THANK YOU this has been one of the best tutorial videos on using the Lishi Cutter Now I've got to get a set of those PROXLOCK cutting guides. And Yes I do both KW and Schlage. I am the in house Locksmith for two different Property Managers. So I'm still learning a lot.
A 21st century take on the old school depth key sets... not a bad idea at all. Quite a bit quicker than the dial caliper, scribe, and chainsaw file method of the 80s, lol
Nice demonstration of the clipper. Handy.. difficult without the correct plastic guides. So, your question.... I've never seen a 'Quickset and very limited numbers of 'Schlage'. The Schl' I have played with recently had 4x barrel security pins and 1 standard. What I did not like was the die-cast alloy body... never do. Do the Quickies have a security flaw? So.. can't really say. It's a regional thing - Here in Australia, for years the market leaders have been Lockwood.. Lane is another. You find plenty of no name stuff that comes with budget and mid Door Furniture. But finding die-cast while doin' a key alike across a home.. Ugghh. so, 12 barrels... 4 were decent serviceable Lockwood brass at least.
I use the Pro-Lok Blue-Punch #BP-201 for conventional Schlage keys... Standard key depth gauges to take direct key measurements & record those key codes from the direct key measurements for future record... Notably to originate duplicate keys without having a physical key in possession. The Pro-Lok Blue-Punch key machine does not require electricity, is calibrated at the factory for both cut depth & spacing, in function - automatically advances to the next cut once the lever is pulled and a cut has been produced. works for most [Schlage] conventional keys up to 6-pin. For other manufactures (such as Kwikset) additional Blue-Punch key machines must be acquired that have been set up for those particular manufactures or makes, due to the differences in depth & spacing specifications. Not a bad tool for the institutional locksmith that only services one particular manufacture brand or type of key & lock system.
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 I use mine to cut my own keys by code number. I have a D-Family Everest Restricted Primus-XP Key System and as a Schlage Factory Registered End-User, I also have exclusive control over my restricted key inventories, from which is only available directly from the Schlage factory in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
What about doing it the traditional old school just with the file working on the vise? No special tools just show that you know how to do it in emergencies this is just a comment thank you
It’s appreciated that you can show and tell everyone about your nice cutting pliers and I don’t mean any disrespect but how did you find out the key code to begin with. Knowing ahead the key code is 34477 doesn’t do anyone any good if you don’t explain how you came to the conclusion that was the code. Anyone can use a pair of pliers but they’re no good if you don’t show an example of how you determine what it is if you have no key to begin with. It would be very educational to understand how one discovers the code when it’s unknown. Thanks. Cool pliers.
You can also decode the lock with a lishi, but in the beginning of this video, I mention that we got the bitting info from the rekey video and this video supplements this one- kinda like a continuation of that video on how to rekey a new lock
I tried a couple times today to copy a key by using a vise grip to pair them and nipping. The target lock is a cutaway practice lock so I can see the result. Threw away 2 failed attempts. I've seen this work, but I think it takes a bit of practice.
Using the plastic guides is best. I have also tried just trying to duplicate but never works. Using the jigs as seen in this video works 100% of time, although sometimes not buttery smooth but works
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 I was looking for them, Bosnian Bill makes a set but they were pricey and out of stock. I think I will try nipping again and then check with my calipers to see which way I err. I bought the dang nippers on a whim, never really needed them, and don't want the money wasted! When I pick up a hobby, anything worth doing is worth overdoing. I tried impressioning one night. That was another failed blank .
@@WRWhizard Here is ebay link. They are sorta pricey, and I do not have any association with this product other than using them. www.ebay.com/usr/proxlock if you have a 3d printer, you can print them, not sure if you need to modify them as I haven't printed any yet www.thingiverse.com/thing:5163333
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 Thank you, I will bookmark these. But I really ought not spend this kind of money on a side hobby. Wish my little brother was still alive, he would 3D print them for me.
@@WRWhizard Impressioning takes a lot of practice and there are so many little tricks. if you don't know them all it's so easy to fail. That was my specialty. If you can find old Hank Spicer books he is the guy that I learned most of my skills from. Nobody ever did it better than Hank.
sorry for the delay, here is the Schlage guide- www.ebay.com/itm/265214859069?hash=item3dc009973d:g:36IAAOSwGc1g4I3i Search ebay also for Lishi cutters
Damn I am getting old. I have had it probably 35 years. When I bought it everyone was using 1200’s. I met Frank (the inventor) at locksmith seminars and he sold me on it.
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 Back in the day Steve formally of Tech Train went around country usually with Frank from Framon and a guy from The Locksmith Ledger. They gave great auto locksmith seminars. They had people come in from Strattec and many other auto lock tool and suppliers. Frank showed us why his machine was superior to the HPC 1200's. He explained that when we cut keys sometimes the key turns fine clockwise but could be tight CCW and or vice versa. On most key machines for standard keys the cutter wheel comes up at an angle. If a lock has tight tolerances it can cause the issue I mentioned. Frank was a machinist and also a cabinet maker. He was anal about tolerances. On his machine you make all your adjustments first and pull the carriage straight into the key on a 90* angle. On a 1200 you are making depth adjustment on the fly while it comes up at an angle. I think you also widen the cuts on the fly. You don't have to widen cuts on the F2 either. The Framon 2 looked very complicated but once I cut a few keys it was very easy and no cards to worry about. Most guys who have 1200's love them and that's OK too. They work but to me not as well as the Framon's. Being an automotive only locksmtih I always told people I was horrible at picking locks but I could make a key with a file and a vice grip. I was really good at impressioning back when had to have that skill. Now everything is a PITA driven by technology. Programmers and CNC key machines lol but we do it all. We run about 90 to sometimes 150 auto calls per week believe it or not.
@@scotts4125 agreed! I’m mostly automotive and agree that the computer systems are getting more complicated. Thank god for lishi! I would love to improve my impression skill. But you can’t impression high security 4 track keys, that I’m aware of
You should if your a locksmith. But this video is targeted towards cutting a key on spot like when you decode a kwikset smart key lock with the scope- but it’s nice having a variety of tools that can accomplish the same thing
Also you could tell them, you need a code cut key to what ever the pin number (bottom pins) are. The pins in the video are called the bottom pin numbers. Also if you look at your key, you may see numbers on it. Those numbers are either a code or bitting so you can cut your own or give to a locksmith
THANK YOU this has been one of the best tutorial videos on using the Lishi Cutter
Now I've got to get a set of those PROXLOCK cutting guides.
And Yes I do both KW and Schlage. I am the in house Locksmith for two different Property Managers. So I'm still learning a lot.
Nice video! I have the Klom set, I have never used it. Now I want to order the 3d printed sets and keep them in my personal vehicle. Thank you!
A 21st century take on the old school depth key sets... not a bad idea at all. Quite a bit quicker than the dial caliper, scribe, and chainsaw file method of the 80s, lol
@Will Hike in my case it was located at 42nd st and broadway
Nice demonstration of the clipper. Handy.. difficult without the correct plastic guides.
So, your question.... I've never seen a 'Quickset and very limited numbers of 'Schlage'.
The Schl' I have played with recently had 4x barrel security pins and 1 standard. What I did not like was the die-cast alloy body... never do. Do the Quickies have a security flaw? So.. can't really say.
It's a regional thing - Here in Australia, for years the market leaders have been Lockwood.. Lane is another. You find plenty of no name stuff that comes with budget and mid Door Furniture. But finding die-cast while doin' a key alike across a home.. Ugghh. so, 12 barrels... 4 were decent serviceable Lockwood brass at least.
Kwikset and Schlage are the most common lock used in USA. The tolerance on kwikset is low but Schlage is better.
I use the Pro-Lok Blue-Punch #BP-201 for conventional Schlage keys... Standard key depth gauges to take direct key measurements & record those key codes from the direct key measurements for future record... Notably to originate duplicate keys without having a physical key in possession. The Pro-Lok Blue-Punch key machine does not require electricity, is calibrated at the factory for both cut depth & spacing, in function - automatically advances to the next cut once the lever is pulled and a cut has been produced. works for most [Schlage] conventional keys up to 6-pin. For other manufactures (such as Kwikset) additional Blue-Punch key machines must be acquired that have been set up for those particular manufactures or makes, due to the differences in depth & spacing specifications. Not a bad tool for the institutional locksmith that only services one particular manufacture brand or type of key & lock system.
yes! The blue punches are great!!! Way better and accurate than a lishi cutter with jigs. I do not have the blue punch anymore, i should get one tho!
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 I use mine to cut my own keys by code number. I have a D-Family Everest Restricted Primus-XP Key System and as a Schlage Factory Registered End-User, I also have exclusive control over my restricted key inventories, from which is only available directly from the Schlage factory in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
@@christopherlawler3033 very cool!! I was thinking of doing restricted key ways, but i am mostly automotive
Blue punch worth it s weight in gold.
I like the lishi nippers but I think the Klom nippers are more robust. Those proxlock guides are nice addition for jic situations. Thanks for sharing!
I use sfic 7 pin with pivot hinges
What about doing it the traditional old school just with the file working on the vise? No special tools just show that you know how to do it in emergencies this is just a comment thank you
I have a video showing how I make a file cabinet key
It’s appreciated that you can show and tell everyone about your nice cutting pliers and I don’t mean any disrespect but how did you find out the key code to begin with. Knowing ahead the key code is 34477 doesn’t do anyone any good if you don’t explain how you came to the conclusion that was the code. Anyone can use a pair of pliers but they’re no good if you don’t show an example of how you determine what it is if you have no key to begin with.
It would be very educational to understand how one discovers the code when it’s unknown. Thanks. Cool pliers.
In previous video I made how to rekey a lock, we pinned up a cylinder with those pins
You can also decode the lock with a lishi, but in the beginning of this video, I mention that we got the bitting info from the rekey video and this video supplements this one- kinda like a continuation of that video on how to rekey a new lock
Here is that video by the way where we got the pinning info to cut key ruclips.net/video/aso2eCBoWp0/видео.html
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 Maybe put that link in the description?
I tried a couple times today to copy a key by using a vise grip to pair them and nipping. The target lock is a cutaway practice lock so I can see the result. Threw away 2 failed attempts. I've seen this work, but I think it takes a bit of practice.
Using the plastic guides is best. I have also tried just trying to duplicate but never works. Using the jigs as seen in this video works 100% of time, although sometimes not buttery smooth but works
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 I was looking for them, Bosnian Bill makes a set but they were pricey and out of stock. I think I will try nipping again and then check with my calipers to see which way I err. I bought the dang nippers on a whim, never really needed them, and don't want the money wasted! When I pick up a hobby, anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
I tried impressioning one night. That was another failed blank .
@@WRWhizard Here is ebay link. They are sorta pricey, and I do not have any association with this product other than using them.
www.ebay.com/usr/proxlock
if you have a 3d printer, you can print them, not sure if you need to modify them as I haven't printed any yet
www.thingiverse.com/thing:5163333
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 Thank you, I will bookmark these. But I really ought not spend this kind of money on a side hobby. Wish my little brother was still alive, he would 3D print them for me.
@@WRWhizard Impressioning takes a lot of practice and there are so many little tricks. if you don't know them all it's so easy to fail. That was my specialty. If you can find old Hank Spicer books he is the guy that I learned most of my skills from. Nobody ever did it better than Hank.
woah, crazy good video! Thanks for the upload. Im having trouble finding the proxlock 3d printed key cutter guide. any idea? thanks!
sorry for the delay, here is the Schlage guide- www.ebay.com/itm/265214859069?hash=item3dc009973d:g:36IAAOSwGc1g4I3i Search ebay also for Lishi cutters
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 no worries, thanks so much!
Buenos dias o noche cuanto vale ese kit para cortar las llaves estoy en venezuela saludos
Prices vary for different ones
www.ebay.com/usr/proxlock
Willis work for camper locks does the camper lock keys look totally different
They are different style of locks but if you dissemble the lock, it works same way
Personally I wouldn'y have put the key in the cylinder with getting the brass burrs off first
The lishi cutter doesn’t leave burrs behind
I don't think I will be giving up my Framon No.2 any time soon. :)
Nothing beats a code machine!
Damn I am getting old. I have had it probably 35 years. When I bought it everyone was using 1200’s. I met Frank (the inventor) at locksmith seminars and he sold me on it.
@@scotts4125 solid machine! I have a hpc 1200 cmb
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 Back in the day Steve formally of Tech Train went around country usually with Frank from Framon and a guy from The Locksmith Ledger. They gave great auto locksmith seminars. They had people come in from Strattec and many other auto lock tool and suppliers. Frank showed us why his machine was superior to the HPC 1200's. He explained that when we cut keys sometimes the key turns fine clockwise but could be tight CCW and or vice versa. On most key machines for standard keys the cutter wheel comes up at an angle. If a lock has tight tolerances it can cause the issue I mentioned. Frank was a machinist and also a cabinet maker. He was anal about tolerances. On his machine you make all your adjustments first and pull the carriage straight into the key on a 90* angle. On a 1200 you are making depth adjustment on the fly while it comes up at an angle. I think you also widen the cuts on the fly. You don't have to widen cuts on the F2 either. The Framon 2 looked very complicated but once I cut a few keys it was very easy and no cards to worry about. Most guys who have 1200's love them and that's OK too. They work but to me not as well as the Framon's. Being an automotive only locksmtih I always told people I was horrible at picking locks but I could make a key with a file and a vice grip. I was really good at impressioning back when had to have that skill. Now everything is a PITA driven by technology. Programmers and CNC key machines lol but we do it all. We run about 90 to sometimes 150 auto calls per week believe it or not.
@@scotts4125 agreed! I’m mostly automotive and agree that the computer systems are getting more complicated. Thank god for lishi! I would love to improve my impression skill. But you can’t impression high security 4 track keys, that I’m aware of
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i find the key cutter but i can not fine the pin shield - how we orde it where
The plug follower? Which pin shield do you mean?
Products name please
Part names please
Where can I get the plastic Key guides from
you can buy em on ebay or you can have them 3d printed
here is ebay link
www.ebay.com/usr/proxlock
How do i find they guides. Three d printed or not?
You can get them printed or buy em on eBay, I’ll send a link to both in a bit
i need to make duplicate key
can you help me please
What type of key? What tools do you have?
I mean its not that Hard if some cases if u can get the core apart or even re key or re cut a key using the pins u have
Trying to get into B&B LockSmith here in CAL there messing around so I might look else were for work
@@mccrackenphillip Come to Florida I am looking for an automotive locksmith. We will train.
Where can you get the pronlock?
www.ebay.com/itm/265214859069?hash=item3dc009973d%3Ag%3A36IAAOSwGc1g4I3i#vi__app-cvip-panel
@@thewhittierlocksmith121 thanks
Nice demo, but it sounded like there was a kitten in the background and I wish we'd seen it!
How do I get the code for the lock if I'm locked out of my house??
If you have a lishi pick/decoder that works with your keyway you pick then decode the lock pins
I prefer Schlage but I have both
Good idea, no need to spend a >1k to buy a machine.
You should if your a locksmith. But this video is targeted towards cutting a key on spot like when you decode a kwikset smart key lock with the scope- but it’s nice having a variety of tools that can accomplish the same thing
i cant find: "Proxlock 3D Printed Key Cutter guide" anywhere can you help? plz
They are on eBay
can find them @@thewhittierlocksmith121
For the love of god, do not repeat again and again what you are going to do. Just do it.
I like the repeated instructions, its how I learn myself.
EZPZ...........................................................!
Why do you keep repeating not a child here
so the concepts stick
🟥 I used to have a kit like that but I lost it in a boating accident
Sucks!!
thanks so so so so much for the help🥰 could i just say the pin numbers to the key maker or do i have to diy my own key 🥲
you can tell him the poin numbers, but we call these "depths" or the bitting. A locksmith would understand those terms better.
Also you could tell them, you need a code cut key to what ever the pin number (bottom pins) are. The pins in the video are called the bottom pin numbers. Also if you look at your key, you may see numbers on it. Those numbers are either a code or bitting so you can cut your own or give to a locksmith