This guy was literally the reason I used to watch velocity!!! One of my favourite wrestlers growing up! His run as cruiserweight champion 04-05 was amazing. And of course Londrick 05-08 was phenomenal!
That's being twisted around to make Vince look even worse than he does. His argument is that, just because the fans like something but it puts the performers safety at risk, doesn't mean it should be done, so therefore, it doesn't matter if they like it and he isn't necessarily wrong. I mean, how many pile drivers can you name in the last 15 years? 1 , CM Punk and John Cena and quite frankly, Paul London isn't the star they are. Also, this isn't a new topic either
@@ForeverExtreme 1.9 million viewers when it was 3 million 7 years ago is not a good flex. And live tv is a high commodity. Its paid that not because its good but because of its format.
I feel you paul I'm the same, whenever you stand up for yourself they always say you got a attitude. The more I hear paul the more I see this guy is very much like me. Respect!
@@charlesdgriffith4518 She literally got fired for standing up for what she thought. You can disagree with the decision to do so, but you can't argue she literally did the same thing.
Crazy how these WWE road agents are so spineless and snake like just because they were given a little bit of power. They'll snitch back to Vince and John Laurinaitis over the most trivial shit and potentially ruin any push. Funny how both Finley and Dean are longer with the company, so there's no loyalty to these corporations.
Will never forget the infamous Vince McMahon explosion incident. Paul London just standing there smiling. 😂😂. It was hilarious considering how ludicrous that storyline was. Absolutely ridiculous. I am surprised no one else had the audacity to smile or laugh when Vince was walking backstage.
I heard this led to god eventual firing. So petty man. It’s like that time when Titus O’Neil grabbed McMahon on stage and got punished for it. McMahon way too petty and emotional for his own good.
I sat in the front row at the Royal rumble 2006 one Paul London did the shooting star off the turnbuckle to the outside of the ring and the whole place went insane! We were screaming holy shit and ECW
And that is good example why i undertands vince telling wrestlers to stop doing stuff. If you have a company and on your tv show person does something and people start to chant other companys name
@@darthbigred22 i see your point but i think cause it not a vince's creation then its a No No. I believe if people would chant wwe etc vince would not have any problem
In the past, Paul London has appeared very bitter about his tenure in the WWE. In this interview, he seems a lot more measured describing his past experiences in the company.
Lol they didn’t realize it...? His very first segment was an onscreen with freaking mac Mahon jr & sable... London buried himself through his shenanigans
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 no no. We’re all victims here. I love London don’t get me wrong and i do hate that there are only a few gate keepers in the business even now. However if that were all true he would have gotten more over somewhere else. And dont come to me with his ROH and PWG runs post wwe because he had a few good promos and matches but you have to bring more to the business than that or it will die which is why it did. A lot of moves. Cool. But what else do we remember? I love this guy too i dont mean to talk shit but we gotta be real.
@@kitramseysbrother no you are the one who is the victim. Stop trying to be holier than thou just because your favourite Indy darling never made it big. London is practically what CM Punk is but a failure. I am not categorising myself to be in the same one as you and other smarks as you guys killed the fun for this business just because wrestling must make it a must to be an acrobat. Cry me a river you moany smark. When a wrestler starts to moan about their “work” in the business then they need a new damn hobby then waste their time for losers like you and themselves as London is a loser and was never bankable hell why be bankable on a profession that is getting more lamer and less popular. Know that the general populace does not care about you or the “real fans” as they will simply mock you for liking it in this day in age. Seeing a greying fool like London still being bitter after 20 years is pathetic and it shows he had no aspirations in life aside from wrecking his body “for work ethic” Wrestling is pathetic
@@kitramseysbrother London was a prodigious talent. He was freak of nature. Everyone thought he & Kendrick were gonna be the next Hart/Michaels for a reason; they were that freaking good
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 stop fooling yourself into thinking they were going to be the next somebody when they were nobodies bud. Live in the real world not your made up smark fantasy land. Both guys you mentioned are nothing but nobodies. Sad but true but not my problem as smarks like you and that guy you replied to need some brain cells to understand just the most basic thing in the sport.
LOL wow, I swear all the late Gen X and older Millennials got WASTED by WWE. You guys were a good tag team, real potential, all wasted. So many guys around that time too from MVP, Mr. Kennedy, etc all held back so we could get more Stupid Cena, RKO, and Hornswaggle. Bleh! I can only imagine if that had been my career choice, not saying we all haven't gotten screwed by the Boomers in some way or the other, but VKM really doesn't "get it".
Yeah, I feel that those born between 1978 and 1984 got absolutely shafted by ol' Vinnie Mac. Sure, you have guys like Punk and Danielson from that time range who got their time with the belt, but they fought FAR harder than they should have in order to get it. Orton was the only example I can think of from that time frame who got the royal treatment from Vince. He should not have been the only one, though.
@@mba321I think what it is, the early Generation Xers was the last generation Vince rely on. But it wasn't just Vince the problem, it was people outside of wrestling also. The reason why I said this because I was born in 86. I remembered how when I first hit adulthood with me and my friends who was in the same age range had a hard time getting by because a lot of people from the previous generation despised us. When we first hung out at different clubs or bars, it was the Generation X that gives us sh*t. When me and my other employees (around the same age) were at work. Once we got a new manager (early Gen X), he started to fired all the millennials and kept the workers from the previous generation. I don't get what's the beef with people who were born from 70's and before had with the millennials in the 2000's.
Hmm why you being salty about randy Orton? Maybe we should of had more London too. There was too much Hornswoggle. Granted and John as much as I think he's ok has been shoved down our throats. I think a lot more people could of been pushed more and still have the top guys. But clearly not in Vince's eyes
I remember seeing Paul London's ROH stuff via tape trading when I was a teenager. So when he signed with WWE and he appeared in that match with brock . The whole time I was waiting for him to suddenly start throwing in the amazing moves I knew he could do. Like build it as this smaller guy who surprises Brock with what he could do. I watched and waited. and waited. And he just got squashed Paul london was so good and WWE wasted him.
The product dropped off dramatically after 2001 but you still had big moments and some great feuds up until 04/5 when it took a nosedive to oblivion! Vince had a massive ego at this point, didn’t care about WWE or pushing young talent. London and Kendrick, Rene Dupre and all the other young talent were buried back then and I always call it the start of the great decline.
The product was bad by 1999, too. The superstars were just there to make it seem less bad. The product wasn't hot anymore as it was in the 80's and even the "second boom" period didn't have as many cultivating moments that made it stand out in the mainstream.
I completely lost interest in WWF by the start of 2000. There were still some good promos by Mr McMahon etc; but the storylines and jokes really suffered after Russo/Ferrara left.
@@heelspawn8023 Malenko just wants to keep the job is all. His job is to be the messenger and steer the match according to command post. Love Paul but WWE just is the place where you should learn to USE the WWE for money
Oh plz Paul London was never gonna het a push. Dude was a small pothead wasn’t gonna draw a lot of money, and against everything Vince McMahon stood for which Vince would make it his mission to keep him down in the undercard. Again Vince McMahon is pure evil, and London simply didn’t give enough of a shit to get to the top
Brian had a shot but apparently something with some tweets or something and AEW turned away quickly do not know the whole story but it I do know it was a same day thing.
I always liked Paul and it was like one day he was gone. Now I see why but at no fault of his own. Sometimes I think Wrestling Companies miss more than they hit. They missed with Paul.
@@rleonardgreen78 used well? Outside of teaming with Kendrick and honestly a mediocre Cruiserweight title run, what did they necessarily do with him? Nothing. They put all that effort into Helms and Chavo though. There’s no excuse lol. They could’ve done plenty with Paul.
@@daviounwells8994 what has he done since? If London was this main event talent WWE misused, shouldn't he be a superstar in another company? For the role London played for WWE he was used well, since he was a heavily featured talent that was on tv every week and had championship runs.
I love Paul got to meet him in Austin holy fuck he didn’t give me a pep talk or much advice but he talked to me about whatnot and stuff and like he was cool AF! Made me love this guy and see how great he is even more. I love your mannerisms Paul and the bartender bought you a drink and you gave it to me the bartender gave me the biggest most hateful deathstare lmfao 🤣 But this is exactly Sasha Banks and Naomis argument “fuck me for being passionate and giving a fuck!!” And also I remember 2006 being such a sad year for the cruiserweights division. The CWs practically made the tag team division great again! And the CW champ Gregory Helms was champ for a whole year didn’t defend the belt and basically he was low key being disrespected yet he stood there did the best he could he a to slow down the matches use rest holds and choke and stomp it was so lame but he was just doing his job. And I also remember super crazy one day doing the moonsault and he looked so dead inside like “ok just gonna do the job” he did a moonsault into the mat crashing and he looked so unenthusiastic about it. Everyone in WWE back then looked so miserable. Paul you say it straight you’re kind yet you’re a soldier my friend. You didn’t make me feel lesser that day if anything you made me wanna get my ass up off my self loathing and pity party and build myself up.
I remember I was working backstage at the Civic center in my hometown I step outside and Paul London is standing there we talked about wrestling and doing mushrooms haha cool guy
@@forgottenmma3694 Lol, I had a bad trip on them and he told me don't do them on an empty stomach lol, Side note Shawn Michaels was a dickhead to everyone that night but london and Cena we're cool as hell
@@forgottenmma3694 Not security I just worked at the arena for setting up events, I helped set all the chairs on the floor and the curtain they walk through it was sweet but yeah this was 2007 and hbk was a dick and I thought hmmm christian man huh haha
"It's not about what the people want" well no shit that was obvious with the long title reigns i mean damn vince literally has wrestlers as champions a full year sometime longer and he puts washed up part-time wrestlers in wrestlemania main events case and point the rock, john china, and hulk hoga. While full-time wrestlers are banished to the mid card or on kickoff shows. And to be quite honest vince along with john china are the reasons why i don't watch the snoozefest wwe's garbage product.
Now every wrestler does over the top high risk moves. It’s the norm now. Paul was on ef the first in WWE to be a high flyer and from the indies. When it wasn’t popular.
I honestly can understand Vince's viewpoint on this. Im sure London trusted himself to be able to do the move safely, but from Vince's perspective after seeing so many guys get hurt doing that type of move he wouldnt care that London says he could do it safely.
I get it from Vince’s point here, money makes the world go round but him making excuses about “then Rey is going to ask to do it and others will too” that is the BS you gotta cut through. Vince I hear likes salesmen. So are you suppose to act like a mannequin and ignore him until he says yes? When he says no you push and push a sales point on why this should be a yes!! Haha no kidding try it guys it works!!
Brock landing on his neck. Kurt's moonsault on holly. Booker t breaking stone colds hand. D lo paralyzing droz. Owen breaking stone colds neck. Viscera breaking Takers orbital. Etc etc etc etc doesn't matter how good they are it happens. (Viscera was shit though)
Vince is a bloody hypocrite who doesn't care about his wrestlers. He tells Paul not to do a dangerous stunt but forces Owen to try and operate a stupid harness that didn't work and look what happened. Stop acting like vince cares because he doesn't!
Vince never liked highspots unless it draws money. He will let kane go for a closeline from top,undertaker do his old school and show lesnar break the ring but wont let a cruiserweight hit a 450.
Because a cruiserweight has more chance to damage themselves more than a big man who can do controlled spots. I know smarks are stupid but I never thought you were this stupid though 🙄
4:39- 4:50 i cant stop laughing. What Vince wants is simple, he chooses the top guy and that's it. Look Roman Reigns, Why is he where he is? being a good wrestler, NO. being good with the mick, No. He will bury anything that could steal Romans's thunder.
Big long winded story and doesn't even tell us what the ending to it was! Went into vinces office he told me not to do it, i said bla bla bla then he asked do you want us to make an exception for u? And doesn't tell us what he said back, only what he thought at the time. Wanted to know how he left the office, did he say no i don't or yes i do want u to make an exception and then what happened?
You can't judge someone off of one airport interaction, but I was on the same flight and in the same row as Dean. Multiple hours of a flight and he never looked happy.
I mean, as much hate as Vince (rightfully) gets, I feel like I can at least see where he was coming from this time - safety should and ALWAYS SHOULD come first inside that ring. Am I wrong 🤷🏻♂️?
I can understand what Vince is saying. Especially at the time, the boys were still traveling a lot. If he’s hitting that move every night he’s bound to have a few legit injuries. Which would open the door for more high flyers wanting to push the limits. Kind of like what we see in AEW now. All the unnecessary risks on a night to night basis isn’t good for business. Or the longevity of the talents. But I also understands Londons take on him feeling like he can do it more safely than prior people….ESPECIALLY KIDMAN.
lmao Bro I can't agree with Paul London on this. Vince was right on that move, Vince was looking out for this safety and the safety of the guy taking the move. Paul has the same mentality that wrestlers these days have where they just want to do flashy moves to get a pop without caring about the safety of themselves or others. It's for a cheap pop and act like they know everything. Just because they THINK they can perform it safely every time, they think it's ok to do. I"m with Vince on this one, safety comes first because it's these same guys who later in life want to complain that WWE does pay for the medical bills for injuries they went through while wrestling.
Well ..Vince has a point. Its called high risk for a reason and its just not realistic to think you arnt gonna have an accident plus I think Brock Lesnar did this and hurt himself so. Plus why you stealing peoples finishers anyway? you couldnt think of anything? Theres literally a million other finishers you could have chosen. Like I mean its not your attitude its just you arnt seeing things with a full deck!
I know this wont be popular. But i think seeing people perform moves like that does encourage others to try and people do get injured. Thats not Pauls fault and were i in his shoes i would have felt the same way. Weve seen equipment failures. Things can get slippery or any number of things.
i get vince he didn't want guys hurt after he saw the Kidman botch he knew it could end badly a lot more often and that is a move that easily could injure anyone even with Kidman doing it. Kidman should have looked at others not just himself, he wasnt no warrior talent to have a exception to use the move
I can partly understand not wanting London to do the move for safety reasons but its not like there werenr other wrestlers doing similarily dangerous moves so it seema like a bullshit reason. From a business aspect I can sorta see why. It seems that Vince wasnt a fan of the high flying crusierweight style. I remember most of my favorite Wrestlers were cruiserweights but it felt like they never got pushed or sidelined and then the divison eventually disappeared or got sidelined. As cool and exciting as it may be the one problem with high flying cruiserweights is longevity and its easier to book a safe boring match for their champions than have them risk injury to themselves or others. The funny thing now is its pretty much the fad for most wrestlers to do crazy spots at the expense of good ring psychology/storytelling. Another possibly of not wanting him to do it was actually knowing how much it would put him over with the fans and not wanting to push London.
The sad thing is that we've regressed back to this time in WWE. Pritchard and Johnny Ace are back and up to their old tricks, ruining the product for anyone watching. And if you give a damn, they either job you out or take you off the card for weeks and sometimes months. And sometimes they simply label you hard to work with and then fire you, like Keith Lee or Killer Kross. It's no wonder Sasha Banks walked out last week. She's been a fan since she was a kid, she's not going to put up with this shit. And the rest of the roster is split into two halves and it's obvious to anyone watching. One half don't want to ruffle feathers because they've worked a decade or more to get there, and the other half doesn't care as long as they get paid. Anyone actually passionate has ether gotten fired or is trying to leave.
Paul is right...Vince is paranoid and Dean has absolutely no backbone as an agent he should have been there with Paul to speak to Vince and just have him say that he didn't understand why he made that decision and to explain it so then Paul can say that he had no issues doing the move before and Dean could have just been there at least for moral support but no lol...he wasted time walking over there...such a shame I'm glad Paul got the standing ovation that he deserved for that Velocity match which is rare from the locker room!
Lol no . Mac Mahon is right, top rope stuff is dangerous for full time guys & if he allows one person to get away with it, then everyone else will feel slighted
Apparently Malenko is known for being a deadpan troll as learnt in AEW podcast with Schivoni. I could see Iceman looking at Paul as some fired up kid to mess around with. Think about it: 1) He suggest going straight to talk to Vince and power walk to his office, 2) Looks London dead in the eye and says "I got this", 3) under less than a minute Mcmahon says no and Dean says understood, have a nice day, and leaves London hanging there. If that's not ribbing and trolling then I don't know what is.
@@Sacrilege83 Or it could be that Dean is legit afraid of Vince. It's no surprise, considering a) he was his boss and b) he has that authoritarian air about him that leaves even the hardest among men feeling a bit uneasy.
@@mba321 Vince is intimidating sure, but I'll go with what Malenko's colleagues know him for, either that or he is a Vince stooge or both. or all three.
Paul: Well if Rey is gonna do the Shooting Star, then I'm gonna do the 619. Vince: No! You can't do the move that's Rey's finisher! Paul: He can take my finisher but I can't take his? Tell me again why I can't do the Shooting Star?
Kidman has the worst shooting star press ever & he the 1st guy I ever seen do it. it's like he gives up in the middle of performing the move. Half-ass flipping. Brock got hurt doing it, but at least he didn't hurt his opponents with it.
I've seen a few of Paul's interviews and the dude has some great stories but if you somehow rub the majority of the locker room the wrong way INCLUDING Undertaker I personally think there had to have been some if not a little attitude problems with him. Hearing him talk about the WWE is like hearing a recruit who got weeded out of the army. If you dont jive with the locker room culture the company will weed you out, either the brass or your colleagues.
Undertaker is a HORRIBLE person to measure that off of. He got annoyed or had an issue with everyone at one point it seems, which has to be the case if you’re the “judge of Wrestler’s Court” smh.
Bro undertaker saying today's talents are soft... then Miroslav blasting back at him and telling him " where sorry because today majority of the talent is drug free or steroid free and more calm unlike the crazy ppl back in the day"
No !! Not Dean ! Awww man , that's disheartening . Im glad London stood up . Kidmans shooting star was all over the place while Pauls was picture perfect every time . Dont get me started on Juvi !
I can understand Vinces point to a sense but Paul London hit that move with perfection better than anyone I’ve ever seen do it. For that reason, he should’ve been allowed to do it. What made it even funnier was at the same time he disallowed London’s finisher he was still allowing chair shots with blatant disregard throughout matches and I can remember plenty of matches with them. and we all know that lead to serious CTE. And yet that wasn’t more obvious to worry about? That’s just blows my mind about Vince
Goddamn Rene, you look like Del Rio in the darkness down there. 😀 Also to Paul, for them trying to give you an "attitude adjustment" for standing up for yourself and saying you have an attitude problem? Is bullshit. Killed me they called it a 450 lol
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This guy was literally the reason I used to watch velocity!!! One of my favourite wrestlers growing up! His run as cruiserweight champion 04-05 was amazing. And of course Londrick 05-08 was phenomenal!
Especially with that match with Akio which, in my opinion, is 1 of the greatest matches in WWE considering it was on a C show.
Same!
"I don't give a damn. What these people want" - Vince McMahon
Welcome to the last 20 years of wwe.
@@Rschr101 One of the most successful empires in entertainment history and THE most successful empire in wrestling.
@@ForeverExtreme Still doesn't mean that they can't give us what we want every now and then. The consumer is ALWAYS right!
@@ForeverExtreme What does that mean when your product, has consistently gotten worse over 20 years?
Finally, Vince being honest for once!
“Its not about what the people want”. That sums up everything wrong with the WWE product.
To be fair Vince was putting health and safety above the entertainment here. Can't fault him for that.
Yet they're doing better far better numbers than their closest competitor and are making money hand over fist.
That's being twisted around to make Vince look even worse than he does. His argument is that, just because the fans like something but it puts the performers safety at risk, doesn't mean it should be done, so therefore, it doesn't matter if they like it and he isn't necessarily wrong. I mean, how many pile drivers can you name in the last 15 years? 1 , CM Punk and John Cena and quite frankly, Paul London isn't the star they are. Also, this isn't a new topic either
@@ForeverExtreme 1.9 million viewers when it was 3 million 7 years ago is not a good flex. And live tv is a high commodity. Its paid that not because its good but because of its format.
Blame Eric B. He sold out to the Globalists. He could care less what the American fan wants to see.
"No more 450 " sounds like Mr Burns talking to Don Mattingly to get ride of his sideburns.
I feel you paul I'm the same, whenever you stand up for yourself they always say you got a attitude. The more I hear paul the more I see this guy is very much like me. Respect!
Sasha Banks
@@RedVoteRedemption sux
no not sasha banks in no way shape or form
@@charlesdgriffith4518 She literally got fired for standing up for what she thought. You can disagree with the decision to do so, but you can't argue she literally did the same thing.
Crazy how these WWE road agents are so spineless and snake like just because they were given a little bit of power. They'll snitch back to Vince and John Laurinaitis over the most trivial shit and potentially ruin any push. Funny how both Finley and Dean are longer with the company, so there's no loyalty to these corporations.
That's middle management for you
No loyalty towards the fans either.
Will never forget the infamous Vince McMahon explosion incident. Paul London just standing there smiling. 😂😂. It was hilarious considering how ludicrous that storyline was. Absolutely ridiculous. I am surprised no one else had the audacity to smile or laugh when Vince was walking backstage.
That reaction was priceless. Paul London is an underrated seller.
I think Lilian Garcia was also smiling but just not over the top.
Unfortunately, that got him noticed for all the wrong reasons.
I heard this led to god eventual firing. So petty man. It’s like that time when Titus O’Neil grabbed McMahon on stage and got punished for it. McMahon way too petty and emotional for his own good.
Vince was in prime EGO mode at that time , that story sounds like a set up too.. 💯
I remember Paul London and Brian Kendrick, they were a really good tag team on Smackdown.
I wanted them vs the motor city machine guns in 2006 07
I sat in the front row at the Royal rumble 2006 one Paul London did the shooting star off the turnbuckle to the outside of the ring and the whole place went insane! We were screaming holy shit and ECW
And that is good example why i undertands vince telling wrestlers to stop doing stuff.
If you have a company and on your tv show person does something and people start to chant other companys name
@@battlemole8233 Kinda meaningless when you own that company and secretly always kinda did.
@@darthbigred22 i see your point but i think cause it not a vince's creation then its a No No. I believe if people would chant wwe etc vince would not have any problem
I remember that move. Holy sh*t!
In the past, Paul London has appeared very bitter about his tenure in the WWE. In this interview, he seems a lot more measured describing his past experiences in the company.
How he's been biter? Cause he stands up for himself like cm punk , ambrose or any other ex WWE did not taking Vince's shit? You a moron or what?
people grow up, maybe he wass jut angry that he was realeased.
@@Letthat no, its not a always, some people blame themselves too much
If Vince didn't want guys getting hurt, why did he let Jeff Hardy Swanton his body to oblivion?
🎶Money, money, money, money, money,🎶
Because nobody ever complained about Hardy missing it or injuring himself or others when he did it. Common sense, no?
Paul London is one of the absolute best talents that WWE ever had. They just didn't realize it. LOVED HIS MATCHES. 🔥
Lol they didn’t realize it...? His very first segment was an onscreen with freaking mac Mahon jr & sable... London buried himself through his shenanigans
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 no no. We’re all victims here. I love London don’t get me wrong and i do hate that there are only a few gate keepers in the business even now. However if that were all true he would have gotten more over somewhere else. And dont come to me with his ROH and PWG runs post wwe because he had a few good promos and matches but you have to bring more to the business than that or it will die which is why it did. A lot of moves. Cool. But what else do we remember? I love this guy too i dont mean to talk shit but we gotta be real.
@@kitramseysbrother no you are the one who is the victim. Stop trying to be holier than thou just because your favourite Indy darling never made it big. London is practically what CM Punk is but a failure. I am not categorising myself to be in the same one as you and other smarks as you guys killed the fun for this business just because wrestling must make it a must to be an acrobat. Cry me a river you moany smark. When a wrestler starts to moan about their “work” in the business then they need a new damn hobby then waste their time for losers like you and themselves as London is a loser and was never bankable hell why be bankable on a profession that is getting more lamer and less popular. Know that the general populace does not care about you or the “real fans” as they will simply mock you for liking it in this day in age. Seeing a greying fool like London still being bitter after 20 years is pathetic and it shows he had no aspirations in life aside from wrecking his body “for work ethic”
Wrestling is pathetic
@@kitramseysbrother London was a prodigious talent. He was freak of nature. Everyone thought he & Kendrick were gonna be the next Hart/Michaels for a reason; they were that freaking good
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 stop fooling yourself into thinking they were going to be the next somebody when they were nobodies bud. Live in the real world not your made up smark fantasy land. Both guys you mentioned are nothing but nobodies. Sad but true but not my problem as smarks like you and that guy you replied to need some brain cells to understand just the most basic thing in the sport.
“Thats kinda what finishers are…dumb F” Paul London is a treasure 😂😂😂😂
LOL wow, I swear all the late Gen X and older Millennials got WASTED by WWE.
You guys were a good tag team, real potential, all wasted. So many guys around that time too from MVP, Mr. Kennedy, etc all held back so we could get more Stupid Cena, RKO, and Hornswaggle.
Bleh!
I can only imagine if that had been my career choice, not saying we all haven't gotten screwed by the Boomers in some way or the other, but VKM really doesn't "get it".
The post Ruthless Aggression era is called the Lost Generation for a reason.
Yeah, I feel that those born between 1978 and 1984 got absolutely shafted by ol' Vinnie Mac. Sure, you have guys like Punk and Danielson from that time range who got their time with the belt, but they fought FAR harder than they should have in order to get it.
Orton was the only example I can think of from that time frame who got the royal treatment from Vince. He should not have been the only one, though.
@@mba321I think what it is, the early Generation Xers was the last generation Vince rely on. But it wasn't just Vince the problem, it was people outside of wrestling also. The reason why I said this because I was born in 86. I remembered how when I first hit adulthood with me and my friends who was in the same age range had a hard time getting by because a lot of people from the previous generation despised us. When we first hung out at different clubs or bars, it was the Generation X that gives us sh*t. When me and my other employees (around the same age) were at work. Once we got a new manager (early Gen X), he started to fired all the millennials and kept the workers from the previous generation. I don't get what's the beef with people who were born from 70's and before had with the millennials in the 2000's.
Hmm why you being salty about randy Orton? Maybe we should of had more London too. There was too much Hornswoggle. Granted and John as much as I think he's ok has been shoved down our throats. I think a lot more people could of been pushed more and still have the top guys. But clearly not in Vince's eyes
wwe is way too controlled it’s a machine that wastes amazing talents and waters them down.
I remember seeing Paul London's ROH stuff via tape trading when I was a teenager. So when he signed with WWE and he appeared in that match with brock . The whole time I was waiting for him to suddenly start throwing in the amazing moves I knew he could do. Like build it as this smaller guy who surprises Brock with what he could do.
I watched and waited. and waited. And he just got squashed
Paul london was so good and WWE wasted him.
Same those were great times.
The product dropped off dramatically after 2001 but you still had big moments and some great feuds up until 04/5 when it took a nosedive to oblivion! Vince had a massive ego at this point, didn’t care about WWE or pushing young talent. London and Kendrick, Rene Dupre and all the other young talent were buried back then and I always call it the start of the great decline.
The product was bad by 1999, too. The superstars were just there to make it seem less bad. The product wasn't hot anymore as it was in the 80's and even the "second boom" period didn't have as many cultivating moments that made it stand out in the mainstream.
I completely lost interest in WWF by the start of 2000. There were still some good promos by Mr McMahon etc; but the storylines and jokes really suffered after Russo/Ferrara left.
Yup sounds like Dean... when Bret told his story of not respecting Dean. I was done too.
Malenko?
@@Sacrilege83 yes sir
That man can wrestle circles around your favorite miz or cena
Everyone as an attitude problem when they don't conform to the hire authority. The world according to the dick..tators .
Sasha and Naomi the latest to fall into that category.
I hope really hard from the bottom of my heart that this company goes bankrupt. The program they deliver these days is the peak of it, this crap.
Lmao Dean Malenko folded faster than a lawn chair. I think Vince didn’t like Paul London standing up for himself
Dean's a deadpan troll.
Faster than Venetian blinds
Idk why I thought he was referring to another Dean lol... Makenko the ice man was my guy. But I guess he melts under pressure lol
@@heelspawn8023 Malenko just wants to keep the job is all. His job is to be the messenger and steer the match according to command post. Love Paul but WWE just is the place where you should learn to USE the WWE for money
Paul London is Epic ! Vince should have given him a push he would have been Awesome 👌 ❤️
Then someone told Paul that he should smile more... and that cost him his job.
Oh plz Paul London was never gonna het a push. Dude was a small pothead wasn’t gonna draw a lot of money, and against everything Vince McMahon stood for which Vince would make it his mission to keep him down in the undercard. Again Vince McMahon is pure evil, and London simply didn’t give enough of a shit to get to the top
Paul gives me such cm punk vibes lol 😂 in a good way like his voice cadence the way he holds himself in these stories great stuff
Miss Paul London.
It's Mister Paul London ....he is a man .
@@straightchad8059 🤣🤣🤣
Paul London underated performer. Enjoyed his wrestling Wwe poor.
wow this is the first interview I've heard of him and he's really cool and well spoken
if you think this is awesome, listen to old interviews with Paul London and Brian Kendrick while they're stoned on weed LMFAO it's epic
Paul London & Brian Kendrick would be top guys in AEW if they were coming up today.
Brian had a shot but apparently something with some tweets or something and AEW turned away quickly do not know the whole story but it I do know it was a same day thing.
I always liked Paul and it was like one day he was gone. Now I see why but at no fault of his own. Sometimes I think Wrestling Companies miss more than they hit. They missed with Paul.
Poor guys
Paul London is the much better version of CM Punk. He should have been pushed through the moon. Would have been huge. Another WWE missed opportunity.
London was a good midcard talent that WWE used pretty well. Y'all love rewriting history to fit your narrative.
@@rleonardgreen78 LOL WHAT
@@drip8052 what's confusing you?
@@rleonardgreen78 used well? Outside of teaming with Kendrick and honestly a mediocre Cruiserweight title run, what did they necessarily do with him? Nothing. They put all that effort into Helms and Chavo though. There’s no excuse lol. They could’ve done plenty with Paul.
@@daviounwells8994 what has he done since? If London was this main event talent WWE misused, shouldn't he be a superstar in another company? For the role London played for WWE he was used well, since he was a heavily featured talent that was on tv every week and had championship runs.
Dean sounds like he was the worst agent ever during Ruthless Aggression Era.
What do u mean?
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 boss man
Lol idk, I think Tully was worse
No spine, whatsoever
@@takezoman no
I love Paul got to meet him in Austin holy fuck he didn’t give me a pep talk or much advice but he talked to me about whatnot and stuff and like he was cool AF! Made me love this guy and see how great he is even more. I love your mannerisms Paul and the bartender bought you a drink and you gave it to me the bartender gave me the biggest most hateful deathstare lmfao 🤣
But this is exactly Sasha Banks and Naomis argument “fuck me for being passionate and giving a fuck!!” And also I remember 2006 being such a sad year for the cruiserweights division. The CWs practically made the tag team division great again! And the CW champ Gregory Helms was champ for a whole year didn’t defend the belt and basically he was low key being disrespected yet he stood there did the best he could he a to slow down the matches use rest holds and choke and stomp it was so lame but he was just doing his job. And I also remember super crazy one day doing the moonsault and he looked so dead inside like “ok just gonna do the job” he did a moonsault into the mat crashing and he looked so unenthusiastic about it. Everyone in WWE back then looked so miserable.
Paul you say it straight you’re kind yet you’re a soldier my friend. You didn’t make me feel lesser that day if anything you made me wanna get my ass up off my self loathing and pity party and build myself up.
Let’s be honest, London should’ve gotten the push that Kendrick was given in 2009.
I remember I was working backstage at the Civic center in my hometown I step outside and Paul London is standing there we talked about wrestling and doing mushrooms haha cool guy
Mushroom? Paul London? Nooooooo. Lol. Thats pretty cool tho.
@@forgottenmma3694 Lol, I had a bad trip on them and he told me don't do them on an empty stomach lol, Side note Shawn Michaels was a dickhead to everyone that night but london and Cena we're cool as hell
@@Jeremy27129 so I guess Shawn being a changed man is a work. Thats cool bro. Were you security?
@@forgottenmma3694 Not security I just worked at the arena for setting up events, I helped set all the chairs on the floor and the curtain they walk through it was sweet but yeah this was 2007 and hbk was a dick and I thought hmmm christian man huh haha
@@Jeremy27129 what did he do lol
Paul looks like Keannur Reeves now
"It's not about what the people want" well no shit that was obvious with the long title reigns i mean damn vince literally has wrestlers as champions a full year sometime longer and he puts washed up part-time wrestlers in wrestlemania main events case and point the rock, john china, and hulk hoga. While full-time wrestlers are banished to the mid card or on kickoff shows. And to be quite honest vince along with john china are the reasons why i don't watch the snoozefest wwe's garbage product.
Now every wrestler does over the top high risk moves. It’s the norm now. Paul was on ef the first in WWE to be a high flyer and from the indies. When it wasn’t popular.
I don't remember Paul London but he seems like a really cool guy.
I honestly can understand Vince's viewpoint on this. Im sure London trusted himself to be able to do the move safely, but from Vince's perspective after seeing so many guys get hurt doing that type of move he wouldnt care that London says he could do it safely.
These goofs don't have to pay Vince's insurance bill! It's easy for them to say.
I get it from Vince’s point here, money makes the world go round but him making excuses about “then Rey is going to ask to do it and others will too” that is the BS you gotta cut through. Vince I hear likes salesmen. So are you suppose to act like a mannequin and ignore him until he says yes? When he says no you push and push a sales point on why this should be a yes!! Haha no kidding try it guys it works!!
Brock landing on his neck. Kurt's moonsault on holly. Booker t breaking stone colds hand. D lo paralyzing droz. Owen breaking stone colds neck. Viscera breaking Takers orbital. Etc etc etc etc doesn't matter how good they are it happens. (Viscera was shit though)
Vince is a bloody hypocrite who doesn't care about his wrestlers. He tells Paul not to do a dangerous stunt but forces Owen to try and operate a stupid harness that didn't work and look what happened. Stop acting like vince cares because he doesn't!
@@zemox2534 cry more
Vince never liked highspots unless it draws money. He will let kane go for a closeline from top,undertaker do his old school and show lesnar break the ring but wont let a cruiserweight hit a 450.
Because a cruiserweight has more chance to damage themselves more than a big man who can do controlled spots. I know smarks are stupid but I never thought you were this stupid though 🙄
So Jeff Hardy,RVD never worked for Vince?
@@rleonardgreen78 "Unless it draws money" The guys you named drew a lot of money...
@@Y2JLionHeart u make no sense at all there's always guys who do high flying moves regardless if they are over or not
Wow Paul sounds very bitter. I can understand though.
London gives me Keanu Reeves vibes
They have very similar speaking voices and hair types.
I first saw him on Sunday Night Heat, I believe, and I was hooked. I regret not going to see him in ROH at the Hamburg Field House in 2002.
4:39- 4:50 i cant stop laughing. What Vince wants is simple, he chooses the top guy and that's it. Look Roman Reigns, Why is he where he is? being a good wrestler, NO. being good with the mick, No. He will bury anything that could steal Romans's thunder.
Then later Evan Bourne started using and Vince didn't bitch about it.
If you give the people what they want all the time they'll get bored and lose interest
Big long winded story and doesn't even tell us what the ending to it was! Went into vinces office he told me not to do it, i said bla bla bla then he asked do you want us to make an exception for u? And doesn't tell us what he said back, only what he thought at the time. Wanted to know how he left the office, did he say no i don't or yes i do want u to make an exception and then what happened?
Pretty obvious what happened
Hell yes, can’t wait for this!
I loved Paul London in ra era. Typical backstage bullshit politics
In a world of Hucksters, frat boys, and bullshit artists, London was always different. Respect the hell outta that guy.
You can't judge someone off of one airport interaction, but I was on the same flight and in the same row as Dean. Multiple hours of a flight and he never looked happy.
This is the Iceman we're talking about right?
Someone was miserable on a flight, that is shocking. Also, sitting close to someone isn't a interaction.
@@mavtx21 dean has a terrible rep with workers and fans.
Congratulations to BOTH of you! Keep exposing McMahon and his YES-MEN for what they really are!!!
Damn does this dude like anyone?
talking to Mr. McMannequin.
I mean, as much hate as Vince (rightfully) gets, I feel like I can at least see where he was coming from this time - safety should and ALWAYS SHOULD come first inside that ring. Am I wrong 🤷🏻♂️?
And years later he’s letting Keith Lee and other big guys going off the top rope!
Different times, their medical situation is zipped up now
HHH allowed that. Vince made Keith Lee work a big man style and everyone started whining
I doubt he was doing it better than AJ Styles
Paul was always underrated!!, Dean is a wrestler not an agent and he should have never been!
I can understand what Vince is saying. Especially at the time, the boys were still traveling a lot. If he’s hitting that move every night he’s bound to have a few legit injuries. Which would open the door for more high flyers wanting to push the limits. Kind of like what we see in AEW now. All the unnecessary risks on a night to night basis isn’t good for business. Or the longevity of the talents. But I also understands Londons take on him feeling like he can do it more safely than prior people….ESPECIALLY KIDMAN.
lmao Bro I can't agree with Paul London on this. Vince was right on that move, Vince was looking out for this safety and the safety of the guy taking the move. Paul has the same mentality that wrestlers these days have where they just want to do flashy moves to get a pop without caring about the safety of themselves or others. It's for a cheap pop and act like they know everything. Just because they THINK they can perform it safely every time, they think it's ok to do. I"m with Vince on this one, safety comes first because it's these same guys who later in life want to complain that WWE does pay for the medical bills for injuries they went through while wrestling.
Paul London is a badass. He isn't afraid.
No coincidence WWE is doing better than ever WITHOUT Vince!!!!!
Well ..Vince has a point. Its called high risk for a reason and its just not realistic to think you arnt gonna have an accident plus I think Brock Lesnar did this and hurt himself so. Plus why you stealing peoples finishers anyway? you couldnt think of anything? Theres literally a million other finishers you could have chosen. Like I mean its not your attitude its just you arnt seeing things with a full deck!
The real know Paul London was an extraordinary wasted talent! Now theirs guys doing these things raising the bar and Paul was doing it 20 years ago 🫠
I know this wont be popular. But i think seeing people perform moves like that does encourage others to try and people do get injured. Thats not Pauls fault and were i in his shoes i would have felt the same way. Weve seen equipment failures. Things can get slippery or any number of things.
i get vince he didn't want guys hurt after he saw the Kidman botch he knew it could end badly a lot more often and that is a move that easily could injure anyone even with Kidman doing it. Kidman should have looked at others not just himself, he wasnt no warrior talent to have a exception to use the move
I can partly understand not wanting London to do the move for safety reasons but its not like there werenr other wrestlers doing similarily dangerous moves so it seema like a bullshit reason. From a business aspect I can sorta see why. It seems that Vince wasnt a fan of the high flying crusierweight style. I remember most of my favorite Wrestlers were cruiserweights but it felt like they never got pushed or sidelined and then the divison eventually disappeared or got sidelined. As cool and exciting as it may be the one problem with high flying cruiserweights is longevity and its easier to book a safe boring match for their champions than have them risk injury to themselves or others. The funny thing now is its pretty much the fad for most wrestlers to do crazy spots at the expense of good ring psychology/storytelling. Another possibly of not wanting him to do it was actually knowing how much it would put him over with the fans and not wanting to push London.
If they don’t want you to get over, and you’re trying to get yourself over, then you have an attitude problem. It’s just too offensive to Vince’s ego.
Dean sounds like my union shop guy.
Vince McMahon is just a horrible person. Hands down.
The sad thing is that we've regressed back to this time in WWE. Pritchard and Johnny Ace are back and up to their old tricks, ruining the product for anyone watching. And if you give a damn, they either job you out or take you off the card for weeks and sometimes months. And sometimes they simply label you hard to work with and then fire you, like Keith Lee or Killer Kross. It's no wonder Sasha Banks walked out last week. She's been a fan since she was a kid, she's not going to put up with this shit. And the rest of the roster is split into two halves and it's obvious to anyone watching. One half don't want to ruffle feathers because they've worked a decade or more to get there, and the other half doesn't care as long as they get paid. Anyone actually passionate has ether gotten fired or is trying to leave.
I fucking love Paul London man, he's such a real guy
Paul is right...Vince is paranoid and Dean has absolutely no backbone as an agent he should have been there with Paul to speak to Vince and just have him say that he didn't understand why he made that decision and to explain it so then Paul can say that he had no issues doing the move before and Dean could have just been there at least for moral support but no lol...he wasted time walking over there...such a shame I'm glad Paul got the standing ovation that he deserved for that Velocity match which is rare from the locker room!
Lol no . Mac Mahon is right, top rope stuff is dangerous for full time guys & if he allows one person to get away with it, then everyone else will feel slighted
@@uncledrosselmeyer6480 Tombstone piledriver became exclusive for Taker and Kane.
Apparently Malenko is known for being a deadpan troll as learnt in AEW podcast with Schivoni. I could see Iceman looking at Paul as some fired up kid to mess around with. Think about it: 1) He suggest going straight to talk to Vince and power walk to his office, 2) Looks London dead in the eye and says "I got this", 3) under less than a minute Mcmahon says no and Dean says understood, have a nice day, and leaves London hanging there.
If that's not ribbing and trolling then I don't know what is.
@@Sacrilege83 Or it could be that Dean is legit afraid of Vince. It's no surprise, considering a) he was his boss and b) he has that authoritarian air about him that leaves even the hardest among men feeling a bit uneasy.
@@mba321 Vince is intimidating sure, but I'll go with what Malenko's colleagues know him for, either that or he is a Vince stooge or both. or all three.
Paul: Well if Rey is gonna do the Shooting Star, then I'm gonna do the 619.
Vince: No! You can't do the move that's Rey's finisher!
Paul: He can take my finisher but I can't take his? Tell me again why I can't do the Shooting Star?
Kidman has the worst shooting star press ever & he the 1st guy I ever seen do it. it's like he gives up in the middle of performing the move. Half-ass flipping. Brock got hurt doing it, but at least he didn't hurt his opponents with it.
Paul really manages to make a great case for why Vince wouldn’t allow it.
Vince always had contempt for the fans, even though we made his ass.
Bianca Belair does the 450 Splash
Gotta give it to London- he tells the best stories and accounts of the real stuff.
Am I alone thinking that Kidmen had a crappy SSP?
Is Paul on any social media? Would love to catch up with the guy
I've seen a few of Paul's interviews and the dude has some great stories but if you somehow rub the majority of the locker room the wrong way INCLUDING Undertaker I personally think there had to have been some if not a little attitude problems with him.
Hearing him talk about the WWE is like hearing a recruit who got weeded out of the army. If you dont jive with the locker room culture the company will weed you out, either the brass or your colleagues.
Undertaker is a HORRIBLE person to measure that off of. He got annoyed or had an issue with everyone at one point it seems, which has to be the case if you’re the “judge of Wrestler’s Court” smh.
Bro undertaker saying today's talents are soft... then Miroslav blasting back at him and telling him " where sorry because today majority of the talent is drug free or steroid free and more calm unlike the crazy ppl back in the day"
“No more top rope moves!” I’m a cruiserweight…
Juvi and Kidman were pretty reckless
You guys came along at a terrible time in wrestling
Nice to see Dean stick up for his guy.
This is why I’m no longer a wwe fan
Was Vince not in gorilla at this time ?
Vince was correct in this instance.
Vince McSham
As a kid I thought Kidman's finisher was neat as hell, now it looks awful but lucky he didn't hurt anyone besides Chavo.
No !! Not Dean ! Awww man , that's disheartening . Im glad London stood up . Kidmans shooting star was all over the place while Pauls was picture perfect every time . Dont get me started on Juvi !
Interesting to hear now after what happened with Sasha and NAOMI...2 women have more balls then a lot of guy's...so Paul really did good
I can understand Vinces point to a sense but Paul London hit that move with perfection better than anyone I’ve ever seen do it. For that reason, he should’ve been allowed to do it. What made it even funnier was at the same time he disallowed London’s finisher he was still allowing chair shots with blatant disregard throughout matches and I can remember plenty of matches with them. and we all know that lead to serious CTE. And yet that wasn’t more obvious to worry about? That’s just blows my mind about Vince
Sweet
I thought the story was- John Laurenaitis didn't want London doing the shooting star anymore because they gave that finisher to newcomer Evan Bourne.
💪💪
I will never forget Paul’s promo with the American Dolphin Master, Bryan Danielson. Look it up.
Goddamn Rene, you look like Del Rio in the darkness down there. 😀 Also to Paul, for them trying to give you an "attitude adjustment" for standing up for yourself and saying you have an attitude problem? Is bullshit. Killed me they called it a 450 lol
No more cruiserweights coming off the top rope!
(All cruiserweights turn to dust and blow away)
That’s gotta be a weird Vince moment where he decided something crazy like “no top rope moves”. And realized that’s insane two days later.