@@bigdaddyroy5382Kevin Dunn definitely knew what was going on that's exactly why he left + many others that are still there knew exactly what was going on like HHH Nick Khan & at least 3 to 4 others knew but they did absolutely nothing
I met her at NYCC'11! She said "you look like a shy one." I said "Pretty girls...don't really talk to me..." She beamed. "AWW! You think I'm pretty! You're so sweet!! THANK YOU!"
I bet that old, sick bastard did terrible things to the Divas. You could see it in their eyes sometimes in promos from back then, I'm talking 2002-2010s. They looked scared or uncomfortable. Now I think we know why.
His life story could def be a trilogy. Part 1. Early life and golden era Part 2. Steroid scandal, attitude era, benoit Part 3. Mediocre era and vinces downfall into depravity
To people who called out Paul and Rene as just being bitter wrestlers who “never made it” and now call out the company, where are you now, they have been calling out this behaviour for years. Keep it up the great work fellas.
I think this is the other way around, the allegations are 10% of It, debra/sable (cant remember which one) said if she wanted do go to court for every incident she would be in court every day If this is what we now in this day and age, imagine what we dont know from the 80s and 90s
I’m glad Bret has lived long enough to see all of this play out with the pendulum of public perception swinging back his way. He never stooped to the level of those around him, instead he moves forward with class and his dignity. Of all the people Vince abused, Bret may be the only one to have had the guts to stand up to him and punch him in the face.
Oof. I love Bret as well but just because he didn’t destroy his body with drugs doesn’t mean he was a paragon of virtue while on the road - if you’ve ever read Bret’s own book you’d know he was a philanderer of a high degree.
@@shanestephens4728 True. But at least he admitted it and made amends. All about maturity. Vince is and forever will be in the denial stage. Even when he's behind bars.
Vince, like all cult leaders, as Paul said, preys on making people think that they can't make it without him. They can't live without him so they'll do anything for him. Ashley was the first one I thought of.
U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said
@@bigdaddyroy5382 well just because she’s dead doesn’t mean anything for what she just said isn’t true it’s going to be proven true, and once it is true Vince gotta suffer the consequences and once he is guilty and get charge for whatever years in prison I hope Paul, London can find some peace and happiness that he doesn’t have to hear that guy doing anything to anybody ever again because he loves that fucking woman with heart she could’ve done so much for her life if she wanted to continue wrestling but it’s too bad that she’s gone now it was all because of this asshole who used her for money and took a vantage of her and treat her like shit and made her to go to work where she was clearly embarrass by the fact that Vince and all those US men raping her and all kinds of shit like that’s just fucked up like the audacity of some of these type of businessman is absolutely disgusting. It’s sickening to watch and I really hope after this Vince will go to hell where he always wanted to be and some of the victims won’t be hearing his name anymore
@@bigdaddyroy5382Ashley had many injuries because they never let her have proper training, she learned on her own and all just a few hours before the show started.
U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said
@@bigdaddyroy5382 You're a f'n joke bro. A girl doesn't top herself from wrestling aches and pains. It's exactly that kind of attitude which causes things like that to happen. Disgusting comment, you should be ashamed.
Art imitates life Vince showed the world who he truly was with his on screen character, and we accepted it. That whole Vince and Trish Story line from 2001 tells a lot in hind sight…
And the rumors of him wanting an incestuous storyline with him and Stephanie. Take away all the allegations, Vince has been showing us he’s a monster on screen for decades.
@@cancelculture9953 Yes bro! that was wild and disrespectful to himself and Steph. For being one of the biggest names in the entertainment industry/ Wrestling Business to being place in the same category as R.Kelly Epstein and the rest of them is sad. But he always played the creep to well!
None of this is surprising to me. If people remember there was a huge sex scandal with Vince and Pat Patterson back in the early 90s with ring boys and dirty ring announcers. It's all finally catching up to Vince and now all them Victim's are getting justice.
Justice for Ashley Marssaro and everyone else. Rest in peace Ashley. Paul is right, it's hard to deal with shit. That is so horrifying that you can barely make sense. It's why predators pray on compromised people. It's horrible.
Be patient. You can't deconstruct Babylon overnight. Brick by brick. Labor intensive. I might not be able to get victims justice...but I might can get them revenge. I told Ryback (and everyone else) over 2 years ago how this game plays out. The machine grinds on. The cogs turn. It is what it is.
Massive respect for Paul for keeping that same energy for all these years. And after hearing what happened with Ashley, I always kept a suspicion for Vince and his inner circle. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and the cloud that hung over Vince was like a California forest fire.
My heart hurts for beautiful Ashley Massaro. She was the first person to come to mind when this came to pass a couple weeks back. Justice for her and her daughter ❤
Absolutely HORRIFIC what happened to Ashley. I never knew Paul dated her... Man, that all must have been so hard on him. I see you brother. I've always said we need justice for her... her story NEEDS to be told, and her soul needs to find peace. Another tragic result of McMahon's disgusting regime. Would be amazing to see signs with that very hashtag start popping up in the crowds... come on people, we can do this... #JUSTICEFORASHLEY
That’s a hard reach on that one and I’m sure most of todays audience don’t even know or care who Ashley was Honestly I don’t remember Ash at all, I just remember her name came up on the Ashley Madison website when it got hacked Other than that I don’t care to get involved in peoples personal lives not my style and plus I don’t care anyway, they deal with their shit I’ll deal with mine
Her death was so sudden we all knew there was a lot more to it than what was alluded. Vince is a pos who would hit on anything female. Ashley was a total babe and was working so hard to break in. Naturally , Vince saw an opportunity there like he sees like so many girls.
This sounds like the new Montreal Screw Job . But now Bret can say ""Vince Screwed Vince"". Vince was brought down not by others Promoters but by himself. True What goes around comes around.
stu hart screwed vince first he was selling stampede to vince but before he got paid he violated the agreement by working with a rival company .. vince never owned stampede from that deal stu went out of business over his own problems he couldn't afford to renew his license 4 years later he ran for 4 years after that all this talk about him not receiving dime makes no sense why would he get paid he didnt sell the company vince backed out of the deal .. its not like vince stole his company vince just decided not to buy it but the way its protrayed as if vincee stole his company and didnt pay him
Yeah, I’ve been haunted by the idea of someone being forced to have sex with Vince and Johnny Ace with one of them saying No means Yes. Horrific stuff.
I think shit is about to hit the fan for WWE. if Vince is going down, he will drag everybody else with him and i think grim days are ahead for the company in terms of image because there's no way his inner circle didn't know about all of this
Not really worth protecting because he has a douche side to him. I get his personal beef with Matt Hardy and Paul has his reasons not to get along with Matt. But there is an old video on YT (from 2010 probably) of Paul slandering, laughing and downright mocking Matt's weakened mental state when Matt spiraled and began using drugs and by then gone to a dark place in his mind. That was absolutely wrong of Paul to display that type of behavior, meanwhile on this channel he expressed support for Jeff Hardy to overcome his demons.
I gotta be completely honest after seeing many others comment to say justice for Ashley Massaro. While it may seem like it, a big part of me is still hurt by her passing. This shit took away a really good person from Earth who I have missed so much nearly the past 5 years. I met her only once but I was close to not meet her at all as I flew to NYC for WrestleCon 6 weeks before her passing to finally meet her. For a while when I was still hurting really bad over her passing, I didn't watch any wrestling. I got back into it partly last year and became a fan of Rhea Ripley. I hope Vince rots in prison and burns in hell! RIP Ashley Massaro!
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
@@philzh7973 I can tell you this much. I went to a RAW show in June of 2005 right before the second season of the Diva Search started. During the live show, they showed some of the contestants. The very second I saw Ashley, I fell in love. Now this shit with Vince. Just making me relive the pain I went through after her passing. I was sad back in 2019 but pissed off now much like on the day after Ashley's passing what did Stephanie McMahon tweet out on her Twitter? she paid tribute to Andre The Giant instead of paying respects to a former employee who just passed. Now I know why!
I can't imagine how betrayed and hurt the wrestlers must feel about these stories coming out now, much less the women who were abused. There is no punishment in this world that's adequate for Vince and Johnny Ace if their behavior truly fits this current lawsuit, which I have no doubt it does.
Well...The Rock makes "jokes" about molesting and eating children, and hes friends with Oprah and her ties to John Of God. Then there are the Missing Maui children....I'm going to guess his wrestlers are just fine. They're all Satanists.
If the Young Bucks had to scrub footage with Marty Scrull due to his situation, how is Netflix going to show the New Generation era, the Attitude era or the Ruthless Aggression era with Vince all over the place? None of us realize how big of a mess this will be.
They are not going to scrub any footage, otherwise just don’t post anything up until this point 🤷🏼♂️ unfortunately Vince is also part of history, he is not some dude in pro wrestling world, 80% of what pro wrestling is today, is all because of Vince
8:35 exactly, thanks for understanding how predators pick their victims. These sharks smell vulnerability, innocence, wounding or emotional instability in the water, they know who to target. It's vile.
@@jonathancoleman6482He probably fapped to her in his younger days so that’s why she’s his all time favorite or he’s just telling people what they want to hear
I’ve been saying Ashley Massaro for the last couple of weeks because she was raped and then she committed suicide a few years afterwards and there had to have been something with her in that company, other than an overseas trip and where that happened
I think its beautiful that Renee and Paul London have remained close friends after all these years. They`re both so grounded and refused to be sucked in by the shady WWE backstage mentality
Great insight from Paul on how Ms. Grant was most likely manipulated by someone with more money and power than she's ever known. The kind that can destroy you whether you stay or leave.
You can tell Paul feels bad about all of the shit. There was nothing he could have done and it sucks to see him feel so guilty about it. Paul has been saying Vince,was a pig for years
As a former Connecticut resident in years past, I've heard rumors on Vinny Mac going out with women that is not even his wife, Linda not on a few occasions, but many occasions and I find that pretty shady, knowing damn well he's a married man. Now, decades later, its coming all together but I feel that the victims should of spoke out earlier, but better late than never as the old saying goes.
Ashley seemed like a good person. Justice from her grave. 🙏 The body of truth always floats to the top of the river, no matter how many cinderblocks you use.
@@pendafen7405 For a long while after her passing I didn't watch any wrestling til I felt her spirt or something get to me last year that got me back into watching it partly and I became a Rhea Ripley fan out of it. I feel if Ashley was still alive she would be a fan of Rhea and after hearing Torrie Wilson say she's obsessed with Rhea. I am obsessed with Torrie!
Its amazing how a certain group faces consequences for their actions while those with money are rarely convicted or rarely see any accountability. The haves vs have nots.
No disrespect to any top guys that weren't involved in any of this, I'm not saying anyone doesn't deserve their spots, and I'm not saying you guys had bad careers by any means, but it's noticable in nearly every industry that people with integrity don't get the respect/pay/rank that they deserve
a mentally ill person hurting a mentally ill person isnt any worse then a normal person hurting a normal person .. vince isnt normal if he was id agree with u but the man was raped by his mom and grew up poor then got all the power in the world man is insane it dosent justify it but this man is the way he is for a reason
Poor, poor Ashley. She should still be with us. A sweet soul who deserved none of what happened to her. Evil hypercapitalists have been getting away with this for too long. Paul, Rene & James have clawed back a little bit of my respect for taking this seriously and condemning the perpetrators. Centring the victim(s) would be a good next step.
Wasn't Vince abused as a child by his step-dad? He has never out right talk about sexual abuse but it is believed he was. The abused becomes the abuser. He claimed that one of his stepfathers, Leo Lupton, beat his mother and attacked him when he tried to protect her; he said of the experience, "It is unfortunate that [Lupton] died before I could kill him.
Some psychologists I know, they have theorized that "Most narcissists are victims of narcissists themselves". Which I definitely believe there is some truth to it. No truer words said with "Becoming the man that you swore to destroy!", it's a vicious cycle.
It's crazy to even think of what happened before internet b and social media boomed like it did as to how the environment was in wrestling especially under Vince, scary stuff indeed
Shane has never called his father out, though he's tried to walk away from him at various points. Hard to say how much Shane knew and let slide. His father's crimes aren't on him, though, he just may or may not have abetted them. My hope is that Shane is the good man we want and perceive him to be.
This is what we know about Vince just in recent history: 1. WWE was the only company who didn't cut ties with Saudi Arabia after killing a journalist. 2. WWE was the only corporation that fired people during Covid while having record profits. 3. Vince closed the XFL and stiffed multiple people after the fact from the XFL Vince has always been a garbage person. As far as the prostitutes, I can see Vince telling some of his top talent that he has some girls on retainer that are available to them as a bonus (especially since he never wants to let people leave the office). They probably didn't know how bad he was treating them. It's not like using prostitutes to entertain guests is a rarity among the rich.
@@browserboy1984I wasn't lying or exaggerating, I was hearing some people report on it when it was happening. My mistake is that I never double checked it like I should have.
I never forgot the story you guys told when I heard it a few years ago. It was credible, but I was not sure. I'm sad to hear it's true. Thanks for trying to tell everyone.
I agree with Paul. No one will understand what being “groomed” is or entails, unless they have gone thru it themselves. I was also groomed as a child. Thankfully, it made me a better person and didn’t let it affect me in a negative way as an adult.
I’ve been saying that for years since Owen died. Was he murdered and it was made to look like an accident? All I know is Vinnie Mac is one shady ass bastard. He needs to get his comeuppance. The sooner the better. He’ll definitely be burning in hell when he’s gone. On his grave should be written Rest In Pieces. Or Rot In Purgatory.
I f'n love this podcast. Rene and Paul are so good together. And yes. Rene, Paul and everyone else that has spoken out against their experience with McMahon and company are validated.
"I don't have to prove shit. It will come out." Just wanted to say that Paul is an absalute unequivocal badass. Respect, sir. You seem like a genuinely good dude. 🤘
Good point. If he was willing to cover up (allegedly!) a scandal that he didn’t participate in directly, what would he do (allegedly) with something like this!?
It was well known after the facts have came out. Vince telling people, bragging, showing pics and videos, Johnny Boy as well. Believe me TKO knew pre acquisition about it as well. When you do business in the billions you open every closet and then some
A billionaire who had a weird and messed up childhood especially by his Mom I hear. No excuses for his actions and TKO is gonna have to prepare and find a ways to disassociate the name Vince Mcmahon. I believe there will be more names as Paul London said and this could be a messy future into the making of more years to come. As much HHH in the scrum said lets concentrate on the positive, WWE and the name Mcmahon is for life.
HHH was a fool for claiming ignorance.. everyone knew at that point he was full of shit.. I see why he did it.. but right now, more lies and dishonesty isn't what is needed. Just makes it look like there's more being covered up.
I believe there are many divas from the attitude era who experienced a similar experience. It’s not easy to come out because they all have families, and children. It’s embarrassing and it may ruin family peace. Let’s hope these others are strong enough.
I heard Vince didn't pay stew because Bruce Hart ran a small spot show which Vince considered breach of contract. Still pretty crappy of Vince since it wasn't Stu that ran it.
I couldn't agree more with Paul and Rene. I stopped watching WWE years ago because I couldn't support Vince Mcmahon's shady business dealings. I won't watch until that family is completely gone from the company
I owe him an apology. I was at a house show one night and he was wrestling Big Show. It was a fun match but they fought right in front of me. I was on the barricade and my mom was next to me. Show threw Paul into the barricade and I was like "I can go with it and be kind of limp but that will knock mom down or I can stiff shoulder block him." So I drove my shoulder into his spine. Sorry Paul lol gotta save momma lol.
Can't really have the nostalgia when i see old videos of WWE. Makes me wonder which of my childhood heroes were/mightve been part of these heinous acts.
Развлечения
Kevin Dunn randomly deciding to leave the WWE weeks ago makes a lot of sense now. He was one of Vince's closest allies for decades.
Oh yeah
Nah he left cause eventually his word wouldn't be final and he's made millions might as well get out when u can
Steph left too they all knew what’s coming but HHH Pretended he never read any of it and didn’t know Or Care …
Unrelated. He was losing power and didn’t like it. Not every correlation equals causation
@@bigdaddyroy5382Kevin Dunn definitely knew what was going on that's exactly why he left + many others that are still there knew exactly what was going on like HHH Nick Khan & at least 3 to 4 others knew but they did absolutely nothing
Justice for Ashley Massaro RIP
I met her at NYCC'11! She said "you look like a shy one." I said "Pretty girls...don't really talk to me..." She beamed. "AWW! You think I'm pretty! You're so sweet!! THANK YOU!"
I bet that old, sick bastard did terrible things to the Divas. You could see it in their eyes sometimes in promos from back then, I'm talking 2002-2010s. They looked scared or uncomfortable. Now I think we know why.
@@RedDragonM1 That's nice. I hear she was a really good person.
#justiceforMassaro
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A Dark Side of The Ring episode on Vince would have to be an entire movie.
Vice already came out with a Nine Lives of Vince McMahon documentary at the end of 2022. It was made up almost entirely of Dark Side segments.
It'd be the same length as the entire Avatar movie series
It would be the same length of the whole avengers infinity war
His life story could def be a trilogy.
Part 1. Early life and golden era
Part 2. Steroid scandal, attitude era, benoit
Part 3. Mediocre era and vinces downfall into depravity
More like an entire series.
Shout out to Paul, he called alot of this shit out over a DECADE ago.
The canary in the coalmine, without a doubt. At least he got out alive and well, many like Ashley were not so lucky.
Tell me more please. What should I be looking up on RUclips?
@@srami004 There was a whole slew of High spots shoot videos. Both Just Paul and with Kendrick. All awesome
@@pendafen7405down the rabbit hole I shall go
I remember when she died but she was shortly after my time watching wrestling. Never looked into it
@@Youdoxxikillshort version she was assaulted on one of the tribute to the troops tours and they kept it quiet.
Much respect to Paul for reminding people that unless you been in a situation like this, you have no idea what it's actually like!
I’ve never worked at McDonald’s…
@@CitizenofAucklandSilentAuditsthen you can relate: you have no idea what working at a McDonald’s is actually like.
@TheGOAT-hj6slsinkin? There doin the best they have on like a decade lol
@TheGOAT-hj6sl you can say what you just said in a lot fewer words, "I'm a moron" would have sufficed.
@@JoKiR90FACTS!
Good on Ronda for calling out Bruce for what he is
Shes right but its old news
To people who called out Paul and Rene as just being bitter wrestlers who “never made it” and now call out the company, where are you now, they have been calling out this behaviour for years. Keep it up the great work fellas.
Doesn’t change the fact that they are still bitter and jealous 😊
@TheGOAT-hj6slyou're either gullible or disgusting
@@paulkendrick4153you would be too if you were screwd over or shit on 😅
They do sound bitter especially Paul London
They are just bitter still 😂
If 10% of the allegations are true, this is catastrophic.
World keeps turning.
There's 30+ years of allegations against him. I'm 99,9% sure some of those are true.
I think this is the other way around, the allegations are 10% of It, debra/sable (cant remember which one) said if she wanted do go to court for every incident she would be in court every day
If this is what we now in this day and age, imagine what we dont know from the 80s and 90s
@@al112v4 🤣
Vince had allegations since the 80s he did it
I’m glad Bret has lived long enough to see all of this play out with the pendulum of public perception swinging back his way. He never stooped to the level of those around him, instead he moves forward with class and his dignity. Of all the people Vince abused, Bret may be the only one to have had the guts to stand up to him and punch him in the face.
Nailz 😊
Oof. I love Bret as well but just because he didn’t destroy his body with drugs doesn’t mean he was a paragon of virtue while on the road - if you’ve ever read Bret’s own book you’d know he was a philanderer of a high degree.
@@shanestephens4728 True. But at least he admitted it and made amends. All about maturity. Vince is and forever will be in the denial stage. Even when he's behind bars.
Brett screwed Brett
@@nikobellic8627🤡
Man I miss Ashley, I was her biggest fan. Got to meet her three times. She was such a sweetheart. RIP.
Yeah, She was BEAUTIFUL!
I miss her too
@jessiegreen619 she was a jobber no one miss her she gone for good
Who tf Ashley?
Ashley Massaro. The woman in the thumbnail. Please watch the video. Paul London talks about her on the opening clip.
Im glad to see Paul having Ashley's back...... What she went through was terrible.
R.I.P. Ashley 🤟🏼🤟🏼
What happened to her? The full story. ?
Why wouldnt he?? He loved that women
@@brandondane4777she was raped by US troops while they were doing a show for them overseas. she told Vince and he brushed it off
Vince, like all cult leaders, as Paul said, preys on making people think that they can't make it without him. They can't live without him so they'll do anything for him. Ashley was the first one I thought of.
It makes sense why he gets angry when wrestlers get over without being pushed by him. Case in point ; ZACK RYDER .
The man is truly twisted
@@Hunkzillaman how the buried Zack Ryder...
@@thatgregguyZack screwed Zack... for staying there.
You perfectly described every person that votes Republican or Democrat!!!!
He’s the devil
Justice for Ashley Massaro
U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said
@@bigdaddyroy5382 well just because she’s dead doesn’t mean anything for what she just said isn’t true it’s going to be proven true, and once it is true Vince gotta suffer the consequences and once he is guilty and get charge for whatever years in prison I hope Paul, London can find some peace and happiness that he doesn’t have to hear that guy doing anything to anybody ever again because he loves that fucking woman with heart she could’ve done so much for her life if she wanted to continue wrestling but it’s too bad that she’s gone now it was all because of this asshole who used her for money and took a vantage of her and treat her like shit and made her to go to work where she was clearly embarrass by the fact that Vince and all those US men raping her and all kinds of shit like that’s just fucked up like the audacity of some of these type of businessman is absolutely disgusting. It’s sickening to watch and I really hope after this Vince will go to hell where he always wanted to be and some of the victims won’t be hearing his name anymore
Justice for Vince McMahon
@@bigdaddyroy5382Ashley had many injuries because they never let her have proper training, she learned on her own and all just a few hours before the show started.
@@harijha7560please bathe with your toaster
Paul tried to warn us when he had that smile on his face before Mcmaon got 'blown up'
I know Vince doesn’t have too many years left in this world, but it would be nice if he spent the last of them with some serious consequences
He'll be forgotten
Vince will make it to 120
All I can say is if you have money, the rules are different. The only justice he will see, is possibly street justice.
@@Kittynation589 Unfortunately, his mark on professional wrestling is too big for him to be forgotten.
@@Kittynation589No, He won’t ya’ll will still be talking about him even after he’s in the grave so stop the cap.
Justice for Ashley Massaro !!
U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said
Justice for Vince McMahon
@@harijha7560 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Give me a break more like justice for Ashley Massaro Rita Chatterman & many others
@@bigdaddyroy5382 You're a f'n joke bro. A girl doesn't top herself from wrestling aches and pains. It's exactly that kind of attitude which causes things like that to happen. Disgusting comment, you should be ashamed.
Get the evidence first lol ffs 🤣 😂 🙄 😆
Art imitates life Vince showed the world who he truly was with his on screen character, and we accepted it. That whole Vince and Trish Story line from 2001 tells a lot in hind sight…
And the rumors of him wanting an incestuous storyline with him and Stephanie.
Take away all the allegations, Vince has been showing us he’s a monster on screen for decades.
@@cancelculture9953 Yes bro! that was wild and disrespectful to himself and Steph. For being one of the biggest names in the entertainment industry/ Wrestling Business to being place in the same category as R.Kelly Epstein and the rest of them is sad. But he always played the creep to well!
None of this is surprising to me. If people remember there was a huge sex scandal with Vince and Pat Patterson back in the early 90s with ring boys and dirty ring announcers. It's all finally catching up to Vince and now all them Victim's are getting justice.
not to mention Sable's sexual harassment case in the late 90s
@@Venemofthe888then she came back years later after said harassment
Also Lisa Marie in the 80s ...she had many of claims similar to whats coming out today.
Justice for Ashley Marssaro and everyone else. Rest in peace Ashley. Paul is right, it's hard to deal with shit. That is so horrifying that you can barely make sense. It's why predators pray on compromised people. It's horrible.
The Fact that Bruce Prichard and Michael Hayes are still there is wild to me
Be patient. You can't deconstruct Babylon overnight. Brick by brick. Labor intensive. I might not be able to get victims justice...but I might can get them revenge. I told Ryback (and everyone else) over 2 years ago how this game plays out. The machine grinds on. The cogs turn. It is what it is.
Trust me - the Artful Dodger and Doot-doot-doot are next.
For now. Personally, I can't wait for Michael Hayes to go, he's a racist POS.
Not for long.
I think wwe and tko are going to clean house very soon.
Massive respect for Paul for keeping that same energy for all these years. And after hearing what happened with Ashley, I always kept a suspicion for Vince and his inner circle. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and the cloud that hung over Vince was like a California forest fire.
My heart hurts for beautiful Ashley Massaro. She was the first person to come to mind when this came to pass a couple weeks back. Justice for her and her daughter ❤
This was the most humane analysis of this situation I've heard yet, much respect guys!
Turns out that warrior was right about MANY things historically regarding vince, Hogan and the likes.
He was, and everyone said he was crazy.😂😂😂
@@doolbedolc exactly 💯. The one everyone calls crazy on their time usually becomes the truth teller after they perish. It's always like that.
Absolutely HORRIFIC what happened to Ashley. I never knew Paul dated her... Man, that all must have been so hard on him. I see you brother. I've always said we need justice for her... her story NEEDS to be told, and her soul needs to find peace. Another tragic result of McMahon's disgusting regime.
Would be amazing to see signs with that very hashtag start popping up in the crowds... come on people, we can do this...
#JUSTICEFORASHLEY
That’s a hard reach on that one and I’m sure most of todays audience don’t even know or care who Ashley was
Honestly I don’t remember Ash at all, I just remember her name came up on the Ashley Madison website when it got hacked
Other than that I don’t care to get involved in peoples personal lives not my style and plus I don’t care anyway, they deal with their shit I’ll deal with mine
Her death was so sudden we all knew there was a lot more to it than what was alluded. Vince is a pos who would hit on anything female. Ashley was a total babe and was working so hard to break in. Naturally , Vince saw an opportunity there like he sees like so many girls.
Jesse Ventura tried to form a wrestlers union to protect workers but Hulk Hogan ratted him out to Vince.
omg, Vince did Union Busting?!?!?!?!?! I believe it.
This sounds like the new Montreal Screw Job . But now Bret can say ""Vince Screwed Vince"". Vince was brought down not by others Promoters but by himself. True What goes around comes around.
stu hart screwed vince first he was selling stampede to vince but before he got paid he violated the agreement by working with a rival company .. vince never owned stampede from that deal stu went out of business over his own problems he couldn't afford to renew his license 4 years later he ran for 4 years after that all this talk about him not receiving dime makes no sense why would he get paid he didnt sell the company vince backed out of the deal .. its not like vince stole his company vince just decided not to buy it but the way its protrayed as if vincee stole his company and didnt pay him
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth”
You just don't treat humans like that bro.
Yeah, I’ve been haunted by the idea of someone being forced to have sex with Vince and Johnny Ace with one of them saying No means Yes. Horrific stuff.
I was told by more than one ex-WWF wrestler that Vince's go-to "boy toy" in the early to mid 90's was Tatanka.
I think shit is about to hit the fan for WWE. if Vince is going down, he will drag everybody else with him and i think grim days are ahead for the company in terms of image because there's no way his inner circle didn't know about all of this
Protect Paul London at all costs
LOL he didn't even try to protect Ash.
But what about Matt Hardy? He had to have known too.
@@XavierGage Too bad you weren't there. You obviously would have brought down the powerful billionaire Vince.
Not really worth protecting because he has a douche side to him. I get his personal beef with Matt Hardy and Paul has his reasons not to get along with Matt. But there is an old video on YT (from 2010 probably) of Paul slandering, laughing and downright mocking Matt's weakened mental state when Matt spiraled and began using drugs and by then gone to a dark place in his mind. That was absolutely wrong of Paul to display that type of behavior, meanwhile on this channel he expressed support for Jeff Hardy to overcome his demons.
What happened to being a strong independent woman ? If Vince or anyone else was harassing her or worse, go to the authorities and or quit.
I gotta be completely honest after seeing many others comment to say justice for Ashley Massaro. While it may seem like it, a big part of me is still hurt by her passing. This shit took away a really good person from Earth who I have missed so much nearly the past 5 years. I met her only once but I was close to not meet her at all as I flew to NYC for WrestleCon 6 weeks before her passing to finally meet her. For a while when I was still hurting really bad over her passing, I didn't watch any wrestling. I got back into it partly last year and became a fan of Rhea Ripley. I hope Vince rots in prison and burns in hell! RIP Ashley Massaro!
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.
@@philzh7973 I can tell you this much. I went to a RAW show in June of 2005 right before the second season of the Diva Search started. During the live show, they showed some of the contestants. The very second I saw Ashley, I fell in love. Now this shit with Vince. Just making me relive the pain I went through after her passing. I was sad back in 2019 but pissed off now much like on the day after Ashley's passing what did Stephanie McMahon tweet out on her Twitter? she paid tribute to Andre The Giant instead of paying respects to a former employee who just passed. Now I know why!
You are an emotional wreck, have you talked to your therapist lately?
Gosh, I got goosebumps when he mentioned Ashley… These girls probably went through shit we wont ever even know about
R.I.P Owen Hart. Who’s really surprised here it’s Vince McMahon. I remember Trish stratus on all 4s barking, the live S*x celebration, HLA etc
I can't imagine how betrayed and hurt the wrestlers must feel about these stories coming out now, much less the women who were abused. There is no punishment in this world that's adequate for Vince and Johnny Ace if their behavior truly fits this current lawsuit, which I have no doubt it does.
Define abuse
"Abused" 😂
@@AngryDad. it's the key word apparently 🤣
Abuse? Sexting and telling Vince her availabilities and receiving payments for 3 years.
Well...The Rock makes "jokes" about molesting and eating children, and hes friends with Oprah and her ties to John Of God. Then there are the Missing Maui children....I'm going to guess his wrestlers are just fine. They're all Satanists.
If the Young Bucks had to scrub footage with Marty Scrull due to his situation, how is Netflix going to show the New Generation era, the Attitude era or the Ruthless Aggression era with Vince all over the place? None of us realize how big of a mess this will be.
They are not going to scrub any footage, otherwise just don’t post anything up until this point 🤷🏼♂️ unfortunately Vince is also part of history, he is not some dude in pro wrestling world, 80% of what pro wrestling is today, is all because of Vince
8:35 exactly, thanks for understanding how predators pick their victims. These sharks smell vulnerability, innocence, wounding or emotional instability in the water, they know who to target. It's vile.
I don't get the point. Alot of women just want money and use sex to get it. Why not just use a willing party?
Ashley was one of my favorite wrestlers at the time, super cool on screen personality.
All time how?
@@jonathancoleman6482He probably fapped to her in his younger days so that’s why she’s his all time favorite or he’s just telling people what they want to hear
The NXIVM analogy was spot on
I’ve been saying Ashley Massaro for the last couple of weeks because she was raped and then she committed suicide a few years afterwards and there had to have been something with her in that company, other than an overseas trip and where that happened
I think its beautiful that Renee and Paul London have remained close friends after all these years. They`re both so grounded and refused to be sucked in by the shady WWE backstage mentality
Great insight from Paul on how Ms. Grant was most likely manipulated by someone with more money and power than she's ever known. The kind that can destroy you whether you stay or leave.
You can tell Paul feels bad about all of the shit. There was nothing he could have done and it sucks to see him feel so guilty about it. Paul has been saying Vince,was a pig for years
it makes you wonder if the Ashley girl confided him ...his non verbal reaction indicates he might know more than he's letting on.
As a former Connecticut resident in years past, I've heard rumors on Vinny Mac going out with women that is not even his wife, Linda not on a few occasions, but many occasions and I find that pretty shady, knowing damn well he's a married man. Now, decades later, its coming all together but I feel that the victims should of spoke out earlier, but better late than never as the old saying goes.
Ashley seemed like a good person. Justice from her grave. 🙏 The body of truth always floats to the top of the river, no matter how many cinderblocks you use.
If only Ashley were alive to finally see all these dominoes fall.
Yes, hopefully somewhere her spirit or essence or whatever feels that the truth is finally out and justice may be done.
@@pendafen7405 For a long while after her passing I didn't watch any wrestling til I felt her spirt or something get to me last year that got me back into watching it partly and I became a Rhea Ripley fan out of it. I feel if Ashley was still alive she would be a fan of Rhea and after hearing Torrie Wilson say she's obsessed with Rhea. I am obsessed with Torrie!
Says a lot about undertaker always backing Vince
In the business don't try to cancel someone else
Sure does
I hope ashley massaro gets her justice...
Justice for Ashley Massaro!
Its amazing how a certain group faces consequences for their actions while those with money are rarely convicted or rarely see any accountability. The haves vs have nots.
No disrespect to any top guys that weren't involved in any of this, I'm not saying anyone doesn't deserve their spots, and I'm not saying you guys had bad careers by any means, but it's noticable in nearly every industry that people with integrity don't get the respect/pay/rank that they deserve
You are right. In every industry and in most countries, not only in the US. Integrity, honesty and good deeds tend to be punished.
Well if she did have "mental health" issues. And he took advantage of that. That's even worse for him in a trial setting.
a mentally ill person hurting a mentally ill person isnt any worse then a normal person hurting a normal person .. vince isnt normal if he was id agree with u but the man was raped by his mom and grew up poor then got all the power in the world man is insane it dosent justify it but this man is the way he is for a reason
Poor, poor Ashley. She should still be with us. A sweet soul who deserved none of what happened to her. Evil hypercapitalists have been getting away with this for too long. Paul, Rene & James have clawed back a little bit of my respect for taking this seriously and condemning the perpetrators. Centring the victim(s) would be a good next step.
Commie.
Anyone with power. Including politicians and especially dictators like you wish we had instead. That would be worse.
@@StandWatie1862
@@StandWatie1862 mate I'm literally British, what are you on about.
@@pendafen7405 Yeah I know. Limeys are domesticated creatures and need their bottoms powdered.
Wasn't Vince abused as a child by his step-dad? He has never out right talk about sexual abuse but it is believed he was. The abused becomes the abuser. He claimed that one of his stepfathers, Leo Lupton, beat his mother and attacked him when he tried to protect her; he said of the experience, "It is unfortunate that [Lupton] died before I could kill him.
Vince did an interview with Playboy where he alludes to being sexually abused by his mother. I believe the stepfather was just physically abusive
Some psychologists I know, they have theorized that "Most narcissists are victims of narcissists themselves". Which I definitely believe there is some truth to it. No truer words said with "Becoming the man that you swore to destroy!", it's a vicious cycle.
Nooo.. he was abducted by Aliens.
Get your facts straight
Thats not an excuse for what he has done for decades
@@potter3055 all the allegations against him are false
May the soul of Ashley Massaro find peace.
Justice for Ashley (RIP) and all his other victims!
It's crazy to even think of what happened before internet b and social media boomed like it did as to how the environment was in wrestling especially under Vince, scary stuff indeed
Years ago I heard the Ashley’s allegations, so 1 day I knew there was more that had to come out. RIP Ashley
What a contrast between Vince SR and his son. WOW
Shane has never called his father out, though he's tried to walk away from him at various points. Hard to say how much Shane knew and let slide. His father's crimes aren't on him, though, he just may or may not have abetted them. My hope is that Shane is the good man we want and perceive him to be.
@@pendafen7405who is talking about Shane? Vince Jr. is the POS
@@pendafen7405He's talking about Vincent J. McMahon and Vincent K. McMahon.
Vince Sr always told Vince never get into the ring as a promoter.
If Vince Sr. knew what his son was going to do, he never would've sold the company to him.
This is what we know about Vince just in recent history:
1. WWE was the only company who didn't cut ties with Saudi Arabia after killing a journalist.
2. WWE was the only corporation that fired people during Covid while having record profits.
3. Vince closed the XFL and stiffed multiple people after the fact from the XFL
Vince has always been a garbage person. As far as the prostitutes, I can see Vince telling some of his top talent that he has some girls on retainer that are available to them as a bonus (especially since he never wants to let people leave the office). They probably didn't know how bad he was treating them. It's not like using prostitutes to entertain guests is a rarity among the rich.
No, WWE wasn't the only company to do those things under those circumstances. Complete falsehoods on your part.
@@quentinkaasa47 that’s what I was hearing at the time. Still scumbaggish one way or another.
You don't have to lie or exaggerate to make a point many people already agree with.
@@browserboy1984I wasn't lying or exaggerating, I was hearing some people report on it when it was happening. My mistake is that I never double checked it like I should have.
No business is gonna sanction xxxx country just because some random dude was killed.
Business is all about money.
Capitalism baby!!!!!!!!
Years ago when Vince wanted to play the father of his daughters child in a story line, should have told people enough about Vince Mcweirdo!!!!
Damn Karma truly is a bitch…Vince screwed a lot of people, literally and metaphorically. It is all coming back to haunt him now.
Thank you guys for keeping it real and not marking out like other shows.
RIP ASHLEY MASSARO !
she will... when she gets justice.
your comment is useless @@Buckdawg
I never forgot the story you guys told when I heard it a few years ago. It was credible, but I was not sure. I'm sad to hear it's true. Thanks for trying to tell everyone.
It feels very telling that no one I've heard yet from within the business seems very surprised, nor incredulous
I agree with Paul. No one will understand what being “groomed” is or entails, unless they have gone thru it themselves. I was also groomed as a child. Thankfully, it made me a better person and didn’t let it affect me in a negative way as an adult.
Vince may have some involvement in Owen’s death. It’s possible. 🤔
I’ve been saying that for years since Owen died. Was he murdered and it was made to look like an accident? All I know is Vinnie Mac is one shady ass bastard. He needs to get his comeuppance. The sooner the better. He’ll definitely be burning in hell when he’s gone. On his grave should be written Rest In Pieces. Or Rot In Purgatory.
I f'n love this podcast. Rene and Paul are so good together. And yes. Rene, Paul and everyone else that has spoken out against their experience with McMahon and company are validated.
Ashley was my favorite as a kid her death hit hard. Justice for Ashley
The Trish Stratus Linda McMahon angle just feels wrong now.
Paul. My respect for him grows everyday. Between this and the podcast on Ashley Massaro thanks for speaking out.
Paul gets the last smile hahaha
140K views !!!! The cafe finally getting that exposure
I wonder if someone's gonna surface some dirt on JBL too.
@@TokyoConvertible01 Yes but nothing of this caliber. I hope we get some soon enough to get him in prison
@@artdjesus6267wtf are you talking about?
@@Felix-rv5qm JBL is known for his bullying antics and groping some of the men in shower rooms.
I hope someone takes legal action on him too one day
R.I.P. Ashley
Bless and LOVE for Paul London
"I don't have to prove shit. It will come out."
Just wanted to say that Paul is an absalute unequivocal badass. Respect, sir. You seem like a genuinely good dude. 🤘
its great to see so many people know about the ashley massaro situation
it needs more coverage
If he covered up the ring boy scandal you think he won't try covering this? He's a seedy guy.
Good point. If he was willing to cover up (allegedly!) a scandal that he didn’t participate in directly, what would he do (allegedly) with something like this!?
I love who many guys are like "yea, we all knew". And said nothing
It was well known after the facts have came out. Vince telling people, bragging, showing pics and videos, Johnny Boy as well. Believe me TKO knew pre acquisition about it as well. When you do business in the billions you open every closet and then some
A billionaire who had a weird and messed up childhood especially by his Mom I hear. No excuses for his actions and TKO is gonna have to prepare and find a ways to disassociate the name Vince Mcmahon. I believe there will be more names as Paul London said and this could be a messy future into the making of more years to come. As much HHH in the scrum said lets concentrate on the positive, WWE and the name Mcmahon is for life.
4 Life!
HHH was a fool for claiming ignorance.. everyone knew at that point he was full of shit.. I see why he did it.. but right now, more lies and dishonesty isn't what is needed. Just makes it look like there's more being covered up.
Ashley came across as a sweet heart. Rest in peace to her! 😢
I believe there are many divas from the attitude era who experienced a similar experience. It’s not easy to come out because they all have families, and children. It’s embarrassing and it may ruin family peace. Let’s hope these others are strong enough.
I heard Vince didn't pay stew because Bruce Hart ran a small spot show which Vince considered breach of contract. Still pretty crappy of Vince since it wasn't Stu that ran it.
Anytime I think of Paul London I think of him fully bearded smiling before Vince McMahon got into that exploding limo lol
I couldn't agree more with Paul and Rene. I stopped watching WWE years ago because I couldn't support Vince Mcmahon's shady business dealings. I won't watch until that family is completely gone from the company
Then don't watch. You are not missed
Paul London one of my favorite professional wrestlers.
I owe him an apology. I was at a house show one night and he was wrestling Big Show. It was a fun match but they fought right in front of me. I was on the barricade and my mom was next to me. Show threw Paul into the barricade and I was like "I can go with it and be kind of limp but that will knock mom down or I can stiff shoulder block him." So I drove my shoulder into his spine. Sorry Paul lol gotta save momma lol.
You had to do what you had to do for your mother’s safety.
Good episode boys, these short clips are good as they are straight to the point
Can't really have the nostalgia when i see old videos of WWE. Makes me wonder which of my childhood heroes were/mightve been part of these heinous acts.
RIP to Ashley btw
Vince has wronged so many people, and worse yet, he's got a shit ton of enemies. He's a dead man walking.
vince has to be jailed for the end of his life justice for ashley
Cafe De Rene were the first podcast with a former employee to actually touch this subject imo. Cafe needs more respect for being so candid.
Time always tells the truth and Karma is undefeated!
Time for you boys put on your "For Rita" t-shirts...hop that barricade.....and handle this mess once and for all!
She got paid out for a 2nd time since NY passed that law that allowed her to extend the statue of limitations
@@bigdaddyroy5382Good.
There is no wwe without the McMahons.......now lets call it something else
Tell us everything paul don’t hold back, Paul London is a class act !