LOTS of comments regarding a heat gun. Well it would be a beautiful day on the jobsite if we had every tool we needed every single time! Sometimes gang, you just don't have what you need, but the job still has to get finished. Behind the scenes we talk about how we wish we had one. We also discuss 45 degree flanges, Reducers, and digging deeper. And sometimes you're at the mercy of the local hardware store selection. Real World Stuff. Some great tips down below, keep em coming we love reading em! Thanks Gang 👊
Looked like my typical day.... what can go wrong does go wrong, dang near every single time. If it weren't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. ;-)
This is what I like about you.. it's realistic DIY level construction. You just gotta go with the parts and tools you can get your hands on.. I had to use a flex coupler wich I realy hate just because none of the stores carried the old style 30 and 60 degree bends. And the existing T is in the concrete floor of my 2nd floor apartment.
I agree w Northern Light & with you..You have to get the job done with the tools on hand & sometimes it goes side ways. LOVE the content & real life problems you guys tackle!! Keep up the good work..
Wherever you bought the pipe probably sells them... You mentioned 2 extra trips to the store so while you were out, probably should have got the $25 tool for the job while you were there. I don't know what your time's worth to you, but the time you wasted doing it that way would have been worth $25 to me.
From one contractor to another I greatly appreciate the uncut version of this job. It shows the hell we go through at times. You guys showed there's a solution to every problem... well, most times, hah!
Think this also helps most non DIYrs and new contractors why demo work is often more expensive- you NEVER know what you find when you start demo. (Just shake head and ponder who and why they did what they did).
Thank you for showing the exact process including the not-so-perfect parts. I've built a couple of houses of my own and generally grew up working on my own stuff and I get a little annoyed when I see these perfect jobs where everybody pretends that all went perfect. It's much better to see reality. I watched every minute of this from one end to the other and really enjoyed it. Thank you
I used to build swimming pools and moving drain lines was one of the frequent tasks. If you all run into this again, do a little more cutting with the saw. A little checker board pattern in the area you are trying to remove will save you a lot of time with the chipping hammer. I am also bald and had a large can of the purple primer fall off the rebar shelf I was putting a 4 inch pipe through and it dumped on my head. I looked like Gorbachev for almost two weeks. Great work guys!
Well if you would have preferred blue. Try getting of that blue cleaner that we use in the back of toilet off. A smarf look 😱. Or head to two in poison oak and have to cover it with calmine. The pink panther look for sure. 😄🎭🌝🤭
I loved this video! I’m a plumber and I totally understand that sometimes you just gotta make things work with what you have to get the job done! It doesn’t matter how much knowledge or experience you have, some jobs just don’t go as planned and turn into nightmares. I love how you still stay positive and keep moving forward. It’s encouraging to us all!
@@timcat1004 Right? I cant believe people here are applauding this, especially with cutting the hub in half. Im thinking Im the crazy one reading these comments
Truly. I can relate as well. Any job that involves chipping out old concrete and building something in the hole under it. Red lights flashing in my mind just looking at it.
I think it's great you guys show the "figuring out" process. Most YT channels just show everything working perfectly, but as we all know when you start trying to do things yourself it never works right.
Your videos aren’t just educational for any construction projects, but I think I enjoy watching the father/son time the two of you spend together the most. Keep up the good work guys.
I appreciate this accurate representation of a home repair project. Problem solving and using what you have available. Too many times people post these "perfect" reno videos, and it gives others a false sense of it being easy. Thanks for sharing!
Been a plumber for the better part of my working life and I might have shaken my head a little, but I didn't tune out. I love you guys. Wouldn't miss a second. Old work gets pretty rough sometimes. We've all been there. I've had to trim no hub fittings here and there, but I can't say I've ever trimmed a plastic fitting. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. I'm pretty sure I think I disapprove, but I've had to do plenty of other sketchy things to get a job done so I won't pass too much judgement. I know a decent socket saver ain't cheap, but even if you only use it once in your life it'll save you some post traumatic stress.
Healthy attitude. Too many times pros will jump into videos like this and be super judgmental or holier-than-thou about the approaches shown. I'm sure I've done the same thing. But you're right: we all know sometimes people slip into sketchier territory in an attempt to get the job done. You conveyed your opinion that it might not be the best thing to do while still being nice about it! Thanks for showing us the right way to comment, Richard. :)
@@myrimu9829 When you've seen the things I've seen, you realize that, no matter how long you've done something, you know next to nothing. Things that should never work do. Things that are money back guaranteed to work don't. Things that have worked for you every single time, won't work for you this time. I think you get the point. There is no right way. There are only right outcomes. Do the very best you can. Follow best practice. Be honest, fix what you broke when you looked at it the wrong way and do what's right-est. Do those things and everything will end up alright. That's why I love these guys. Always giving it their all. In 10 years if somehow that joint came apart and someone noticed, I'm 100% confident they'd be back there to fix it. Not just tradesmen, but good men. Not enough of them in my trade, or any trade, today.
@@StudPack i'v been a licensed plumber for forty years, but i must admit i'v had to do something similar to get the job done. what a pain but i got through it (not my proudest moment) but it got done and it held up. good job.
Oh man, mixing concrete in the dark while exhausted... been there trying to get a tub set at the end of a long day. Thanks for being on RUclips! Kudos to Jordan for being the one to get this all going and his great video work; and to you both for your great work ethic and attitudes.
What I like about you guys is you are real. No BS making things look easy all the time. Sometimes you struggle more than you expect in real life and you show that. Everything doesn't come out perfect like you originally intended. Good job.👍
My buddy is a plumbing apprentice and loves to call out any goofy code violation and would probably cry watching this video. And because of that.... You got my like and subscription.
Glad yall are safe. I love that you add the "mistake" edits. Shows that not every project is 100% perfect 100% of the time and even pros get that puzzled look.
As a plumber that's been plumbing for over five years, good at what I do and take pride in my work... I've always had a huge imposter syndrome. Somehow seeing this video takes a huge weight of my shoulders because I'm always beating myself up about things I don't do PREFECTLY. I feel justified somehow now when I get things done even at the expense of a little "cheating". 👍Subscribed
@@VivaLasVegusNervana use 22s if you can get it with 45s. If you can't get it with 22s use an offset flange, yes it is a real fitting. Or use 45s and an offset flange to bring it back a little. Options are broad.
I get imposter syndrome all the time. Some of these guys with 15-20 years in just make me feel stupid sometimes. This video made me feel great about my competency. This is a project a foreman would expect finished before lunch lol.
“Imposter syndrome”, I like that. As a “Jack of all trades” I feel that a lot. I always say, “there’s the wrong way to do things, there’s the “code” way to do things, and then there’s “my” way. It’s always safe and works so, whatev. Lol
Wow,I'm a GC.I could pick that one apart. But,forget the criticism. You showed your son a great life lesson and gave him a memory with you.Hats off to you.Great Dad.
OMG guys thank you this was epic. Made me feel so much better after my harrowing odyssey into my crawlspace today. Had a project I thought I could complete above ground, but at the end, had to go subterranean to replace one last piece of galvanized pipe that had gone rotten. Vertical clearances of only about 14" and at the end, a mummified cat to add to my terror. Thankfully done, and static pressure testing while I raise a glass to my fallen feline comrade. I'd trade a couple hours sweat to avoid that again.
Far too many times have I been in that position where a seemingly "small" job takes the most time, takes the most unexpected turns, takes the most trips to the store, and can certainly kick your butt and make you want to quit. Great job guys
I'm a 40 year old man who was raised in a house that was built in the 1890's. Over the years, my Dad and I (mostly him) have replaced, repaired, moved, changed out, etc. so many things. His saying is "....it's always something...". When something goes wrong, or is unexpected, in a project (and there always is), that's what he and I always say. Because it IS always something. The fulfillment when you finish a job and do it well after it being a tough one like this though is very rewarding. Great job on this video. I just subscribed. I love the dynamic of you guys in the video, and the "real world" showing of various house jobs like this.
So often having to chase a problem deeper, and putting in far more time and money into the job sometimes. But, damn it feels good when you get it done and done right. You men do a damn fine job, great work ethic and finding creative solutions for better than expected results. From one to the next, I salute you both with angle square and saw.
There's a tool made specifically for that situation.It's called a socket saver worth it's weight in gold. They are available at most big box stores and come in all sizes. Easy pezy with the right tools .
what about sinking a couple of screws in the flange holes before the concrete set up (or after) to make sure that those weakened cut down flanges don't fail?
Those pipes are in no way structural. The toilet sits on the concrete and there's simply a wax ring above that plastic circle for the water seal. The pipe is set in concrete so it won't move. I believe the screw holes are there if you have the flange on top of a subfloor or OSB just as an attachment point so the pipe doesn't shift but in this case, the concrete already accomplishes that.
Loved the video! It reminded me of my dads jobs he would do. He was such a multitalented man. And he knew how to maneuver with what he had to make things work. He worked early mornings to late evenings doing construction, plumbing and electrical. He had a huge heart for people. So it felt like he helped the world. You’re blessed to spend time with your dad.❤ God bless you both
plumber here, there is a tool called a "socket saver" would make things a lot easier, also if you ever need to break pipe out of the hub, put a stainless steel hose clamp around the hub, it will usually prevent the hub from cracking.
Glad you guys are holding up! Its always those "just a few inches" projects that end up taking the longest time and requires 2-3 trips to the store lol
Nice Try Bro, I agree with you totally. I'm currently rehabbing (not remodeling) a house that's just over 60 yrs old. After that many years of settling, nothing is still completely level, square, or plumb. Constantly running into one head ache and pain in the a$$ after another. But there's a certain gratification that comes with formulating a practical and reasonable work around (obviously needs to be safe also).
@@speckulator7516 , Correct. I'm removing drywall in order to install wall insulation. Some of the wall studs are not in good alignment with the rest of the studs on the wall. Makes installing the new replacement drywall really interesting. 😳
Love seeing the dad/son content. I grew up building kitchen cabinets with dad. Currently full time nursing at a state hospital but working on my dream of being a business owner/operator. Side hustle is doing good but I want it full time. Keep up the great work, Fam.
I truly love your channel. I’m in the middle of a DIY in my basement bathroom and you have been the most help: from watching your videos and calling a few contractors in my area for advice. I can truly say that you guys are freaking amazing. I thank you for all the information you share in recording your journey even the mistakes through the videos but it’s not about that it’s all about the work. I think you for the level of care that you show for your work and the level of craftsmanship you guys exhibit. Thank you.
Great job guys. One thing I would do different is rotate the toilet flange so the bolt doesn't end up in the middle of the slot, but rather at the end of the slot. Your bolts are always going to be in the middle of the flange so there's no need to do that. I've had to repair many broken flanges because of this thinking. Good job
Best video!!! Very encouraging!!! Most of my DIY projects end up jerryrigging things to make them fit. Thanks for sharing this video. I am encouraged to keep on trying!
There is a tool already made that augers out the pipe while leaving the socket intact. It has various names, but the most common are the "socket Saver" or PVC reaming tool. It comes in various sizes and isn't that expensive. A real time and aggravation saver.
Every time I've removed a piece of makeup from the hub of sch40 pipe, I'll cut the notch (as you did) and immediately after that I warm the hub and piece with a torch. Sch40 lights up REAL fast so you have to be very careful and keep the flame moving, once it's heated up, it peels off like a bandaid.
Heat the PVC with a heat gun and the glue let's go. When it gets hot run a screwdriver in the joint to fold it in, grab it with a needle nose pliers and start winding the piece like opening an old Spam can. Works fast and clean. Ready to reglue new piece in.
You didn't bring it up, but I love your taping those PVC cans together. It's obvious why you did it, but why didn't I think of that. I do very little plumbing work but that's a great idea. ......why tip over one can when you can spill two. 😁 Seriously, good idea.
My dad and I were contractors. We worked together for 30 years. I started working with him when I was 13years old part time. Then full time after HS. They were the best years of our lives. We worked so hard but we laughed every day. My dad sadly passed away a few years ago. I lost so much. A dad, a wonderful teacher, and my best friend. It's great watching videos like this with a dad and son. Enjoy every day together. Unfortunately time goes by so fast. Great job guys.
I have used the same method until one day I just broke down and bought a set of reamers for that reason. Reamer just basically takes out of old pipe piece in the connection joint and makes so much easier!!
I'm a contractor myself and have done something very similar, the only thing I did different is that I poured the concrete first before i glued on the closet flange. Otherwise, great job!
We had a new construction where they put the toilet too close to the wall just like this one. During our checkout of the house I asked the foreman if they could move it. He said it was virtually impossible at that stage in the construction. You guys are making the impossible possible :-) Thank you for the vid
To break out concrete mark x on floor where yo need center of flange to be, set one sledge on x and hit it with another, with a little practice you will find it take 4 hits to punch through slab. Once you have done this you can see what you need to do to finish. Makes breaking concrete slabs a dream. They also make offset toilet flange and 45 flange.
Im sure you probly heard many heat gun stories, but many times in the past iv faced this. I found if you trim fitting like you have and on the fitting your removing coat the bit being removed with the same glue your useing on the side unglued then light it with match.the pvc will get soft enough to pry out with screw driver. have a pail of water with a rag to cool pipe. do not inale any fumes at any stage. make sure you are fire safe first and plan with safe planning. try it outside as a dry run and you will find with a little pactice you have a easy way to remove most used fitting and have been a method i use when every thing else wasnt working.
I appreciate the fact that you do not cut out the problems you run into while doing a job. When I was younger I asked myself what am I doing wrong seeing as I always ran into problems. I doubted myself and believed that other contractors never had problems because they had more experience but the truth is they had problems too. They just never admitted it.
The "socket savers" do a good job of re-drilling a PVC or ABS socket, but you have to be able to get the bit and drill in line above the target socket. I've found very, very few times that I've had access to reach it. Good for recycling fittings on the bench.
They really are essential now. Along with the inside pipe cutting bit it's pretty much indispensible bathroom remodeling tools. One way that works well is to use a heat gun on that hub then when the pipe is soft you can get behind it and twist it out but the first time you use socket savers it's like, " why the hell did I work so hard for so long."
I ran into the same problem with some 2" Sch40. I finally used a heat gun to stop the pieces from breaking off. It took 30 minutes but I saved the fitting and reused it. Also, I like the taped cleaner and glue cans. Thanks for the video.
Being just a jackleg home fixer upper I was gonna mention a heat gun but I see others already have...but nice to show it all in a jam having to do what you had to do to get er done and now I don't feel so bad over some of the things I've done.
Aww, the end broke my heart. You guys did great, keep your chin up ❤ My husband and I love watching your videos. Even though this wasn't easy, we appreciate you uploading it anyways. Sometimes things don't go as planned and that's okay!
Guys like you make society work. You're more valuable to society than most of your clients & even your viewers. Huge respect for what you're giving to all of us.
I did this once. Lots of messing with the subfloor, but it got done. At least it was easy to work on as it wasn't an overhead job or anything like that. Moved it to allow a bigger vanity into the bathroom.
I’d have dug down to the horizontal, cut it, put on a 4” coupling, a sweeping 90 and stubbed it. Then, cardboard around the stub, mix and pour concrete, pull the cardboard from the stub and set the flange. Further, I’d have moved the supply straight away 5” left, stubbed and capped, repaired the drywall and put on a new angle stop + escutcheon. I’m not beating you guys up at all. Your attitudes are great and infectious. What you did will work. That was one heck of a hiccup having to go back for 4” (UGH) Been there for various reasons over the years. Great clip and thank you!
I just replaced a cast iron toilet flange and went through similar frustrations removing the darn thing. You guys handled it with patience and a lot less swearing(at least on camera) than I did!
I feel your pain in working to install a new toilet…When I replaced one of our toilets, I spent hours grinding down a rusted cast iron pipe so a new flange could be put on it. Relatively simple jobs almost always seem to have something that makes it tougher than expected. I like their positive, git er dun, attitude.
Great results for a ton of work! Glad you’re doing ok after the hurricane & hope everyone down there gets back on their feet soon. It looks like it did up here after our derecho storm in last summer. Trees down everywhere & still doing cleanup…
I have removed the old PVC pipe just as you did here. Even used a hack saw blade and manually cut it inside and pried with a chisel or flat screw driver. Dremmeled any glue etc. Some months ago I ordered a 3 and a 4 inch Jones Stephens Socket Saver on eBay. About $30 for both with free shipping. Can't wait to use them.
A 3" fitting Hub will fit snug into a 4" pipe, in this case you could have used your 3" fittings.. will help you with height issues as 3" fittings are shorter and can glue directly into the 4" pipe without removing and or butchering the 4" hub..
Yes , put a 4x3 bushing reducer into that 4” hub and then use 2 3” Street 45s. Plumbing code is requires a minimum of 15” from center of flange of space left and right. And 12” from back wall. If it were me, I would have dug a little more and got rid of that 4” Elbow, coupling out and just elbow to where you needed it.
As a plumber too, we dont like to give out info so the diy can copy us, how else are we going to make money doing this job? Remember is power, and we dont give it away for free.
Thanks for sharing guys… I have a small remodeling company in Lubbock, Tx and it’s very cool to watch y’all’s videos…. Sometimes the smallest jobs are the most difficult!!
Out of all your videos I've watched, this one is the most like every single one of my jobs. It's a fight to the very end, it never goes smooth, but I never give up! Ironically I just moved my toilet flange over in my own house earlier this week and had to fix the pitch of the entire drain pipe because some hacks plumbed it originally.
I ❤️ perseverance! As a child, I was criticized for being “stubborn”. Ha! Most negatives have a positive, and you just proved it by hanging in despite the many obstacles. Yippee. Another Stud Pack success. Jordan, great shots and kudos for the honest editing.
We use socket savers to remove pipe from hubs like this. They fit is a regular drill or chuck hole hawg. I feel your pain though, I have come behind other plumbers to move a closet flange only to find a 4" combo in the way of the direction it needs to move and spent hours and hours finding a solution.
There is an internal hole cutter made specifically for drilling out pipe hubs and there are also offset toilet flanges made to make this job much easier...but if you don't have all that...you make it work like you did there...looks good
The center of the flange must be a minimum of fifteen inches from the side wall and from any other fixtures installed on the other side, by code. The code compromises made below the concrete won’t be visible except to those who view this video, but the distance to the side wall and other fixtures can easily be measured without having to view this video.
Yeah, that brought back memories. I was helping a friend (now my wife) change a toilet at a house she just got for her daughter. It was leaking around the base, so I said "Sure! I can help". Then I discovered it was connected to a broken cast iron 2" offset. I thought, "No problem. Remove the offset and get a 10" toilet". Turns out this WAS a 10" toilet. The damn pipe was 8" on center from the wall.... Yup, I cut the terrazzo & dug out, then had to go down far enough to allow for the twin street elbows. What a nightmare. I was in I.T.....
That was some job you guys did there. its all about the quality of the customer experience. unfortunately most of the time our clients never see the extra mile we go to to make there project top notch. Hope you guys get back to normality real soon after that storm. Keep safe
I've done that before and still didn't have the hight to do it so I used a 4 by 3 bush in the hub and reduced to 3 inch pipe and then I had the clearance to make it work. You reduced to a 3 inch closet ring anyway. also with three inch street fittings you could bush the inside of the 4 inch 90 like you did with the closet ring and save yourself a bunch of work. Just a thought.
Best quote of the video!! I should be in a hot 🔥 tub in Texas right now!! We all have been there after a long day of getting her done!! Keep up the good work& we are glad you guys are safe!! See you in your next video & podcast soon..
Thanks so much for posting this video. I too have a toilet that sits ridiculously close to the tub. There’s plenty of room on the other side so I’ll never understand why this made this way but glad to see it can be fixed!
Wow, good job, I normally run a mile when customers want stuff like that as I know no-body appreciates what it entails or what its worth. You did pretty good in my books, 25yrs on the tools plumbing and i wouldn't have attempted that one..
I had to do a similar thing when I redid my downstairs bath for my mom to live with me - I took an old late-60's toilet installation and moved it over to make it ADA compliant so we could install grab bars, etc. And I had the same problem - not enough altitude. What I did was to go down to 3" pipe -- all the bend radii are shorter, which makes the fittings need less altitude. I used a 4"->3" bushing and then did pretty much exactly the same things as you did. That reducer bushing probably got me 2-3" of extra altitude with the smaller pipe, though.
I would have used a flange with the stainless ring don't like those plastic ones stick some screws down into the wet cement to hold down flange when cement sets 😊
I ran into that same issue with those drill bits that cut inside the pipe. doesnt work very well. what worked great was a 4inch cutoff wheel used for a dye grinder on that same attachment. no jumping around the hole
Oatey makers a drill bit for drilling out this type of fitting. The one draw back is the metal is soft and it only lasts a couple uses. If you tackweld the bit to the shaft, the bit will last .
Loved the video. Great work, fellas. You guys give me confidence that I can handle some of the tougher jobs. I live in an older home, and it's rare that anything goes well when it comes to reno work. Keep producing videos, will ya?
You guys are awesome, such enthusiasm, even when the chips were kinda down there for a while. You operate a lot like I do at times, on the edge of your seat. Go Team!
A 3” pvc hub fits in a 4” pvc Plpe. I’ve used reg 45 in the 4” pipe and a street 45 with the street end up to accomplish this type of repair. The 3” pipe allows for the height.
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LOTS of comments regarding a heat gun. Well it would be a beautiful day on the jobsite if we had every tool we needed every single time! Sometimes gang, you just don't have what you need, but the job still has to get finished. Behind the scenes we talk about how we wish we had one. We also discuss 45 degree flanges, Reducers, and digging deeper. And sometimes you're at the mercy of the local hardware store selection. Real World Stuff. Some great tips down below, keep em coming we love reading em! Thanks Gang 👊
Looked like my typical day.... what can go wrong does go wrong, dang near every single time. If it weren't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. ;-)
This is what I like about you.. it's realistic DIY level construction. You just gotta go with the parts and tools you can get your hands on.. I had to use a flex coupler wich I realy hate just because none of the stores carried the old style 30 and 60 degree bends. And the existing T is in the concrete floor of my 2nd floor apartment.
I agree w Northern Light & with you..You have to get the job done with the tools on hand & sometimes it goes side ways. LOVE the content & real life problems you guys tackle!! Keep up the good work..
I just got the BUZZ!
Wherever you bought the pipe probably sells them... You mentioned 2 extra trips to the store so while you were out, probably should have got the $25 tool for the job while you were there. I don't know what your time's worth to you, but the time you wasted doing it that way would have been worth $25 to me.
From one contractor to another I greatly appreciate the uncut version of this job. It shows the hell we go through at times. You guys showed there's a solution to every problem... well, most times, hah!
Think this also helps most non DIYrs and new contractors why demo work is often more expensive- you NEVER know what you find when you start demo. (Just shake head and ponder who and why they did what they did).
Honestly a real plumber would know with pvc you need to heat it up while caping it out. Shouldn't be that difficult.
yeah imagine the travesty of someone trying to waste your time with a short that doesn't even tell you the problem...
glad were not alone.
If you were a contractor and you did that to my plumbing i would be pissed
Thank you for showing the exact process including the not-so-perfect parts. I've built a couple of houses of my own and generally grew up working on my own stuff and I get a little annoyed when I see these perfect jobs where everybody pretends that all went perfect. It's much better to see reality. I watched every minute of this from one end to the other and really enjoyed it. Thank you
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I did the same thing. 👍
As a hardcore diyer and having rental properties. This is fuckin amazing!
I felt every issue you went through! Subbed for life! Thank you for this!
I used to build swimming pools and moving drain lines was one of the frequent tasks. If you all run into this again, do a little more cutting with the saw. A little checker board pattern in the area you are trying to remove will save you a lot of time with the chipping hammer. I am also bald and had a large can of the purple primer fall off the rebar shelf I was putting a 4 inch pipe through and it dumped on my head. I looked like Gorbachev for almost two weeks. Great work guys!
Love your Gorbachev reference.
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Great story we all knew that it had to of happened to someone out their.😆
This had me lol for real
Well if you would have preferred blue. Try getting of that blue cleaner that we use in the back of toilet off. A smarf look 😱. Or head to two in poison oak and have to cover it with calmine. The pink panther look for sure. 😄🎭🌝🤭
This is the kind of video that I love the most, realistic DIY where everything goes wrong. And thanks for not editing all of the problems out.
IT'S A HILARIOUS VIDEO!
I loved this video! I’m a plumber and I totally understand that sometimes you just gotta make things work with what you have to get the job done! It doesn’t matter how much knowledge or experience you have, some jobs just don’t go as planned and turn into nightmares. I love how you still stay positive and keep moving forward. It’s encouraging to us all!
Appreciate that very much Daniel 👍👊
I would never allow a hack job like that in my house. He could have just dug deeper to get the clearance he needed. Total BS.
@@timcat1004 Right? I cant believe people here are applauding this, especially with cutting the hub in half. Im thinking Im the crazy one reading these comments
@@timcat1004 guess what , builder grade is often worse than this.
This video felt like 90% of the “2 hour” projects I do. Kudos for staying level headed and crossing the finish line.👍
Truly. I can relate as well. Any job that involves chipping out old concrete and building something in the hole under it. Red lights flashing in my mind just looking at it.
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Exactly.
I think it's great you guys show the "figuring out" process. Most YT channels just show everything working perfectly, but as we all know when you start trying to do things yourself it never works right.
Never works right..... truer words never spoken!
Agreed. So much more relatable.
Was going to say the samething!!
and then sometimes it just goes smooth as silk..
start trying to do it the first time. on the second try. you will be many many times better
Your videos aren’t just educational for any construction projects, but I think I enjoy watching the father/son time the two of you spend together the most. Keep up the good work guys.
I appreciate this accurate representation of a home repair project. Problem solving and using what you have available. Too many times people post these "perfect" reno videos, and it gives others a false sense of it being easy. Thanks for sharing!
Been a plumber for the better part of my working life and I might have shaken my head a little, but I didn't tune out. I love you guys. Wouldn't miss a second. Old work gets pretty rough sometimes. We've all been there. I've had to trim no hub fittings here and there, but I can't say I've ever trimmed a plastic fitting. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. I'm pretty sure I think I disapprove, but I've had to do plenty of other sketchy things to get a job done so I won't pass too much judgement. I know a decent socket saver ain't cheap, but even if you only use it once in your life it'll save you some post traumatic stress.
Thx Richard 👊. I really appreciate the comment 👍💪
Healthy attitude. Too many times pros will jump into videos like this and be super judgmental or holier-than-thou about the approaches shown. I'm sure I've done the same thing. But you're right: we all know sometimes people slip into sketchier territory in an attempt to get the job done. You conveyed your opinion that it might not be the best thing to do while still being nice about it! Thanks for showing us the right way to comment, Richard. :)
@@myrimu9829 When you've seen the things I've seen, you realize that, no matter how long you've done something, you know next to nothing. Things that should never work do. Things that are money back guaranteed to work don't. Things that have worked for you every single time, won't work for you this time. I think you get the point. There is no right way. There are only right outcomes. Do the very best you can. Follow best practice. Be honest, fix what you broke when you looked at it the wrong way and do what's right-est. Do those things and everything will end up alright. That's why I love these guys. Always giving it their all. In 10 years if somehow that joint came apart and someone noticed, I'm 100% confident they'd be back there to fix it. Not just tradesmen, but good men. Not enough of them in my trade, or any trade, today.
@@StudPack i'v been a licensed plumber for forty years, but i must admit i'v had to do something similar to get the job done. what a pain but i got through it (not my proudest moment) but it got done and it held up. good job.
This seems to be the way things go EVERYTIME I need to repair/replace plumbing issues. I appreciate your ingenuity as expertise!
Oh man, this video is all too relatable. Definitely have had a few of those days on my renovation.
Oh man, mixing concrete in the dark while exhausted... been there trying to get a tub set at the end of a long day. Thanks for being on RUclips! Kudos to Jordan for being the one to get this all going and his great video work; and to you both for your great work ethic and attitudes.
What I like about you guys is you are real. No BS making things look easy all the time. Sometimes you struggle more than you expect in real life and you show that. Everything doesn't come out perfect like you originally intended. Good job.👍
My buddy is a plumbing apprentice and loves to call out any goofy code violation and would probably cry watching this video. And because of that.... You got my like and subscription.
😂 thx
Never underestimate the power of spite.
Lol they drill the code on you, then you learn that n the real world “ acceptable solutions “ need t be use.
The violation I see is a contractor practicing outside the limitations of his license
This video depicts what should NEVER be done in a situation like this. Epic fail.
Glad yall are safe. I love that you add the "mistake" edits. Shows that not every project is 100% perfect 100% of the time and even pros get that puzzled look.
Thx Jeremy 👍👊
As a plumber that's been plumbing for over five years, good at what I do and take pride in my work... I've always had a huge imposter syndrome. Somehow seeing this video takes a huge weight of my shoulders because I'm always beating myself up about things I don't do PREFECTLY. I feel justified somehow now when I get things done even at the expense of a little "cheating". 👍Subscribed
Let's say I wanted to move the flange 4" vs 5".... do I still use two 45° elbows and just cut them shorter to get the distance down?
@@VivaLasVegusNervana use 22s if you can get it with 45s. If you can't get it with 22s use an offset flange, yes it is a real fitting. Or use 45s and an offset flange to bring it back a little. Options are broad.
I get imposter syndrome all the time. Some of these guys with 15-20 years in just make me feel stupid sometimes. This video made me feel great about my competency. This is a project a foreman would expect finished before lunch lol.
“Imposter syndrome”, I like that. As a “Jack of all trades” I feel that a lot. I always say, “there’s the wrong way to do things, there’s the “code” way to do things, and then there’s “my” way. It’s always safe and works so, whatev. Lol
Wow,I'm a GC.I could pick that one apart. But,forget the criticism. You showed your son a great life lesson and gave him a memory with you.Hats off to you.Great Dad.
OMG guys thank you this was epic. Made me feel so much better after my harrowing odyssey into my crawlspace today. Had a project I thought I could complete above ground, but at the end, had to go subterranean to replace one last piece of galvanized pipe that had gone rotten. Vertical clearances of only about 14" and at the end, a mummified cat to add to my terror. Thankfully done, and static pressure testing while I raise a glass to my fallen feline comrade. I'd trade a couple hours sweat to avoid that again.
Far too many times have I been in that position where a seemingly "small" job takes the most time, takes the most unexpected turns, takes the most trips to the store, and can certainly kick your butt and make you want to quit. Great job guys
Never give up, never surrender! Nice going, guys
no more room for calisthenics tho.....
By Grabthar’s Hammer, did you just quote Mathasar from “Galaxy Quest”? Outstanding!
@@philipbohi983 you got it
@@philipbohi983 what a savings
Love the sound effects when trying to bust out the concrete with the sledge hammer 😄
I'm a 40 year old man who was raised in a house that was built in the 1890's. Over the years, my Dad and I (mostly him) have replaced, repaired, moved, changed out, etc. so many things. His saying is "....it's always something...". When something goes wrong, or is unexpected, in a project (and there always is), that's what he and I always say. Because it IS always something. The fulfillment when you finish a job and do it well after it being a tough one like this though is very rewarding.
Great job on this video. I just subscribed. I love the dynamic of you guys in the video, and the "real world" showing of various house jobs like this.
So often having to chase a problem deeper, and putting in far more time and money into the job sometimes. But, damn it feels good when you get it done and done right. You men do a damn fine job, great work ethic and finding creative solutions for better than expected results. From one to the next, I salute you both with angle square and saw.
"...Turds are going to have fun!" said no one ever, LMAO LOVED this video!
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There's a tool made specifically for that situation.It's called a socket saver worth it's weight in gold. They are available at most big box stores and come in all sizes. Easy pezy with the right tools .
Yeah I know. Probably need to invest in those 👊
I was thinking about one of those tools the whole time they were struggling with cutting out the pipe. Would have saved them so much time.
I have the fitting savers in all sizes you are right they are amazing, have saved the day many times
holy shhh just looked that tool up thats so legit
Thanks for sharing. Didn't know about socket saver
what about sinking a couple of screws in the flange holes before the concrete set up (or after) to make sure that those weakened cut down flanges don't fail?
Those pipes are in no way structural. The toilet sits on the concrete and there's simply a wax ring above that plastic circle for the water seal. The pipe is set in concrete so it won't move. I believe the screw holes are there if you have the flange on top of a subfloor or OSB just as an attachment point so the pipe doesn't shift but in this case, the concrete already accomplishes that.
The flange will crack if not screwed down, even if it’s in concrete. Some people are weird and move around a lot when, uh, taking care of business.
Loved the video! It reminded me of my dads jobs he would do. He was such a multitalented man. And he knew how to maneuver with what he had to make things work. He worked early mornings to late evenings doing construction, plumbing and electrical. He had a huge heart for people. So it felt like he helped the world. You’re blessed to spend time with your dad.❤ God bless you both
plumber here, there is a tool called a "socket saver" would make things a lot easier, also if you ever need to break pipe out of the hub, put a stainless steel hose clamp around the hub, it will usually prevent the hub from cracking.
Glad you guys are holding up! Its always those "just a few inches" projects that end up taking the longest time and requires 2-3 trips to the store lol
Nice Try Bro, I agree with you totally. I'm currently rehabbing (not remodeling) a house that's just over 60 yrs old. After that many years of settling, nothing is still completely level, square, or plumb. Constantly running into one head ache and pain in the a$$ after another. But there's a certain gratification that comes with formulating a practical and reasonable work around (obviously needs to be safe also).
@@watchinit6530 a lot of the old houses were never plumb, level or square.
@@speckulator7516 , Correct. I'm removing drywall in order to install wall insulation. Some of the wall studs are not in good alignment with the rest of the studs on the wall. Makes installing the new replacement drywall really interesting. 😳
This is why I like these guys. They are keeping it real. Sometimes practical is all that is needed as long as it works.
Love seeing the dad/son content. I grew up building kitchen cabinets with dad. Currently full time nursing at a state hospital but working on my dream of being a business owner/operator. Side hustle is doing good but I want it full time. Keep up the great work, Fam.
I truly love your channel. I’m in the middle of a DIY in my basement bathroom and you have been the most help: from watching your videos and calling a few contractors in my area for advice. I can truly say that you guys are freaking amazing. I thank you for all the information you share in recording your journey even the mistakes through the videos but it’s not about that it’s all about the work. I think you for the level of care that you show for your work and the level of craftsmanship you guys exhibit. Thank you.
Great job guys. One thing I would do different is rotate the toilet flange so the bolt doesn't end up in the middle of the slot, but rather at the end of the slot. Your bolts are always going to be in the middle of the flange so there's no need to do that. I've had to repair many broken flanges because of this thinking. Good job
Glad to see your haveing the same problems us normal people have when we do a job. Love it . Keep up the good work.
Thx Mike 👍
I appreciate the father son interaction keeping it real when frustrating out-tro pep from your son👍
Thx Albert 👍
jones stephens socket saver 4" (it reams the pipe out of the fitting) is $14 might help if you come across this again
Best video!!! Very encouraging!!! Most of my DIY projects end up jerryrigging things to make them fit. Thanks for sharing this video. I am encouraged to keep on trying!
There is a tool already made that augers out the pipe while leaving the socket intact. It has various names, but the most common are the "socket Saver" or PVC reaming tool. It comes in various sizes and isn't that expensive. A real time and aggravation saver.
Every time I've removed a piece of makeup from the hub of sch40 pipe, I'll cut the notch (as you did) and immediately after that I warm the hub and piece with a torch. Sch40 lights up REAL fast so you have to be very careful and keep the flame moving, once it's heated up, it peels off like a bandaid.
You definitely earned the “smash the like button” on this one. I was worn out watching you do al that work!!!
Thx Shane 👊
I agree.
Absolutely 💯
Heat the PVC with a heat gun and the glue let's go. When it gets hot run a screwdriver in the joint to fold it in, grab it with a needle nose pliers and start winding the piece like opening an old Spam can.
Works fast and clean. Ready to reglue new piece in.
I was about to say the same thing. Heat gun works great. Saves the fustration and headache.
Thx Johnny I’ll try it 👊
Just pull those fittings apart from each other, oh sorry you can't you leave on wrong continent. Here in Europe we don't glue pipes.
You didn't bring it up, but I love your taping those PVC cans together. It's obvious why you did it, but why didn't I think of that. I do very little plumbing work but that's a great idea.
......why tip over one can when you can spill two. 😁
Seriously, good idea.
Done it many a time. Always been a little skeptical about doing that on a pressure joint but it works great for dwv
My dad and I were contractors. We worked together for 30 years. I started working with him when I was 13years old part time. Then full time after HS. They were the best years of our lives. We worked so hard but we laughed every day. My dad sadly passed away a few years ago. I lost so much. A dad, a wonderful teacher, and my best friend. It's great watching videos like this with a dad and son. Enjoy every day together. Unfortunately time goes by so fast. Great job guys.
I have used the same method until one day I just broke down and bought a set of reamers for that reason. Reamer just basically takes out of old pipe piece in the connection joint and makes so much easier!!
I'm a contractor myself and have done something very similar, the only thing I did different is that I poured the concrete first before i glued on the closet flange. Otherwise, great job!
We had a new construction where they put the toilet too close to the wall just like this one. During our checkout of the house I asked the foreman if they could move it. He said it was virtually impossible at that stage in the construction. You guys are making the impossible possible :-) Thank you for the vid
He was thinking about economy and he couldn't be bothered, nothing is impossible. The impossible just costs a bit more ;)
Impossible meant he didn’t wanna do it.
To break out concrete mark x on floor where yo need center of flange to be, set one sledge on x and hit it with another, with a little practice you will find it take 4 hits to punch through slab. Once you have done this you can see what you need to do to finish. Makes breaking concrete slabs a dream. They also make offset toilet flange and 45 flange.
Im sure you probly heard many heat gun stories, but many times in the past iv faced this. I found if you trim fitting like you have and on the fitting your removing coat the bit being removed with the same glue your useing on the side unglued then light it with match.the pvc will get soft enough to pry out with screw driver. have a pail of water with a rag to cool pipe. do not inale any fumes at any stage. make sure you are fire safe first and plan with safe planning. try it outside as a dry run and you will find with a little pactice you have a easy way to remove most used fitting and have been a method i use when every thing else wasnt working.
I appreciate the fact that you do not cut out the problems you run into while doing a job. When I was younger I asked myself what am I doing wrong seeing as I always ran into problems. I doubted myself and believed that other contractors never had problems because they had more experience but the truth is they had problems too. They just never admitted it.
Look into a drill bit called a “socket saver”, a must have for anyone who remodels old plumbing work!
Thanks for the advise. Gathering tools for my bathroom remodel.
The "socket savers" do a good job of re-drilling a PVC or ABS socket, but you have to be able to get the bit and drill in line above the target socket. I've found very, very few times that I've had access to reach it. Good for recycling fittings on the bench.
@@chrisgraham2904 probably would have been perfect in this case
A great tool, the nice ones are pretty expensive though.
What you need to add to your toolbox is a nice set of "fitting savers".
Was thinking the same thing the entire video...Get some Wheeler Rex.
They really are essential now. Along with the inside pipe cutting bit it's pretty much indispensible bathroom remodeling tools.
One way that works well is to use a heat gun on that hub then when the pipe is soft you can get behind it and twist it out but the first time you use socket savers it's like, " why the hell did I work so hard for so long."
Fellas, nice job hanging in there! Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug…
I ran into the same problem with some 2" Sch40. I finally used a heat gun to stop the pieces from breaking off. It took 30 minutes but I saved the fitting and reused it. Also, I like the taped cleaner and glue cans. Thanks for the video.
Being just a jackleg home fixer upper I was gonna mention a heat gun but I see others already have...but nice to show it all in a jam having to do what you had to do to get er done and now I don't feel so bad over some of the things I've done.
Aww, the end broke my heart. You guys did great, keep your chin up ❤ My husband and I love watching your videos. Even though this wasn't easy, we appreciate you uploading it anyways. Sometimes things don't go as planned and that's okay!
Good job guys!!
I almost fell off the toilet when you used Buzz Lightyear to determine if the spacing was too close.
Guys like you make society work. You're more valuable to society than most of your clients & even your viewers. Huge respect for what you're giving to all of us.
I did this once. Lots of messing with the subfloor, but it got done. At least it was easy to work on as it wasn't an overhead job or anything like that. Moved it to allow a bigger vanity into the bathroom.
I’d have dug down to the horizontal, cut it, put on a 4” coupling, a sweeping 90 and stubbed it. Then, cardboard around the stub, mix and pour concrete, pull the cardboard from the stub and set the flange. Further, I’d have moved the supply straight away 5” left, stubbed and capped, repaired the drywall and put on a new angle stop + escutcheon.
I’m not beating you guys up at all. Your attitudes are great and infectious. What you did will work. That was one heck of a hiccup having to go back for 4” (UGH) Been there for various reasons over the years. Great clip and thank you!
I just replaced a cast iron toilet flange and went through similar frustrations removing the darn thing. You guys handled it with patience and a lot less swearing(at least on camera) than I did!
I feel your pain in working to install a new toilet…When I replaced one of our toilets, I spent hours grinding down a rusted cast iron pipe so a new flange could be put on it. Relatively simple jobs almost always seem to have something that makes it tougher than expected. I like their positive, git er dun, attitude.
Great results for a ton of work! Glad you’re doing ok after the hurricane & hope everyone down there gets back on their feet soon. It looks like it did up here after our derecho storm in last summer. Trees down everywhere & still doing cleanup…
I have removed the old PVC pipe just as you did here. Even used a hack saw blade and manually cut it inside and pried with a chisel or flat screw driver. Dremmeled any glue etc. Some months ago I ordered a 3 and a 4 inch Jones Stephens Socket Saver on eBay. About $30 for both with free shipping. Can't wait to use them.
I like that you show your struggles and trial by error. Shows your humanity. Thanks.
A 3" fitting Hub will fit snug into a 4" pipe, in this case you could have used your 3" fittings.. will help you with height issues as 3" fittings are shorter and can glue directly into the 4" pipe without removing and or butchering the 4" hub..
Yes , put a 4x3 bushing reducer into that 4” hub and then use 2 3” Street 45s. Plumbing code is requires a minimum of 15” from center of flange of space left and right. And 12” from back wall. If it were me, I would have dug a little more and got rid of that 4” Elbow, coupling out and just elbow to where you needed it.
These guys live and work in the same world as I do. Good to know I am not the only one who runs into these kinds of challenges. Well done Paul!
I've been a plumber for 40 years. I wanted to reach out and help you guys so badly. It was hard to watch, but you guys had such a great attitude. 👍
Hey! How would you have helped??? What does your 40 years of experience tell you they should have done differently???? If you share we can all benefit
just echoing what @Tyler H said. What would you have done with the tools they had that would have made it easier?
4” underground would have saved time.
They could have used a socket saver if they had the tool. You plumber are going to take your knowledge with you when you leave to your home
As a plumber too, we dont like to give out info so the diy can copy us, how else are we going to make money doing this job? Remember is power, and we dont give it away for free.
I appreciate the hard and complicated process of that kind of repairs, ...
Thanks for sharing guys… I have a small remodeling company in Lubbock, Tx and it’s very cool to watch y’all’s videos…. Sometimes the smallest jobs are the most difficult!!
Awesome thx Jordan 💪👊
Out of all your videos I've watched, this one is the most like every single one of my jobs. It's a fight to the very end, it never goes smooth, but I never give up! Ironically I just moved my toilet flange over in my own house earlier this week and had to fix the pitch of the entire drain pipe because some hacks plumbed it originally.
Good morning SP! Glad y’all are ok!! I didn’t know Buzz Lightyear was an ADA inspector. 😂
I ❤️ perseverance! As a child, I was criticized for being “stubborn”. Ha! Most negatives have a positive, and you just proved it by hanging in despite the many obstacles. Yippee. Another Stud Pack success. Jordan, great shots and kudos for the honest editing.
We use socket savers to remove pipe from hubs like this. They fit is a regular drill or chuck hole hawg. I feel your pain though, I have come behind other plumbers to move a closet flange only to find a 4" combo in the way of the direction it needs to move and spent hours and hours finding a solution.
There is an internal hole cutter made specifically for drilling out pipe hubs and there are also offset toilet flanges made to make this job much easier...but if you don't have all that...you make it work like you did there...looks good
Should have checked for a 12” distance from finish wall while gluing
That's what I was thinking!
The center of the flange must be a minimum of fifteen inches from the side wall and from any other fixtures installed on the other side, by code. The code compromises made below the concrete won’t be visible except to those who view this video, but the distance to the side wall and other fixtures can easily be measured without having to view this video.
Yeah, that brought back memories. I was helping a friend (now my wife) change a toilet at a house she just got for her daughter. It was leaking around the base, so I said "Sure! I can help". Then I discovered it was connected to a broken cast iron 2" offset. I thought, "No problem. Remove the offset and get a 10" toilet". Turns out this WAS a 10" toilet. The damn pipe was 8" on center from the wall....
Yup, I cut the terrazzo & dug out, then had to go down far enough to allow for the twin street elbows. What a nightmare. I was in I.T.....
This is why you have a wife now.
That was some job you guys did there. its all about the quality of the customer experience. unfortunately most of the time our clients never see the extra mile we go to to make there project top notch.
Hope you guys get back to normality real soon after that storm.
Keep safe
Great job guys. The only thing I would consider is gluing the flange after the tile has been placed.
I've done that before and still didn't have the hight to do it so I used a 4 by 3 bush in the hub and reduced to 3 inch pipe and then I had the clearance to make it work. You reduced to a 3 inch closet ring anyway. also with three inch street fittings you could bush the inside of the 4 inch 90 like you did with the closet ring and save yourself a bunch of work. Just a thought.
They make a 3in 45 offset flange that works with a 3in 45, that will fit inside of 4in pvc, as long as you have the depth for it.
True but knowing such an adapter exists only works if the supply store you are shopping carries it.
Best quote of the video!! I should be in a hot 🔥 tub in Texas right now!! We all have been there after a long day of getting her done!! Keep up the good work& we are glad you guys are safe!! See you in your next video & podcast soon..
Thx Miles 👊👍
Can't say I didn't laugh at "I've been working with" 4 inches part haha
Thanks so much for posting this video. I too have a toilet that sits ridiculously close to the tub. There’s plenty of room on the other side so I’ll never understand why this made this way but glad to see it can be fixed!
Thanks for this video. You have given me the confidence to get my toilet moved over. Thanks. You’re evening sky in LA was beautiful.
Wow, good job, I normally run a mile when customers want stuff like that as I know no-body appreciates what it entails or what its worth. You did pretty good in my books, 25yrs on the tools plumbing and i wouldn't have attempted that one..
Much appreciated thx 👍💪
I’ve cut glued up DWV pipe like that before. It’s never enjoyable but you did a great job.
Thx Bob 👍
I had to do a similar thing when I redid my downstairs bath for my mom to live with me - I took an old late-60's toilet installation and moved it over to make it ADA compliant so we could install grab bars, etc. And I had the same problem - not enough altitude. What I did was to go down to 3" pipe -- all the bend radii are shorter, which makes the fittings need less altitude. I used a 4"->3" bushing and then did pretty much exactly the same things as you did. That reducer bushing probably got me 2-3" of extra altitude with the smaller pipe, though.
would have been my thought also. if the poop gets past the toilet bend, it's not going to hang up in the 3" for the 1" of street el's
NEVER GIVE UP! beautiful sunset shots in this one. Thanks for showing how it doesn't always go so smooth but it always goes the Stud Pack way
I would have used a flange with the stainless ring don't like those plastic ones stick some screws down into the wet cement to hold down flange when cement sets 😊
I just had this conversation with my plumber. He said sometimes it’s harder to move a toilet three inches than three feet!
Very true 👍
If it's PVC Hit that pipe with a heat gun. Glue let's lose and PVC gets soft, it just peels out. Also doesn't damage existing pipe.
Where’s the affiliate link for the official Stud Pack buzz lightyear gauge??? Haha
Love the channel and great to hear y’all are doing good!
THAT would have been great. A link to any Buzz-Lightyear doll, but call it a 'gauge."
I ran into that same issue with those drill bits that cut inside the pipe. doesnt work very well. what worked great was a 4inch cutoff wheel used for a dye grinder on that same attachment. no jumping around the hole
Oatey makers a drill bit for drilling out this type of fitting. The one draw back is the metal is soft and it only lasts a couple uses. If you tackweld the bit to the shaft, the bit will last .
Loved the video. Great work, fellas. You guys give me confidence that I can handle some of the tougher jobs. I live in an older home, and it's rare that anything goes well when it comes to reno work. Keep producing videos, will ya?
It seems like some jobs takes longer than planned.
I’m a master plumber for 45 years I’ve had to cut many fittings down to size to make it work you did great job with what you had
Only hacks do crap like this. Real plumbers know better.
You guys are awesome, such enthusiasm, even when the chips were kinda down there for a while. You operate a lot like I do at times, on the edge of your seat. Go Team!
If it wasn't dark when they finished, we probably would have seen that tipped over tree trunk kicked down the street to help vent their frustrations.
Thanks for showing me that even the pros run into problems. My house was built in 1960s, so it's a battle working on any project from minor to major.
A 3” pvc hub fits in a 4” pvc Plpe. I’ve used reg 45 in the 4” pipe and a street 45 with the street end up to accomplish this type of repair. The 3” pipe allows for the height.