So happy my Bears are coming back - even if it’s in Perth. So call them Perth. Melbourne aren’t the Southern Storm. They’re Melbourne. Plus, we already have Wests Tigers. What’s that! And the Dolphins are just the Dolphins. You need geographical names.
nah, as long as your arsehole is pointing to the ground the Bears from north Sydney or any watered down relocated version will NEVER play in the NRL again.
@@thygfr The Reds is a kangaroo. I didn't like the white at the front of the jumper myself. But didn't mind the black or red much. It was just a jumper of the times. With yellow and white pin stripes from memory. You should look at some of the soccer shirts that the Socceroos and England wore in the 90s. a bit lairy.
I am a North Sydney Bears fan and will not be buying Western Bears merch. That is a totally different team. Unless it says North Sydney, I am not buying. Why not start a team in the west and have a North Sydney / Central Coast bears. Best of both worlds.
West Sydney Tigers. Problem sol-ved. Calling a WA team Western or West Coast is a no brainer. Perth can be good too. But WA is massive and being known as Western helps promote the code and team into regional areas. WA is 3 times the size of NSW.
I feel like a Western "home game" in Sydney being at Allianz is defeating the whole purpose of the returning to their traditional home idea, there'd be at least one game there a year against the Chooks already and I'm sure the Sydney fans would prefer North Sydney Oval
Yep I agree 100%, but from a commercial point of view, they’ll make more money if it’s held at Allianz. Hopefully the administration can look past financial gains for once in favour of social and cultural gains 🙌
@@mikespearwood3914 lol you're kidding right in 2027 when their Eastcoast home game is Bears vs Sea Eagles, they going to need more seats and corporate boxes than the Sh1t 10,000 capacity North Sydney can hold. However in 2028 when they're home Sydney game is against the say the Titans or Warriors, then yeah 10K seats will be enough
18th Perth bears 19th PNG (1 home game per year in PNG, QLD based) 20 Adelaide (Jets/Rams/ect) If I’m the NRL, this is what I’m doing, don’t mess with what’s going on in NZ, the country is behind one team
Happy that Western Australia has the complete set of sports in Australia. AFL, Super Rugby, A-League soccer, Big Bash Cricket, Domestic State Cricket and NBL Basketball. Now an NRL team. But Perth will also be a West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers town.
I disagree with you about it being appealing to the WA public. No one wants a Sydney team here. They want a Perth/WA team. The WA public has been sold out to keep some sydneysiders happy.
That's one way to look at it. But I'm stoked we're getting a team that's got history/support base and so is more likely to be a success, no matter what colours they're wearing
The last three teams to fill out the 20 NRL team comp should be: Perth, then NZ South Island and Adelaide depending on the success of those first two expansion teams and if it generates interest from the SA people/government. The NRL should really focus on fostering grass-root and developmental leagues in PNG before they enter the NRL.
At some stage in the future yes, but I think Perth is the right choice for now. Bigger city than Adelaide and they have the facilities. Perth does have a bigger rugby union/league following than Adelaide for now. NRL to succeed in Adelaide need to follow the Melbourne Storm model.
My personal take, and nothing agant PNG and NZ, but if the NRL really do consider them selfs as a "national" leauge. then they need at least one team in Adelaide and Perth. After that, then go to PNG, NZ, and maybe also NT and Tasmania.
Like I get it but if I was a north Sydney bears fan I’d feel a little empty by all of this. Like yeah the club is in the NRL but it’s on the other side of a continent. Yeah the one of two home games in Sydney is ok but there will be a real disconnect between the old bears fans and the western bears. I think central coast was a much better option from a bears fan perspective because at least it’s not a stupid distance to watch your team live.
Just think mate, you can make a weekend of it and fly to Perth, let ya missus do some shopping and you probably get a root for a change . Yeah, go the bears 😁
No it’s not a bad thing I just think the distance is kinda crazy. I think a stand alone or return to the reds would’ve been better. I’m happy to see the bears coming back I just think the central coast option would’ve been better for the long term bears fans. I live in the uk so my view on geographic locality is going to skewed by the fact that many fans of my local team believe travelling 30 mins by car further up the road was a massive obstacle 😂
@@Jimbo-wx9pu No more teams in NSW lol. There are way too many atm and the NRL is in a great position atm to expand their footprint. Bears fans should be grateful and excited that WA wanted to include them. Plus Sydney Bears fans will have a lot of games in Sydney to attend. Similar to South Melbourne Swans fans have with the Sydney Swans.
The Western Reds changed their name to the Perth Reds for the '97 SL season before failing to make the cut for the inaugural NRL season in '98. This might have been News Corp enforced, but still, they weren't the Western Reds the whole time. While at it, Wests Tigers should bite the bullet once and for all and fully relocate to southwestern Sydney and change their name to the Macarthur Tigers. Not saying this will get em out of the cellar, but it WILL give them a true identity finally. Naming a sports team after a geographical direction is just plain stupid.
Perth born Tigers fan here. Have discussed with a colleague who's a Bears fan. We looked at the latitude of Perth relative to Sydney. I look forward to jumping ship over to the North of Sydney Bears.
The problem is, nobody in the NRL has some vision. There are plenty of Sydney teams that have horrible crowds and results. They could buy them of and relocate to other cities like Adelaide, Central Coast, Sunshine Coast (Dolphins?) or even to New Zealand. And then they can add new teams like PNG or Fiji. They could even bring a team to Hawaii. I think Fiji is a must after Adelaide and Christchurch.
I'll be surprised if they demolish the western stand at Perth Oval (HBF) as there's a question of heritage listing on it. Might be better off going for larger tiers on the northern and southern stands- if there's room
Its the Fred Book Stand. I don't think it will be replaced any time soon. It is heritage, but sooner or later will probably go. Leederville still has it. Though Lathlain is getting theirs taken down. On Northern stands possibly, but that's where the famous Shed is for glory games. Its risky to rip that out. 20k is all you need. But corporate facilities and accessible for wheelchairs are two obvious improvements required first. The Stand possibly in the future. But that won't happen in five years surely.
@@joshuah5556 Newtown was a dying club, i lived 1 block from it, in Marrickville as Wests in Ashfield to move to outer west was going to fail, hence Westtigers now. Norths merger with Manly / Northern Eagles was only going to benefit Manly 2 years in the merger failed 😢 by taking Norths out of the equation. Sorry it was the ARL then
@markmacmurray9140 yeah I understand. But how did arl/nrl con them? Surely they knew there weren't any good options. What would you have done different? Genuinely curious
Perth Bears would’ve been a better name in my opinion. And besides, the Reds were called the Perth Reds in their very last season in 1997. Also, I don’t believe the Bears should retain their history in terms of premierships won and win/lost ratio. I feel this is more of a merger like St George Illawarra & Wests Tigers, and hence they should start fresh like those clubs did. Souths and Manly got to retain their history when they both came back because it was the exact same club with the same board.
Can we all keep in mind that this is not the return of North Sydney to the NRL. It is the creation of a new team in Perth. North Sydney fans still want a team in North Sydney / Central Coast. North Sydney are a foundation club and should have a team representing them in their homeland. Unfortunately, North Sydney do not have the same level of celebrity support to protest like South Sydney did. As a North Sydney Fan, I am not in support of a move to Perth at all. I grew up in North Sydney and this is a very disappointing result for us. Keep in mind, Perth had a team and it failed. This is not the result we need or want.
Look at the stadiums easts, parra, titans, storm, cows, ect got and then look at what they are building at Penrith. $309 million for an extra 2,500 seats, really? What a debacle.
If all you see is 2500 more seats, then you would think it's a debacle. There's a lot more to stadiums than mere capacity, else they'd just position some temporary stands at the northern end and the gap between the eastern and southern grandstands.
Yeah but Penrith's NSW legislature seat is marginal. That's why successive state governments have committed to stadium spending there. Explains why, say, Leichhardt got more federal funding (and LGAs spend was the same as state gov's) - it's a green seat in nsw state legislature.
The rectangle stadium was Perth Oval, home of East Perth Royals. Still unhappy that East Perth had to relocate to Leederville. Its EAST PERTH!!! not WEST PERTH. The ground is even in East Perth.
@@mdjcsmith Even after Glory had played 10 years at Perth oval there was a push to turn Leederville oval over to Soccer/rugby. But all the locals protested about night matches and crowds and it did't happen. Blame the locals. But would have been great with the entertainmnt precinct.
@@mdjcsmith Unfortunately, the local held sway. Basil Z and many were keen on it. Leederville with short distances behind goals operates far better as a soccer rugby ground. But the locals ruled and it stayed at Leederville... don't worry I wanted footy back at Perth oval.
If you're going to add a team in Perth then you have to add one up in Darwin too. Launceston should be given a crack in the Q-Cup and the Storm should be broken into two teams, the Melbourne Rebels (take over the Union francise) and the Victorian Storm, that way you've got all the markets covered. If you think we're going to run out of talent just go looking in the highlands of PNG, as the famous Charles Bronson once said "there's gold in them hills!". Well PVL I think you've got this one right but don't rest on your laurels, keep the foot on the gas and keep growing this competition until we've got a nice square 48 teams who can play one giant knockout tournament per year. Do away with regular season games and just keep the finals, it's way more exciting. Also why do we have to wait around for 80 mins, let the boys jump straight to golden point and see what happens. Anyway let's go Western Bears looking forward to cheering you guys on in 2027 and hopefully we can also ban those gambling ads before my step-son forces me to take another mortgage out on the house.
Staggering the entrant of new clubs i think is trying to learn from the mistakes of the past. 4 at once back in 1995 in hindsight was too much too soon.
Not happening for at least another 50 years. It would be a huge financial loss and struggle to stay afloat. Need to focus on NZ South Island or Adelaide first.
I think its unlikely that the Western stand will be rebuilt anytime soon. Its unnecessary really to replace the stand for the time being. They could put a stand north behind the goals, but then again that's the Shed which is the home of the passionate Glory supporters. Equivalent of Bay 13 at MCG. Corporate facilities needs to be developed a lot more though which is critical. Also there is a need to accommodate people in wheel chairs, because accessibility isn't the best.
Sadly the best sideline stand is the new stand on the eastern side, and it's the newest one, unless you can squeeze a press box up the top it's not really an option
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 Good for soccer, except you bake in the sun there in the middle of summer. I think they'll work on corporate facilities first and accessibility. Then over time consider replacing stands. There has been work undertaken in recent times for the Women's world cup. Remember it wasn't used for virtually 10 months and messing up the Perth Glory season with them having to play at a suburban ground with low crowds. So quite a bit of work has occurred in the last 3 years.
Agreed! Perth Bears seems the most fitting and I don’t think there’s many existing Western Reds fans that would care that deeply about the name anyways.
@@chrisherrmann3014 I don't think it will hurt the code in Perth, unless the commentators in Sydney keep talking about north sydney. no one will care in perth, so if the rugby league commentators go over the top then its an issue long term.
@BDub2024 May change long term as you said but at the moment all the media talks about is "North Sydney Oval" "Red and Black" "Old Bears logo". Barely ever mention the Perth side of things
My hatred for Manly will still continue even though the NRL is binging back my mighty Bears! So the middle finger 🖕still goes to Ken Arthurson and the Manly Club for ditching the Franchise and cutting the Bears lose.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they play the Warriors at Central Coast or North Sydney. It saves both teams a long travel. Hey Pivot! How do you think a Conference system will work once we get to 20 teams?
The bears aren’t back People wanted the north Sydney bears People wanted a fresh start for Perth How is this what anybody wanted There is no reason to not have both Total sell out for one game a year they should have got two one at Gosford and norths
PNG is the only country in the world that Rugby League is the dominant football code. With a population of 13 million and an exisiting PNG National Rugby League competition why not.
There is not enough talent for the teams they have now......... There are guys starting who would not have even been given a jersey in the 90's........
"Western" is fine for this new franchise. What isn't fine is arrogant Victorians thinking "Western" is appropriate for franchises in national comps that are located 5-30km from the Melbourne CBD!
exactly. In Western Australia and if you're trying to get people around the states, then Western is a great name. I wonder how Western translates in Sydney compared to Perth.
I'm a Western Bulldogs supporter and I too think they should go back to calling themselves Footscray. They have decent support in the suburbs west of Footscray and further out to Ballarat, and those supporters are unlikely to jumpship to another team if the club changes its name back. I don't see anything arrogant about it though. Where did that come from? What about NRL's West Tigers? Does that make NSW "arrogant" aswell? 🤨
@@eddielong8663 Footscray changed their name after West Coast had already been in the league for a decade, and subsequently been more successful than Footscray's entire VFL/AFL history in that time. Not to mention propping up clubs like Footscray with large sums of money. Wests maintained their name in a merged team, and the Reds were gone by that point anyway.
@mikespearwood3914 What? So you're suggesting that a Vic club committed a certain degree of plagiarism of a WA club or something? Give me a break 😮💨. They did that because at the time they were struggling for support and were thinking of ways to expand it. The fast-growing outer western suburbs seemed like the obvious choice. Regardless of whether it was a successful move or not, it's just a name, sonny. Nothing more. The term 'West' doesn't belong to the Eagles. I for one had up until now never given it a moment's thought that some touchy Eagles fan would feel offended by it 😂. Too bad if it does. Had the Bulldogs changed their identity to be an almost carbon copy of the Eagles (colours, mascot, song), then we can start talking. Otherwise you're just having a sook about nothing. Seriously, find yourself a hobby.
@@eddielong8663 It's called using common sense. Footscray had the whole history of the VFL up till 1987 to identify themselves as "Western" if they felt so strongly about it. A Melbourne club changing their name to "Western" when a Western Australian/ Perth based club called "West Coast" had already been in the league for more than a decade was incredibly arrogant, not to mention daft. Imagine trying to justify it to a foreigner!
Could've kept it simple and had Macarthur Tigers (or Magpies), Illawarra Dragons (or even Saints), Perth Bears, Redcliffe Dolphins... Instead we got Wests Tigers, St. George Illawarra Dragons, Western Bears, Dolphins. The NRL is so laughably bad at naming professional sports franchises.
Depends largely on how the Bears perform on the field. If the Bears show an overall decent performance over multiple seasons, the Force might be in trouble. Look how the poor Rebels turned out. With the Storm repeatedly doing so well, even the expats from strong Union countries lost interest in the Rebels. Plus, Perth isn't oversaturated with AFL clubs like Melbourne. Though there has been some discussion about bringing in a 3rd club.
@@jordanklingsporn763 That works well. But I think Western Bears works well for North Sydney fans because it ensures that Bears will be referred to most of the time and not the location (Perth). Its like West Coast EAgles. Most people just call them the Eagles.
I truly think 20 teams is the golden number for a national competition (take the UK Premier League for example), add any more and it starts to become oversaturated. Imo if the NRL were to add another QLD team, they would need to kick an existing Sydney team out of the comp, such as West Tigers (which would also get rid of the confusion between Western Bears and West Tigers) or relocate them.
grew up a norths fan northern eagles was a joke screw manly they sold us out great idea bring back a team to a place that got kicked out in the first place whats next Adelaide stick to your aerial ping pong
1908 club and they are killing it lol its not north sydney all the stats change my bears are back lol please there a new club in my eyes your killing a club
I don’t watch rugby league or know much about it but what about the people who go to every game in north sydney ? U just rob an entire fanbase of their team ? Reminds me on MK dons football team in england who have lost their entire fanbase bc of relocation. Seems stupid
@@henrypallister9223Yes but many of the fans would have started following a different club by now, such as the Sydney Roosters or Manly Sea Eagles, plus the existing fans would be in the older demographic bracket. Additionally, there will still be a North Sydney team who plays in the area, just in the reserve grade, or NSW cup as it’s called.
@@henrypallister9223 Yeah for sure, it was a shame they exited in the first place, they were actually meant to merge with Manly (the geographically adjacent club) but due to financial issues, it was a failure. Hopefully this new merger will be successful.
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Very good news. I wasn't watching NRL when Bears were in, but I'm really happy that Perth is getting a team.
This is great for those 12 original North Sydney bears fans that now live in Western Australia 😉
Wait, there's 11 more of us here??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣⬛🟥⬛🟥
@@mdjcsmith
They're hard to spot, they blend in with the humans. 😆
So happy my Bears are coming back - even if it’s in Perth. So call them Perth. Melbourne aren’t the Southern Storm. They’re Melbourne. Plus, we already have Wests Tigers. What’s that! And the Dolphins are just the Dolphins. You need geographical names.
Perth Bears is right, give the city its team. Redcliff Dolphins? Not sure I think.
I'm pretty sure the real reason is they didn't want to buy out the name of the neighbouring "Bears Perth" gay club
west coast bears so everyone in wa can follow them not just perth
Yet people still refer to the Storm as the Storms.
nah, as long as your arsehole is pointing to the ground the Bears from north Sydney or any watered down relocated version will NEVER play in the NRL again.
Nothing could speak more to Northern Sydney-siders than having their team located in Perth.
Bears already have 40k members, glad they are keeping the franchise, they will sell alot of merch
I've got a WEstern Reds jumper still.
@@BDub2024 dude that jersey was shit! They were called Reds and the jersey was mainly black and white, LOL.
@@thygfr Carlton are the blues and yet wear something that looks black but apparently is a very dark navy.
@@thygfr The Reds is a kangaroo. I didn't like the white at the front of the jumper myself. But didn't mind the black or red much. It was just a jumper of the times. With yellow and white pin stripes from memory. You should look at some of the soccer shirts that the Socceroos and England wore in the 90s. a bit lairy.
I am a North Sydney Bears fan and will not be buying Western Bears merch. That is a totally different team. Unless it says North Sydney, I am not buying. Why not start a team in the west and have a North Sydney / Central Coast bears. Best of both worlds.
I also don’t like the Western Bears name because the Tigers are already referred to as “Wests”. It’ll create some confusion. Perth Bears is clearer.
The Western Reds played alongside Western Suburbs in 1995 and 1996
@@TimmyTickle Doesn’t change the fact that it’s suboptimal
West Sydney Tigers. Problem sol-ved. Calling a WA team Western or West Coast is a no brainer. Perth can be good too. But WA is massive and being known as Western helps promote the code and team into regional areas. WA is 3 times the size of NSW.
@@WarwickGank Westate Western West Coast... Calling Western Knights and West Tigers is the problem. Calling West Aust team Western is pretty obvious.
Norths Bears
I feel like a Western "home game" in Sydney being at Allianz is defeating the whole purpose of the returning to their traditional home idea, there'd be at least one game there a year against the Chooks already and I'm sure the Sydney fans would prefer North Sydney Oval
Yep I agree 100%, but from a commercial point of view, they’ll make more money if it’s held at Allianz. Hopefully the administration can look past financial gains for once in favour of social and cultural gains 🙌
Makes literally no sense to play out of Allianz for this proposed franchise. What would even be the point???
The new metro stop northern entrance is very close to North Sydney Oval. Has to be there
@@mikespearwood3914 lol you're kidding right in 2027 when their Eastcoast home game is Bears vs Sea Eagles, they going to need more seats and corporate boxes than the Sh1t 10,000 capacity North Sydney can hold.
However in 2028 when they're home Sydney game is against the say the Titans or Warriors, then yeah 10K seats will be enough
@@michaelgoodwin1239 Then it's just a meaningless cash grab rather than something symbolic. No point even having the Bears back in that case.
18th Perth bears
19th PNG (1 home game per year in PNG, QLD based)
20 Adelaide (Jets/Rams/ect)
If I’m the NRL, this is what I’m doing, don’t mess with what’s going on in NZ, the country is behind one team
Happy that Western Australia has the complete set of sports in Australia. AFL, Super Rugby, A-League soccer, Big Bash Cricket, Domestic State Cricket and NBL Basketball. Now an NRL team. But Perth will also be a West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers town.
Don't forget West Coast Fever.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 Absolutely can't forget about our 2022 Super Netball Champions.
@@thequartersfooty yes brilliant
I disagree with you about it being appealing to the WA public. No one wants a Sydney team here. They want a Perth/WA team. The WA public has been sold out to keep some sydneysiders happy.
That's one way to look at it. But I'm stoked we're getting a team that's got history/support base and so is more likely to be a success, no matter what colours they're wearing
especially when they steal games from us
The last three teams to fill out the 20 NRL team comp should be: Perth, then NZ South Island and Adelaide depending on the success of those first two expansion teams and if it generates interest from the SA people/government. The NRL should really focus on fostering grass-root and developmental leagues in PNG before they enter the NRL.
Bring the @NRL Back to Adelaide.
At some stage in the future yes, but I think Perth is the right choice for now. Bigger city than Adelaide and they have the facilities. Perth does have a bigger rugby union/league following than Adelaide for now. NRL to succeed in Adelaide need to follow the Melbourne Storm model.
@@TheLIMREPORT Two sets of books?
@@SlaintheMhath Haha lol not that part.. thinking the on field part. Let's just say don't do what the ARU tried to do withe Rebels.
No we will reject it. No support here for it at all
Only NRL fan ive met here in SA was a demented ranga mormon so fuck that we dont want a team
My personal take, and nothing agant PNG and NZ, but if the NRL really do consider them selfs as a "national" leauge. then they need at least one team in Adelaide and Perth. After that, then go to PNG, NZ, and maybe also NT and Tasmania.
Perth Oval was home to the East Perth Football Club. I can’t wait. From the Western Reds to the Western Bears. It’s exciting times !
Like I get it but if I was a north Sydney bears fan I’d feel a little empty by all of this. Like yeah the club is in the NRL but it’s on the other side of a continent. Yeah the one of two home games in Sydney is ok but there will be a real disconnect between the old bears fans and the western bears. I think central coast was a much better option from a bears fan perspective because at least it’s not a stupid distance to watch your team live.
Just think mate, you can make a weekend of it and fly to Perth, let ya missus do some shopping and you probably get a root for a change . Yeah, go the bears 😁
Hang on! Most of the NRL teams are in Sydney! So why would the Bears being based out of Perth be the issue here???
No it’s not a bad thing I just think the distance is kinda crazy. I think a stand alone or return to the reds would’ve been better. I’m happy to see the bears coming back I just think the central coast option would’ve been better for the long term bears fans. I live in the uk so my view on geographic locality is going to skewed by the fact that many fans of my local team believe travelling 30 mins by car further up the road was a massive obstacle 😂
@@Jimbo-wx9pu No more teams in NSW lol. There are way too many atm and the NRL is in a great position atm to expand their footprint. Bears fans should be grateful and excited that WA wanted to include them.
Plus Sydney Bears fans will have a lot of games in Sydney to attend. Similar to South Melbourne Swans fans have with the Sydney Swans.
The Western Reds changed their name to the Perth Reds for the '97 SL season before failing to make the cut for the inaugural NRL season in '98. This might have been News Corp enforced, but still, they weren't the Western Reds the whole time. While at it, Wests Tigers should bite the bullet once and for all and fully relocate to southwestern Sydney and change their name to the Macarthur Tigers. Not saying this will get em out of the cellar, but it WILL give them a true identity finally. Naming a sports team after a geographical direction is just plain stupid.
On a side note, MacArthur Magpies sounds pretty good.
@@danielmoss895 This won’t happen - not after the announcement of the Leichhardt upgrade
Not as stupid as calling a team "Dolphins" and just leaving it at that.
Perth born Tigers fan here. Have discussed with a colleague who's a Bears fan.
We looked at the latitude of Perth relative to Sydney.
I look forward to jumping ship over to the North of Sydney Bears.
The problem is, nobody in the NRL has some vision. There are plenty of Sydney teams that have horrible crowds and results. They could buy them of and relocate to other cities like Adelaide, Central Coast, Sunshine Coast (Dolphins?) or even to New Zealand. And then they can add new teams like PNG or Fiji. They could even bring a team to Hawaii. I think Fiji is a must after Adelaide and Christchurch.
I'll be surprised if they demolish the western stand at Perth Oval (HBF) as there's a question of heritage listing on it. Might be better off going for larger tiers on the northern and southern stands- if there's room
The capacity is fine, so why bother??
Its the Fred Book Stand. I don't think it will be replaced any time soon. It is heritage, but sooner or later will probably go. Leederville still has it. Though Lathlain is getting theirs taken down. On Northern stands possibly, but that's where the famous Shed is for glory games. Its risky to rip that out. 20k is all you need. But corporate facilities and accessible for wheelchairs are two obvious improvements required first. The Stand possibly in the future. But that won't happen in five years surely.
The Bears were conned by the NRL & as was Newtown
The NRL wasn’t around when Newton left the comp?
What do you mean by 'conned'? Do you think they should have held out like the Bunnies?
@@joshuah5556 Newtown was a dying club, i lived 1 block from it, in Marrickville as Wests in Ashfield to move to outer west was going to fail, hence Westtigers now.
Norths merger with Manly / Northern Eagles was only going to benefit Manly 2 years in the merger failed 😢 by taking Norths out of the equation.
Sorry it was the ARL then
@markmacmurray9140 yeah I understand. But how did arl/nrl con them? Surely they knew there weren't any good options. What would you have done different? Genuinely curious
@@joshuah5556 NRL said regional teams would be safe - so Bears put money into Central Coast Stadium. NRL didn't keep their word.
Perth Bears would’ve been a better name in my opinion. And besides, the Reds were called the Perth Reds in their very last season in 1997.
Also, I don’t believe the Bears should retain their history in terms of premierships won and win/lost ratio. I feel this is more of a merger like St George Illawarra & Wests Tigers, and hence they should start fresh like those clubs did.
Souths and Manly got to retain their history when they both came back because it was the exact same club with the same board.
If it helps the team keep fans then let them keep the flags.
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Can we all keep in mind that this is not the return of North Sydney to the NRL. It is the creation of a new team in Perth. North Sydney fans still want a team in North Sydney / Central Coast. North Sydney are a foundation club and should have a team representing them in their homeland. Unfortunately, North Sydney do not have the same level of celebrity support to protest like South Sydney did.
As a North Sydney Fan, I am not in support of a move to Perth at all. I grew up in North Sydney and this is a very disappointing result for us.
Keep in mind, Perth had a team and it failed. This is not the result we need or want.
"Perth had a team and failed". What and Norths didn't?
Look at the stadiums easts, parra, titans, storm, cows, ect got and then look at what they are building at Penrith. $309 million for an extra 2,500 seats, really? What a debacle.
If all you see is 2500 more seats, then you would think it's a debacle.
There's a lot more to stadiums than mere capacity, else they'd just position some temporary stands at the northern end and the gap between the eastern and southern grandstands.
Yeah but Penrith's NSW legislature seat is marginal. That's why successive state governments have committed to stadium spending there.
Explains why, say, Leichhardt got more federal funding (and LGAs spend was the same as state gov's) - it's a green seat in nsw state legislature.
It seems like with Adelaide, New Zealand, Ipswich and PNG they're going to end up having to revise that 20 to 22.
The rectangle stadium was Perth Oval, home of East Perth Royals. Still unhappy that East Perth had to relocate to Leederville. Its EAST PERTH!!! not WEST PERTH. The ground is even in East Perth.
They should have redeveloped Leederville Oval into rectangular back when West Perth moved to Joondalup and Leederville went empty
@@mdjcsmith Even after Glory had played 10 years at Perth oval there was a push to turn Leederville oval over to Soccer/rugby. But all the locals protested about night matches and crowds and it did't happen. Blame the locals. But would have been great with the entertainmnt precinct.
@@BDub2024 I remember the Oxford St cafe strip business owners being pretty angry they missed out
@@mdjcsmith Unfortunately, the local held sway. Basil Z and many were keen on it. Leederville with short distances behind goals operates far better as a soccer rugby ground. But the locals ruled and it stayed at Leederville... don't worry I wanted footy back at Perth oval.
Should have been called the Reds
I had an idea that might work, double header at Optus Stadium with the Bears hosting a team + 2 more teams coming over. What do you think?
4:43 It was East Perth's home ground!
Absolutely Mike. Being an EP fan I was pretty annoyed with that comment on the video, plus the fact that Leederville didn't become the soccer oval
I really want the port moresby team added. Love png from
If you're going to add a team in Perth then you have to add one up in Darwin too. Launceston should be given a crack in the Q-Cup and the Storm should be broken into two teams, the Melbourne Rebels (take over the Union francise) and the Victorian Storm, that way you've got all the markets covered. If you think we're going to run out of talent just go looking in the highlands of PNG, as the famous Charles Bronson once said "there's gold in them hills!". Well PVL I think you've got this one right but don't rest on your laurels, keep the foot on the gas and keep growing this competition until we've got a nice square 48 teams who can play one giant knockout tournament per year. Do away with regular season games and just keep the finals, it's way more exciting. Also why do we have to wait around for 80 mins, let the boys jump straight to golden point and see what happens. Anyway let's go Western Bears looking forward to cheering you guys on in 2027 and hopefully we can also ban those gambling ads before my step-son forces me to take another mortgage out on the house.
Staggering the entrant of new clubs i think is trying to learn from the mistakes of the past. 4 at once back in 1995 in hindsight was too much too soon.
Fantastic News! NRL keeps getting better and better. Super Rugby not so much lol
Perth had a side, they joined up with Adelaide on their way to Melbourne
It’s a bad idea, West Aussies are very parochial, they want their own team with its own identity. I’d have stuck with the Reds.
Team 19 and 20 should be Adelaide, and Christchurch or Ipswich
How about Broome... The Broome brown snakes
Why not bring back the Newtown Blue Bags?
@@garrywallah4966 Not Broome, way too small. Christchurch or Auckland is a far better choice.
@@Mick_4591Adelaide Jets has a good ring to it 👌
didnt this get canned? im confused
Now hopefully Newtown Jets come back one day into the comp or relocate to Adelaide
I wonder what Gibbo would say.
6:45 The word "parochial" doesn't mean what you think it means fella.
@@mikespearwood3914 I picked up on that too 😅
Perth is back!
What about Tasmania in the nrl
Is there any Rugby League in Tasmania??
Not happening for at least another 50 years. It would be a huge financial loss and struggle to stay afloat. Need to focus on NZ South Island or Adelaide first.
@@limcako41Very little compared to Aussie Rules.
@@WarwickGank I think it's just Aussie Rules and cricket.Their basketball side is always struggling.Also the cold weather is a problem ❄
@limcako41 there is a small domestic competition down there but I think it's only about 4 teams
Wonder if they will have a red kangaroo on their sleeve like wests do or will the reds be brushed like the poor steelers
I think its unlikely that the Western stand will be rebuilt anytime soon. Its unnecessary really to replace the stand for the time being. They could put a stand north behind the goals, but then again that's the Shed which is the home of the passionate Glory supporters. Equivalent of Bay 13 at MCG. Corporate facilities needs to be developed a lot more though which is critical. Also there is a need to accommodate people in wheel chairs, because accessibility isn't the best.
Sadly the best sideline stand is the new stand on the eastern side, and it's the newest one, unless you can squeeze a press box up the top it's not really an option
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 Good for soccer, except you bake in the sun there in the middle of summer. I think they'll work on corporate facilities first and accessibility. Then over time consider replacing stands. There has been work undertaken in recent times for the Women's world cup. Remember it wasn't used for virtually 10 months and messing up the Perth Glory season with them having to play at a suburban ground with low crowds. So quite a bit of work has occurred in the last 3 years.
I bet the NRL does not demand a Roofed Stadium like the AFL has in Tasmania.
Obviously, Perths climate is nothing like Tasmania
I don’t like the idea of the name of Western Bears when there’s already Western Force.
Agreed! Perth Bears seems the most fitting and I don’t think there’s many existing Western Reds fans that would care that deeply about the name anyways.
What about Western Bulldogs & Western United??
@@mikespearwood3914 different sports
@@strikerbowls791 And Western Force are??
Western Force will probably follow the way of the Rebels soon.
Should of called them the Perth Pirates
The West Coast Eagles own that trademark as it was under consideration back in the day if West Coast had gone with Perth (there was / is a Perth FC)
I still think they should be going all in on the relocation. Not playing home games in Sydney
One is ok. Practice matches is important in Sydney. But otherwise minimise any talk on N Sydney expecially in the perth market.
The leagues club and all the members are in Sydney
Would be better if it had nothing at all to do with the bears
@@chrisherrmann3014 I don't think it will hurt the code in Perth, unless the commentators in Sydney keep talking about north sydney. no one will care in perth, so if the rugby league commentators go over the top then its an issue long term.
@BDub2024 May change long term as you said but at the moment all the media talks about is "North Sydney Oval" "Red and Black" "Old Bears logo". Barely ever mention the Perth side of things
My hatred for Manly will still continue even though the NRL is binging back my mighty Bears! So the middle finger 🖕still goes to Ken Arthurson and the Manly Club for ditching the Franchise and cutting the Bears lose.
Now bring back Western Suburbs Magpies!!!
The one Warriors. I hate it but I have to support them 😂
It wouldn’t surprise me if they play the Warriors at Central Coast or North Sydney. It saves both teams a long travel.
Hey Pivot! How do you think a Conference system will work once we get to 20 teams?
Warriors have a lot of support in WA with all the Kiwis. Perth would hate to miss it
@@jordanklingsporn763 there are kiwis everywhere
The bears aren’t back
People wanted the north Sydney bears
People wanted a fresh start for Perth
How is this what anybody wanted
There is no reason to not have both
Total sell out for one game a year they should have got two one at Gosford and norths
PNG is the only country in the world that Rugby League is the dominant football code. With a population of 13 million and an exisiting PNG National Rugby League competition why not.
Bring back the western magpies
There is not enough talent for the teams they have now......... There are guys starting who would not have even been given a jersey in the 90's........
Magpie western magpies
Does the NRL have enough money to subsidise these loss makers year after year?
"Western" is fine for this new franchise. What isn't fine is arrogant Victorians thinking "Western" is appropriate for franchises in national comps that are located 5-30km from the Melbourne CBD!
exactly. In Western Australia and if you're trying to get people around the states, then Western is a great name. I wonder how Western translates in Sydney compared to Perth.
I'm a Western Bulldogs supporter and I too think they should go back to calling themselves Footscray. They have decent support in the suburbs west of Footscray and further out to Ballarat, and those supporters are unlikely to jumpship to another team if the club changes its name back.
I don't see anything arrogant about it though. Where did that come from? What about NRL's West Tigers? Does that make NSW "arrogant" aswell? 🤨
@@eddielong8663 Footscray changed their name after West Coast had already been in the league for a decade, and subsequently been more successful than Footscray's entire VFL/AFL history in that time. Not to mention propping up clubs like Footscray with large sums of money.
Wests maintained their name in a merged team, and the Reds were gone by that point anyway.
@mikespearwood3914
What? So you're suggesting that a Vic club committed a certain degree of plagiarism of a WA club or something? Give me a break 😮💨. They did that because at the time they were struggling for support and were thinking of ways to expand it. The fast-growing outer western suburbs seemed like the obvious choice. Regardless of whether it was a successful move or not, it's just a name, sonny. Nothing more. The term 'West' doesn't belong to the Eagles. I for one had up until now never given it a moment's thought that some touchy Eagles fan would feel offended by it 😂. Too bad if it does. Had the Bulldogs changed their identity to be an almost carbon copy of the Eagles (colours, mascot, song), then we can start talking. Otherwise you're just having a sook about nothing. Seriously, find yourself a hobby.
@@eddielong8663 It's called using common sense. Footscray had the whole history of the VFL up till 1987 to identify themselves as "Western" if they felt so strongly about it.
A Melbourne club changing their name to "Western" when a Western Australian/ Perth based club called "West Coast" had already been in the league for more than a decade was incredibly arrogant, not to mention daft. Imagine trying to justify it to a foreigner!
N.Z really needed another Team in the NRL......The Warriors are not every Kiwis Team. 😂
Bad idea relocating a team elsewhere. Should have kept it in the north of Sydney under the name Northern Bears
There back what you talking about it's a new club it's not north sydney
Why not call them the western Reds again
Can someone explain to me how Perth was lumbered with the Bears name?
New games. Is. Going. Are. Be. Comes. North SYDNEY. BEARS. Some. Marking. Ringleader western. Times
Could've kept it simple and had Macarthur Tigers (or Magpies), Illawarra Dragons (or even Saints), Perth Bears, Redcliffe Dolphins... Instead we got Wests Tigers, St. George Illawarra Dragons, Western Bears, Dolphins. The NRL is so laughably bad at naming professional sports franchises.
Yeahhhh, but its not actuality a Directional name. Its Western for Western Australia the state. Its a team representing the whole State.. .
North Sydney is a long way away from Perth.
Wont the sydney bears fans hate this team?
central coast bears
Is this the end of the Western Force?
Too many saffas, kiwis, poms, Irish etc. in Perth for the Force to fold.
Depends largely on how the Bears perform on the field. If the Bears show an overall decent performance over multiple seasons, the Force might be in trouble. Look how the poor Rebels turned out. With the Storm repeatedly doing so well, even the expats from strong Union countries lost interest in the Rebels. Plus, Perth isn't oversaturated with AFL clubs like Melbourne. Though there has been some discussion about bringing in a 3rd club.
Different code, the Western Force are Super Rugby.
Different code
@@eddielong8663 Fair points, either way it surely isn't a good thing for union.
Perth or West Coast would've made a lot more sense for a name. Commentators will only ever call the team the Bears, never the WA location
I used to like the Westate Wildcats. But they became Perth Wildcats in basketball.
Calling them West Coast would be commercial suicide. Perth s owned by West Coast Eagles.
@@Samson-h6l We also have the West Coast Fever
@@jordanklingsporn763 That works well. But I think Western Bears works well for North Sydney fans because it ensures that Bears will be referred to most of the time and not the location (Perth). Its like West Coast EAgles. Most people just call them the Eagles.
Perth won’t have a NRL team
NRL would make more money if they had a new team in Melbourne Sydney or Somewhere in Qld
so not a new Perth team? just don’t blow it by filling it with journey men or trying to sneakily filling it with kiwis making it a nz team.
Why is it called the western bears?
Western Australia 🇦🇺
Because they're going to be located in New Zealand. Why do you think godwin??!!!
What coast is Perth on?
It's called western bears to pay tribute to both the western reds and the NS bears.
Because the NRL is trying to keep some Sydneysiders happy while selling out the WA public
Waste of time again.
AFL is too strong and Perth is too far away .
Norths should be at home , in North Sydney.
Perth too far away from what? Its only 5 hours by plane.
Adelaide rams
South Island Kia
East Brisbane hawks
Central qld bulls
I truly think 20 teams is the golden number for a national competition (take the UK Premier League for example), add any more and it starts to become oversaturated. Imo if the NRL were to add another QLD team, they would need to kick an existing Sydney team out of the comp, such as West Tigers (which would also get rid of the confusion between Western Bears and West Tigers) or relocate them.
grew up a norths fan northern eagles was a joke screw manly they sold us out great idea bring back a team to a place that got kicked out in the first place whats next Adelaide stick to your aerial ping pong
There ain't no bears in Aus.
Just say Perth.
You know what's worse than direction based names? How about a name like "Arsenal FC" which isn't even a place name at all.
It’s named after the suburb in north London where they used to play
@@gatesy77no it’s not, it’s name that because the club was made from people who worked at the Arsenal
Sorry that's absolute nonsense. Arsenal is an iconic name along with Aston Villa.
Bring back Royal Arsenal FC.
@@mikespearwood3914 Say what you like but "Arsenal" is a TERRIBLE name, lol! 😂
1908 club and they are killing it lol its not north sydney all the stats change my bears are back lol please there a new club in my eyes your killing a club
Western Bears really?
Dou like french onion di0
French onion dip
bears rob perth of a real team,
I don’t watch rugby league or know much about it but what about the people who go to every game in north sydney ? U just rob an entire fanbase of their team ? Reminds me on MK dons football team in england who have lost their entire fanbase bc of relocation. Seems stupid
The club hasn’t been in the NRL for 40 years
@@Firedogies Regardless from the pictures it looks like they have a fan base ?
@@henrypallister9223Yes but many of the fans would have started following a different club by now, such as the Sydney Roosters or Manly Sea Eagles, plus the existing fans would be in the older demographic bracket. Additionally, there will still be a North Sydney team who plays in the area, just in the reserve grade, or NSW cup as it’s called.
@@WarwickGank Got it, just seems odd to switch clubs to support
@@henrypallister9223 Yeah for sure, it was a shame they exited in the first place, they were actually meant to merge with Manly (the geographically adjacent club) but due to financial issues, it was a failure. Hopefully this new merger will be successful.
thx for deleting my comment! Donkey
Lol WA will always be an AFL state. We don't care about rugby over here. Go the Eagles!
Same is NSW and QLD with Rugby League but that doesn't mean AFL cant have success there. Your logic is flawed.
Rugby doesn't belong here.