How to Make a BAD SUPERMAN Movie
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Before I pitch too you guys my own Superman movie I thought it'd be appropriate to revisit the other superman movies (specifically the latest incarnation) to deconstruct that superman and see if we can make a superman more inline with how he should be represented. Excited to see what you guys would do with a superman movie !!
So would your live action Superman wear the trunks? Does Superman and even Batman need them? If they’re here to stay DC should really embrace them, if not then make them modern
the biggest problem why henry's superman was so bad and MOS was garbage was cuz the protagonist superman doesn't even have a character or any personalities or character development at all .hes just a boring badass a bland prop with the look .he deserved better 🤦♂️. u are video is well done🔥
If you looking for inspiration for your Superman pitch, I recommend you to check Superman & Lois TV series, specially the flashbacks from episode 11. It's one the best adaptations of Superman (alongside DCAU and Superman vs The Elite) and a exemple of how to adapt the hero in the modern days without sacrificing what makes him likable and appealing.
One good scene that could be in your Superman movie is Lex Luthor trying to buy Superman by opening a brief case full of money. Superman looks at the money and then at Lex who gives a him a smile, but Superman closes the brief case and says “no.”
Smallville did a really good job with how Clark was raised by Johnathan and Martha.
Superman isn't meant to be a saviour to humanity. He's just a guy from Kansas trying to do the right thing and show people we can do so much better.
That's the thing, he's literally meant to be both.
But look how many people complain about how he has power that he was born with and can do things that others cannot which in their mind makes him boring. Even the Russo brother slaundered the character and the whole of dc by claiming superman and dc heroes can't work in cinema because they are just all powerful and therefore boring, but they were quick to glorify batman, pretty much the only character in dc everyone in warner bros respects and is quick to make heroes villians so batman can get by.
Literally the message BvS directly gives. Yet people insist it says the opposite
@@warlord8106 uh the lesson for superman is no matter how powerful he is he can’t save everyone, he learned this core lesson is when Pa Kent die from heart attack and there’s nothing he can do about it
@@warlord8106 Russo brother never said stuff like that,they actually took inspiration for captain America from supes
He's not a space Jesus, he's just a dude from Kansas trying to do the right thing.
No one ever said he is, but symbolically he is.
Superman before Henry were also seen as Jesus character??
The way he questions humans like he wasn't raised here with humans from the moment he was born is sad and garbage writing
Wasn't he compared to Jesus in the comics for his god like abilities?
Definetly.
Zack: you're living in f@#%ing dream world.
Superman: good, dreams save us. dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. and on my soul, I swear that until my dream of a where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share. I'll never stop fighting, ever.
a Superman with an actual brain: Cool Super-deviation of the topic. You didnt adress anything.
@@maskofshydid Zacks comment?
That edit was insane. Zach Snyder is literally Manchester Black.
I love making stuff up too💀
@@beartrap8625 Thor: All words are made up.
In order to make an intriguing Superman movie, they should focus more on the characterization of Clark Kent. Just like the Captain America trilogy. People see him as the ww2 hero, the legendary Captain America, as seen by his interaction with others. But at the end of the day, Cap sees himself as Steve Rogers, the skinny kid from Brooklyn.
How about superman sees himself as a boy from Smallville.
Finally someone who speaks my mind 👍👍
Bcz what others think doesn't matter , what matters is the goodness inside you.
I was never a Captain America fan and didn't know how they would pull it off in film, but what I enjoyed about Cap in the MCU films was I felt like I was watching Superman. Cap wondering what American had become and wanting to give hope for others to be better. A lot of the first Thor film and Cap felt like what Superman is.
They need to focus on Clark's relationship with his parents. And on the good parenting that he receives. And the quiet and happy life that he lives in Kansas. What makes Superman iconic is the fact that he represents the good part of America. His motivation should be the love he feels for people. Clark should be a loveable and kind hearted man. He should have a warm smile and be almost naive in his view of the world. When he moves to Metropolis, he should feel shocked at the lack of empathy people in the big city have. The movie should focus more on his struggle to connect with the people of Metropolis because they have become cynical about others who say they want to help.
Rule #1 on how to make a good Superman story: Don't take any inspiration from Frank Miller or Injustice.
@Erik Kemeey You serious dude? BvS will literally a shittier version of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns
@Will N I think what you really mean is All-Star Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, Age 12.
@Will N I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or a dig.
@Will N Ah, I see.
@Erik Kemeey Redemption that's not earned, the movie is just awful if you want a good redemption movie watch the animated movies they're a good
One thing I am sick of is superman’s farther constantly dying as part of his origin.
It’s not essential he’s not Batman. He’s not defined by trauma, it’s not about how they died.
It’s about how they lived.
Batman isn't defined by trauma either, he's defined by feeling obligated to save Gotham in incredibly romantic fashion, despite the sad loneliness it brings him, because he feels it's what his parents would want him to be. Remember his father was a doctor and his mother was a charity worker. As batman he saves Gotham from the evils of crime, the evil that took his parents.
@@FreakyTeeth yes but I’m reality his parents wouldn’t want him to it’s what he thinks his parents would want in truth his parents would want him to be happy. So yeh he is if he wasn’t traumatised by watching his parents shot in front of him as a child he wouldn’t be Batman
Uncle Ben: First time?
@Will N yeh but there’s loads of interpretations like that that r different like in Tom Kings batman when booster gold goes back and prevents the murder of Bruce’s parents Bruce Wayne does not become batman at all….
@@FreakyTeethBruce would have been raised as an honest man, but he wouldn't have been Batman at all. Batman exists because of the death of his parents. You took that, Batman doesn't exist
I have this image in my head that always pops up for what I would think would be a great intro for a Superman movie. Imagine Superman in a small town playing baseball with some kids on the street. He's being casual, he and the kids are joking, and minor curses are being thrown around. Something akin to The Sandlot for example. We see the scene take place from a kid's camera, as he's recording from a distance. So a pov shot. Supes is being cheeky as the team he's on is winning with the help of his powers. This goes on for maybe 3 minutes, until we pan from the pov shot to a normal cinematic movie setting. Supes hears something in the distance that needs his attention, and he flies away. That's how I'd start a Superman movie. Thanks for reading.
Oh my god that’s so wholesome, I love it
Thanks for posting
thats so wholesome
I am upset with myself for not thinking of something like that but if you would indulge me, I would like to share my Superman opening. I think mine would be for the Superman II film that follows your own.
First, we officially put Metropolis on a map, it is in Virginia just outside of D.C. The first several minutes are setting up minor emergencies across the country. A surfer is knocked off his board in Hawaii, hitting his head on a reef and falling unconscious under the water, a child lost in the woods in Washington state, and a family struggling with a cow giving birth on their farm in Iowa. But the biggest emergency is in Metropolis, as a bank is being robbed.
Three men with guns fire at a line of police cars to cover their getaway.
In Hawaii, we see a crowd of fifty people surrounding the young man brought back to the beach where CPR was successfully performed. They're looking up to the sky, crying out their thanks.
The three men split up in the back alleys, the youngest of them making a wrong turn and running head first into the crowded side walks.
The little girl lost in the woods is absolutely bawling her eyes out, crying for her mommy. A voice calmly says, "Everything is going to be all right." She looks up and stops crying, a smile missing two front teeth spreads cheek to cheek across her face.
The young man with the gun knocks several people over as he runs, hearing several police officers on foot chase him down. Out of sheer desperation, he grabs an older woman by the waist and yanks her into a corner store, knocking her grandchild over.
In Iowa, the calf that was just born is not breathing, its mom panicking and the young, inexperienced farmer is as well. Another hand grabs his own and places it on the calf's chest, the same voice telling him "calm down, she's depending on you. Let me help."
The young man pulls the old woman into the back of the corner store, ordering everyone else out. With a gun to her head, he threatens the police. Absolute chaos is spreading across the crowd.
"Look! Up in the sky!"
The very first shot of Superman in this film is him floating down to land in front of the corner store. The police and first responders clear a path for the man of steel to enter. The old woman's grandchild is pointing at the store, crying, trying to explain to Superman what's wrong but is on the verge of hyperventilating.
"He's-! He's-! He's-! He's-!"
Superman takes off his cape and wraps it around the kid's shoulders. Kneeling down to eye level, he ruffles the kid's hair and says, "Everything is going to be all right. I promise."
He enters the corner store.
"Back off! I'll do it! I swear!"
"If I wanted to hurt you I can. I can move faster than the bullet in that gun, but I'll break every bone in your body. I can use heat vision to burn it to slag but you'll lose that hand. But I do. not. want to. hurt you."
"... What are you gonna do?"
"Ask you to put the gun down, let her go, and turn yourself in."
"They'll lock me up!"
"Yes, but you hurt that woman and you'll never be a free man again. I'll make sure you go to prison for the rest of your life. You end this nonsense here and now, a jury will look at you better, you will have a chance to get out. You're not a killer, yes you will be punished but you are no murderer. It is never too late to do the right thing."
"..."
The old woman squirms to be heard. "My name is Evelin, now my grandbaby is waiting for me. His name is Miles. What's yours?"
"... Raymond."
"You have a grandma too, everyone does. What is she going to think if she hears that her baby boy is a killer on tonight's evening news?"
Superman whispers, "It will break her heart."
The young man begins to cry. He hands the gun to Superman and allows the police to take him into custody. Miles hands the cape back to Superman, he and Evelin hug the man of steel as the crowd erupts in cheering.
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@Will N Metropolis is in Delaware.
The two clips of Manchester black and zack Snyder saying “you’re living in a dream world” are so ironic
More like coquesidental
More like coquesidental
Honestly absolutely amazing parallel with Zack Snyder and Manchester Black “dream world” lines! Good on you for seeing that connecting and making it very clear through editing. Just super spot on.
I assume it’s because tonally, man of steel is kind of a mess
@Erik Kemeey it was depressing not a single moment was shown Superman is optimistic the entire movie (if you paid attention) was implying Superman is being forced to be Superman like he doesn't want to save people but just obligated to because he has powers he never showed any sign of actually wanting to help the people from within him, he just started to help people when Zod forced him to and he sucked at doing so and lastly the ending never showed any optimism at all lmao from beginning to the end it was all sadness like there's no "hope"
@Erik Kemeey Go on, say we live in a dream world
I don't know why people don't get that Superman isn't that complex of a character, he's just a good wholesome boy that loves to help and cares about humanity, how is that hard to understand?
Because many people think like Lex: "Why would such a powerful being help others without asking for anything in return?"
Except that’s not true.
He *is* a pretty layered character. The issue is the constant insistence that he isn’t and that this needs to be fixed (even though he already is)
No, he's actually very complex.
@@ligma3205 balls
He's complex but he doesn't scream it in your face like we are use to with Batman, which is all about his traumas and troubles with it's great and Batman its great but, Superman doesn't need to be a Batman
I love how Zach and Manchester Black said basicly the same thing "You live in a dream world" about us believing in superheroes not killing, upholding their rules, in people being able to be better and changing, in believing in a better world....and this guy was left to do Superman.
At least it’s over now
Gunn seems to get Superman pretty well
That quote is why Zach Snyder should've never touched those characters
@@Phlogiston2312 Jeez just because he doesn't portray the way you like it. Therefore, we must gatekeep him from ever directing superhero movie.
@@autobotproductions1244 I'm sorry but the Snyderverse feels less of a corporate IP and more of a one-man's vision project. At the end of the day, I just wonder what the snyderverse could have been. The reason why people watch dc is because they are NOT Marvel.
@@josephman1488 How to tell me you don't understand Superman without telling me you don't understand Superman.
That dream world Snyder quote followed by one of the most famous superman quotes was brilliant 😂.
This is why I think Superman and Lois is the best of both worlds. It still has the modern drama and has the character struggle as though he's not invincible but it still accurately portrays his optimism and heroism that he should be known for.
The more this shit keeps going, the more I realize we don't deserve that show
It's incredibly obscure for a DC series just because it's part of the CW, most people don't wanna give it a chance despite how brilliant it is
Yes you're right. But the second season went downhill fast...right down to the finale
@@richmonddjan6822
It didn't, tho
Feeling this way even more after S3… I love S&L, been watching since the premier.
"The heroes behind Superman were Jonathan and Martha Kent". This is the centerpoint of Superman. Its the reason why dark/evil Superman stories fall short. Its the reason why the TV show Smallville was so beloved. Superman is good because he had good parents that centered and grounded him, and raised him with compassion and love.
More people need to see this videoI'm sick of people justifying Snyder's butchering of Superman as "realistic" and "mature" seriously is it so unrealistic for a person to do good with his abilities simply because he wants too?
#RealismInSuperHeroStoriesDoesNotFreakingMatterAtAll (If I wanted to see everyday reality for the 10 car pile up shitfest it really is, I'll go outside or put on the local 10 O'Clock News).
In their mind, realistic means things that fits in their worldview. Their worldview has no room for people who are good for the sake of being good.
Nope, not unrealistic at all. I would love to if I had abilities.
@@CheemsofRegret Hey Geniuses, realistic means Lois doesn't ask how to spell Krypton nonchalantly after learning about alien life.
That's what the most sadest realistic one, people still think more dark equals more realistic
It still amuses me Zack Snyder said the thing about living in a dream world- and one of the most iconic and revered Superman stories of the modern age literally has the character making a SPEECH ABOUT THE GOODNESS OF DREAMS. You cannot misunderstand a character more than that.
I think you misunderstand why Snyder said you live in a dream world. Someone was asking him during a charity pannel why batman and superman kill.
Snyder could have explained his point better, but I think he is still right in saying that you are living in a dream world expecting Superman and Batman to be portrayed as heros who do nothing wrong.
Which is most superman and Batman fans expecting these heros to always be right and do nothing wrong.
I would recommend you watch that charity pannel to understand the context.
@@bupemwenya9794 Except it doesn't, Superman and batman killing still goes against their characters, no matter how Zachy boy wants to phrase it
@@seantylerfermin4927 and they both should kill as shown as human flaws Rather than the stereotypes
" superheroes should never kill "
@@kartikadewi3270 No, they literally shouldn't because by that logic Spider-man should also be killing, or Luke Skywalker should have killed Ben in hi- - - Oh... See what I mean? It's literal character assassination if they start doing the things that they dreaded in the first place... Again look at the last Jedi for reference
@@seantylerfermin4927 Ironman kills too, didn't see u complain bout dat
Zack Snyder isn't necessarily a bad director. He just wasn't the right choice for the modern era of Superman movies.
He's a narcissist
@Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here! any reason why in your opinion ?
then who is the ideal director for the modern era film for Superman
@@SilverCenturion2k6 That's a great question. Maybe James Gunn, Steven Spielberg, or some new talent could step up to the plate!
@@alecaquino4306 mine is Christopher McQuarrie or Matthew Vaughn
I think what is just as important in Superman is not just getting Clark right. But making Metropolis feel like a character. This fantasy-esque city of the future making it feel grounded and realistic, similar to what the new Batman film does for Gotham . I want believe that Metropolis can exist. That Metropolis is the best of us.
That city is ruled by Lex Luthor.
How can such a place be a utopia.
@@Condor2481 Maybe give it the image of a utopia but have the idea that there is something sinister within the city. I can see something like STAS Metropolis with blue skies and skyscrapers, but having Luther looking down on the city with “2/3 of the population working for me even if they don’t know it”.
Not me thinking about how in the real world the Daily Planet building couldn't exist nowadays because every building has to be Neutral for Real Estate Purposes and a building with a giant planet branded with the name of another business would be hard to sell when print sales decline and the paper needs to downsize.
What I hate the most about Snyder’s superman is that he has a less screentime in BVS (You know, a movie that he’s a protagonist and a titular character) than Lois Lane and Lex Luthor. That’s the amount of respect Snyder gave to this character.
Have you seen the ultimate edition, also Superman got his movie, he decided to focus more on Batman. Not a bad idea
@@Knoispowr BvS shouldn’t have been the next movie in line after MoS. They killed him off before he even got a chance to settle into his role. Such a waste.
The guy even had the ghall to kill of Jimmy Olsen in the opening sequence of the film, you know, Clark Kents best friend? They didn't even name drop him in the theatrical cut.
And if you had any doubts that Zack Snyder has no respect for Superman and his supporting cast don't worry, he pointlessly kills off Mercy Graves by the midpoint of the film as well.
"He doesn't read the comics, he just looks at the art." 😂🤣😂🤣🤣, I believe it's accurate tho.
I totally agree. I hated how Clark's father would not let his son save him. It made no sense at all and that was the tip of the iceberg that was wrong with the Man of Steel movie
Zack Snyder never really understood Superman. Supes is the Big Blue Boy Scout. The light to Batman’s dark. What has always struck me is the difference between the battle scene in Man of Steel as opposed to the equivalent scene in Superman II. In the Chris Reeve film, when Superman realizes the destruction that could result from such conflict, he hightails it out of town in order to save lives.
Yet Christopher reeves superman took away zods powers crushed his hands and threw him into ice while smiling
@@wingknight7132 Zod survived that entire ordeal because, in a deleted scene, Zod was taken away by cops. Also, having a hopeful scene of Superman regaining his powers is not the same as Superman in Man Of Steel killing Zod by snapping his neck.
@@HenryLouis21 whether zod survived or not thats not the point superman took away his powers crushed his hands and threw him onto the pit like trash while smiling meaning he enjoyed doing the deed
@@wingknight7132 Did you really think that Superman enjoyed crushing Zod's hand and tossing him into a pit like some kind of psychopath? Like he enjoyed inflicting pain on Zod? No, he was happy because he had his powers again and didn't smile like a bloodthirsty killer.
Superman in Man Of Steel is a bleak and depressing version of the character who killed Zod because the writers made him want to kill him for shock value without any sense of exploration into him being forced to kill Zod.
@@HenryLouis21" he was happy because he had his powers again"
No he wasnt he made zod human and treated him like trash this superman abused his powers
In mos superman was forced to kill zod he begged zod to stop see the difference
This is why I hesitate when people say “Restore the Snyderverse” it’s clear that he’s not interested in making good DC movies, just good Snyder movies. But also Warner Bros do not know at all what they are doing. So the DCEU is kinda just fucked 😂😂
I wish there were some Hollywood writers at least 1/100th this intelligent and caring about the source material.
People say Superman is boring because he's "too strong", but love Flash, people say Batman's cool cause he has none, but used to dump on Hawkeye on before the show because he has none.
Dunno what geeks want, really
kevin feige is a huge fan of superman he took heavy inspiration from superman for MCU captain America . sucks that DCeu did the opposite
That's true
Yeah no surprise considering fiege was tutored by Richard Donner himself
@@thesuperframe thanks for more info man i never knew that
@@thesuperframe what's more interesting is Geoff Johns also worked under Richard Donner. Man Geoff Johns made some very weird and wrong decision while he was head of dc films unlike his ex co worker Kevin fegie.
It's pretty crazy when you look at Snyders movies through the Altruism v. Objectivism lens.
Take Army of the Dead for instance, a movie Snyder had 100% control over. The script had exactly one Altruistic character, Dave Batista's daughter. Not only did the movie make her out to be the most hate-able character in the movie, her actions directly leads to the deaths of not only her Dad, but the people she tries to save and the Pilot. Every other character starts out selfish, but when they do end up performing a good, altruistic act they get killed moments later. The pilot not leaving, the safe cracker saving the guy who was a jerk to him and the Coyote luring the Alpha away with the head of the Queen are all examples. Hell, even the woman who professes her love fr Drax gets her neck snapped 2 seconds later.
Snyder takes the term "no good deed left unpunished" literally. ;)
Have you thought that his message is that ultimately, doing good things is noble even its hard and costs you?
@@Condor2481 But that's not what he shows. In the movie, outside of the daughter, doing _one_ noble thing _instantly_ kills you and quite often kills innocent bystanders.
With the daughter, Snyder takes the one character who noble the entire time and does _everything_ he can to make you hate her even before the mission starts.
It's literally Objectivism v. Altruism, a very popular topic for people who, like Snyder, love Ayn Rand. Doing anything for non-selfish ends is wrong. It's like someone read a cut down version of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nation and ignored all context.
@@andrewshandle i don't think it is that deep
And Snyder cult would call that movie Masterpiece
@@coomiler6490 i think the man himself is a troubled man, just look at the way he potrayed his main characters in his movies, RB, Army of the Dead, MOS and the love of constantly including distasteful sex scenes or Images (space virgin* and d*ck rockets etc) Zack has issues lol
The line “You don’t owe this world anything” could have been great, if they changed a few things. Have it be Lex Luthor saying it, and have Superman’s response be “I know, but it’s the right thing to do.”
MOS might be the superior movie from looks but the oldies with Christopher Reeve will always have more heart
Superman is allowed to be OP because he’s a good guy. I’m sick and tired of them making him evil. We get it, he’d be really menacing as a bad guy. Making him evil is basically a trope at this point.
Tbf DC isn’t entirely to blame for that trope.
Omni-Man & Homelander were created well before DC pulled the trigger. They just didn’t become popularized til The Boys & Invincible were put on Amazon several years after DC launched the Injustice games.
There’s also Brightburn which wasn’t their creation either. DC’s mainly just done it with Injustice & the Knightmare visions in Justice League which I blame Snyder for. I honestly don’t mind Injustice, but they did it way too soon when we barely even had Clark Kent established.
That’s an Elseworlds that should be explored like a decade down the line & kept FAR away from the main DCU continuity. I agree that they just need to nail & establish classic Superman first & foremost before there’s even any weight to him falling so far from grace in an alternate universe.
But not limitless cause his just plane boring
Spot on. It's reassuring to see videos like this that show that there are still people out there who still understand Superman.
Can't wait for the follow-up video.
Admittedly when I was young I use to neglect the character, although I still acknowledged the character's presence, I was mainly into popular characters like Spiderman or Batman (even though I still love those characters a lot). But after years of reading comics and watching shows and films as a teenager, I then began to understand what the character truly means to the world. Superman has quickly become my favourite superhero, as the character constantly reminds me the what it means to be good and the simple reason to be good, simply because it's right. The character has taught me that we have to keep on going, we have to persevere in the midst of the struggles and challenges of life, even now with my current depression an social anxiety, I still keep on going because I know that deep down there will be a better tomorrow. Its easy to have a cynical mindset in life and understandable, but whats truly a challenge is having hopeful and optimistic mindset, but worth it to help others and better ourselves simply because it right.
I truly love the character of Superman so much and have been a little disappointed with how the character has been handled in the DCEU, even though Henry Cavill could've been a fantastic Superman, as he truly loves and understands the character as proven by his interviews and even would've rather preferred to depict the character to be more hopeful and optimistic.
I am actually currently writing up scripts for my own take on the DCEU with castings, themes and plots based on countless films, shows, animation and comics and my own ideas. I deeply believe @SUPER_FRAME and myself share a similar idea of wgat makes for a good Superman film/trilogy, and much like him I have been inspired to one day make pitch videos for my own take on the DCEU and have written up ideas for a Superman trilogy, a Flash film, a Green Lantern franchise and so many more etc...
At the end of the day, I thoroughly believe that now more than ever, that *the world will always need Superman!*
@@milkiassamuel780 im kinda planning a series of superman thats loosly in the same continunity of the dceu snyderverse but keep in mind loosly connected
That's my Superman. Screw Zack Snyder and everyone who keeps trying to make him edgy.
Superman is a real hero.
I love superman as a character, but i also love man of Steel.
“The world will always have dark corners, and black and white comes in thousands of shades of gray, but here are seven people, good and true, come what may. They have the power to enslave the world but work tirelessly to keep it free. They are, in the best sense of the word, childlike. I suppose only a child could buy into such a ridiculous premise. But once it’s in your heart, you can’t help but take that little scrap of magic forward with you.”
-Darwyn Cooke
How to make a bad Superman movie: hire Zack Snyder.
I never could really put my finger on why I disliked Zack Snyder’s interpretation of dc characters so much until I learned he was an Ayn Rand fanatic, then it all just clicked. Taking some of the most renowned icons of hope and selflessness and turning them into nihilistic individualists is probably the worst thing you can do when adapting a superhero, but to do it with THE superhero, Superman? You gotta wonder how he of all people, ended up as the director.
And Snyder’s Superman also said “No one stays good in this world.” Why just why would someone make Superman say that!?
I mean he was under pressure
@Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here! so he can't be under pressure? I mean given the circumstances in the movie he was also afraid he might have to kill batman
@Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here! I mean he is still starting as a superhero so of course he would doubt himself and besides superman ws kinda wrong in the film
Because in this world we can’t have nice things.😔
@@tobsonasanya4765 A hero rises underpressure, not breaks
Zack Snyder's understanding of Superman and his portrayal, particularly in terms of resembling Jesus, is questionable.
Superman and Lois' Superman/Clark Kent is the version we need and we haven't seen for decades now in live-action before the show's release. The only CW show that I think currently is worth watching. Tyler Hoechlin is great in it as Superman too. My favourite moments are the flashback scenes, where we see this Superman's origin, motives, and personality.
That whole flashback episode is the best exemple of how to make a Superman movie by making a new story while making tribute to what came before. I specially like how that Superman origin isn't about him having to earn people trust and dealing with prejuice and the fact he is a alien, but rather about Clark adapting to his new life in Metropolis and developing romance with Lois, which helps him overcome the break up with Lana (which I love that it's caused by the fact that Clark spend to much time training with Jor-El, showing how his decisions can have consequences)
He's a superman who wants to wear a v neck with kids, who lives in Smallville. Stop being delusional
@@xzzz3019 wdym
Thats coz Tyler's been superman for 15 years. MoS superman was Superman for barely 1 week. Snyder had 3 movies planned for Cavill where in the end he would have become the superman y'all rejoice. MoS is the origin story for a superman which no one ever tried to bring into theatres except snyder. If WB didnt bit*h out we would have got MoS3 by now.
FACTS
Zack Snyder is a good director... For the right IP.
Superman is NOT that IP.
He never was a good director .a hack whose whole career exists because of a one movie name MATRIX .that's the movie he copies for his every project and its out dated
Yes he was best suited for dark and warrior type ip like Batman and wonder Woman. Literally in all of his first three dc movies wonder Woman and Batman stood out the most than Superman. Superman two movies upto that point but he was still dull character. Wonder Woman movie had Snyder co writing with patty which turned out to be first critically acclaimed movie in DCEU. Snyder made Batman the fighter we all know and he even made some aspects of things good, but the only big let down with Batman is totally devoid of compassion and humanity of that character. Batman might seems to be less compassionate than other jl members. But, he was totally opposite of the assumption. He can be very easily get heart broken, he feels human emotions more than most.
@Will N I saying Zack is best suited for warrior type characters in general. For example take 300. Superman is not a hardcore warrior, he is a farm boy who has very sense of justice with very good heart. But wonder Woman total identity depends on her being warrior. Batman war on crime depicts him also as a warrior. Hence, wonder Woman and Batman stood most out of Zack Snyder DCEU Trinity and Superman had two movies before Justice League but still other two over shadowed him.
Cough cough Superman & Lois. Seriously people watch that show- it’s really, REALLY great as a Superman story.
right?
Season 2 isn't as good though
lmfao.
@@dimitrescu182It's ok, but season 3 is amazing
Smallville was much better
Superman is an alien who is more human than his human foe, Lex, who acts like an alien with how he sees fellow humans.
Right now Superman is being done justice on the small screen. By Tyler Hoechlin. If the flashpoint movie does change the status quo, I'd love to see Tyler's version of the character appear on screen
agreed. Tyler's superman is so comic accurate and It would be amazing to see him interact with the other superheroes like batman
*100%* Love that show.
Indeed! I love Tyler's portrayal and his writing as superman🙌😄
Tyler's Superman is everything Henry's Superman could've been!
Could bring him in Keaton or Rebirth style
I am a supporter of both Marvel and DC Comics due to their capacity to convey profound meanings through their characters.
Thank you. Thank you! THANK YOU!!!! 100% Nailed it. So many Snyderbots (like Snyder himself) don't actually like Superman, they just like his god like powers and project their own flawed, self-aggrandizing outlook on to the character for pathetic wish fulfillment, born out of insecurity.
What I want for superman on film is for a great filmmaker on par with Matt reeves to be allowed take control by WB/DC of the superman franchise so we can finally get the definitive take on the character on screen by a writer/director with a knowledge and passion for the character. Scrap the DCEU altogether so we can focus on artful character studies like the batman
David Lowery, Brad Bird and Christopher McQuarrie would be my top pics for the job.
@@jameshally1441 I would pick Brad Bird from all your options, but I'd suggest James Mangold or Matthew Vaughn. I wanted Bird to pick up MCU Spider-Man, tho.
Yesssss. That would amazing a stand-alone superman movie and show the psychology and upsides of Clark and his morals. That would be perfect
@Erik Kemeey it was garbage
@Erik Kemeey a lot of the characters are fundamentally different
I really do hope we do get a good Superman someday
That's what's so frustrating. People WANT to see a good Superman. There are people who WANT to make a good Superman, it's just that WB refuses to do anything with him.
Matthew Vaughn and Henry Cavill have expressed interest in doing another Superman movie. Rocksteady and WB Montreal were working on a Superman game each but ended up being turned down for that Suicide Squad game.
It's like the only thing people can think of is to make him evil or not do anything at all.
@@DinoDave150 that's true and heck the superman movie that I want is personally about Clark kent and Lois lane raising my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and teaching him how to be a great hero because that story is super great and would be a great story to see in animation or live action at least in my opinion.
We already have a good Superman people just nitpick what he did and didn't do.
@@bupemwenya9794 fair enough
@@bupemwenya9794 no we have him at CW .u are talking about the worst one
I still think that The Iron Giant is the best representation of Superman!
5:26 it’s not just Superman, he doesn’t understand Batman either. The minute you say “Batman kills, get over it” is the minute you should realize you don’t understand anything about the character.
DC has already perfected the art of the bad Superman movie
Snyderbros must be mad over this video😂😂
No, they're just tired of anti-snyder trolls that keep burying them, leaves a bitter taste.
Judging by how they're treating the new DCU news, they deserve it. @@johndoe-sv9th
zack snyder : " u are live in a dream world "
SUPERMAN : "good dreams save us "
zHack snyder : this is blasphemy 😭
No it's not.
Both of those statements are used in two different contexts.
@@bupemwenya9794 I personally hate how anti snyder fanatics such as Thunder Ass misunderstood what zack snyder intentionally wanted to say.
Plz stop crying there was nothing realistic about his movies .the boys show is realistic .
@@herloss448 there is realism in his movies.
Just not your preference.
@@herloss448 the boys is realisitic , i agree and so is Snyderverse.
That is an additional rationale for why Zack Snyder should not portray Superman as Jesus.
Zack doesn’t understand Batman either
I love how Snyder fans say that Cavill is the first modern Superman to show struggle and conflict, completely ignoring the fact that Smallville did it already, and better in every way 💀
As dirty as Zack did Clark in his movies I still think his Lex Luthor is worst thing about those movies. He is almost unbearable to watch whenever he's onscreen. Clancy Brown's animated series Lex was the GOAT and should be the reference point for all future adaptations.
💯 agree. Superman is the symbol of hope, he's humanity makes him lovable, he's the ultimate good guy. Whereas Snyderman is a dull, boring and angry-looking imitation of Superman.
Christopher Reeve is my favorite. After watching Superman and Lois, Tyler Hoechlin has become my second favorite. It's a really good show.
It's so dismaying that it's almost as though people see someone choosing to be kind and heroic by their own volition as more unrealistic than having superpowers. Like you said, it's becoming uncomfortably common to have superhero media be cynical and 'edgy,' and it leaching into Superman of all characters just feels so baffling. One of Superman's most fundamental aspects is his kindness and care for others. If you strip that back and just turn him into a flying brick, how can you even really call that Superman?
Yeah, he just a nice guy, why it so hard to be a nice guy like really
Finally someone said it. Snyder is not the right man for dc heros.
“Superman vs the Elite” is the perfect movie to adapt a live action movie from.
“Action Comics: What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?”
The fact that Ant Man of all characters managed to get a modern day live action trilogy complete before the practical godfather of the superhero archetype really goes to show how much WB dropped the ball with Superman in recent years, all for the sake of trying to “deconstruct” his character.
I came here to see Snyder Bros cry. 🤣
Superman is more relatable than most characters. He goes through the same problems we all do. He has relationships, work, an immigrant story, and strong beliefs. Batman and Spider-Man are not much more relatable just because they’re less powerful. Are you a millionaire with a thousand gadgets that always only has 1 thing on your mind? And it’s not like you are constantly swinging through NYC and fighting evil scientists with powers
Spiderman es more human for me since he actually has problems to para rent, problems talking with Girls and even if saves the People the media is always against him
I agree that Although batman has a tragic backstory we can’t relate to his lavish lifestyle. But Spiderman’s personal life is very down to earth. He’s an orphan living with his auntie and uncle who tragically died, he’s intelligent but broke, he struggles having relationships with girls and the people he loves are constantly suffering the consequences of his actions, and he’s going through all of this as a teenager and yet he tries to do the right thing. Not only is he relatable, he’s a tragic character.
This video justifies my problems with those newer films as it really never felt like Superman to me. More of those evil superman tropes in other media (i.e Brightburn, Homelander) and it's quite boring to see another darker more "realistic" Superman when he should be the better person not in strength but in morals and help inspire hope, which is why he's my all-time favorite superhero and after seeing this video makes me excited to see your pitch on a Superman movie because I know that you understand what he's supposed to be and that just makes me happy. You've earned a subscriber, thank you for this wonderful content
Omniman too. Would love to see Superman beat up Ultraman in the DCEU.
@@Biocreech yeah that would be great to see. But probably not happen given everything Dc is doing which is just basically the 90s after the dark knight returns where everything needs to be dark and gritty. I just hope the flash movie might fix things
@@BulloftheMesozoic I think ever since Aquaman or even Whedon’s Justice League the DCEU has adopted a lighter tone. Even Gunn’s Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are dark and violent but have a lot of heart and humor. I think Flash is intended to reboot things so fingers crossed.
@@Biocreech same here. I love Peacemaker and The suicide squad because as you said they're dark and violent but have a lot of heart which is what i want to see in future movies. not every superhero needs to be batman
@@BulloftheMesozoicI think the YT channel “Film Theory” gave James Gunn the perfect blueprint:
- take care of your heavy hitters first but don’t be afraid to use less popular heroes if the inspiration is there
- respect the source material with passionate writers/directors
- use different genres instead of forcing everything into the same tone like the gritty Snyderverse
- take your time & don’t overload too many projects or plan too far ahead without the chance to course-correct
Basically follow the formula of the early 90s - mid 2000s DCAU which checks off all these steps. Thankfully Gunn mentioned he will be taking inspiration from those classic cartoons.
1) Hire a guy who virtually verbatim quoted the Manchester Black monologue from What's so funny about truth justice and the american way to direct
2) sit back and watch
I agree Zack don't care about the comics
Literally all of his ideas came from comics, probably ones you've never read
Unless they're called Dark Knight Returns or Injustice anyway.
@@DinoDave150 earth 1, birthright, new 52, and man of tomorrow as well. Watch the interviews
I guess you don't care about new 52 comics, because literally zack snyder basically wanted Live Action New 52.
@@elijahlee3610 bro you do know Zack Snyder dc movies are heavily influenced by new 52 comics. New 52 which caused many comics fans dislike many of those comics, hence they made rebirth and brought older aspects of characters. New 52 has cyborg as main member jl. By adapting that to DCEU they literally ended the idea of teen titans/titans in DCEU. Cyborg should have been first introduced in TITANS movie. Many people thought same thing initially. They wanted classic jl main members like in DCAU. New 52 was always doomed to fail from it start and all movies based on those faced some heavy risks of fail.
Superman TAS was the best version of character. They should be the template
Your points remind me of how HBO max marketed Superman and Lois. The first thing I saw of it besides the announcement was a little IG ad where Superman saved some people and a kid said his outfit was cool. Supes instantly took that moment after thanking the kid to praise his mom saying she made it. It felt so wholesome and it felt like Superman.
If there's one thing that I hate most In modern media it is misinterpretation.
It this constant nagging feeling by the writers and storytellers. To Have the need to change core elements of a character or narrative that made them great. In order to suit some modern agenda.
It's frustrating and infuriating really.
I thought I was the only one who thought this way. But you sir.. I tip my hat to you
From one Superman fan to another.
Well this was amazing 😊.
Looks like this one is going straight to my playlist.
I will be anxiously waiting for part 🕝 2
Zack Snyder did what Lex Luthor couldn't: destroy Superman.
lol!!!
😭
My guy just burn him like Superman burn Manchester Black brain
You anti-snyder fanatics are a plague for the potential of his universe.
Also see: Injustice
I agree that Henry Cavill is more Superman/Clark Kent off screen than on, but I still would love to see him as Superman again. After the Flash movie, they should bring him back as the Superman we know and love.
@Erik Kemeey as a Christopher Reeve disciple.
Can I just say I love hearing you talk about stuff like this? I just enjoy listening to you. Your choice of words, and your understanding of characters like Superman. You're not afraid to voice your own opinions on these types of things, and it's something I really respect.
Yesss!! Been waiting for this one, so pumped! Superman creates a fantastic backbone of aspiration and strength in DC, and getting him right is so essential!
10:46 to 10:55 Zack, I genuinely feel terrible to what happened to your daughter, but that statement is pure bullsh*t!
There’s a great comic (I forget which one) where superman decides to take hospital kids like cancer patients on a trip around the world. It’s really wholesome :)
i honestly hate Snyder's superman just a complete lack of hope and optimism he has no moral code or ideology to speak of its why he is such a weak underdeveloped character after 3 movie appearances you don't get the sense that he cares about humanity there has been zero accountability from him personally about the destruction from MOS
people were swearing up and down that it would be a character arc for superman where he realizes he need to be more careful when fighting and protect the civilians and this arc never happens and he is just as wreckless in BVS
As an aspiring writer and filmmaker, this is exactly how I would’ve approach a Superman film. Make him more altruistic and not an objectivist
Yeah honestly destroying the truck was a very small part of Man of Steel but he full on destroyed that man’s livelihood
Even him just steeling peoples clothes is not something he would or should do
Its the little details such as this that show what kind of Superman Zack Snyder was directing. I think it actually would've been more fitting if he was able to simply just stand his ground against the guy in the bar scene and not give in to rage at the end by destroying his truck, or even instead of taking someone's clothes, I think it would have been nice if he politely asked the person on their door to kindly borrow some clothes, showing how humble and earnest he is towards others in just one small scene.
You're so petty. 1) that was Clark before he dawned the cape 2) Smallville Clark had done worse, so did reeve's.
The truck scene shows that superman is human that he feels angry. That's a more than powerful scene, besides the trucker deserved it he was a mean guy.
The truck scene is one of the worst superman moments .superman is a very wise person .he would never take petty revenge like that .and the bully learned nothing .clowns will praise garbage
@@herloss448 So any other scene in which superman does not express wisdom is bad?
In every superman movie, cartoon, comic he does make a decision which we know he shouldn't have made.
I hate the idea of the uncaring Superman so much. Like, his whole thing is that he's empathy incarnate and almost, but not quite, omnipotent.
All he wants out of life is to make sure that everyone, everywhere, is safe and happy. His conflict is that it's an impossible desire, no matter how strong or fast you are. But, like the caring social worker or the person trying to unionize their Amazon warehouse, you do what you can, even knowing that winning is unlikely.
Superman Returns was a great movie.
LMFAO, that remains the biggest Superman bomb to date. Why do you think WB hired Snyder? Because Dumbass Superman was a failure.
He ain’t space Jesus. He’s space Moses.
He’s all of the above.
@ fair enough
First time viewer here. Incredibly impressed with your analysis and fantastic research. I’m glad there’s still people who understands Superman and his ideals.
Superman is an amazing character who really deserves to be done justice on the big screen so the general public can see him for who he is. He isn't some perfect all powerful savior, he's just a dorky guy from Kansas who wants to do the right thing because he knows it's right.
Edit: BTW, for the comics you use in the video which comics are they from?
Zack just became manchester black when he said ''you fucking living a dreamword''
To quote the final chapter of American Alien “I’m not from Krypton, I’m from Kansas.”
Superman is not alien Jesus
Superman is a god who sees himself as human, and wants us to be better. He loves us all, and dammit i want some hope!
Man this is one of the most based videos ive ever watched
DC in general feels like a dead body in the water
Batman is the only thing keeping them afloat.
I only fw that Harley quinn show everything else sucks the new suicide squad was meh
@@afroviewer11 GTFOH new SS movie was fire .stick to PG 13 garbage
Okay I meant the DCEU stuff
@@Hamantha If you ask me, DCEU should never exist
And instead , Just Snyderverse instead of Studio Squad, Birds of Prey, WW84, .
I REALLY want Alan Silvestri to write a Superman theme.
I’m glad someone got the balls to say this
I’m convinced that the version of Superman Zack Snyder wanted to make was Hernan Guerra from Bruce Tim’s Justice League Gods and Monsters. Hernan is basically Clark’s polar opposite and he shares a lot of the qualities Snyder’s Superman seems to have.
How?
This video is spot on. Snyder should not have been allowed to touch superman or any of the other dc characters.
That’s why WB is erasing the SnyderVerse in ‘The Flash’ film.
I’m sure he could have done Lobo or some other actual antihero.
@@theawesomebat1244 which is honestly disappointing in my opinion.
Good riddance he doesn't do now .WB did that parr right
One other thing that bothers me about Superman is the relationship with Lois Lane. It doesn't make sense for him have a relationship in all of his movies because they have very little in common. And that's why I have a soft spot in Superman III. I admire Richard Pryor taking up a fraction of the story, the allegory behind Red Kryptonite and how it changes both Superman and Clark Kent and even my favorite part of the movie being the exchange between Lana Lane and Sups
I sadly agree. While Margot Kidder does a fine job capturing Lois stubborness and risk taken attitude her love for Superman comes more because it was the rule for love interest back then. For modern takes, I think they should taken inspiration from Superman& Lois version. She capture Lois personally but the series shows how she doesn't become obsess for Superman. Instead she was the only Daily Planet reporter who was more interest in dealing with the social problems in Metropolis rather than writting about the Man Steel. It's this interest in helping people that cause Clark to fall in love for her and Lois, after seeing Clark genuinie wants to help her, develop feelings for him as well.
Smallville’s version was also good as Clark and Lois were friends for a few years before he became the blur, and then she knew his secret before he became Superman.
Man, I never heard a critique of Snyder's Superman or his films in general, done so well. They are empty and you give great context here. Perfect point and editing of the cartoon "dream world" and Zach's nihilist outlook. Jeez.
Appreciate the video man. Keep it up. This is what Snyder's problem is and is explained well. If you like his movies cool but you can't deny that he doesn't understand the characters he's portraying.
Snyder does understand the character he is portraying. Snyder refers to many comics, and he deconstructed Superman.
@@bupemwenya9794 if you enjoy his movies no judgement. Snyder's story is an alternate story for Superman and Batman.
@@malcolmroache3854 and snyder definitely understood superman and batman because new 52 exist and elseworld comics exist.
@@malcolmroache3854 I see it as this is not Superman yet and this is not Batman anymore
@@thejoker194 I agree to an extent. I understand what Snyder was trying to do with these characters. He's puts a realistic view on them and that's fine but they are still superheroes. You can have moments and situations that real life applies but don't forget who these characters are. Snyder deconstructs Superman but he doesn't have any values he was taught by Jon and Martha. Batman crosses the line and I understand why but Batman no matter how far he gets down he never crosses the line. That's what Snyder missed.
I’m so sick of the evil Superman shit it’s so overused
How to make a BAD Superman movie? Get a Hack like Snyder to direct it.
I can't agree with this video essay more.
Pretty much everything u said is what I try to tell Snyderfans. I might also add that Jonathan Kent shouldn’t tell Clark to let a bus full of children drown to keep his power’s secret
And then there’s also the snyder fans that say ‘super man is on a journey to become the super man from the comics, kinda like mcu Spider-Man’ but that always triggers me coz super man’s behaviour from the comics is how he grew up. He didn’t grow up like an alien so why is that how he acts?
@@brockjohnston2942 because you pretty much don't want a modern watchmen from iconic heroes.
@@kartikadewi3270 what does watchmen have to do with this?
@@brockjohnston2942 zack snyder purposefully wanted his snyderverse movies to be " If watchmen is hopeful"
For example, Johnathan kent telling maybe instead of yes, just like watchmen,
Cruel choices.
@@kartikadewi3270 I mean sure, could work in an elseworlds story, but I’m a main universe Superman story shouldn’t be like a watchmen story
Sam Raimi should direct the new superman reboot.
Or Brad Bird
@@kaustubhpalkar792 For the Flash they could go with someone like Peyton Reed or James Gunn, who can do this fun colorful adventure movies with epic sci-fy concepts but human and relatable characters.
@@kaustubhpalkar792 He could work as well, but I think Fraveour could work better in a Batman and Robin movie, giving them that father-son relationship vibe he gave to Mando and Baby Yoda (not saying Reeves can't do that, but I think Fraveour has more experience with this types of story).
@@kaustubhpalkar792 Good choices, although I would make some few changes.
1 Brad Bird directing a Justice League movie
2 Sam Raimi directing a Superman movie
3 Rian Johnson directing a Batman movie
4 Caity Lotz directing a Wonder Woman movie
5 Peyton Reed directing a Flash movie
6 Jon Fraveur directing a Green Lantern Corps movie
@@alexandrefrauches132 just imagine a DC animated universe which animation style and character design is inspired by the incredibles movie. A DC animated universe which is inspired by Brad bird's the incredibles.
This whole thing makes me think of a small scene from Justice League Vs. The Fatal Five. Batman sees in the future a statue of himself in an almost godly sorta fashion with the gold and whatnot, and all he says is "Definitely not my style". That's Superman when he sees himself in modern movies and the New 52