from a book is that it takes away from an integral part of the characters origins, but so does the rest of the movie sooo
When he busted out the book I burst out laughing in the theater
Rises Of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is actually going to get a Netflix movie this year.
I think the turtles should come back with a new live action take, but this time test the waters. Make it a stand alone film, leave a slight hook for a possible sequel, and write a decent story with fun characters and a slightly serious tone to it. It doesn't have to be about saving the world, the scale could be slimmer yet more personal (like rescuing April or Splinter). Make sure to focus on the Turtles being a family, get some cool action and you got yourself a Turtles movie.
The Michael Bay films seemed like they had an idea but didn't know how to follow through. Should they make a serious Turtles film or a silly one? Should it be focused on April or the Turtles? Will it have continuity or are we experimenting? Just seems like they didn't know what to do, hopefully with this next film they learned better.
Here's the thing I don't get: they made a show about giant alien robots turning into terrestrial vehicles... and thought four turtles being mutated into humanoid shaped ninjas and taught martial arts by a bipedal sewer rat was too far-fetched? 2014 was the start of the "being a geek is cool" era. I think general audiences could have easily accepted something akin to the 2003 series.
Hell, just adapt that. Adapt the first season of the 2003 series.
The sandwich that Will Arnett’s character makes is a reference to “Arrested Development”
Bro I grew up with the 2012 ninja turtles And I thought some Michael Bay movies was so cool when I was 6
I get your young but you failed to realized the 2003's Helped reboot them and what brought the Turtles back into the spotlight and it was Actually based on the Comic for the first 2 seasons and the Merch was off the charts.
I really wanted to see how they looked as humans, during the second film😫
glad to see that the turtles will always play a part in every generations nostalgia.
What went wrong with this movie you ask? The design, Megan Fox, and the origin change of the turtles smh
The cln shrader idea and black ops foot soldiers sounds kind of cool though
Holy crap, TMNT 2 is the only movie I've ever seen and don't remember...
I don't understand the whole design issue ppl seem to have, I think those ninja turtles were by far the best, most realistic and most badass looking ones to date
me too... they complain cause of ralph muscles? he always was kind of.. like donnie with glasses
Lmao 🤣 uuh no!!!
@@midwestkrazy83turner50 what didnt you like about em?
@@crazykiddd4992 the whole thing. Michael bay shouldn't of been attached to it and he got mad backlashed and killed the franchise. He's still attached and I wished someone that has real talent and writers would of got those rights. Nickelodeon is not the studios that should have it. Nothing about those new ones are cool and it did have funny moments and have a one part that was cool. But the movie wasn't good to me..
I gotta say I grew up with the 80s turtles, and the greatest tmnt movie ever in 1990. The 2012 reimagined tmnt was fantastic! Ciro Nieli did this show justice. You could tell he loved these characters and the story. There's tons of little Easter eggs in it too. Even the things he changed worked. I absolutely despise the Bay turtles.
Well Young Turtle fan, I'm an Old OG Turtle fan and I love this video! I appreciate your viewpoint and look at the turtles history and relation with paramount. Thank you for doing a great video!
The shredder's suit in both films look awesome, especially the Mechanized suit that would've been the perfect modern super shredder, too bad these designs will never get rendered properly to action figure form.
OG fan of the originial turtles here. 2014 movie was "ok" to me. If anything, I did find it cute that they tried to make a spiritual successor to "T-U-R-T-L-E Power" with "Shell Shocked" at the end of the movie. The sequel really did feel like a better movie, but it was clear even when I saw it in theaters that it was too little too late to let the series have a 3rd entry.
Great video overall! Hope you continue to grow on this platform!
Actually, having Casey Jones be the POV character for a TMNT movie sounds pretty cool.
This radiants the same energy of watching the american Godzilla movies, where you only see him like 5 minutes out of the whole frickin movie
I am an old school 87 turtles fan and I absolutely loved the 2012 series as well as the first two 90s movies. The people behind the Nick show loved the turtles and it showed. They should be the ones along with Eastman to bring us a new movie. The "Michael Bay" films were unbelievably meh.
I also grew up with the 2012 series and I have great memories watching that show. Funny enough, it was my little brother who got me to watch it and now I’m a bigger fan of them then he is.