Deconstruction: The Lindsay Shepherd Affair
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2017
- In November 2017, Wilfred Laurier University teaching assistant Lindsay Shepherd was called to a disciplinary meeting by two professors (Nathan Rambukkana and Herbert Pimlott) and one administrator (Adria Joel) to discuss her screening of a video clip from TVO's The Agenda with Steve Paikin during a class she was conducting. Shepherd taped the proceedings (bit.ly/2mMPvok) and released them, causing a national and international firestorm of outrage over the manner in which she was treated.
The video clip featured me discussing the provisions of Canada's compelled speech law, Bill C16, with Professor Nicholas Matte of the Mark S Bonham Centre for Sexual Diversity Studies at the University of Toronto.
During the proceedings, Shepherd was accused of breaking the law, both federal (Bill C16) and provincial, violating Wilfred Laurier's standards of conduct, and of being actively transphobic. Rambukkana compared me directly to Hitler (and Milo Yiannopoulos, to be fair), failing to recognize that what I predicted would happen in the aftermath of Bill C16 (see bit.ly/2AZqj4B) was exactly what was undertaken by the tripartite disciplinary panel he headed.
Twenty of Rambukkana's colleagues signed a letter of support for his actions (bit.ly/2DiedjN), despite the almost universal condemnation. In addition, great efforts were made by the neo-Marxist/postmodernist/critical theory ideologues to cast Shepherd as the perpetrator, as noted in Quillette (bit.ly/2l3Np0h), and the Wilfred Laurier Faculty Association president wrote this missive (bit.ly/2C9Ulm1) decrying "the violent speech and actions that have, unfortunately, become a daily occurrence on our campuses" despite there being no evidence whatsoever for such violence.
On December 18, Dr. Deborah MacLatchy, President and Vice-Chancellor of Wilfrid Laurier University, released a statement on the independent fact-finder's report on the Lindsay Shepherd affair, exonerating her completely, stating that the disciplinary meeting should have never occurred and indicating even that the claim of student complaint was essentially fabricated (although Dr. MacLatchy has released a statement of clarification about that: bit.ly/2C8xWWp).
Dr. David Haskell, Associate Professor, Digital Media and Journalism / Religion and Culture and Dr. William McNally, Associate Professor of Finance at the School of Business and Economics (both of Wilfred Laurier) joined me for this discussion (December 19), where we "deconstructed" Dr. MacLatchy's response. They are not alone at WLU, by the way, in their opposition to the ideological zealotry that has possessed their campus, and most others. Hopefully, in 2018, more professors will come to their senses and join them.
Why should you care? Because this is, in truth, the state of the modern university -- and what happens there will happen everywhere five years later.
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Support these brave professors. We need more of them. David Haskell and William McNally - I salute you!
Yes ... we need more heads to "stand on" or else they can simply "chop off" [= discredit] the one of the "leader" and win. GamerGate had no leader and was pretty much untouchable because of this, but the fight against social justice in the western world needs many more than just Peterson, Saad and a handful of others. Every university needs their heroes to fight this.
Spread the word! Share the videos! The Voice in the Wilderness must be heard and to do this, we must spread it, too.
hear hear ---- he entertained this idea on one of the Joe Rogan podcasts
Isn't it fucking insane that guys saying very normal stuff, is considered brave?
"..Support these brave professors.."
Let's not get carried away. University professors have been living off tax payer money (money handed to them after being taken from the public by force) for decades. This model is by definition a form of extortion (a violent monopoly on a service), and it tends to breed a culture of complacency and moral hypocrisy. The same is true throughout all state education.
In a free market this rot would never have been allowed to set in, because employing staff with mad ideologies like this would not only be a massive unnecessary cost, but these ideologues would all be a massive liability to the university or school.
But under the current _coercive monopoly_ model it is the people who call this stuff out who are considered the liabilities.... people like Shepherd and Peterson.
Sure, these profs are courageous to speak out now things have gotten so bad, but decades (centuries) of complacency and feeding off the teat of the state is precisely what got them into this position to begin with.
Even the way they dissect the letter is rather cowardly. Let's not beat about the bush...... the letter should have read something like....
"Recently our staff, targeted, harassed and bullied a student TA, and spread vicious falsehoods and false accusations to both her and JBP. We are grateful to LS for having the intelligence and fortitude to record the conversation and bring it to our attention. Here is a list of concrete steps we are going to take as a result of this incident..... (list of SPECIFIC changes/ actions which can be measured and verified to have taken place, or not)"
End of. No fluff. No cushioning. No "We are committed to X but also the opposite of X also, because patriarchy"
Peterson and his two guests are so used to PC speak infecting universities they have forgotten what straight talking actually sounds like. IN fact everyone in the world seems to have forgotten.
We are all being conditioned to accept PC-speak / pseudo science/ political-speak as proper authentic language. It is not. It is NLP style conversational hypnosis. Mind control, in essence.
Good to see more professors who aren't afraid to speak up.
so weird to read this in 2017....
The Virtuous Life and they really need our support and foresight. They are in the belly of the beast and the weak here are easily consumed.
wake up...
they're making TV shows about it (microphones, lightings, editing....)
it couldn't go better for them.
But how much wait will their speech carry with the overbloated admins of Universities (financed by easy government approved student loans) power to sanction or allocate resources to them?
The Emperor has no clothes.
"The Diversity and Equity Office."
George Orwell
3/6/1984.
Ministry of Gender
Technocracy experts manufacturing opinions at their worst. When we have autistics forming defense awareness groups to create dialogue about the best treatment without being bossed by experts, and yet we have these kinds of regressions to totalitarian PC think. This is unacceptable.
Why are there chains on the walls? 🤔
@@anungikwe7258 exactly as it would be.
The scariest of all my friend!
I had this very conversation with my 3, 20 something children at supper this last week. They focused and repeated the post-modernist diatribe about trans rights, until I said that it had nothing at all to do with this topic (it being only the topic of the month) and everything to do with the ideology behind it. Then the conversation shifted to, 'what is Marxism', 'what does Marxism believe', 'what is their goal here', and we could actually get to the root of the problem and why I felt compelled to have this conversation with them. Until that point, they merely regurgitated all the things that they had been force fed to believe was a natural progression toward a more just society. They surmised that this change in our society was akin to the civil rights era of the 1960's and 1970's. I told them it was far more insidious, as most of us would reject the underlying ideology, if we were made aware of it, and this is why I braved the onslaught to make them aware that it was indeed happening. I stayed at home to raise 3 very bright, inquisitive, and balanced kids, who can communicate very well and think critically, and still the influence of the public school system has not been a good one. It's something I must continually work to overcome. It's ironic to me that the one child who didn't go to university, was the one to follow Jordan Peterson because of his videos online. Thank you, Jordan, for sticking your neck out and standing up for what you know is right, in this time of madness. It's good to hear a voice of reason amongst the nonsense that makes up such a large part of our societal discourse today.
The future looks dire.
flightless butterfly interesting and inspiring.
Omg. I had the same experience with my own children. My 24 yr old university graduate daughter spews that same crap while my non academic 17 year old son sees it as complete nonsense.
Young adults minds have been poisoned with the Marxist doctrines, with most of them not even knowing the root behind their own thoughts, and beliefs. I hope your talk opened their minds and eyes to how they've been, for lack of a more kind term, brainwashed. They sound like they're more open to the truth than most due to their upbringing, but people don't like to have their core briefs challenged. Fingers crossed, because if kids like yours can't accept it then we're doomed. Keep leading them in the right direction ✌️😎
I made sure my kids knew to question everyone before they went to university and that people who will not debate are the ones with no clothes. For example, take something awful like a holocaust denier, you can counter such with historical records, etc. These people don't want to debate. My children and I don't care if you want a sex change or what gender (based on customs of the society in which we live) you want to be but a lot of their positions in the trans movement could be argued with critical thinking are 1) anti women, 2) anti teenage women especially, 3) anti-gay, etc. If you tried to raise these issues at these universities, I imagine their heads would explode and since the left historically represents these groups I mentioned, it has to be purely about power and the kids should question this university establishment.
You’re getting significantly better at running interviews Jordan. I can see you actively curtailing your proclivity to make longwinded (very intelligent) statements, that in the past have derailed the central thrust of the conversation. Even the great among us have room to improve, apparently.
It is making for a very good interview platform. Thank you for making this for us.
You're not getting significantly better at not kissing his ass, on the other hand.
Etienne-Emile Antikatastaseis That wasn't very Christmassy
We obviously love listening to JP speak or we wouldn't be subbed, but at the same time he really does need to work at not dominating a conversation when he's the interviewer. Really hurts the fluidity of the dialogue. Even makes me feel a bit awkward as a viewer somehow. Almost like I feel for the interviewees who can't get a word in edgewise.
Etienne-Emile Antikatastaseis
Kissing Jordans ass should never be a shameful experience! :)
It was not in the spirit of a dead Jewish guy on a stick, but it was funny.
Postmodernism chickens coming home to roost. Twenty years I worked in the helping field. Degrees in Sociology and Psychology, Summa Cum Laude. Considered myself enlightened, a self-professed bleeding heart liberal, until one day my boss asked what was wrong with me and how I had gotten so conservative. I was taken aback and had to think about what we had been discussing. She had asked to what did I credit the success of my programs (by now I was Director of several programs designed to help single moms become self-sufficient). My answer? I had said that my staff and I created an environment of success by expecting success from our clients and refusing to treat them like victims who needed our help. For THIS, what I considered respect and deep human regard, I was called (and trust me it was more of an accusation) of being "conservative." That was the first time I had cared to look at the difference. Suddenly I was noticing the language being used at planning meetings, community forums, etc...it was all victim based. And because I rejected this classification and taught my clients how to cope with reality rather than getting caught up in being traumatized by how things are, suddenly I was on the "wrong side" of the thought-pool. I believe we should strive to always make things better in the world, but teaching people how to cope with it in the meantime has inherently more value than keeping them mired in anger, resentment, and apathy over what is wrong with the world and how they cannot succeed because of it. The new Liberal mindset is invested in keeping new ideas out at all costs. Sad really.
Midwestern Girl. Good Job. It's people like you that will save the world from the tyranny of the University Ideologies. Peterson said in another video, 'I'd recommend sending your sons to trade schools rather than University'- something like that. I couldn't agree more with the pragmatism that statement espouses and also what you are doing, it's the only way forward.
You are correct, but leftists and alt left are what you speak of. Liberalism isn't the problem. It's the radicals
Wow. This leaves me speechless. Wow. This is entirely so messed up. You with such a great and realistic program----and then there is all this mess going on. Wow.
I salute your bravery in the face of the very real threat of retaliation.
During the early nineties I found I had to take a position in opposition to the countless emerging 12 step programs for drugs and alcohol.
I adopted the dual diagnosis paradigm.
These programs created a permanent view of the self as powerless and beyond help thru treatment.
I find the warrior survivor view far superior to a victim mentality.
The people who need to hear these discussions the most will never hear them.
Maybe you should listen to those close to you who disagree with you, and find out whether they've seriously considered this.
Just because someone disagrees with yo doesn't always mean they're an adherent of "Critical Theory" or any doublespeak. They may just be worth talking to.
And that's part of the definition of what they are to begin with.
A sad truth, but a truth none the less
These three people are high quality, sensitive, intelligent, compassionate, entities. They are a credit and a valuable gift to the Human race. :-) :-)
Three men, aren´t they? Why did you avoid this word?
Which is precisely why the left will NEVER allow them to teach.
I’d organized a weekly philosophy group for seven years. We were never political, reading Plato and the classics. Enter: the radical post modernist mean kids. I’ve hardly seen such cruelty in my life - the philosophy group was torn apart. I see exactly what Jordan is talking about
Philosophy to the left is like ripping the clothes off a girl in public.
Brian Androw my current level of understanding is that postmodernist ideas are most destructive for conservative ideas of value and classic (especially Ancient Greek) Philosophy laden with proclamations of value and the good (or moral) life.
That in and of itself is already something to be concerned about I find, but there indeed seems to be a strange alliance between this denial/deconstruction of grand narratives with the use of critical theory, which is particularly useful as a tool with which to hack at liberal societies. It’s here where things really get out of kilter in my view.
Would you agree with this (admittedly overly condensed) representation?
Can you tell us a little bit more about how it happened?
Would you be willing to make a video about this?
Brian A I attended philosophy night classes 22yrs ago have to say was intellectually engaging and most civil however average age was 50.Reflecting on your experience I'm disappointed though not surprised if what I read in utube comments section is any indication. I wish I didnt feel the need to look however it helps me look at my own understanding and many times I've gained a new perspective.Maybe this digital medium is too much too soon, a sea of opinions wash aside experience and civility.
I am truly jealous of Lindsay Shepherd. I was bullied by self-ascribed justice warriors and caved, whereas this courageous woman rose to the occasion in the greatest fashion.
don't be jealous. be inspired to act for truth next time.
I'm sure you're not alone. I suspect a lot of people have face similar situations and caved. Learn from it and don't be too hard on yourself.
Me too, man, me too.
Remember, she was mentally prepared for it. That's the key. You have to make sure you have a battle plan with contingency plans ready. I'm sure you will next time.
Speak up now about whats going on, do it in your own sphere of influence.
Didn't know you guys had young Obi-Wan Kenobi on your side, that makes me feel better about our chances in this fight
May the Force be with you
They have the moral high ground
Adam Frisk Comment of the Year material
Even moreso considering they have Simon Gruber by their side
Kermit meets Superman (Reeve) and a young Obi-Wan
underrated post.. lmaoo
"The university is taking concrete steps to take changes to ensure this doesn't happen again." - Metal detectors and frisk searches are implemented as we speak to ensure no more recordings will be made public.
LMAO
That moment when you're not even a full minute into the video, and it's such quality that you have to stop and switch over to your TV to watch it
Critical Theory has replaced Critical Thinking.
uPsIdEdOwN More aptly, Critical Theory devolved into post-modernism - devaluing critical thinking. Critical Theory is a much wider & substantive framework for evaluating institutions & teaching critical thinking than was given credit in this video... Not to mention it hasn't had much of a representation in English (as it was developed in German decades before translational efforts).
Diversity of [insert FIXED outside characteristic or sexual orientation/state] has replaced diversity of thought ...
@Progress Holistic Tell me about it ... here in Germany we do not have anything like "freedom of speech" anchored in the mindset of the general public and all the media networks are providing is "pro-government coverage". I am currently writing a letter to a newspaper which had an article from a media studies professor about "how to talk to the right-wing people" ... after we got a small part of them in our parliament after this years election and he only looks at "discussion strategies on how to win that fight" but never at "what did we (lefties) do wrong to create this rise of right-wing?" Self-criticism? Nah ... Oh and he looks at the "rise of the right" as "the problem" when it is actually rather the effect of the cause.
So far I am on page seven of that letter ... and I hope I manage to finish it.
uPsIdEdOwN anyone can be an oppressor and the oppressed at any time. So sad. Wonder how Swedish women feel when walking down the streets now of their own country. The leaders in Sweden are the oppressors and the women the oppressed by ISLAM and their own GOVT
Safe.....unbelievable. We are talking about the leftist Marxism ideology is the oppressor of freedom of speech AND THOUGHT
B4, I would not b able to listen to something this long. Seeing how civil, rational, logical, honest and practical these individuals r makes me hunger for more talks with level headed thinking. Really enjoy these talks.
Faculty does this all the time, in interrogation rooms on campus, They just got *caught* this time..
The Lindsay Shepherd scandal bothered me to read of.
Happened to me. I had the gall to say that biological sex has an effect on brain structure in my psychology course. I was dragged before the dean of the college and threatened with expulsion.
@@gavinriley1636 what happened from there? Do you still teach?
Your facts offend my feelings! Ban facts, and give me a safe space!!
Bullshit on this level happens in all schools at all ages as far as I can tell.
I am following along with great interest about this and appreciate Peterson's analysis in this and other videos. VERY high quality Jordan, you are killing it with all your youtube content and are really the FUTURE of education!
true: But Jordan's thinking is not a closure: Some ideas he presents need further contextualising. They are not fully developed for education (in schools) as this is not his agenda. But any research in education that ignores his thinking belongs to middle ages
Exactly. That is why he really is the future of education: the contextualizing is happening with a live and interactive audience of people who agree and disagree with his ideas. It is easy to get stale in the "safe" and insulated environment of the university and it's really where ideas go to die nowadays. The other professor said he has no problem with people taping his lectures cause he's not saying anything he wouldn't say in public. Right on about that.
Ania Lian do u have any ideas for further contextualizing?
Genuine question- what do you mean by 'contextualising ' ?
$50k a month should equal better content than recorded lectures lol
People can't comprehend the magnitude of what is happening
sno0p3r yeah because they think it's just a bunch of college kids overeating, but the question they should ask is what happens in the next 5 to 10 years when those same kids are in positions of power? in every level of society, when you ask that question you understand it's going to be up to all of us to fight this at whatever level we can, because if we don't check this behavior and way of thinking it's going to lead to chaos.
Unfortunately, I think you're right, both of you.
yeah i cant really talk about this with anyone. even my more conservative friend. people just glaze over and think you are crazy.
sno0p3r
just try to grasp this concept, just transpose the Lindsay event into family court.
now try to grasp what is going on.
thank you, for thinking
sno0p3r Seems like war is coming...the Left has doubled down and siezed power. Their purpose for mass migration in the EU is simple. Migrants vote Left, Citizens vote right.
Their primary goal with all of this is taking control, and if the Right waits until it is too late...well, Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, Argentina and on and on...
Those professors are amazing, I wish I could attend their classes.
This is the high level I hold all professors at.
Same. Motherfucking standards, ya know? They matter.
@@AngelRaivan8579-xh4fr Oxbridge are the only universities that don't chip their professors, because they don't need it.
I studied philosophy in high school, but it were history of philosopy.
This is philosophy in action.
Magnificent and amazing!
You missed a third group of faculty who are not signing the petition: The people who agree but are terrified of the immediate repercussions to a point where they find a way to ignore the long term repercussions they're part of.
JimmyDThing having a job and paying the bills
cowards are not a group to put much thought into. what difference does it make if someone is on your side if they are too scared to admit it. The cowards who agree but won't speak out should either be outed through recordings they didn't know about or just ignored and left alone too wallow in their own shame.
Secant Ogive where is your citation? You don’t want to break the law as a plagiarist
JimmyDThing and that is oppression
I'm perty sure a big part of the faculty's training is going to be make sure your not being recorded so they don't get caught again
totally, id recommend everyone in university's get those rerecording devices shaped like pens or lighters and always be recording. even if they make it against policy to do so just record everything.
ChristofferEricsater ya you got it rough man from what i hear sweden got it the worst a real liberal hell hole its either you guys or England it's really hard to tell witch one of you guys got hit worst by the far left cultist at this point good luck man and fight the good fight
The University may try and make it a breach of policy but I would suggest as long as it doesn't break the Law any half-way competent lawyer would get it shut down VERY quickly!!!
My guess is they'll say
1) Anytime a meeting like that is held the TAs have to be offered a representative/advocate for their interests, and
2) the TAs have to notify the profs if they intend to record the meeting.
Explain that you will be recording. If they balk, end meeting until your lawyer can be present. Better yet, bring a lawyer & record.
On triggering students: excessive stress from homework and studying can trigger students, but we don’t see faculty bending over backyards to appease that, now do we?
Not until that becomes PC. Then they will stop giving students work at all, because they're afraid.
You say this as if grievance studies was a rigorous academic discipline, that actually required effort to develop.
professors having power over students is unacceptable. students should grade themselves
@@GG-bi8tb I really hope that's sarcasm
I see what you're saying but other people might think you're trying to make homework go away. The universities might even consider it if they read this lol.
The logic of the 'new thought' doublespeak is exemplified thus: "Intolerance will not be tolerated".
Des Northcott Exceptionalities for the intolerance of free speech, logic and reality.
As if tolerance is somekind of highest possible virtue? Like a narcissist spouse abusing his/her partner, and saying "you are not tolerant!! you are not good enough!! not nice enough!!" You should NOT have to tolerate constant unjust pain and abuse and ridicule.
You make the mistake of thinking this war is new, this is a centuries old attack (mostly from foreign anarchists operating under assumed anglo / germanic names) and later culminated in the invention of terrorism with the dynamiting of train stations and fairs around Europe by Jewish anarchists and later communist minions like the IRA. I suggest reading A Letter Concerning Toleration by John Locke written in 1689 that is literally the OG "We should not tolerate the intolerant." screed. This is a slow boil and we've stepped into the last days of it when the long march is complete.
Nah, it's really a question of WHAT and WHO is "tolerated" or not. They tolerate their own intolerance with great tolerance. It's YOUR intolerance of whatever they want that cannot be tolerated. It's really just empty words to give the false impression of having principles where there are none.
Most of these words and trends today are rackets for something else. They make their claims in large enough generalized terms, then use them for selective targeting. When you sort them out, they're just fronts for something that would be universally condemned under it's truthful name. They're used to take advantage of, or suppress the voice of some other group, race or class, and to promote policies that penalize others for the advantage of the racketeers. Another way to legalize crime for the "oppressed" group.
What's done in the Dark will be brought to the Light
Joshualbatross Sooner or Later God Will Cut You Down? Whose version? Tom Jones?
I'm partial to Johnny Cash's rendition, it's a bit darker.
Joshualbatross I guess the proper title is Run on For a Long Time
1:18:10 Race Class & Gender anthology: "Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text."
When it says they will review policies and procedures to make sure this will never happen again they're talking about banning recordings during SJW inquisitions LOL
LOVE the new format.
Production value! :D
Just need to sort out the audio. Need to invest in three radio mics and a quality digital audio recorder. Easy to relay the audio back during the edit. At the moment the audio is cobbled together using the two camera audio tracks listening to it. The other guy on the couch was well in the background. Irritating...
Toffy B look at their jackets, they are all wearing lavalier mics
Yes I know, but it's the arrangement to the audio tracks into the recording devices (cobbled) which makes the present arrangement impractical. You will hear that in the edits. Individuals out of shot are 'off mic'. And yes, I had over 30 years broadcast experience in documentaries... However, loving the debate.
Toffy B so you basically just want them to have separate recorders for each lav?
1:55 "I got a PhD, I'm able to reach my own conclusions....". I have a shovel and am a ditch digger, have tenure in the ditch, and I also can come to a conclusion on my own. I agree, I don't need people to tell me what is in my own best interest.
Exactly. Unless you voluntarily want help from specialists in different fields (you can learn most things on your own) then no free thinking human needs anyone to form their opinions.
Something tells me that getting your PhD involves a little more critical thinking than ditch digging
moral of this story for students? be vigilant. ALWAYS record your meetings done behind closed doors!
Thank God Peterson is finally getting some other University professors to speak out with him. There may be hope yet!
Peterson for President
Prime Minister but definately
I don't understand why not more professors have come out to discuss the current problems in academia and collegue campuses and the stifling of freedom of speech that directly affect them and affect student's education so negativily.
Do these guys still have jobs?
yeeeeesss! It is terrifying that these will be the people who are indoctrinating America! We must speak out against this.
Academics - generally cowards.
These men are the exception, not the rule, but thank God they exist.
On a tech note, all microphones should be mixed and equalised so each speaker has a similar tone and output.
However Dr Peterson, technically your videos have improved incredibly, intellectually I feel you have improved me quite a bit.
Thank you.
More tech notes :)
I would rather hear them talking over each other in full fidelity (all mics left on) rather than fading them in and out so much. Just fade the mics out to get rid of coughs, water sips, excessive rustling etc ....otherwise leave them on.
This is a civilised conversation, any talking over each other is accidental and only momentary, and can be left in.
Also the constant cuts to JBP listening were a bit weird.
A ukelele in the background would be nice. Played live of course. Or perhaps a lute or an oud.
Cowards lol You spend your whole life working your ass off for a highly competitive position. Who wouldn't avoid making noise? Who are the brave ones? Are you brave if you risk yourself when you have barely anything to lose? How many CEOs that would be negatively affected by speaking out speak out? It's almost as if almost everyone is a coward but you can only tell about their true identity if they're an academic or a CEO, etc.
PedroTricking perhaps you are very conflict averse, let's say. Hope it will save your sorry arse.
I work in academia and will stand with JBP, not with you.
I'm by far more attention averse than I am conflict averse. Being really contrarian also goes against the idea that I'm conflict averse.
What area do you work in in if you don't mind me asking?
If you shut down one side of a debate then its no longer debate.
Just imagine how often this has already happened in the past where the TA student didnt record it where the student didnt had the courage to speak up or tell anyone else?!!!!
My Daughter will be looking at Universities 1 year from now. I went to Waterloo down the street, and Laurier would have been on the list of possible schools she would have considered. In fact, I toured Laurier with my son 2 years ago when he was looking at UIniversities. I can promise: there is NO WAY she will be even looking at Laurier following this outrageous situation. I am sure other parents and students would share my view.
Yeah, but Laurier just got exposed, its not like its the only place it might have happened
Yes like the comment above me said it can happen these days anywhere. Laurier seems to be reassuring in that professors like these ones were there and helped Lindsay out in this situation instead of just ignoring what is happening or join against her
PIX BMS I didn't know that pirates are into computer programming. Lol. Just joking because of your photo there. I think you've chosen wisely... The programming, that is, not the piracy. Lol. Forgive the lame jokes, it's very late at night when everything strikes me as silly. Hope you don't mind my goofy comments. Oh, I wanted to say my daughter graduated from a very liberal, very expensive college in NYC and even that didn't guarantee any great career. Then, years later, at age 40, she became a registered nurse after another 4 yrs of study at a state university. Not everyone has her energy and perseverance and ability to adapt to whatever comes their way. One of my son's majored in art. He delivers pizza, and says he should have studied a specific occupation ( like you did). The other son hardly went to high school and is a tattoo artist and his work and skill is admired, but it's a variable type of occupation. My eldest son hitchhiked out west after high school, became a talented djembe drummer, lived in and hiked the Gila Mountains for years, had many friends, assisted at the birth of his child at the Gila River, he was loved by many people of diverse ages and social status. Unfortunately he was shot and killed 7 yrs ago, an unjustified homicide, tragic and unimaginable, brought about by a woman's foolish love of "drama" in her life. And as for myself, I barely got thru life's challenges. It's a tough time for young people to make it these days. I hope you continue to do well. I think you will. Something about your comment inspired me to reply to you.
I think the difference is that Uni of Waterloo is a world renowned intellectual space, and as such the students there are much less likely to be fooled by the PC agenda.
get her into jordans school and class, should stop her from beeing corrupted by ideology
Brilliant. Three brilliant men. Thank you. I don't know what else to say. I'm in the U.K. We are already lost.
This reminds me of that verse ''Woe unto them that call good evil, and evil good, that put light for darkness, and darkness for light, that put sweetness for bitter, and bitter for sweet'' ~ lsaiah 5:2O Everything's inverted!!
God be with you allways Dr. Peterson
The Force be with you!
I've learned so much and changed my whole perspective bc of this man right here. You're a hero sir
Jason Griffin love you, Jason. ❤️
Jason Griffin keep going. We never how far we can really go.
Lol tell me if I’m right. I think I seen you on Tommy Sotomayor’s channel writing some hilarious comments.
Most interesting statement in here: 80% of papers in humanities and social sciences are never cited even once.
Although I do not know the set of causes that make this happen, one point that seems important to touch upon is that much of academic work in humanities falls under the category of scholarship rather than research. There is no clear line of progression from one paper to another, where one minute finding is incorporated into further research or criticised by other scientists. The nature of the domain of humanities seems to be inherently much fuzzier (which is not a value judgment on my part).
Even if the above is correct and humanities will always get fewer citations than, say, medicine, the ratio of 80% of papers not being cited shows that a lot of work is put into writing things that are of no interest to anyone, ^even^ the academics themselves.
I think this is like the 4th time I've heard Peterson mention it or something close to it. It's not completely new information, not on this channel anyway.
He only said humanities studies, not social sciences. I looked at the article which Jordan cited arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.5250.pdf and it seems as though social sciences is quite well.
that is excactcly the problem, I have to write 2 thesis' for communication studies, and that only for my bachelor degree. And theoretically every paper should add something 'new' to the broader scientific field altho you HAVE to base everything on theories and stuff that already exists. It really is an unstable model tbh.
I think in this circumstance, the statement that there was a complaint when there wasn't one, should be treated like academic fraud.
Is there such places on campuses
called "Free Speech Safe Space" yet?
no because free speech is for alt right authoritarian fascists apparently
I went to the University of Missouri and we have one actually-it’s in a courtyard we call it ‘Speaker’s Circle’
Ah ha. An inversion.
"Danger Spaces".
Wow this was probably one of the best videos regarding free speech and everything Jordan has been warning us about for the past year, and a testament to why we should protect freedom of expression at all costs. Also the quality was excellent, I hope Jordan keeps making videos with such good quality.
That's all, i'm gonna go clean my room now.
Lindsey Shepherd did nothing wrong.
It's okay to be Lindsey Shepherd.
Jeff Holiday did nothing wrong.
I wouldn't even tell Lindsey Shepherd she did anything wrong.
Because she didn't.
She's a hero.
jemielnic Good thing it was a girl who was quick to cry, because this is the sort of sjw nonsense that needs to be exposed and fought. Insofar as her crying made the recording especially heinous to listen to and therefore garnered more media attention, it's a damn good thing
This was actually a very interesting discussion. I am happy I spent 2 hours on this.
Finally, I've found a video where Mr. Peterson is wrong!
At 1:59:40 he says that this video will probably be watched by 150 thousand people. The count is currently at 795 thousand!
So there!
"Probably" hehe
Very telling insight that the university saw fit to tell the faculty how to respond to Trump. Also the safe spaces to find comfort. How absurd.
Robinson Mertilus Agreed
My jaw dropped when I heard them say the administration told the faculty how to interpret Trump's policy. That's almost as staggering as the fact that 550 full-time professors were willing to just let that slide. Unbelievable.
Totally agree. Had I been there I would have sent a letter or protest at the very least! I also find it disturbing that even this video promotes the idea that Trump is a bad candidate, based on his supposed discrimination... as far as I know the entire basis for the "Trump is a racist/sexist" argument is founded in a misquotation of a speech he gave one time at a border state about the crime rate among migrants being higher, combined with the blown-out-of-proportion chat with another guy he had about certain women and how they act around rich male/celebrities. I haven't heard any actual evidence other than these things; only a lot of repetition along the same lines that "since everyone believes it, it must be true". Let's not forget that most of the spread of this Trump-hate came from the mainstream media who Trump has quite clearly and definitively called out as "Fake" and made and enemy of! But that gets easily swept under the rug by any and all who have some reason to want a woman or democrat in the office.... which, [if you ask me,] is truly a sad commentary on the level of critical thinking that goes on within most peoples' brains, and is yet another example of the complete and total failure the FREE government-funded PUbLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM in the U.S.A. ....
does anyone really think free = great? No, but the parents see a free school and compare it to paying 20, 30, 40 THOUSAND dollars a year, which is about the same price as they paid for their HOUSE....
Dak Ralter The reason they keep harping on it with Trump is because it had worked in the past (not on him mind you). It worked so well that their skills in defeating opponents atrophied to the point of uselessness. They had the easy kill shot. Racist. Sexist. I win. The problem is, they lost. And now they don't have the skills to win again. This makes them very angry and the try and try again to beat the same drum constantly. It's all they know how to do.
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i can't understand how someone can see and hear Dr. JBP and conclude anything negative about him ...that's just insane !!!!
I believe it's a symptom of a serious underlying corruption or deformation.
"we are taking decisive actions to ensure that these events will not be repeated"
Is possibly the envisaged new procedure is:
"Make sure that the prosecuted does not have any laptop or other recording equipment active during inquisition"
That was the mistake!
Mats Rosengren don’t send kids to progressive left wing universities. Do your homework a yr in advance. Go to speaking events. Talk to teachers. You will see quickly where the schools head is at
Exactly.
I really liked this panel, discussing current events like this should become a semi-regular occurrence. Could be called "Profs Talk with Jordan Patterson", I can see it catching on.
I'd watch two hours of this weekly
JThorp the universities should all be shown this video.
You just know that the people who would benefit most from hearing this won't be able to see past three white males.
I was scanning the comments for one like this. If you hadn't mentioned it, I would have.
why, just include someone like BRIGITTE Gabrielle or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, then gone with the fucking identity politics, and the result will be the exact same. This is about diversity of thought, NOT "diversity" of race or gender.
+4browsing It gets stranger, because if they don't like what you say, they'll just call you jewish anyway and put brackets around your name.
“That’s a good point but have you ever considered that you’re a white male?”
I had that thought as well, but we can hope they listen more than they look.
Damn! This is a great discussion! Cannot believe I am just seeing this.
Love listening to these three.... I re-listen every so often, every time I get somehting new from it.....
JBP. A real, ACTUAL, honest-to-god hero. Ive never really felt that way about anyone else before. (sorry to my departed dad..) I'm trying to think of a another person in my 47 years that i admired so much for their knowledge, intellect, communication, leadership and bravery. There are those that I have held in reasonable regard - but nothing like the awe and respect I have for you. Thank god for you. And thank god for your many followers and that hear you speak, and understand the clear thruths you present. Starting to sound a bit political movementy/culty/obsessive now....? Ok forget about all that. How about i just really admire you and the work you have been doing. Cheers & love to all.
clickaccept - agreed. Thanks for honsety and advice.
I agree entirely. Am I deluded in thinking JP is starting to look like Obama - of all people?
When I was studying history in what you would call high school, about 12/13 years ago, I asked my teacher if it would be okay for me to download Triumph of the Will, which as all historians should know is *actual Nazi propaganda*, and show it to the class, since at the time we were studying World War II.
I did so, we watched part of it (due to class time), talked about it and then...went on with the rest of our lives.
No-one complained. No-one made a fuss about it. No-one talked about it outside of the classroom. It was seen by literally everybody that it was a perfectly logical thing to do. I honestly can't remember if I even mentioned it to my mother. If I had, she wouldn't have said anything.
"Hey ma, watched a Nazi video in history class. Real interesting how well it was put together, how effective it was at gathering support".
"That's nice"
is about how it would have gone, if I ever did tell her about it.
What has changed in just over 10 years that I and my fellow students can watch *actual Nazi propaganda* in class * all of us teenagers*, with no complaints, with the teacher not even blinking at the suggestion...to now, where showing a debate featuring *Jordan Peterson* who even if one believes all the horrible things said about him has not actually done anything like Hitler (i.e. no genocides) to *ADULTS* is verboten?
Gotta be honest here - I wrote this comment before hearing that point in the video where Peterson says he too shows Triumph of the Will in his classes.
Great minds think alike!
I know this is an older video. But god i absolutely love listening to Jordan openly think and analyze and articulate his stance and reasoning.
His communication skills and ability to think for himself in pressure cooker situations in interviews and talking to masses its incredible. Frankly im jealous of his skill and intellect.
Wow! I'm 3 years late to this party, but this is dynamite.
As far as I am concerned, Lindsay is woman of the year 2017
bruh. no.
bruh. yea
John Data she played a video. Got grilled by some sjws and cried a little. Real Woman of the year material. Martyr of the year more like it. I’m just saying.
Lawrenceii First of all. It was an audio tape. Secondly she had the wits to record it. Then she uploaded it without knowing at the time the charge was bogus. She is hardly a hero and no martyr. But definitely woman of the year. And Google victim James Damore is man of the year. Both liberal people crucified by the horrible regressive left and still standing tall.
STUNNING AND BRAVE. truly.
From the Clarification statement released by WLU " a later discussion among students about the video was brought to the attention of a staff member".
I can certainly see why the Liberal Arts faculty was alarmed to find students taking ideas from class and discussing them without supervision. They may have even come up with ideas on their own!
Watching Jordan Peterson at work is an amazing experience. THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD!!!
American, here. Very informative, still relevant 2 years later in the US. Dr Peterson, you are one very brave, level headed heck of a man. Thank you.
He said that this video will be watched by 150,000 people. It already has 300,000 views and will get even more. It’s a good thing that more people are learning and watching useful content.
Make that 660k
@@someeuropeanguy7378
680K
That's roughly 5K a month.
It would be interesting to see how that is affecting their profit.
I come back here every so often to re-watch this, so I'll make a point of keeping track of the watch count.
Over 690,000 as I saw it today
690K.
That's 10K in three weeks.
That's an average of around 3.3K a week over the last 3 weeks.
This video was uploaded in Nov 2017, roughly 19 months ago.
The rolling average is 690K / 19 = 36315 views a month on average.
WLU must be LOVING all the publicity.
702k 😉
I'm so grateful to the SJWs because I had no idea who Jordan Peterson was before them and now I find his content the most useful I've found on RUclips. Thank you.
Being away from Canada for years, I can't imagine how it became...... Thanks 🌹 Dr. Peterson!
I cannot believe how lucky I was in my education. OMG, it gets ugly. I had professors who guarded my freedom to think.
Holy crap, I cant believe I actually listen to this stuff. Worst of all, I ENJOY it. Dammit, Professor, you turned me into a grown-up!!
Phantasma3 hey man happens to the best of us.
Thinking?! Maturity?!! AAAARRGUH!! :)
LOL I know, I'm playing league of legends and this is on my 2nd monitor. I'm like, "wtf, why can't i take this off my screen?"
WoW on my main screen, EU LClownfiestaS on the other, this as background audio for both. It can always get worse.
clean your room!
This conversation warms my heart!
The opposite of "free speech" is not "hate speech", like leftists would claim it to be. It's censorship!
My deep appreciation for your continued exploration and efforts, Dr.Peterson, to preserve and uphold the values it's taken thousands of years of evolution for humans to attain! 🙏
Far leftists don't seem to think that hate speech is the opposite of free speech. On contrary they seem to think that this is an equivalent and this is why people are worried about free speech because all they want to do is hate speech
Unless you are inciting violence, your speech should be protected, no matter how hateful. That you can suffer legal repercussion for OFFENSE is a very very dangerous line of thinking that leads to fascism.
its such a nebulous term, its hard and pointless to give ti an exact equivalent or opposite.
You might want to look up the case of Mark Meechan, a comedian in Scotland. Textbook case of exactly what you are talking about. He was very controversial, but they convicted him for offending people, after determining that the context of his joke is irrelevant. Enjoy the fascism.
So they do not learn about any terrorists, nazis, stalin, etc. stuffs in University anymore? Like I am very Offended by censure, it hurt my heart and I wonder where I can protect to make my pain heard and get a safe place for me too?
INTELLECTUAL RIGOR, OR RIGOR MORTIS? People go to gyms, jog, and work-out to strengthen their muscles by subjecting them to opposing forces. The body without exercise becomes a physical blob. Universities should be (and once were) intellectual gymnasiums, where it was the pride of the institution to subject students to opposing forces from all directions - so that intellectual horizons would expand not necessarily to embrace, but to consider opposing points of view, thus strengthening the mind. The alternative - stifling alternate opinions, shutting down or shouting down debate, or engaging in mindless sloganeering and name-calling, produces the kind of intellectual atrophy so much on display on college campuses across North America - and personified in Messrs Rambukkana and Pimlott, and Ms. Joel. The lunatics truly have seized the asylum. It's time to take it back. Do do so, only one weapon need be deployed - the one that strikes terror in their hearts: free speech.
David Crossman AMEN my brother
Only bigots and oppressors do that.
Gentlemen; Thank youuuuu for all you bring to the table.
It appears to me, that b4 you attend higher education degrees, you'll need 3 yrs of preparedness training of college speak.
If the other professors think they can protect themselves by not getting involved now, sad news it will devour them later.
The three of you set the mark of what all professorships should emulate.
GOD BLESS 🙏🙏🙏
I'm writting from Spain. I'm so grateful to have found you thanks to my half spanish half swedish daughter. I'm no longer an orfan intelectual thanks to you and other people you talk with. I believe that the fundamental points you articulate tell the story of western countries intelectual sickness that shows among other manifestations the tendency to claim for free speech, freedom, and free determination in one way, the extreem left one. In my opinnion right and left are no longer accurate definitions. I beleive that free speech must be for everyone to speak, be listened and to motivate honest and civil debates based on facts and well documented and accurate evidences. What we are experiencing lately in Spain with the catalonian challenge is a sample of the post modernism expression in a vicious way. When words and actions are prostituted and when no honest debate is made posible because the discourse is used to produce confusion and mirages. Thanks to people like you there is light and hope in a general atmosphere of mental darkness. Thank you.
I'm from Catalonia. The Catalan Issue has nothing to do with Postmodernism. The Spanish state is rotten with corruption and still hangover from 40 years of dictatorship. Catalonia is also rotten with corruption. But the Spanish state is not being democratic with Catalonia and that's THAT. They should have let us decide in the first place, but they fucked up and proved who they really are -- and thanks to their stupidity, pride and diplomatic clumsiness, we find us now in a very ugly situation. I was never an independentist, but since the police broke into my highschool on the election day and beat up a friend of mine, I have sympathy for the separatists. I don't want to stay in a country who doesn't allow me to decide if I want to stay or not -- That's called kidnapping or hijacking.
Would you be with a man who doesn't allow you to decide if you want to be with him or not? Exactly ;)
Lola Lucia not all is as dark or lost as it seems Lola. There are many of us who are still insisting on speaking for themselves, with nuance and fearlessness. And one of us can sweep aside thousands of these thoughtless parrots by simply going beyond the superficial accusations and assumptions. It's soon to be clobbering time for common sense and the kindness that comes with it. Keep up the Good fight! And don't be so sure about the Catalan motivations ...listen to that person who responded. It might be the right time in history for countries to get smaller and for small people groups around the world to have more self-determination. I hope and pray that you and those who wish for Catalan independence can have civilized and thorough discussions.
Lola Lucia I am from Costa Rican. Many blessings, and Spain is much part as my heritage as the native Americans. I appreciate your comment.
Thank you. I'm also native and raised french, also lived in Sweden too. So I can spanish, catalan, swedish, french and english. This give me a panomaric capacity to grabe a big picture. Catalonian separatist like to present themselves as victims but they are supremacist among other dangerous things. I live in catalonia and have got first hand on the issue.
Guillem Ramos Well, Catalonia is a strong economic region. As with everything else, money and taxes has a lot to do with it. Europe does not need any new borders. I bet there is corruption in the autonomous government.
All of this is truly terrifying as an American, because I see the beginnings of this criminalization of thought on university campuses here.
This kind of stuff started in the USA and has now infected Canada, not the other way around. US universities are already SJW-ized for the most part. Not much difference between threatening legal action and threats, harassment, violence and psycho terror against wrong-thinkers like it's happening at US unis if it has the same effect.
Damien Blake Thanks I didn't know this it's about time the powers that be put their foot down and stopped this madness! These students that's are wrapped up in cotton wool and have never been in the real world a day in their lives need to get out their safe spaces and grow some balls or at least a thicker skin! A year or two ago when American coloured students where asking for safe space segregation spaces I could not believe it !! After all the great work done by people like MLK these SJW morons are wanting to go back to segregation!!! These black students are from well off families and have never faced real racism or hardship in their lives ! And they have the nerve to try and talk for all black people some of which have very real problems!
They just can’t speak bad about Islam in London..
Coming from Sweden equality of outcome has been hammered in my head since I was very young. And every time I've I've felt that its the most backward idiot idea ever conceived. And I can never understand how anyone can really think its "fair"
sweden is no match to america when it comes to wokeness
US invented the current woke and far left culture
Sweden is just an irrelevan bacwate
The problem is the legal challenges even when they succeed against false accusations the damage has already been done.
19:39 - THANK YOU!!!!! I've been waiting for someone to talk about the difference between Critical Theory and Critical Thinking, which sound similar, but are completely opposed!
I once had to explain to one of my PhD professors that critical thinking skills did not mean that it was critically important that we all think exactly the way she had told us to.
To clarify what Dr. McNally said, the academics behind critical theory were not actually German, but Jews living in Germany. The rest is accurate.
Critical Theory has some application in understanding totalitarian regimes, but the idea of applying it to everything, is equivalent of a doctor treating every disease with cough syrup. An induction fallacy of a cataclysmic scale.
Not everyone of these Germans were Jews, though connections to B'nai B'rith were definitely there. However, to real fruition it was brought by some of these people in the USA. People like Adorno and Horkheimer. The Rockefeller Foundation gave its share for their research projects too.
Good job you three, we need more profs like you stepping forward and using their position to voice some reason into the vacuous insanity of the howling left.
"This video will probably be viewed by a hundred thousand people ".... views 810K.
880,000 times as of today. Wonderful to see Victor Hugo's famous quote in operation:
"You can't stop an idea who's time has come."🤔
904k
928k
1M
I know this was produced a long time ago but I want to thank these 3 professors for working hard to keep sanity live and well. I have seen current quotes on Twitter that lets me know that you are still fighting the good fight. I support you in your endeavors. I hope you still look at the comments
"This video will probably be seen by 150,000 people."
I wish it would be seen by 7 bil people.
Deeeerrrrrp At about 390,000 views now...
About 3 bil people don't have access to the internet let alone clean drinking water :( .
It's at about 416,000 now!
What good would that do? At least 6.9 billion of them wouldn't understand it, and another 0.5 billion of them are positively opposed to everything Jordan Peterson says. I fear that we are doomed.
@ dieflab
hyperbole
[hahy-pur-buh-lee]
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.
I can see my Patreon dollars going to good use! Fantastic production value, great format! Thank you Dr Peterson!
This is the best fricking video I have watched on RUclips in years. Thank you, professors.
Really a fantastic discussion. The 2nd was particularly great, in my opinion, in seeing how this reaches beyond Wilfred Laurier U.
Thank you to all three of you.
This format, though. I like.
that aesthetic tho
It looks very much like how I imagine professors chatting at a private weekend gathering at one of their homes.
Still waiting for Proffesor Peterson and Miss Shepard to have a good sit down chat. However it happens, it would be awesome internet fodder.
The new four horse men...?
A platform to counter the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, perhaps?
Excellent discussion. Thanks to all of you for being voices of reason. And for standing up for freedom of speech.
Standing up for a speaker's freedom to speak to a paying audience on something other then what the audience paid for isn't standing up for freedom of speech.
Next time you pay money to attend a conference and they switch speakers and topics, make sure you remain consistent and recognize those speakers freedom of speech and support those principles by not asking for your money back.
And yes, I am being facetious. I don't expect you to stay silent but to ask for your money back. But this conflation of paid speech with free speech is really getting on my nerves.
If you make a coherent or even somewhat intelligent comment, I will respond in kind.
Okay, I'll try to make it more coherent.
If I enter into a contract with another to hear them speak on a particular subject, the person is bound by a contractual obligation to provide such speech. In other words, that speech was paid for and if the other person didn't provide that speech, the contract has been breached and I suffered a loss in money and time.
If a student paid fees and attended a class where the teacher went off on a tangent, a contract has been breached. It does not matter if the speech was offensive or not offensive, enjoyable or otherwise, what matters is that it was not the speech contracted for.
The other person cannot then claim that any action against them for the breach of contract for paid speech violates their right to free speech. Or that their right to free speech is a defense not to provide a contracted obligation.
That same principle applies when an employer employs an employee to provide a scripted spiel to customers to obtain business. If the employee then goes on to exercise their free speech, they are in breach of the employment contract. Such a breach would not cover what they said in their free time, outside of working hours, but would cover what they said during the time they were supposed to be following a script.
So if the Teaching Assistant went off script during a class they were teaching, they are in breach of the contract. There's no abrogation of the right to free speech because that time was paid for. Hence paid speech is subject to the laws of contract and not protected by any freedom of speech laws.
I hope that made enough sense that you can comment on it.
Show me this contract where it clearly states that speech is to be contained within a confine that prevents people from gaining knowledge outside a narrow scope as you suggested. And I will read through that contract to see if it is truly as you suggest. And if it is, I would suggest that it is more of a method of indoctrination, rather than learning.
Furthermore. What about the other students who want to learn what she taught? Are they not entitled to learn? Are they beholden to you or the preference of others?
Consider applying that argument to any contract, e.g. show me in this contract where it clearly states that the goods supplied is to meet the specifications, that prevents people from gaining benefits outside a narrow scope.
A contract specifies the goods, either in terms of the good itself or in terms of the purpose for which the good is intended. No contract contains a clause that "the goods supplied is to meet the specifications, that prevents people from gaining benefits outside a narrow scope".
If the customer gains additional benefits, that's called "value added". No contract specifies that, however, the value added is in relation to the customer. A complaint of a deviation means that deviation had no value added.
If the other students want to learn what she taught, there would be a class for that. i.e. they would have signed up for some social study class.
Your counter argument can be used to support feminism being included in every other class outside social studies. Who is to make the determination that students are entitled to learn which subject or that they want to learn a subject or that they should not be beholden to the preferences of the students who want to study something else, for example, engineering in an engineering class.
The arguments that are bad remain bad whether a feminist or a libertarian is using them. They don't suddenly become good because the intention of the person using them are good.
I appreciate that you took the time to ask for clarification and to posit a different perspective.I hope I have responded adequately to both. :)
what a great chat, loved every minute of it.
May we please have more of these discussions? I think they're absolutely necessary. Thank you so much.
Even if there was a complaint,
that still doesn't justify the witch-hunt.
So really, that letter was a "sorry, not sorry". It asserted the wrongness of the meeting with Shepherd, but ended with "so what?" Nothing has changed.
Alvaro Neto we should have seen it coming that the canadains, masters of saying sorry, would find a way to weaponize it. Was only a matter of time :p
Great talk but I miss Shepherd here.
Edit: further in now, anyone else getting a 1984 kinda vibe hearing this? doublespeak, newspeak.... I'm afraid for my kids going to college in ten years, I hope the craziness will have died down somewhat.
You're better off sending them to trade school. 1) Much cheaper 2) Better earning potential 3) Your kids won't get brainwashed.
Oh wow. Watching this was worthwhile. Btw, JBP said, at the end of the video, that probably 150 000 people will see this video, and now its more than 500 000 views, so .. yea.
I can't help but think, when I look at such problematics, as an educated young person who's not from the West, that.. societies like Canadian, are (sadly) dwelling so deeply in such issues! Dear God! Its just beyond and above the real problems people and countries have. Its really mind blowing to reach out to such information and insight of what the hell is actually going on in those societies that are a leading example and role models for the rest of the World. And, don't get me wrong please, by real problems I mean, for example, not being able to afford a higher education, not being able to get a major surgery/healthcare without a bribe, not being able to move out of the parents house and be independent before 30+, which means unemployment is a norm, ..all of these, for like 65% of the population. And then I look at this discussion between 3 great academics from Canada and think... OMG. Wtf is this? Shouldn't this debate be like...on national TV or be an open public debate?! HOW DID THEY EVEN CAME DOWN TO THIS ANYWAYS, this kind of issues? Are you serious? Diversity and equity office? Bullying a TA into an international scandal for being neutral? Safe space in campuses?! WHAT THE FUCK IS A SAFE SPACE IN A CAMPUS, CAN SOMEONE ILLUSTRATE IT FOR ME, I'd really like to picture that in my mind. Here, where I come from, a safe space in a campus is a coffee shop where you can bloody smoke and have your coffee at peace. Or, more literally, its a locker case where you can leave your stuff and believe no-one will break it and steal your bag or books you left there. I feel like I'm from another planet! What stroke me the most is that JBP wrote in the description of the video, that this will happen anywhere else in aprox 5 years. !?! YES, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I don't know what is worse, really. Real problems I described, or these problems, discussed here. A COMPELLED SPEECH LAW IN CANADA? Jeez! We better clean our fucking rooms and get our acts together. I certainly will! Knowing whats out there, and what is going on, is the only defense of a persons integrity. This is what we came to, worldwide. Shit.
Also, an interesting thing, from my perspective, is that Canada, or how we call that type of countries -"nanny-countries" have this, as I can see now, dangerous habit of specializing sooo tightly into a certain profession/work field (as they mentioned STEM fields etc.), that you actually just cannot see anything apart from that. And not only see, but comprehend, and participate, and take a bloody action! So, societies like this are full of people who are experts in their field, but are dumbass for anything non-related. This might be a real problem, I think. How will you even know that there is a dragon to fight out there, if you are educated as dragonblind, in a wide sense? This could work tho, if you adopt a heavenly cooperation, but.. fuck, its virtually impossible to be a centrist in the West nowadays, so .. This is why you really really need a JBP figure, and we all do. His work aims to fill the gap.
Thank you for the video! Looking forward to have a "safe space" explained. :D
Apparently all that patreon money went into this beautiful camera work and editing. :)
Gabriel Keogler I was going to comment the same thing. I never had any great fear that the money was being wasted. In the next 6 months I believe we will see many more advances in his work.
Guy Chet agreed I was just making a pleasant observation and a slightly underhanded comment to the people who says he's missappropriating
My granny crotched Jordan's throw, good to see the candles I donated put to good use.
Now if they can just fix the audio!
Justin Saephan Yeah, someone needs to turn on the lights in there.
The reason the fact-finding report will not be released is, the university administration found out that the faculty who initiated this controversy LIED to, and about, Ms. Shepherd.
I don't see that. People are basing that on the phrase in the report that says there weren't offcial complaints or concerns about maters violating their code. That is like saying we didn't get a complaint about excess noise that quoted the By-law that was specifically violated, therefore nobody complained.
It may be the case that nobody complained, but that sentence is extremely artful, I don't see why they emphasize "official" and Laurier rules, unless they were dodging.
In the inquisition they clearly say that there were complaints. It is also mentioned in more of this video, if you bothered to watch the whole thing. Therefore it was a lie that there was a complaint that justified the meeting in the first place.
@@keegs1163 And the University actually admitted the meeting should not have happened, as this video re-iterates early on.
W.Shakespeare said it best. “Hell is empty and all the devils are here”.
hot quote
This problem has been going on since the nineties when I was in university.
All of this identity politics was cooked up by conservative think tanks to keep the ignorant and unwashed from bringing the rich down directly with flambeaux and pitchforks.
Outstanding. Thank you very much Dr. Peterson, Dr. Haskell, and Dr. McNally. I especially appreciate Dr. Haskell's statement that we must act true to ourself, "You've gotta look your kids in the eye, eventually. And how are you going to say that you need to stand up for truth if you actually don't stand up for truth?" Thank you for standing forthrightly.
I wanna go on a tour of Wilfrid Laurier U's campus. I heard the gravestone of Freedom of Speech is located somewhere in there. I'd like to pay my respects.
Ed Loki press f to pay your respects
Don't even bother, it was removed. Something about the epitaph being offensive.
What a great conversation, even two years later
What a rivetting and respectful conversation, I thouroughly enjoyed it. Thank you for standing up for reason
I appreciate your work so much sir and also the work of your esteemed guests.
I argued against Critical Theory for my entire undergrad. I'm amazed now that I was able to graduate with distinction from a media studies program in Ontario.
That's really sad, I'm glad you got out of that school of thought.
I think that you've misunderstood his statement. He argued *against* critical theory.
This is a great civil conversation, kudos free speech defenders : )
These men who held the inquisition should be fired to send a message. Thought is not a crime. Human rights and diversity specialist was correct. Lyndsey should sue their ass off.
Your publicising this conversation is a foundational act to support free speech around the world. Good on you all, including Lindsay Savage, for your savvy and courage. I say that for my grandchildren who are yet to be born. This matters.