One tip: Once you have assembled a set of bump keys, you should make multiple extra copies of each one prior to filing them down. That way if you mess one up, you still have backups. Also, when I took my bump keys to Home Depot to be reproduced, their digital machine would not make them. The machine apparently recognized what they are. I subsequently went to a small hardware store and had them hand cut with no questions. Keep your original bump keys separate and marked as "originals." Only use the copies. Keep the originals as masters.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Home Depot had an electronic key cutting machine. It apparently recognized the bitting as being that of a bump key and would not reproduce it.
Man thats messed up! They shouldve made them regardless of bitting. Like saying sorry you cant have this crow bar as ya might rip open doors…. Better, sorry cant have this pair of bolt cutters because ya might cut locks😳🫣
Great video I think you missed a very important part to use while bumping if you put a plastic or metal washer on the key first it stops the ring from being split by the key make the rings last much longer 👍🏻
Cool video - I invented this technique (and can prove that if anyone really cares) but I would suggest using a larger Dampener -more of a grommet type ring - because then you can turn it while striking the key and you don't need to worry about getting the turning timing right. It also makes sense to have a selection of different width Dampeners so you can be sure to have many combinations to get the correct depth. required for whatever lock you're bumping.
Thanks for demonstrating this; I have the “standard” shoulder-filed-back bump keys but noticed the bump ring getting pushed off that angle. Awesome to see that the missing link is just some extra filing!
it dont have to just be o-rings there is tons of regular plumbing or car rubber o-rings you can get in single or pack of just a couple that are basically the same thing
@@bradt7451 These bump hammers are designed to rebound back out of the way of the key. They work much better for shotgunning as he was demonstrating. Using a screwdriver handle or "dead blow hammer" just make you really work for it... You don't really need a lot of OOMPH, just a sharp quick blow, or a few. TIP OF THE DAY: TRY USING a flexible tension tool inserted through the head or bow of the key instead of using FINGER TENSION, until you are that good. IT FREEs UP THE MOVEMENT of the KEY and allows it to DO ITS THING. You even get twice the pin action... Once going in, and then again on the rebound coming back out of the keyway when shotgunning with a bounce ring... Give it a try. Wait till you see how well that works for you. Cheers and good luck, all
Very neat. I got my "rings" at a local farm store. Wish you had laid the 2 keys on top of each other to better see how much was filed off (don't worry I'll figure it out). Thanks for the video.
Ok this was slightly helpful. I need to file my bump keys. But they still didn't work without the bump ring. I tried both. I didn't wanna damage the kwikset lock. I definitely damaged pins trying as it doesn't like to lock and turn the cylinder to the right unless you wiggle or lift the rear pins with the key.
Dangerous in the wrong hands this. Someone used this to break into our home and made a video of inside it then when I was unaware and fought off guard I was shown the video because they were trying to get whatever they could on me to try and use against me this person is married to my aunty and she knew about it and covered up for him.
I have a key blank mate, but no idea how to cut keys. I watched your video on the MACS, So know you have a key cutter, is there anyway of making a bump key without having access to a key cutting machine? Cheers in advance.
I have videos of me doing this on RUclips 15 years ago. I don't think HLP was suggesting it was new - but it's new to people who haven't previously seen it.
Do you need to have a certain amount of teeth on your key and can you open any lock with that key or do you need to match the brand of the key and lock? Thanks!
rubber fruity circles, fun for party pranks, snack pranks and breakfast cereal lover pranks!!! figured i would go the less controversial route, maybe toy car replacement tires
@@HelpfulLockPicker i think you will like what i am gonna send you. i will also enclose a prepaid envelope, i bought a master lock 19 and i dont think you have picked one. it' of course, the collectable kind that are about the size of a 12 oz soda can. i wanted to let you have the first whack at it and once you pick it, you can end it back to me prepaid shipping so i can give it a go after you have had a successful few picks and ready to send it back. its suppose to ship out on the 15th and hopefully within a couple weeks after that, i will be hearing something from allpadlocks. there was a slight hang up on my initial order. i was selecting by brand, and chose american locks but for some reason going after 6 pin; it had shown up as 5 pin master locks, but after clearing up the the error; the invoice was submitted on the 5th and since they are being built by american lock to the pin cuts were customize and not factory set, will take 3-4 weeks, plenty of time to see something else to put in there. should be getting time for that 2nd shot on the vaccine, hope it goes well. be safe and take care.
It can definitely be a bit more rough however I have not personally broken a lock doing one. One thing that always makes me nervous is you never know if a lock has thin Master wafees which could flip and cause a problem
Hi HLP! I am a newbie question..I bought a set of bump keys from Sparrows, but how do I identify which lock model they belong to? Some do have some numbers printed on them while others do not. How do I know which bump key to use on which lock? Is there a table or site somewhere or a video that explains how to identify locks and their key ways???
@@HelpfulLockPickerI purchased the same set. There were two "sets" in the pack I bought. One is on a dog tag-style key ring/chain. None of them are labeled, though I can see the classic Kwikset and Schlage style in there. The other loose keys in the pack are labeled AR1, AR4, WK2 (5), WK2 (6), WR4, L1010, 1045, Y2, Y4, and 3 with just numbers (4, 8, 9) that look like Schlages, and a smaller one labeled "10" that looks to have a Schlage-style warding. I'm not familiar with most of these keys, though.
Google keyway types. Etsy seems to have a look lot of information on everything. Remember, most lock mechanism cylinders that are mass produced aren't too secure. Especially the lowest price ones. Yir tougher to pick locks are going to have different keyways and harder to find blanks. I recall that the 1979 Porsche had a huge key, almost like a wrench. Mercedes 5xx series of the same period were similar. Regardless of turning the cylinder, almost all newer vehicles have a fob "interrogator". They "immobilize" the vehicle and enable other security measures. All of those security features are becoming less expensive, more common and more complex.
I will start off by saying I have never tried. However, they can be raked. If you have the correct key cut the correct way there is no reason why you couldn't but it doesn't mean it would be easy. But the way sfic locks are designed that can prove challenging
You can call me drunk but this bump ring is like a way to get a newie beyond belief to be able to bump a lock that anyone is watching this video knows how to bump a lock Edit I'm sorry I may be drunk and little things bother me it just seems like this goes without saying I'm sorry You get a like anyway
I would like to thank you for showing us both of the methods you mentioned in the video, the bump key with the ring and the bump key without the ring and I would like to thank very truly much for telling us that we can use whatever method is best for us, the method with the ring or the method without the ring. I am not sure what I will use, but I'm leaning toward the rubber ring method, but I may go without. It all depends on all of the factors concerned with the totality of circumstances at the time.
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One tip: Once you have assembled a set of bump keys, you should make multiple extra copies of each one prior to filing them down. That way if you mess one up, you still have backups. Also, when I took my bump keys to Home Depot to be reproduced, their digital machine would not make them. The machine apparently recognized what they are. I subsequently went to a small hardware store and had them hand cut with no questions. Keep your original bump keys separate and marked as "originals." Only use the copies. Keep the originals as masters.
I was able to duplicate mine at Lowe's. One thing it's not going to do though is cut down the tip but you might have to file it
@@HelpfulLockPicker Home Depot had an electronic key cutting machine. It apparently recognized the bitting as being that of a bump key and would not reproduce it.
Great advice !
Man thats messed up! They shouldve made them regardless of bitting. Like saying sorry you cant have this crow bar as ya might rip open doors…. Better, sorry cant have this pair of bolt cutters because ya might cut locks😳🫣
Great video I think you missed a very important part to use while bumping if you put a plastic or metal washer on the key first it stops the ring from being split by the key make the rings last much longer 👍🏻
thank you for sharing this tip
@@HelpfulLockPicker that why were here isn’t it to help people get the best out of lockpicking 👍🏻
Can you share the product name or sku?
@@kyleavitt for what bud ?
So not a Jelly donut then?! I’ve never tried bump keys but love the idea - nicely presented
Thanks for checking it out. They are fun 😄
Cool video - I invented this technique (and can prove that if anyone really cares) but I would suggest using a larger Dampener -more of a grommet type ring - because then you can turn it while striking the key and you don't need to worry about getting the turning timing right. It also makes sense to have a selection of different width Dampeners so you can be sure to have many combinations to get the correct depth. required for whatever lock you're bumping.
Thank you for sharing your tips with this!
@@HelpfulLockPicker A pleasure. You're 'helpful' angle rubbed off on me.
Thanks for demonstrating this; I have the “standard” shoulder-filed-back bump keys but noticed the bump ring getting pushed off that angle. Awesome to see that the missing link is just some extra filing!
Thanks for checking it out and I am glad it helps!
I hope that ring wasn't used for its other purpose before you bumped with it!
Nope, it was new out of the bag!
Pleas tell me what is it
Never mind
Amazon prime under 10 bucks. No pun intended.
Thanks for sharing
This is indeed a handy video! Well explained and straight forward information. Thank you!
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it was helpful for you :-)
Laborious and advantageous, I see you got that word of the day calendar for Christmas
Thanks for sharing
Excellent video. I was wondering why I was having trouble with using bump keys with the rings. Very helpful. Thanks!
thanks for checking it out and I'm glad it helped :-)
that donut makes it that much easier
Thank you for sharing
You can also use these rings on mouse traps to exterminate mice.
Oh my gosh so much cheaper to buy him that way
What are the depth for a bump key???
it dont have to just be o-rings there is tons of regular plumbing or car rubber o-rings you can get in single or pack of just a couple that are basically the same thing
thank you for sharing
fuel injector o-rings
Bro I just heard a s*x pin lock 💀
A guy I work with uses a small spring, swears by it and never seen it not work.
Thanks for sharing
that's nuts
👍
Technically it’s not nuts
Ring or multiple rings are KEY😝🤷🏼. Great demonstration man!
It always looks so easy in the videos. I’ve never had any success close to what’s in this video
It could be technique or just the lock. It's certainly something that can be done :-)
I believe it but I have a bump hammer similar to yours and it feels cheap and like plastic. It doesn’t have any “oomph” behind it
@@bradt7451 These bump hammers are designed to rebound back out of the way of the key. They work much better for shotgunning as he was demonstrating. Using a screwdriver handle or "dead blow hammer" just make you really work for it... You don't really need a lot of OOMPH, just a sharp quick blow, or a few. TIP OF THE DAY: TRY USING a flexible tension tool inserted through the head or bow of the key instead of using FINGER TENSION, until you are that good. IT FREEs UP THE MOVEMENT of the KEY and allows it to DO ITS THING. You even get twice the pin action... Once going in, and then again on the rebound coming back out of the keyway when shotgunning with a bounce ring... Give it a try. Wait till you see how well that works for you. Cheers and good luck, all
@@bradt9350 you sound pretty knowledgeable. I’m very curious now.
@@bradt9350 can you PM me? I’m interested in more details
Very neat. I got my "rings" at a local farm store. Wish you had laid the 2 keys on top of each other to better see how much was filed off (don't worry I'll figure it out). Thanks for the video.
Thanks for checking it out and I wish you luck on your modifications!
These look like fuel injector o-rings
How about "0" rings for the hardware store?
I don't see why it wouldn't work the principal would be the same
We call them o rings too. We use them on our racking systems in the warehouse to stop the divider arms coming out of the horizontals.
The castration bands have a stiffer sturdier rubber and bounce back differently.
@@justindunlap1235 Thanks!
You know what bro? I LOVE YOU!
Locksmith Apprentice.
You got his idea from scam school guy
Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Castration rings
I wish I knew about these rings before I met my ex Mrs
Thanks for sharing
@@HelpfulLockPicker 🤣🤣 if you want a little more sharing, I'll give you her phone number?
Do you have to file or cut the points on your bump key? Or is it just a standard blank key?
I take full credit lol.
Thank you
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Thanks for checking it out 😀
Awesome information! Thanks!
"What is this"
C'mon, it's obviously a lifesaver candy... How bout a real challenge! (didn't actually watch the video)
Thanks for being honest
If you know someone with a pinball machine,they can give you a couple of these rubber rings. They are used on the post in a pinball machine .
Thank you for sharing
Only could buy a pack of a 100. Not sure that I need 100 bump keys but hey! I got some spare rings😂
Lol
Dang! Castration rings???? I am sure the sheep 🐑🐑🐑 would like locksmiths to use the all up!
thank you for sharing
Mmm donuts
What’s up, Homer?
thanks for checking out my Donuts
They are also called o rings, available in thousands of sizes. From hardware store or bearing supplier.
That's not an O-ring 😂
That is an ELASTRATOR livestock castration band
Ok this was slightly helpful. I need to file my bump keys. But they still didn't work without the bump ring. I tried both. I didn't wanna damage the kwikset lock. I definitely damaged pins trying as it doesn't like to lock and turn the cylinder to the right unless you wiggle or lift the rear pins with the key.
Glad you are getting closer
Can anyone show me the differences between KW-10 & KW1 up close
If you me an email I can send you some pictures. One is 5 pin and the other is 6 pin for one
Looks Like an erectile disfunction device which i (i mean someone i knew) used a few years back.
Thanks for sharing
Dangerous in the wrong hands this. Someone used this to break into our home and made a video of inside it then when I was unaware and fought off guard I was shown the video because they were trying to get whatever they could on me to try and use against me this person is married to my aunty and she knew about it and covered up for him.
People are not supposed to use this on locks in use or ones they don't own
I have a key blank mate, but no idea how to cut keys. I watched your video on the MACS, So know you have a key cutter, is there anyway of making a bump key without having access to a key cutting machine? Cheers in advance.
Yes, you can hand file them Look up a video on that topic. I think "Darl Arts Lock Picking" (DALP) did one
Being from Saskatchewan, or Cattle Country, these are readily available and inexpensive. I bought a bag two years ago and still have 90 left.
Thanks for sharing! I dont go through too many myself
Lol if you know their real name those rings are really cheap. 👀🙌
Lol
Not a new technique...
Here's a video from 6 years ago.
ruclips.net/video/rDju9bBFvA4/видео.html
Thanks for sharing
I have videos of me doing this on RUclips 15 years ago. I don't think HLP was suggesting it was new - but it's new to people who haven't previously seen it.
how do you tell if you need to turn the key clockwise or counter clockwise?
If it is a deadbolt you turn away from the frame. You just sort of know after enough locks
Do you need to have a certain amount of teeth on your key and can you open any lock with that key or do you need to match the brand of the key and lock? Thanks!
You need the key to match the keyway
Can you do it with couple of different locks ?
Yes
This is some awesome thxs for the simple info what bitting is a bump key.? Is it a 9 cut all the way?
It is whatever the "maximal depth" of the lock is. Schlage is 9, Kwikset is 7, American Lock is 8 for example
rubber fruity circles, fun for party pranks, snack pranks and breakfast cereal lover pranks!!! figured i would go the less controversial route, maybe toy car replacement tires
LOL, thanks for checking it out :-) and I look forward to hearing from you once your locks come in
@@HelpfulLockPicker i think you will like what i am gonna send you. i will also enclose a prepaid envelope, i bought a master lock 19 and i dont think you have picked one. it' of course, the collectable kind that are about the size of a 12 oz soda can. i wanted to let you have the first whack at it and once you pick it, you can end it back to me prepaid shipping so i can give it a go after you have had a successful few picks and ready to send it back. its suppose to ship out on the 15th and hopefully within a couple weeks after that, i will be hearing something from allpadlocks. there was a slight hang up on my initial order. i was selecting by brand, and chose american locks but for some reason going after 6 pin; it had shown up as 5 pin master locks, but after clearing up the the error; the invoice was submitted on the 5th and since they are being built by american lock to the pin cuts were customize and not factory set, will take 3-4 weeks, plenty of time to see something else to put in there. should be getting time for that 2nd shot on the vaccine, hope it goes well. be safe and take care.
That is a LiveSaver gummi candy sir.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you - I found some on eBay, 100ct for 5 bucks.
thanks for checking it out I'm glad you're able to find them
Can u make a video on how to hand file
I did make one. There are better videos out there on it but it is something that is fun to learn
Doesn't bumping a lock damage it as it's more aggressive than raking?
It can definitely be a bit more rough however I have not personally broken a lock doing one. One thing that always makes me nervous is you never know if a lock has thin Master wafees which could flip and cause a problem
@@HelpfulLockPicker That's a very good point.
How hard are you hitting it?
There is not much force needed
Nice video explaining bumping.
So, only standard pin locks?
my guess only for standard pin locks
You can bump locks with security pins it is just harder.
Great video. Thx !!
Thank you for the kind words!
"Machine Gun" Bumping
Thanks for checking it out 😀
Hi HLP! I am a newbie question..I bought a set of bump keys from Sparrows, but how do I identify which lock model they belong to? Some do have some numbers printed on them while others do not. How do I know which bump key to use on which lock? Is there a table or site somewhere or a video that explains how to identify locks and their key ways???
If the key fits the lock I would give it a try. Are they not labeled KW1, SC1, etc? I haven't looked at mine in a long time
@@HelpfulLockPickerI purchased the same set. There were two "sets" in the pack I bought. One is on a dog tag-style key ring/chain. None of them are labeled, though I can see the classic Kwikset and Schlage style in there.
The other loose keys in the pack are labeled AR1, AR4, WK2 (5), WK2 (6), WR4, L1010, 1045, Y2, Y4, and 3 with just numbers (4, 8, 9) that look like Schlages, and a smaller one labeled "10" that looks to have a Schlage-style warding.
I'm not familiar with most of these keys, though.
Google keyway types. Etsy seems to have a look lot of information on everything. Remember, most lock mechanism cylinders that are mass produced aren't too secure. Especially the lowest price ones. Yir tougher to pick locks are going to have different keyways and harder to find blanks. I recall that the 1979 Porsche had a huge key, almost like a wrench. Mercedes 5xx series of the same period were similar. Regardless of turning the cylinder, almost all newer vehicles have a fob "interrogator". They "immobilize" the vehicle and enable other security measures. All of those security features are becoming less expensive, more common and more complex.
@@josephsteffen2378 yea I asked over a year ago since then I e been able to identify key ways and the profiles
Will this work on Best cylinders?
I will start off by saying I have never tried. However, they can be raked. If you have the correct key cut the correct way there is no reason why you couldn't but it doesn't mean it would be easy. But the way sfic locks are designed that can prove challenging
@@HelpfulLockPicker i find the double ball picks work well on Best cylinders
O rings
Thanks for shairng
Es un empaque
Gracias
Farmers can get them at the veterinary office or at most farm supply stores
thanks for sharing :-)
Great video and tip!!
Thanks for checking it out 😀
@@HelpfulLockPicker yessir!!
Also, _not_ using a ring will ensure that you bang up the keyway and shorten the life of your keys significantly.
Thanks for sharing
You can call me drunk but this bump ring is like a way to get a newie beyond belief to be able to bump a lock that anyone is watching this video knows how to bump a lock
Edit I'm sorry I may be drunk and little things bother me it just seems like this goes without saying I'm sorry
You get a like anyway
Thanks for sharing
@@HelpfulLockPicker haha you said the same thing the last time I said something drunk
But I love you and I love lock picking
@@Vinlaell Standard Defensive Response... 2 to the body
I would like to thank you for showing us both of the methods you mentioned in the video, the bump key with the ring and the bump key without the ring and I would like to thank very truly much for telling us that we can use whatever method is best for us, the method with the ring or the method without the ring. I am not sure what I will use, but I'm leaning toward the rubber ring method, but I may go without. It all depends on all of the factors concerned with the totality of circumstances at the time.
thank you for the kind words and I am glad that seeing both methods help :-)
I prefer the orange ones.
thanks for sharing. What do you like more about them?
@@HelpfulLockPicker
The colour
🤣
@@BrettSucks lol
They are also pretty good to put on the HUK tubular picks to give the needles more tension.
thanks for sharing this tip!
@@HelpfulLockPicker
Yer welcome.