Fan Prices are getting out of Hand...
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:55 iCUE LINK QX120 RGB
2:56 YT poll & price issue
4:23 Technology top, price flop?
5:28 The QX fan in detail
6:55 H150i iCUE LINK RGB-AiO
8:36 Conclusion/Summary
11:54 Outro 
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For that amount of money an engineer should be included to do the installation.
They should also include a bonus perfumed love letters innit aswell 😂😂
I thought that the last Corsair fans were overpriced. Now if it costs more than the UNI fans it’s not worth the cost of hiding wires
it pays their engineer's salaries. software engineers etc and they are an american company so american salaries. i think in california even so the living costs are high
For that amount of money Corsair should come to my house and do my dishes
@@leftcoastfunk why don't you let your wife/gf do it instead 😜
we're getting to a point where building a custom loop is gonna be cheaper than getting an AIO
I view these like designer clothes.... It's only for visual effects.
You don't need flashing lights all over your fans, and AIO coolers don't need displays on them that rival cell phones.
$5 fans will always exist.
Already has happened. I spent under $100 and built a copper radiator 360mm system. Pump $25; fittings $8; Tubing with fluid concentrate $30; water block $16; Radiator was $15, but you may have to shop I think they are around $60 usually. You could spend $50 on the water block if you like.
Or you can buy an AIO from a decent brand like Arctic and get something that performs better for about £$100
I just checked, and in my country they already are. For 360 If you're cool with lower power pump, and want copper radiator, custom is already cheaper (and by $17), as copper rad AIOs are fairly expensive. With aluminium rad, I can't quite match the price with truly the cheapest one I found, but was within $9. No reservoir, though, so fill carefully.
@@milescarter7803 Where did you get the radiator for $15?? The only ones I have seen cost as much as whole AIO.
And here I thought paying 20 each for bequiet or noctua fans was already an investment and a premium price...... 160 EURO IS CRAZY
Cost of Noctua fans is already reaching 30€, in case of A12 it´s over 30€ and i expect A14x25 to be at least 40€ or more per piece.
But these are most of the time just one-time purchase, as they will work for years and refuse to give up.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq The Chromax variant is even more.
Same. Just wrote on the German Vid that i thought 46 for 2 Be Quiet Silent Wings 4 Pro would have been just acceptable. They arent RGB Fans but they are in the current Top Fans to get Segment. So its at least... ok still. (I am talking about 23 EURO btw)
Yeah, but ill pay for noctua because they actually make a quality product. I have 8 of their fans and my god their nice.
@@ic_trab what i don´t get about Chromax, are those colored edges. Also, standard Noctua accessories. Like when buying like 3 fans, will i need 3 Y cables and 3 cable extenders? LN adapters are already a thing of the past, since motherboards now offer very impressive fan control capabilities. I´d rather have those accessories as optional purchase, than included, as i already have plenty of each.
Seriously... everything is priced like designer fashions and accessories now. Prices no longer have anything at all to do with what a thing is worth or how much it cost to make. Now it's just _"how much can we POSSIBLY charge for this and still sell some?"_ Welcome to the world of *_"Screw the customers, all hail the shareholders!"_* (with Autodesk, Adobe and Apple leading the way.)
At least with Autodesk and Adobe, they have the cover of 'People use this software to make money with their business, so we can kind of justify it.' even though it's still ludicrously priced. nVidia, on the other hand... just releases ridiculously more expensive GPUs because 'fuck you, buy it anyways'.
@@WhiteG60I make money with Nvidia products. I sure as shit don't with RGB fans tho.
nah, it is fine. fans are not really that hard to find non-crazy replacements.
Nvidia - above and beyond any company in our space led to this. You could point to Apple, but generally Apple is incentivized to get their main hardware into your hands somehow. Nvidia gives 0 shits and it affects everything down the line. Hell the monitors that support ULMB2 are now $100 more expensive all the time since it was released; everything they touch becomes unreasonably expensive.
Because that's pretty much what these are. They are "designer handbag" fans.
People are buying AIO coolers with color displays and RGB, so those people will buy this.
If I want a premium fan I'll go Noctua, if I want a standard fan I'll buy one for $5
I'd be more excited about fans and RGB if there was maybe a STANDARD connection type across ALL manufacturers and software that isn't total crap.
Well... *There used to be.* But then gamers who were annoyed with cabling a system once every three years cried about it, and frequently rebuilding reviewers whose point of view is totally irrelevant because they represent 0.001% of users joined in for routine snark - and here we are, half a dozen proprietary "standards" to solve a non-issue, with a price increase and a ton of downsides. You're welcome!
THIS! Openpleb would have been the right move, this is such an absolute insane amount of gatekeeping by price, but currently that is the direction the industry is going towards. Let's see how many years Corsair needs to figure out that console-gamers don't need their products.
@@Lishtenbird what?
We have a standard connector
It’s just not used that much
@@ZaHandle 90% of motherboard and rgb fans now use the 3 pin connector. only handful that are using proprietary means
All prices are getting out of hand lately. Is sad to see us moving in the wrong direction, in terms of price to value aspect for many products.
real
The only Hardware thats getting cheaper every day are SSDs... :D
All we have to do is boycott the price. Once they realise that nobody will buy the product, they'll lower the prices to taunt us. But that's how ya get them to lower them prices, don't buy till they do. Even if it's 3 or 4 years down the road. Just say'n.
@@Kevin-zf3yy RAM too. Especially DDR5 continues falling.
You will always be able to get cheap fans. Also in general people are moving away from set ups like this as electric prices are going up and up. The day of the power hungry tower PC is coming to an end. I upgraded my PC with a new motherboard and an extra 16gb of ddr4 ram (because its so cheap) and that will mostly likely be the last upgrade I ever do. Im moving onto mini PCs in the years ahead.
If they provided a 15 year warranty and peak performance in every regard, i would say it would been worth it. But in any other case the price is insane.
And a nonproprietary RGB standard.
They would have to meet or exceed Noctua's 72 month warranty to even be considered at this price.
That said, I have no interest in RGB, I'd rather put that money towards component performance.
Also you need to know it's going to work on the next gen of CPU if some one changes the socket, kind of a cool Noctua perk is knowing they will send you a free kit to make the cooler work. Noctua has a history of long support so the trust is there, no one else has the same history of support.
The minimum they have to do is promise to maintain the ecosystem for X number of years. The old "Link" devices just lost support over night...
15 years? it better be 50 years for the price they are charging...
Finally someone said something about this.... More than 15usd for a plastic fan is just getting ridiculous
$15 is nothing.
@@OriginalMergatroid tell that to the 1000's of people living in cars and tents because they can no longer afford the 800/wk aud rent lol
Corsair looked at Noctua and said something about beer, was too distracted by the price to notice.
yea but noctua back in the day has a great justification for there price. There was only 2 maybe fans that could compete. Today is a bit different but if you want the highest quality fans on the market they are still the go to.
Corsair's refusal to use the standard ARGB 3 pin 5V connector standard is why I'll be staying far away from this product lineup.
you can actually convert corsair's preoperatory rgb connector into standard 3pin argb connector. infact theres actually a way to convert every rgb connector into standart 3 pin. i did it multiple times with corsair and nzxt fan, you just need to source the converter
@@xs3tsunax is it provided by all their product lineup tho? or its hassle to spend more for a connector or make it ourselves?
@@caffarellaailyze7609 It works for their older line-up, yes. But this system uses the 12v line for RGB, where as EVERYTHING else (ARGB) uses 5v. So splicing cables is no longer an option to get these working with different headers. And thats why they use them :D
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@@caffarellaailyze7609 the point is that you can. Mobo 3 pin connector actually have very limited function that is why they use their own connector and software . Actually corsair non i water cooler comes with this 3 pin converter
I've had zero interest in corsair or icue cause of this for a long time.
Fan prices (for some brands) have been out of hand for quite some time. I like good fans, but often there is very little difference in noise, air movement and theoretically longevity between quite a few different brands, but the price can vary by a lot.
That's just not true unfortunately. There's an ENORMOUS difference in noise, air movement, and longevity between various brands. Scythe and Noctua fans will move gobs of air at near dead silence compared to others.
@@superslash7254 The charts generally suggest otherwise, unless you are going out of your way to compare trash fans with good ones there are generally multiple options easily within 5% - 10% of each other. That is why noctua is often purchased by posers, they are willing to pay a lot more to get 1, or 2 degree cooler temps. Might want to check out your caps lock key btw, it seems to have a random issue.
@@-opus What charts are you looking at? Noctua was on top for a while until recently with Phanteks and the others finally catching up in noise normalized tests. Arctic did good with their fans aside from the random motor hum they exhibit around 1k RPM. Corsair fans also suffered the same fate with motor noise and half of their fans don't even move much air. Noctua got it in the bag because their fans can move tons of air with virtually zero resonance and turbulence and their customer service is top notch. That's why they have a cult like following. Sounds like you've never even experienced them to begin with. Such a lousy comment.
Always great to have actual people connected to the majority of normal users speaking about tech and pricing
No way.. 90 aud for each fan.. what weird times we live in.
That's another benefit for building a ITX system, cause you don't need any fans for such a PC, besides the fans from the CPU and GPU cooler..
I thought you're joking, until I saw you weren't. I thought AU$40 for my LL fans a couple years ago was crazy, this is actual insanity! The fact that LL's still go for $40 does not bode well for this new QX line getting cheaper over time :(
@@HUSTLEONLY-kz5bf look i dunno about you.. but I have an aircooled NR200, I still need 2x120mm fans on the cooler, and 2x for intake up top, another 2x slim 15mm ones under the gpu, and another 2x on the side.
This is on an NR200. What SFF are you building that doesnt require any fans, you would still need at least 2 or ideally more if you were watercooling..
Don't need fans in Melbourne now, its so cold :P
@@Mark_Williams. I thought I was nuts spending $40 on noctua fans for maybe 10% better performance instead of $20 fans... I doubt these are much better given their price and the entire cost is due to the lighting and wiring system.
It's ok , Artic fans are a thing , i only buy fans from them these days , cheap and good enough tbh
Agreed. Their P12 and P14 fans are superb, especially when you consider just how unbelievably cheap they are. I replaced four of my case fans with P12s. Unfortunately, my small computer case did not have clearance for a P14 at the top and I had to go with a slightly slimmer Be Quiet! fan I had lying around, but otherwise I'd have gone full Arctic.
Yup and the daisy chain version makes for very easy cable management, at 1/10th the price of this.
Yep, for my new build I got a 5 pack P12s for way less than a single noctua, and performance/noise is great
Cheap yes, but the quality is abysmal and getting worse.
I can´t use them at all. The growling was driving me insane.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq I have at least 20 of their fans in multiple systems, haven't had a single issue with any of them as of yet. Even my ancient freezer 13 has been bulletproof.
I imagine you must just have a bad batch, it might be worth using your warranty to see if a new one fixes your issues.
I fully agree with the title of this video. Just look at the fancy packaging. Part of what they're selling you is an "unboxing high".
I fully agree with you, Roman. From a technical standpoint it's quite interesting. I'll also add that until there is an industry standard for things like this I won't be purchasing from any of the vendors trying to take this approach. Getting locked into an ecosystem isn't acceptable for me.
3 of the 140mm would cost near the same cost close to the same as entire Fractal Torrent PC case… RGB I think, too. Would you rather have 3 of Corsair’s new 140mm fans, or a Fractal Torrent? I’ll take cable management problems for the entire PC case over fans any day. You’re right, that’s just too much money to make enough sense.
So funny. I remember back in the day when noctua fans were the most expensive fan lol. Now they are cheap when you compare to some other mess out there. I’ll take noctua all day every day.
I remember back in the day when Nexus Real Silent 120mm fans were the most expensive at $19 (aside from Delta fans, but no one that wants to keep their sanity ran Delta fans). Then people found out they were just rebadged/repackaged Yate Loons that you could get for roughly $3-$5.
Noctua isn't daisy chainable though, imo all pricey fans should be daisy chainable
@@SkateClipsAndTips I wouldn’t consider pricey anymore IMO
@@heytoast7129 I loved my Yate Loons so much. I relubricated the heck out of mine for like 10 years, finally died.
Amazing content as always and absolutely love you include the sweet kitty cat in the vids ;D
Those prices are absolutely crazy, good solution to have less wires. I have corsair aio and fans also rgb strips, keyboard and mouse. Sorting cable mess was a challenge but not planning to change any of the in near future
My 4$ arctic fans are doing just fine, no sound, plenty of cooling, and best of all - no cringe rgb BS.
Totally with you about this.I appreciate that Corsair may be innovating but they have also been getting pretty greedy as of late.
The more the cost of cooling equipment the more I'm starting to think outside the box. I have and old radiant heat system that has been disconnected, also have a circulator pump to suit. I'll still need water blocks and mounting kits, so keep up the solid work! I do have a question, what are the approximate design limit pressures of an average water block??? D5 pump curves barely approach 5 psi. Have you tested any water blocks at higher pressures? Do you have any flow/pressure curves for any water-blocks? I intend to use my whole foundation (or at least 1 zone) as a heat sink, no fans needed! Just assuming the water block is the biggest restriction in the loops. I haven't seen anyone test setups for restrictions of flow, though I have seen triple 90's in a row. Immediate 90's pre and post pump discharge with no regard for pump cavitation. Rule of thumb would be 3x pipe diameter straight line prior to pump. It's also a bit surprising that the D5 pump is the goto pump even though pressure restrictions are not known. Usually you know the operating pressure range and THEN you spec the pump. Food for thought! 60 psi sounds like a nice manageable pressure, 5 psi is just a dribble!
4-pin headers are not hard to bus up manually. just make sure the power spec on the fan header can handle the fans. vcc, ground and pwm in parallel, and i like to use the tach signal of the centermost fan in the array (leave the others disconnected). one thing id like to do is order bus strips from a pcb house that can join up multiple fans. like do a fan-length section that you can join with 90 degree headers, with the last header plugging into an extension cable to your mobo. then just clip the fan cable and solder to the strip, attach to the side of the fan with an adhesive.
I'll definitely just buy some Arctic P12 RGB fans for a fraction of the price and call it a day. All the bells and whistles are nice, but like you said, I'm only going to have to deal with the cables maybe once a year, if that. We're PC builders. We are usually willing to put in a little extra work to save the money. Otherwise, everyone would just buy prebuilds and laptops.
I'm going to guess that they aren't the best of the best for performance. Slightly smaller fan diameter (to make room for the RGB ring) and 4 thick braces in the middle will mess with airflow a bit.
I totally agree with you on price, I spent way too much on my builds aesthetics, custom watercooling a sub 20L build.
As a SFF user the Link would be amazing if any RGB product could use it due to its hub size and saving cable space, but of course its proprietary so Its pretty useless for me since I use multiple 5v header products in my small build so there is no way id be able use any corsair products in my build anyway thanks to it only fitting corsair products. if it was open sorce and supported 5V it be such a godsend for cable and space management but having it for just a single waterblock or a couple fans just adds so much clutter.
That and Corsair charge such a premium just to lock you into its ecosystem.
Right now I got a Coolermaster A1 to control 3 5V's, while very basic software It's got a small footprint, it works and only needs a SATA and internal usb header and has 3 individual 5v headers.
Price is a bit steep and I don't quite understand the 6-pin psu connector. What was wrong with using Sata power connector as before? I gave up on RGB on my recent build due to rubbish RGB malware software like Icue. I found it was always messing-up, especially after certain Windows updates.
I don't care about rgb. I just want fans that can cool my rads be quiet and last long
I almost had an heart attack when he said that 3 fan pack cost 120 euros.
160 😂
Yeah, thats because it costs 160 Euro, not 120.
A pack of two 140mm fans costs 120 euros.
Jesus, you can literally buy right now a Ryzen 5 5600 cpu around $120-140. Wow these publicly traded companies are greedy they always value their shareholders
The Link H150i is actually 5 devices: 3 fans, i pump, and the RGP on the block. So, you can only add 2 more devices from the end of the AIO, not 4.
I change things about every other week, so the cable management issue comes up often for me. (No, it never get to "good enough" for me for very long. I'm ALWAYS tweaking things.) This cabling would be wonderful for me.
It's 4. The pump and RGB are one device, so it can handle an AIO and (for example) 3 front/side fans on one line.
I purchased a set of 7 darkflash dr12 pro 120mm rgb fans complete with hub for £47.
A really good buy and they work brilliantly in my o11 Evo case, it is connected to the Aura Sync and also has 2 x aura sync connectors on the hub..
Meanwhile I recently bought four Arctic fans (P12 for PSU, F12 PWM and 2x F14 PWM for case) for 5-7 EUR each. Fan prices are not getting out of hand, it's the unnecessary RGB gimmicks that are becoming excessively expensive
I bought Arctic P12 MAX at £9 each. That offer is still available. I can't fault the performace to price.
As the fan can ramp up to 3300 rpm, it's easy to find the fan curve for your system. Sound is really difficult to compare as it is based on so many factors, from how fast you spin the fan to where they are positioned and how close they are to other components. It's just not worth spending more in my opinion.
Tried it. Insane bearing noise and out of 3 i bought, only 1 was somewhat bearable & didn´t start walking around the table at max rpm.
Ordinary P2 - PWM PST vibrations, PWM (non-PST) no vibrations.
Arctic seems to no longer have any QA.
I also think, their fans are cheap for a reason, that such low price may discourage people from RMA-ing defective fans and just buy new ones.
I have 10 P-Max fans in a Lian Li and I paid 76€
@@Morpheus-pt3wq I wonder if you were unlucky with a bad batch. I very much doubt that many manufacturers will have a totally robust QC. All it takes is for a slight change of timing through the manufacturing process and the QC becomes out of sync. Having worked in QC it's simply not feasible to review enough that you could guarantee all products off the line, without significantly increasing the cost of the unit price. Sorry to hear you had such a poor experience.
Just a shout out to you as I have followed you for many years always great videos. On this topic I have found that most of these case fans are so slow and do not perform very well at all. I have been building my own set ups using delta fans that have a much higher static pressure and up to 3600 rpm. Then I add a speed controller that can handle the extra amperage the delta fans need to my rigs. They are fused with heat sinks and are attached directly to the 12 volt rail of the PSU. All can be purchased from amazon and made to look very professional in your build. One exception is the led bling which for me is not as important as the cooling on my open loop systems. I was able to get some used Cisco chassis fan trays with Delta fans for a very reasonable price and they rock keep my hi heat CPU and GPUs 10 to fifteen degrees lower then these types of fans.
I remember only having to pay $5 CAD for a single standard 120mm fan less than 10 years ago... now the same fan is $25-30 CAD regular price. I refuse to pay that much for a standard fan let alone more than double that just for some proprietary connectors that won't work with any other manufacturer's fans... nah mate, I'm not going anywhere near these products until their prices come back down closer to reality. Thanks again for another great video!
Noctua is the only company I’d give money to for an expensive fan. Proven excellent product design and quality. They’re usually cheaper than this price and have a long proven track record.
Yes even with the sewage inspired design noctua is the only one I’m comfortable spending top dollar knowing it is all spent on good material and worksmanship
@@cat-.- and If you stop putting windows on your computer case, who cares what anything inside looks like. To each their own, but my computer is a tool. Not a piece of nerd jewelry
No RGB. Many builders like RGB.
@@JasonB808 do you
I wouldn't, Phanteks T30 is a better fan.
you are right, that price is absurd.
i've been using arctic P14 pwm pst co's (and P12's) for years now and they are fantastic so no reason to change. i could care less about rgb. especially at that price
Do those fans fit on a normal radiator with the connectors on the side where the fittings are ???
I can not find a video about this and I think that even the 90 degree connector is to big to fit on the side where the fittings are on a radiator.
If I look to my radiators, fans and how close they are next to the outports of the radiator, I think it will NOT fit.
Having a big connector on the end of the fan is going to add to the overall length and may clash with some case installations. Can’t say it like this design or cost.
Honestly the prices on almost everything computer related are getting WAY out of hand, particularly motherboards, fans, GPUs, $ RGB stuff. Prices have almost tripled in some cases.
The problem is that people are buying it.
People pay a huge premium for colorful lights, and manufacturers learned that.
We wouldn't have AIO coolers with displays on them unless people were paying that premium.
$5 fans will always exist. But if you want lights you've got to do it yourself, or pay the price.
@@volvo09 until people start saying too much is too much and go back to basics.
@@ChrisWijtmans the basics are here right now, and always have been, you can get quality air coolers for under $50, and fans that don't break the bank for $5, but people are buying this "showey" stuff and paying that premium. They are also buying 4090's when they don't need them, just because it's flashy.
I don't disagree with the people buying it, it's their choice, their money, but they are certainly buying it.
I laughed my butt off at the new AIO cooler shown at computex (can't remember who made it, but it was shown on GN) with a cell phone sized screen on it. People WILL buy that thing, and are probably begging for when it's available. Those sales are creating a market for designer PC parts, it's "computer jewlery".
Between fans, power supplies and monitors things are crazy. It's an aggravating feeling you get when you know things are vastly overpriced. I'm at the point in my life where I stay away from certain brands now because they have gotten greedy. I speak with my wallet and not with my wants. It's not that I can't afford them, it's just the principle.
Monitors are cheap. Look at the best selling Amazon monitors, no name chinese monitors that work very well.
People that go for the big brands are paying a lot for cutting edge features and the branding. In fact, I just ordered a $1200 Samsung 49" monitor because I was willing to pay the price, but I could get a decent Chinese ultra wide for $300 or $400 US if I was on a budget. A good no-name 27" 1440p with 100Hz using a VA panel is not expensive at all and 1080p costs even less.
It's like buying a porsche and complaining that cars are over-priced.
This is cool stuff, having just rearranged some items in my case, the power and LED separate wires to chain and maintain is a PITB, just wish all of these were not vendor proprietary items which also then allows them to price them high and some of these type items are already $$$
hi howdy i like this new fans, is it compatible with my old corsair h150i rgb xt pro ? thansk matey
I was under the impression these prices were intended for SIs, which rolled into a $5K rig is fairly irrelevant. Perhaps the wholesale price is way less? seems pretty weird to buy fans that cost more than a CPU. Like if ure an SI you probably super love the lack of cable management etc.
Price won't change for retail. Companies are greedy and justify it with inflation and other stuff. Plus they say: "we have innovative solutions like RGB shizzle and connectors without cables."
Yeah... And so begins the race for the best and greatest fan - LianLi started it and now every company and their dog will follow.
Until the El-Cheapo knockoffs flood the market and everything gets cheaper.
Wouldn't surprise me if Corsair and other companies start to add Subscription services to their fans to buy profiles and curves you "need".
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I'll stick with my White EK Vardar fans and Phanteks Halo DRGB rings. Paying over 400 Bucks for FANS alone is just stupid.
@@Black3ternity I don't think fan companies could get away with subscription on fans (and watch this age horribly) because the difference between a $30+ corsair fan and a $5 aliexpress fan is not that big comparatively to other pc products
PSA: Just buy Arctic P12 PWM PST (120mm) or P14 PWM PST (140mm) fans. They're cheap, silent, and work very well. A steal at the price. You can even get them in a 5-piece value pack, and they also come in an ARGB variant (a little more expensive but still surprisingly cheap).
While I agree that P12 is the best price-performance fan, it’s not really silent. The sound of the motor itself (humming noise) when you hit 950-1000 rpm range is pretty noticeable.
@@humanity_3 I've heard people say that, but I have four of them in my case and I've never noticed it (and I certainly would have). I was thinking my fan speed curve must be preventing them from reaching that resonance frequency or something, but I just tried intentionally loading up my CPU so they would hit that range, and they were completely silent. Maybe not all P12s have that problem and I just got lucky? Not sure. It's also a fairly narrow RPM range that could be simply tuned out with a custom fan curve.
Either way, their price/performance makes them a no-brainer unless you have more money than you know what to do with.
Artic fans are the best, i bought 20/25 fans
Arctic fans are great for the money but as said before you can hear the motor a bit and also they don't last that long. All the Arctic fans I have started to have issues about 5 years after purchase. My Silent Wings 3 fans are like brand new and I had them since release, they also look nicer in my opinion.
@@NobbsAndVageneyou’re both right. There is that motor “noise” but it’s so damn quiet and similar to other general ambient noise that I still consider it silent. I can see nerds who need perfect unnatural silence saying that it’s loud though
One Fan @ $50 = R & D costs, OTE costs, production and assembly costs, fair & reasonable PROFIT ?, logistics costs, LOGISTICS CHANNEL MARKUP, TAXES, RETAILER MARKUP...
It would be interesting to know what the actual cost price is and what proportion of price gouging is being performed at each step of the path towards the consumer...
Love my deepcool 240mm aio, was around 120 and I can daisy chain the fans and pump
Hard pass on those prices lol 😂
0:09 I tried watercooling on my cat once; she was not a fan.
Consider Noctua was considered overpriced for years, but in hindsight, offer some of the best customer support for things like new platform mounting, replacement fans sent out if one develops a fault.
Then you have corsair....
More proprietary junk.
Overpriced products that feel cheap.
RMA service takes forever, and you're expected to pay shipping for a return.
I miss when corsair just made RAM, PSUs, and AiOs, and that was it. Now they've diversified so much that all of it is rubbish.
Thanks for the very honest review, I share your thoughts about the price of these products, it is very expensive indeed.
Picked up 4x Thermaltake Toughfan 12's made from SLP (the new fancy plastic) the other day for £48 and they're fantastic. No RGB admittedly but 4 top performing fans for less than 1x Corsair fan.
I also question why the fan side connector isn't a right angle connector considering how far out it sticks which will probably cause compatibility issues
If you run the AOI with extra fans on the same connection it goes into safe mode. Jays2 cents did a review on these yesterday and had a fan not light and put it into safety mode.
Well, I was in needing of two fans today and I bought two Noctua Redux. Top performance, quiet and very energy efficient, they check all the boxes for me. I find them at € 15.
Of course Corsair have done a great job but I can only see them in show off builds, not in an everyday system
I, too, am willing to spend money when the value justifies the cost... I also feel the price of these a bit much, for what it is. I think they will likely reduce the price over time, as it will not sell well at that level. I'm excited for what this product brings, but I wouldn't take it at that price 😕
Gotta love arctic! Good products and good prices! Bought some p12 Max for 8.9€, can’t beat that.
No rgb but yeah.. good performance
I just Placed an order for the 420mm. Reason being it looks easy to install and has less wires. My build will certainly look good.
Thanks for bringing this up to my attention. As someone who's about to make a new budget rig in a bequiet! case, fans were a big consideration to me and it's nice to know that i was right in thinking that fans are getting overpriced and it wasn't my imagination. I don't think i can ever tell myself personally that paying 20€+ is worth it for a fan, let alone 50€. I know i'm in the minority here though, especially with companies such as Noctua having their deserved praises and market, but RGB and noise in a PC that's on the floor and out of my bedroom will never be an issue for me. Also that cat deserves all the treats!
I spend a ton on computer parts! Wanted to grab these as soon as they came out, but when I saw the price I definitely didn’t pull the trigger. I am excited the industry is headed in this direction. Would love to see BeQuiet jump into this with their silent wings pro. I want performance fans that have the benefit of no cables for a price closer to $30/fan
I bought 9 lian lee uni 2 fans. About 90 when I bought them normal price for a 3 pack ( I got them half price because I'm not an idiot).
I built a full "iCue" PC a few years back and redid the cables on all of the fans (PWM and RGB) to make them modular, to minimize as much as possible all of the cable runs. Included building my own perfectly sized splitter cables etc.
In retrospect, I wouldn't go through that effort again (many, many hours), and if I wanted an iCue PC with stealth cabling, I'd just buy these. (Custom loop)
That said, I do agree with the sentiment that they're really expensive. My latest build just uses black fans and takes lighting from other components...
Accessories prices like this make me glad my PC is just a boring solid black panel box under my desk with near-zero RGB. (The only RGB in it is a handful of LEDs built into the motherboard which I have set to 'off' post-boot in BIOS.)
Just upgraded my system in November 2022 as I have 10 Fans in my system with the Elite AIO and I not sure it's worth it to change the fans now until my next system. I am fine with wires as I am a electrician and I play with wires 300+ days a year so what's a few more wires :)
I have no end of trouble with iCue, it runs in the background for a few minutes when I turn my PC on, and then just closes for no reason. Currently got a H150 AIO with LCD screen, and a set of Corsair Bluetooth headphones. Both both are controlled by iCue, and both stop working properly as soon as the software stops. 🤔
I think the gallahad 360 was the last prefab unit I bought before saying the hell with it and going custom loop. Do our own loop! Its more gratifying to do it yourself and cheaper in the long run.
Gonna have to disagree with you regarding it being cheaper, but I love my loop. At these prices, a custom loop almost makes more sense… but then again, I specced out a barebones 240mm EK loop (since I was curious about the price difference) and it came out to over $400 for just a CPU loop. Even Corsair’s insanely overpriced AIO costs less than that.
@@josephusedtobefredbarnes 502$ top to bottom for all my cooling. cpu block+gpu block+rad+fans+tubing/fittings and res/pump. I wasn't an impatient buy-it-now dummy paying everyday prices. I waited for sales and deals like the miser that I am. Well over half that for a decent AIO and its only cpu?! In the long run I will only ever have to replace an individual piece here or there rather than an entire unit and its fans, hub, etc. I change boards and go different cpu? Sure no problem... 50$ water block and have to bend another pair of tubes (Bought a 4 pack and only used 2 1/2). Oh a new GPU line? Same thing. The ONLY downside to skipping these prepackaged, you-get-what-we-tell-you, completely unique & proprietary units with operating software specific to that brand and only that brand... wait there is no downside because I get to choose what i want to add or subtract at any time. Sure I hafta get hands on and do some work once in awhile to keep my loop clean.
The increased cost concern is very valid.
Seems to be a double whammy of inflation driving costs up and potentially Corsair trying to recoup their R&D costs a little too quickly for a product stack that is really a consumer luxury commodity compared to “good enough cooling” from $15-20 fans already on the market.
Maybe Corsair can extend the R&D recoup time by another year or two and decrease the costs of the products! Just an idea cost accountants/mgmt!
I'm so glad I have my noctua fans for the last like 6 years. migrated 2 times into a new case, still good as new. actually one of them, the mighty p14 is from 2010 I guess..
It’s funny that the actual fan blades is smaller because the fancy led ring. I assume it will affect the cooling performance if compare with a standard one.
I also have a 4 yo pc with Corsair fans than are failing. They are no where near the most sturdy ones.
I have a ASUS corsair build, but with my next all new build I will ditch both of them. I seriously like the Phanteks peripherals better then anything else. Did my second build in the Phanteks EVOLV X. Might choose the NV7 for my next build, it is looking really well with the D30 fans and their AIO.
love the thing you said about how often are you assembling your PC, people are not buying a car based on how easy it is to assemble or take apart, but on how it drives... get the better parts for cheaper. 400$ on fans alone you might as well go custom water cooling for a bit more money.
With a car, it´s considerable to take repairability into account - at least slightly. The longer, it will take to disassemble and reassemble parts in service, the more you´ll have to pay each time. It´s not like you´re going to disassemble it at home, right?
@@Morpheus-pt3wq you want a car with easily available parts and cheap, if the parts are expensive as hell or rare to come by it doesn't matter that it takes the mechanic 3h instead of 5 for a fix. also even with a car i assume you are not at the mechanic every week (maybe if you drive an alfa) . I'm just sayin that people sometimes use that excuse of easy to assemble to justify a higher price even tho Joe random is gonna put together his PC and probably not touch it again for the next 2 years so the assembly time in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter.
Fan performance isn't going to be great, in terms of airflow-to-noise, at least. While lots of people might think that RGB is all about aesthetics, fans designed for RGB have a performance penalty. This is because that RGB ring eats into the space available for fan blades. So while these fans are in a 120mm chassis, from the disassembly it looks like there's about 10mm on each side allocated to the RGB ring + tolerances, compared to about 4mm I've measured as the gap on a Noctua 120mm fan. Might not sound much, but taking into account the fan hub, the Noctua fan blades would have something like 25% more area (assuming a circle can be used to approximate relative fan blade area, fan hub with 35mm diameter).
You are totally right. "Disc surface" corresponds to overall fan performance.
@@Wrublos212 I'd disagree, as per my stated assumptions. Blade density and design plays a big role too, but I'm no fan designer. However, if those things were equivalent, then the extra space for bigger blades of a non-RGB fan would make the non-RGB one better.
Unless you don't care about noise, in which case you might want a smaller fan - because at super-high RPM (10-15K), the tensile strength of materials can limit the size of the fan.
i think it is very expensive but when i compared it with getting a nzxt aio and lian li fans it was about the same price as getting the new link system. downside is no nzxt lcd but upside is your introduced into a new ecosystem
The connector isn't even low-profile/right-angle!?! How will you fit it in case?
I got 3 Thermaltake ARGB fans for £13. They blow air, aren't loud, have consistent colours and 5 minutes routing cables kept them neat. $160 is completely insane.
I would maybe consider this if I could also connect normal ARGB devices to it from my other parts such as CPU and GPU water block. I had that with my old Commander PRO, Lightning Node PRO setup with adapter cables.
0:50 top 10 anime betrayal moments right there. You won't believe number 2. Cat got bamboozled, swindled, had.
People who purchase top tier computer products normally don't go to RUclips for buying advice. The market will take care of the price if it's too high. My Lian Li Infinity Mirror 3-packs @ release sure weren't dirt cheap, but if I had a budget issue there are a ton of alternatives.
I think it is an amazing idea, but maybe a bit overdone if the price needs to be that high. I agree though. I went gung-ho since EKWB had clearance items on my current pc, I think I spent around 400 on just the gpu side, since I did that first. If I accounted for just a 240 and 140 for the cpu loop, I would have spent maybe 100 dollars more, and my temps would still be way below their AIO. I was using an EVGA 360 with EK Furious Meltelmi's on it. 9900k at 5.2Ghz would stabilize around 78-82 if I recall right, and that was max fan. With a magnitude block I'm getting 69 max in Aida64 with same overclock. Same ambient temps. It just moves heat so much better with that flow rate, and obviously high performance fans.
I just bought into the eco system and the prices for extra cables where 20 usd but all out of stock finally we get a extension cable for the extension fans and the iCUE LINK Cable 100mm Black is 50 usd … this is crazy
Too expensive for me but I also have to assume that a cable for each fan to connect to a standard 4pin header (as one might need/want to do in the future or just in a different application) is not included which is actually really bad at the price point
I purchased 3 cases of arctic 140 fans 10 years ago when I saw fan prices go above $8 . so the 32 fans were 90$ les than $3 a fan and they are super nice, high pressure for industrial radiator thickness and 2000 rpm. No rgb but you can chain them together with the dual pwm connectors.
Love the RGB tabby
Roman, I agree on spending on technical benefiting features like the AlphaCool Metal Framed Fans that lowered the noise thresh-hold and allow you to push the RPM of the fans to higher levels for more AirFlow for the same Noise levels.
But silly superficial stuff like RGB Lighting isn't worth the money IMO.
I'd rather trade all those features for something more beneficial like a "MagLev" hub + Metal Framed Fans + Silicone Vibration dampening O-Rings
Or bring back "Tip Magnetic Drive" and modernize it with Metal Frame Fan + "MagLev" hub + modern Closed Ring Fan designs
There are ALOT of things you can do to make a good fan, things that don't involve "RGB"
That fan connector needs to come in a tight 90 degree or be very flexible. Having two 360 rads in a mid tower case would be difficult with the straight connector sticking out
I wish we could just add a 5th pin to the fan header to carry the WS2812B LED standard. It'd make the fans and headers backwards and forwards compatible (albeit without the stupid lights) and keep it down to 1 cable per fan.
I also think it's really expensive. but I clean my 2 radiators and custom loop every 6 months and the most annoying part is dealing with all the wires of the 9 QL140 fans I have. so I may get these just to cut down on all the wires.
I spent $400CAD in December for an H150 Capellix, 3 ML120, and a Thermalright aRGB fan because I didn't want to have to buy an additional iCue hub.
That was already a bit much, but then again it was my first build in over 10 years, so I splurged.
To update to the new Link stuff, a 360 AIO with 4 additional fans, it would cost me $720CAD with tax...
No way in hell I'm paying those prices.
If I was building now, I would just go with a Noctua air cooler and fans, which is still expensive, but so much cheaper than this.
Or for even cheaper, a Thermalright PA120SE air cooler and aRGB fans for less than $100CAD...
Wow! It glows. Just what a fan needs to do.
This is an opportunity to explore fans from NMB, Delta, DC-Centaur and many server & workstation fan providers. The PWM control has come a long way that you can simply limit their max rpm by editing the fan curve on Rem0o's fan control (like 80~90% speed below 99°C), the server fans comes with much better dynamic balancing, and sturdier bearings since they are designed to run constantly on 3000rpm or faster, yet sold cheaper than those flashy PC fans, I've heared that some PC fans even comes with obsolete bearing designs
Edit: server fans might be too extreme for average user, look for PWM/4-pin workstation fans, sizes in 12025, 12038, 14025 & 14038
Server fans also have 0 consideration for noise.
What about noise? Or you´re already deaf?
@@Zanpaa Noise is your misconception. The bearing noise comes from worn bearings, and air noise comes from high rpm fan blades, that's why I said to lower the rpm where yu feel acceptable
@@Morpheus-pt3wq Watch your language, or are you having speech disability?
For noise considerations, if your usage is gaming, just limit the max rpm by fan curve, you'll find that these workstation fans being quieter than some of the Noctua fans
The Maglev fans were $20-$25 usd a few years ago and I thought that was nuts..
For me, It's DIY and cable manage the situation or buy a pre-made PC if you hate to deal with it or lack the expertise.
The situation can also be simplified to the following: How much do you get paid at work for 30 min? If its more than the difference in price to regular premium fans, it might be worth it. Even so, I'd rather handle a few cables in my PC, as for me it's a passion and I guess the same is true for you, if you are watching this channel.
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Love that ginormous orange slug laying on your desk 🐈
arent there some lianli with an display built in, priced 200 bucks a piece or something?
What’s the max TDP cooling ability of this AIO?
The length of the 6-pin and USB connects seem like they could be longer. It seems like you're going to need to cable manage around to the back and then you're going to have this hugely long cable that doesn't need to exist going to the fans. Or maybe I'm missing something.
Overall, like most people the cost really isn't in-line with the product itself. The link product line is awesome and saves a ton on cable management, if you've used before. But it's not something you see, or should want to point out. It's something you'll quietly impress people with.
Markets everywhere are out of whack though. Prices for the smallest products are sometimes competing for the price of the completed products they are already in. It makes no sense. Not to say that's happening here. Although, you could buy a cheap computer for that price (once again).
Hope their PSU come with the cable to power this so we could coonect it directly to the PSU. Also wonder if they are gonna make PSU with this software? Like to monitor power consuption and PSU temps aswell as RGB for it's fan and maybe accents.
Hey I have 6 of them in my system and there great cooling is wonderful well worth the money so easy to hook up
This is why I’ve been buying Thermalright fans. Noctua quality and performance for half the price. $12 a pop for the B12 which is a direct competitor to the A12x25.
Great innovation and I know there were likely high R&D costs, but no chance I’d pay those prices. £30 max for a top end fan and no more than £250 for a 360 aio and I’d be expecting an lcd screen in that price.
I’d guess we’ll see these on sale around Christmas and sadly will be 2nd or 3rd gen before the the price point is acceptable for most :(