Head to head with Darwin on Zpacks and Durston tents
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What tents are better Zpacks or Durston Gear? Darwin on the Trail and I try to decide. 
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The reality for most of us is that we are not buying a DCF/Dyneema tent. The xmid (non DCF) version is an amazing value at 280 dollars. It’s a great tent, light, durable and affordable.
Most of us choose lanshan.
@@GraemeNiimi ah the best intro to single wall tenting
I think the non pro durston tents should get more love. I know its slightly heavier but being double walled helps with that condensation issue and its cheaper. Plus on nights like you had durston sells the "stargazer kit" so you can set up without the fly. Or you can just use some paracord and do the same thing.
Yes! 💜We got the 2 person OG version for those same reasons and because it fits 2 people w/25" pads: has 2 vestibules: uses 2 poles and 4 stakes to pitch easily. Also, the extra foot space leaves a perfect spot for our dog! 🦮
💯❤Exactly!
How is it in sand?
If money is the issue then you can even use the “Further” mode with the regular Durston tent, so you don’t even need the stargazer kit. But the kit does make it cleaner, so it has its uses.
Hope he makes some with Uktra TNT
As I watched this, I was remembering how the first tent I slept in as a Boy Scout was a canvas tent with no floor and the poles were 2x2 wooden and square. Some tents even had a wooden beam along the peak. We used to have to dig a small trench around the tent so the water would drain away from the tent. Yes I am old but it’s great to live in a time when tents and gear have advanced so much.
😂😂Yep! Our troop used the same style of canvas tents, which I believe were Army surplus. The smell of the canvas kept me up at night!😳🤨
I started off with the same type of tent. Two halves buttoned together with folding wooden poles. I believe it was a Korean War survivor. Lot's of wonderful memories as just a kid and then a Boy Scout with that tent.
I have the Dan Durston tent and havung 2 vestibules gets you air flow to prevent condensation and you can use one side for backpack and one side for going in and out.
I love how when Dan is talking that Darwin walks around and nonchalantly fixes the pitch on your tent.
"fixes"
I dont use hiking poles but have the X-MID which I combine with 2 foldable Carbon fiber rods. Lightweight and super easy to set up. Love it.
X-mid 1p has the clear advantage of having a non DCF mucho affordable version
Exactly.
I did the PCT with the silpoly version. But then again, the Pro wasn’t out yet. So I didn’t know what I was missing. But it was light enough to satisfy me and man the tent was absolutely bomb proof
Purchased durston xmid-2p Gen2. Used for a couple of nights on the N. Rim of the Grand Canyon. Fairly windy. Below Freezing.
4 corners staked. 2 poles inserted. Done. packed the tent with the interior still connected and laid it back out in new location day 2 on the rim. So nice. This tent is SO awesome.
Darwin is correct that the narrowness and shallowness of the tent makes it difficult to do anything other than sleep inside. However, it serves that purpose marvelously. Room for 2 with 25" pads, comfortably. Great head and foot room.
SIMPLE setup. Great price. very lightweight. easy to pack. packs up very small.
I have ZERO buyers remorse on this purchase.
Thanks Darwin and Dan for this side x side review! Always fun 😀
While I am a Durston owner, you can’t deny Darwin takes on the tent. And as he mentioned it’s subjective and each person’s mileage may vary, enjoyed the content and the collab of this two great RUclipsrs 🤙🏽 Simplicity is key, have a great weekend everyone
These two guys. I love these two guys. They are so fun and yet so different. So glad to see them in this video together.
Love the Durston tent! Worked for me on my AT thru hike in 2023. Might be a cult member as a result....
X-Mid has been a superb shelter for me. Manitoba in violent winds. Yes, condensation is there. Great vestibule space reduces claustrophobia when storm bound for three days.
Great comparison guys! For the Durston, moving the base of the hiking pole towards and in the direction of the floor wrinkle a few cms should get rid of it.
Came here to say this - also when there’s a diagonal wrinkle in the floor it usually means you pitched it out of square. It takes a few tries to get it learned. If that was Darwin’s first time it’s not surprising that he didn’t get it perfectly square.
I just bought a Durston but have only set it up. I am using it soon so we will see my Alps Zenith 2 person has served me well. Recently used a 2 person Alps teepee one trek pole and loved it. Wish you had mentioned price comparison but I can find that. Great info. Thanks
I have the first two Xmid's. The 1 and the 2. I love them both. Super easy to pitch, especially once you do the initial set up. For the common hiker, they're great.
Thanks for this. I used Tarptent for a while. A Notch was too narrow. I'd sleep dry but get wet from condensation getting out of the tent in the morning. Kelly Hayes videos brought Durston to my attention and I was near ready to jump then a friend suggested Zpacks. This head to head is good! I'm not sure what the alternative is yet but with your comments about each, I'm not as sold as I was on either an hour ago.
I actually love the two vestibules. As a backcountry hunter the extra storage space has been invaluable for gear. To each their own I guess.
The beauty is that you can collapse one vestibule if you want to, and have it available in the event you do.
The two vestibules is awesome for storage and getting breeze into the tent on hot nights. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want it.
@@Gearmaniack UL's be like, "It will save me .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 grams"😆
I love my xmid 1p, its not Dymema, and i have not experienced much condensation at all in it. Also not a huge fan that its awkward to get views out of or drink coffee out of in the morning, but really every tent has its pros and cons, its an awesome tent for the price/weight and I don't feel claustrophobic like I do in the bivy style tents.
Loved the Honesty of the review's.
I like durability and is 1-2lb heaver tent a deal breaker not to Me.
We have a medium sized dog and therefore a Zpacks TRIPLEX and like it mostly. If you buy a Duplex or Triplex I would highly recommend getting the zipped vestibule option. Ours does not have zippers and rain blows in. They told us, "you have to set it up according to the prevailing wind." Apparently they have never seen a thunderstorm !🤪
This is a great debate between two people on the opposite sides of hiking! I think it’s great! You both have great energy together! I appreciate this a lot!!
I wouldn’t really call it a “debate”
Darwin seems to have a special bond with his dead cat. 😂
Reason I have Dan Durston tent.
1. I am Canadian so I don't have to pay hundreds of dollars in duty to buy it.
2. I like you can use just the outer and have a tonne more space
Great video. I like to see the channel overlap. Coming from the 1P Lanshan pro cult, I would love to see one or both of you review my tent. I bought one a few years ago to try trekking pole tents and haven't found a good reason to upgrade as planned.
Great Video Dan, thank you for sharing.
I like the chemistry.. . Your reviews have really helped me learn. We’re aways from affording an ultra lite tent, saving for it. but researching . .. thank you. I’d love to a comparison between weights on tent vs. hammock. We’ve thru hiked the triple O ( NW Arkansas and Missouri) working on finances for Colorado Trail currently. Feel like you guys give us pros and cons straight up. Thanks. ❤
Easier is always better! Good job, guys! TY!
I feel like a lot of the backpacking/hiking RUclipsrs are way off base with their videos. Focusing on ultralight $600 plus tents is a very small percentage of people who do this activity. Whereas the majority of people can afford a 100 to $300 light tent... I really wish there was a channel that focused on going light as possible yet cost effective gear.
Well there are but obviously the algorithm doesn’t forward it you’re way because you watch and comment the top shelf products tubers are presenting
@@splashpit I guess the people who are interested in content about tents and stuff will be more likely to be open for more high end gear
MyLifeOutdoors has got some videos on lightweight gear on the cheap. Has a challenge out right now about low cost set ups.
also check out @justinoutdoors he's got a good variety of gear options and considers budget well in his reviews
That content is out there, just search for it. Before I decided to bite the bullet and get the expensive tent I was watching all kinds of reviews of 100-$300 tents
Love my duration 2 person, also love my Big Agnes copper ! Good to see Darwin back on the trail.
I like his shoes.
Stated wearing Topo some time ago.
I’d love to see your impressions of the ZPacks offset solo!
As an owner of a Durston X-Mid 2 ( not a cult :-) ) I love the tent when it's me and my wife. I've set it up so much I can almost do it blind folded. I don't have any issue with condensation as long as I open the vents, if I don't.. it rains inside. I'm in the market for a 1-person tent and Darwin brings up a good point about single pole tents. As I'm beleive there's no perfect tent for every situation, I'll do my reading and youtubeing before makin up my mind. great review!
Well, this was a fun video for me. My Copper Spur zipper FINALLY gave out after 6 years of use, so I have been looking again at zpacks. I agree with Darwin, I wouldn't like the side up next to my face, AND I agree with Dan that extra pole opening up the side would be GREAT. Thanks guys for helping me decide... now I can order one and STOP USING CLOTHES PINS ON MY BIG AGNES. LOL
I hate to say this, but I will always chose a freestanding, double walled tent when backpacking. The easy of set-up, better condensation management, and usually better in storms (but not always). I usually use Hilleberg, Fjällräven; but i love Sierra Designs, Nemo, and BA. :) Yes they are heavier, but it's worth it to me.
I have tried the Duplex and X-Mid; both are great tents (although I prefer the X-Mid)! However, just not as versatile IMHO. :)
The X-mid is really easy to set up only need 4 stakes, in the summer I only bring the outer in case of rain or/and wind and I use a Borah gear bivy when the weather is good to avoid morning humidity.
So you can set it up without the outer? Is that the star gazing kit they sell?
@@stigcc Yes without the outer when no rain/no wind and it's quicker is the morning. I don't use the kit from Durston Gear but a bivy from Borah Gear.
Great comparison
2 poles 4-stakes, versus 1 pole and how many stakes? Great to see the collab! Fun times!
Durston Shape question: the shape is for its better wind handling characteristics. I have had some windy nights in the UK in my Durston, more so than what I get in the US. However in the US West i only carry the fly, and most nights cowboy it. (using the non pro, not a fan of single wall tents)
The Durston is super easy to set up. 4 points, put in 2 poles, stake out 2 doors. So fast. Quick question for Darwin. He was pretty adamant about not using two poles. Is this for fear of one breaking on trail. How many times in his experience has this happened to him?
Agreed!
I love simplicity to, and to me most Zpacks tents seem to a bit of a hassle to put up compared to the X-Mid. Also, the bathtub is possible to make perfectly wrinkle free with practice.
Many times he likes to hike with just one trekking pole actually. he has broken poles on trail… that’s how he first started hiking with one trekking pole, after one broke he realized he didn’t always need two..
Love Darwin, this was an awesome collab!
I'm 5'5" and have the altaplex for tall people, but Im older and it's easy to get in and out of.
I'm reading the replies to see how tall people like these tents since they mentioned that a lot. They are both at least 6'? My son is 6'5"
@@amywert8088I’m 6’6” and the Durston 2p works alright for me, even with another person. The foot of my quilt can get a bit damp if I haven’t been able to guy the foot end of the fly out enough but otherwise it’s pretty good.
Where was this filmed at?
MSR are the best tents/gear in my opinion… 🇳🇴
Lots of the points Darwin raised resonate with my views on the durston and plex solo. Both are great, but both have issues
Two of my biggest complaints about the Durston pro is the condensation and just how slick the tent floor is. I feel like I slip and slide across the floor. My biggest complaint about the zpacks Duplex is the tent poles block the doors. Both tents are great. Both have issues
Glad you're liking the tent. The slipperiness will depend on the tent floor material and your pad, so it varies for different pads, but we do have a DCF floor option now in our Pro tents that usually will be less slippery.
@durstongear it's a great tent and I plan on using it on the JMT this summer. I changed sleeping pads to a longer one and that seems to have stopped me from sliding around too much. I have x-mid pro 2, tons of space. I feel like I'm in a studio apartment. 😃
Guys, If you like simplicity like I do check out the TT Protrail. I do wish it was a little taller. One thing I dislike about the 1 pole shelters like a plex solo or lunar solo is having so many guylines to not trip over in camp, as well as 7-10 stakes to pitch it adequately.
I also don't understand the fascination with the Durston tent design. The walls totally angle in, making it seem smaller than it is. And as Darwin mentioned, who needs 2 giant vestibules for 1 person? I don't. Oh well, HYOH.
What is the best way to reduce condensation? Us a cover on the tent? Or no matter what u will have condensation?
I watched a video today called, 10 tips to reduce compensation in your tent. By Oscar Hikes. 9 min video, worth a watch.
Other than being somewhere where the dewpoint is lower than the ambient temperature, airflow is the best way to reduce it.
Airflow is always king anyway, seeing as the dewpoint inside your tent rises as you sit in it, breathing out all night.
Larger internal space will also help.
If it's possible to pitch under the umbrella of a tree without widow makers, and not too close to water helps considerably.
I'm just here for the Gear show off
Consumers :the tent walls hit my feet ,and my foot box gets wet.
Zpacks: here ya go we added a stick with a cup , and if you run into any giants you can use the cup and string to sling rocks at it as well.
Is on x backcountry alsow for europe ?
Now cover the Lanshan 2 pro Dan
You make a good duo
Holy Moses my two favorite backpackers in the same place okay so ones also a through hiker🎉
This was like a low-energy Battle of the Backpackers. lol.
Darwin Should design a tent... seriously. His ideas is on point.
Personally, I’d love to see more coverage of tents that don’t cost $600+. Darwin has mentioned that he is interested in doing more backpacking rather than just thru-hiking. I think the audience for that, and for Dan’s content would include more weekenders who might not be in the market for such expensive tents. Just my opinion though. Appreciate you both. 😁
Durston non DCF tents are like $240. If you’re not thru hiking you don’t need DCF so you shouldn’t be looking at $600 tents anyway
I think Darwin had it right. You have to pick the tent with the features the meet the requirements of the type of camping you do. If your simply using the tent (or shelter to encompass more types other that strictly tents) to sleep in (think thru hiker), then simpler is better. If you base camping and spending lots of time in the shelter "living", then you want more "bells & whistles" and can handle a little more complicated of a set up. No one shelter is perfect for everyone every time, place, and situation. Love this discussion.
Looks like that Zpacks offset tent is a pain to set up. The fact that you guys are making a video on it and feel the need to try to fix the pitch in the middle of the video says it all. I'm looking to downsize from my duplex, so maybe I'll give the plex solo a shot.
Go Durstan ! ❤lol 😂 you won’t regret it!
You should really consider the Durston
Great video - in the vein of “Simple, don’t have to mess with it” the Tarptent Double Li is amazing. Different category but still light weight enough. Semi free standing or fully free standing, massive foot and headroom, and actually space for two 25” pads. Never wanted to be in the Cult of Durston, but recently picked up a Kakwa 40. Seriously good pack.
*Tarptent Double Rainbow LI (typo)
Still digging my 2nd-gen Gossamer Gear The One for solo 3-season.
I honestly have never understood all the 'to do' in regards to the Durston. Is it just becasue of the different shape ? I thought I was missing something, maybe I'm not...Fast & simple are my primary requirements as well.
Dan's embraced that 'trashbag over a bush' look that so many Zpacks owners seem to love 🤣. Darwin's pitch tweaking is exactly what I have to hold myself back from doing when I see such badly pitched examples🤭
Omg it’s unbearable holding back tweeking peoples tents at camp that looks so poorly pitched
XMid pro 2 has been a Zpacks killa for a while now.....
I've heard twice now youtubers mention that they don't "get the 1 person tent and 2 trekking pole set up." Which to me just doesn't make sense. If putting another single trekking pole upright is "too much" for you, you may need to re-evaluate what consitutes as effort for you. The whole needing four (or five or six if you want vestibule stake outs or not) total stakes and setting up the trekking poles after you make a rectangle with your stakes is so simple that you're hard pressed to find anything easier to set up in complexity. Complex design, but simple user interaction is exactly where I want to be
So what problem do you guys have looking for a stick on the rare occasion? Maybe it's just not part of a desert loadout. As a tall guy with big feet who likes to sleep on a 3.5" Big Agnes Rapid SL with an extra 1/4" of EVA, I am constantly trying to get a good pull-"up" at the foot and head ends. I find the idea of a design made to increase my returns in that regard quit attractive. This case, however, is way outside my budget.
Try six moon designs haven.
Simple and good sleep space is best
@DarwinOnthetrail I like the comparison and pro/con gear, it really helps with my gear decisions. Anyway, what kind of trail runners are you wearing? I can't make it out in the video but they look too durable to be Altra. I went through a pair of lone peaks last year, even using the gaiters, in less than 50 Adirondack miles, apparently the trails are too abrasive, unmaintained and gnarly for them to survive. I understand the trade-off between Ultralight and Durability, but I've seen you guys have do some pretty rough terrain and I'm not being careless with my gear.
I do have to give credit to REI/Altra(hero) for honoring the warranty when I brought them back in all torn up. I expected Apple store treatment but, it didn't cost anything to get the replaced. However, even treating the next pair with more respect, the lugs wore away after a couple hikes and the same material on the side and upper started to come apart.
I can't decide between the Topo Pursuits or the Traverses right now. Any advice and what are you wearing this for this year? I remember you did a video a while back about trail runners, zero drop, and Plantar fasciitis(I have a very wide/flat foot) so I loved how they felt on my feet especially with wide toe box and the quick dry. The zero-drop and stack was less tiring on my leg muscles. But the lone peak's lack of Vibram on the bottom make them slippery on wet rocks and mud in steep sections.
I switched from Merrell Moabs, which were grippy and indestructible, but they would never get dry and become even heavier when soaked.
Please help, I can't afford a new pair of lone peak or Olympus every summer or should that be the expectation with trail runners now?
Also, sorry Dan, I know it's your video but, any advice you have is welcome.
Dan and Darwin are a freaking power couple.
Darwin raises two great points right off the bat: 1 person, 1 pole and 1 person, 1 vestibule. Couldn’t agree more. Hope Dan is reading and can engineer something to that effect 🤞😝
Dan is always reading (and usually responding!).
Yet he is carrying three poles with the Zpaks. 🤦🏻
@@1519Spring hopefully! 🤞😝
Why is it a problem to use two poles?
@@stigcc quicker and easier and I walk with 2 poles so if one breaks I have a redundancy 🙏
Dans backyard has grown a lot i size and gained a lot of rocks.
He actually had to leave his yard to hang out with Darwin
I have a Durston XMid Pro-1. It works well enough and is a quality product/design/. I am thinking about a one person freestanding tent. I want a smaller footprint and a less fiddly setup.
~S
The Durston X-Dome freestanding 1P and 2P is coming out later this year. Def check those out.
@@NikhilShahi
Thanks for the heads-up. Will def check them out.
The z-pack looks like its Durston influenced.
I’m with Darwin. I want simplicity, and easy set up
LOVE THIS Darwin/Dan thing!!!!
Seeing a lot of comments about how not everyone can afford a “$600 tent” and want options for cheaper tents because they’re not thru-hikers.
People, it’s not a “$600 tent” ffs, it’s $600 worth of Dyneema. It’s an expensive material! Dont look at Dyneema tents and you’ll be out of that price range. It’s a specific material for a specific purpose.
Good Materials cost money. But you may not have a use case that requires that material! So please stop whining! It’s like someone who just cooks at home with a $100 knife set complaining about sushi chefs talking about their $500 Japanese knife, because they can’t afford one too.
YOU ARENT A PROFESSIONAL SUSHI CHEF.
(Side note I thru hike with a $240 Silpoly X-Mid 1. So I suuuper don’t understand the whining)
Why has Becker's channel suddenly become anti-Durston? Used the X-mid 2p at Philmont last summer, and absolutely loved it. Consider me in the cult.
Sponsored by Zpaks who give alot of free gear to people.
@Dan. Taking DCF out of the equation and purely thinking design, what about the Six Moons Lunar Solo? How come you've never reviewed that one?
I feel like Darwin is a minimalist and Dan trying for a fair opinion. One tent to rule them all doesn’t exist.
Great review! My friend has the Durston Pro 1 and 2 and the packs, and gotta say it IS a cult, lol. I love my Plex Solo… feels like a perfect balance between too much and not enough!
12 minutes to say what ? Durston Rocks.
8 stakes?! That’s a nope.
Dirty little secret of camping is you get a two person tent, split the weight with someone else you'll be close to the weight of these tiny ultralight, ultra expensive tents for a fraction of the cost.
Well, for me, the zpacks is a no. I own the xmid 1 pro today, and by apperance, i find it simpler to set up and use, compared to zpacks duo. It combines other equipment to the tent in a smart way.
Other than that I thought the video a bit akward, with two people trying to push a tent they weren't completely sold on ...
Counting at least 9-stakes on that (Altaplex?) tent in the B-roll (eight on the Offset). Thought that bearded-guy said he wanted "simple to set up?" Durston sets up with four-stakes and zero guy-lines. Although Simplicity-Sam used six-stakes, the door stakes are not structural and are optional. Can't help but notice Ridicule-Vestibule didn't open his peak-vents, as he complains about condensation? Bet he didn't crack-open his vestibule doors to get crossflow either? Would be surprised if Plagiarized-Enterprise didn't start selling those Chinese knockoff Xmids with his company's brand-name on them, since that's his normal MO?
I have the zpacks altaplex and often don't bother with guylines. The main one featured here is the zpacks offset tent.
@@janefreeman995 - And both tents are mentioned in the first sentence because the know-it-all-gnome heralded both as being simpler by showing video clips of each. Number of stakes was taken from the "simple" way the simpleton-charlatan setup those tents as shown. Thanks for the opportunity to do some more name-dropping.
If you want to stake out the vestibules on the Xmid it’s really six stakes minimum
@@kellycarlen9605 - Yes, and if one wants to pull out the sides, it requires 4-more, if one wants to pull-down the skirts, it's another 4-more and let's not forget the Apex pair? Zpacks sells those glue-on patches, so one could add dozens more tie-outs. And if one really wants to add those 22 extraneous tie-outs, then it's really 26-stakes minimum. The nice thing about Durston, is that only FOUR of those stakes are mandatory. This author rarely, if ever, uses more than four-stakes. If there was need to keep going in and out of the tent, then maybe. Spending days in the same location, maybe. Dog? Probably.
Tarptent DiPole 2.
The 2 looks like a palace. Just bought the 1. The head and foot windows were the selling point along with only 4 stakes to pitch! My slight OCD loves the symmetry so if I get in and decide to flip I can.
@@karenyoung9996
For me, it's the head and foot room. I am 6-ft-tall and I like to put my arms above my head and stretch out to sleep at home.
I have a Lanshan 2 with both the summer inner in the winter inner, and I love that tent, except that my quilt's foot box keeps getting damp by morning. I need an extra 6-inches of true clearance for the foot wall. That problem is eliminated by the Dipole.
I've only done a test night in the Dipole, and there was absolutely no condensation, even though there was a frost that morning.
If I have one complaint about the Dipole, it's that it is too airy in cold temperatures (20°F). It's more like a tarp in winter conditions than it is a tent. I wonder how it will do with drifting snow. I bought it as a tent for a hoped Appalachian Trail through-hike that was supposed to happen this year, but I got a serious injury two years ago that messed up my scheduling. I'm hoping to be able to do it next year. But I can't see using this tent in Georgia in the high mountains in the winter in March in a serious snowstorm.
I may have to do a switcheroo and mail a winter tent back home when I'm done with it and switch to the Dipole for the rest of the trip.
The same time I got the Dipole, I got a Slingfin Crossbow 2. That Is just barely suitable for an Everest base camp, but with a double wall structure that is reinforced two different ways and still weighs only a touch over 5 lb. I would probably use that in the beginning, despite that he weight. I would not have to leave the tent in blizzard conditions unless I was worried about trees falling on the tent. I would not have to spend time off the trail in a town.
I think Slingfin is going to become a huge name in tents as word gets out of its innovations. It reminds me of Tarptent for coming out with completely fresh ideas. They're just different ideas from Tarptent's.
I haven't even set that tent up yet. I live in Rhode Island and the soil has been saturated from one dumping of rain after another. It's turning into northern Florida up here.
I will be taking it on a two-night trip in Massachusetts on the AT very soon.
Good luck with your Dipole 1. That seems to be the best single-person tent available, IMO. I'm guessing you came to the same conclusion.
The Zpacks tent looks like a copy of the Gossamer Gear-The One.
Does anyone else notice that onX is missing a lot of trails that gaiagps includes?
Darwin 💙
Darwin: if you need to tension a line that doesn’t have a line, lock in it, cut it. Replace it with opposing taught line hitches.
Issue with both is they are WAAAY too expensive outside USA.
It seems that folks who use other trekking pole tents have *the hardest time* with Durstons, whereas those who haven't ever used them before do just fine. The theory of setup is just different. While you 'hang' all trekking pole tents, the Durston is one which benefits most from establishing a ridgeline parallel to the horizon, then letting the gap between the fly and ground vary as needed; this solves pitching issues as a whole.
I think the most absurd statement in this video is 'Darwin' stating that the Durston is more complex. I get the 'one pole' rule, but I can sleep in a Durston if I have a broken pole; you can't do that in a single pole tent unless you suspend it somehow. Literally 4 stakes is all you need, then run the trekking poles or Durston poles up. There's no walking around the tent multiple times to get the 6 guy out points correctly tensioned like the Zpacks (or any other single pole trekking pole tent). There's also two less stakes to drive, and if you want the same room inside, you'll have to put two more stakes into the pull-out points head, and toe, for a single pole tent.
The long and short of it is that this is another example of how people will resist change for the sake of resisting change. They'll very often just point to something, then completely dismantle their own argument by showing how they prefer their way that's clearly been fixed or improved by a new way/thing.
The zpacks cult will always have an issue with the xmid
There are way too many stakes and components required for the offset Duplex. The Durston needs half.
Cowboy camping and dew makes for soggy mornings.
Durstan all day.
Durston
@@dustyoldhat...Now, if they'd typed "Dur-stan all day"...lol
Having a nice and spacious tent is all nice and well, but if it takes 15 minutes to setup, it shouldn't cost what the X-Mid Pro costs. Light and simple is what I want.
Takes me less than 2 minutes to set up my durston xmid 2.
Durwin Durwin Durwin you’ve lost me forever you don’t think like an average backpacking guy that’s for sure
Dan Becker your money🤑🤑
Me likely👍
Personaly i dont care for single wall tents. I dont have the money to have multiple tents for multiple landscapes seasons climates. Give me a spacious 2 man with a tone of mesh, rain fly and 1 pole set up. That way i can enjoy the starts in bug zone or not protect from rain and keep condensation down way better, and maybe i have someone come with me or space for a dog.
Please someone find me the perfect tent in that description
Oops Durston
If we were a cult, never mind.