Failsafe at the end of Act 1 is all like, “they hurt my friend so now it’s time to get serious!” Yeah we’re gonna get serious, we’re gonna get more samples, but really angrily.
I misss the old Vex aesthetics from D1. There was something so mystical about it. Especially the black garden aesthetics. The modern aesthetics for the vex seem like a cliche matrix, or a random pixel game like geometry dash.
D1s design was peak destiny and I'll stand by that forever. D2 feels like a fortnitified flashing lights fest at times, and the armour and designs kinda suck in comparison.
@@gargathulothhastur4981it’s commonly theorized that the Vex were Thee antagonist due to their hidden agenda My guess is the vex were the darkness or what was left of it the black garden is where the dark heart is located not to mention their entire objective is to consume, change, and exterminate anything going against their vision (sounds familiar like how d1 darkness was described as aye?) the ships are clearly meant to be Vex designed so as why they decided to do universal I’ll never know The vex were/are the true antagonists and its infuriating bungie decided to refuse using them for a smoke head puppy eyes as the antagonist. Did I forget to mention even the vex can infect hive throne worlds? Ya know where hive gods go to regenerate and can never be truly killed unless they die in there? Yeah they were clearly teasing the vex to be the ultimate antagonist but cop out when they were gonna be front and centre
Echoes are just seasons with more time gates. Also, the teams working on seasons are not the expansion teams. Let’s get that distinction clear here because Bungie absolutely nailed TFS.
But they should borrow traits that make the campaign good, since it's now the new story and game progression for the next year. Not a reduction in quantity and quality through even more drip.
I don't think there's anyone who is seriously saying TFS was in any way bad or such. If anything TFS was so damn good they're now suffering from the success of it as the come down from an amazing expansion to a middling seasonal story is even more drastic.
@MonsieurAuContraire The Final Shape was fun, but the story was more of the same from Bungie. The guardian does everything while the characters pretend we don't exist. Of all the revelations in the main campaign, only 2 of them are new and 1 of them is immediately glossed over. The most interesting dialogue takes place comes from Micah during OLD story missions. Certainly better than lightfall, but not as good as Witch Queen. Probably on par with Forsaken.
I think the mini campaign per act makes sense. 3 story missions in a row, a beginning middle and end with a teaser to the next act. Let the activities drop your mcguffin to upgrade failsafe and have a separate upgrade path for her alone. You’re right, story and grind needs to separate.
I suggest adding new difficulty settings that ramp from week to week. A mini campaign with 3 missions each act and every week those 3 missions go up in difficulty…. Maybe add a leaderboard to make it fun
Two things come to mind "drip fed" and "life support". So who is ready for more seas... i mean episo... i mean a future of frontiers... Nailed it in one. Take care Myelin, great as always my man. Peace
I think what’s funny is that an episode fits inside an act, 6 missions -> 6 weeks. Act 1 had 2 weeks with missions and 1 worthless filler week, I predict that acts 2 and 3 will be the same.
I was hoping against hope that they would drop the whole episode at once and we'd be able to play the whole thing at our own pace. Bungo got me again. Edited for spelling error
Yes sir. A lot of ups and downs on this 10 year “journey”. Turns out the final shape wasn’t all that final 💀. Naw we beat the darkness. I’m good. I’m done with d2. I’ll see y’all in d3
Oh me too. I wouldn’t have even purchased Echoes. Little stinky of bungie to price TFS at $60 ($70 Canadian after taxes) and attach an episode rather than make it like $45-$50 and selling seperate.
To be honest I wish I would have just bought the expansion alone and quit at the end after finishing up Pale Heart. The annual pass was a total waste of money as it's clear it's still going to be the same soulless boring grind every episode. I don't care how cool they make Fallen vampires look, I'm guessing that episode will be the same boring nonsense.
For me you nailed exactly my thoughts with your suggestions at the end of your critique. A mini campaign to begin each Act would allow me to actually enjoy the whole story as it unfolds in action, moreso because the current format means i won't get to engage with the end mission we had this week because i simply refuse to go through all the pointless grind in between. I would be more than happy spending an hour or so running a small campaign and then stepping away for a few weeks till the next one. Instead though i have had to watch a content creator's gameplay of the Act 1 end mission so that i at least get to experience it. We all engage with games in our own ways. No way is right or wrong. For 10 years i have enjoyed Destiny by literally opting to play the content i find to be fun. Yes i miss out on a lot but at least it also allows me time to enjoy more of a variety of games. I am an old gamer too, older than you good sir, so i really don't need mindless grinds just to force up the numbers and make it look like consistent player engagement. And don't get me wrong, i am not running down Bungie. Yes they disappoint me at times but they deserve credit for their passion and creativity. It's just a shame their formatting is lacking the motivation for me to engage regularly.
I'm glad I didn't buy the Annual Pass cause episodes look really bad so far. They just divided a season worth of content into 3 acts and time gated the already time gated content then bloated it to last 120 days.
That last mission was pretty good, a bit longer and it could be a strike. The changes to the destination in the mission were really cool Act 2 really needs to add all the changes to the Patrol Space.
This absolutely represents how I feel. I was so bummed immediately after running the first seasonal event and realizing nothing had changed. Literally haven’t played since, it was so demotivating.
edit I mathed wrong, fixed it One thing I've pointed out is that if this is the model, 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off, we are only going to get 27 story weeks, while the 4 seasons, usually around 8 missions, would be 32. They aren't telling more story, they are telling much less
@@DaitoFoundry 8(missions)x4(seasons) is 32 3(acts) x 3(missions per act) x 3(episodes) is (3x3)x3 is 27 So either way we’re getting less, OP’s math is just terrible and I don’t know how he knows how to read.
@@gagekellstrom3978 I'd argue that there's a quantity vs quality thing here. We got 8 weeks of story each season, but how many of those weeks were substantive? The number of seasons that were jam-packed with story for all 8 of those weeks are few and far between, really only Haunted comes to mind. Conversely, this act, conservatively 2 out of the 3 weeks had substantive story. I appreciate a tighter and more focused story, I think the format we had before was quite meandering and often full of fluff.
Crazy plot twist: we, the guardian who came out of the corridors of time, is ALSO NOT the original guardian that went in. Saint’s crisis people can brush off. But when the Conductor reveals OUR TRUTH? now stuff gets real.
Idk why people are upset about saint As a lore nerd I also have said what if saint isn’t “real” I mean come on if you found out ur from a different timeline and the version of you that is from this timeline was dead you probably feel some type of way too People just don’t or can’t relate to characters
@@SepticEmpirehe's a robot copy of a golden age person that has been reset 14 times before he got reset by a ghost into an undead paracausal being. If he was worried about being a copy that ship sailed 1000 years ago.
@@meateaw he probably went through it back then too Idk if saint remember his pre exo self since becoming a guardian but this time is different This is him from a different timeline I image he was shown his grave (the one we see in curse of Osiris) then told he’s a fake he shouldn’t exist and that Osiris doesn’t love him and only love him because the real one is dead and he’s just the replacement If that happens to you I’m sure you’d go crazy like he did
When they first pitched Episodes to the community I thought it was going to be like the mini-campaign idea you had, as soon as I did the first week's quest I went "oh, so we're doing the same thing as before, great..." I do hope that act 2 and 3 will pick up the pace a bit, maybe they've intentionally kept the story light so people can focus on The Final Shape's campaign, but I don't have a lot of confidence.
Honestly this is about what I expected from this episode. I think and hope that the next episodes will be larger and better, but obviously we cannot know for sure. Overall this is simply not a surprise
I dont have high hopes for the rest of this episode considering there will only be 3 weeks of story for each act. Hopefully episode 2 will be better but only time will tell
Act 1 was, "Wow, the Vex are acting really weird aren't they? Man it's just so weird what the Vex are doing. The Vex are up to something big! Isn't it cool that nessus looks a little different now? Uh oh. Saint is having a mental health crisis. Looks like we'll just leave him alone for a while with his turbulent emotions and new sense of vulnerability after getting mind controlled. I hope that doesn't do any damage to hik while we wait for Act 2 :smile:" I hate how many times an NPC says, "The Vex are acting weird" or "The Vex are up to something big." Classic tell don't show
My thoughts of act 1 is that we got 2 missions in 3 weeks. Week 1 we had an opening mission and a cutscene to setup the story, Week 2 was go collect data and come back next week, the third and final week had a mission that kicked the story into gear only to tell us to wait till act 2. There is no point waiting for acts 2 and 3 to judge the episodical model because we can look at the game and the triumphs. it’s 9 quest steps, 3 weeks each act. It’s not changing in acts 2 and 3. We all got caught out with episodes because during the showcase they told us that seasons would be a “new way of content delivery”. We were told 3 major story beats 6 weeks apart. Bungie told us episodes would be different and we foolishly believed them. We have no community management team (well dmg is back but idk if that will change the community involvement). We now have a new Game Director and Joe Blackburn was the lead when the changes to seasons were announced. He listened to the community yet I have heard not a word from the new guy. A side note I have figured out is that as a traditional season echos would slap hard, a typical season length is 12 weeks and the quests last around 6 to 7 weeks. Take act 1 had a story mission in week 1 and 3. Do the math and you get 6 missions. We are getting 6 story missions total which means as a season we would have zero filler
“We are due for a bad expansion” is insane but so real To add, I absolutely love the idea of the mini mission. Maybe a 40-60min mission. Legendary or heroic. Where its act 1 start to finish. Love the idea of the little tid bits of lore linked to activities.
100% your suggestions are right on. I've played since alpha, back on ps3 (now on PC) and I dont have the time to grind anymore , but I want to finish the story . So your idea of a mini campaign is great. As I'm typing this message I have only had time to do the first mission of the episode and I watch your videos so I dont miss the story because sometimes I dont have time to grind for the story... thanks...
With the scattered holograms around Nessus, I was actually hoping Ashur had made a return, given how Sloan had come back in Season Of The Deep. Maya is great because she's someone who's popped up is the lore here and there enough to spark warranted curiosity, where this is now a worthwhile story beat to explore.
I wish that acts where just destination rework. With a new exotic mission reworked strikes, a loot refresh, and a small campaign to go with it. As well as changing up the destination. Like what we are seeing with nesses.
I thought, when they announced Episodes, that we would get the whole act worth of story at the start of each act. Like what you're said. I was so disappointed when I finished the first week story and had to wait for the next week.
Respect to the end bit: the lore that’s coming is great and I understand others importance of continuing to share that knowledge with the community. I do appreciate your feedback in addition. I’m having a decent time with the gameplay loop. The concern I’ve felt is the grind of storytelling like you mentioned 😂
Did you notice that they got the Failsafe dialogue colours wrong? When shes her cynical persona her colours are supposed to be red, while when shes talking like a nice "person" her colours are supposed to be yellow/golden.
On one end I think something like the lost ghosts quest line would be a great addition to seaso- ahem, episodic content. Strikes, campaign missions, and adventures brought back and slightly edited, with fresh dialogue and a side objective. I even feel like they did a okay job at writing around the elephant in the room of it being enemies and locations from an older time in the game (although I doubt these mysteries will every see a conslusion). However, even all of those were something I managed to grind through in an evening, and if I didn’t have time off, would maybe have taken only 2 or 3 nights. The fact is I don’t know how they can design content that we won’t just blitz through, especially if they know it’s going to expire at some point. The problem is seasonal/episodic content that’s on a conveyor isn’t given enough room. I think of the long, and occasionally grindy quests from black armory, opulence etc. that they don’t do any more because people complained about said grind, leading to this shallow-but-infinite content style that doesn’t have an incentive at the end.
Its great to hear an honest review! So many of the streamers clearly are on Bungie's D and can't say anything negative or they dont get access or something.
i definitely feel your pain man. i had to tap out of destiny a while back, i only keep tabs on it through creators like you (for whom i am very grateful). i honestly wish destiny was more similar in release style/cadence to halo. i'd rather watch a movie than a soap opera - i'd rather come back, sink my teeth into a meaty, meaningful, dense, well-executed, complete story chapter once a year (or even less often) than try to maintain interest in a constant slow drip forever. i can't handle the pointless repetitive grind (not to mention the million different currencies/materials/upgrade doodads and inventory management). there's SO much i love about this game, but i didn't feel like it respected or rewarded my time investment often enough and i had to get out.
your suggestion is a great idea. the way it should work is that at the beginning of a season a single campaign mission drops. it tells a complete act. 45 minute campaign style mission. then once you beat the mission you get the "well now we have to collect the data while we wait for the next mission" as an excuse to do the seasonal/episodic activity over and over. rinse and repeat until the next mission drops. etc.
I genuinely regret getting the year pass.. as always I appreciate your passion, man. Hope they can change things around, with Final Shape out of the way I was so hopeful for the future
Kinda unrelated but i feel like these episodes are just here to build background / lore for the new saga: new frontiers. My theory is maya will be the main villian in her own expansion, hopefully in the vex home world. Revenant will set up lore for an expansion based on fikural, hopefully in riis and heresy will hopefully do the same for xivu and her expansion in her war moon or torobotl
My *hope* is that this particular “Episode” was originally developed under the Season model, that the model was changed to allow a better structure for subsequent Episodes, and that Episode One is therefore essentially a Season that was shoehorned into this three-Act system that might be better implemented for future Episodes. I say “hope” because even though that would mean this particular Episode is just going to feel like a Season all the way through, it’s a halfway plausible explanation for how future Episodes might be substantially different. (I’m also aware this is not an ideal hope. It’s merely the best one I can imagine that might actually be true.)
First : love your video and appreciate your point of view and saying what's-what out loud. If nobody talks, reacts, criticizes, nothing changes. But it is Bungie, like always. Not saying everything. Saying just enough to keep you. (prismatic, class items) Then, it's a round of "we're listening" and the community goes crazy and applauds when a little change is made, like surges removed. There's a duality in this community. We have to point out the mistakes and yes, preferencial treatments. Prismatic class items in Dual Destiny is a mistake. Oh, but the big guns says "get good", so it's ok then. No, it's not! That "act 1 is over" after 3 weeks is a slap in the face.
Bind yourself to the shield. Bind yourself to me. And if you abandon your purpose, let the Vault consume you, as it consumed me.” -Kabr Keep this kind of content up and speak your mind, it’s why I sub!
A mini campaign, fill the story with missions that are unique, not necessarily expansive, but different and not samey. Then add special dialogue to seasonal acitvity aswell as loot to enhance the story.
The corridors of time is a strange one. Remember this, the corridors was a time machine that used paracausal energy. Paeacausal means without causation. He IS our Saint, he is a saint that breaks causality, we saved the original AND our original died. Sadly the writers of this season forgot the whole fucking premise of guardians and using paracausal energy for our time machine. Thr vex can do causal time travel, ie time travel that has impacts in causal time (eg. butterfly effect time travel). But the time machine we used was paracausal time travel. We can break causality with our time machine because it was designed to do that.
It wasnt Saint speaking , it was Maya, little by little becoming the new witness by fusioning all her copies in the vexnet and her mind clones produce by the veil
This episode imo should involve Clovis and the black garden too. A raid refresh would have been a great addition. There should be changes to the major vex gates in game to depict this internal struggle between the main vex and Ishtar vex for gate control. A good time to bring back a newly recompiled Panoptis and a battle through the infinite forest to showcase the Curse of Osiris linked plot and our lost vendor. We need a thicker story in episodes not bare bones.
If she doesn't get an Exo body in this episode, i bet she will after Bungie sees how well people are receiving her now compared to her original debut. I get the feeling that something is going to happen to either Devrim or Hawthorne to build up a story with the remaining one.
I think the Act for the Episodes will turn out better gameplay wise because you get new activities and new rewards in each Act. Also I believe Maya is the false lead. I think she has something to do with everything but right before Witch Queen Bungie added a Lore Tab to one Future War Cult Gun; The Number and I believe that Lore Tab has something to do with our new enemy: The Paracausal Entity Riley
Do you think because of the focus of Final Shape they had to import the old season model for the first episode and the following Episodes will be diffrent?
I mean it kinda seems like it considering we're getting the dreadnought back. We didn't get any new destination with echoes but I could see Bungie lumping in the pale heart with it. I think most people are still farming their exotic class items and doing stuff in the pale heart. A new destination every episode would be ideal.
That's the hope. But others point out the season team and campaign team are separate. My guess is the delay probably put all hands on deck to make Final Shape as good as it is, but they're also probably finishing up or finished Episode 2. It's not likely Episode 2 will be any different.
I hope, maybe as a side quest between weekly mission, we get to Upgrade failsafes weapons, and maybe use her like Strategems from helldivers in the weekly activity, after we deposit those data blocks and stuff.
When I saw Episodes would be split into "Acts", I thought of the system of the same name Genshin Impact uses for its' main story. That act structure is similar to what Myelin suggested of a "mini Campaign", where (for example, in the most recent Genshin main storyline) a patch releases with Act I and II, that would be a long-ish introduction to the story. Then a month later Act III and IV drops, then the final Act V (which culminates everything and is usually as long as two of the earlier Acts) the month after. All that and keep in mind there is no seasonal grind to get to the story, it's contained like a campaign from start to finish. It could work for Destiny and I thought a system of that sort was what Acts were going to be but instead it's just longer seasons with a different name. Really sucks
I'm a player that doesn't enjoy grinding for loot in the game. I do log in to do the story, finishing objectives within reason of my ability, and a few weeklies till I hit cap. The main reason I do log in weekly is the story. I can't get behind the idea of one mission every act, there really wouldn't be much to log in for at that point. I truly would rather have the narrative be better interwoven in the activities we are doing. Big lore points should be near impossible to miss. I, admittedly, completely forgot about Maya, and the conductor because it felt like an out of the way extra tidbit. I never registered "the conductor" as something I should remember, and the drop of it was like a creak in a floorboard compared to actually having a character say something to the effect of "didn't Sunderesh say something about a conductor, is she involved?". Or finish each week, and have better lead up, "oh this data packet we decoded is logs of osiris travelling into the infinite forest, why did they want this?' or "weird the vex net packet here has ishtar signature code, and some data on the founding of neomuna?"
If they wanted to believably launch into this trouble in paradise trope so soon, Saint, as our equal and the bane of both the fallen and the vex, should have become the mind controlled frenemy trope. Not only would this have mirrored Savosiris, but it would've created amazing levels of drama because he is one of the only guardians capable of facing us and one of humanty's greatest heroes and would have made sense that "the conductor" uses it on him rather than us as we'd already resisted the echo of command while it was literally tied to the witness. Not only this, but the conductor should have been an actual vex, evolved and representing a sort of Adam Warlock of their species, rather than being essentially a human character hijacking the supercivilization of robots that should be our next greatest threat. Edit: also have to very much agree with not tying the story to singular repeatable activities. Act 2 has felt much better if not for just the fact that we've had a new battleground to run through progressively
Starting to sound like you want year one DLC COO and Warmind. I liked those too. They need to find a good middle ground with seasons and dlc's like those.
So of this saint was pulled from an identical timeline does that mean the Osiris from that timeline is now alone? Would that Osiris try and pull another Saint 14 from a different timeline????? Pulling saints like holo Pokémon cards lol
I'd rather leave for a few weeks feeling satisfied and excited to come back with a complete story, then be drip fed story, leaving disappointed and worried the next Act will be the same way.
Bungie saw that humans slowed down on purchasing seasons, so of course they rename/package seasons. So humans can be like oooh look new shiny thing "episodes" lets purchase it. Bungee has always been scummy and deceptive with selling/reselling content. And its Destiny players fault for being gullible and supporting it. Insanity... Guilty
I agree man. Mini campaign to get the narrative through fluidly. Then the activity and fetching XYZ item can be tied to the loot and god rolls were chasing. That would be much better.
I do wonder if amongst people at Bungie there genuinely was a genuine desire to do something different, and the intent was you'd just get a bigger story drop at the start of the act, but then the executives came in with "but we need our weekly engagement numbers" so the 3 week thing was a compromise the had to do. But there I'm falling into the trap of making up excuses for them. And the thing is I understand they got to market these things and the reality wouldn't be an easy sell, but I think there'd be a lot less frustration right now if they were more honest and detailed about how episodes would work and why they were doing this upfront.
Imo episodes need to introduce either new or changing patrol zones that’s it, in a permanent way and the changes should happen between the acts. Think about season of the haunted, you could get away with few compact story missions and let the player explore the changed space you created for more environmental storytelling that would be 100 times better than the fetch quests we have now. So i would say condense the story in 1-2 mission during the act and leave the rest in patrol + an activity.
always been a supporter of yours ever since the low bucket voice recording myelin games in D1. Youve always kept it real and always have solutions or ideas on how to fix the problems, i agree that right now it doesnt look like episodes are any different than seasons and i hope they prove us wrong lol but i am enjoying the game a lot right now too so idk lol
My dream for episodes is that they drop the seasonal activity along the first 3 missions along with hard modes for those missions. then for act 2 they add an exotic mission, then act 3 we get two more missions and a spin on the seasonal activity. Kinda like house of wolves with more girth.
I also wanna know, where the hell is clovis? Hes just disappeared since season of seraph, i thought him and maya would be the new heads of the vex, i think clovis has the potential to be an amazing villain. Since he clearly isnt gonna have anything to do with the vex, my last hope for him is hes been missing since seraph to find siva or maybe infiltrate neptune somehow and all their cloudstrider tech? I really wanna see more of clovis, hes honestly alot more interesting to me than maya is.
Man, look, I mean this with no offense but I know someone will get offended so whatever. It's bad when a story arc ends, and we've heard more about a character's sexuality than the main enemy. I'm tired, I wanted to hear about the humanoid vex, I don't care how strong the love is between saint and osiris.
I'm worried that the first episode isn't gay enough. Every week we are shown what a happy couple Osiris and Saint are, how good it is for an old man and a steel battle robot to be together. The Name of Osiris alone is enough to bring Saint back. Maya is 100% trying to get her girlfriend back with the help of the Vex. But. What is Feilsafe's sexuality? Is they gay enough? After all, it can’t be that the ship’s AI is... straight?
Not really surprised, when they announced episodes, I thought, what exactly is different on Episodes that differentiates them from seasons? Nothing really substantial and what is different is worse.
Brother, you do not need to justify your opinions. Let people say what they will. Plenty of us a) agree with you and b) even if we don't, we know it comes from a place of love for the game and frustration that it isn't living up to it's potential. Keep speaking how you feel, I for one, appreciate it that way.
I honestly don't like the idea of Saint grappling with him not being the original. Like, what does it matter? Dude is the glorious and jolly Saint-14, brother you're an exo who's been lapped 14 times, of a person who used to be alive. It would be a different story if the OG saint was still alive and he had to deal with not being the real one, but the real one is apparently dead, and they saved one who is 100% exactly like the original. Right on down to the memories. Just feels like unnecessary drama, when all they had to do was introduce the conductor.
Oh man, I just love having to listen to Saint/Osiris. Hey, did you know they are lovers? Why don't we have a few more seasons just to really drive the point home that they are gay for each other, not sure if anyone made the connection yet.
Failsafe at the end of Act 1 is all like, “they hurt my friend so now it’s time to get serious!” Yeah we’re gonna get serious, we’re gonna get more samples, but really angrily.
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@@Codreanu_Prezent $15
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I had a good chuckle then cry after
I misss the old Vex aesthetics from D1. There was something so mystical about it. Especially the black garden aesthetics. The modern aesthetics for the vex seem like a cliche matrix, or a random pixel game like geometry dash.
That's because even Bungie did not know what they were doing with the story at that point.
I agree it's way too bright now instead of the more murky and mossy textures of D1
D1s design was peak destiny and I'll stand by that forever. D2 feels like a fortnitified flashing lights fest at times, and the armour and designs kinda suck in comparison.
I hate they are sticking with the 80s retro VR look for the Vex. It just looks so out of place.
@@gargathulothhastur4981it’s commonly theorized that the Vex were Thee antagonist due to their hidden agenda
My guess is the vex were the darkness or what was left of it the black garden is where the dark heart is located not to mention their entire objective is to consume, change, and exterminate anything going against their vision (sounds familiar like how d1 darkness was described as aye?) the ships are clearly meant to be Vex designed so as why they decided to do universal I’ll never know
The vex were/are the true antagonists and its infuriating bungie decided to refuse using them for a smoke head puppy eyes as the antagonist.
Did I forget to mention even the vex can infect hive throne worlds? Ya know where hive gods go to regenerate and can never be truly killed unless they die in there? Yeah they were clearly teasing the vex to be the ultimate antagonist but cop out when they were gonna be front and centre
Echoes are just seasons with more time gates. Also, the teams working on seasons are not the expansion teams. Let’s get that distinction clear here because Bungie absolutely nailed TFS.
But they should borrow traits that make the campaign good, since it's now the new story and game progression for the next year. Not a reduction in quantity and quality through even more drip.
I don't think there's anyone who is seriously saying TFS was in any way bad or such. If anything TFS was so damn good they're now suffering from the success of it as the come down from an amazing expansion to a middling seasonal story is even more drastic.
@MonsieurAuContraire The Final Shape was fun, but the story was more of the same from Bungie. The guardian does everything while the characters pretend we don't exist. Of all the revelations in the main campaign, only 2 of them are new and 1 of them is immediately glossed over. The most interesting dialogue takes place comes from Micah during OLD story missions. Certainly better than lightfall, but not as good as Witch Queen. Probably on par with Forsaken.
I think the mini campaign per act makes sense. 3 story missions in a row, a beginning middle and end with a teaser to the next act. Let the activities drop your mcguffin to upgrade failsafe and have a separate upgrade path for her alone. You’re right, story and grind needs to separate.
I suggest adding new difficulty settings that ramp from week to week. A mini campaign with 3 missions each act and every week those 3 missions go up in difficulty…. Maybe add a leaderboard to make it fun
Two things come to mind "drip fed" and "life support". So who is ready for more seas... i mean episo... i mean a future of frontiers... Nailed it in one. Take care Myelin, great as always my man.
Peace
Episodes are not like Seasons, proceeds to be exactly like seasons but you have to wait longer to finish the story
I think what’s funny is that an episode fits inside an act, 6 missions -> 6 weeks.
Act 1 had 2 weeks with missions and 1 worthless filler week, I predict that acts 2 and 3 will be the same.
I was hoping against hope that they would drop the whole episode at once and we'd be able to play the whole thing at our own pace. Bungo got me again.
Edited for spelling error
I’ve never been happier that I didn’t purchase the annual pass. My guardian and ghost relaxing in front of the travel was my retirement.
Fr. If we end up out of the solar system with some new planets I might come back
Yes sir. A lot of ups and downs on this 10 year “journey”. Turns out the final shape wasn’t all that final 💀. Naw we beat the darkness. I’m good. I’m done with d2. I’ll see y’all in d3
Oh me too. I wouldn’t have even purchased Echoes. Little stinky of bungie to price TFS at $60 ($70 Canadian after taxes) and attach an episode rather than make it like $45-$50 and selling seperate.
Tbh i have the annual pass and im kinda regretting it 😅
To be honest I wish I would have just bought the expansion alone and quit at the end after finishing up Pale Heart. The annual pass was a total waste of money as it's clear it's still going to be the same soulless boring grind every episode. I don't care how cool they make Fallen vampires look, I'm guessing that episode will be the same boring nonsense.
For me you nailed exactly my thoughts with your suggestions at the end of your critique. A mini campaign to begin each Act would allow me to actually enjoy the whole story as it unfolds in action, moreso because the current format means i won't get to engage with the end mission we had this week because i simply refuse to go through all the pointless grind in between. I would be more than happy spending an hour or so running a small campaign and then stepping away for a few weeks till the next one. Instead though i have had to watch a content creator's gameplay of the Act 1 end mission so that i at least get to experience it.
We all engage with games in our own ways. No way is right or wrong. For 10 years i have enjoyed Destiny by literally opting to play the content i find to be fun. Yes i miss out on a lot but at least it also allows me time to enjoy more of a variety of games. I am an old gamer too, older than you good sir, so i really don't need mindless grinds just to force up the numbers and make it look like consistent player engagement. And don't get me wrong, i am not running down Bungie. Yes they disappoint me at times but they deserve credit for their passion and creativity. It's just a shame their formatting is lacking the motivation for me to engage regularly.
They spent all of the brainpower making The Final Shape campaign good, to justify the cost of the expansion. Now back to brain farting and idiocy.
I'm glad I didn't buy the Annual Pass cause episodes look really bad so far.
They just divided a season worth of content into 3 acts and time gated the already time gated content then bloated it to last 120 days.
That last mission was pretty good, a bit longer and it could be a strike. The changes to the destination in the mission were really cool
Act 2 really needs to add all the changes to the Patrol Space.
This absolutely represents how I feel. I was so bummed immediately after running the first seasonal event and realizing nothing had changed. Literally haven’t played since, it was so demotivating.
edit I mathed wrong, fixed it
One thing I've pointed out is that if this is the model, 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off, we are only going to get 27 story weeks, while the 4 seasons, usually around 8 missions, would be 32. They aren't telling more story, they are telling much less
Where are you getting this math? There’s 3 acts for each of 3 episodes. That’s 9 acts. If each act has 3 weeks of content, that’s 27 weeks total.
@@DaitoFoundry 8(missions)x4(seasons) is 32
3(acts) x 3(missions per act) x 3(episodes) is (3x3)x3 is 27
So either way we’re getting less, OP’s math is just terrible and I don’t know how he knows how to read.
@@gagekellstrom3978 I'd argue that there's a quantity vs quality thing here. We got 8 weeks of story each season, but how many of those weeks were substantive? The number of seasons that were jam-packed with story for all 8 of those weeks are few and far between, really only Haunted comes to mind. Conversely, this act, conservatively 2 out of the 3 weeks had substantive story. I appreciate a tighter and more focused story, I think the format we had before was quite meandering and often full of fluff.
@@DaitoFoundry Yikes I have no clue haha
@@DaitoFoundry I mathed the other side wrong too, 4 seasons at around 8 episodes would be 32 weeks of story
Im so happy we get to help an old man save his robot lover boy again and pay to do so.
Crazy plot twist: we, the guardian who came out of the corridors of time, is ALSO NOT the original guardian that went in. Saint’s crisis people can brush off. But when the Conductor reveals OUR TRUTH? now stuff gets real.
Idk why people are upset about saint
As a lore nerd I also have said what if saint isn’t “real”
I mean come on if you found out ur from a different timeline and the version of you that is from this timeline was dead you probably feel some type of way too
People just don’t or can’t relate to characters
@@SepticEmpirehe's a robot copy of a golden age person that has been reset 14 times before he got reset by a ghost into an undead paracausal being.
If he was worried about being a copy that ship sailed 1000 years ago.
@@meateaw he probably went through it back then too
Idk if saint remember his pre exo self since becoming a guardian but this time is different
This is him from a different timeline
I image he was shown his grave (the one we see in curse of Osiris) then told he’s a fake he shouldn’t exist and that Osiris doesn’t love him and only love him because the real one is dead and he’s just the replacement
If that happens to you I’m sure you’d go crazy like he did
When they first pitched Episodes to the community I thought it was going to be like the mini-campaign idea you had, as soon as I did the first week's quest I went "oh, so we're doing the same thing as before, great..."
I do hope that act 2 and 3 will pick up the pace a bit, maybe they've intentionally kept the story light so people can focus on The Final Shape's campaign, but I don't have a lot of confidence.
Honestly this is about what I expected from this episode. I think and hope that the next episodes will be larger and better, but obviously we cannot know for sure. Overall this is simply not a surprise
I dont have high hopes for the rest of this episode considering there will only be 3 weeks of story for each act. Hopefully episode 2 will be better but only time will tell
You are absolutely 💯! This is bull.... we get 3 weeks of sub mediocre play, then a 20-day wait.
Act 1 was, "Wow, the Vex are acting really weird aren't they? Man it's just so weird what the Vex are doing. The Vex are up to something big! Isn't it cool that nessus looks a little different now? Uh oh. Saint is having a mental health crisis. Looks like we'll just leave him alone for a while with his turbulent emotions and new sense of vulnerability after getting mind controlled. I hope that doesn't do any damage to hik while we wait for Act 2 :smile:"
I hate how many times an NPC says, "The Vex are acting weird" or "The Vex are up to something big." Classic tell don't show
My thoughts of act 1 is that we got 2 missions in 3 weeks. Week 1 we had an opening mission and a cutscene to setup the story, Week 2 was go collect data and come back next week, the third and final week had a mission that kicked the story into gear only to tell us to wait till act 2.
There is no point waiting for acts 2 and 3 to judge the episodical model because we can look at the game and the triumphs. it’s 9 quest steps, 3 weeks each act. It’s not changing in acts 2 and 3.
We all got caught out with episodes because during the showcase they told us that seasons would be a “new way of content delivery”. We were told 3 major story beats 6 weeks apart. Bungie told us episodes would be different and we foolishly believed them. We have no community management team (well dmg is back but idk if that will change the community involvement).
We now have a new Game Director and Joe Blackburn was the lead when the changes to seasons were announced. He listened to the community yet I have heard not a word from the new guy.
A side note I have figured out is that as a traditional season echos would slap hard, a typical season length is 12 weeks and the quests last around 6 to 7 weeks. Take act 1 had a story mission in week 1 and 3. Do the math and you get 6 missions. We are getting 6 story missions total which means as a season we would have zero filler
I agree, glad some of the big creators are bringing it up, called that it would be the same thing as a season from the beginning
“We are due for a bad expansion” is insane but so real
To add, I absolutely love the idea of the mini mission. Maybe a 40-60min mission. Legendary or heroic. Where its act 1 start to finish. Love the idea of the little tid bits of lore linked to activities.
100% your suggestions are right on. I've played since alpha, back on ps3 (now on PC) and I dont have the time to grind anymore , but I want to finish the story . So your idea of a mini campaign is great. As I'm typing this message I have only had time to do the first mission of the episode and I watch your videos so I dont miss the story because sometimes I dont have time to grind for the story... thanks...
With the scattered holograms around Nessus, I was actually hoping Ashur had made a return, given how Sloan had come back in Season Of The Deep. Maya is great because she's someone who's popped up is the lore here and there enough to spark warranted curiosity, where this is now a worthwhile story beat to explore.
I wish that acts where just destination rework. With a new exotic mission reworked strikes, a loot refresh, and a small campaign to go with it. As well as changing up the destination. Like what we are seeing with nesses.
Nessus getting a bunch of new secrets and an activity like Overthrow would have been so cool
That would take effort. Something bungo cant do under sony or under their executives.
Also myelin the story ideas are bang on point, would love to see this change so bad.!!!!
I thought, when they announced Episodes, that we would get the whole act worth of story at the start of each act. Like what you're said. I was so disappointed when I finished the first week story and had to wait for the next week.
Yeah i could easily imagine the last act 1 mission being a week 1 mission for a season, diplay the threat and build stakes.
Respect to the end bit: the lore that’s coming is great and I understand others importance of continuing to share that knowledge with the community.
I do appreciate your feedback in addition. I’m having a decent time with the gameplay loop. The concern I’ve felt is the grind of storytelling like you mentioned
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Did you notice that they got the Failsafe dialogue colours wrong? When shes her cynical persona her colours are supposed to be red, while when shes talking like a nice "person" her colours are supposed to be yellow/golden.
I think failsafe is the only thing I like from this season so far. Very charming and surprisingly funny dialogue.
On one end I think something like the lost ghosts quest line would be a great addition to seaso- ahem, episodic content.
Strikes, campaign missions, and adventures brought back and slightly edited, with fresh dialogue and a side objective. I even feel like they did a okay job at writing around the elephant in the room of it being enemies and locations from an older time in the game (although I doubt these mysteries will every see a conslusion).
However, even all of those were something I managed to grind through in an evening, and if I didn’t have time off, would maybe have taken only 2 or 3 nights. The fact is I don’t know how they can design content that we won’t just blitz through, especially if they know it’s going to expire at some point.
The problem is seasonal/episodic content that’s on a conveyor isn’t given enough room. I think of the long, and occasionally grindy quests from black armory, opulence etc. that they don’t do any more because people complained about said grind, leading to this shallow-but-infinite content style that doesn’t have an incentive at the end.
Its great to hear an honest review! So many of the streamers clearly are on Bungie's D and can't say anything negative or they dont get access or something.
i definitely feel your pain man. i had to tap out of destiny a while back, i only keep tabs on it through creators like you (for whom i am very grateful). i honestly wish destiny was more similar in release style/cadence to halo. i'd rather watch a movie than a soap opera - i'd rather come back, sink my teeth into a meaty, meaningful, dense, well-executed, complete story chapter once a year (or even less often) than try to maintain interest in a constant slow drip forever. i can't handle the pointless repetitive grind (not to mention the million different currencies/materials/upgrade doodads and inventory management). there's SO much i love about this game, but i didn't feel like it respected or rewarded my time investment often enough and i had to get out.
your suggestion is a great idea. the way it should work is that at the beginning of a season a single campaign mission drops. it tells a complete act. 45 minute campaign style mission. then once you beat the mission you get the "well now we have to collect the data while we wait for the next mission" as an excuse to do the seasonal/episodic activity over and over. rinse and repeat until the next mission drops. etc.
😂😂😂 the killing failsafe comment was hilarious
I genuinely regret getting the year pass.. as always I appreciate your passion, man. Hope they can change things around, with Final Shape out of the way I was so hopeful for the future
Kinda unrelated but i feel like these episodes are just here to build background / lore for the new saga: new frontiers. My theory is maya will be the main villian in her own expansion, hopefully in the vex home world. Revenant will set up lore for an expansion based on fikural, hopefully in riis and heresy will hopefully do the same for xivu and her expansion in her war moon or torobotl
10000000% agree with every single point
My *hope* is that this particular “Episode” was originally developed under the Season model, that the model was changed to allow a better structure for subsequent Episodes, and that Episode One is therefore essentially a Season that was shoehorned into this three-Act system that might be better implemented for future Episodes.
I say “hope” because even though that would mean this particular Episode is just going to feel like a Season all the way through, it’s a halfway plausible explanation for how future Episodes might be substantially different.
(I’m also aware this is not an ideal hope. It’s merely the best one I can imagine that might actually be true.)
First : love your video and appreciate your point of view and saying what's-what out loud.
If nobody talks, reacts, criticizes, nothing changes.
But it is Bungie, like always. Not saying everything. Saying just enough to keep you. (prismatic, class items)
Then, it's a round of "we're listening" and the community goes crazy and applauds when a little change is made, like surges removed.
There's a duality in this community. We have to point out the mistakes and yes, preferencial treatments. Prismatic class items in Dual Destiny is a mistake. Oh, but the big guns says "get good", so it's ok then. No, it's not!
That "act 1 is over" after 3 weeks is a slap in the face.
As soon as it felt the same I just left for helldivers, maybe I’ll try waiting till the end so I can do everything all at once.
Bind yourself to the shield. Bind yourself to me. And if you abandon your purpose, let the Vault consume you, as it consumed me.” -Kabr
Keep this kind of content up and speak your mind, it’s why I sub!
Thank you for speaking your truth to power, oh guardian Myen
A mini campaign, fill the story with missions that are unique, not necessarily expansive, but different and not samey. Then add special dialogue to seasonal acitvity aswell as loot to enhance the story.
The corridors of time is a strange one.
Remember this, the corridors was a time machine that used paracausal energy.
Paeacausal means without causation.
He IS our Saint, he is a saint that breaks causality, we saved the original AND our original died.
Sadly the writers of this season forgot the whole fucking premise of guardians and using paracausal energy for our time machine.
Thr vex can do causal time travel, ie time travel that has impacts in causal time (eg. butterfly effect time travel).
But the time machine we used was paracausal time travel. We can break causality with our time machine because it was designed to do that.
It wasnt Saint speaking , it was Maya, little by little becoming the new witness by fusioning all her copies in the vexnet and her mind clones produce by the veil
This episode imo should involve Clovis and the black garden too. A raid refresh would have been a great addition. There should be changes to the major vex gates in game to depict this internal struggle between the main vex and Ishtar vex for gate control. A good time to bring back a newly recompiled Panoptis and a battle through the infinite forest to showcase the Curse of Osiris linked plot and our lost vendor. We need a thicker story in episodes not bare bones.
I hope Failsafe gets a new ship and becomes a bigger part in our game, i feel so bad for Devrim and Failsafe they never get any love.
If she doesn't get an Exo body in this episode, i bet she will after Bungie sees how well people are receiving her now compared to her original debut.
I get the feeling that something is going to happen to either Devrim or Hawthorne to build up a story with the remaining one.
@@voltus20 They should have killed Hawthorne and made Saint the Clan vendor and kept Holliday around.
Hawthorne suuuucks.
Appreciate you Myelin
Curious if they are writing the missions a couple weeks ahead of time and this is all being winged.
I think the Act for the Episodes will turn out better gameplay wise because you get new activities and new rewards in each Act. Also I believe Maya is the false lead. I think she has something to do with everything but right before Witch Queen Bungie added a Lore Tab to one Future War Cult Gun; The Number and I believe that Lore Tab has something to do with our new enemy: The Paracausal Entity Riley
Do you think because of the focus of Final Shape they had to import the old season model for the first episode and the following Episodes will be diffrent?
I mean it kinda seems like it considering we're getting the dreadnought back. We didn't get any new destination with echoes but I could see Bungie lumping in the pale heart with it. I think most people are still farming their exotic class items and doing stuff in the pale heart.
A new destination every episode would be ideal.
That's the hope. But others point out the season team and campaign team are separate. My guess is the delay probably put all hands on deck to make Final Shape as good as it is, but they're also probably finishing up or finished Episode 2. It's not likely Episode 2 will be any different.
For me the biggest problem is where is the ending to this act? Who is the bad guy in this ? I mean we are back to what is the vail thing
I hope, maybe as a side quest between weekly mission, we get to Upgrade failsafes weapons, and maybe use her like Strategems from helldivers in the weekly activity, after we deposit those data blocks and stuff.
What in the ever-loving hell makes you think Bungie is capable of doing something that competent?
The rendered cut scene at the beginning with the mouse cursor in it gets a mark for quality????????
When I saw Episodes would be split into "Acts", I thought of the system of the same name Genshin Impact uses for its' main story. That act structure is similar to what Myelin suggested of a "mini Campaign", where (for example, in the most recent Genshin main storyline) a patch releases with Act I and II, that would be a long-ish introduction to the story. Then a month later Act III and IV drops, then the final Act V (which culminates everything and is usually as long as two of the earlier Acts) the month after. All that and keep in mind there is no seasonal grind to get to the story, it's contained like a campaign from start to finish. It could work for Destiny and I thought a system of that sort was what Acts were going to be but instead it's just longer seasons with a different name. Really sucks
That's weird. Becuase i have had the questline telling me for 2 weeks now telling me that failsafe will contact me when act 2 starts.
Tell 'em Myelin!
I'm a player that doesn't enjoy grinding for loot in the game. I do log in to do the story, finishing objectives within reason of my ability, and a few weeklies till I hit cap. The main reason I do log in weekly is the story. I can't get behind the idea of one mission every act, there really wouldn't be much to log in for at that point. I truly would rather have the narrative be better interwoven in the activities we are doing. Big lore points should be near impossible to miss. I, admittedly, completely forgot about Maya, and the conductor because it felt like an out of the way extra tidbit. I never registered "the conductor" as something I should remember, and the drop of it was like a creak in a floorboard compared to actually having a character say something to the effect of "didn't Sunderesh say something about a conductor, is she involved?". Or finish each week, and have better lead up, "oh this data packet we decoded is logs of osiris travelling into the infinite forest, why did they want this?' or "weird the vex net packet here has ishtar signature code, and some data on the founding of neomuna?"
If they wanted to believably launch into this trouble in paradise trope so soon, Saint, as our equal and the bane of both the fallen and the vex, should have become the mind controlled frenemy trope. Not only would this have mirrored Savosiris, but it would've created amazing levels of drama because he is one of the only guardians capable of facing us and one of humanty's greatest heroes and would have made sense that "the conductor" uses it on him rather than us as we'd already resisted the echo of command while it was literally tied to the witness.
Not only this, but the conductor should have been an actual vex, evolved and representing a sort of Adam Warlock of their species, rather than being essentially a human character hijacking the supercivilization of robots that should be our next greatest threat.
Edit: also have to very much agree with not tying the story to singular repeatable activities. Act 2 has felt much better if not for just the fact that we've had a new battleground to run through progressively
You called it, enjoyed the video and your perspective.
Saint-14
Starting to sound like you want year one DLC COO and Warmind. I liked those too. They need to find a good middle ground with seasons and dlc's like those.
31:12 THAT'S WHAT I TOUGHT WHEN THE EPISODE THING WAS ANNOUNCED
So of this saint was pulled from an identical timeline does that mean the Osiris from that timeline is now alone? Would that Osiris try and pull another Saint 14 from a different timeline????? Pulling saints like holo Pokémon cards lol
I'd rather leave for a few weeks feeling satisfied and excited to come back with a complete story, then be drip fed story, leaving disappointed and worried the next Act will be the same way.
I have not played since forsaken. I enjoyed this experience more than the forsaken seasons.
35:18 we need more of this hope it will shake Bungie up
Bungie saw that humans slowed down on purchasing seasons, so of course they rename/package seasons. So humans can be like oooh look new shiny thing "episodes" lets purchase it. Bungee has always been scummy and deceptive with selling/reselling content. And its Destiny players fault for being gullible and supporting it. Insanity... Guilty
100% agree with everything in this video.
Im just over here in my corner, really really hoping my theory about how the acts will work is right
I agree man. Mini campaign to get the narrative through fluidly. Then the activity and fetching XYZ item can be tied to the loot and god rolls were chasing. That would be much better.
I do wonder if amongst people at Bungie there genuinely was a genuine desire to do something different, and the intent was you'd just get a bigger story drop at the start of the act, but then the executives came in with "but we need our weekly engagement numbers" so the 3 week thing was a compromise the had to do.
But there I'm falling into the trap of making up excuses for them.
And the thing is I understand they got to market these things and the reality wouldn't be an easy sell, but I think there'd be a lot less frustration right now if they were more honest and detailed about how episodes would work and why they were doing this upfront.
Imo episodes need to introduce either new or changing patrol zones that’s it, in a permanent way and the changes should happen between the acts. Think about season of the haunted, you could get away with few compact story missions and let the player explore the changed space you created for more environmental storytelling that would be 100 times better than the fetch quests we have now.
So i would say condense the story in 1-2 mission during the act and leave the rest in patrol + an activity.
They could have made collecting data a community challenge to unlock the next story. But obviously the story that would be unlocked has to be beefy
Didn't Chioma Esi let the Vex assimilate her? Could she be trying to save Maya Sundaresh as we did with Saint?
It is important to hold bungie accountable to the standards they publicly set for themselves. If we don't hold them to it, nobody will.
I know you get some pushback for being "negative," but I value that you give your honest opinion--both good and bad. Keep it up, man!
Love the Content!
Thanks for your opinion. Totally agree!
always been a supporter of yours ever since the low bucket voice recording myelin games in D1. Youve always kept it real and always have solutions or ideas on how to fix the problems, i agree that right now it doesnt look like episodes are any different than seasons and i hope they prove us wrong lol but i am enjoying the game a lot right now too so idk lol
My dream for episodes is that they drop the seasonal activity along the first 3 missions along with hard modes for those missions. then for act 2 they add an exotic mission, then act 3 we get two more missions and a spin on the seasonal activity. Kinda like house of wolves with more girth.
Does anyone know if you play as an exo, can you hear the voice that Saint is talking about?
I also wanna know, where the hell is clovis? Hes just disappeared since season of seraph, i thought him and maya would be the new heads of the vex, i think clovis has the potential to be an amazing villain. Since he clearly isnt gonna have anything to do with the vex, my last hope for him is hes been missing since seraph to find siva or maybe infiltrate neptune somehow and all their cloudstrider tech? I really wanna see more of clovis, hes honestly alot more interesting to me than maya is.
my only push back is that the episode isnt complete.. im okay with seeing the complete episode fleshed out.
Just drop the 3 quests in week 1 of every Act, then those data collections stuff is for the lore every week, and you get a red border like we do now
Man, look, I mean this with no offense but I know someone will get offended so whatever.
It's bad when a story arc ends, and we've heard more about a character's sexuality than the main enemy. I'm tired, I wanted to hear about the humanoid vex, I don't care how strong the love is between saint and osiris.
I saw the saint twist coming cause part of it was in the trailer which I wish they wouldnt do
The tone from the “end of the light and dark saga” to failsafes cringy ass is so staggering 💀
I'm worried that the first episode isn't gay enough. Every week we are shown what a happy couple Osiris and Saint are, how good it is for an old man and a steel battle robot to be together. The Name of Osiris alone is enough to bring Saint back. Maya is 100% trying to get her girlfriend back with the help of the Vex. But. What is Feilsafe's sexuality? Is they gay enough? After all, it can’t be that the ship’s AI is... straight?
Great insights, thanks a lot
Not really surprised, when they announced episodes, I thought, what exactly is different on Episodes that differentiates them from seasons? Nothing really substantial and what is different is worse.
Leave it to bungo to introduce a new villain/threat but won’t show us till the end of the season.
Nothing changes.. sigh
I thought the main reason for the rebranding to episodes was because they’re all separate stories so you don’t have to play them in order
Technically no one of us is from that timeline...When ghost resurrects us it pulls in instance of us from different timeline
Brother, you do not need to justify your opinions. Let people say what they will. Plenty of us a) agree with you and b) even if we don't, we know it comes from a place of love for the game and frustration that it isn't living up to it's potential. Keep speaking how you feel, I for one, appreciate it that way.
I honestly don't like the idea of Saint grappling with him not being the original. Like, what does it matter? Dude is the glorious and jolly Saint-14, brother you're an exo who's been lapped 14 times, of a person who used to be alive.
It would be a different story if the OG saint was still alive and he had to deal with not being the real one, but the real one is apparently dead, and they saved one who is 100% exactly like the original. Right on down to the memories.
Just feels like unnecessary drama, when all they had to do was introduce the conductor.
i agree that episodes were not any different from seasons but i do love seeing failsafe again
thank you for your efforts
The story itself was good. I like the mystery and Saint-14. It just needs to be delivered differently.
Oh man, I just love having to listen to Saint/Osiris. Hey, did you know they are lovers? Why don't we have a few more seasons just to really drive the point home that they are gay for each other, not sure if anyone made the connection yet.