This is the video about Chuck and the problem he faced Dating a Married Filipina and Dealing with the Husband ruclips.net/video/Z2EaboC2n_g/видео.html In the Philippines, adultery is a criminal offense under Article 333 of the Revised Penal Code. If convicted, both the married woman and her male partner can face imprisonment ranging from two years, four months, and one day to SIX years. This penalty applies to each act of adultery committed. It's important to note that adultery is considered a private crime, meaning only the offended spouse can initiate legal action against the offenders.
@@mikesphilippineretirement well i know you just mentioned the stuff about the divorce and everything else. You said you want sure on something so i just that's the latest on divorce law.
Good advice. More free and clear Filipina's over there than you can shake a stick at. You are not there to complicate your life, you are there to get away from that.
Hey!!a please read this and pass on! I am dealing with this now!. It's called VAWC when a man abandons his family. If he wants to extort you for adultery, you have your girlfriend prosecute him for Violence Against Women and Children. VAWC is defined (loosely) as abandonment of financial, emotional, physical, support. It's a much worse crime and restitution. Did he teach his son to play basketball? No? Guilty! Etc. Etc. Deadbeat dad's here have that threat against them, that's why they don't pursue other men sleeping with their wives. Pass this on please. We did our own legal research, then confirmed it with several lawyers and hired one for protection and had the ex served! Is it blackmail? As you so cleverly asked? Nope, just a mutual understanding!! So never pay a f'n dime to the scumbag!
I donnoo about that bro, been here?😂😂 Just kidding..if course not. But that Elliot guy that's now mist like dead thought a mediocre muslim girl was worth more than 7 yrs in jail. It cost him his life.
@ronfesta771 Hmmm, risk 7 years in a Phillipines jail, or 7 years married to a western woman that will take your kids, turn them against you, and take more than half your shit, That's a tough one! From what I've seen, Phillipino jails are more squalid than a US prison. But they have many more freedoms and seem safer and more relaxed. Families can come and go and stay for meals, etc. Some low-level centers don't even lock the main gate! After all, you're on an island. Where are you gonna go? I think the show Locked Up Abroad has a story of a white woman in for drug smuggling, which under Duterte could have been an instant death sentence. It's hot and dirty, but it's not as repressive as a state/federal penitentiary. The YT channel World Zoom documents his detention experience. It was worse than a regular PH prison in some ways and better in others. The worst thing here is the miserable justice system and the fact you have to bribe everyone for every little thing, including judges, just to get any process. Notice I didn't say "Due Process," as that doesn't really exist here for the most part, at least not without bribe money.
There are about 118 million people who live in the Philippines. If you subtract for too young, too old, married and or otherwise not a woman you are interested in, that still leaves millions to choose from. Why bring problems into your life if you don’t have to?
Yeah but I found out she is married and I'm sticking around. Long story I've posted elsewhere here. But you are correct in that we both wish we would have done the CENOMAR sooner. Then we could have had it annulled by now.
@michaelpettit9706 OK. That's your decision, sir. Annulments can take up to 6 years and could cost you 200k pesos or more from what I understand. It depends. Good luck, and I wish both of you all the best and a happy and prosperous future. 👍
Yes they can be expensive and timely for a generic Annulment. However in cases of fraud, severe abuse, underage marriage, it can take as little as 6 months. We recieved quotes of anywhere from P80k - P300k. The farther the lawyer is from the Venue the more expensive. Also the backlog of the courts in that jurisdiction is the main factor for time. If the Filipina moves to an area with less backlog the process will go faster, especially if the lawyer graduated law school with the current judge. Connections and Venue are everything here. But yes, it's a tedious process. As a side note, every time the divorce referendum is brought up it gets closer to approval. The main opposition is the Catholic Church, which has enormous, but dwindling power here. Legalization of divorce will speed things up. After all, as it currently stands, Annulment is just divorce by another name, in many cases.
@michaelpettit9706 OK, sounds good. And it sounds like you did your research. Thanks for the update. I agree. It would be so much better if they would legalize divorce in this country. Just look at how many couples are separated for a long time because of physical and mental abuse or the husband running off with another filipina.
Couple of points here: 1. Why would you want to be with a woman who hid her marital status from you from the beginning? What else might she be hiding? 2. Just because the husband might be bluffing legally, he might not just let it go- Chuck might get the old tandem motorcycle treatment. Chuck better think real hard here, remember what happened to Eastman...
@@mikesphilippineretirement I think not. At it's core, Eastman was abducted because of the situation he put himself in . This is only different because nothing has happened to him-- yet. And hopefully nothing will.
@kevinperry7743 but did he know that separated is still married in the Philippines...and thats illegal to have relationships with married women in the Philippines....or he was in 'love' and overlooked all of that?
Chuck can counteroffer the husband with: 1. Family Code of the Philippines (Executive Order No. 209) Article 194 defines support as including everything essential for sustenance, dwelling, clothing, medical attendance, education, and transportation, in line with the family’s financial capacity. Article 195 obligates parents to provide support to their legitimate, illegitimate, and adopted children. Article 196 ensures that the duty to provide support exists whether the parents are married or not, and this responsibility extends even if the parents are separated. 2. Republic Act No. 9262 (Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004) This law includes economic abuse, which can occur when a father fails to provide financial support for his children. A mother can file a case under this law if the father neglects his obligation. 3. Revised Penal Code Article 349 penalizes parents who abandon their children without justification. If a husband neglects his duty to support his children, he may be held criminally liable under certain circumstances.
Wow! Truly unbelievable, that in a country with so many women to choose from, Chuck doubles-down and digs himself a hole so big that he may never escape from it. That's way too much risk for too little reward! Neither Chuck's girlfriend or her family were fully transparent with him about her marital status. Why would he want to be connected to a woman and family who openly deceived him? If they will deceive him about something as important as that, just imagine what else they will lie about! If there were just one person in her entire family with the tiniest shred of decency, they would have tapped him on the shoulder and took him aside and said, "Chuck, she's a married woman." But they didn't do that! And why? Because whether he knows it or not, Chuck is going to be their meal ticket. There is a high probability that they are all working together and playing the long game on poor ole gullible Chuck. And even if Chuck's girlfriend is actually legit and tries to protect him, someone in that sleezy family will try to extort him. Eventually, Chuck will be extorted for all he's worth and then cast aside like a dirty rag the minute a bigger fish comes swimming by. And last but not least, just image how complicated Chuck's life will be if his girlfriend gets pregnant! Like Mike said, "Run Chuck! RUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!"
Some people can't help themselves, get involved in ridiculous drama and a potentially dangerous situation..no woman is worth all that headache! You play the game, you face the consequences.
Let's be real? Oscar Wilde was a notorious homosexual involved with NUMEROUS men long before it became legal. Oscar Wilde is the favorite classical writer of all homosexuals everywhere. Oscar Wilde did not believe in men being with women. He persuaded men to try homosexuality out and ruined many lives back then, laughing about the chaos he left behind. For a homosexual, there is not greater win than seducing a man who is married to a woman. MAYBE, let's not use any quotes from the single most famous private person for immoral behavior in world history???
@cmscms123456 Grow up? Your foolishness is showing. Sexuality, contrary to the propaganda, is CENTRAL to worldview. 1. A man who loves his wife & children is motivated to work hard to provide for them. Through his family, wealth may be built over generations. 2. A man who eschews family life choosing instead to buy toys & take trips is an endless consumer, a slave to the system. He works to spend. He builds nothing tgat lasts and nobody remembers him 20yrs after his death UNLESS he was a popular entertainer. 3. A man who enjoys using young women then discarding them, leaves a wake of regret, sadness & loneliness In many women. 4. Broken families multiply poverty & crime 70 fold. 5. People whose worldview causes them to despise normal society often work to undermine it, delighting in the destruction. (Oscar W) Not all homosexuals delight in destruction. (Most appear to prefer being a part of society, actually). I've known some deeply hurt by childhood trauma & riddled w mental illnesses. They so wished for fatherly live they turned to men as lovers, literally! I've known some females who, while they had serious issues, they were able to function normally in society -mostly. I greatly respected one who raised her son (from grape) as carefully as she could, ensuring there was a straight man in their life who gave much male influence to the boy. Another, became my friend after I supported her vs unjust accusations from a Christian girl who had been assigned as her roommate. I carefully guarded another all through Afghanistan, only to see her send her brains to the ceiling of a hotel room after we got back. Until that moment, she'd fit in well most of the time. We won't get into the insanity of telling a retiree w 4 grown children, 3 grandchildren and a new bride (who can't wait for her own children) to "grow up" despite his success in business, education & life to "grow up." Bc that would be petty, right? Let's instead keep the emphasis upon FACTS, ok? Little known facts? 1. The highest suicide rates in USA are in the trans community, also tge highest medical expenses per capita, and the shortest life expectancies. 2. The highest domestic violence rates are actually not man on woman or even man on man, but woman on woman. 3. Suicide rates for married straight men skrocket after failure in business, loss of their marriage or loss of a job, bc they perceive that as loss of purpose & shame for not being able to care for their family. Yet, among the successfully employed married straight men, this is the lowest demographic for suicide. 4.. Suicide rates among lower end homosexual men is complicated. It is officially approximately the same as divorced men & jobless men. But experts insist it is vastly higher & clamor for resources (deaf ears). They say 2/3 of homosexual suicides are listed as drug overdoses instead, for political reasons. Despite my psych degree, that isn't my field. I focus on young adults + family issues. While there I'd some overlap, I must listen to those who specifically service those communities.
Mike.....ooof....this is a tough one. I watched the first video and I thought he was wrong then and now he's making matters worse. You are spot on about separation. She's still married. Ethically and morally, he's in the wrong, but it's his life. He needs to know that It really doesn't cost a lot of money to file charges in the Philippines, so just cutting and running isn't a good thing. Especially since it would place a clearance hold on his exit visa should he try to leave the Philippines quickly. Seems to me that he is just going deeper down the rabbit hole.
Exactly! Even if her husband can't afford a lawyer, there are actually some very low cost or no cost legal services available in the Philippines. The Public Attorney's Office (PAO) being one of them. The filing fee can even be waived if the plaintiff is indigent. It's possible that a complaint could be filed for nothing other than a few pesos to pay someone to type up a boilerplate complaint. And even if that complaint was totally bogus, it would still place Chuck on a legal hold and deny him an exit clearance. They could even arrest Chuck the next time he appears to renew his tourist visa and hold him until a judge grants bail. Yes, a rabbit hole that is completely not worth it!
Why would you retire to the Philippines to find peace only to decide to deal with a married woman? I would not trust anything in a third-world country, you are the bad guy regardless in the eyes of the law, so avoid breaking any law.
@@mikesphilippineretirement There aren't women in a men's prisons, which is why men who go there for the women need to walk the straight and narrow. Staying away from the gray areas of the law will make it easier to continue to meet women. Unfortunately some expats hear the words 'mabye nothing bad will happen' and for some reason they hear "you don't need to worry about it" but hey we are all adults.
Reality is... these dudes aren't retiring in the Philippines for peace and enlightenment. They go there for women...and at times get burned in the process.
Why in the world would anyone want to be with a married woman? For that matter, if the woman is dating another man, why would you cross that line and steal his girlfriend? It's all about having morals, you either have them or you don't. There are millions of single girls in the Philippines, why would you want to complicate your life and mess with a married woman?
If she's married and he's not with her, then that's the only red flag you need to know. Even if he was a terrible husband, she married him, knowing he was no good to begin with.
You get a CENOMAR a certificate of no marriage from the PSA Philippine Statistical Authority. Ask your girlfriend to produce this document. That will stop her in her tracks big time. If she does produce the CENOMAR, ask for her passport to match the names up.
@@Gregory-Masovutch you are correct, i told my now wife to produce a cenomar before i ever came to visit her in the Philippines. She showed me her cenomar, passport, Philippines id, lol 😂 it took a load off of my mind. We dated 3 years and been married for 2 years now.
All the drama and problems aside, I disagree it is morally wrong. I see it as the government is immoral for denying divorce from bad marriages. The religious guidelines are also not morally sound. It’s ridiculous 🤨 So many tens of thousands of women suffer because of the lack of divorce and are stuck with no future in miserable existence.
So you have 2 choices. Ask if married and move on if she is, Or don't ask and have the ignorance defense. But unless someone's recording the question and answer, I would think it's still your word against the snitches.
As an atheist and a Humanist, I see marriage as a civil contract between 2 ppl. If the contract states a "closed marriage" or an "exclusive relationship" and it is an ACTIVE relationship, I am NOT going to help someone else break their contract with someone else. I honor my contracts and expect others to do the same. Even from a purely tactical view, it is insanity to date a married woman in the Philippines, ESPECIALLY if there is no separation agreement in writing stating that they can see other ppl. Divorce does not exist in the Philippines, though separation and annulment does. The Philippines is a jus sanguis nation, and blood and descent are very important to their culture and we need to respect that as guests in their nation.
There has been some recent discussion in the comments section that a legal separation agreement may allow the parties to see other people. I cannot find any evidence for this. The only thing I have found states that even under legal separation: "any subsequent relationship with another person may lead to criminal charges of concubinage or adultery, depending on the circumstances." In a nutshell, it appears legal separation is only good for allowing the parties to live apart, divide property, and make child support/visitation arrangements. If you have any sources with evidence to the contrary I hope you'll share them with us.
it appears the Philippines is in the process of passing a divorce law. It passed the House and has been filed in the Senate over the summer. the Philippine Senate has only 24 senators. smallest body of members I've ever seen.
B.S. for like "separated in the U.S." The woman has to be LEGALLY separated via a court order. If that woman doesn't show you a court order, get the hell out of Dodge...
I totally agree Mike except on not asking if they are married... we did a video called ScamProof that talks about insisting on a Cenomar. There is no reason to date a married woman here in the Philippines. At worst you go to prison or get scammed for a lot of money... or you might get used to pay for the annulment which can take a year or more (or even be denied).
I've been visiting the Philippines for over 25 years and never ever had any problems with any of the women there but possibly because I am a Brit.For god's sake get a grip with this complete horseshite.
Many men abandon their wives, move to other countries and get remarried. Meanwhile the filipina is stuck abandoned, raising the kids alone and remain in married status. There is the option of them to get legally separated once they prove that their ex has remarried. This would at least allow them to legally move on with their lives.
CENOMAR! That's the only sure way to know if the woman is actually single 🤔 That location you're recording at could be a mountain stream in almost any place in the western U.S.! I would be very relaxed there!
Is it still wrong if you date a divorced woman in the US (or other western country). Assuming that's not an issue for you, that's an absurd take. Clearly in most cases these women would get a divorce if the PH legal system allowed for that and by pushing a no tolerance policy you're basically condemning them to a sad lonely life. The simply fact is there needs to be divorce in The Philippines and these people (men and women) are caught in a very unfortunate situation and they deserve some compassion.
@@mattclark6482funny how these western men complain about no fault divorces and go to the Philippines and complain that they can't get divorces for women they want to date😂
The first thing i ask them Are you married Do you have a boyfriend Do you have kids Are you over 18 and under 24 Then if she checks all boxes I ask for her name If not Just walk away Wait 10 minutes Youll bump into another and usually better looking than last 😊
Very good video very informative you spell the laws out very well I certainly could be a nightmare scenario and like you said it's best to avoid it. I can see how you can get caught up in something like this by accident or without the proper knowledge maybe someone's not 100% honest with you with their status. I certainly agree it's best to steer clear of situation like that just not worth it. With her status like that chuck will never get any type of permanent Visa, annulment is few and far between probably closer to impossible to get. Thanks for sharing keep the relevant content coming Mike your channel is very informative and I look forward to your videos take care!
😳…..wait, what about a guy from the U.S., gets married to a Filipina - in the Philippines. All legal - paperwork done properly. She then immigrated to the U.S. and eventually gains her U.S. citizenship - married over 10 years. A few years later they get divorced in the U.S. (community property state & all court docs are legit & filed - uncontested - done deal). 🤔….so, is this guy divorced in the U.S., but still legally married to her in the Philippines? Plot twist: After the divorce was completed, she went to San Fran. Philippine Embassy and got her Philippine citizenship back. Now she has dual citizenships.
There is a law in the Philippines that says if the husband does not provide spousal support or child for 7 years, then the couple are legally separated. All Chad needs to do is wait 2 more years. Law also allows a Filipina to sue her husband for the child support and spousal support. Chad could fly back to the USA while he provides her the money to sue her husband. When the case is done, Chad can legally be with her again. I think Chad is doing the right thing if he loves this woman. The husband obviously doesn’t care about his wife or children and is being selfish. Catholics can and do get divorced, even though the church frowns upon it.
Please post your sources for this information. I cannot find anything that supports your claim. I'm not saying it's false, just that I cannot find any evidence whatsoever that what you have said is true. ALL of the information I have found shows that legal separation in the Philippines only allows married persons to live apart, provides for division of property and child support/visitation agreements. Either party can STILL be prosecuted for adultery or concubinage. Chuck can never LEGALLY be with her.
@@jasonjames4254 I got the information from a Barangay employee. The Barangay is the lowest unit of town government that settles disputes between people that live in their Filipino village. They reduce the number of formal legal disputes by mediation between parties.
Americans are an extremely litigious society. Imagine turning 65. Then going to the Philippines ...of all women you get a married woman. You spend a chunk of your retirement money sponsoring a case between two filipinos...etc. For what? Do you realise that by the time the case is done, and the lady has won, another man could even attract her attention...even before while Chuck is in the US, busy sending money. ? Geez. NOT WORTH IT😂
@ Yes, many filipinos don’t take anything to court because they can’t afford to. They mediate through the Barangay instead, figure it out themselves, or get the police involved.
Hi Mike, I have a friend in ph who is dating a women who is separated and her x husband is living with another woman. He says its ok then! I told him what you said, but still.. all the best from Norway 🇧🇻
Theres a woman that i was close to her in the Philippines her husband was dead and when she tried to get his retired benefits she got to know he was already married to another woman before.But the woman was living in Spain and never asked for the pension of à widower.So i told her get a layer to fight that case because you had kids with you're husband and his other woman never made the demand as a widower but she never answered me on that.Thanks Mike for you're videos.Their great.By the way i'm a Canadien from Québec. To be more précise i'm living in a small city called St.Jean sur Richelieu about 25 miles from the U.S.A border.
The husband has a moral and legal obligation to financially support his wife and children….regardless if he abandon her and his children. Thats a major criminal offenss The husband is also a hypocrite for trying to use Philippine law to extort money from a foreigne
Hypocrite or not, and even though he abandoned and failed to support his children, Chuck could STILL be prosecuted under adultery laws. And before her husband could get into any real trouble for abandonment and not paying child support, she must take him to court a win a judgement. Well, we know that didn't happen. So non-payment of child support does not really provide any leverage to keep him out of their lives. The husband still holds a lot of legal cards IF he chooses to pursue them.
Considering the fact that marriage is really no more "traditional" than in the US in the Phils, there's no reason not to have divorce readily available.
Just asking if Mike has I got together with the gal that advent separated for 10 years her kids are in their 30s and the father visits the kids. We’ve traveled many places and all over Asia and I’ve never had a problem. Yeah I didn’t realize all these laws till later, but I’ve lived in the Philippines for many years and I’ve been going there since 79 and he’s never Made a problem and she’s all her Facebook photos. I wanted to retire and buy a property there, but she is still separated by Married so if I bought a piece of property and it’s in her name part of it because you know that issue, he can come up and just claim part of that property or should I just put it in like a lawyers name what should I do?
So I got involved with a married woman And she told me the truth about it he had another woman and he had children with her His mother lived in the girls province actually on my parents land I was aware of the problems She told me that he wouldn’t do anything because she had no other children And if he made trouble it would be bad for him because he had abandoned his wife and 3kids she showed me his facebook page and he had pictures of his new (wife) yes it said that they were married I don’t know if that was true but it said it on his profile So because she was honest and seemed to understand my situation I felt comfortable with it Even staying in the province and meeting the family Every thing she had said seemed to be true we had no issues whatsoever
Still risky BUT.... there is the doctrine of "clean hands" in the Philippines. Basically, the clean hands doctrine means that to pursue an adultery complaint in court, the petitioner (husband) must be an innocent party and has not himself also committed adultery. Still, all of your information about her husband is based on what they have told you. That may or may not be true. You cannot be certain without knowing him directly.
Everything that I have read states that legal separation is only good for allowing the parties to legally live apart, separate property, and provide for child support/visitation/custody. Either party may STILL be prosecuted for concubinage or adultery depending on circumstances.
@@mikesphilippineretirement Well, you've got me there. I personally, have never know one Filipino that has gone to court and gotten a legal separation or pays court ordered child support.
@@rolandmueller7218 but.. introduce the opportunity to cash in on a LOTTO ticket, like a RICH AMERICAN.. suing him... lawyers in the Philippines will go for it.
Interesting.. For men, the equivalent offense is called concubinage. Under Article 334 of the Revised Penal Code, a married man can be charged with concubinage if he keeps a mistress in the conjugal dwelling, cohabits with her under scandalous circumstances, or maintains her in another place... I do hope things work out for Chuck.. he should not give in to the old hubbys blackmail.. I still call it blackmail.. call the guys bluff...
Why would you "call the guys bluff" in a country that CLEARLY has laws that could get you thrown in prison?!? And not just any prison! A dirty nasty Philippine prison that is ran by the inmates themselves, and is so overcrowded that inmates share bunks and fight over rice and fish heads.
@@jasonjames4254 If you break the law in any country there may be a chance of prison.. but you cannot let assholes try to screw you and break up your relationship with the woman you love..
Under the Family Code of the Philippines, both spouses are jointly responsible for the support of the family. This means that the husband and wife are obligated to provide for the family's needs.. so if the husbans gets the wife arrested and thrown in jail.. he will have to take care of the children.. is he willing to do that.. prob not if he hasn't been doing it already since the breakup..
The laws there in the Philippines such as the Executive Order # 209. Well, unfortunately, they aren't enforceable because the vast majority of women are too poor to seek legal help to bring forth charges for dead beat dads who leave for no reason other than to seek another woman, or to escape from having to work hard to support their children. Need money to pay for legal services to go after men for paternity cases, runaway fathers, etc. Need money to pay the police to act on violations of these codes. However, a foreigner has money, or at least access to money (Visa/Mastercard) or ATM withdrawal, and is at higher risk of being charged based on the codes under Executive Order 209.
Chuck's in a win win situation. Why buy the cow, when you get the milk for free. or why buy the milk when you get the cow for free. Everything is a matter of prospective!
Get an attorney to check the civil registration office , if he extract a copy of her civil status it will show her status, single or married and will show children she has
Chuck should just avoid this issue, and let her go. However, if he is going to go this route, maybe he should have just hire the girl as a live in house keeper. Have a contract for keeping the house, pay her for the work, and go forward with that. She would be an employee, she could work anywhere, but she chooses to work at his home. The only issue is that this is a little too late to claim an employee.
I paid £ 5000. ( $ 6,365 ) for my wife to get divorced or annulment. The lawyer stressed it was upto the judge and he cross examined her and she decided to tell the truth and one of the questions he asked was. do you have a foreign boyfriend? and she said yes and was granted a divorce
You pull a CENOMAR. There are two ways to do it. Both require you getting her consent by getting her vitals. If she refuses, run. If she gives you the data you need top get the CENOMAR, get it.
Chuck should find a mechanism that allows him to know if the X files on this matter. It would take months before he'd be stopped at the border. If the X files a petition, Chuck should flee PH ASAP.
The Philippines recently upgraded it's immigration/law enforcement computer systems, so it may no longer be true that it would take months to be stopped from leaving. Chuck has been in the Philippines longer than 6 months and will definitely require an exit clearance before he can depart.
I gave my so called fiance money for a annullment and it cost a lot and takes a long time only to find out she has a boyfriend 20 yr younger. Got to be carefull over there.
Old men traveling thousands of miles to have Hanky- Panky with women who are the same age as their Grand Daughters. Try to wrap your head around that one.
The biggest problem with a married woman is her best friend. One who is also married and now knows you will jump a fence to get in the other field. It snow balls. Just don't do it
There's no divorce in the Philippines so, married or separated-the same applies. Even ex flippina bf's can make a claim or cause you grief-just ask Eastman if he's still alive, of course. I live in puerto galera-stay safe from pepito.
Separated or with kids just avoid at all costs or take a chance if you like. Personally I would never chance it. Get a cenomar before getting involved.
You would need to look at supply and demand. I have lived in the Philippines for the most part since 2016. The majority of foreigners living in the Philippines are with filipinas that are already married. There are dozens of foreigners living in the Philippines with you tube channels. It would be earthshattering if one posted a scan of their marriage license. They won't do it. Why? Hmm go figure. Anyway as far as I know it isn't illegal to date a married woman in the US. Jerry Seinfeld, Joe Biden, and Ray Kroc all dated married women. Eventually the married women they dated divorced their husbands to marry them. Hence it isn't that uncommon. However it is illegal to do that in the Philippines. I think the solution is to avoid women with children and you should be okay.
Watched many channels about this topic, but this first time, I heard anyone cannot be convicted if they did not know she married. Many guest lawyers appearing on other channels never explained this, in fact implied the opposite, really. Mike, I am curious where did you learn you could not be convicted if you didn't know she married?😊😊😊
Wow, well ... like you said, it's up to each and everyone personally. But just to give my opinion, to calling it a bluf, is not the brightest decision he can make. To prosecute and file a case is actually pretty cheap. The defense can become costly. Especially if he scouts for some fundraising with the promise they will also share the profit with the fundraisers ones they win the case or more likely, when they settle the case after he received a notification that a charge has been filed against him. And he will settle the matter because it's getting hot under his feet. To give a notice of prosecution only costs a couple hundreds of pesos. Don't think its more than 5k or so. Either way, they can come up with that money. I wish him the best. It's a personal matter only they can decide about how they move forward with this. But it does not sound relaxed having this always hovering above their heads.
Once a women or girl has a child keep your distance, they are not free at all. The father of the child can put you both in jail. Why you think lots of single moms? They will not sue the Filipino boyfriend but if there is a foreigner in the picture he will have hard time.
that's because foreigners will pay more money to stay out of Jail when overseas. This is because being in Jail as a foreigner is not good in many countries.
This is the video about Chuck and the problem he faced Dating a Married Filipina and Dealing with the Husband ruclips.net/video/Z2EaboC2n_g/видео.html In the Philippines, adultery is a criminal offense under Article 333 of the Revised Penal Code. If convicted, both the married woman and her male partner can face imprisonment ranging from two years, four months, and one day to SIX years.
This penalty applies to each act of adultery committed. It's important to note that adultery is considered a private crime, meaning only the offended spouse can initiate legal action against the offenders.
@@mikesphilippineretirement well i know you just mentioned the stuff about the divorce and everything else. You said you want sure on something so i just that's the latest on divorce law.
@mikesphilippineretirement I just saw fb video of Filipino man 68 with his pregnant filipina wife 20 in hospital
Its Not only foreigners😄
Good advice. More free and clear Filipina's over there than you can shake a stick at. You are not there to complicate your life, you are there to get away from that.
Hey!!a please read this and pass on! I am dealing with this now!. It's called VAWC when a man abandons his family. If he wants to extort you for adultery, you have your girlfriend prosecute him for Violence Against Women and Children. VAWC is defined (loosely) as abandonment of financial, emotional, physical, support. It's a much worse crime and restitution. Did he teach his son to play basketball? No? Guilty! Etc. Etc.
Deadbeat dad's here have that threat against them, that's why they don't pursue other men sleeping with their wives. Pass this on please. We did our own legal research, then confirmed it with several lawyers and hired one for protection and had the ex served! Is it blackmail? As you so cleverly asked? Nope, just a mutual understanding!!
So never pay a f'n dime to the scumbag!
I would not want to lose 7 years of my life in a Filipino jail over a woman.
not sure if we have 7 years left ..🙂
I donnoo about that bro, been here?😂😂
Just kidding..if course not. But that Elliot guy that's now mist like dead thought a mediocre muslim girl was worth more than 7 yrs in jail. It cost him his life.
Me thinketh seven years in a Philippines prison is like a., Western.........life sentance!@!?🤪🤑😉
@ronfesta771 Hmmm, risk 7 years in a Phillipines jail, or 7 years married to a western woman that will take your kids, turn them against you, and take more than half your shit,
That's a tough one!
From what I've seen, Phillipino jails are more squalid than a US prison. But they have many more freedoms and seem safer and more relaxed. Families can come and go and stay for meals, etc. Some low-level centers don't even lock the main gate! After all, you're on an island. Where are you gonna go? I think the show Locked Up Abroad has a story of a white woman in for drug smuggling, which under Duterte could have been an instant death sentence. It's hot and dirty, but it's not as repressive as a state/federal penitentiary.
The YT channel World Zoom documents his detention experience. It was worse than a regular PH prison in some ways and better in others. The worst thing here is the miserable justice system and the fact you have to bribe everyone for every little thing, including judges, just to get any process. Notice I didn't say "Due Process," as that doesn't really exist here for the most part, at least not without bribe money.
Not even 7 seconds
There are about 118 million people who live in the Philippines. If you subtract for too young, too old, married and or otherwise not a woman you are interested in, that still leaves millions to choose from. Why bring problems into your life if you don’t have to?
Well said!
great point
There are over 360 million people in the U.S. and the American w-m-n that are worth your time is very small.
Very true! I'm 66yrs and have had flippina gf's as young as 19yrs.
Idk…. Blinded by lust maybe?
Thanks!
Thanks
Take her to get a CENOMAR if you're in the Philippines. If she refuses to or if you find out through the CENOMAR she is married, then move on.
Yeah but I found out she is married and I'm sticking around. Long story I've posted elsewhere here. But you are correct in that we both wish we would have done the CENOMAR sooner. Then we could have had it annulled by now.
@michaelpettit9706 OK. That's your decision, sir. Annulments can take up to 6 years and could cost you 200k pesos or more from what I understand. It depends.
Good luck, and I wish both of you all the best and a happy and prosperous future. 👍
Yes they can be expensive and timely for a generic Annulment. However in cases of fraud, severe abuse, underage marriage, it can take as little as 6 months. We recieved quotes of anywhere from P80k - P300k.
The farther the lawyer is from the Venue the more expensive. Also the backlog of the courts in that jurisdiction is the main factor for time. If the Filipina moves to an area with less backlog the process will go faster, especially if the lawyer graduated law school with the current judge.
Connections and Venue are everything here.
But yes, it's a tedious process.
As a side note, every time the divorce referendum is brought up it gets closer to approval. The main opposition is the Catholic Church, which has enormous, but dwindling power here.
Legalization of divorce will speed things up. After all, as it currently stands, Annulment is just divorce by another name, in many cases.
Oh and there is already legalized divorce here in the Muslim community. So many citizens are demanding equal rights.
@michaelpettit9706 OK, sounds good. And it sounds like you did your research. Thanks for the update. I agree. It would be so much better if they would legalize divorce in this country. Just look at how many couples are separated for a long time because of physical and mental abuse or the husband running off with another filipina.
To many single ladies in the Philippines to get caught up in the drama of a married woman... Thanks Mike for sharing 👍
You are very welcome Herb
Couple of points here: 1. Why would you want to be with a woman who hid her marital status from you from the beginning? What else might she be hiding? 2. Just because the husband might be bluffing legally, he might not just let it go- Chuck might get the old tandem motorcycle treatment. Chuck better think real hard here, remember what happened to Eastman...
not even close to the same as Mr. Eastman
She told him she was separated. She did not hide it.
@@mikesphilippineretirement I think not. At it's core, Eastman was abducted because of the situation he put himself in . This is only different because nothing has happened to him-- yet. And hopefully nothing will.
@kevinperry7743 but did he know that separated is still married in the Philippines...and thats illegal to have relationships with married women in the Philippines....or he was in 'love' and overlooked all of that?
@@BigBrother04 Where does separated mean anything but married? I think that he probably overlooked it though.
Lovely speaking to you on Saturday morning Mike at T &T-s. Regards Kevin & Lin from NZ..
I wouldve moved on. One thing Chuck shouldn’t do is go back with her to visit her family.
I agree with that
I agree!
Chuck can counteroffer the husband with:
1. Family Code of the Philippines (Executive Order No. 209)
Article 194 defines support as including everything essential for sustenance, dwelling, clothing, medical attendance, education, and transportation, in line with the family’s financial capacity.
Article 195 obligates parents to provide support to their legitimate, illegitimate, and adopted children.
Article 196 ensures that the duty to provide support exists whether the parents are married or not, and this responsibility extends even if the parents are separated.
2. Republic Act No. 9262 (Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004)
This law includes economic abuse, which can occur when a father fails to provide financial support for his children. A mother can file a case under this law if the father neglects his obligation.
3. Revised Penal Code
Article 349 penalizes parents who abandon their children without justification. If a husband neglects his duty to support his children, he may be held criminally liable under certain circumstances.
@@jims146 I was thinking the same thing. Where is the former husband’s financial responsibility to his ex and children in this matter?
sure just that easy...
Wow...that's a lot of legalese to go through. I hope and pray that in my 60s I won't be going through these sorts of litigation....for women 😂
Just curious if you know ANYONE for which this tack has worked and if so, what did it approx. cost?
@@mikesphilippineretirementhaha
Wow! Truly unbelievable, that in a country with so many women to choose from, Chuck doubles-down and digs himself a hole so big that he may never escape from it. That's way too much risk for too little reward! Neither Chuck's girlfriend or her family were fully transparent with him about her marital status. Why would he want to be connected to a woman and family who openly deceived him? If they will deceive him about something as important as that, just imagine what else they will lie about! If there were just one person in her entire family with the tiniest shred of decency, they would have tapped him on the shoulder and took him aside and said, "Chuck, she's a married woman." But they didn't do that! And why? Because whether he knows it or not, Chuck is going to be their meal ticket. There is a high probability that they are all working together and playing the long game on poor ole gullible Chuck. And even if Chuck's girlfriend is actually legit and tries to protect him, someone in that sleezy family will try to extort him. Eventually, Chuck will be extorted for all he's worth and then cast aside like a dirty rag the minute a bigger fish comes swimming by. And last but not least, just image how complicated Chuck's life will be if his girlfriend gets pregnant! Like Mike said, "Run Chuck! RUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!"
his choice...
Unless chuck had a vasectomy! Plus I would pay for a DNA test kit and find out myself without letting her know at first
Some people can't help themselves, get involved in ridiculous drama and a potentially dangerous situation..no woman is worth all that headache! You play the game, you face the consequences.
do the crime do the time
Especially in your 60s...in retirement. For goodness sake😂
Mike you are very helpful. Thanks
Marriage, a misunderstanding between two fools. Oscar Wilde
(marriage) >> "Hun, I love you so much, I want to involve the Government"
Let's be real? Oscar Wilde was a notorious homosexual involved with NUMEROUS men long before it became legal.
Oscar Wilde is the favorite classical writer of all homosexuals everywhere.
Oscar Wilde did not believe in men being with women. He persuaded men to try homosexuality out and ruined many lives back then, laughing about the chaos he left behind.
For a homosexual, there is not greater win than seducing a man who is married to a woman.
MAYBE, let's not use any quotes from the single most famous private person for immoral behavior in world history???
did not know that?
Calm down Frances.
@@davidfisher5140 I probably wouldn't like the same style of shoes that the man wears, that doesnt mean that his insights are interesting... Grow up.
@cmscms123456 Grow up?
Your foolishness is showing.
Sexuality, contrary to the propaganda, is CENTRAL to worldview.
1. A man who loves his wife & children is motivated to work hard to provide for them. Through his family, wealth may be built over generations.
2. A man who eschews family life choosing instead to buy toys & take trips is an endless consumer, a slave to the system. He works to spend. He builds nothing tgat lasts and nobody remembers him 20yrs after his death UNLESS he was a popular entertainer.
3. A man who enjoys using young women then discarding them, leaves a wake of regret, sadness & loneliness In many women.
4. Broken families multiply poverty & crime 70 fold.
5. People whose worldview causes them to despise normal society often work to undermine it, delighting in the destruction.
(Oscar W)
Not all homosexuals delight in destruction. (Most appear to prefer being a part of society, actually). I've known some deeply hurt by childhood trauma & riddled w mental illnesses. They so wished for fatherly live they turned to men as lovers, literally!
I've known some females who, while they had serious issues, they were able to function normally in society -mostly. I greatly respected one who raised her son (from grape) as carefully as she could, ensuring there was a straight man in their life who gave much male influence to the boy. Another, became my friend after I supported her vs unjust accusations from a Christian girl who had been assigned as her roommate.
I carefully guarded another all through Afghanistan, only to see her send her brains to the ceiling of a hotel room after we got back. Until that moment, she'd fit in well most of the time.
We won't get into the insanity of telling a retiree w 4 grown children, 3 grandchildren and a new bride (who can't wait for her own children) to "grow up" despite his success in business, education & life to "grow up." Bc that would be petty, right?
Let's instead keep the emphasis upon FACTS, ok?
Little known facts?
1. The highest suicide rates in USA are in the trans community, also tge highest medical expenses per capita, and the shortest life expectancies.
2. The highest domestic violence rates are actually not man on woman or even man on man, but woman on woman.
3. Suicide rates for married straight men skrocket after failure in business, loss of their marriage or loss of a job, bc they perceive that as loss of purpose & shame for not being able to care for their family. Yet, among the successfully employed married straight men, this is the lowest demographic for suicide.
4.. Suicide rates among lower end homosexual men is complicated. It is officially approximately the same as divorced men & jobless men. But experts insist it is vastly higher & clamor for resources (deaf ears). They say 2/3 of homosexual suicides are listed as drug overdoses instead, for political reasons.
Despite my psych degree, that isn't my field. I focus on young adults + family issues. While there I'd some overlap, I must listen to those who specifically service those communities.
Mike.....ooof....this is a tough one. I watched the first video and I thought he was wrong then and now he's making matters worse. You are spot on about separation. She's still married. Ethically and morally, he's in the wrong, but it's his life. He needs to know that It really doesn't cost a lot of money to file charges in the Philippines, so just cutting and running isn't a good thing. Especially since it would place a clearance hold on his exit visa should he try to leave the Philippines quickly. Seems to me that he is just going deeper down the rabbit hole.
Exactly! Even if her husband can't afford a lawyer, there are actually some very low cost or no cost legal services available in the Philippines. The Public Attorney's Office (PAO) being one of them. The filing fee can even be waived if the plaintiff is indigent. It's possible that a complaint could be filed for nothing other than a few pesos to pay someone to type up a boilerplate complaint. And even if that complaint was totally bogus, it would still place Chuck on a legal hold and deny him an exit clearance. They could even arrest Chuck the next time he appears to renew his tourist visa and hold him until a judge grants bail. Yes, a rabbit hole that is completely not worth it!
thanks for sharing guys
Good advice Mike. Another good video.
thanks John
Why would you retire to the Philippines to find peace only to decide to deal with a married woman? I would not trust anything in a third-world country, you are the bad guy regardless in the eyes of the law, so avoid breaking any law.
many come for just the women
@@mikesphilippineretirement There aren't women in a men's prisons, which is why men who go there for the women need to walk the straight and narrow. Staying away from the gray areas of the law will make it easier to continue to meet women. Unfortunately some expats hear the words 'mabye nothing bad will happen' and for some reason they hear "you don't need to worry about it" but hey we are all adults.
Reality is... these dudes aren't retiring in the Philippines for peace and enlightenment. They go there for women...and at times get burned in the process.
Marriage in The Philippines is FOR LIFE. Its infinite, its absolute. No divorce laws!
That's a beautiful spot.
And really good sound quality too.
Many thanks! It was loud but My new software can reduce the river noise
Why in the world would anyone want to be with a married woman? For that matter, if the woman is dating another man, why would you cross that line and steal his girlfriend? It's all about having morals, you either have them or you don't. There are millions of single girls in the Philippines, why would you want to complicate your life and mess with a married woman?
every man has a choice
If she's married and he's not with her, then that's the only red flag you need to know. Even if he was a terrible husband, she married him, knowing he was no good to begin with.
You get a CENOMAR a certificate of no marriage from the PSA Philippine Statistical Authority. Ask your girlfriend to produce this document. That will stop her in her tracks big time. If she does produce the CENOMAR, ask for her passport to match the names up.
@@Gregory-Masovutch you are correct, i told my now wife to produce a cenomar before i ever came to visit her in the Philippines. She showed me her cenomar, passport, Philippines id, lol 😂 it took a load off of my mind. We dated 3 years and been married for 2 years now.
lucky if she has any ID not just a passport
Passport maybe. Voters ID, Mail ID, or PhilSys card(national ID) would be more likely.
He will always be looking over his shoulder....for to be with his "true" love
that he may
All the drama and problems aside, I disagree it is morally wrong.
I see it as the government is immoral for denying divorce from bad marriages. The religious guidelines are also not morally sound. It’s ridiculous 🤨
So many tens of thousands of women suffer because of the lack of divorce and are stuck with no future in miserable existence.
I would agree ! The church has a lot to answer for with their hold on society & govt! It's medieval ,!!
Absolutely agree! The church even prohibits the use of artificial birth control.
So you have 2 choices. Ask if married and move on if she is, Or don't ask and have the ignorance defense. But unless someone's recording the question and answer, I would think it's still your word against the snitches.
How are they going to hide if Mike just got on RUclips and told the world which island they are staying on???
As an atheist and a Humanist, I see marriage as a civil contract between 2 ppl. If the contract states a "closed marriage" or an "exclusive relationship" and it is an ACTIVE relationship, I am NOT going to help someone else break their contract with someone else. I honor my contracts and expect others to do the same.
Even from a purely tactical view, it is insanity to date a married woman in the Philippines, ESPECIALLY if there is no separation agreement in writing stating that they can see other ppl. Divorce does not exist in the Philippines, though separation and annulment does. The Philippines is a jus sanguis nation, and blood and descent are very important to their culture and we need to respect that as guests in their nation.
good point
There has been some recent discussion in the comments section that a legal separation agreement may allow the parties to see other people. I cannot find any evidence for this. The only thing I have found states that even under legal separation: "any subsequent relationship with another person may lead to criminal charges of concubinage or adultery, depending on the circumstances." In a nutshell, it appears legal separation is only good for allowing the parties to live apart, divide property, and make child support/visitation arrangements. If you have any sources with evidence to the contrary I hope you'll share them with us.
Do they not have marriage licenses in the Phil’s?
yes they do
it appears the Philippines is in the process of passing a divorce law. It passed the House and has been filed in the Senate over the summer.
the Philippine Senate has only 24 senators. smallest body of members I've ever seen.
B.S. for like "separated in the U.S." The woman has to be LEGALLY separated via a court order. If that woman doesn't show you a court order, get the hell out of Dodge...
I totally agree Mike except on not asking if they are married... we did a video called ScamProof that talks about insisting on a Cenomar. There is no reason to date a married woman here in the Philippines. At worst you go to prison or get scammed for a lot of money... or you might get used to pay for the annulment which can take a year or more (or even be denied).
something different, news: Typhoon Pepito is heading right for the philippines.
I've been visiting the Philippines for over 25 years and never ever had any problems with any of the women there but possibly because I am a Brit.For god's sake get a grip with this complete horseshite.
Many men abandon their wives, move to other countries and get remarried. Meanwhile the filipina is stuck abandoned, raising the kids alone and remain in married status. There is the option of them to get legally separated once they prove that their ex has remarried. This would at least allow them to legally move on with their lives.
I wish Chuck had taken your advise . Seven years in prison is serious. 💜
we will see what happens
CENOMAR! That's the only sure way to know if the woman is actually single 🤔
That location you're recording at could be a mountain stream in almost any place in the western U.S.! I would be very relaxed there!
they can be fake
There are fake CENOMARS
Background check her.
It’s wrong to date a married woman….
I think so
Is it still wrong if you date a divorced woman in the US (or other western country). Assuming that's not an issue for you, that's an absurd take. Clearly in most cases these women would get a divorce if the PH legal system allowed for that and by pushing a no tolerance policy you're basically condemning them to a sad lonely life.
The simply fact is there needs to be divorce in The Philippines and these people (men and women) are caught in a very unfortunate situation and they deserve some compassion.
@@mattclark6482funny how these western men complain about no fault divorces and go to the Philippines and complain that they can't get divorces for women they want to date😂
Most women in the Philippines are the boss of the household, just my opinion .
All women are bossy, mostly Asian women
I like it run forest run! Funny
Is there a statute of limitation for laws regarding adultery?
Chuck is playing Russian Roulette with his life!
his life nothing we can do.
The first thing i ask them
Are you married
Do you have a boyfriend
Do you have kids
Are you over 18 and under 24
Then if she checks all boxes
I ask for her name
If not
Just walk away
Wait 10 minutes
Youll bump into another and usually better looking than last
😊
Correct Joe . There are thousands of women here with no children why make things complicated
Don't forget to ask for a CENOMAR.
@peterpoulter1420 👍💯
Sounds like a playboy
@@elitepctech that is a must if you plan on getting serious
Very good video very informative you spell the laws out very well I certainly could be a nightmare scenario and like you said it's best to avoid it. I can see how you can get caught up in something like this by accident or without the proper knowledge maybe someone's not 100% honest with you with their status.
I certainly agree it's best to steer clear of situation like that just not worth it.
With her status like that chuck will never get any type of permanent Visa, annulment is few and far between probably closer to impossible to get.
Thanks for sharing keep the relevant content coming Mike your channel is very informative and I look forward to your videos take care!
😳…..wait, what about a guy from the U.S., gets married to a Filipina - in the Philippines. All legal - paperwork done properly. She then immigrated to the U.S. and eventually gains her U.S. citizenship - married over 10 years. A few years later they get divorced in the U.S. (community property state & all court docs are legit & filed - uncontested - done deal).
🤔….so, is this guy divorced in the U.S., but still legally married to her in the Philippines?
Plot twist: After the divorce was completed, she went to San Fran. Philippine Embassy and got her Philippine citizenship back. Now she has dual citizenships.
There is a law in the Philippines that says if the husband does not provide spousal support or child for 7 years, then the couple are legally separated. All Chad needs to do is wait 2 more years.
Law also allows a Filipina to sue her husband for the child support and spousal support. Chad could fly back to the USA while he provides her the money to sue her husband. When the case is done, Chad can legally be with her again.
I think Chad is doing the right thing if he loves this woman. The husband obviously doesn’t care about his wife or children and is being selfish. Catholics can and do get divorced, even though the church frowns upon it.
Please post your sources for this information. I cannot find anything that supports your claim. I'm not saying it's false, just that I cannot find any evidence whatsoever that what you have said is true. ALL of the information I have found shows that legal separation in the Philippines only allows married persons to live apart, provides for division of property and child support/visitation agreements. Either party can STILL be prosecuted for adultery or concubinage. Chuck can never LEGALLY be with her.
sue someone with no money is not the answer...just wasting time and money
@@jasonjames4254 I got the information from a Barangay employee. The Barangay is the lowest unit of town government that settles disputes between people that live in their Filipino village. They reduce the number of formal legal disputes by mediation between parties.
Americans are an extremely litigious society. Imagine turning 65. Then going to the Philippines ...of all women you get a married woman. You spend a chunk of your retirement money sponsoring a case between two filipinos...etc. For what? Do you realise that by the time the case is done, and the lady has won, another man could even attract her attention...even before while Chuck is in the US, busy sending money. ? Geez. NOT WORTH IT😂
@ Yes, many filipinos don’t take anything to court because they can’t afford to. They mediate through the Barangay instead, figure it out themselves, or get the police involved.
The husband of that lady does not need to have the money for a lawyer, he can just go to the Barangay and they will deal with the matter.....
Poor Chuck, he got fooled😔
Hi Mike, I have a friend in ph who is dating a women who is separated and her x husband is living with another woman. He says its ok then! I told him what you said, but still.. all the best from Norway 🇧🇻
2 wrongs do not make it right
Theres a woman that i was close to her in the Philippines her husband was dead and when she tried to get his retired benefits she got to know he was already married to another woman before.But the woman was living in Spain and never asked for the pension of à widower.So i told her get a layer to fight that case because you had kids with you're husband and his other woman never made the demand as a widower but she never answered me on that.Thanks Mike for you're videos.Their great.By the way i'm a Canadien from Québec. To be more précise i'm living in a small city called St.Jean sur Richelieu about 25 miles from the U.S.A border.
The husband has a moral and legal obligation to financially support his wife and children….regardless if he abandon her and his children.
Thats a major criminal offenss
The husband is also a hypocrite for trying to use Philippine law to extort money from a foreigne
Good point
Hypocrite or not, and even though he abandoned and failed to support his children, Chuck could STILL be prosecuted under adultery laws. And before her husband could get into any real trouble for abandonment and not paying child support, she must take him to court a win a judgement. Well, we know that didn't happen. So non-payment of child support does not really provide any leverage to keep him out of their lives. The husband still holds a lot of legal cards IF he chooses to pursue them.
Big big big no
Thanks for your comment..married women are trouble
Hello Mike, I was wanting to ask if you had medical insurance and if so which company did you choose?
“Don’t file charges and I’ll pay you $500, I just have to go to the airport ATM…….in Pattaya”
Yeah, that’s a good move , tell him you’ll be back with the cash in a couple of days. Then split for your back to the states and laugh it all off😅
Hey Brother Mike
hello whats up
If Chuck meets her minor kids and the ex gets word of it, the ex might use the kid to extort more money.
Exactly! Imagine what would happen to chuck if the husband manipulated one of his children to claim sexual abuse!
@jasonjames4254 doesn't even have to be sexual abuse. Being alone with an unrelated minor is a crime
Considering the fact that marriage is really no more "traditional" than in the US in the Phils, there's no reason not to have divorce readily available.
Just asking if Mike has I got together with the gal that advent separated for 10 years her kids are in their 30s and the father visits the kids. We’ve traveled many places and all over Asia and I’ve never had a problem. Yeah I didn’t realize all these laws till later, but I’ve lived in the Philippines for many years and I’ve been going there since 79 and he’s never Made a problem and she’s all her Facebook photos. I wanted to retire and buy a property there, but she is still separated by Married so if I bought a piece of property and it’s in her name part of it because you know that issue, he can come up and just claim part of that property or should I just put it in like a lawyers name what should I do?
Not everyone is so lucky
Before getting involved with a pina.......get a cenomar(certificate of no marriage). If she won't do it then move on
So I got involved with a married woman
And she told me the truth about it he had another woman and he had children with her
His mother lived in the girls province actually on my parents land
I was aware of the problems
She told me that he wouldn’t do anything because she had no other children
And if he made trouble it would be bad for him because he had abandoned his wife and 3kids she showed me his facebook page and he had pictures of his new (wife) yes it said that they were married I don’t know if that was true but it said it on his profile
So because she was honest and seemed to understand my situation
I felt comfortable with it
Even staying in the province and meeting the family
Every thing she had said seemed to be true we had no issues whatsoever
Still risky BUT.... there is the doctrine of "clean hands" in the Philippines. Basically, the clean hands doctrine means that to pursue an adultery complaint in court, the petitioner (husband) must be an innocent party and has not himself also committed adultery. Still, all of your information about her husband is based on what they have told you. That may or may not be true. You cannot be certain without knowing him directly.
The problem is old men chasing those young girls.
Seems like it’s ok for a married guy to mess around but the woman can’t after a separation, just what I hear is all
Everything that I have read states that legal separation is only good for allowing the parties to legally live apart, separate property, and provide for child support/visitation/custody. Either party may STILL be prosecuted for concubinage or adultery depending on circumstances.
show me someone paying child support who is poor?
@@mikesphilippineretirement Well, you've got me there. I personally, have never know one Filipino that has gone to court and gotten a legal separation or pays court ordered child support.
I would move on....even divorced can be messy if dealing with a bad ex.....I hope it works out for Chuck.
thanks for sharing John
Thats no way to live a life... always hiding and looking over your shoulder. Chuck is dancing with the devil...
love = bad choices
Many Filipinos live the majority their lives separated and could care less.
@@rolandmueller7218 but.. introduce the opportunity to cash in on a LOTTO ticket, like a RICH AMERICAN.. suing him... lawyers in the Philippines will go for it.
There is annulment in the Catholic Church. It cost a lot of money but money is a religion within almost all religions.
thanks for sharing
Interesting.. For men, the equivalent offense is called concubinage. Under Article 334 of the Revised Penal Code, a married man can be charged with concubinage if he keeps a mistress in the conjugal dwelling, cohabits with her under scandalous circumstances, or maintains her in another place... I do hope things work out for Chuck.. he should not give in to the old hubbys blackmail.. I still call it blackmail.. call the guys bluff...
Why would you "call the guys bluff" in a country that CLEARLY has laws that could get you thrown in prison?!? And not just any prison! A dirty nasty Philippine prison that is ran by the inmates themselves, and is so overcrowded that inmates share bunks and fight over rice and fish heads.
how do you know about the prison system?
@@jasonjames4254 If you break the law in any country there may be a chance of prison.. but you cannot let assholes try to screw you and break up your relationship with the woman you love..
Under the Family Code of the Philippines, both spouses are jointly responsible for the support of the family. This means that the husband and wife are obligated to provide for the family's needs.. so if the husbans gets the wife arrested and thrown in jail.. he will have to take care of the children.. is he willing to do that.. prob not if he hasn't been doing it already since the breakup..
@@iliveinDDR 🤣😂😂🤣Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
Chuck should still leave her and start all over again
If the man has to go to Jail so does the Wife , The Law is The Law Period , so it doesn't Matter if its a Rich or Poor Area.
The laws there in the Philippines such as the Executive Order # 209. Well, unfortunately, they aren't enforceable because the vast majority of women are too poor to seek legal help to bring forth charges for dead beat dads who leave for no reason other than to seek another woman, or to escape from having to work hard to support their children. Need money to pay for legal services to go after men for paternity cases, runaway fathers, etc. Need money to pay the police to act on violations of these codes. However, a foreigner has money, or at least access to money (Visa/Mastercard) or ATM withdrawal, and is at higher risk of being charged based on the codes under Executive Order 209.
very true
What if I ask and she lied saying that I’m not married
think about it
Can you go to the attorney to make sure she is single?
I think I would have called the bluff also, but I really can't see that I would have ever been running around with a married woman.
we agree on this one Bruce
'pre-loved', only just run in.... many more miles to go on this model.
Good luck Chuck!
No repercussions for a man who abandons his wife and children?
How about if you found out you are still married and you are seeing some one?
'Man Is King Section' totally contradicts itself....
CENOMAR online...get her to apply as a laugh..if she doesnt want to...run...Love ur vids mate...keep em coming
Chuck's in a win win situation. Why buy the cow, when you get the milk for free. or why buy the milk when you get the cow for free. Everything is a matter of prospective!
Wait, if the husband cheats, it's not adultry?
You explained it well, but still surprising.
welcome to the Philippines
Get an attorney to check the civil registration office , if he extract a copy of her civil status it will show her status, single or married and will show children she has
I actually like this law!. My wife and I were separated, she had an affair...I had to do a DNA test on my son.
sad
Chuck should just avoid this issue, and let her go. However, if he is going to go this route, maybe he should have just hire the girl as a live in house keeper. Have a contract for keeping the house, pay her for the work, and go forward with that. She would be an employee, she could work anywhere, but she chooses to work at his home. The only issue is that this is a little too late to claim an employee.
hmmmm and maid and sex slave?
@@mikesphilippineretirement An employee is not supposed to be a slave...
I think Chuck should just pay the husband 100,000 pesos or 200,000 pesos,,that's it.
thanks for sharing
$3000? What do you pay for bananas, $10?
I paid £ 5000. ( $ 6,365 ) for my wife to get divorced or annulment. The lawyer stressed it was upto the judge and he cross examined her and she decided to tell the truth and one of the questions he asked was. do you have a foreign boyfriend? and she said yes and was granted a divorce
You pull a CENOMAR. There are two ways to do it. Both require you getting her consent by getting her vitals. If she refuses, run. If she gives you the data you need top get the CENOMAR, get it.
Chuck should find a mechanism that allows him to know if the X files on this matter. It would take months before he'd be stopped at the border. If the X files a petition, Chuck should flee PH ASAP.
The Philippines recently upgraded it's immigration/law enforcement computer systems, so it may no longer be true that it would take months to be stopped from leaving. Chuck has been in the Philippines longer than 6 months and will definitely require an exit clearance before he can depart.
Good luck Chuck
The Catholic Church no divorce but they have annulment.
I think that if there's no relationship any more with the husband, there is no moral problem.
Thanks for sharing
Pilipino, pilipino WONDERLAND ! 😅
I gave my so called fiance money for a annullment and it cost a lot and takes a long time only to find out she has a boyfriend 20 yr younger. Got to be carefull over there.
agree with you not right
Old men traveling thousands of miles to have Hanky- Panky with women who are the same age as their Grand Daughters. Try to wrap your head around that one.
The biggest problem with a married woman is her best friend. One who is also married and now knows you will jump a fence to get in the other field. It snow balls. Just don't do it
There's no divorce in the Philippines so, married or separated-the same applies.
Even ex flippina bf's can make a claim or cause you grief-just ask Eastman if he's still alive, of course.
I live in puerto galera-stay safe from pepito.
Separated or with kids just avoid at all costs or take a chance if you like. Personally I would never chance it. Get a cenomar before getting involved.
You would need to look at supply and demand. I have lived in the Philippines for the most part since 2016. The majority of foreigners living in the Philippines are with filipinas that are already married. There are dozens of foreigners living in the Philippines with you tube channels. It would be earthshattering if one posted a scan of their marriage license. They won't
do it. Why? Hmm go figure. Anyway as far as I know it isn't illegal to date a married woman in the US. Jerry Seinfeld, Joe Biden, and Ray Kroc all dated married women. Eventually the married women they dated divorced their husbands to marry them. Hence it isn't that uncommon. However it is illegal to do that in the Philippines. I think the solution is to avoid women with children and you should be okay.
Watched many channels about this topic, but this first time, I heard anyone cannot be convicted if they did not know she married. Many guest lawyers appearing on other channels never explained this, in fact implied the opposite, really. Mike, I am curious where did you learn you could not be convicted if you didn't know she married?😊😊😊
from a lawyer Tony
Wow, well ... like you said, it's up to each and everyone personally. But just to give my opinion, to calling it a bluf, is not the brightest decision he can make.
To prosecute and file a case is actually pretty cheap. The defense can become costly. Especially if he scouts for some fundraising with the promise they will also share the profit with the fundraisers ones they win the case or more likely, when they settle the case after he received a notification that a charge has been filed against him. And he will settle the matter because it's getting hot under his feet.
To give a notice of prosecution only costs a couple hundreds of pesos. Don't think its more than 5k or so. Either way, they can come up with that money.
I wish him the best. It's a personal matter only they can decide about how they move forward with this. But it does not sound relaxed having this always hovering above their heads.
Once a women or girl has a child keep your distance, they are not free at all.
The father of the child can put you both in jail.
Why you think lots of single moms?
They will not sue the Filipino boyfriend but if there is a foreigner in the picture he will have hard time.
that's because foreigners will pay more money to stay out of Jail when overseas.
This is because being in Jail as a foreigner is not good in many countries.