My Honest Thoughts on my Jubilee Episode: Is Being Fat a Choice? Fit Men vs Fat Men
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- By now, you've likely seen my appearance in Jubilee's Middle Ground: Is Being Fat a Choice? Fit vs Fat Men.
I wanted to give my honest thoughts of the episode and the many things that were discussed that day.
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having dr mike on this wouldve been sick
Omg YES replace Myron with him and it would have been a REALLY good discussion
Why have roid heads as "fit" men?
@@MaskedManMikeMD or greg doucette
@@wateryflavor1192 I feel like Greg is just out of the loop with all of this. From time to time it felt like he didn't understand the questions correctly. I don't think he had bad intentions with his answers.
Nah
Myron legit ruined what could've been some good conversations
I think its good to have opposing views and challenge ideologies
@@ren96706absolutely but, Myron felt very offensive on a show called middle ground. You can present your opposing view without talking over others or using harsh language. Felt like he hijacked or tried to Hijack the show.
@@ren96706 same here and i am all for it, but it needs to be done in a constructive matter in my opinion
@@ren96706 pure bigotry isnt "challenging ideologies"
@@MadaAkust0ye Myron says things bases off his insecurities rather than logic which isn’t the go to for arguments.
loudest in the room typically most ignorant, vice versa
myron has better results than you and is probably taller than you. Makes you a loser by default
In this case, the loudest in the room happened to be 100% correct.
Myron said facts the whole episode… I don’t care how loud he is… I listen to the words and being “nice” isn’t important to me when people refuse to look at themselves honestly
@@jpocallens6776 mehhh definitely not 100% lol
Female mindset. Grow a pair. I can tell you never went to the military
I have no idea why Myron was even chosen. This definitely proves the point that jubilee is looking for viral moment instead of actual conversation. Nothing he has ever said brought any actual discourse to a conversation
When having a debate you need to have someone who is on the opposite side and isn’t a pussy. Nothing he said was incorrect just useless shits like you can’t take criticism so get upset and we wonder why so many people are fat in the west where most people have your mindset. When it comes to life or death are you gonna choose the one that enables you or the one that is trying to help you? Myron is the helper
They obviously did it hoping for blow ups so they could make clips to get views.
There was literally conversation. Just because you disagree or no middle ground was achieved doesn't mean there wasn't conversation? People are too sensitive. Myron has his faults but he shared his perspectives and some of it was right.
@@xxRavaage Op is wrong, its not a conversation, its a discussion and discussions are supposed to be educational and logical, not emotional. Myron was completely out of line and he did not participate properly in the discussion. You have to try understanding your "opposition" not just dismiss everything they are saying. That is how a discussion works and that's what makes them useful. Opinions are formed better and can be changed. Everyones opinion is always flawed and there is always room for improvement.
Chosen for views, that's it
I love seeing fat people in the gym. There is nothing wrong with being fat, and obese people should be treated no differently than anyone else. Getting emotional over someone else being fat is insane. We need to encourage our fluffy brothers. You have a very balanced take, and your ability to sum up the other guest's arguments was great, keep it up man.
I think Myrons in the minority, just unfortunate he is also the loudest. Because what he says helps no one but his own ego
There is definitely something wrong with being fat. At least my brother has muscles under his and at least when I was obese I was the strongest in my year for 5 years straight. I lost weight because at one point I realize the fat jokes we're true. That women not only don't find yiu attractive, they get pushed away. So I put it at the top of my priority and lost the weight. It was hard.
I dont see why we should lie and say you are healthy despite being fat. All the fat members of my family can't jog, some can't jump, and even my brother has no stamina. It's just so fking sad and depressing. Imagine not being able to jump.... what kinda fking life is that... stop trying to dig this whole for people.
If I heard your nonsense a year ago when I was still in highschool I would probably have wasted that entire time being fat too. I was bad at sports because I was fat (easily fell over, couldn't jump high, had bad stamina), people thought I was scary because of how big I was, couldn't even wear a single school sweater till I was about to graduate and finally lost my weight. Girls generally found me unattractive. Once I was even hugged and the girl was like "you have bear gut..." I was absolutely cooked when I heard that. Just ignored it as usual and didn't take it to mind.but then things went down hill from there.
It's just how things are. Yes we shouldn't make them feel horrible for being fat, but lying to them and telling them being fat is healthy is just as bad.
@@putent9623no ones saying lie just there are better ways to get that point across than being a complete disrespectful asshat. imo biggest motivator for me is feeling and seeing the improvement in your health and stamina. which takes time
"There is nothing wrong with being fat" If thats true, gain 500 lbs of pure fat and cholesterol and quit going to the gym.
Oh wait you won't... Because you know being fat is BS
" There is nothing wrong with being fat" is the other end of the extreme
Myron sucks straight up. He prevented good conversation from happening and he added nothing of value while sounding like a child. Shouldve been someone else.
He definitely was trying not to find a middle ground smh
No influencer gets invited to find a middle ground. They are influencers who specialize in the human physique.
What didn’t he add that you needed? I thought, tbh, Tyler didn’t add much to the conversation. As much as I love him. Myron was the most real. The most blunt. People don’t like hearing it. People don’t like looking in the mirror and telling themselves the truth and you can hear it from green tux. “I love my body, and I like everyone no matter their size and color”.
It’s ok to have biases. And it’s ok to not be happy with what you see in the mirror. If you don’t like your beard, shave it or change the style. Don’t like your haircut, change it. Cut it. If you don’t like your size, either you’re skinny or fat, make the change. This change is, like Myron said, easy. Go work out. It’s tough. So is working your way up to the top to become a manager, learning a skill, etc. being a goal oriented, hard working person is hard but worth it in the end for people who put in the time and effort.
Everyone has contention with that because someone is pointing out to you that you’re lazy.
he didnt lie tho did he
@@whywouldtheyliebecause we they were having a discussion not a roast session what do you not get? His whole argument was “boohoo” that’s not an argument he was being a dickhead
Suicide not being real is crazy 😭😭😭
he said most of the time
He never said that you fool
Little ignorant boys think these are facts 🤦🏻
@@Grizzs What do you mean "most of the time?" suicide implies a person killed themselves. If they survive, it was an attempt, but not a suicide.
Did he say suicide? Could’ve sworn he said depression.
I was 10-12 percent body fat when i got into depression,my best friend had just died he had cancer,Instead of bing eating i become an alcoholic which is way worse,depression is real man.
I hope you are doing well my friend. May he rest in peace
@@lennon3712 may he rests in peace,I'm doing better and thanks for your kind words.
@@hama.fernandesproud of you for pushing through it! You got this
I doubt ur best friend would want you to become an alcoholic
@@mrduckling1995 my best friend also wanted me to ignore troll/virgin/LOSERS bht here i am 😂
I would have replace Myron with Dr. Mike or Will Tennyson tbh. As far as I know Will will at least speak from experience since he was overweight as a kid if I remember correctly. Instead Myron who just went for dirty bulking and say he is unhealthy and fat but it is intentional.
More Plates More Dates would have been interesting.
FOR GODS SAKE DR MIKE SHOULD BE CANCELLED
@@chancia8990 lol why
@@ThoseRedPillGuys Derek could of been interesting, Very science based but has a lot of practical experience as well.
Imagine Jeff Nipard in this discussion
The way Tyler talks about Myron, I don't think he's familiar with the Red Pill or Fresh and Fit at ALL. Myron has a shtick he has to sell, so he'll never move from his positions. It's like trying to have a meaningful conversation with Andrew Tate or any extremist. Their appeal and identity rests on the fact that they have these polarizing views.
Everyone who knows him claims that he is exactly the way he is online. He has changed positions on topics like N1nE eLeVeN for example.
@@ThoseRedPillGuys I didn't say he didn't believe what he says. I'm saying that he's not a person that is able to learn anything outside his realm of beliefs.
@@pyeclamGeorge janko and many others interviewer were able to challenge Andrew Tate's idelaogy and had a meaningful conversation. Not sure about Myron tho
@@pyeclam Exactly he could believe it but he can't change the views he spouts otherwise his brand collapses. If his business were to fail he'd be screwed. Homeland isn't taking him back.
@@pyeclam Realistically he spits facts 99% of the time though, you geeks are just too sensitive. Fat people are lazy. Only thing I can disagree with is the 'Shaming'. It will work a lot of the time but seeing as most men now a days are babies who cry about the smallest things it wouldn't work for them as they're basically females. It will only work for people who actually have some back bone and want to improve themselves instead of being babied and told it's okay to be fat.
Myron is absolutely unbearable to listen to. If he truly cared about changing people's opinions and actually convincing people to change their lifestyles, he wouldn't act the way he does
Why should he care if fat people want to kill themselves? Why should anyone care? He presented the facts that if they keep eating they will die, it’s their choice to make up their mind on if they want to live or die, this isn’t slavery he can’t force them to do anything it’s their choice.
Good example of tone policing, I couldn't give a better one myself.
True but a lot of what he says has a point. I think you don't understand some of the points he makes because you are trying to cope with the fact of being unfit and fat.
@@okis4504 I never said I disagree with everything he says. That's not even what I'm talking about; do you really think that everyone you're responding to is fat/unfit?
@@ViniciusTeixeira1 Yes. I think that people who are against Myron in the comment sections are either fat/unfit and also are people who don’t go to the gym. You also didn’t defend yourself by saying you weren’t fat when I called you out so I assume you are.
Depression doesn't care how in shape you are. It will be there no matter what. It's a hard thing to beat.
Myron and Sneako were hating on you for leaving early lmfao 😂😂
Lol just saw the clip, Myron literally would’ve spent another 20 mins saying his same spiel again convincing no one and Sneako was mirin thinking I had pump - it was freezing in there, no one had a pump cmon now
Can you send the clip?
When did he leave early?
Link?
Link?
You were so humble (in a good way)! I wish they do another show with you, It’s interesting to see you speak your mind beyond just fitness content.
Humble?? That is not my take away, if anything he seemed afraid to offend anyone, trying to satisfy everyone. That is the world we are living in nowadays, everyone is afraid of being cancelled which is pathetic. Just be honest, be yourself and speak the truth.
You're so gullible. He went on jubilee where your supposed to bring diversity but he didnt say a single word.
@@IKingAchillesI this is why I want him to do another show so he can talk more
@@Tropax1 in general, some people have opinions that more in the middle. I'm a person who wants to see both sides and try to unite people, because rarely is anything black and white.
@@Tropax1he was honest and he was himself and he did speak the truth tho
bro the whole time in the show I was just like when is my man gonna speak 😭
Dude, same. I was eagerly waiting to hear what Tyler had to say and I'm glad he made this vid so he could speak more
@@SevScribbles i honestly feel like fresh and fit dude was taking up all convo space, man is annoying
@@hejti3894 He was Tyler's to much of a nice dude to interrupt and interject
Prompt: "Is being obese unattractive?"
Myron: "Women are attracted to dark triads and there are only 2 genders"
Guy is such a goofball
That’s not what happened at all. Also attractive to who? If you’re a heterosexual man the obvious answer is to women in which you are now addressing the topic of what women are attracted to.
to be fair, it was the fat side that continuously made diversions away from the core 'fat vs fit' argument
"there's more to a person than just their body fat" "you cant judge a person on how they look" etc
he is right tho
@@Userdoesnotexit whether he's right or not is not the point, it's just that he is trying to make the convo into his podcast so bad lol
@@Vaklaaja but he's right
Lol, I love the fact that you went with your gym clothes
Came straight from recording content 😂
@@tyler-path That's what I thought or that you were going to train afterwards. I love your content, I'm OMW to the gym right now! 🤍
@@tyler-pathgrind don’t stop
Tyler has a very healthy, positive and balanced way of approaching things. I love it, especially how he approaces body dysmorphia and how he tries to understand Myron. I could learn from him!
I can’t wait to watch this. As a person that is fat with diabetes. Your videos have been helping. I can tell this going be a good video.
This is an episode from the youtuber Jubilee if you want to watch the original, this video will be about Tyler reviewing what was said that day because unfortunately one of the guests (Myron) is a Fat shamer/hater and likes to be the centre of attention, opening his mouth every 3 minutes to make the "fat people" feel bad about themselves, if Myron wasn't a guest then I feel this could have been an absolutely fantastic episode due to the conversation that all the other guests had to bring to the table, Tyler included
@@apex9177 like it or not Myron was completely right about mental issues not being a valid excuse for being obese
@@apex9177 try to focus on what hes saying instead of how and you will realize 80% of it is simply true
@@thebanj0271facts
@@thebanj0271 People in the episode were not saying that Myron was wrong. They were saying that Myron was generalizing everyone to fit into one description, which is the problem of what he was saying. Its just like in muscle building, not everyone has the exact same workout routine. I was actually impressed that the other "fit people" were holding back for Myron's sake lmao
"People with empathy deficit disorder:
- Tend to focus on their own needs and neglect other people’s emotions, even those of close friends and family.
- Struggle to build and maintain emotional connections.
- Can be overly judgemental of others and underestimate what others are going through.
- Don’t usually show appreciation or gratitude.
- Struggle to understand people from a different cultural, political, or religious background. "
You did exactly what i was wishing when i was writing notes regarding this episode and my personal thoughts, which was "what was tylers thoughts" cause youre facial expressions were golden, but i hate you wasnt able to express your thoughts as much as everyone else. I didnt even finish the video because of how little of an opportunity you had to speak. How ever there is one point in the beginning that i wish was made; being "fat" doesnt equal "weak".
(TL;DR - endomorph aka heavy set people appreciation topic. You can scroll somewhere else now, but thats all im gonna talk about for the most part.)
Tevin made a great point talking about how everyone absorbs nutrients differently, which is why it took Myron 2 years to " bulk" and then shedded that weight off in 7 months (which i still question). Hes probably an ectomorph, where its difficult to put on weight but super easy to burn the fat and lose weight. Tevin is probably more on the endomorph side, where he can put on weight super easy, but burning it is a difficulty.
There are tons of people with a endomorph body type that arent lazy, especially power lifters. The whole point of Thor's look in god of war was the power lifter look (seeing he was described in norse mythology as someone who drank the ocean, shrinking its tides, & a god that ate children. . . as well as being the only one that can lift Mjolnir, making him the strongest of all the gods).
There are many heavy set people who are the opposite of lazy. Theres Mark Henry; a professional wrestler, power lifter & the other man to ever pick up the Inch dumbell, outside of Thomas inch (dubbed the worlds strongest man in the power lifter world, since the 90s). Mestre Muralha SAJ (aka Jirlan Nascimento); A master in the martial art "Capoeira". Even Chris Barnett; a 5'9", 250lbs+ MMA fighter with experiences in wrestling, judo, and a 3rd Dan Black belt in TKD.
Being fat doesn't equate to lazy. Each physical build has its advantages and disadvantages, and that includes the rotund endomorph build
I’m a mesomorph I put on muscle easier than most people
@@Ronin-kk4bt you lucky mofo, with your perfect genetics
I would’ve wanted Jeff Nippard, Dr Mike, Will Tennyson, Noel Deyzel would be great too
Jeff and Mike are really good from the science side of it but Will would of been really good because he was obese as a kid and made the journey to where he is now.
Noel would have been awesome
completely agree . not sure what noel could offer other than being the gentle giant he is but those other 3 are absolutely invaluable in any body / human biological science conversation . will was obese when younger so could have brought that
Great job on the video Tyler! As someone who's currently in your coaching program I wanted to express my respect in your breakdowns and also let people know Tyler is just as nice and supportive as a coach as he comes off in all his content
Tyler, so thankful you posted this! Literally the first thing I searched after I finished the episode. The whole time I was watching your reaction and appreciated how you were the voice of reason and were very thoughtful with what you said.
Myron keeps forgetting that obese people suffer from chronic depression. You can’t shame someone out of chronic depression. It just makes it worse
And where’s that come from? Being obese no need to cherry coat shit because people are too soft to not want to kill themselves.
I’ve dealt with depression u have to move past it and over come it don’t let it control u no one is coming to save u the world won’t stop it’s gonna keep moving I learned that and it help me over come my depression I’ve also lost 12 pounds and that has had a big boost on my mindest and confidence
I doubt he believes in depression.
@@blankprivatecompany9296It's not that easy, lmao. For someone who claims to have depression, that's certainly a take
@@AnimatorBlake He doedn't.
Myron made this almost unbearable to watch. He comes off as a bully and plays it’s off as “tough love” like no dude, saying someone “deserves to be depressed” for being fat does absolutely NOTHING to help anyone. So stupid.
What?? I think Myron's point of view is correct. I think we need more people who have the mindset Myron has bro
@@globetelecommunicationswhat myron was doing is degenerating other people. That's not tough love. That's just being an ass.
That doesn't address the validity of that claim.
Myron is 100% correct
@@vhirtue7137 no one says he's wrong. But his delivery is ass.
I just wanna say that I am happy that your channel popped up on my feed a couple of weeks ago. I am currently the age 37 and it’s taken me about 7-8ish years to get back into hitting weights again. So the last 8 weeks have been all over the place with getting myself back in order with a proper routine in lifting weights again, but you have enlightened me with the right beginners guide with upper and lower body exercises. Overall my 7 1/2 weeks of training has improved significantly with my mind, body, and, spirit, but your education has helped me get myself back on track with a weekly program that I feel confident and comfortable with getting myself back into gear.
You are awesome and deserve many blessings with longevity.
Growing up as a kid who was insulted in front of his classmates for being chubby (not obese or not unhealthy) by his own teacher, many people don't realize that bullying or shaming only leads to hating yourself and changing you for others sake. I loved working out when only i did it for myself.
Yeah. The thing about shame - when people shame you for something, the intention behind it is why it matters. Are they doing it to make you feel terrible about yourself, to put you down and isolate you? Or, are they doing it to motivate you? 90% of the time it's the former. Ultimately, that's why bullying and shaming someone is wrong.
Such bullying only happens to make themselves look better.
It helped me work harder and be better! It depends on the persons mindset.
it’s different for everyone, i wouldn’t of lost 37kg if ppl didn’t tell me i was fat when i was younger. wouldn’t be somewhat happy with the way i look. myron has a strong point.
@@anthfonti7652 its not a strong point if it only works for some. we had enough decades of dumb people in school being bullied and shamed, even by teachers. it didnt make them any more motivated or smarter at all. anecdotal evidence is weak compared to evidence collected by studies with more participients. theres a reason we abolished such a system of bullying in school.
So glad you made this video, really wanted to hear your points more.
crazy to me that myron had the audacity to insult these guys in a very direct way aesthetic wise considering his podcast partner looks like a toad and does not look like has stepped in the gym a day in his life.
In which he does the same to them. "NO EASE ON MO”
so you're attacking myrons podcast partner to counter myrons points ? I guess curries are simply impossible to reason with
Lmao Myron and Fresh both go to the gym on a daily. They are both fit so this is just wrong. And you’re doing worse than Myron commenting on how Fresh looks… what happened to body positivity huh? You people are so selective on when to be politically correct and you don’t even realize you’re being a hypocrite. How sad.
What does his partner has to do with him 😂
So your complaining about Myron insulting some guys on the show (which he didn't, just told them the truth) then you decide to actually insult his co-host by calling him a toad? BTW something you cant change vs something you can.... Your getting on Myrons case about doing something your doing yourself... make it make sense... smh
Tyler is such an amazing part of the fitness community. Keep up the great work man
I think Greg is conflating the Body Positivity movement with the HAES (healthy at every size) movements. There are people who genuinely believe that you can be healthy no matter what your size is. Unfortunately, being on either end of the spectrum (over weight or under weight) has its own set of health problems that comes with it.
I don't think you are going to be improving anyone's opinion of you more by backpedaling and saying "I'm not saying its healthy, I'm just saying we should remove the stigma from it."
Pathological behavior should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
Well, from my perspective, there are a lot of people trying to take "understand, be happy with, but take care of your body" and "weight doesn't matter. Do what you want." The messaging is confusing. However, Greg even admits here and in his own videos that weight matters as much for obesity as it does for professional bodybuilders. So there are two different points. Weight is unhealthy no matter the body fat percentage and body fat is unattractive.
@@Phobos2085You’re absolutely correct. I’m just trying to explain that some people see it as “I can love myself, be confident in myself, feel beautiful, and feel worthy of love at any size” (which I’m totally here for because we’re an amalgamation of our qualities).
And then there are others who are like “I got triggered going to my doctor’s office because they had a BMI chart and told me that all of my health problems would be solved if I ‘lost some weight’. Diet culture is toxic!”
And I think a lot of people on the more fitness/health side of things, that maybe have never struggled with their health and physique, might not realize that more people are aware that being overweight comes with a lot of detriments to one’s health. Those trying to push the narrative that health is unrelated to size, shape, and weight are a very loud minority in the grand scheme of things.
@Nameless_mixes hmmm that last sentence seems wrong. If we're being realistic, in everyday life, most people don't even care about this topic. But since we're talking about on the internet, there isn't a single obese person comment section, particularly women, who don't get a "you are beautiful and healthy, ignore the haters" message. I don't think we can say it's the minority till we do a nactual study on it. And they always have a lot of like
@Nameless_mixes hmmm that last sentence seems wrong. If we're being realistic, in everyday life, most people don't even care about this topic. But since we're talking about on the internet, there isn't a single obese person comment section, particularly women, who don't get a "you are beautiful and healthy, ignore the haters" message. I don't think we can say it's the minority till we do a nactual study on it. And they always have a lot of like
I was glad to see you on this and im proud to call myself a subscribe and follower because you sir represent the physical, social and mental capacity i strive to have.
Appreciate you offering more thoughts on your experience. Tbh, I wouldn’t care too much about reactions to more jubilee videos. However, an interview with someone like obesetobeast may be interesting.
Regarding the shame thing that some folks such as Myron and, to an extent, Greg seem too advocate for - I honestly find it perplexing. I can’t imagine that anyone would find shame more motivating than an emotion such as love. I strongly feel that people should not be driven to go to the gym due to shame or self-hate, they should go to the gym or workout because they found something they love - and doing things you love is an act of self-love.
I do think that every individual person can find some form of exercise that they enjoy - the challenge is finding what that form of exercise is. It’s the same thing with food. I imagine many folks would say they hate food if the only thing they are introduced to is whatever is presented to them at the school cafeteria. However, for many folks - at least in the US - peoples’ first and sometimes only context for exercise is whatever their gym teacher told them to do.
Disagree that people get into exercise because they love it. It’s anecdotal but I suspect it applies to many people that I only started to develop a love for exercise after I was deep into it
What I think gets people into the gym is a desire to be better, but through the positive lens of hope for the future rather than hating what they are currently
I really appreciate your performance on the panel. I was glad that you and Eric were there to be a more friendly advocate for fit men
I'm glad you this video came across my feed. Loved getting your thoughts and finding another fitness person to follow.
Bro you have a hella good take on this whole episode man, super cool to hear someone with a sound opinion.
I learned a lot from you Tyler. Thank you
Tyler seems like such a good guy! Thanks for sharing your side!
This will be interesting. N watching the panel makes it even more interesting.
Glad you posted this, Tyler. As someone who has lost 180 pounds (and have another 125 to go) and has benefited from your content, I really felt like your voice was not as present in that Jubilee video as I would have liked.
You brought a lot more perspective here with this follow up.
Thanks man!
Bro i was so hype to see you in that video, congrats on all of your growth
Super rational takes from you. Wish I got to hear from you more in the video, but I got to say hearing the two extremes was pretty entertaining 🤣
A lot of strong opinions there. Would've wished for you and Zach to talk more in a one on one because both of you added some nuance to the topic.
Myron was just trying to be edgy lmao
Edit: I don’t hate the guy he’s the only reason this 💩 was even entertaining. When he got called small I lost my shit 😂
Edit #2. Myron isn’t inherently a bad person for his takes. But he is trying to make people upset. That’s the whole point of this comment
But come on, he lowkey made the show fun to watch at least. I agree with 90% of what he said.
@@globetelecommunications same cuz he was not scared to get cancelled cuz 90% of what he said are fact
@@evagenesiz7802 He still came off as an asshole, I mean I agreed with basically everything that he said and somehow he was still annoying to me. He should've taken the Greg Doucette approach
@@evagenesiz7802 He has a flawed arguement. He says he would like everyone to get fit yet he says the majority can stay fat and remain losers. There is no "facts", most of the things said by him were simply opinions with zero statistics backing them
@@tongansquillium1263to that he mentioned that the losers are going to get weeded out
You're a huge inspiration for me man. Keep up the great work.
Stoked to see you make this video as I was hoping we'd hear a bit more from you!
You did a very good job being yourself and sticking to what you know in that interview. You should be proud of yourself. Your apart of the solution I just followed you because of that interview
Great to hear your view on this! You seem like a nice guy! 🙂
Myron is the reason I woke up and took control of my life. I was depressed, fat, and broke (with a career) a year and a half ago. Now I'm happier, I lost 90 pounds (working on losing 50 more pounds), and providing for my family with ease.
The tools are given to us, and we are responsible with our results.
Bro thats dope. Keep it up
I already commented a few times, but it's great to hear you talk, @TylerPath. I originally found your channel while looking for people who showed how to do an exercise and how no to, because I wanted to 1) practice the right movements, and 2) avoid any workouts that are high risk and unneeded. Again, cool to see you speak, and I plan to watch some more of your long form videos.
I love the bonus insights and opinions on this one! Thank you for this reaction 🌸
i stopped taking the whole video seriously when myron hit us with the "I've talked to over 3,000 women" and everybody else was STILL taking him any amount of serious lmao
Everyone wanted to look like you 💯
I’ve watched your shorts for like a year it feels like and that jubilee video was the 1st time I’ve actually heard you speak
Totally agree with everything you’ve said in this video. Love this breakdown
Myron made the video funny af and Greg had no idea what was going on, bro was so confused.
I think obesity has a lot to do with your environment. Me for example, majority of my family is obese. I was 200+ pounds by the time I was in the 5th grade. I grew up with bad eating habits that I viewed as normal because that’s how those around me ate. As I got older and started to realize that I was the “abnormal” one, I learned to change my eating habits and have a healthier lifestyle.
I’d say it’s easier in that circumstance, you see what being unhealthy does to you from an early age and you learn to despise it ultimately wanting a better life for yourself. Congrats on wanting more hope we get more people like you.
Especially as a child, you're at the mercy of what your caregivers reinforce as your diet. I've been lean all my life, but it's the whole adage of its difficult to form new habits often. Not impossible, but a challenge I can understand for others.
First time I've watched a video on this channel and listening to Tyler talk, but damn he's well spoken and articulates the content very well.
I became a fan of you after watching this you were the only one that was NORMAL! keep up the good work and keep promoting good health and no steroids!
They should do this same video but with women
Can’t wait! Myron couldn’t have been for real on all his takes you know this because he has so many cop-out defenses, definitely playing up a character that doesn’t bend at all on a show about finding the middle ground lol. Though I’m sure you’ll likely talk about your takes on the questions and what you may not have been able to say. Looking forward to it!
No it's probably real. That's probably why he keeps his stupid podcast going even though everyone knows it's bullshit.
Most of myrons takes are real, its showbiz at the end of day so he’s gonna play them up
@@tsuketsu9889 I watch the podcast and respectfully disagree with you
@tsuketsu9889 I also respecfully disagree with you, but to be fair, I did not think the best of him when I've only seen him on RUclips shorts rather than watching a show of his in full.
What middle ground? The fat guys all said “we don’t have the tools to lose weight” the only tool they need is stop shoving sugar in their mouth and caloric deficit… I here is no middle ground when you have people saying this type of thing… zero respect and being “nice” is only perpetuating this fatness desensitization nonsense further. So to me there would never be middle ground with people who refuse responsibility and play victim. Ya’ll have all turned soft and it’s really annoying to see America become such a mentally weak country… we need more men like Myron to speak facts without being afraid of being canceled
Really appreciate your perspective in that video! I felt like you were kind and truthful at the same time!
Dude thank you for all your corrective videos glad to see your a chill dude
Is weird af to me hear you talking, I just know you from the shorts where you teach smiling quietly 😂
what i found funny was in the first question Greg talked about how fat people have a lesser lifespan when he literally used to sell people steroids 🤣. Since when has this guy cared about people’s longevity of life lmaoo
Tbf he didn’t start taking roids until he was like mid 20s or something like that. And he says people should wait for a very long time till they start taking PEDs
I mean to be fair If you watch his channel, he does talks about how bad steroid abuse is in a lot of his videos. I also don't believe it's particularly harmful for older guys to take a small amount of steroids as advised by a doctor. The trouble with steroids is that it's usually younger dudes who take too much, which may be really harmful.
@josiahmoore2921 Trt has harmful consequences at all ages unless you have very specific circumstances. Less than classical anabolic steroids, but there are a lot of risks in taking them and people don't understand well what it does in reality and how affects you. It is the latest health craze and it shouldn't be used as it is prescribed at the moment for most people.
I was so excited to see you were in it!!!
It's nice to hear your opinions on this. I didn't watch the original but I watched NH's video on it and was disappointed at how little you got to talk.
Didnt realize it was sped up until the guy after Doucette starting talking lol
As a guy letting himself go
I leveled off on my weight at 220 and it took me actually working out and better diet it goes down
Eating fast food 3 or more times a week
@@greggorman5537
Good job.
Keep it simple and get your rest days in as well.
Tyler, I’m a be honest with you. I would never thought you both would be in the same room and I was super stoked to hear what you had to say. I appreciate it. What you wanted to say in this video I agree with you. I also agree with Myron, I think he has a very strong stance on it. That’s why I am also able to understand where he’s coming from. Yes it’s very unsympathetic but some people that are tired like myself a feeling sorry for myself. Need to hear these things in order to push for for progression and it was because of you and him that I was able to, learn more information about fitness.
hey tyler, i love the long form video! a nice pace of change!
I mean of you just sitting, and discussing a topic that's not excerise related for example.
18:34 that is great advice dude
The moment I heard Myron mention giving more respect to "fit" people (4:35). I lost it, it was such a terrible argument, because by that definition he's saying that Gordon Ramsey was Lazy, Bill gates was lazy, Elon Musk was lazy, Jeff Bezos was lazy, albert einstein was lazy. The guy doesn't realise there are other forms of discipline, self-control etc etc that also makes a person valuable not just their physique. Some of the brightest minds we've ever had throughout history were not "fit", they may have been "average" or closer to obese or skinny. So really hearing that argument I felt like I was losing braincells.
EDIT: You can be lazy in one discipline but be incredibly hard-working in others, it makes no sense to think that someone deserves more respect merely for their physique, as they can be hard-working in terms of fitness, but be incredibly lazy in terms of a plethora of other disciplines.
You're beyond brain dead, this whole episode is about fitness. All the people you listed were Lazy in terms of fitness and gym. This has nothing to do with discipline with your 9-5 job this is all about fitness and physiques. I for example never do business with overweight people because if they can't take care of their body they aren't going to be very good business partners in the long run. You didn't lose brain cells after the argument, you had no brain cells to begin with.
He’s talking about regular people not super accomplished people you mentioned. Comparing two similar normal people of course you will respect the fit one more
I’d give all of those people more respect if they were physically impressive too.
Also we are talking about first impressions. Once you get to know someone these things don’t matter, but all else equal, fat people tend to be lazier and fit people more motivated. Ironically people like bezos and zuckerberg both work out a lot and have good physiques now
Good comment but I also agree with @Harry-hh1is comment.
@@JonathanCodes-ol1cm every single person is a regular person until they become super accomplished. How did they get there? By being a regular individual that kept working hard in their “craft”, and believing in themselves, and of course a stroke of luck, good supportive systems etc. You can’t just single out super accomplished people, regardless there are plenty of examples of people in the fields of science working their asses off. My point is to State that regardless of whether you’re physically fit or not, you also have value in the form of what you bring to the table. Being physically fit is an “extra”, the primary form of respect should be towards peoples discipline, and discipline isn’t as Black and White as “if you’re fit or not”.
For someone who ive never seen speak in his content, you were very well spoken. Preach
I was excited to see you on this!
Myron and greg says exactly what most people think but are afraid to say it in fear of cancellation, its facts over feeling!
The orange tank dude who had the most support just has "empathy" cus he doesn't want to lose his clients ( hes a coach ) lol
People on the right are just coping and if they could be fit in a snap of a finger they would stay that way and actually recommend it!
Exactly the 2 guys who didn’t have anything to lose spoke the truth, Myron got famous using his philosophy and coach Greg I think it was is out of the game now. The other 2 “healthy guys” can lose clients and the fatasses literally said if I lose weight I’ll stop getting work like what’s happened in the past. He admitted it so why would they want to change when they’re being recipients of the benefits?
@@scott8448 Greg has plenty he could lose. He runs a business selling coaching, supplements, and runs a successful fitness youtube channel. He's just not been bodybuilding for years now. The difference was while Greg was blunt he didn't go out of his way to insult people like Myron. While yes much of what Myron says has some truth to it insulting someone is not a way to get them to see your point of view.
Actually most people don't suck like you, glad to clear this up for you!
Agreed..
Around the question whether "fat influencers encourage people to stay fat or care less about fitness", I should say it's all about what's being praised.
The reason bodybuilders and those on Mr.Olympia stages are so influential on people is because they are being praised for their body and so others try to pursue that too.
But I don't think that is the case with influencers who also happen to be fat. Let me give an example: Suppose I'm into standup comedy and the comedian whose work I praise also happens to be fat. Does that make me want to stay fat or gain weight? Obviously not. Because I praise his work, not his body. To me that just sounds like an insane presumption.
So I think the argument that "the mere presence of obese people in society encourages obesity" is not very sound.
So we’re just gonna forget about “muckbangs”, lizzo, the fat acceptance movement or basically any person saying it’s ok to be fat?
Yes some fat content creators actually create content but the VAST majority centre their content around food and the acceptance of being fat nothing else. The fact there’s a fat acceptance movement proves they are being praised for being fat, the fact these fat people are getting modelling gigs proves it’s being praised, the fact we even have to have this discussion absolutely proves being fat is being praised or there would be no counterpoint it would simply be your fat, it’s killing you, stop it, get some help…. Like throughout human history
@@scott8448 Yeah I see your point.
Maybe obesity IS actually being praised in some parts of the internet. I personally haven't had much encounter with those contents and was just talking from what I've seen around me, but I guess you could be right
@@scott8448most mukbangers aren't fat
You were the most level-headed and calm person in the video! Well done, mate!
Found you through jubilee and now subscribing!
being physcially fit allows me to:
1. express myself w fashion choices that I wouldn't be able to wear comfortably otherwise
2. engage in activities/hobbies that require me to be in shape i.e sports and concerts
3. be more productive and higher functioning due to feeling better mentally and physically
a lot of people can achieve the 3 things above without an intense training regimen or even gym at all, but regardless they can still live a happy and fulfilling life. A lot of image conscious "fit" people are in actuality insufferable and have an equally if not lower self-esteem compared to those who may be seen as out of shape so they cope by trying to make those who are different feel the same as them, as if they're implying "how can you even feel deserving of happiness, let alone experience it, when i look better than you and still suffer every day"
working in the fitness industry is so eye-opening and makes you wonder if you’re really helping your clients to any extent...
Myron was definitely not helping but i have to say greg was not exactly better... you and eric were the only reasonable ones on the fit side lol
I'm curious why you think Greg wasn't better. He wasn't insulting anyone like Myron. He was blunt but not malicious. He in fact showed empathy towards the other side multiple times.
@@bradmiles1984 i admit he wasn’t as bad as myron but saying when you see a fat body you feel disgusted isn’t exactly emphatic. Even when eric was asking him about zach physique he was flat out rude 😂
@@shalvenic3948 He was just being blunt and honest. Is it the nicest? No but he's not malicious like Myron. He also explained why it disgusts him, it's not the person but they let their health get to such a state. He wasn't like Myron saying fatass every 2 seconds. Myron was straight up an asshole to be an asshole.
@@shalvenic3948 He wasn't supposed to be being empathetic, no one is owed his empathy. He was asked a question and he answered, he was not even rude about it and even if he was, he answered the question.
@@TetsuyaOzai I brought up empathy in response to brad's reply. And yes he answered the question but the original point of my comment was about greg not exactly be considerate of the other side. And even if you wanna take the route that no one is owed empathy fine but isn't whole arching point of the conversation in this video is we want people to go the gym and get in better shape lol?
I used to see this guy at the gym all the time when I started trying to get healthy. It's nice to see his work ethic pay off physically and in his social media goals. Happy for you!
So happy you made this video, I knew you had lots of your own opinions and knowledge to share but Myron took over the show 😭
People like myron don't want to help people lose weight, they just want to get a one up on them. They feel better by separating themselves from a category of person that they perceive as less.
He genuinely made the video unwatchable for me. I understand the opinions he has but the way he says it and belittles the other side is unacceptable. "Tough love" is a thing but when you're using it on someone whos already depressed, whos already tried, who's marked themselves as a failure; its going to make them worse (which is the opposite of what he "wants" from people).
Shame doesn't work. support works, encouragement works, and camps definetly wouldn't be good. Its like taping someones mouth to make them lose weight (real experiment where they saw people immediately gained their weight back when it was removed).
(as someone whos been 10% bf and unlocked oap and pistol squats and still depressed)
Exactly! Not only that but it basically makes it seem like health is an isolated event. He is explicitly removing all the things that make living a healthy lifestyle challenging with his “camps” idea. Health should be a consequence of your lifestyle not something you have in spite of it. Every facet of your life plays a role, your job, your family, your responsibilities, your environment. Removing all of that doesn’t help because once they go back, you’re way more likely to fall back into old habits. You have to shape your entire lifestyle and that requires patience, knowledge, and balance.
Man Myron is so unserious. Props to Tevin for standing up to his bs. Nice video man keep it up.
How did you come to that conclusion? Besides the concentration camp stuff of course.
@@ThoseRedPillGuys It's a show called Middle Ground and yet he keeps insulting and mocking, not really trying to reach a common ground. Tevin saying he was just ''looking for a viral clip'' felt spot on
@@escapevelocity6167 notice how you said “felt” instead of “is” spot on.
Literally nobody on the left side changed their minds on anything. They are pros when it comes to the human body so of course they weren’t going to.
If you want to use Myron not changing his views and being a meanie as evidence that he’s unserious then apply that same metric back to Tevin who was the only person who directly attacked someone in that being Myron. Heck you may as well disqualify the entire left side.
Once you do that now Tevin’s statements are not to be taken seriously with Tevin being unserious.
Now Greg is unserious because he was also a meanie and said that the 6 foot 5 dude was overweight.
You can’t seriously tell that you believed that this episode was actually about finding the middle ground. That they would purposely invite Myron and Greg with Tevin and expected a middle ground.
@ThoseRedPillGuys I wouldn’t even say the concentration camps thing was unserious, look at any corner since the early 2000s and you’ll find… a gym; a place people go to concentrate on losing weight. He might of said it as a joke but they’ve existed for decades and maybe if fat people heard it that way they might go to a gym because it’s what they all subconsciously want to do; concentrate on losing weight.
@@scott8448 he was serious. He has mentioned it over and over again. Legit a whole neighborhood of just fat people forced to workout and eat the food they are given aka healthy food. Like wuhan in 2020.
I just grant that to people because they are too emotional to have a whole conversation. He obviously describes over and over again that he doesn’t mean the whole bad food and conditions aspect quite the opposite actually.
More long form vids would be great! As long as they are easy to make, no need to go out of your way
This was interesting to hear more your points considering I am unfamiliar with your content. I agree too, Myron wasn’t wrong in a lot of his points but his delivery and words can be polarizing. In comparison to Greg who vocalized the same points and feelings but approached with a sense of regret that no one gave him advice when he was younger. There’s empathy there, and people can see that.
myron started crying when he got called small 😂😂
No he didn't. I think Myron is a douchebag, but no way he felt bad being called smaller than Greg and Eric. Eric is a massive enhanced body builder. Greg is a pro bodybuilder. They're both overly enhanced. Myron knows they've both taken a lot of steroids. Myron has been an athlete and has trained, he understands he will never be as big as the other guys naturally. And he knows the other guys are bigger. It's not like that guy said anything he didn't already know.
@@emartinezrso Tevin’s rebuttal was not only illogical but also ineffective?
@ThoseRedPillGuys he's definitely less valuable because he's not as big as greg and eric. he should get on more steroids!! lack of his self control smh what a small loser
Tyler is smaller than Myron so they were indirectly insulting him too
@@ThoseRedPillGuys his rebuttal was just silly grade-school insult. That was simply childish, shows he knows very little about "fitness" and that comment showed his true maturity and why he is where he's at.
The "concentration camp" exists btw, it was a video from that other gym youtuber. He went to "fat camp", and they do help you with understanding nutrition and shit (I hope)
Plenty of concentration camps where people concentrate on losing weight they’re called gyms but these stupid fuckers can’t understand that.
W bro I love you you and the bigger guy stood on your beliefs on fitness and were still being respectful and considerate. Myron and Greg were just wilding they didn’t give af
So glad you made this video! I would like to see you react to more 🤗
Obesity can also be a product of depression, which reduces your maintenance calories
You were too nice of a guy to be there😂
I love that you made a video with your own personal thoughts on this. I looked at your facial expressions every time it was about Myron or anything and I would laugh sooo hard. Myron was definitely added for drama and it was a very hard watch trying to see him talk. While he definitely presented some facts, not everything is true like the whole depression and being sad, that's just his personal opinion and it's a very wrong one at that. Those podcasters always act the same way and thrive off being opposing and angry trying to get a rise out of people, almost feels like they're trolls.
I love your reacts, do more
I saw this on Jubilee, Myron is so savage but honest lol. I was hoping to see you speak a little more on some of the topics they covered on the pod Tyler. but i'm glad you are addressing that now on your channel :)
Myron got on my nerves because he kept reverting to his fresh and fit talking points about women. Like buddy this is a topic about weight and excersise, keep it on topic.
Also i wish you had more time to talk because i think you had a lot of value to add, you probably just didnt have a lot of experience talking in a panel like this so its hard to inject yourself into the conversation sometimes.
Bro is obsessed with women.
- Myron Gaines was on topic to me 🤷🏿♂️.
Tyler, thanks for the clarification session, makes much easier to see your point! If you don’t mind, what’s your academic or career background besides being a bodybuilding influencer? The reason I’m asking is I was truly amazed when you mentioned food deserts, not so many people outside of social sciences or public administration are aware of food deserts, so I am kinda curious about what else you do when you aren’t shooting vids!
Love your outlook on this topic. I agreed with mostly everything you said, and even If I didn't I appreciated that you gave your reasonings as to why you though the way you did. Great vid!
Also, let's play league sometime! Lol