Bungie ain't that ambitious for interspecies, that would be something to see actually. Exos, Awoken and Eris Morn do not count as they still have the same human characteristics. It is rather intercultural than interspecies.
GReat video! One interesting thing with Mithraax and Luzaku is that Mihtraax came to be as a Fallen Captain the player could choose to spare on Titan when finding him battling a Hive Knight. Luzaku came to be known to us as a Hive Guardian sparing a Human Guardian. Fun dichotomy.
What I find fascinating about Luzaku is while some hive ghosts are shown to have various levels of reluctance to what the lucent hive are doing, Luzaku's ghost is pushing her towards that philosophy. And Luzaku is the first hive to reject that philosophy. It wasn't a matter of Luzaku being convinced by 'good' ghost to reject her ways. She had to realize she could make a choice by herself, and find the strength to make this choice when every voice was telling her she would fail. That's incredible perception and strength. I wonder if seeing a ghost so change their philosophy might have been the spark to think she could also change. Or if seeing how hive philosophy sounds in the voice of newly born fanatic made it sounds false to one who seen what that philosophy was in practice for so long.
I mean, not all ghosts are going to be like Ghost, Sundance or Targe. Some of them are just straight up assholes, like Immaru or Germaine's ghost, hell, by some perspective, Fynch not reviving his knight could be seen as him being a bad ghost, so seeing Luzaku's ghost being just another sword logic cultist isn't at all surprising.
Its interesting that oft time ghost and their lightbearers have complementary personalities bec they are opposing while some are complementary because they are generally in alignment. The ghost and guardian are in alignment so much so that he can simply speak on our behalf even accepting missions for us. While we see targe and zavala when zavala gets amped targe brings him back down, sagira and osiris where she is more like a redirector of the intense focus he wields.
oh that would be a genius way to bring it full circle. there are still so many scrapped concepts that could find their way into the game in a satisfying way
31:30 is REALLY interesting. bungie is definitely setting big things up with micah, crow and "speaker" aligned characters. one of the visions of the traveler for the khvostov quest - which is directly from the point of view of the traveler - addresses the speakers, includes crow and micah among them, and uses this exact phrase, this "waves lapping at a distant shore." the fact this exact phrase being used to describe her has now shown up not only from THE TRAVELER, but also from luzaku means that this is something we should keep an eye on going forward.
29:26 if Savathun wants Luzaku to deviate from her methods, she's actually doing a better job of being the LUCA for her kind than Clovis was for the Exos and the Bray family.
I've wanted to see friendly factions since we got the Steeplechase armor ornaments back in Season of the Hunt, very satisfied to see Hive allies coming alongside the Eliksni and Cabal
I'm glad you made this video because I'm super curious about Luzaku and I've only ever got the Glint interaction and I've done that lost sector 5 times.
I get that Ghosts are fallible, but now that we know for certain they're pieces of the Traveler it's even more interesting that there are Ghosts who believe in the sword logic.
Destiny has never felt more sci fi fantasy for me than when we meet Luzaku. I was just blown away by these moments and completely enraptured. I hope we see much more of this kind of connection in the future.
As cool as the thought is that Luzaku is the Hive equivalent to Misraaks, I think it's more going the way that Luzaku is the Hive equivalent of a 'Speaker' instead. It would be interesting to see Luzaku, Micah 10, and perhaps an Eliksni (Eido) all become speakers for their respective races, perhaps with a Cabal speaker to follow, after Caiatl gets her revenge against the Hive. It would be interesting to see a council of speakers determining the interactions for all the races going forward. Whether they end up in a single location, perhaps in the tower, or even in the HELM, it would be cool to get to see them up close and interact with them.
Is Luzaku going to be for the Pale Heart what that crazy Ship's A.I is on Nessus? An occasionally visited character that has bit parts to play in our Guardian's Journey?
I believe one reason Savathun is open to Luzaku choosing her own path and even allying with the Coalition cause it ensures a future for the Hive. If her plan works the hive lives, if it fails Luzaku will help ensure the hive lives on, ensuring her people live on regardless of who wins. Of course i could be wrong and there is something more going on, but I feel like given how she has been, this fits well with her motives.
Honestly, I was scared for Luzaku that Savathun might be angry and would try to hunt for her. But it seems Savathun wanted Luzaku to be this way. Prop to the writer for making such character development.
i do hope they add more characters like this for the other factions so we have more than one or two faction representatives that we can interact with, also i think theres a mara sov interaction too
The overall story of destiny reminds me of the Divine Conspiracy (song) The concept that guides the songs is that God created many different religions for humanity to figure out and overcome them so as to discover that, in nature and essence, they were all in fact the same one (hence the name, "The Divine Conspiracy")
Would be cool if Gotra returned as a Lucent Hive and became friendly with us. For those who don't know, Gotra is the "that wizard came from the moon" wizard.
I’m intrigued at Luzaku’s voice. I can’t find who the VA is, but they way they speak is extra similar to they way GrnEyedMusicLvr voiced Dûl Incaru in reading Truth to Power.
If anyone hurts Luzaku, the Smollen or the Warbeast Pups I will go full Torabatal on the Sol System and then on myself. They are all too precious to harm.
I just now realized something - The Witness saw the Proto-Hive as a legitimate threat/challenge. Why else would a being capable of subjugating the Worm Gods and challenging the Traveler on equal footing resort to deception?
The thing is I don’t believe it was really Sundance that Cayde spoke to. She says “I’m what you wanted me to be.” Meaning because Cayde imagined having Sundance there that’s the image this entity took on. I believe he was actually speaking to the traveler using Sundance’s image to speak to him.
Interesting dynamic between Luzaku and Savathûn as there is between Petra Venj and Mara Sov. Still beholden to their queen, but that relationship isn’t reciprocated by the former. Luzaku will replace Savathûn and gain her army.
No Myelin, the Traveler is NOT the Gardiner, but is perhaps an "Expression" of the Gardener. As much as the Witness is an "Expression" of the Winnower, though I do disagree that the Winnower has no control over the 'cuts' of the First Knife. The Witness claimed autonomy over the means of 'carving', but I ask you, if the Witness was the First Knife in the Winnower's hand, how then does he have control over the use of the blade? It's not his hands doing the whittling, choosing the direction of the cut, the depth of the carve. Perhaps the same is true for the Traveler, it is free to give the 'gift' of the light, and those so inspired to create what they did during the Golden Age, but not free to speak, to offer direction, to guide in the use of the 'gifts' it confers to those it 'chooses'???
I am interested where this whole the traveler is not the Gardner has come from. This something that the lore community has just decided they don't like anymore. The precursor people call it the gardener, and the unveiling lore book was fabricated (likely by the witness).
@@MyelinGames Nacre ship lore that just dropped on Tuesday. It seems to come from the same author as Unveiling and it's clearly not The Witness, so people are taking it as confirmation about The Winnower and the story told in Unveiling.
@@MyelinGames If we accept that both the Gardiner and Winnower are Primordial Forces, that for untold eons played their "Flower Game" where existence has ebbed and flowed but never made 'real' until the Gardiner changed "the rules", and thus the first 'conflict' between the Gardiner and Winnower brought the Universe into being, (And as a side effect also brought THEM into "the game") then within the Universe BOTH would remain of a higher Order, a higher plane of existence, and the universe would remain their playing field. Stands to reason then, that both would have 'proxies' who would excersize something of their 'powers'. Thus the Traveler and the Veil. And both of these would have their "servants" for want of a better term. The Traveler would have (eventually) the Guardians (I am not ignoring all those species 'raised up' by the Light of the Traveler) And the Veil would have the Witness (and all those whom the Witness 'saved via Salvation' I am not ignoring either. in any case, the Lore from the Final Shape reveals to us that the Witness is not the Winnower (and I do take issue with assuming the Title "First Knife") and it also reveals that the Traveler is not the Gardiner, by virtue of it's silence, the reasons FOR that silence and it's suffering, and means of healing. As the Gardiner and the Winnower are beings of equal power the relative 'weaknesses' of both the Traveler and the Witness reveal the truth. Incidentally, strange that in the Final Shape, we hear no more of the Veil (so far) I think the Veil has more to do with the Winnower, and is itself more likely to be that First Knife than the Witness ever was. That's my tuppence worth Myelin, sorry it's this long. Respectfully your, R
I understand what you are saying, what I disagree with is you saying "the Traveler is NOT the Gardener". Yes, the Gardener and the Winnower are spoken about as primordial forces, specifically in the Unveiled lore book, but that book and that language we have already been told to not trust. Colloquially, in the Destiny universe many characters refer to the Traveler as the Gardener, because of its ability to grow and terraform. Which is why in this context, with Luzaku inside the Traveler, and saying that they felt the call of the Gardener to this location, it made sense to say "most people think of the Gardener as the Traveler".
Lets be honest here, knowing how Bungie operates theyll probably have her get killed by Savathun towards the ending of the Heresy episode just so we hate her again
Knowing the Internet, Luzaku is already a waifu as we speak.
Rule 34 😂
100%
Bungie ain't that ambitious for interspecies, that would be something to see actually. Exos, Awoken and Eris Morn do not count as they still have the same human characteristics. It is rather intercultural than interspecies.
@@Dead8Headforsaken had a dreg baron who married a wizard. Also tolland and Eir yût
I mean if people would lust for a little savathussy then it's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when
I fking love the taunting grandmother energy Savathûn gives off in this
BTW the segment with Crow and Luzaku seems to be broken. The timer runs but you're frozen for several seconds
I noticed the same thing! 22:33
Sames
Freaked me out for a sec
He's sleeping
Same here
Luzaku is an awesome character. The way she talks is so soothing and wise after all the fighting during the sector.
To be honest Luzaku was one of the coolest and best surprise lore in final shape. Thanks for covering anf going throug it.
Love Luzaku, huge fan of her character. This one cannot wait to see where she goes.
GReat video! One interesting thing with Mithraax and Luzaku is that Mihtraax came to be as a Fallen Captain the player could choose to spare on Titan when finding him battling a Hive Knight. Luzaku came to be known to us as a Hive Guardian sparing a Human Guardian. Fun dichotomy.
my brethren in Light. This is one to cherish.
What I find fascinating about Luzaku is while some hive ghosts are shown to have various levels of reluctance to what the lucent hive are doing, Luzaku's ghost is pushing her towards that philosophy. And Luzaku is the first hive to reject that philosophy.
It wasn't a matter of Luzaku being convinced by 'good' ghost to reject her ways. She had to realize she could make a choice by herself, and find the strength to make this choice when every voice was telling her she would fail. That's incredible perception and strength.
I wonder if seeing a ghost so change their philosophy might have been the spark to think she could also change. Or if seeing how hive philosophy sounds in the voice of newly born fanatic made it sounds false to one who seen what that philosophy was in practice for so long.
Her ghost was the ghost equivalent of a weeb for the hive logic and she decided she had to get away from it lmao.
@@Kjf365 I hope Luzaku and Fynch get to chat at some point.
I mean, not all ghosts are going to be like Ghost, Sundance or Targe. Some of them are just straight up assholes, like Immaru or Germaine's ghost, hell, by some perspective, Fynch not reviving his knight could be seen as him being a bad ghost, so seeing Luzaku's ghost being just another sword logic cultist isn't at all surprising.
Her ghost is such an overdramatic ass.
Its interesting that oft time ghost and their lightbearers have complementary personalities bec they are opposing while some are complementary because they are generally in alignment. The ghost and guardian are in alignment so much so that he can simply speak on our behalf even accepting missions for us. While we see targe and zavala when zavala gets amped targe brings him back down, sagira and osiris where she is more like a redirector of the intense focus he wields.
Meanwhile, our Ghost often acts as our voice as we focus on the task at hand.
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Ive been thinking it for awhile, but i really believe the friendly Hive are going to evolve into the Butterfly/Moth aliens from the old concept art.
oh that would be a genius way to bring it full circle. there are still so many scrapped concepts that could find their way into the game in a satisfying way
31:30 is REALLY interesting. bungie is definitely setting big things up with micah, crow and "speaker" aligned characters. one of the visions of the traveler for the khvostov quest - which is directly from the point of view of the traveler - addresses the speakers, includes crow and micah among them, and uses this exact phrase, this "waves lapping at a distant shore." the fact this exact phrase being used to describe her has now shown up not only from THE TRAVELER, but also from luzaku means that this is something we should keep an eye on going forward.
29:26 if Savathun wants Luzaku to deviate from her methods, she's actually doing a better job of being the LUCA for her kind than Clovis was for the Exos and the Bray family.
I've wanted to see friendly factions since we got the Steeplechase armor ornaments back in Season of the Hunt, very satisfied to see Hive allies coming alongside the Eliksni and Cabal
Hive Ally*
Perhaps The Final Shape is the friends we made we made along the way.
Forget Savathun!!! Luzaku is my Witch Queen 🥰
Eris is still my favorite hive-adjacent lady but they picked a good VA for Luzaku for sure
@@xXx_Regulus_xXxKirsten Potter. The same VA for Mara Sov.
Luzaku.
Glad you're still doing Destiny lore vids!
THIS ONE IS LUZAKU.
like damn, ok
Luzaku new best frend
I'm glad you made this video because I'm super curious about Luzaku and I've only ever got the Glint interaction and I've done that lost sector 5 times.
I get that Ghosts are fallible, but now that we know for certain they're pieces of the Traveler it's even more interesting that there are Ghosts who believe in the sword logic.
It’s because despite their connection to The Traveler they are free of will and can develop their own ideas.
Choice. It always lets Guardians choose. I suppose it only makes sense that Ghosts are granted free will similarly.
Gigas
Myelin, you need to be sponsored by Bungie somehow. Watching your lore videos helps me understand and appreciate the game a lot more. So thank you.
22:35 the video somewhat freezes here
Can confirm. Thought my video was still buffering.
And seems to remain frozen until around 23:10 or so.
Same
Same.
Really cool thing, I’m glad they did all the different interactions and dialogues. Hope we see it grow and show up more in the future
This was the most interesting part of the campaign to me, no shade to the rest.
Great video, Myelin! Love that you included all the conversations Luzaku had with the Witness’s foes.
Destiny has never felt more sci fi fantasy for me than when we meet Luzaku. I was just blown away by these moments and completely enraptured. I hope we see much more of this kind of connection in the future.
As cool as the thought is that Luzaku is the Hive equivalent to Misraaks, I think it's more going the way that Luzaku is the Hive equivalent of a 'Speaker' instead. It would be interesting to see Luzaku, Micah 10, and perhaps an Eliksni (Eido) all become speakers for their respective races, perhaps with a Cabal speaker to follow, after Caiatl gets her revenge against the Hive.
It would be interesting to see a council of speakers determining the interactions for all the races going forward. Whether they end up in a single location, perhaps in the tower, or even in the HELM, it would be cool to get to see them up close and interact with them.
round 22:30 the audio, and video seem to freeze and cut out
Thanks for another excellent video Papa!
More vids like this brother, your insight is the best in the lore community.
Luzaku, my beloved!
Luzaku is Friend. I wanna team up with Lucent Hive SO BAD
hopefully Frontiers or D3 gives us NPC squadmates. either that or playable aliens
She has quickly become one of favorite characters in Destiny.
Is Luzaku going to be for the Pale Heart what that crazy Ship's A.I is on Nessus? An occasionally visited character that has bit parts to play in our Guardian's Journey?
Wormgods worked using multi-level marketing 😂
GIRTHY lore episode let's go
Love that thumbnail 😂
great great video, loving enjoying the lore more better understanding
I wish (NO! BAD RIVEN!) that we could've seen Luzaku and Eris interact... 😩
That thumbnail tho 😂💀
BUUUUUUUUUNGIEEEEEEEEEE!!!
GIVE LUZAKU TANIKS-LEVEL PLOT ARMOR!!!
And my life... Is yours!
The Ergo Sum lore tab is something I'm curious about, I can see somethings but there are things less understood
Your content is so good ! Thank you.
I believe one reason Savathun is open to Luzaku choosing her own path and even allying with the Coalition cause it ensures a future for the Hive. If her plan works the hive lives, if it fails Luzaku will help ensure the hive lives on, ensuring her people live on regardless of who wins. Of course i could be wrong and there is something more going on, but I feel like given how she has been, this fits well with her motives.
Great video Myelin!
lmfao familys asleep and here's me nearly bursting art the sides from luzaku getting roasted
Luzaku: The Sky greets you.
Myelin lore is the superior lore ❤️
I feel like Euloch would've gotten along better with Fynch's Guardian
Good stuff great video, much appreciated
Sick character building tbh❤️
Honestly, I was scared for Luzaku that Savathun might be angry and would try to hunt for her. But it seems Savathun wanted Luzaku to be this way. Prop to the writer for making such character development.
It's beautiful how she literally tells her "You are my favorite child"
People with teratophilia be like, " I see this as an absolute win."
I'm not complaining
i do hope they add more characters like this for the other factions so we have more than one or two faction representatives that we can interact with, also i think theres a mara sov interaction too
Luzaku, most interesting plot point or character in the dlc.
Cheers to Destiny Lore Vault.
Right off the bat, a vision of fundement.
Luzaku is the first Hive speaker.
more like a listener, she's studying the pale heart
The overall story of destiny reminds me of the Divine Conspiracy (song) The concept that guides the songs is that God created many different religions for humanity to figure out and overcome them so as to discover that, in nature and essence, they were all in fact the same one (hence the name, "The Divine Conspiracy")
What if vex are creations/manifestations of the gardener? They terraform just like the traveler. Radiolaria looks like light
Walk in the Sky, Myelin
Less than a minute, LETS GO
This one can crush my Ghost any day 💜
well in my opinion she doesnt mention death bc she dies (sundance) almost like a hidden meaning. so in turn her dying was the final guardian tenant.
Hive ghosts sure make it enjoyable to crush them lol
Imagine enough hive guardians we see a hive vanguard, or maybe a sub section just for them.
Lucy is my adopted baby sister I found surviving in the wild and working for Savathun. I visit her once a week.
We must protect Lucy!
Would be cool if Gotra returned as a Lucent Hive and became friendly with us. For those who don't know, Gotra is the "that wizard came from the moon" wizard.
I’m intrigued at Luzaku’s voice. I can’t find who the VA is, but they way they speak is extra similar to they way GrnEyedMusicLvr voiced Dûl Incaru in reading Truth to Power.
This one is the goat
Luzaku for Witch Queen!
If anyone hurts Luzaku, the Smollen or the Warbeast Pups I will go full Torabatal on the Sol System and then on myself. They are all too precious to harm.
Luzaku is dope
But who’s best girl? Luzaku or Failsafe?
BOTH!
I just now realized something - The Witness saw the Proto-Hive as a legitimate threat/challenge. Why else would a being capable of subjugating the Worm Gods and challenging the Traveler on equal footing resort to deception?
The thing is I don’t believe it was really Sundance that Cayde spoke to. She says “I’m what you wanted me to be.” Meaning because Cayde imagined having Sundance there that’s the image this entity took on. I believe he was actually speaking to the traveler using Sundance’s image to speak to him.
Luzaku 💙
Based Immaru 12:00
Interesting dynamic between Luzaku and Savathûn as there is between Petra Venj and Mara Sov. Still beholden to their queen, but that relationship isn’t reciprocated by the former. Luzaku will replace Savathûn and gain her army.
Luzaku and Mithrax ❤
No Myelin, the Traveler is NOT the Gardiner, but is perhaps an "Expression" of the Gardener. As much as the Witness is an "Expression" of the Winnower, though I do disagree that the Winnower has no control over the 'cuts' of the First Knife. The Witness claimed autonomy over the means of 'carving', but I ask you, if the Witness was the First Knife in the Winnower's hand, how then does he have control over the use of the blade? It's not his hands doing the whittling, choosing the direction of the cut, the depth of the carve. Perhaps the same is true for the Traveler, it is free to give the 'gift' of the light, and those so inspired to create what they did during the Golden Age, but not free to speak, to offer direction, to guide in the use of the 'gifts' it confers to those it 'chooses'???
I am interested where this whole the traveler is not the Gardner has come from. This something that the lore community has just decided they don't like anymore. The precursor people call it the gardener, and the unveiling lore book was fabricated (likely by the witness).
@@MyelinGames Nacre ship lore that just dropped on Tuesday. It seems to come from the same author as Unveiling and it's clearly not The Witness, so people are taking it as confirmation about The Winnower and the story told in Unveiling.
@@Bsketches rightio. I havent read through all the new stuff yet.
@@MyelinGames If we accept that both the Gardiner and Winnower are Primordial Forces, that for untold eons played their "Flower Game" where existence has ebbed and flowed but never made 'real' until the Gardiner changed "the rules", and thus the first 'conflict' between the Gardiner and Winnower brought the Universe into being, (And as a side effect also brought THEM into "the game") then within the Universe BOTH would remain of a higher Order, a higher plane of existence, and the universe would remain their playing field. Stands to reason then, that both would have 'proxies' who would excersize something of their 'powers'. Thus the Traveler and the Veil. And both of these would have their "servants" for want of a better term. The Traveler would have (eventually) the Guardians (I am not ignoring all those species 'raised up' by the Light of the Traveler) And the Veil would have the Witness (and all those whom the Witness 'saved via Salvation' I am not ignoring either.
in any case, the Lore from the Final Shape reveals to us that the Witness is not the Winnower (and I do take issue with assuming the Title "First Knife") and it also reveals that the Traveler is not the Gardiner, by virtue of it's silence, the reasons FOR that silence and it's suffering, and means of healing. As the Gardiner and the Winnower are beings of equal power the relative 'weaknesses' of both the Traveler and the Witness reveal the truth.
Incidentally, strange that in the Final Shape, we hear no more of the Veil (so far)
I think the Veil has more to do with the Winnower, and is itself more likely to be that First Knife than the Witness ever was.
That's my tuppence worth Myelin, sorry it's this long. Respectfully your, R
I understand what you are saying, what I disagree with is you saying "the Traveler is NOT the Gardener". Yes, the Gardener and the Winnower are spoken about as primordial forces, specifically in the Unveiled lore book, but that book and that language we have already been told to not trust. Colloquially, in the Destiny universe many characters refer to the Traveler as the Gardener, because of its ability to grow and terraform. Which is why in this context, with Luzaku inside the Traveler, and saying that they felt the call of the Gardener to this location, it made sense to say "most people think of the Gardener as the Traveler".
Luzaku!
The thumbnail lol
Let's help Lakazu overthrow Savathun and take control of the Lucent Hive, let's crush Immaru for real this time
luzaka brood join s us in combat when
Luzaku = Hive Waifu
Lu do be zaku-ing
As they say
Myelin!!!
Luzaku can get it.
Step on me, Luzaku
step on you? she ain't got no feet 😭
LUZAKU!!!!!!!!
Luzaku’s cool and all but the fan boy in me wishes a ghost would have rezzed Omnigul. Imagine us fighting alongside her
If Luzaku can evolve overtime, does that mean she can become a “deathsinger?” Curious
Bruh I didn't know that the Lucent Ghosts Joined the Lucent Hive because they pitied their species' history. The light provides.
Lets be honest here, knowing how Bungie operates theyll probably have her get killed by Savathun towards the ending of the Heresy episode just so we hate her again
Luzaku
Waifu Luzaku
Im still sus of Luzaku as if im not mistaken it sounds like the same voice actor as Savathun so it could be just another trick.
Luzaku.