Some people are getting the point of this video wrong. Points like: -He needed them to progress -He wasn't innocent -What do you mean it's out of character!? - B- but the novels! I'm aware of all these points but these are not the point of the video. It's the way the murders are _treated_ is what I'm talking about. Kratos "needed" the Princess (he could've lifted the gate)? Okay. Fine. It's still treated and played in dark comedy fashion. Kratos needed all the victims in the video above. That doesn't change anything, and it especially is not the point of the video. There's also the whole "Kratos regrets what he did to the boat captain. It's character depth" that I don't quite agree with. It's all a matter of taste. I personally don't find it a good thing in Valhalla that they made the boat captain situation serious and weight holding. Something that's always been a joke and a running gag, being turned into some serious thing all of a sudden doesn't click with me and that's where _I_ stand on the boat captain subject. You like a running gag turned into a serious manner arc? That's you.
I think it's at least interesting to try and turn the tables on the running gag, making it in a serious tone all of a sudden. But also i think they might do this just to close this theme and never mention him again.
@@CoolSaver It is ultimately up to them how they wanna treat their property. I'm just a guy with an opinion on the matter. _I_ hate it being taken seriously.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 tbf GoW3 already took it kinda seriously. I mean, the way his note is written always makes me feel bad for the guy. All his other entrances do not, at least not this much. And here, i think they intentionally gave him so much attention and even sort of apology from Kratos to put this joke to rest. I think you'll agree, after everything said about him in Valhalla, making fun of him again will be a bit weird and inappropriate. It was a great gag though, i'm gonna miss this lad (if my thoughts are correct).
I heard somewhere Zestos, that Kratos and his ship crew where heading to Athens, but the boat captain refused or someshit like that, and the boat captain had a section of the ship with a bunch of slaves. So the reason why Krate killed Pimp captain was because he was a bad man and he took the key to save the slaves?? I might just saying a whole bunch of nonsense, but still, it’s interesting.
Important note: most people seem to completely miss the detail that the boat captain has a bunch of slave women in his room, trapped from inside as in he locked them in. And in the novelization of the first game it's explicitly said that the boat is a slave trade boat. The BOAT CAPTAIN isn't innocent he's supposed to be a trash person where you shouldn't feel bad for!
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Of course, it is a typical comedic moment of the terrible person getting what they deserve. Btw love your videos, especially the petition for remastering the classics. Keep up the good work!
Treating the Boat Captain seriously is part of the Greek Tragedy. Having the running gag become serious is part of the running gag and Kratos develops more as a bonus.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Yeah, alot of them do.... especially with Athena, Zeus, Hera, & Artemis, Apollo, Haephastus & Ares too. It's a given for Greek myths as with When Hera birthed Haephaestus he was so ulgy she dropped off Mount Olympus. ( The Origins Of Haephaestus) Zeus randomly kills his pregnant wife by transforming into himself (The Birth Of Dionysus) Artemis cursing a man for accindently stumbling upon her bathing in a public forest (Real Greek Myth) Hera murdering every wife & child of Zeus' affairs and concubines. (An Actual Greek Gag taken serious)
@@TheTrueTyrannosaurusRex Oh. Interesting. Although the way these turn into something serious are a bit different in the approach. I guess these are origin stories. But thanks. Didn't know a lot of these.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Oh, no it makes sense it is a greek tradition to tease at the olympians and their pride within each myth or a play it's popular. But not very well know amongst foreigners.
@@ExtremeGameplays1wow, i didn't even know that but do you understand now considering OP, was basically talking about what my argument was trying to 'refute' your baselined argument that was served my many points that you've made, but OP simplified it much better than mine since i was trying to elaborate... still liked the video despite all of this, and im sorry about the 'gaslight' thing that i was discussing about since, you didn't really gaslight and instead reiterated what the points you were making in the video...
Humour is prevelant in every piece of media, it's just expressed differently. God of War is not resident evil or devil may cry, it's not gonna make you haha with cheesy one liners, it's about the tone of the game. Bayonetta's humour is expressed with over the top insane shit on screen, Gears of War's humour is expressed through self-aware dialogues, dead space's humour is expressed in a similar way to god of war's dark humour, by irrelevant NPCs just dying in a comical way that has no effect on the character or story. Whether it clicks with you or not is a different subject, but its nature is not debatable, and the boat captain is, imo, the best god of war joke, ain't no way I'm taking him seriously 💀
Brilliant. You know what game has awesome humor? Time Splitters. Future perfect in particular. The whole character selection screen in local multiplayer is humor.
I dont think the Poseidon's princess thing was supposed to be comedy, all of gow tropthies have jokes in them, I believe they were just trying to make Kratos make continuously awful things (i dont know why but I'm pretty sure that's the intention, the devs even said Hera's death scene was supposed to be a QTE but changed their minds because it would be too awful) Great video though, and i do agree with the overall sentiment that these moments are simply jokes and not to be taken as part of the story or as character development and yeah the dark comedy in these games are very underappreciated, and i think the sex mini games fall into that category too, I've seen some say that they're misogynistic, i completely disagree and think they're hilarious especially the one in ghost of sparta Keep up the good work Zesty 🤍
4:08 I disagree with the boat captain part I agree all of them are not serious but the captain is a special case he is supposed to show the world when introducing this series and it’s protagonist back in 2005 that Kratos is no hero he is not your typical action hero you always play as he is an antihero
One of my most early memories is playing gow2 with my uncle and it was the part where kratos grabs a Spartan soldier and puts him in the machine that leads you to the Cerberus type beast. I remember my uncle dying of laughter,he had found it hilarious so i knew that most of this “unacceptable” stuff was just dark comedy and was never meant to be taken seriously
The reason these gags are on every gow are cause of fan service and I like it .But l don't like that these funny gags were taken seriously as you said on gow valhalla. Great video!! Thanks for analysing this cool topic!!
The thing is the mentioning about the boat captain in Valhalla is the continuation of the gag When Kratos mention him I instantly giggle cuz I remember how we always stumble upon him I mean what about Kratos joining Mortal Kombat? It doesn't even makes any sense considering Kratos
I haven't finished the video yet but my biggest issue with the boat captain isn't that SMS wants us to take his deaths seriously, it's that everyone likes to throw up the novelization of God Of War and point out he was human trafficking the women Kratos failed to save. Boat Captain was meant to be a joke, nothing else.
i dont think that Kratos was there to save the women or the ppl that were there and if he was there, i don't think Kratos cared about the fact that the Captain was a human trafficker or perhaps he didn't even know that he was the human trafficker...
but to minimise the boat captain to just being a 'joke' doesn't invalidate the whole notion of Kratos' character and the GoW games in general with Kratos killing and using ppl that get in his way...
@@godzillazfriction Personally I never cared about the boat captain so I always thought of him as a joke so I never cared about his being due to the fact that I never saw the novelizations as canon. If you want to explain why the boat captain isn't just a joke, I'd truly love to hear it if you're willing.
@@BezddDakota the Boat Captain is meant to serve as an allegory or a testament against Kratos' cruelty and violence against those who became a victim of that against Kratos, but the reason why it's the boat captain and not the others, (especially Poseidons Princess) is because of the fact that the Boat Captain was constantly the victim of Kratos compared to the rest, this is why he's the one that gets touched upon since he's the long-running one in the GoW series and perhaps SSM saw the 'criticisms' in regards to Poseidons Princess' death, that ppl held exceptions by because she is a 'female' and wife/s** sl**e, trust me... that's the whole notion where ppl think SSM went 'too far' and in regards to Zesty, it's apparently 'out of character' for Kratos and with that pointed out, in Valhalla, Kratos is coming to accept for what he has done and coming to terms with himself but for some reason, Zesty criticises this because of the contrived standings that he has in this video...
@@godzillazfriction >Out of character Did you literally miss two whole segments where I talk about how Kratos was a war criminal who killed innocents and all that jazz? Like, back to back clips of me saying Kratos was a murdered. You got the whole 'out of character' subject wrong. It's not "out of character" for Kratos to kill innocents. You're missing the point. The boat captain's situation is pretty simple. I don't know what's there to not understand. I hate how they turned it into a serious subject matter. That's it. Man was always a joke and no amount of novels will unjoke him. A joke and a running gag for every GoW game. Got turned into a serious tale of Kratos "wronging" somebody. Simple as that.
1:53 the what? The boat captain being canonised is so unnecessary, it was literally the best joke through all gows that included him😐 >the last of us part 2 A fucking joke of a story, you could make a story like that in any game where you kill people, its just so fucking dumb. Uncharted >>>>>>> tlou
Hey, about that Princess episode, i wanted to ask something. As i replayed the Remastered version of the game, i've herad Kratos saying "GO!" as the gear crushed her. Was it always there? I don't remember it at all. I think they might've added this line to kinda make this scene not that bad (it's still bad though, cause now Kratos is not just cruel (as he always been), but also dumb).
@@LadyOfTheEdits no, that i remember, it's when you're pushing her towards the mechanism. I was talking about the specific ONE line which played exactly the moment before she dies.
Poseidon bride wasn't dark comedy. It was just the writer reminding the audience that Kratos is the villains of the story. It easy forget when you having fun killing god and the scene goes directly to view to remind them Kratos is still insane.
The game establishes and reminds us that Kratos is a villain 50 different ways, both prior AND after the princess incident. Even the trophy is joking about it. It is out of character no matter how you look at it.
@@ExtremeGameplays1The game synopsis actually confirms Kratos has lost his sanity in GoW3. Its unknown why this happened but it seems to be tied to learning that Zeus was his father and responsible for literally everything wrong in his life,and what happened to Deimos and his mother etc. You can see the camera focusing on his eyes after Athena dies,that was the moment he broke.
@@ExtremeGameplays1i dont understand how it's exactly 'out of character' for Kratos just because it plays dark comedic effect especially in regards to the trophy which hints on SA Poseidons wife... labelling Kratos or reminding that Kratos is a 'vIlLaIn' is a very one-noted and sheltered way of looking at things in regards to how Kratos is... the guy loves violence but hates for the things that Kratos himself caused by Kratos' bloodlust and power and it's why he's very lenient on not causing innocent deaths that get in his way and even saves one because of the circumstances that was given by Kratos in that moment, and in a last moment decision... Kratos saved 1 innocent life because he was very close to Kratos (if that same thing happened in Chains of Olympus, Kratos wouldn't care at all if that innocent died right in front of him and wouldn't care at all to save him), it really doesn't make sense how you hold Kratos at a pedestal for labelling Kratos 'out of character' simply because he used a human being in which case, the human being was a s@x sl@ve for Poseidon and was a female for that matter but of course it has to be 'out of character' for Kratos and plays just for dark comedic effect despite Kratos not caring about the lives he takes, especially when they get in his way and in this instance was a puzzle solve that Kratos uses throughout many GoW games...
@@ExtremeGameplays1imo the whole Poseidon's bride sequence has a slow buildup for a bloody punchline, you spend up saving her and moving her from quite some time, you can even read how Poseidon apologized to her, and at first glance you don't know what real intentions kratos has, there must be a reason for kratos to do a translator quest, then she just becomes a door stopper
The boat captain was never meant to be taken seriously. If you watch the dev commentary for GOW (2005), David Jaffe mentions how they were planning to have a Tinkerbell-esque character who would act as a tutorial of sorts for the first level. She would then be suddenly and brutally torn apart by the undead legionnaires. That's a perfect example of black humour. GOW 3 is where the series, in my opinion, really started to go overboard to the point where it felt distasteful. And that's not just in regards to the dark comedy. Nearly everything in that game had been made as over-the-top as possible, which meant the violence had been elevated to a level that the previous entries made sure not to reach. GOW 1 and 2, while brutal and often dark in tone, still had a level of class which made it so that a wider audience could still be interested in playing those games. GOW 3, though the most successful out of the Greek games by far, veered hard into edgelord territory and tainted the perception of GOW in the public sphere. Now, with GOW 4 and Ragnarok, you could argue that the brutality has been toned down too much as a response to how a lot people perceived GOW 3. There needs to be that balance again.
Finally Someone who actually had the same point as me . Thank you Zesty . Even tho ngl I always laugh at that princess scene just for the pure brutality of it 👀
Its not an out of character moment at all Zesty, Its totally in character, whenever Kratos found someone he could use make his path just a little easier he did Shio Captain was definitely a running gag and dark comedy, and i didn't like how they made him some sympathetic crying story in Valhalla. And it's just one thing that has bothered me, multiple things they tired to change the narrative around or thr devs simply don't understand how the old games portrayed certain things as many of the old devs aren't there replaced by new ones. Poseidon princess wasn't a dark comedy at all, never found any humor in it. Killing thr Athenian soldier, or Boat captain they was its presented its dark comedy but the others not really. Also your point about Kratos didn't talk about this that in Valhalla so it isn't canon No. There r many things he doesn't talk about, that doesn't make them non canon.
this criticism against Valhalla is just unjust... because of the fact that, it's meant to serve as an allegory or a testament against Kratos that he is coming to accept and not making the boat captain some 'sympathetic spew' that you're (and this video in regards to Zesty) criticising Valhalla for...
and they didn't 'change' for the simple fact of having Kratos be shaped by the circumstances that he was already given and shaped by which leads to Kratos choosing... Kratos was shown to face regret, guilt as well as being capable of saving a human that was about to be gone right in front of him in Ascension, Kratos chose the opportunity to the circumstance that he was given by at that moment and chose to save that person in a last moment and quick decision...
@@godzillazfriction It's not unjust AT ALL, whatever bla bla allegory you are claiming, Kratos has done many things that can be used to make him "accept" things. Didn't need to use a running joke and turn it into some sympathetic nonsense. Why couldn't they have used that Poseidon's Princess act for his "acceptance" too gruesome for the new fans I guess?
@@godzillazfriction So? Kratos shows the ability to save someone through another development, then does another development and throws people under a mechanism that did you forget about that?
@@HitmanHimself tf do you mean 'deEvElOpmEnT' it isn't DEVELOPMENT when the characterisation of Kratos has already been set accordingly to not have some sort of 'change' based on the events that happens throughout the games chronologically... you sped turd
The boat captain stuff they inserted in ragnarok was questionable enough, but all the stuff Týr spews about how Kratos was actually really really protecting his homeland from very bad invaders is far worse, imo. Kratos was selfish and was going to die, and to not die he sold his soul which lead to murdering his family. Not sure why would insert the rest almost 20 years latter. Again, granted, you can just says this is Týr's prespective to help Kratos forgive himself. Which is own can of worms, but there's that.
Santa Monica are the real villains. They created and wrote kratos for who he was. They should have been the final boss in God of war 3 not Zeus, who was a victim of said game developers 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Really appreciate your videos, very entertaining 😁
Wow, I never thought that it was “Greek” dark comedy, noice Zesty. By the way, my first GoW 1 NUR+ video has been uploaded, watch whenever you can/feel like it.
Was pretty sure kratos killing posiden wife is show how far he has fallen remember kratos fills bad that people scream and run away him in the first game now he just casually place kill without anymore focus
Wait. So I'm complaining about the boat captain being taken seriously. And now you're asking who asked for me to... complain? So if nobody is complaining, I shouldn't complain? SMH TBH FAM.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 you just sounded like you found an eureka moment that you thought most people would agree when it is really just a niche opnion lol, that's what I mean
Based video, Zesty, agree with every word 100%. These moments are "comic reliefs" of the old games and is one of the many reasons why i fell in love with this series. Like, even the boat captain scene alone was enough to fell for it, but they didn't stop doing it up until the Ascension i think, and i love it. Btw, i think Pirithous is also a humour one, 'cause he asks you to free him and offers his bow in reward, and Kratos is like: «Naah, fam, ima take it myself».
I see what you mean by dark comedy and yes we can interpret it as such But how i always saw it is a bit different I see it with the idea that this are gods we are talking about here the wouldnt really care about mortal lifes Its likes a human walking he wouldnt even consider if he is stepping on an ant Thats how gods in god of war see it Mortals are just toys we dont care about Thats why i dont really see it as out of character At the very least is in god of war 1 where he wasnt yet a god but he was still far more then just a man He already was in a league of himself where he wouldnt consider mortal lifes he took and only see them as a mean to an end
I laughed the first time I saw the way the princess die I laughed my ass off because I played all the gow games prior to 3 so i was accustomed to kratos killing mortals because he can and love it. Unfortunately as my boi big vee said, these f---i----l----t--h---y casuals only played gow 3 so when they see the princess die they don’t get the reference.
I don't think greek tragedies have humour in them, that's why greek comedy and tragicomedy exist Poseidon's princess isn't a joke but the boat captain, now there I agree, he's funny and taking him seriously is lame
I think they're trying to make kratos from anti hero to a hero?. If what I think is true it will be a big shift in kratos personality overall and I really wouldn't like this. Kratos isn't supposed to care about what would happen to average joe by the consequences of his actions.
Strongly agree with your points. SSM seems hellbent on trying to make kratos some politically right person when he was just a dude. It’s very out of character
how is it 'out of character' why tf did you have to bring im mumble-jumble 'pOliTicS' and using brainrotten terms such as 'pOliTiCaLlY rIgHt' to how apparently SSM is hellbent on trying to do that with Kratos...
@@godzillazfrictionby politically right I’m referring to them trying to “fix” the things he did when they were never supposed to be taken seriously like zesty says in the video. Kratos has gone from being this badass to trying to feel sorry for the things he did when that was never the point, it’s so cringe to see kratos behave like this now
@@aadipie if that's 'badass' then fair play to you but don't go on a misrepresented consensus based around the fact to what Zesty was discussing and how you equate that onto your 'criticisms' against Kratos in Valhalla because of what you perceived from the video against the notion of 'Kratos trying to feel sorry for the things that he did' despite that's not what Valhalla is about, it's about ACCEPTING and not trying to 'fix' his past, it was about accepting his past as a means to how it is what it is and there's no point in dwelling on how Kratos was shaped by the circumstances that he was given and to him choosing in the end that, Kratos is so deeply hurt by because of what Kratos 'chose' which made Kratos feel hurt and hating his past in the end but that wasn't the end to it in actuality... Zesty's baselined argument was was about how 'Dark Comedy' that acts as a running gag in the GoW games, where Zesty deems it as not being taken seriously at all and not actually having it happened, and shouldn't be acknowledged as being 'canon' but instead be a thing that is nothing more than a 'gag' which Zesty made a point to which alludes to how a the devs need to remind you that 'game is game and nothing more than a harry potter book' when that's not the right way to look at it from an outlook on different perspectives based around your main baselined argument, that Zesty holds an issue with the boat captain being fully acknowledged because he was just supposed to be (deemed) as nothing more than a 'running gag' to fit Zesty's argument of for the sake of 'Dark Comedy' and how that (mis)translates towards Zesty's issues with Valhalla and how what a game needs you remind you... Zesty is only serving his argument because of his perception that plays as a false fallacy especially when he holds contrived standings on what's not 'Dark Comedy' and what is (deemed) as 'Dark Comedy' which serves a point about how it equala down to being nothing more than a running gag and plays a dark comedic effect for the sake of it based on what Zesty perceives to be actually true that is stemmed from his baselined argument...
Imma tell you, its literally like real life cuz in past generations, people enjoyed dark comedy (still do) and didn’t get that offensive but as times progress imo people started getting too emotional and offended about almost everything and I don’t need to explain it. It’s like in past people didn’t care much about the word r*t*rd but now if u say, ur almost cancelled and people bring your past actions too even if they weren’t offensive at that time.
Yeah, I see what you mean. The album of the year in 2001 was an album full of racial F bombs and a bunch of other words that would get the artist cancelles nowadays. The world have changed.
Very interesting. I live in south africa and with God of War 3. You see the princess ' nude breasts and you see Kratos tip helios head in all it's gory detail. Did they censor your version?
The Thing is about The Dark Comedy in GOW is that They were at the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time like when Kratos use them and when he's done with them he's like Get the f*** away now by killing them it's funny in a way bc it happens out of nowhere and the Devolpers make trophies as jokes.
just some advice, why don't you use your knowledge and develop your own game, of course, it will not be an AAA game, but an indie game is possible with Open source tools that we have in current time.
they're are using the boat captain as a character development for kratos. are u that dense? give tbe boat captain a rest will ya and stop making fun of him. thats how you imply it right?
the thing is the old games they weren't taken them selves seriously they were just games to entertain the players. of course they have great stories and all but main goal was entertainment. the new gams not jut god of war they're trying to give you a life lessons
Some people are getting the point of this video wrong. Points like:
-He needed them to progress
-He wasn't innocent
-What do you mean it's out of character!?
- B- but the novels!
I'm aware of all these points but these are not the point of the video. It's the way the murders are _treated_ is what I'm talking about. Kratos "needed" the Princess (he could've lifted the gate)? Okay. Fine. It's still treated and played in dark comedy fashion.
Kratos needed all the victims in the video above. That doesn't change anything, and it especially is not the point of the video.
There's also the whole "Kratos regrets what he did to the boat captain. It's character depth" that I don't quite agree with. It's all a matter of taste. I personally don't find it a good thing in Valhalla that they made the boat captain situation serious and weight holding.
Something that's always been a joke and a running gag, being turned into some serious thing all of a sudden doesn't click with me and that's where _I_ stand on the boat captain subject. You like a running gag turned into a serious manner arc? That's you.
I think it's at least interesting to try and turn the tables on the running gag, making it in a serious tone all of a sudden. But also i think they might do this just to close this theme and never mention him again.
@@CoolSaver It is ultimately up to them how they wanna treat their property. I'm just a guy with an opinion on the matter. _I_ hate it being taken seriously.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 tbf GoW3 already took it kinda seriously. I mean, the way his note is written always makes me feel bad for the guy. All his other entrances do not, at least not this much.
And here, i think they intentionally gave him so much attention and even sort of apology from Kratos to put this joke to rest. I think you'll agree, after everything said about him in Valhalla, making fun of him again will be a bit weird and inappropriate. It was a great gag though, i'm gonna miss this lad (if my thoughts are correct).
I heard somewhere Zestos, that Kratos and his ship crew where heading to Athens, but the boat captain refused or someshit like that, and the boat captain had a section of the ship with a bunch of slaves. So the reason why Krate killed Pimp captain was because he was a bad man and he took the key to save the slaves?? I might just saying a whole bunch of nonsense, but still, it’s interesting.
@@HajjDoDo that's from gow novels.
"Kratos, why did you kill these innocent people?"
Kratos: "I saw something running at me and I accidentally pressed Square."
Important note: most people seem to completely miss the detail that the boat captain has a bunch of slave women in his room, trapped from inside as in he locked them in.
And in the novelization of the first game it's explicitly said that the boat is a slave trade boat.
The BOAT CAPTAIN isn't innocent he's supposed to be a trash person where you shouldn't feel bad for!
Yes. The main point is still that it's treated as dark comedy.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Of course, it is a typical comedic moment of the terrible person getting what they deserve.
Btw love your videos, especially the petition for remastering the classics. Keep up the good work!
It should also be said that the Boat captain is a barbarian. And we know what the relationship between Kratos and Barbarians is like.
The novels aren't really canon, they're secondary-canon or something like that but not fully canon
Zesty once again proving that he understands God of War as a whole and how it works better than most people. Very interesting take right here!
not really... remember that video about how Zesty invalidated Kratos' character in GoW III
Zesty kinda regretted making that video, i saw him comment it if you by New.
@@legendaryboi1226 damn, didn't know that...
The final insult to the boat captain, deny he that he existed. The joke that keeps giving.
Treating the Boat Captain seriously is part of the Greek Tragedy. Having the running gag become serious is part of the running gag and Kratos develops more as a bonus.
Is that so? Greek tragicomedies end with them being taken seriously and them having weight?
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Yeah, alot of them do.... especially with Athena, Zeus, Hera, & Artemis, Apollo, Haephastus & Ares too.
It's a given for Greek myths as with
When Hera birthed Haephaestus he was so ulgy she dropped off Mount Olympus.
( The Origins Of Haephaestus)
Zeus randomly kills his pregnant wife by transforming into himself
(The Birth Of Dionysus)
Artemis cursing a man for accindently stumbling upon her bathing in a public forest
(Real Greek Myth)
Hera murdering every wife & child of Zeus' affairs and concubines.
(An Actual Greek Gag taken serious)
@@TheTrueTyrannosaurusRex Oh. Interesting. Although the way these turn into something serious are a bit different in the approach. I guess these are origin stories.
But thanks. Didn't know a lot of these.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Oh, no it makes sense it is a greek tradition to tease at the olympians and their pride within each myth or a play it's popular.
But not very well know amongst foreigners.
@@ExtremeGameplays1wow, i didn't even know that but do you understand now considering OP, was basically talking about what my argument was trying to 'refute' your baselined argument that was served my many points that you've made, but OP simplified it much better than mine since i was trying to elaborate...
still liked the video despite all of this, and im sorry about the 'gaslight' thing that i was discussing about since, you didn't really gaslight and instead reiterated what the points you were making in the video...
Would God of War 3 Kratos drop Gamer word on discord.
GAYMAH WORD? Pewdiepie bridge moment for Kratos? Can't be!
@@ExtremeGameplays1PewDiePie is my wife’s boyfriend
Well he is Greek ...
Kratos is a famous racist
kratos is literally black he can professionally say the word
Smashing that NPC into the wall is still absolutely hilarious
5:51 “You are a bug and deserve to be crushed like one”!!🤣
Pretty sure the Captain imprisoned women in his ship
Yes. That's not the point. Let's say he's not innocent.
The point is how the scene is treated.
@@ExtremeGameplays1Its actually important.
Valhalla completely ignores this
@@newhybrid101 Well, Kratos didn't knew this when heet him die in the Hydra
15:66 i like how you said "as i grow older"
Zesty only hearted that comment because the time doesnt even exist 💀
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@@destinyup1710
Humour is prevelant in every piece of media, it's just expressed differently.
God of War is not resident evil or devil may cry, it's not gonna make you haha with cheesy one liners, it's about the tone of the game.
Bayonetta's humour is expressed with over the top insane shit on screen, Gears of War's humour is expressed through self-aware dialogues, dead space's humour is expressed in a similar way to god of war's dark humour, by irrelevant NPCs just dying in a comical way that has no effect on the character or story.
Whether it clicks with you or not is a different subject, but its nature is not debatable, and the boat captain is, imo, the best god of war joke, ain't no way I'm taking him seriously 💀
Brilliant. You know what game has awesome humor? Time Splitters. Future perfect in particular. The whole character selection screen in local multiplayer is humor.
@@kiraqueen0 OHHHH I REMEMBER THAT PS2 CLASSIC😭
Humour is top tier !
The fact that he used an innocent woman to hold a gate got crushed to death then immediately showed concerned towards Pandora made me laugh
Love the way you censor shit now, the zooming in instead of the annoying blur is an actual art
Oh yeaah, good point, i noticed it too
If you mean the Helios head cutting that was exactly from the Japanese version that zesty played on a Livestream not too long ago.
@@Th5Relaxing No I meant gow1's flashbacks
11:02 I think Kratos was a Captain at that time. After the pact with Ares, he became a General.
This is how im thinking about god of war all the time but i never knew how to explain it to my friends
I dont think the Poseidon's princess thing was supposed to be comedy, all of gow tropthies have jokes in them, I believe they were just trying to make Kratos make continuously awful things (i dont know why but I'm pretty sure that's the intention, the devs even said Hera's death scene was supposed to be a QTE but changed their minds because it would be too awful)
Great video though, and i do agree with the overall sentiment that these moments are simply jokes and not to be taken as part of the story or as character development
and yeah the dark comedy in these games are very underappreciated, and i think the sex mini games fall into that category too, I've seen some say that they're misogynistic, i completely disagree and think they're hilarious especially the one in ghost of sparta
Keep up the good work Zesty 🤍
I remember playing GoS for the first time with my brother, and then this mini-game happened, honestly, we were laughing
I agree with the points. Great video
I initially read that as "I disagree with the points. Great video"
@@MrWright lol
12:02 He's the filthy Frank of the Greek pantheon lmao that one killed me 😂
4:08 I disagree with the boat captain part I agree all of them are not serious but the captain is a special case he is supposed to show the world when introducing this series and it’s protagonist back in 2005 that Kratos is no hero he is not your typical action hero you always play as he is an antihero
Great take man !
dark odyssey at the end of the video/outro goes hard
I see no problems with boat captain being treated seriously because I think it just aknowledges the joke,making it funny again
Boat captain returns next game as Ra from egypt mythology.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 haha,I wish
And what?! Killing poseidon’s Princess was the most satisfying thing ever
One of my most early memories is playing gow2 with my uncle and it was the part where kratos grabs a Spartan soldier and puts him in the machine that leads you to the Cerberus type beast. I remember my uncle dying of laughter,he had found it hilarious so i knew that most of this “unacceptable” stuff was just dark comedy and was never meant to be taken seriously
The reason these gags are on every gow are cause of fan service and I like it .But l don't like that these funny gags were taken seriously as you said on gow valhalla. Great video!! Thanks for analysing this cool topic!!
The thing is the mentioning about the boat captain in Valhalla is the continuation of the gag
When Kratos mention him I instantly giggle cuz I remember how we always stumble upon him
I mean what about Kratos joining Mortal Kombat? It doesn't even makes any sense considering Kratos
*Casual racism and discord server* The definition of dark humour
the boat cap didn't brought for justify what kratos did to him he brought for fan services
I haven't finished the video yet but my biggest issue with the boat captain isn't that SMS wants us to take his deaths seriously, it's that everyone likes to throw up the novelization of God Of War and point out he was human trafficking the women Kratos failed to save.
Boat Captain was meant to be a joke, nothing else.
i dont think that Kratos was there to save the women or the ppl that were there and if he was there, i don't think Kratos cared about the fact that the Captain was a human trafficker or perhaps he didn't even know that he was the human trafficker...
but to minimise the boat captain to just being a 'joke' doesn't invalidate the whole notion of Kratos' character and the GoW games in general with Kratos killing and using ppl that get in his way...
@@godzillazfriction Personally I never cared about the boat captain so I always thought of him as a joke so I never cared about his being due to the fact that I never saw the novelizations as canon.
If you want to explain why the boat captain isn't just a joke, I'd truly love to hear it if you're willing.
@@BezddDakota the Boat Captain is meant to serve as an allegory or a testament against Kratos' cruelty and violence against those who became a victim of that against Kratos, but the reason why it's the boat captain and not the others, (especially Poseidons Princess) is because of the fact that the Boat Captain was constantly the victim of Kratos compared to the rest, this is why he's the one that gets touched upon since he's the long-running one in the GoW series and perhaps SSM saw the 'criticisms' in regards to Poseidons Princess' death, that ppl held exceptions by because she is a 'female' and wife/s** sl**e, trust me... that's the whole notion where ppl think SSM went 'too far' and in regards to Zesty, it's apparently 'out of character' for Kratos and with that pointed out,
in Valhalla, Kratos is coming to accept for what he has done and coming to terms with himself but for some reason, Zesty criticises this because of the contrived standings that he has in this video...
@@godzillazfriction >Out of character
Did you literally miss two whole segments where I talk about how Kratos was a war criminal who killed innocents and all that jazz? Like, back to back clips of me saying Kratos was a murdered.
You got the whole 'out of character' subject wrong. It's not "out of character" for Kratos to kill innocents. You're missing the point.
The boat captain's situation is pretty simple. I don't know what's there to not understand.
I hate how they turned it into a serious subject matter. That's it. Man was always a joke and no amount of novels will unjoke him. A joke and a running gag for every GoW game. Got turned into a serious tale of Kratos "wronging" somebody. Simple as that.
i hope one of the developers see this to take some notes next game
I love this type of comedy😂
It's happening guys , he's getting insane😂❤
1:53 the what?
The boat captain being canonised is so unnecessary, it was literally the best joke through all gows that included him😐
>the last of us part 2
A fucking joke of a story, you could make a story like that in any game where you kill people, its just so fucking dumb.
Uncharted >>>>>>> tlou
Hey, about that Princess episode, i wanted to ask something. As i replayed the Remastered version of the game, i've herad Kratos saying "GO!" as the gear crushed her. Was it always there? I don't remember it at all. I think they might've added this line to kinda make this scene not that bad (it's still bad though, cause now Kratos is not just cruel (as he always been), but also dumb).
I played it on ps3 recently and he says Go and Move in separate times you are prompted to tell her as such
@@LadyOfTheEdits no, that i remember, it's when you're pushing her towards the mechanism. I was talking about the specific ONE line which played exactly the moment before she dies.
@@CoolSaver oh then I don't know
@@CoolSaver also I haven't been reading a lot of his comments. Forgive my lack of observation
@@CoolSaverYeah, I also hear it on the Remastered. Don't know about PS3. Imma have to watch my JP walkthrough to confirm.
Poseidon bride wasn't dark comedy.
It was just the writer reminding the audience that Kratos is the villains of the story. It easy forget when you having fun killing god and the scene goes directly to view to remind them Kratos is still insane.
The game establishes and reminds us that Kratos is a villain 50 different ways, both prior AND after the princess incident. Even the trophy is joking about it. It is out of character no matter how you look at it.
@@ExtremeGameplays1The game synopsis actually confirms Kratos has lost his sanity in GoW3.
Its unknown why this happened but it seems to be tied to learning that Zeus was his father and responsible for literally everything wrong in his life,and what happened to Deimos and his mother etc.
You can see the camera focusing on his eyes after Athena dies,that was the moment he broke.
hey your videos is right@@ExtremeGameplays1
@@ExtremeGameplays1i dont understand how it's exactly 'out of character' for Kratos just because it plays dark comedic effect especially in regards to the trophy which hints on SA Poseidons wife...
labelling Kratos or reminding that Kratos is a 'vIlLaIn' is a very one-noted and sheltered way of looking at things in regards to how Kratos is...
the guy loves violence but hates for the things that Kratos himself caused by Kratos' bloodlust and power and it's why he's very lenient on not causing innocent deaths that get in his way and even saves one because of the circumstances that was given by Kratos in that moment, and in a last moment decision... Kratos saved 1 innocent life because he was very close to Kratos (if that same thing happened in Chains of Olympus, Kratos wouldn't care at all if that innocent died right in front of him and wouldn't care at all to save him), it really doesn't make sense how you hold Kratos at a pedestal for labelling Kratos 'out of character' simply because he used a human being in which case, the human being was a s@x sl@ve for Poseidon and was a female for that matter but of course it has to be 'out of character' for Kratos and plays just for dark comedic effect despite Kratos not caring about the lives he takes, especially when they get in his way and in this instance was a puzzle solve that Kratos uses throughout many GoW games...
@@ExtremeGameplays1imo the whole Poseidon's bride sequence has a slow buildup for a bloody punchline, you spend up saving her and moving her from quite some time, you can even read how Poseidon apologized to her, and at first glance you don't know what real intentions kratos has, there must be a reason for kratos to do a translator quest, then she just becomes a door stopper
How did you get Poseidon’s princess to have clothes
It's the japanese port of the game.
Forget the boat captain guys. The new running gag is Birgir.
Who?
@@ExtremeGameplays1that one dude who is part of the vanaheim squad. He was a traveller formerly.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 Exactly
@@_tmaa_ Who?
Bro dropped a vid 🔥🔥
nice vid
I'm a crazy mofo, so I'm the only one who found it funny back in the day
It might not look like it, but the Boat Captain was the true hero of God of War the entire time. Someday he will return and get his revenge on Kratos.
I'm sorry for the Poseidon Princess
It's funny how Poseidon's woman got obliterated into pieces, it's extraordinary.. it's not funny, but Its absolutely extreme, and that's funny
The boat captain was never meant to be taken seriously. If you watch the dev commentary for GOW (2005), David Jaffe mentions how they were planning to have a Tinkerbell-esque character who would act as a tutorial of sorts for the first level. She would then be suddenly and brutally torn apart by the undead legionnaires. That's a perfect example of black humour.
GOW 3 is where the series, in my opinion, really started to go overboard to the point where it felt distasteful. And that's not just in regards to the dark comedy. Nearly everything in that game had been made as over-the-top as possible, which meant the violence had been elevated to a level that the previous entries made sure not to reach.
GOW 1 and 2, while brutal and often dark in tone, still had a level of class which made it so that a wider audience could still be interested in playing those games. GOW 3, though the most successful out of the Greek games by far, veered hard into edgelord territory and tainted the perception of GOW in the public sphere.
Now, with GOW 4 and Ragnarok, you could argue that the brutality has been toned down too much as a response to how a lot people perceived GOW 3. There needs to be that balance again.
He did it for the vine
Kratos would kill lollies in vr garries mode
Finally Someone who actually had the same point as me . Thank you Zesty . Even tho ngl I always laugh at that princess scene just for the pure brutality of it 👀
You monstah.
What a good video.
I think the trophy was actually removed in the remaster version, was only in the original ps3 version.
Its not an out of character moment at all Zesty, Its totally in character, whenever Kratos found someone he could use make his path just a little easier he did
Shio Captain was definitely a running gag and dark comedy, and i didn't like how they made him some sympathetic crying story in Valhalla.
And it's just one thing that has bothered me, multiple things they tired to change the narrative around or thr devs simply don't understand how the old games portrayed certain things as many of the old devs aren't there replaced by new ones.
Poseidon princess wasn't a dark comedy at all, never found any humor in it.
Killing thr Athenian soldier, or Boat captain they was its presented its dark comedy but the others not really.
Also your point about Kratos didn't talk about this that in Valhalla so it isn't canon No.
There r many things he doesn't talk about, that doesn't make them non canon.
this criticism against Valhalla is just unjust... because of the fact that, it's meant to serve as an allegory or a testament against Kratos that he is coming to accept and not making the boat captain some 'sympathetic spew' that you're (and this video in regards to Zesty) criticising Valhalla for...
and they didn't 'change' for the simple fact of having Kratos be shaped by the circumstances that he was already given and shaped by which leads to Kratos choosing...
Kratos was shown to face regret, guilt as well as being capable of saving a human that was about to be gone right in front of him in Ascension, Kratos chose the opportunity to the circumstance that he was given by at that moment and chose to save that person in a last moment and quick decision...
@@godzillazfriction It's not unjust AT ALL, whatever bla bla allegory you are claiming, Kratos has done many things that can be used to make him "accept" things.
Didn't need to use a running joke and turn it into some sympathetic nonsense.
Why couldn't they have used that Poseidon's Princess act for his "acceptance" too gruesome for the new fans I guess?
@@godzillazfriction So?
Kratos shows the ability to save someone through another development, then does another development and throws people under a mechanism that did you forget about that?
@@HitmanHimself tf do you mean 'deEvElOpmEnT' it isn't DEVELOPMENT when the characterisation of Kratos has already been set accordingly to not have some sort of 'change' based on the events that happens throughout the games chronologically... you sped turd
See the boat captain in valhalla i find it a lil funny. "He follows me wherever i go" which he's not wrong thats why i found it funny
Yep the poor boat captain man😂 he was always appearing before kratos🥲🌝
Poseidon's princess' death is more traumatizing than funny.
The only thing I found funny was her massive jiggle physics.
The boat captain stuff they inserted in ragnarok was questionable enough, but all the stuff Týr spews about how Kratos was actually really really protecting his homeland from very bad invaders is far worse, imo. Kratos was selfish and was going to die, and to not die he sold his soul which lead to murdering his family. Not sure why would insert the rest almost 20 years latter.
Again, granted, you can just says this is Týr's prespective to help Kratos forgive himself. Which is own can of worms, but there's that.
I guess Tyr was trying to find the good side out of that phase of Kratos' life. Psychologically analyzing it and finding the good in what he did.
Sweet Baby Inc might have a hand in this
Santa Monica are the real villains. They created and wrote kratos for who he was. They should have been the final boss in God of war 3 not Zeus, who was a victim of said game developers 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Really appreciate your videos, very entertaining 😁
You're onto something...
Wow, I never thought that it was “Greek” dark comedy, noice Zesty. By the way, my first GoW 1 NUR+ video has been uploaded, watch whenever you can/feel like it.
Great news.
@@MrWright Is it okay if you watch it and review my wrongs and rights, would like to know what you have to say, then improve.
This whole video doesn't change anything 😂
My whole channel changes nothing.
Dope stuff
Love you zesty
Was pretty sure kratos killing posiden wife is show how far he has fallen remember kratos fills bad that people scream and run away him in the first game now he just casually place kill without anymore focus
9:23 ... you seem in denial Zesty
Hes been spitting vids
this whole video is zesty gaslighting himself
Eren activists and Zesty's videos go hand in hand.
yo new vid
4:12 I think the question goes for you as well, who asked? Literally nobody was complaining
Wait.
So I'm complaining about the boat captain being taken seriously.
And now you're asking who asked for me to... complain?
So if nobody is complaining, I shouldn't complain? SMH TBH FAM.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 you just sounded like you found an eureka moment that you thought most people would agree when it is really just a niche opnion lol, that's what I mean
Based video, Zesty, agree with every word 100%. These moments are "comic reliefs" of the old games and is one of the many reasons why i fell in love with this series. Like, even the boat captain scene alone was enough to fell for it, but they didn't stop doing it up until the Ascension i think, and i love it.
Btw, i think Pirithous is also a humour one, 'cause he asks you to free him and offers his bow in reward, and Kratos is like: «Naah, fam, ima take it myself».
It's the greek games being faithful to the source material.
I see what you mean by dark comedy and yes we can interpret it as such
But how i always saw it is a bit different
I see it with the idea that this are gods we are talking about here the wouldnt really care about mortal lifes
Its likes a human walking he wouldnt even consider if he is stepping on an ant
Thats how gods in god of war see it
Mortals are just toys we dont care about
Thats why i dont really see it as out of character
At the very least is in god of war 1 where he wasnt yet a god but he was still far more then just a man
He already was in a league of himself where he wouldnt consider mortal lifes he took and only see them as a mean to an end
Boat captain: GOW community, ACKNOWLEDGE ME!!!☝️
I laughed the first time I saw the way the princess die I laughed my ass off because I played all the gow games prior to 3 so i was accustomed to kratos killing mortals because he can and love it. Unfortunately as my boi big vee said, these f---i----l----t--h---y casuals only played gow 3 so when they see the princess die they don’t get the reference.
I don't think greek tragedies have humour in them, that's why greek comedy and tragicomedy exist
Poseidon's princess isn't a joke but the boat captain, now there I agree, he's funny and taking him seriously is lame
I think they're trying to make kratos from anti hero to a hero?. If what I think is true it will be a big shift in kratos personality overall and I really wouldn't like this. Kratos isn't supposed to care about what would happen to average joe by the consequences of his actions.
Strongly agree with your points. SSM seems hellbent on trying to make kratos some politically right person when he was just a dude. It’s very out of character
how is it 'out of character' why tf did you have to bring im mumble-jumble 'pOliTicS' and using brainrotten terms such as 'pOliTiCaLlY rIgHt' to how apparently SSM is hellbent on trying to do that with Kratos...
It's not out of character lol, I agree that boat captain was a dark comedy and running gag but not other points.
@@godzillazfrictionby politically right I’m referring to them trying to “fix” the things he did when they were never supposed to be taken seriously like zesty says in the video. Kratos has gone from being this badass to trying to feel sorry for the things he did when that was never the point, it’s so cringe to see kratos behave like this now
@@aadipie if that's 'badass' then fair play to you but don't go on a misrepresented consensus based around the fact to what Zesty was discussing and how you equate that onto your 'criticisms' against Kratos in Valhalla because of what you perceived from the video against the notion of 'Kratos trying to feel sorry for the things that he did' despite that's not what Valhalla is about, it's about ACCEPTING and not trying to 'fix' his past, it was about accepting his past as a means to how it is what it is and there's no point in dwelling on how Kratos was shaped by the circumstances that he was given and to him choosing in the end that, Kratos is so deeply hurt by because of what Kratos 'chose' which made Kratos feel hurt and hating his past in the end but that wasn't the end to it in actuality...
Zesty's baselined argument was was about how 'Dark Comedy' that acts as a running gag in the GoW games, where Zesty deems it as not being taken seriously at all and not actually having it happened, and shouldn't be acknowledged as being 'canon' but instead be a thing that is nothing more than a 'gag' which Zesty made a point to which alludes to how a the devs need to remind you that 'game is game and nothing more than a harry potter book' when that's not the right way to look at it from an outlook on different perspectives based around your main baselined argument, that Zesty holds an issue with the boat captain being fully acknowledged because he was just supposed to be (deemed) as nothing more than a 'running gag' to fit Zesty's argument of for the sake of 'Dark Comedy' and how that (mis)translates towards Zesty's issues with Valhalla and how what a game needs you remind you...
Zesty is only serving his argument because of his perception that plays as a false fallacy especially when he holds contrived standings on what's not 'Dark Comedy' and what is (deemed) as 'Dark Comedy' which serves a point about how it equala down to being nothing more than a running gag and plays a dark comedic effect for the sake of it based on what Zesty perceives to be actually true that is stemmed from his baselined argument...
Grow tf up@@aadipie
What did you mean IT is funny😂
Nicely explained 👍🏻
Imma tell you, its literally like real life cuz in past generations, people enjoyed dark comedy (still do) and didn’t get that offensive but as times progress imo people started getting too emotional and offended about almost everything and I don’t need to explain it. It’s like in past people didn’t care much about the word r*t*rd but now if u say, ur almost cancelled and people bring your past actions too even if they weren’t offensive at that time.
I might be wrong a little, but not completely.
Yeah, I see what you mean. The album of the year in 2001 was an album full of racial F bombs and a bunch of other words that would get the artist cancelles nowadays. The world have changed.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 indeed. With it GOW too.
Zerestus
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What did Kanye do?
Very interesting. I live in south africa and with God of War 3. You see the princess ' nude breasts and you see Kratos tip helios head in all it's gory detail. Did they censor your version?
Oh no. The clip you're seeing is in the japanese God of War port. It has a lot of censorship.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 ohhhhhh that's interesting
The Thing is about The Dark Comedy in GOW is that They were at the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time like when Kratos use them and when he's done with them he's like Get the f*** away now by killing them it's funny in a way bc it happens out of nowhere and the Devolpers make trophies as jokes.
>dark comedy in Gears
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Past zesty stupid zesty 😂
just some advice, why don't you use your knowledge and develop your own game, of course, it will not be an AAA game, but an indie game is possible with Open source tools that we have in current time.
No. Requires too much dedication and time. My dedication lies elsewhere.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 I understand
Day 27 of asking gow 1 OHKO
There is always a little xristos zimnas for that
they're are using the boat captain as a character development for kratos. are u that dense? give tbe boat captain a rest will ya and stop making fun of him. thats how you imply it right?
A character that was a joke all along. Suddenly got turned into a deep character that really affected Kratos.
That's my critique.
@@ExtremeGameplays1 to shallow of a critique to me. 😒
Okay psycho
@@jakedge3 They called me the Kurdish Psycho.
Second🤓🤓☝🏻
the thing is the old games they weren't taken them selves seriously they were just games to entertain the players. of course they have great stories and all but main goal was entertainment. the new gams not jut god of war they're trying to give you a life lessons
does anyone knows the name of the song in 15:20 ?
God of War 2 - Dark Odyssey