Midwest Industries has a front sight rail that clamshells on and is rock solid. running it for years, gets the light a little farther forward and no shift in zero. 33$ on some sites google the model number MCTAR-01G2
The Magpul handguards are a really solid choice as well for those looking to replace the rounded handguards but not go nuts on it. I bought a set for my 20' and they're really sturdy
Excellent presentation and way to get some torches ready for those carbines. I sure would like to get an upper with those type of hamdguards and front sight tower. Sadly, I swayed from the Old Ways.
I had a bayonet mount flashlight mount that worked pretty good and it was cheap. Centered the light under the barrel which kept it out of my field of vision. Great video as always.
I opted for the traditional handguard as well. Heat was the driving factor. My choice for mounting accessories was a pic rail handguard length ( mounted at the bottom) as i wanted to be able to mount a light, same setup you showed just left side as I'm a lefty, and a bipod or vertical handle. I used Amazon products with stainless hardware from my local ACE. A little blue loctide and voila, everything works very well. I can reach the light switch, and yes on / off only is my preference too (blinking and flashing blablabla just makes me dizzy lol), when the handle is installed. Good video, thanks for sharing. If i may, can you consider publishing a presentation about shooting techniques free standing and how to accomplish best results? Thank you.👍
Yep.....RIP......Most of their products were good quality.....I've had 2 of IWC mounts snap right off my rail at the same place....Tried contacting them and found out about the owner passing......I found a company in PA. Shaffer Machining. They make some of the best light mounts, red dot mounts, etc. on the market in my opinion.....Arisaka is another great company for all sorts of mounting options.....
@@PsychedelicWinter110 They were an excellent design....yes......I'll have to disagree on quality of the aluminum they used......Maybe I just got a bad couple of thorn tail light mounts for my AK.....I had 2 of them snap at the threads in the same spot.....They were able to replace the first and when the 2nd snapped that's when I found out about the owner passing......I do want to say they sent me a new thorn tail for free.....When 2 break on me I'll stop using that product until QC does it's job......RIP to the owner I'm sure he would have done the QC check..!!!!!!!
I found that I like the "clamp onto the frontsight" rails for my light+slim plastic handguard combo, and I just velcro the pressure switch onto the handguard
My first light was a 500 lumen harbor freight light for $7 that i zip-tied to cutout in the cheese grater handguard. I have better now but i still have it and it can compete with $100 setups.
I purchased an Elzetta FSB light mount probably close to 15 years ago. It mounts in minutes and is extremely durable. I’ve ran it on my bushmaster xm15 A2 carbine.
I bought my Stag model 1L as I am a southpaw many years ago. I don't have as many rounds through it like you do, but I'm glad that they do honor their guarantee about replacement parts.
They come with a bag of hardware. Different screws and back plates. You should be able to make it work on any of those Handguards. If you can find one with one of their dealers. Their site has been close to retail orders for over a year now.
What is your opinion (if you have one) on the pic rail on the FSP like the one Midwest Industries offers? I have one and have not noticed an issue with POI.
I have done exactly like you show for the second option.. Most of my rifles have the standard round handguard and I actually prefer the smaller diameter but I put a short piece of magpul rail at the 10 o-clock position and use a 1-in scope ring to clamp a flashlight onto that rail which puts it right in front of my left thumb. Works great and was inexpensive.
When Reid put out his last light video, I bought several Surefire G2X lights, and they were inexpensive and awesome. I also bought a couple Magpul rail mounts, and they are one of the best inexpensive mounting options available.
After dealing with a number of tape switches that stopped working, I switched to the more simplistic light setup like you’re running. I bought a couple of those Magpuls when they first came out and used them on issue carbines with quad rails. They worked great. Still using one minus the rings on a personal with a free float quad to mount a Scout Light 600L that I wouldn’t have otherwise bought except that the price was too right. Activating the Scout with the butt cap switch. The Magpul mount pits the light at the right height and sufficiently far enough foreword to establish a good support hand position. I’d never realized the hand guards were double heat shielded. After going with free float quads, I was a bit irritated to find that the hand guard get pretty hot closer to the gas block making gloves a necessity for anything more than a few rounds. Having watched your previous video, I now wonder how much of a difference the free float really makes when trying to make small, tight groups at 100 from a supported position.
Thank you Reid. I still remember your lecture on the different phases of government, and we are 100% at bondage. Thank you for doing the right thing no matter what!
Great video Valor Ridge! 💯 Went up the mountains here in PWN Washington to train. Valor Ridge is my go to for training. Ive been trying the full size target training from Reid's last videos
I already have the IWC mount on a DSA AR that I installed years ago. I love it. I had a second one on backorder for the past six months and cancelled that in favor of Reid's 1913 rail plus MagPul mount solution. Important: if you go this route, make sure you buy 15mm Long M5 T-nuts and black 1/2" flathead 10/32 machine screws as well! The T-nuts that come with the rail segments are way too small to cross the entire vent hole and engage the handguard. If you are using the quick release mount that comes with the Surefire Scout, the MagPul rings and ring base should be removed. If you decide to use the MagPul rings, the Surefire quick release mount must be removed. Either choice is valid to your personal needs and preference.
I have a Surefire I found in the mud in a bar ditch mounted in a front sight mount made by Elzetta. It covers the bayonet lug, but I don’t own a bayonet.
I always switch out my round hand guards that use an A-pillar gasblock with a Midwest Industries mlok or an extended magpul mlok handguard.... I've pretty much switched over to low profile gas blocks anyway for longer mlok handguards to eliminate as much barrel shadow possible, especially when shooting suppressed. LWRC currently make my favorite DI & piston operated rifles.
Love the old round handguards and have mounted pic rails on them for a light or a stubby forward grip. You forgot to mention putting the heat shields back on after mounting the pic rail.
It's so funny you came out with this video today, I was shooting my rifle with the full length free floating handgaurd then I shot my wife's with the traditional Magpul type 2 pc handgaurd and I was amazed at the weight difference
On a non-free-floated barrel, the shooter has more effect on barrel harmonics than anything else. There are picatinny rail-mounts for the front-sight-post that work well. If you want to shoot good groups with your rifle, brace off the front of the magazine-well without touching the fore-end on anything at all. What you brace against has a lot to do with it too, the more rigid the better; i.e. something immoveable like concrete or steel imbedded in the ground.
If you're really in a bind for a light on your round hand guards and can't find a mount in stock, you can go the very early GWOT/OIF route and 100mph tape a dual D-cell MagLite to the bottom of your hand guards😉
I made the same mistake with the Magpul light mount. Ended up just bolting the ring mount to the round handguards of my A1. Fewer parts and a few ounces lighter, a win win mistake...
I rock an old bushmaster m4a1 old a1 carry handle with small handgaurds I would trust it any time I use one of the front sight rails so nothing on the handgaurd it has never let me down the rifle
Thanks Reid. Love new stuff. Love old stuff. Know what works best for you. Leave the bells and whistles behind, you really don't need them. If a product has been improved and works better for you, be open minded. But don't scoff at older stuff... its been dealing death since before you started life. Respect it. Have a basic knowledge of how to use it all, but train mostly with your setup.
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FAB defense makes one that mounts to the bayonet lug. Maybe not the best for long strings of fire, and a little odd of a position, but it's an option.
Midwest Industries has a front sight rail that clamshells on and is rock solid. running it for years, gets the light a little farther forward and no shift in zero. 33$ on some sites google the model number MCTAR-01G2
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You are an American Hero Reid!
I'm very happy to see the increased content lately, and have it be so useful as well
The Magpul light mount is a great addition to a rifle or shotgun.
The Magpul handguards are a really solid choice as well for those looking to replace the rounded handguards but not go nuts on it.
I bought a set for my 20' and they're really sturdy
Again,,,,thank you so much!! Please keep up the great videos my friend
I’ve always been fond of the Front sight pic rail attachment
Watched you for years. Thank you Reid!
Excellent presentation and way to get some torches ready for those carbines. I sure would like to get an upper with those type of hamdguards and front sight tower. Sadly, I swayed from the Old Ways.
I had a bayonet mount flashlight mount that worked pretty good and it was cheap. Centered the light under the barrel which kept it out of my field of vision. Great video as always.
Yep. I have one too. Like it a lot
FAB Defense makes a polymer picatinny rail for the AR handguard also, $15. I've used mine for nearly 10 years.
I opted for the traditional handguard as well. Heat was the driving factor. My choice for mounting accessories was a pic rail handguard length ( mounted at the bottom) as i wanted to be able to mount a light, same setup you showed just left side as I'm a lefty, and a bipod or vertical handle. I used Amazon products with stainless hardware from my local ACE. A little blue loctide and voila, everything works very well. I can reach the light switch, and yes on / off only is my preference too (blinking and flashing blablabla just makes me dizzy lol), when the handle is installed. Good video, thanks for sharing. If i may, can you consider publishing a presentation about shooting techniques free standing and how to accomplish best results? Thank you.👍
IWC sadly isn't viable at the moment as the owner passed away and they aren't selling anything on their site.
That was my top choice…kept waiting to get one and waited too long. Hoping someone buys the patent or another company makes one.
Yep.....RIP......Most of their products were good quality.....I've had 2 of IWC mounts snap right off my rail at the same place....Tried contacting them and found out about the owner passing......I found a company in PA. Shaffer Machining. They make some of the best light mounts, red dot mounts, etc. on the market in my opinion.....Arisaka is another great company for all sorts of mounting options.....
I was just going to comment that too. I hope they get the business back up and running again, they made such good products for so long.
I wish I had bought more of those. Great light mount. All their products were excellent
@@PsychedelicWinter110 They were an excellent design....yes......I'll have to disagree on quality of the aluminum they used......Maybe I just got a bad couple of thorn tail light mounts for my AK.....I had 2 of them snap at the threads in the same spot.....They were able to replace the first and when the 2nd snapped that's when I found out about the owner passing......I do want to say they sent me a new thorn tail for free.....When 2 break on me I'll stop using that product until QC does it's job......RIP to the owner I'm sure he would have done the QC check..!!!!!!!
Great info like always!!
I was watching some other videos trying to figure it out, thanks for making this!
I found that I like the "clamp onto the frontsight" rails for my light+slim plastic handguard combo, and I just velcro the pressure switch onto the handguard
This guys knowledge and personality is so underrated he truly doesn’t get the attention he deserves!
Appreciate you, Reid.
My first light was a 500 lumen harbor freight light for $7 that i zip-tied to cutout in the cheese grater handguard. I have better now but i still have it and it can compete with $100 setups.
And easier to field fix/replace. This is how production models are developed. 👍🤔🥰
Man your on drugs. I've bought lots of harbor freight lights until I wised up.they are pure crap. If you have a good one you got lucky.
My first light was a lantern that I zip tied to my musket and I was damn glad to have. It
Simplicity is cool and all, but it's good to have well made stuff. It matters.
@@deusvult6632 grug first light fire on stick with pointy rock. grug happy to have fire stick
Your channel is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for high quality knowledge transfer with effective presentation and humility!
I purchased an Elzetta FSB light mount probably close to 15 years ago. It mounts in minutes and is extremely durable. I’ve ran it on my bushmaster xm15 A2 carbine.
I bought my Stag model 1L as I am a southpaw many years ago. I don't have as many rounds through it like you do, but I'm glad that they do honor their guarantee about replacement parts.
After having all the tactical crap, I find the rifle I always grab is my classic midlength with irons and the normal round handgaurds.
I really want to schedule some training with you in the next few months. Thank you for all the useful info throughout the years.
I use a qd mount called a kerm lock. Used to have a C cell maglight mounted to it before I switched to a surfire g2x.
I really like the front sight block picatinny mounts, they work awesome
I believe cloud defensive makes light mounts for stream light and sure fire and tape strips.
When I had a round hand guard one i used an Elzetta ZFH light mount. It worked pretty good.
I religiously stick too hose clamps the cost + reliability beats any light mount I’ve found doubles as a sling mount aswell
I love the FSP Picatinny Mount but it makes your light and batteries get hot.
Ordered!! Thank you for your videos!
Great recommendations. I have been using the IWC mounts for several years too. I will have to try the pic rail setup. 😁👍
Make sure to get rail covers. Otherwise it's like a cheese grater lol
Nice option you showed for the good old round handgards 👍
My Colt 6920 is in need of a light but I have put it off because of this issue. Thanks.
Key zion makes a rail piece that mounts on your bayonet lug. To mount ur light
Thank you so much so this info…I just like the looks of the old school stuff! Thanx Brother! GOD bless!
Ergo grip mags rail section to attach to standard handguards.
For that IWC I couldn’t find one for the “double” heat shield.
They come with a bag of hardware. Different screws and back plates. You should be able to make it work on any of those Handguards. If you can find one with one of their dealers. Their site has been close to retail orders for over a year now.
OUTSTANDING VIDEO. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Ive had an iwc on back order through mounts plus for over 2 years i dont think ill ever get. Probably need to try and get my money back
Just make my m400 with clamshells pinning the FSB again and i was thinking of this as a video. Very nice my friend.
What is your opinion (if you have one) on the pic rail on the FSP like the one Midwest Industries offers? I have one and have not noticed an issue with POI.
I have done exactly like you show for the second option.. Most of my rifles have the standard round handguard and I actually prefer the smaller diameter but I put a short piece of magpul rail at the 10 o-clock position and use a 1-in scope ring to clamp a flashlight onto that rail which puts it right in front of my left thumb. Works great and was inexpensive.
You're always a breath of fresh air bro. We appreciate you.
I still use an old school m900 i was issued with a pic rail bolted to handguard. It was so old my armorer said dont bring it back.
When Reid put out his last light video, I bought several Surefire G2X lights, and they were inexpensive and awesome. I also bought a couple Magpul rail mounts, and they are one of the best inexpensive mounting options available.
I have those 4 of my shotguns and 2 of my ARs. Great lights
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Reid.
Thank you. 👍
Very helpful. Thanks
After dealing with a number of tape switches that stopped working, I switched to the more simplistic light setup like you’re running. I bought a couple of those Magpuls when they first came out and used them on issue carbines with quad rails. They worked great. Still using one minus the rings on a personal with a free float quad to mount a Scout Light 600L that I wouldn’t have otherwise bought except that the price was too right. Activating the Scout with the butt cap switch. The Magpul mount pits the light at the right height and sufficiently far enough foreword to establish a good support hand position. I’d never realized the hand guards were double heat shielded. After going with free float quads, I was a bit irritated to find that the hand guard get pretty hot closer to the gas block making gloves a necessity for anything more than a few rounds. Having watched your previous video, I now wonder how much of a difference the free float really makes when trying to make small, tight groups at 100 from a supported position.
Subscription added, thank you for your time and effort posting this content.
Thank you Reid !! 🇺🇸 👍
LOVE all the content coming out recently! Keep it coming Reid! Thank you for all you do
Thank you Reid. I still remember your lecture on the different phases of government, and we are 100% at bondage. Thank you for doing the right thing no matter what!
Great video Valor Ridge! 💯 Went up the mountains here in PWN Washington to train. Valor Ridge is my go to for training. Ive been trying the full size target training from Reid's last videos
Thank you
Kley zion makes a small rail piece that mounts to with a set screw, to your bayonet lug. To mount a light.
Great info thank you.
Those vent holes are there for a reason. When you start pluging them up heat retention/buildup can be an issue. Otherwise a good idea.
Thanks so much for answering my question!
Thanks
I already have the IWC mount on a DSA AR that I installed years ago. I love it. I had a second one on backorder for the past six months and cancelled that in favor of Reid's 1913 rail plus MagPul mount solution. Important: if you go this route, make sure you buy 15mm Long M5 T-nuts and black 1/2" flathead 10/32 machine screws as well! The T-nuts that come with the rail segments are way too small to cross the entire vent hole and engage the handguard. If you are using the quick release mount that comes with the Surefire Scout, the MagPul rings and ring base should be removed. If you decide to use the MagPul rings, the Surefire quick release mount must be removed. Either choice is valid to your personal needs and preference.
I have a Surefire I found in the mud in a bar ditch mounted in a front sight mount made by Elzetta. It covers the bayonet lug, but I don’t own a bayonet.
Ppl act like if you don’t have the newest handguard you may as well just not have a rifle 😂😂 good stuff Reid
I always switch out my round hand guards that use an A-pillar gasblock with a Midwest Industries mlok or an extended magpul mlok handguard.... I've pretty much switched over to low profile gas blocks anyway for longer mlok handguards to eliminate as much barrel shadow possible, especially when shooting suppressed. LWRC currently make my favorite DI & piston operated rifles.
Thoughts on a barrel mounted weapon light?
Nice video Reid and well said and showed buddy. Mark from Tennessee 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Love the old round handguards and have mounted pic rails on them for a light or a stubby forward grip.
You forgot to mention putting the heat shields back on after mounting the pic rail.
Good solid information.
It's so funny you came out with this video today, I was shooting my rifle with the full length free floating handgaurd then I shot my wife's with the traditional Magpul type 2 pc handgaurd and I was amazed at the weight difference
These og length handguards are nice. Delta-ring to gasblock always cut it for me. Whether it's carbine, midlength, or rifle.
I have the Israeli mount for a light under the front sight. Works great.
I love the Magpul mount.
Ergo Grips makes a drop in rail mount that bolts to your front sight tower.
I want to get a mount that attaches to the bayonet lug, but would that affect accuracy?
Liked, subscribed and you just sold some stuff for these folks.
Great info. Thank you!
i took the plastic rail off my grip pod, a couple of screws and drilled it into the handguard
Does the light block any vision with your optic? I can see it would if using iron sights. That's why I go mounting the light low.
O.G. is the way to go. That's a good lookin blaster. S tier set up is the Gordon carbine clone. Big sexy 👍
You can get Click tailcaps instead of pressure ones for the G2 and 6P models as well to eliminate the twist headache, working man's Scoutlight
Thanks for the reminder.I totally thought I was subbed👍
That’s my preferred. I like simple, traditional. Tried and true 🫡🇺🇸
On a non-free-floated barrel, the shooter has more effect on barrel harmonics than anything else. There are picatinny rail-mounts for the front-sight-post that work well.
If you want to shoot good groups with your rifle, brace off the front of the magazine-well without touching the fore-end on anything at all. What you brace against has a lot to do with it too, the more rigid the better; i.e. something immoveable like concrete or steel imbedded in the ground.
The duel output surefires are easy to convert to single output.
Sometimes you can find the dual output lights for cheaper!
If you're really in a bind for a light on your round hand guards and can't find a mount in stock, you can go the very early GWOT/OIF route and 100mph tape a dual D-cell MagLite to the bottom of your hand guards😉
Appreciate your time. Thank you.
Thank YOU... For helping me with my projects and information for us your viewers.......
Thanks for all the good info!!
I made the same mistake with the Magpul light mount. Ended up just bolting the ring mount to the round handguards of my A1. Fewer parts and a few ounces lighter, a win win mistake...
Great Idea!
Dude, your awesome to have in the 2A community.
I have an m lok rail but i wanna get a gi style upper but the m loks what i got at the time i dont think its cooler though
Your the best. Thanks for the vids. They mean alot to me.
I rock an old bushmaster m4a1 old a1 carry handle with small handgaurds I would trust it any time I use one of the front sight rails so nothing on the handgaurd it has never let me down the rifle
Excellent content. 🇺🇸
Thanks Sir!!
I have two Colt 6921's with Magpul SL handguards. I like those a lot. And mounting a light is pretty easy. If you don't want to pay a lot.
Same. The Magpul SL indeed check a lot of boxes. And your right, it's a cheap and easy way to go.
Great content thanks!
Thanks Reid. Love new stuff. Love old stuff. Know what works best for you. Leave the bells and whistles behind, you really don't need them. If a product has been improved and works better for you, be open minded. But don't scoff at older stuff... its been dealing death since before you started life. Respect it. Have a basic knowledge of how to use it all, but train mostly with your setup.