I never realized Twilight got slowly taller each season after season 3. I always thought she just got taller after her ascension and stayed like that until the time skip 😭 I’m gonna rethink my whole life now
@@robertstream3683 You're correct. Twilight's alicorn model is unchanged until the final ep. You can readily compare her stark differences to Pinkie/Rarity as they stand in a row during season 4's "Bats!" when Fluttershy sings, "if I did not defend them, then I would be remiss." Her neck is elongated, chest is pushed out a little more, horn longer, sternum is lengthened very slightly, her radius/ulna bones are elongated, and her hooves are resultingly slightly larger. She doesn't 'grow a few centimeters' every season. I didn't know Equestria used the metric system, nor how he would know the exact length of anything to compare. Horses are measured in hands. I would say twilight is a full hand taller than the standard female model. Rarity's horn tip ends at the same height alicorn Twilight's ears begin.
Sawtooth Waves probably had the best theory in regards to what makes an alicorn. The theory follows: There is nothing special about becoming an alicorn, they are not born out of some great deed or divine birthright. The requirement to ascending is simply for a pony to directly receive magic of all three tribes at once. Every single case in the series can be argued to fulfill that condition. Twilight: >When the Elements synchronized with her to undo the spell, some of the M6 magic must have gone into her, triggering ascension. Cadance (this one's the toughest): >The way she became an alicorn was by defeating an evil unicorn called Prismia who possessed an amulet that was leeching the love out of the town Cadance lived in. The book says that the reason why Cadance, a Pegasus, could defeat Prismia was because the amulet, now full of love, was amplifying Cadance's own abilities. >Love in Equestria, as shown by Changelings and Cadance herself, is literally magic. >Cadance, after defeating Prismia, made her see the light of day and become a better pony. >The theory goes that the moment Prismia changed her ways, her love was also siphoned into the pendant, which would then hold the love/magic of Earth Ponies and a Unicorn, which upon amplifying Cadance's abilities, would also end up fulfilling the conditions for ascension. >PS: the reason why it happened to Cadance and not Prismia is probably because Cadance's love is "undrainable" (or at least very hard to drain), otherwise there'd be no reason for Chrysalis to munch on Shining instead of just Cadance. Cozy Glow >Grogar's Bell could have traces of Earth Pony and Unicorn magic inside it, which Cozy would have absorbed alongside Discord's magic. Sunny: >Became one when in direct contact with crystals literally containing all of the magic of each tribe in them. Celestia, Luna, Flurry Heart and Opaline: >All presumably born from other alicorns, who would already have the magic of all three tribes in them.
I don't think that Celestia and Luna born. Sorry,but i G5 has really a lot of flaws when it's tries connect to G4. Celestia and Luna being born this way indeed was original idea of Lauren Faust. Yet that idea never was in the show. Idea of them being born Alicorns was once again in Journal of Two sisters. Yet there again a lot of contradictions. For example Luna and Celestia living on Canterlot mount in childhood is completely wrong,because in series while Twilight reads og journal in the series,according to Celestia ,they lived in Castle of Two sisters. That's completely different from this comic book. And of course from G5. While Opaline invented some kind of land Named Skyros,it's not Castle of Two sisters. Or ,then creators need to say,That this part of Equestria named Skyros.
As far as we know the only non alicorn that had lived for so long was Granny Smith (hundreds of years old) as we know for a fact that: 1 she helped in creation of Ponyville 2 ponies of Ponyville have been practicing Winter Wrapup for hundreds of years (as told by Twilight)
i like to think that earth ponies are able to live longer, seeing as they have heightened physical abilities. or Granny Smith is a chad pony who lived for 300+ years
I always viewed ponyville as a new village, not an ancient one. Ponyville was established when Granny was a young child, had her son late in life and then raised her grandkids. Considering canterlot’s and manehatten’s view of ponyville, they made it seem like the frontier. Say Granny arrived in founded Ponyville at five, took over the family farm in late 20s to 30s, had Bright Macintosh between 30s to 40s, and saw BM married 50s to 60s. That would put her between 80 and 90 when the series starts, and the gen 4 took place over the course of 2 - 3 years (I would say longer, the the Cakes kids are throwing me off).
@@Kathryn012Ya idk what they did with that show but I can’t even bring myself to finish the show. I originally gave it a shot because I love mlp friendship is magic, but no it’s bad. The characters are unoriginal, the stylistic design of the show is cheap looking, and the storyline is weird. This reminds me of the DreamWorks Dragon The Nine Realms. They did the same thing.
@@BlinkArmy4 its so disappointing with the art style 😭 I draw mlp stuff every once in a while (I like doing art style studies) and when I figured out it looked like g5 I got very upset 😭😭
I heard this second hand so I don’t know if it’s true, but apparently Cadence was just a Unicorn in the original draft of A Canterlot Wedding (though still referred to as a princess, like with Princess Blueblood in The Best Night Ever). At around the same time Hasbro had produced a bunch of pink Celestia toys (can’t remember why they did that or even thought it was a good idea) but no one was buying them because of the inaccuracy colour. So they produced Celestia toys with the accurate white colour which did sell, but now had a ton of the pink version laying around. One change to the script of A Canterlot Wedding later, and they could now repurpose the pink Celestia toys as Princess Cadence toys. Edit: I know Cadence was originally a Pegasus in the lore. What I’m saying is that I heard Cadence was originally a Unicorn Princess in early concepts, but she was changed to being a Alicorn so they could sell pink Alicorn toys.
@@colorbar.s The very early Cadence figures and the larger pink Celestia figures do look very similar. At the very least they used the same mold for a few of the them.
1) pink celestia sold very well 2) Cadance has the luna mold, not Celestia's 3) Pink celestia has a completely different pink body colour 4) there is literally a set of pink celestia and cadance together 😭 There's one Cadance that does have Celestia's mold but the plastic colour is so vastly different it's physically impossible for them to be the same toy repurposed. Unless you're implying they painted over it which.. they obviously did not. It's also a talking toy with cadance's voice, they did not somehow replace celestia voice lines in an already finished toy 😭 This story is just someone's nonsensical theory, it makes no actual sense
Personally my headcanon is that even though there were baby Alicorns before Flurry, they were never born naturally. Where instead of the birds and the bees, they were just spawned into existence by some higher power. It would also explain why we've never seen any male Alicorns
Skyros is outside of equestria meaning that Celestia, luna and Opaline are actually boarn alicorn note the part where she said the birth has never been seen in EQUESTRIA
Journal of Two sisters ,that was read by Twilight Sparkle in G4 says that both sisters were living in Castle of Two sisters as flies. Unless this Skyros,and it's not,I won't believe a word from that.
@@empireofengland6039 The 'Journal of the Two Sisters' book actually says that they lived in Canterlot as fillies, and built the Castle of the Two Sisters as the journal was being written (only deciding to build it in the Everfree Forest because the Tree of Harmony was there lol). Still doesn't explain the Skyros thing, unless they lived in Skyros as babies and moved to Canterlot as fillies and THEN built the Castle of the Two Sisters and THEN moved back to Canterlot... HASBRO FIX YOUR STORY
I've heard that apparently they couldn't use g4 material because Discovery owns part of the fim series until March 2025. That's why after the movie everything went downhill, why Twilight's model, the map, the dragons and all of that is different. To avoid legal issues
Going off of Sawtooth Waves’s theory here: Celestia: Alicorn of older sisterhood Luna: Alicorn of younger sisterhood Cadence: Alicorn of love for one’s partner and children Twilight: Alicorn of Friendship Flurry: Alicorn of love for one’s parents Love for one’s parents is the only feeling of love you gain at birth, hence why Flurry is an Alicorn from birth. She has a mastered understanding of her kind of love from the start.
Accepted. Although if Scootaloo is an Earth Pony, why can she walk on clouds? Doesn't that prove she's a Pegasus whose magic didn't fully develop, so she can't control weather or fly, but she can still walk on clouds?
I too see the random alicorns as not animation errors, but my theory is genetic chimerism! Sometimes 2 fetuses will merge together, and result in one individual with different genetic makeup in different parts of their body. It would make more sense if these "false alicorns" had patches of different colored fur like you see in real life chimeras, but hey we're talking about magic horses here it doesn't have to be realistic.
The theory I've heard from some other channel (forget who) that said that in order to become an alicorn, one must find their purpose/destiny (similar to a cutie mark, but on a more world-changing level). Every adult alicorn in G4 has a title of some kind, as "Princess of X". For example Celestia is princess of the sun, Luna is princess of the moon, Twilight is princess of friendship, and Cadance is princess of love (of one's spouse). That could imply that Flurry Heart is also a princess of love (of one's parents). In universe, this could just be a how parents may teach their foals about alicorns, and is a bit more complicated than just "doing something world-changing", as another commenter on this video pointed out Sawtooth's theory about all pony kind's magic being present to facilitate the ascension. I think that both of these theories could be combined as such: A pony has to figure out their destiny, and once all race's magic is present, they can begin the transformation; perhaps an existing alicorn must be present as well. Random thing that I was just reminded of is how every "canon" Alicorn is royal and also female. While Blueblood is considered royalty, he is only a unicorn and not an alicorn.
IMO, I think regarding "Tier Zero," I suspect plenty of ponies probably identity as other tribes and may wear prostheses. My headcanon is that Celestia is particularly supportive of this (explaining how we have royal guard alicorns in particular) and facilitates their chosen appearance through the royal guard armor enchantments. (Its heavily implied that enchantments to homogenize guard appearance exists, seeing as so many guards look the same, and we also get the otherwise inexplicable Bat Pony Rainbow Dash in that one alternate timeline) And in regards to ponies like Scootaloo, I don't think she's specifically an Earth Pony, but that the line between the tribes is just... kinda vague in the first place. My headcanon is that ponies have three kinds of magic: Cutie Mark Magic, Nature Magic, and some sort of Actualization Magic. Cutie Mark is obvious- its their talent. Nature Magic is more nebulous, but its basically the Passive Bonus ponies get- precognition, naturesense, animal speak, cloudwalking, weathersense and I'd even include standard telekenesis, as that's the natural means through which Unicorns interface with the heavenly bodies. (a responsibility totally foregone due to the presence of alicorns in Equestria) Then there's the active effects- namely flight, weather control and arcane powers. So where does this leave Earth Ponies? People call them the "Have Nots," but IMO they're the ones who are totally free from the bindings of their tribe. I think Earth Ponies basically get a second talent, like Pinkie's Fourth Wall powers, or AJ and her Lasso, or many Earth Ponies and their Super Strength. It just seems lame because most ponies have very little raw magical potential and boring talents to begin with. They're like someone with boring superpowers in a world of superheroes. But look at a pony like Fluttershy- she's technically a Pegasus, but her Actualized magic is split between Pegasus-based talents and her [STARE]. (Which we know isn't related to her animal-based Cutie Mark talent because it works on sapient beings) If you take her out of the context of forcing her onto the Pegasus box, she's actually full of raw potential, as we can see when she becomes Flutterbat, and all of her magic becomes aligned into a single purpose. (Insert metaphor for trauma/neurodivergence here) Scootaloo's problem is that she isn't that she has unfocused magic, but that she seems to legitimately be deficient of Actualization magic specifically. Scootaloo has a very special Cutie Mark and, unlike with Fluttershy, whose passive Cloudwalking seems to be disruptable under sufficient duress, Scootaloo is completely surefooted in Pegasus structures, so she can't be an Earth Pony. Bulk Biceps got in the Wonderbolt Reserves, so we also know wing size is irrelevant, and if it were a mechanical issue, transfiguration exists. It HAS to be a specific component of magic related to flight that's the issue. And bringing this back to Alicorns, the raw potential of Earth Ponies IMO is instrumental in exactly why Alicorns are so powerful. The default settings of ponies is an attunement to the world and are brimming with raw potential, and as essentially lower case gods, they can also fullfill the mastery of the sky and stars without running out of magic. That means they have all this extra, raw energy, and unlike most Earth Ponies, they aren't usually relegated to rather mild mannered talents and interests. Twilight became an alicorn under the idea specifically that she created new magic, according to Celestia. She specifically demonstrated the agency to direct and control power when presented with the opportunity. She also had affinity with Friendship, which isn't just a nice thing, but a genuine, powerful force of nature in this world. Which leads me to my last point- Alicorns are ArchElementals, which subsume the entirety of whatever thing it is they are about. Honestly, unless you're super careful, they're kinda very prone to evil, basically. Celestia takes over the ENTIRE natural duty of the unicorn tribe, for one. Opaline took over all dragon magic. Cadence's Cutie Mark is literally the Crystal Heart, and then the whole Nightmare Moon thing. Twilight took the throne, and Cozy Glow was briefly Triarch. Even Flurry Heart briefly threatened the kingdom while being younger than a sport season. Good or Bad, Alicorns take over. Sunny is the only exception, and she's also the only one that only is an alicorn when actualizing an explicit cause. Heck if we know if its even canon, but it does support this idea that the Alicorn state is inherently corruptive and must be tempered by love and friendship. (Remember points like the Alicorn Amulet, the potion Zecora gives Twilight that needs "Alicorn Magic" etc) In theory, if an alicorn were to ascend, everything related to their talent in all of Equestria (and beyond?) seems to bend to centralize onto their talent. The world apparently needs a Dream Guardian now that Luna is back, and the world has this whole diplomatic shift as Equestria gets this Friendship princess. And we know how Equestrian society radically shifted when the Sun Princess basically freed a third of the population from "giv[ing] up their magic" to move the sun. (though that just makes sense, logistically) Lord knows what happened because of Cadence, but she came onto the scene +15-20 years before the show started, at least.
I have a theory that sawtoothwave help put together in one of his videos. Alicorns created new magic that only them can will, Celestia the sun by herself, Luna the moon and the dream realm, Cadance with romantic love, Flurry familiar love and Twilight with magic so the reason Sunny isn’t a full on alicorns is because she didn’t create new magic but brought back magic ones forgotten and the crystals “made” her a alicorn to stand as a figure of unity and harmony much like twilight was.
I think there are alicorns in Skyros who were born like this, but if they want they can make a pony become an alicorn like Candence and Twilight, but there is another case that is like a demi-god, for example: Cozy glow and Sunny(and effect of Sunny is precisely to show the difference precisely to do with their mark of Hope) who became alicorns because of the magic, but if the magic disappears they lose this part of the alicorn, which is different from Candence when she lost her magic in end of the fourth season and remained an alicorn
In the first episode of FiM, the storybook depicts Celestia and Luna 1000 years prior to FiM's time period. Not only are Celestia and Luna depicted as ethereal beings living in the sky, but the ponies are depicted sleeping outdoors and frolicking in fenced in pens like... HORSES! These ...horses... appear too primitive to be the source of Celestia and Luna's knowledge of magic, so it makes sense that they studied magic in an advanced ethereal place like Skyros. The problem is, if Celestia and Luna were born alicorns, why is Celestia confident she can teach Twilight to become an alicorn, and is shocked when an alicorn is born in Equestria? A possible head-canon-ish explaination is Skyros is a god-factory where Celestia was trained to bring knowledge and magic to Equestria (which would explain why Equestria seemed so primitive in the first episode storybook, perhaps they were mere horses before Celestia and Luna arrived) and trained to create new alicorns like Twilight to take over in due time. Perhaps Equestria is only one of many worlds Skyros "seeded" with knowledge and magic.
My Theory: humans and animals can have genetic differences according to their blood types and DNA. Celestia, Luna and Opalescence, were born Alicorns because they had a higher DNA chance to get both wings and a horn, along with magic for both their wings and Horn. They earned their true alicorn status when they lifted the Sun, Moon, and fire, respectively (I don't think Celestia moves the sun I think she rotates the planet) I would place Scootaloo and flurry heart in the same category, although technically they should be in different categories (the background Alicorns are animation airs) I agree with Scootaloo being an earth pony with wings, because some people can have genetics that give them extra fingers they can move around, which is basically the same with Scootaloo, she just doesn't have the magic behind her wings. This is where things get complicated, flurry heart is a born alicorn, but is she really an alicorn? You can have wings and you can have magic to control those wings, but you're not an Alicorn till you earn your place. Unicorn Fillies and Colts have trouble controlling their magic, if you add Pegasus Magic on top of that of course unicorn magic is going to be stronger, but what makes you an alicorn is having earth pony magic too, I don't think flurry heart has earth pony magic. Why don't we throw sunny in here too, due to Sunny getting her Alicorn Magic from gemstones and not from the alicorns themselves, she only gained the magic not the wings and the horn thus her ability to get rid of her wings and Horn at will. Alicorn height is due to age and power level, the flowing mane can contribute more to power level, whereas the height of the pony can contribute more to their age. but this doesn't have to be the case, they can be swapped. With Luna she had a decent portion of her power stripped I believe at one point she was as tall or taller than her sister (controlling the dream realm is no easy feat) with Twilight, she gained her power over time and she was also given power from Celestia and Luna which could easily make Twilight as tall or taller than Celestia (some royalty in Canterlot are tall, this could be too due to genetics or power level not age) Cadence is an oddball. I think that's everyone, except for me, for some reason my age and power level go directly to my wavy mane (I need to update my profile) this makes it so I can easily drape a cloak over my back and go out into public as if I'm just a normal unicorn.
If all Alicorns can live a long time and that long time was calculated in Thousand Year periods that means Celestia and Luna would be around 15 years old or in other words 15,000 years old. Cadence is probably just a Fletchling being only a thousand or 2,000 years old. Opalescence is probably somewhere around 16 to 17,000 years old with her debut, but then we are trying to figure out how far apart G4 is from G5 and I don't want to get into that😂😅
If you read the scripts from early episodes, such as A Canterlot Wedding, they describe both Chrysalis and Cadence as a "PEGACORN." Alicorn was originally the magical element inside unicorn horns.
6:07 tbh I actually like this theory but I’ve always thought of them as challengings slipping up momentarily (since they’d often be switched back to normal scenes after)
About the “Luna was gifted tier 3” thing: Maybe when she was banished, she would have lost her alicorn magic while she was corrupted by Nightmare Moon, which means that could be the reason why she returned to tier 2
[FiM Season 4] We seen onscreen Nightmare Moon one-$hot Celestia with a beam mid-flight (who falls from high enough to d|e TWICE on impact). After a minute or two, she "regenerates" & her mane starts to flow again. [FiM Season 9] We see onscreen Cozy glow one-$hot Twilight d3ad with a beam (she falls from her throne, she does not move). More quickly, she wakes up completely intact & starts organizing a counter-attack. -> It is quite obvious that they both just lose one of their "9 lives" (if they were cats). [Make Your Mark] Opaline explicitly states that she is immortal (and that it is the duty of immortal alicorns to rule over their inferiors). Then she talks about Celestia & Luna being fillies alongside her from the same place of origin, but also having a "higher social status" than her (so they must be too immortal). -> One may argue that Nightmare Moon DID "di3d" when Celestia sent her to the Moon (but did not "regenerated" until freed from the "regolith prison"), hence not physically experiencing 1000 years of pain.
My headcanon is that it’s to do with magic like in a literal sense. I would say, actually, that twilight and sunny are almost on par. Their magic is the friendship magic, although neither have solidified their understanding of it in a theoretical way. Consider gen5 and how they discover ‘new’ types of magic. Not only does that open up possibility in gen5 but also implies that there were hidden/inaccessible types of magic in gen4. I noted that certain moments in gen5 are conclusive to friendship magic existing conceptually but them never addressing it (cause I’m not sure they actually have noticed it lol). My main point for this is the cutie marks- every one of the mane 5 in gen5 (original cast, not including misty), gets their cm’s in honestly very boring ways- no magic floaty stuff, it just appears, and then they go about their day I guess. One character we specifically see get their cutie mark because of the friendship she forms with others is misty. Her entire cutie mark is about growth and growing new friendships as that bought her to the current day. She has a vastly different cutie mark animation than the other ponies- she floats, glows- there’s an implication that this cutie mark is PARTICULARLY magic in its execution. The same can be said for the gen4 cutie mark crusaders. They get their marks as a sign of their desire to help people and, more importantly, they get them *as friends*. They, just like misty, float up and glow. Other instances of the glowing aura include twilight becoming an alicorn (unsurprising as she’s becoming the princess of magic) and EQG’s twilight and sunset battle fights (defeated by the power of friendship). I know the entire point of the show is friendship but things directly influenced by friendship have typically got a different animation than things just.. by nature or chance. When sunny transforms into an alicorn it’s because she wants to help her friends and she’s passionate about it. However as she was born an earth pony, and she’s still learning about friendship and its importance, Sunny can lose/gain the alicorn powers. Every time she gets them she has a glowing transformation. The reason the wings are golden is likely down to this ‘new’ magic that was released upon the unity crystals being bought back together, but I don’t think that the show gave us enough information to piece that together, or at least I’ve not watched it enough times over to be able to figure it out. As for PC and PL, I think as fillies they were unicorn/pegasus but early on were transferred the sun and moon powers, giving them their cutie marks due to ?? idk if it was starswirl who was raising and lowering the sun and moon but I guess he retired or died or something LOL, he also probably sensed some potential in them as celestial beings (he’s a magic man himself iirc, I’m sure he had some wild premonitions). Opaline? Yeah I don’t know, she’s pink and crazy, she could just be another one of those wild creatures like Tyrek or chrysalis but in horse form. I haven’t considered her but honestly as a character she’s pretty useless and just relies on misty to piss about. She could’ve very easily gotten rid of the unity crystals and gotten the dragon stone earlier in the g5 series but she just had to?? sit pretty and showcase possibly the most abusive tendencies I think my little pony has ever shown in terms of character development. Like, damn, not only was misty stolen from her home but she was just straight up verbally abused on a daily basis. Anyway, I’m convinced there’s some friendship magic Shazam somewhere and the cutie mark magic explains it.
I'm so glad someone finally pointed out Twilight becoming taller I just remembered a scene where she was walking next to Starlight and I first noticed: "Damn her neck is long-" From there on I noticed she shares that with the other royal alicorns we know
I think Alicorns are some kind of Demigods Very powerful but Not fully immortal (maybe) and not fully invincible and some requires fuel/source for ther powers like Opaline (although it might make more sense that it got stripped away and shes trying to get it back by dragonfire) And what i have seen through g4 they eat which means they require nutrition from food Which proves that they are not the biggest league in EQ
In the episode where twilight put on a show for celestia it was revealed that celestia's age was 1,111 at the time (fun facts you needed to remember:>)
No, it was the 1,111 anniversary of when she raised the sun for the first time. She's probably around that age, as I don't think Celestia was born raising the sun. I think it took some training.
I have a theory about Sunny being an Alicorn. Ok so everyone that we know as a full on alicorn was made because either they were born like that or someone made them an Alicorn, but with Sunny she was made an alicorn through magic and I’d argue the same with Sunset Shimmer. So maybe when magic makes them a sort of alicorn there’s a limit and that’s why both have magical wings and horn that can be turned off and on. So maybe it’s required that a mortal has to make them a full on alicorn or born as an alicorn?
2:38 Respectively essentially means… “Bob and Jack own a Dog and a Cat respectively” in this situation, bob owns a dog and Jack owns a cat. The order in both lists corresponds to eachother, if that makes any sense
Sunny isn't really an alicorn. She just so happens to absorb magic of all 3 pony major tribes from crystals and that is why she is able to get projections of wings and horn at times :P
Luna and Celestia more likely got their "alicorn status" from the fact that they could lower and raise the sun and moon. Whether it was born into them or if Pony Merlin saw two alicorns and decided to put them in charge of doing it, I dont really know becuase the lore in both shows contridict with each other and also the comics have their own lore.
Kudos to you for somehow making it work through the madness. I have basically accepted G5 as non-canon due to the supermassive amounts of retconning they do lmao
Also, in the episode "family appreciation day" it was shown that Princess celestia was the one who gave the apple family permission to create [settle down] in pony vile. And she looks the exact same asshe does in the present. While on the other hand granny smith grew old. Also granny smith is theoretically a 100 or so years old (her and her family found pony ville and according to twilight the winter wrap up was been a tradition in pony ville for 100 or so years)
I give you a A+ Everything what you said is a great theory about Alicorn's. Also, it's weird that Sunny doesn't like actually get wings and a horn they're just magic. 😅
I think its kind of like the British government. like, how Celestia and Luna are royalty and so are cadence and flurryheart. and twilight is like the prime minister, an extremely high rank. (i am so very sorry to the British people out there reading this comment, its just a metaphor)
In the journal of the two sisters. (Which i fo vonsider canon because twilight ginds that book in the show and quotes things that are actually in the book) They say that luna and celestia came from a TRIBE of alicors, or at least thats what they insinuate by saying "the alicorns" when talking about where they came from. So i think they really were born alicorns.
totally unrelated but right as you said please subscribe at the beginning, the button glowed rainbow and I honestly never noticed youtube brought a feature like that. I've seen it glow before but I must've simply thought it was set to random. nevermind my small surprise lol
Also, Twilight apparently DIDNT KNEW bout princess Mi Amore Candeza, even tho she KNEW Candance is an alicorn????? AND WHY WAS THE PRINCESS (Or just, AN ALICORN) BEING A BABYSITTER????
And in German, Trixie's Amulet is called the Unicorn amulet. (If you'd translate it 1.1 from German to English) Though in my eyes; in G4 they wasted absolutly everything of Flurry Heart's possible potential.
A Alcorn is just a pony with the three tribes different magic It's also why Cozy became a Alcorn after absorbing magic from the bell, it's why Sunny can temporarily become one via the unity crystals However there is also natural born ones like Opaline, Celestia and Luna
8/10 theory, tier 1 doesn’t make much sense since if it’s based on worthy ness, I’d argue Sunny would be above some of the ones in tier 2. Reuniting all 3 pony tribes and restoring magic is a lot more incredible than saving some town, or fixing an ancient unicorn’s random spell, but besides that everything else is great
Alicorns actually did have name before Season 4 (not Season 3, since the word was to refer to the Alicorn Amulet, not a race). Though it wasn't explicitly said in the show, they were in fact previously known simply as Winged Unicorns. Celestia never said Alicorns are never born. I respect that you said that Alicorns are PRESUMABLY immortal. I think it's more reasonable to use "allegedly" instead of "presumably", but that's just me. Cadance wasn't to sell new toys, it was so that they didn't have to scrap old toys. The original toys for Celestia were pink instead of white. So they rebranded those toys by making a new Alicorn, Cadance, who's pink. It's been canon since the G4 Season 10 Comics (which are canon based on lack of contradiction), that Celestia and Luna were born Alicorns, or at least Alicorns at a really young age. Alicorn isn't a rank. Princess is. It's most likely that Scootaloo is a Pegasus with underdeveloped wings. I don't recognize Sunny as being an Alicorn. I recognize her as having Alicorn magic that allows her that transformation. Because I'd argue that Sunny's accomplishments were above even Twilight and Cadance's. Twilight finished one of Starswirl's spells. Granted, she had to fix the spell because of how drastically that spell messed up. But all she did was fix someone else's problem. Cadance defeated an evil sorceress. But that proves that Twilight had to put more effort than Cadance did in earning her wings. Sunny started her journey with a single other pony who was herself an misfit, together while gaining a few friends, had reunited the Pony tribes and BROUGHT MAGIC BACK TO EQUESTRIA! What Sunny did should've put her on the same level as Celestia and Luna. Where do you get this idea that "Tier 3" Alicorns are invincible? Or have you forgotten the multiple times when they WEREN'T invincible? Series Premiere: The Mane 6 defeated Nightmare Moon with the Elements of Harmony, Nightmare Moon previously had abducted Celestia. Season 2 Finale: Chrysalis defeated Celestia thanks to the power she obtained by Shining Armor's love. Season 4 Premiere: Celestia and Luna were abducted by the Plunderseed Vines. Season 4 Finale: Twilight with the power of 4 Alicorns was in a stalemate with Tirek with the power of all pony magic. Season 5 (and onwords): Starlight has the power to manipulate and even remove cutie marks, including that of Twilight herself. Twilight wasn't "Tier 3" at the time, but if that's not Alicorn levels of power, I don't know what is. Hell, not even Alicorns can alter cutie marks. Season 6 Finale: Each of the Alicorns were replaced by Changelings. Season 9 Premiere: Sombra. He successfully took over Equestria. Sure, it was a short lived reign, but that success includes defeating all of the Alicorns save for Twilight, and destroying the Elements of Harmony. The Element didn't destroy Luna because they are not a weapon for destruction, plus there was no intent to destroy. Behind the scenes, Luna having a different design was just the artists wasn't to redesign her to be more like her sister. In universe, it's likely simply just the result of needing to recover her magic, since it's shown in a flashback that Luna had that flowing mane 1000 years ago. And it's canon that their manes don't flow when there isn't a surplus of magic. Their manes are in fact hair, despite having an ethereal appearance. Even if Opaline was lying about where she's from, it doesn't change what has been canonically established in G4. I'd rank this as being a C+. It's too well thought out to deserve an F, and it earns bonus points for creativity. But I'm not willing to give it a higher grade because of the lack of enough research as well as openly acknowledging that you are ignoring certain pieces of information that you know is there. It you didn't stick your fingers in your ears at the end, knowing that there is information you don't acknowledge, I would've been willing to give this a B or a B+.
0:12 wait really? No, I don’t remember that they waited till season 3 to mention the word Alicorn they had to have said it during season two at some point
I honestly don't know what makes people think is so "ludicrous" about Opaline's story or the idea of an alicorn civilization with born alicorns when we've been speculating about such since season 6! (Who remembers the Beginning of Harmony animation from Minty Root?) And now we're exploring it in canon! 😃
Wanna know? So,journal of two sisters,comic book,says that two sisters lived on Canterlot mount. Okay. The comic is not as Canon as show ,agree. But,in this comic idea was that Alicorns were living there and that sisters were original ones. But idea of journal wasn't born on blank place. In show ,season 4 I believe, Twilight found Journal of Two sisters ,where she read about childhood of Celestia and Luna in this castle. Which is near ponyvil. Not Canterlot, and of course not some mythical Skyros
Also,I personally, and there're people like me,really prefer Fluryheart to be first ever born Alicorn. But also,i just can't accept G5. Too many holes. Map showing that whole south of Equestria just under the sea now. Treehouse of harmony from 9th season of Friendship is magic turned into simple pink tree. Instead of it we have also trees of unity. That actually not like anything connected to tree of harmony.
@empireofengland6039 Hmmm. First part sounds like a reasonable concern. Though what's hard about wondering if the Sisters came from Skyros to Equestria as fillies to rule? Second part sounds like mere preference, if not outright whining that things are different from before and you can't (or don't wanna) draw a line from point A to B. Flooded Equestria?* Unity trees? Why not? Magic changed. Tree changed** (and that one from the movie might not be the same tree, just related). Tides rise, empires fall, time marches on, and now we're in a new age of unity, not the golden age of Twilight Sparkle. Put on your big boy (or big girl) pants and COPE. *(Where'd you get that idea btw? Thought the current Equestria was speculated to be on a mere small part of the continent, and in a different orientation too. Like maybe where Horseshoe Bay was on the original map, but fans have continued to argue and speculate.) **(And actually, Tree of Harmony in s9 acted very much like g5 unity trees when it was raised up and revived by the Young 6's friendship and unity. Like it was in fact a precursor to the the together trees, or an idea taken from g4 and expanded upon in g5! It was said that the tree would change and evolve according to the needs of the current age and people. What's the contradiction here?) Oh wait. . . You said "holes", not "contradictions". 😅 Like you're not denying the existence of plausible explanations for everything, but there are just so many unanswered questions and it's confusing to alot of us how g4 could've bridged into g5. (Though I did just provide some answers, and so did Spike in ch6! And who knows what other answers await us later on!) 😃 Either way, maybe if you found a way to enjoy and accept g5 for what it is, not for what it is not? It has helped others get over the hump of broken expectations.
i like to think that celestia and luna are the literal embodiment of the sun and moon so that could be why they a) where born alicorns as opaline claims or b)achieved the alicorn status at a very young age
@cxcd you forgot that at the end of the third Equestria girls movie when human world twilight becomes midnight sparkle sunset shimmer uses the same pendant to become the exact opposite of midnight sparkle and if "midnight sparkle" is technically an alicorn because pony vill twilight is then sunset shimmer being a good version of midnight sparkle as seen by the wings and horn with white clothes vs. midnight sparkle with the exact same features except purple and black clothing, then sunset is also an alicorn
My head cannon was that born alicorns are immortal and “created” alicorns were just powerful and deemed royal. Everything in the show proved this wrong but I still kinda think this is how it should’ve been lol
I can't remember which channel, but I remember that their was a video that starswirl created alicorns as they a combination of alicorn, pegasus and earth ponies. When Twilight finished the spell from Starswirl, I think it was transport, transform and something else. Starswirl likely came from the very begining of equestria and transformed luna and celestia into alicorns. I know there is a whole video on it and if you search up Starswirl created alicorns it is likely to come up. I never watched the g5 show but I believe that evil alicorn lied to gain sympathy in some sense. She also, possibly, became an alicorn early on, maybe, at a similar time to the sisters but were over shadowed by them. Perhaps after evil alicorn became corrupt, Starswirl created the dimension where celestia greets Twilight as a way to prevent the same thing happening twice. Celestia and Luna was probably never aware of her existence in the first place. Whether Skyros exits or a lie is unknown. Perhaps Starswirl created multiple alicorns, who created their own civilisation to watch the other ponies from afar, before forgetting their role. They are long living after all. Maybe, after they forgot their duty and forgotten by regular ponies they reverted to their original selves and died from old age because they were few and couldn't return to normal society so the city went to ruin.
Small theory, Idk if it works, but Luna and Celestia could be lying to us about how they were not born alicorns, to say that they did a great deed and were given a higher position, more revered by mortal ponies ( idk tho :D )
Originally it was the belief that Celestia and Luna were born alicorns. Then Cadance came along and it was explained that you could also become an alicorn via another alicorn granting you the power. (Celestia, in both cases for Cadance and Twilight.) THEN Flurry Came. And all that was tossed out the window via a single line from Luna. Suddenly it was retconned that Luna and Celestia had to become alicorns (i think this was eventually stated to have been done onto them by Starswirl..who..is not an Alicorn. So apparently a really strong unicorn can also just grant you the power?) And then G5 went and retconned the retcon by saying "Actually, Celestia and Luna WERE born alicorns! And not only that- but theres actually a whole population of alicorns!!" I personally choose to diregaurd G5's attempts to continue the lore. I think theres alot that doesnt make sense and it takes way to much streching on the part of the fans to try to make it. When Flurry was born some fans tried to claim that Celestia and Luna were born before Equestria was founded. And thats why Equestria specifically had never seen an alicorn birth. Some others tried the option of Celestia and Luna being made of the earth in a way, meaning they weren't 'born'. ....Ultimately the most clear alicorn hood ever was was after Twilight ascended and everyone just agreed to the idea that Alicorns *could* be born but were more often gifted. Also this comment is pointless. I just wanted to ramble.
I think Skyros is real because Opaline is a tier 2 alicorn and tier 2 alicorns can be born alicorns so Opaline is born an alicorn and she found Skyros. The being born an alicorn is strange and new to Celestia because Flurry Heart's mother, cadence is an artificial alicorn meaning an alicorn created by magic like Twilight making it possible to be born an alicorn but tier 3 alicorns except Twilight needs to grow their wings without magic. So, when Opaline discovered Skyros she got bullied for being an artificial alicorn, making her feel sad and starting her villain arch. This made her return to equestria and boss everypony around and turn evil. Skyros was created before equestria and leaders sent Celestia and Luna to help the ponies in equestria then the ponies in equestria became dependent on the alicorns and made Celestia and Luna stay in Equestria. Celestia becomes tiered and finds a replacement (aka. twilight). So Twilight removed magic from equestria and sealed Opaline away. In conclusion, I think Opaline is evil because she discovered Skyros and got bullied and became evil and Gen 5 makes sense. credits to this video ruclips.net/video/q3tk4YbdK90/видео.htmlsi=C0m3cvIH59EyOzln
Growing up i just assumed that Celestia and Luna werent born in Equestria and that's why they said a natural alicorn has never been born in equestria, but idk lmao
According to me G5 happens in period after the Ending of End but before the last problem. Lustet dawn still didnt born. Comic books always have contradictions ,so Canterlot is still alive. Of course it is. Twilight appears in g5 in her basic form. Everyone seems forgot her Alicorn long form. Or it hasnt happened yet. The only ones who speak about many years are crazy old pony claiming to be descendant of Moondancer,we dont know if she refers to G1,that might be possible,and Spike who slept many years.
When you list 2 things and then list 2 things about the aforementioned, people typically use the word "respectfully" to imply the order. "Celestia and Luna raises the sun and moon respectfully" Implies that Celestia raises the sun and Luna raises the Moon. I didn't look that up till 4 years after hearing the word lmfao, hope this helps ^-^
I Have A Mini Theory About Royalty Alicorns (Not Including Flurryheart) How I Came Up With It Was When I Was Coming Up With Storyline Ideas For My Alicorn OC Moonlight. But I Randomly Came Up With This. "But the best Alicorns have the strength of a earth pony, the determination of a pegasus and the heart of a unicorn" (said by Zecora) There Was Also A Part That I Couldn't Fit And Still Have It Make Sense But Ill Just Name The Traits . Strength Of An Earth Pony . Determination Of A Pegasus . Heart Of A Unicorn And The Leadership Of An Alicorn After i made it i noticed that in my 2am mind i had come up with traits that (Almost?) every Royalty alicorn has. No Clue If This Makes Sense Because I Have A Major Headache At The Moment But *Shrug*
I honestly feel, that Flurry Heart was Born an Alicorn Due to the fact For the common theme it took them so much time, to Lrarn magic And Flurry heart had so much power And the fact that In the glass of here she looked about the same age or younger then that Of Cadance when she used to babysit twilight. So She could been born alicorn due to her having to save others and have responsiabiltyes from a young age. Possibly
I just assumed there 8s an alicorn potential gene and it doesnt activate often ....... yeah didnt get much beyond that considering there had to be lots of cross breeding between earth ponies, pegasusez, and unicorns.
I feel like the G5 writers might have just forgotten or somehow didn't know what G4 said about alicorns. That's _my_ theory lol. Because having Luna and Celestia forget (?) that _they_ were born alicorns does not make sense. That or Opaline is lying, as you said. Which she is the villain, so... possible. I guess.
If Celestia and Luna were born alicorns, then how come they said that being born an alicorn has never happened before when Flurry Heart was introduced?
I think in supplement material it was stated that Celestia and Luna were born as unicorns, a d later became alicorns. Also im sorry, but someone has to say this. Sunny is a marry sue, it took twilight a few seasons of learning and finishing one of starswirls spells to become one. Sunny just...what, gets it in her debut? She never even bothers studying magic after she gets it.
id say this is a B+, you miss some things (which you mention, getting you an extra point) however you connected ever point you brought up wonderfully (did i successfully make it sound like i know what im doing????)
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I never realized Twilight got slowly taller each season after season 3. I always thought she just got taller after her ascension and stayed like that until the time skip 😭 I’m gonna rethink my whole life now
She didn’t only get taller once as soon as getting wings, then way taller in the epilogue?
Same...
No way! I onlu realized her horn was a little longer...
@@robertstream3683 You're correct. Twilight's alicorn model is unchanged until the final ep. You can readily compare her stark differences to Pinkie/Rarity as they stand in a row during season 4's "Bats!" when Fluttershy sings, "if I did not defend them, then I would be remiss."
Her neck is elongated, chest is pushed out a little more, horn longer, sternum is lengthened very slightly, her radius/ulna bones are elongated, and her hooves are resultingly slightly larger.
She doesn't 'grow a few centimeters' every season. I didn't know Equestria used the metric system, nor how he would know the exact length of anything to compare. Horses are measured in hands. I would say twilight is a full hand taller than the standard female model. Rarity's horn tip ends at the same height alicorn Twilight's ears begin.
how tall is flurryheart going to be bro
Sawtooth Waves probably had the best theory in regards to what makes an alicorn.
The theory follows: There is nothing special about becoming an alicorn, they are not born out of some great deed or divine birthright. The requirement to ascending is simply for a pony to directly receive magic of all three tribes at once. Every single case in the series can be argued to fulfill that condition.
Twilight:
>When the Elements synchronized with her to undo the spell, some of the M6 magic must have gone into her, triggering ascension.
Cadance (this one's the toughest):
>The way she became an alicorn was by defeating an evil unicorn called Prismia who possessed an amulet that was leeching the love out of the town Cadance lived in. The book says that the reason why Cadance, a Pegasus, could defeat Prismia was because the amulet, now full of love, was amplifying Cadance's own abilities.
>Love in Equestria, as shown by Changelings and Cadance herself, is literally magic.
>Cadance, after defeating Prismia, made her see the light of day and become a better pony.
>The theory goes that the moment Prismia changed her ways, her love was also siphoned into the pendant, which would then hold the love/magic of Earth Ponies and a Unicorn, which upon amplifying Cadance's abilities, would also end up fulfilling the conditions for ascension.
>PS: the reason why it happened to Cadance and not Prismia is probably because Cadance's love is "undrainable" (or at least very hard to drain), otherwise there'd be no reason for Chrysalis to munch on Shining instead of just Cadance.
Cozy Glow
>Grogar's Bell could have traces of Earth Pony and Unicorn magic inside it, which Cozy would have absorbed alongside Discord's magic.
Sunny:
>Became one when in direct contact with crystals literally containing all of the magic of each tribe in them.
Celestia, Luna, Flurry Heart and Opaline:
>All presumably born from other alicorns, who would already have the magic of all three tribes in them.
Came here to comment this. It's a shame what they did, they had some great theories. Condolences goes to the victim
I don't think that Celestia and Luna born. Sorry,but i G5 has really a lot of flaws when it's tries connect to G4. Celestia and Luna being born this way indeed was original idea of Lauren Faust. Yet that idea never was in the show. Idea of them being born Alicorns was once again in Journal of Two sisters. Yet there again a lot of contradictions. For example Luna and Celestia living on Canterlot mount in childhood is completely wrong,because in series while Twilight reads og journal in the series,according to Celestia ,they lived in Castle of Two sisters. That's completely different from this comic book. And of course from G5. While Opaline invented some kind of land Named Skyros,it's not Castle of Two sisters. Or ,then creators need to say,That this part of Equestria named Skyros.
@@ohsovague What uh. What happened to Sawtooth.
@@AstralArbourSys they were weird with a minor
@@shaaaaaaaaarrrrrkdidn’t he try to SA them too? Well that’s what I remember from the controversy at least
As far as we know the only non alicorn that had lived for so long was Granny Smith (hundreds of years old) as we know for a fact that:
1 she helped in creation of Ponyville
2 ponies of Ponyville have been practicing Winter Wrapup for hundreds of years (as told by Twilight)
i like to think that earth ponies are able to live longer, seeing as they have heightened physical abilities. or Granny Smith is a chad pony who lived for 300+ years
@@dairyblitzit's wayyyy funnier to think about granny smith just have a ridiculously long life lol
Granny Smith is just way older then any other pony and lives through sheer willpower
I always viewed ponyville as a new village, not an ancient one. Ponyville was established when Granny was a young child, had her son late in life and then raised her grandkids. Considering canterlot’s and manehatten’s view of ponyville, they made it seem like the frontier. Say Granny arrived in founded Ponyville at five, took over the family farm in late 20s to 30s, had Bright Macintosh between 30s to 40s, and saw BM married 50s to 60s. That would put her between 80 and 90 when the series starts, and the gen 4 took place over the course of 2 - 3 years (I would say longer, the the Cakes kids are throwing me off).
@@Corvid_Collector And/or spite
I refuse to believe G5 is the same universe as G4. Instead G5 is an AU or different timeline of G4.
I personally just refuse to believe that g5 exists.
@@Kathryn012same
@@Kathryn012Ya idk what they did with that show but I can’t even bring myself to finish the show. I originally gave it a shot because I love mlp friendship is magic, but no it’s bad. The characters are unoriginal, the stylistic design of the show is cheap looking, and the storyline is weird. This reminds me of the DreamWorks Dragon The Nine Realms. They did the same thing.
@@BlinkArmy4 its so disappointing with the art style 😭 I draw mlp stuff every once in a while (I like doing art style studies) and when I figured out it looked like g5 I got very upset 😭😭
@@Kathryn012 same lol
I heard this second hand so I don’t know if it’s true, but apparently Cadence was just a Unicorn in the original draft of A Canterlot Wedding (though still referred to as a princess, like with Princess Blueblood in The Best Night Ever). At around the same time Hasbro had produced a bunch of pink Celestia toys (can’t remember why they did that or even thought it was a good idea) but no one was buying them because of the inaccuracy colour. So they produced Celestia toys with the accurate white colour which did sell, but now had a ton of the pink version laying around. One change to the script of A Canterlot Wedding later, and they could now repurpose the pink Celestia toys as Princess Cadence toys.
Edit: I know Cadence was originally a Pegasus in the lore. What I’m saying is that I heard Cadence was originally a Unicorn Princess in early concepts, but she was changed to being a Alicorn so they could sell pink Alicorn toys.
Looking at the early Cadence toys that makes a ton of sense
Cadence was originally a Pegasus then got turned into a alicorn
@@Liviexe.stoppedworking They’re talking about Cadence in the development of the show, not her back story in the show itself.
@@colorbar.s The very early Cadence figures and the larger pink Celestia figures do look very similar. At the very least they used the same mold for a few of the them.
1) pink celestia sold very well 2) Cadance has the luna mold, not Celestia's 3) Pink celestia has a completely different pink body colour 4) there is literally a set of pink celestia and cadance together 😭
There's one Cadance that does have Celestia's mold but the plastic colour is so vastly different it's physically impossible for them to be the same toy repurposed. Unless you're implying they painted over it which.. they obviously did not. It's also a talking toy with cadance's voice, they did not somehow replace celestia voice lines in an already finished toy 😭 This story is just someone's nonsensical theory, it makes no actual sense
Personally my headcanon is that even though there were baby Alicorns before Flurry, they were never born naturally. Where instead of the birds and the bees, they were just spawned into existence by some higher power. It would also explain why we've never seen any male Alicorns
Big Mac disagrees 👀
@@CrystalClear5617Big Mac for Princess
Big Mac for princess
Skyros is outside of equestria meaning that Celestia, luna and Opaline are actually boarn alicorn note the part where she said the birth has never been seen in EQUESTRIA
Journal of Two sisters ,that was read by Twilight Sparkle in G4 says that both sisters were living in Castle of Two sisters as flies. Unless this Skyros,and it's not,I won't believe a word from that.
The writers were definitely not thinking that much into it when they made that line
@@AstralArbourSys yeah they defentatly forgot about the castle of the two sisters
Everyone always forgets Luna’s line right after: “It is beyond even our understanding.”
@@empireofengland6039 The 'Journal of the Two Sisters' book actually says that they lived in Canterlot as fillies, and built the Castle of the Two Sisters as the journal was being written (only deciding to build it in the Everfree Forest because the Tree of Harmony was there lol). Still doesn't explain the Skyros thing, unless they lived in Skyros as babies and moved to Canterlot as fillies and THEN built the Castle of the Two Sisters and THEN moved back to Canterlot... HASBRO FIX YOUR STORY
0:43 Let's remember, G5 creators barely looked into G4 lore at all so we probably shouldn't take evidence from that
I literally refuse to acknowledge G5 😭
@@cammies7365 AGREED
that explains a lot
I've heard that apparently they couldn't use g4 material because Discovery owns part of the fim series until March 2025. That's why after the movie everything went downhill, why Twilight's model, the map, the dragons and all of that is different. To avoid legal issues
@@cammies7365 same
Going off of Sawtooth Waves’s theory here:
Celestia: Alicorn of older sisterhood
Luna: Alicorn of younger sisterhood
Cadence: Alicorn of love for one’s partner and children
Twilight: Alicorn of Friendship
Flurry: Alicorn of love for one’s parents
Love for one’s parents is the only feeling of love you gain at birth, hence why Flurry is an Alicorn from birth. She has a mastered understanding of her kind of love from the start.
I like the part of the theory about the unicorns with wings/Pegasus with a horn, it gives us more things to think about.
me too
I like the theory that all an alicorn is the combined magic of an earth pony, unicorn, and pegasus
I always thought that Twilight became tall in the epilogue because alicorns grow for longer than mortals.
Accepted. Although if Scootaloo is an Earth Pony, why can she walk on clouds? Doesn't that prove she's a Pegasus whose magic didn't fully develop, so she can't control weather or fly, but she can still walk on clouds?
I too see the random alicorns as not animation errors, but my theory is genetic chimerism! Sometimes 2 fetuses will merge together, and result in one individual with different genetic makeup in different parts of their body. It would make more sense if these "false alicorns" had patches of different colored fur like you see in real life chimeras, but hey we're talking about magic horses here it doesn't have to be realistic.
I always thought that flurry heart was born an alicorn because her father was a unicorn and cadence was originally a Pegasus
that’s not how that works 😭 ponies with parents of two different types just end up as one of the types
The theory I've heard from some other channel (forget who) that said that in order to become an alicorn, one must find their purpose/destiny (similar to a cutie mark, but on a more world-changing level). Every adult alicorn in G4 has a title of some kind, as "Princess of X". For example Celestia is princess of the sun, Luna is princess of the moon, Twilight is princess of friendship, and Cadance is princess of love (of one's spouse). That could imply that Flurry Heart is also a princess of love (of one's parents).
In universe, this could just be a how parents may teach their foals about alicorns, and is a bit more complicated than just "doing something world-changing", as another commenter on this video pointed out Sawtooth's theory about all pony kind's magic being present to facilitate the ascension. I think that both of these theories could be combined as such: A pony has to figure out their destiny, and once all race's magic is present, they can begin the transformation; perhaps an existing alicorn must be present as well.
Random thing that I was just reminded of is how every "canon" Alicorn is royal and also female. While Blueblood is considered royalty, he is only a unicorn and not an alicorn.
nah flurry heart is the princess of merchandise
IMO, I think regarding "Tier Zero," I suspect plenty of ponies probably identity as other tribes and may wear prostheses.
My headcanon is that Celestia is particularly supportive of this (explaining how we have royal guard alicorns in particular) and facilitates their chosen appearance through the royal guard armor enchantments. (Its heavily implied that enchantments to homogenize guard appearance exists, seeing as so many guards look the same, and we also get the otherwise inexplicable Bat Pony Rainbow Dash in that one alternate timeline)
And in regards to ponies like Scootaloo, I don't think she's specifically an Earth Pony, but that the line between the tribes is just... kinda vague in the first place.
My headcanon is that ponies have three kinds of magic: Cutie Mark Magic, Nature Magic, and some sort of Actualization Magic.
Cutie Mark is obvious- its their talent.
Nature Magic is more nebulous, but its basically the Passive Bonus ponies get- precognition, naturesense, animal speak, cloudwalking, weathersense and I'd even include standard telekenesis, as that's the natural means through which Unicorns interface with the heavenly bodies. (a responsibility totally foregone due to the presence of alicorns in Equestria)
Then there's the active effects- namely flight, weather control and arcane powers.
So where does this leave Earth Ponies?
People call them the "Have Nots," but IMO they're the ones who are totally free from the bindings of their tribe.
I think Earth Ponies basically get a second talent, like Pinkie's Fourth Wall powers, or AJ and her Lasso, or many Earth Ponies and their Super Strength.
It just seems lame because most ponies have very little raw magical potential and boring talents to begin with. They're like someone with boring superpowers in a world of superheroes.
But look at a pony like Fluttershy- she's technically a Pegasus, but her Actualized magic is split between Pegasus-based talents and her [STARE]. (Which we know isn't related to her animal-based Cutie Mark talent because it works on sapient beings)
If you take her out of the context of forcing her onto the Pegasus box, she's actually full of raw potential, as we can see when she becomes Flutterbat, and all of her magic becomes aligned into a single purpose. (Insert metaphor for trauma/neurodivergence here)
Scootaloo's problem is that she isn't that she has unfocused magic, but that she seems to legitimately be deficient of Actualization magic specifically.
Scootaloo has a very special Cutie Mark and, unlike with Fluttershy, whose passive Cloudwalking seems to be disruptable under sufficient duress, Scootaloo is completely surefooted in Pegasus structures, so she can't be an Earth Pony.
Bulk Biceps got in the Wonderbolt Reserves, so we also know wing size is irrelevant, and if it were a mechanical issue, transfiguration exists. It HAS to be a specific component of magic related to flight that's the issue.
And bringing this back to Alicorns, the raw potential of Earth Ponies IMO is instrumental in exactly why Alicorns are so powerful. The default settings of ponies is an attunement to the world and are brimming with raw potential, and as essentially lower case gods, they can also fullfill the mastery of the sky and stars without running out of magic.
That means they have all this extra, raw energy, and unlike most Earth Ponies, they aren't usually relegated to rather mild mannered talents and interests.
Twilight became an alicorn under the idea specifically that she created new magic, according to Celestia. She specifically demonstrated the agency to direct and control power when presented with the opportunity.
She also had affinity with Friendship, which isn't just a nice thing, but a genuine, powerful force of nature in this world.
Which leads me to my last point- Alicorns are ArchElementals, which subsume the entirety of whatever thing it is they are about.
Honestly, unless you're super careful, they're kinda very prone to evil, basically.
Celestia takes over the ENTIRE natural duty of the unicorn tribe, for one. Opaline took over all dragon magic. Cadence's Cutie Mark is literally the Crystal Heart, and then the whole Nightmare Moon thing.
Twilight took the throne, and Cozy Glow was briefly Triarch. Even Flurry Heart briefly threatened the kingdom while being younger than a sport season.
Good or Bad, Alicorns take over. Sunny is the only exception, and she's also the only one that only is an alicorn when actualizing an explicit cause. Heck if we know if its even canon, but it does support this idea that the Alicorn state is inherently corruptive and must be tempered by love and friendship. (Remember points like the Alicorn Amulet, the potion Zecora gives Twilight that needs "Alicorn Magic" etc)
In theory, if an alicorn were to ascend, everything related to their talent in all of Equestria (and beyond?) seems to bend to centralize onto their talent.
The world apparently needs a Dream Guardian now that Luna is back, and the world has this whole diplomatic shift as Equestria gets this Friendship princess.
And we know how Equestrian society radically shifted when the Sun Princess basically freed a third of the population from "giv[ing] up their magic" to move the sun. (though that just makes sense, logistically)
Lord knows what happened because of Cadence, but she came onto the scene +15-20 years before the show started, at least.
dude you just wrote an entire video script in my comments lmao.
bro is onto nothing
I have a theory that sawtoothwave help put together in one of his videos. Alicorns created new magic that only them can will, Celestia the sun by herself, Luna the moon and the dream realm, Cadance with romantic love, Flurry familiar love and Twilight with magic so the reason Sunny isn’t a full on alicorns is because she didn’t create new magic but brought back magic ones forgotten and the crystals “made” her a alicorn to stand as a figure of unity and harmony much like twilight was.
G5 makes no sense so I don’t include it because I refuse to accept it💀
I think there are alicorns in Skyros who were born like this, but if they want they can make a pony become an alicorn like Candence and Twilight, but there is another case that is like a demi-god, for example: Cozy glow and Sunny(and effect of Sunny is precisely to show the difference precisely to do with their mark of Hope) who became alicorns because of the magic, but if the magic disappears they lose this part of the alicorn, which is different from Candence when she lost her magic in end of the fourth season and remained an alicorn
In the first episode of FiM, the storybook depicts Celestia and Luna 1000 years prior to FiM's time period. Not only are Celestia and Luna depicted as ethereal beings living in the sky, but the ponies are depicted sleeping outdoors and frolicking in fenced in pens like... HORSES! These ...horses... appear too primitive to be the source of Celestia and Luna's knowledge of magic, so it makes sense that they studied magic in an advanced ethereal place like Skyros.
The problem is, if Celestia and Luna were born alicorns, why is Celestia confident she can teach Twilight to become an alicorn, and is shocked when an alicorn is born in Equestria? A possible head-canon-ish explaination is Skyros is a god-factory where Celestia was trained to bring knowledge and magic to Equestria (which would explain why Equestria seemed so primitive in the first episode storybook, perhaps they were mere horses before Celestia and Luna arrived) and trained to create new alicorns like Twilight to take over in due time. Perhaps Equestria is only one of many worlds Skyros "seeded" with knowledge and magic.
My Theory: humans and animals can have genetic differences according to their blood types and DNA. Celestia, Luna and Opalescence, were born Alicorns because they had a higher DNA chance to get both wings and a horn, along with magic for both their wings and Horn. They earned their true alicorn status when they lifted the Sun, Moon, and fire, respectively (I don't think Celestia moves the sun I think she rotates the planet)
I would place Scootaloo and flurry heart in the same category, although technically they should be in different categories (the background Alicorns are animation airs) I agree with Scootaloo being an earth pony with wings, because some people can have genetics that give them extra fingers they can move around, which is basically the same with Scootaloo, she just doesn't have the magic behind her wings. This is where things get complicated, flurry heart is a born alicorn, but is she really an alicorn? You can have wings and you can have magic to control those wings, but you're not an Alicorn till you earn your place. Unicorn Fillies and Colts have trouble controlling their magic, if you add Pegasus Magic on top of that of course unicorn magic is going to be stronger, but what makes you an alicorn is having earth pony magic too, I don't think flurry heart has earth pony magic. Why don't we throw sunny in here too, due to Sunny getting her Alicorn Magic from gemstones and not from the alicorns themselves, she only gained the magic not the wings and the horn thus her ability to get rid of her wings and Horn at will.
Alicorn height is due to age and power level, the flowing mane can contribute more to power level, whereas the height of the pony can contribute more to their age. but this doesn't have to be the case, they can be swapped. With Luna she had a decent portion of her power stripped I believe at one point she was as tall or taller than her sister (controlling the dream realm is no easy feat) with Twilight, she gained her power over time and she was also given power from Celestia and Luna which could easily make Twilight as tall or taller than Celestia (some royalty in Canterlot are tall, this could be too due to genetics or power level not age) Cadence is an oddball. I think that's everyone, except for me, for some reason my age and power level go directly to my wavy mane (I need to update my profile) this makes it so I can easily drape a cloak over my back and go out into public as if I'm just a normal unicorn.
If all Alicorns can live a long time and that long time was calculated in Thousand Year periods that means Celestia and Luna would be around 15 years old or in other words 15,000 years old.
Cadence is probably just a Fletchling being only a thousand or 2,000 years old.
Opalescence is probably somewhere around 16 to 17,000 years old with her debut, but then we are trying to figure out how far apart G4 is from G5 and I don't want to get into that😂😅
If you read the scripts from early episodes, such as A Canterlot Wedding, they describe both Chrysalis and Cadence as a "PEGACORN." Alicorn was originally the magical element inside unicorn horns.
6:07 tbh I actually like this theory but I’ve always thought of them as challengings slipping up momentarily (since they’d often be switched back to normal scenes after)
Yet another good theory!
About the “Luna was gifted tier 3” thing: Maybe when she was banished, she would have lost her alicorn magic while she was corrupted by Nightmare Moon, which means that could be the reason why she returned to tier 2
Opaline did say Alicorns are immortal.
[FiM Season 4] We seen onscreen Nightmare Moon one-$hot Celestia with a beam mid-flight (who falls from high enough to d|e TWICE on impact). After a minute or two, she "regenerates" & her mane starts to flow again.
[FiM Season 9] We see onscreen Cozy glow one-$hot Twilight d3ad with a beam (she falls from her throne, she does not move).
More quickly, she wakes up completely intact & starts organizing a counter-attack.
-> It is quite obvious that they both just lose one of their "9 lives" (if they were cats).
[Make Your Mark] Opaline explicitly states that she is immortal (and that it is the duty of immortal alicorns to rule over their inferiors). Then she talks about Celestia & Luna being fillies alongside her from the same place of origin, but also having a "higher social status" than her (so they must be too immortal).
-> One may argue that Nightmare Moon DID "di3d" when Celestia sent her to the Moon (but did not "regenerated" until freed from the "regolith prison"), hence not physically experiencing 1000 years of pain.
My headcanon is that it’s to do with magic like in a literal sense. I would say, actually, that twilight and sunny are almost on par. Their magic is the friendship magic, although neither have solidified their understanding of it in a theoretical way.
Consider gen5 and how they discover ‘new’ types of magic. Not only does that open up possibility in gen5 but also implies that there were hidden/inaccessible types of magic in gen4.
I noted that certain moments in gen5 are conclusive to friendship magic existing conceptually but them never addressing it (cause I’m not sure they actually have noticed it lol). My main point for this is the cutie marks- every one of the mane 5 in gen5 (original cast, not including misty), gets their cm’s in honestly very boring ways- no magic floaty stuff, it just appears, and then they go about their day I guess. One character we specifically see get their cutie mark because of the friendship she forms with others is misty. Her entire cutie mark is about growth and growing new friendships as that bought her to the current day. She has a vastly different cutie mark animation than the other ponies- she floats, glows- there’s an implication that this cutie mark is PARTICULARLY magic in its execution. The same can be said for the gen4 cutie mark crusaders. They get their marks as a sign of their desire to help people and, more importantly, they get them *as friends*. They, just like misty, float up and glow.
Other instances of the glowing aura include twilight becoming an alicorn (unsurprising as she’s becoming the princess of magic) and EQG’s twilight and sunset battle fights (defeated by the power of friendship). I know the entire point of the show is friendship but things directly influenced by friendship have typically got a different animation than things just.. by nature or chance.
When sunny transforms into an alicorn it’s because she wants to help her friends and she’s passionate about it. However as she was born an earth pony, and she’s still learning about friendship and its importance, Sunny can lose/gain the alicorn powers. Every time she gets them she has a glowing transformation. The reason the wings are golden is likely down to this ‘new’ magic that was released upon the unity crystals being bought back together, but I don’t think that the show gave us enough information to piece that together, or at least I’ve not watched it enough times over to be able to figure it out.
As for PC and PL, I think as fillies they were unicorn/pegasus but early on were transferred the sun and moon powers, giving them their cutie marks due to ?? idk if it was starswirl who was raising and lowering the sun and moon but I guess he retired or died or something LOL, he also probably sensed some potential in them as celestial beings (he’s a magic man himself iirc, I’m sure he had some wild premonitions).
Opaline? Yeah I don’t know, she’s pink and crazy, she could just be another one of those wild creatures like Tyrek or chrysalis but in horse form. I haven’t considered her but honestly as a character she’s pretty useless and just relies on misty to piss about. She could’ve very easily gotten rid of the unity crystals and gotten the dragon stone earlier in the g5 series but she just had to?? sit pretty and showcase possibly the most abusive tendencies I think my little pony has ever shown in terms of character development. Like, damn, not only was misty stolen from her home but she was just straight up verbally abused on a daily basis.
Anyway, I’m convinced there’s some friendship magic Shazam somewhere and the cutie mark magic explains it.
I'm so glad someone finally pointed out Twilight becoming taller
I just remembered a scene where she was walking next to Starlight and I first noticed: "Damn her neck is long-"
From there on I noticed she shares that with the other royal alicorns we know
The alicorns never made sense to me, someday Im hoping to be able to read all the comics in hopes I have an easier time understanding 😅
I think Alicorns are some kind of Demigods
Very powerful but Not fully immortal (maybe) and not fully invincible and some requires fuel/source for ther powers like Opaline (although it might make more sense that it got stripped away and shes trying to get it back by dragonfire)
And what i have seen through g4 they eat which means they require nutrition from food
Which proves that they are not the biggest league in EQ
I don’t think eating proves mortality. Sometimes immortals want to eat just to enjoy themselves, like when Discord eats.
In the episode where twilight put on a show for celestia it was revealed that celestia's age was 1,111 at the time (fun facts you needed to remember:>)
Also I haven't watched the whole show, just a few episodes every now and then, I just happened to remember the episode
No, it was the 1,111 anniversary of when she raised the sun for the first time. She's probably around that age, as I don't think Celestia was born raising the sun. I think it took some training.
I have a theory about Sunny being an Alicorn. Ok so everyone that we know as a full on alicorn was made because either they were born like that or someone made them an Alicorn, but with Sunny she was made an alicorn through magic and I’d argue the same with Sunset Shimmer. So maybe when magic makes them a sort of alicorn there’s a limit and that’s why both have magical wings and horn that can be turned off and on. So maybe it’s required that a mortal has to make them a full on alicorn or born as an alicorn?
damn, i did not think any form of media could get as confusing as the Zelda timeline, or star wars lore.
2:38 Respectively essentially means…
“Bob and Jack own a Dog and a Cat respectively” in this situation, bob owns a dog and Jack owns a cat. The order in both lists corresponds to eachother, if that makes any sense
Sunny isn't really an alicorn. She just so happens to absorb magic of all 3 pony major tribes from crystals and that is why she is able to get projections of wings and horn at times :P
I never thought of it that way
@@StinkBugWizard well, that's literally what happened in the movie
Luna and Celestia more likely got their "alicorn status" from the fact that they could lower and raise the sun and moon. Whether it was born into them or if Pony Merlin saw two alicorns and decided to put them in charge of doing it, I dont really know becuase the lore in both shows contridict with each other and also the comics have their own lore.
Kudos to you for somehow making it work through the madness. I have basically accepted G5 as non-canon due to the supermassive amounts of retconning they do lmao
Also, in the episode "family appreciation day" it was shown that Princess celestia was the one who gave the apple family permission to create [settle down] in pony vile. And she looks the exact same asshe does in the present. While on the other hand granny smith grew old. Also granny smith is theoretically a 100 or so years old (her and her family found pony ville and according to twilight the winter wrap up was been a tradition in pony ville for 100 or so years)
I give you a A+
Everything what you said is a great theory about Alicorn's.
Also, it's weird that Sunny doesn't like actually get wings and a horn they're just magic. 😅
I think its kind of like the British government. like, how Celestia and Luna are royalty and so are cadence and flurryheart. and twilight is like the prime minister, an extremely high rank. (i am so very sorry to the British people out there reading this comment, its just a metaphor)
In the journal of the two sisters. (Which i fo vonsider canon because twilight ginds that book in the show and quotes things that are actually in the book) They say that luna and celestia came from a TRIBE of alicors, or at least thats what they insinuate by saying "the alicorns" when talking about where they came from. So i think they really were born alicorns.
So basically…
Tier3: GOD
Tier2: Demi-GOD
Tier1: Mortal…
Tier0: False GOD
I also think that sunset was a teir one temporary alicorn in the friendship games.
She does become an alicorn temporarily in friendship games
totally unrelated but right as you said please subscribe at the beginning, the button glowed rainbow and I honestly never noticed youtube brought a feature like that. I've seen it glow before but I must've simply thought it was set to random. nevermind my small surprise lol
Probably because we are in June and it's pride month?
I like your explanation of all coins. Best I’ve ever heard I give it an AAA plus.🍪🍪
9:02 I never noticed that before, but it makes so much sense. Btw. I appreciate the effort you put in your videos, keep it going!
Also, Twilight apparently DIDNT KNEW bout princess Mi Amore Candeza, even tho she KNEW Candance is an alicorn????? AND WHY WAS THE PRINCESS (Or just, AN ALICORN) BEING A BABYSITTER????
And in German, Trixie's Amulet is called the Unicorn amulet. (If you'd translate it 1.1 from German to English)
Though in my eyes; in G4 they wasted absolutly everything of Flurry Heart's possible potential.
I mean moons could technically be months but that would 80 years and that wouldn’t make that much sense???
I think it’s years. I think thats cooler.
A Alcorn is just a pony with the three tribes different magic
It's also why Cozy became a Alcorn after absorbing magic from the bell, it's why Sunny can temporarily become one via the unity crystals
However there is also natural born ones like Opaline, Celestia and Luna
Luna and Celestia must have had memory loss after arriving in Equestria, it'd make sense
8/10 theory, tier 1 doesn’t make much sense since if it’s based on worthy ness, I’d argue Sunny would be above some of the ones in tier 2. Reuniting all 3 pony tribes and restoring magic is a lot more incredible than saving some town, or fixing an ancient unicorn’s random spell, but besides that everything else is great
Don't forget that in that one episode (Horse play) we learn that it's been 1111 years since Celestia raised the sun on her own for the first time
If Skyros is Fake... why is the a tapestry about it?
Hasbro: Sure, shut up and buy our toys
Genuinely you got n A for this is the best way that any has explained alcorns
Alicorns actually did have name before Season 4 (not Season 3, since the word was to refer to the Alicorn Amulet, not a race). Though it wasn't explicitly said in the show, they were in fact previously known simply as Winged Unicorns.
Celestia never said Alicorns are never born.
I respect that you said that Alicorns are PRESUMABLY immortal. I think it's more reasonable to use "allegedly" instead of "presumably", but that's just me.
Cadance wasn't to sell new toys, it was so that they didn't have to scrap old toys. The original toys for Celestia were pink instead of white. So they rebranded those toys by making a new Alicorn, Cadance, who's pink.
It's been canon since the G4 Season 10 Comics (which are canon based on lack of contradiction), that Celestia and Luna were born Alicorns, or at least Alicorns at a really young age.
Alicorn isn't a rank. Princess is.
It's most likely that Scootaloo is a Pegasus with underdeveloped wings.
I don't recognize Sunny as being an Alicorn. I recognize her as having Alicorn magic that allows her that transformation. Because I'd argue that Sunny's accomplishments were above even Twilight and Cadance's. Twilight finished one of Starswirl's spells. Granted, she had to fix the spell because of how drastically that spell messed up. But all she did was fix someone else's problem. Cadance defeated an evil sorceress. But that proves that Twilight had to put more effort than Cadance did in earning her wings. Sunny started her journey with a single other pony who was herself an misfit, together while gaining a few friends, had reunited the Pony tribes and BROUGHT MAGIC BACK TO EQUESTRIA! What Sunny did should've put her on the same level as Celestia and Luna.
Where do you get this idea that "Tier 3" Alicorns are invincible? Or have you forgotten the multiple times when they WEREN'T invincible? Series Premiere: The Mane 6 defeated Nightmare Moon with the Elements of Harmony, Nightmare Moon previously had abducted Celestia. Season 2 Finale: Chrysalis defeated Celestia thanks to the power she obtained by Shining Armor's love. Season 4 Premiere: Celestia and Luna were abducted by the Plunderseed Vines. Season 4 Finale: Twilight with the power of 4 Alicorns was in a stalemate with Tirek with the power of all pony magic. Season 5 (and onwords): Starlight has the power to manipulate and even remove cutie marks, including that of Twilight herself. Twilight wasn't "Tier 3" at the time, but if that's not Alicorn levels of power, I don't know what is. Hell, not even Alicorns can alter cutie marks. Season 6 Finale: Each of the Alicorns were replaced by Changelings. Season 9 Premiere: Sombra. He successfully took over Equestria. Sure, it was a short lived reign, but that success includes defeating all of the Alicorns save for Twilight, and destroying the Elements of Harmony.
The Element didn't destroy Luna because they are not a weapon for destruction, plus there was no intent to destroy.
Behind the scenes, Luna having a different design was just the artists wasn't to redesign her to be more like her sister. In universe, it's likely simply just the result of needing to recover her magic, since it's shown in a flashback that Luna had that flowing mane 1000 years ago. And it's canon that their manes don't flow when there isn't a surplus of magic. Their manes are in fact hair, despite having an ethereal appearance.
Even if Opaline was lying about where she's from, it doesn't change what has been canonically established in G4.
I'd rank this as being a C+. It's too well thought out to deserve an F, and it earns bonus points for creativity. But I'm not willing to give it a higher grade because of the lack of enough research as well as openly acknowledging that you are ignoring certain pieces of information that you know is there. It you didn't stick your fingers in your ears at the end, knowing that there is information you don't acknowledge, I would've been willing to give this a B or a B+.
Jesus christ
@@Cxcd I'm assuming that reaction is because of the essay length comment. Would you believe that it was cut down from the original length?
Ponies are pokemon confirmed
0:12 wait really? No, I don’t remember that they waited till season 3 to mention the word Alicorn they had to have said it during season two at some point
Scootaloo is definitely a Pegasus since she can walk on clouds, but her wings never developed cause one of her parents is an earth pony
I honestly don't know what makes people think is so "ludicrous" about Opaline's story or the idea of an alicorn civilization with born alicorns when we've been speculating about such since season 6! (Who remembers the Beginning of Harmony animation from Minty Root?) And now we're exploring it in canon! 😃
Wanna know? So,journal of two sisters,comic book,says that two sisters lived on Canterlot mount. Okay. The comic is not as Canon as show ,agree. But,in this comic idea was that Alicorns were living there and that sisters were original ones. But idea of journal wasn't born on blank place. In show ,season 4 I believe, Twilight found Journal of Two sisters ,where she read about childhood of Celestia and Luna in this castle. Which is near ponyvil. Not Canterlot, and of course not some mythical Skyros
Also,I personally, and there're people like me,really prefer Fluryheart to be first ever born Alicorn. But also,i just can't accept G5. Too many holes. Map showing that whole south of Equestria just under the sea now. Treehouse of harmony from 9th season of Friendship is magic turned into simple pink tree. Instead of it we have also trees of unity. That actually not like anything connected to tree of harmony.
@empireofengland6039 Hmmm. First part sounds like a reasonable concern. Though what's hard about wondering if the Sisters came from Skyros to Equestria as fillies to rule?
Second part sounds like mere preference, if not outright whining that things are different from before and you can't (or don't wanna) draw a line from point A to B. Flooded Equestria?* Unity trees? Why not? Magic changed. Tree changed** (and that one from the movie might not be the same tree, just related). Tides rise, empires fall, time marches on, and now we're in a new age of unity, not the golden age of Twilight Sparkle. Put on your big boy (or big girl) pants and COPE.
*(Where'd you get that idea btw? Thought the current Equestria was speculated to be on a mere small part of the continent, and in a different orientation too. Like maybe where Horseshoe Bay was on the original map, but fans have continued to argue and speculate.)
**(And actually, Tree of Harmony in s9 acted very much like g5 unity trees when it was raised up and revived by the Young 6's friendship and unity. Like it was in fact a precursor to the the together trees, or an idea taken from g4 and expanded upon in g5! It was said that the tree would change and evolve according to the needs of the current age and people. What's the contradiction here?)
Oh wait. . . You said "holes", not "contradictions". 😅 Like you're not denying the existence of plausible explanations for everything, but there are just so many unanswered questions and it's confusing to alot of us how g4 could've bridged into g5. (Though I did just provide some answers, and so did Spike in ch6! And who knows what other answers await us later on!) 😃
Either way, maybe if you found a way to enjoy and accept g5 for what it is, not for what it is not? It has helped others get over the hump of broken expectations.
i like to think that celestia and luna are the literal embodiment of the sun and moon so that could be why they a) where born alicorns as opaline claims or b)achieved the alicorn status at a very young age
@cxcd you forgot that at the end of the third Equestria girls movie when human world twilight becomes midnight sparkle sunset shimmer uses the same pendant to become the exact opposite of midnight sparkle and if "midnight sparkle" is technically an alicorn because pony vill twilight is then sunset shimmer being a good version of midnight sparkle as seen by the wings and horn with white clothes vs. midnight sparkle with the exact same features except purple and black clothing, then sunset is also an alicorn
In the new little pony it was mentioned that there was a whole world of Alicorns so?
Hillariosly eclectic yet on topic, thats my jam. You got my sub!
My head cannon was that born alicorns are immortal and “created” alicorns were just powerful and deemed royal. Everything in the show proved this wrong but I still kinda think this is how it should’ve been lol
Construction pony is 100% the first prince but choose to just do his work as a construction pony. Thats my personal cracked out hc ngl
A+! I like this theory, and I am adopting it as my new headcanon
I just disagree with the ending, but I think it's a good theory and a great video
2:39 Celestia and Luna are sister that control the Sun and Moon, Respectively. It’s means that Celestia controls the Sun and Luna controls the Moon.
There are other alicorns. like queen parabola is a zebra alicorn (comics). there is the ancient artwork of alicorns in some of the temples.
4:40 may I remind you of Sunset Shimmer's Golden God Form in Friendship Games?
Officially "Daydream Shimmer" (for the never-made toys).
-> The fandom calls her "Sunset Seraph".
my little pony gen4 is a in thought plan of how celestia planned to retire so she didn't have to do this. that's all
“What the hell Sunny is”😂😂😂
My theory is that make your mark is not cannon because I don’t even think the writers have seen mlp friendship is magic 💀
I can't remember which channel, but I remember that their was a video that starswirl created alicorns as they a combination of alicorn, pegasus and earth ponies. When Twilight finished the spell from Starswirl, I think it was transport, transform and something else. Starswirl likely came from the very begining of equestria and transformed luna and celestia into alicorns. I know there is a whole video on it and if you search up Starswirl created alicorns it is likely to come up.
I never watched the g5 show but I believe that evil alicorn lied to gain sympathy in some sense. She also, possibly, became an alicorn early on, maybe, at a similar time to the sisters but were over shadowed by them.
Perhaps after evil alicorn became corrupt, Starswirl created the dimension where celestia greets Twilight as a way to prevent the same thing happening twice. Celestia and Luna was probably never aware of her existence in the first place. Whether Skyros exits or a lie is unknown. Perhaps Starswirl created multiple alicorns, who created their own civilisation to watch the other ponies from afar, before forgetting their role. They are long living after all.
Maybe, after they forgot their duty and forgotten by regular ponies they reverted to their original selves and died from old age because they were few and couldn't return to normal society so the city went to ruin.
Small theory, Idk if it works, but Luna and Celestia could be lying to us about how they were not born alicorns, to say that they did a great deed and were given a higher position, more revered by mortal ponies ( idk tho :D )
Rating: A+ because I like MLP lore and theory’s :D
I love the fact that twi gets tall! It's cute, a tall girly like myself relates
Originally it was the belief that Celestia and Luna were born alicorns.
Then Cadance came along and it was explained that you could also become an alicorn via another alicorn granting you the power. (Celestia, in both cases for Cadance and Twilight.)
THEN Flurry Came. And all that was tossed out the window via a single line from Luna.
Suddenly it was retconned that Luna and Celestia had to become alicorns (i think this was eventually stated to have been done onto them by Starswirl..who..is not an Alicorn. So apparently a really strong unicorn can also just grant you the power?)
And then G5 went and retconned the retcon by saying "Actually, Celestia and Luna WERE born alicorns! And not only that- but theres actually a whole population of alicorns!!"
I personally choose to diregaurd G5's attempts to continue the lore. I think theres alot that doesnt make sense and it takes way to much streching on the part of the fans to try to make it.
When Flurry was born some fans tried to claim that Celestia and Luna were born before Equestria was founded. And thats why Equestria specifically had never seen an alicorn birth.
Some others tried the option of Celestia and Luna being made of the earth in a way, meaning they weren't 'born'.
....Ultimately the most clear alicorn hood ever was was after Twilight ascended and everyone just agreed to the idea that Alicorns *could* be born but were more often gifted.
Also this comment is pointless. I just wanted to ramble.
I think Skyros is real because Opaline is a tier 2 alicorn and tier 2 alicorns can be born alicorns so Opaline is born an alicorn and she found Skyros. The being born an alicorn is strange and new to Celestia because Flurry Heart's mother, cadence is an artificial alicorn meaning an alicorn created by magic like Twilight making it possible to be born an alicorn but tier 3 alicorns except Twilight needs to grow their wings without magic. So, when Opaline discovered Skyros she got bullied for being an artificial alicorn, making her feel sad and starting her villain arch. This made her return to equestria and boss everypony around and turn evil. Skyros was created before equestria and leaders sent Celestia and Luna to help the ponies in equestria then the ponies in equestria became dependent on the alicorns and made Celestia and Luna stay in Equestria. Celestia becomes tiered and finds a replacement (aka. twilight). So Twilight removed magic from equestria and sealed Opaline away.
In conclusion, I think Opaline is evil because she discovered Skyros and got bullied and became evil and Gen 5 makes sense.
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Growing up i just assumed that Celestia and Luna werent born in Equestria and that's why they said a natural alicorn has never been born in equestria, but idk lmao
According to me G5 happens in period after the Ending of End but before the last problem. Lustet dawn still didnt born. Comic books always have contradictions ,so Canterlot is still alive. Of course it is. Twilight appears in g5 in her basic form. Everyone seems forgot her Alicorn long form. Or it hasnt happened yet. The only ones who speak about many years are crazy old pony claiming to be descendant of Moondancer,we dont know if she refers to G1,that might be possible,and Spike who slept many years.
1:41 One moon is one lunar cycle. That’s what they used to be called.
So about a month
Opaline Said in mark your mark "they shoud worschip their imortel leaders" so they are
When you list 2 things and then list 2 things about the aforementioned, people typically use the word "respectfully" to imply the order.
"Celestia and Luna raises the sun and moon respectfully" Implies that Celestia raises the sun and Luna raises the Moon.
I didn't look that up till 4 years after hearing the word lmfao, hope this helps ^-^
I Have A Mini Theory About Royalty Alicorns (Not Including Flurryheart)
How I Came Up With It Was When I Was Coming Up With Storyline Ideas For My Alicorn OC Moonlight. But I Randomly Came Up With This. "But the best Alicorns have the strength of a earth pony, the determination of a pegasus and the heart of a unicorn" (said by Zecora)
There Was Also A Part That I Couldn't Fit And Still Have It Make Sense But Ill Just Name The Traits
. Strength Of An Earth Pony
. Determination Of A Pegasus
. Heart Of A Unicorn
And
The Leadership Of An Alicorn
After i made it i noticed that in my 2am mind i had come up with traits that (Almost?) every Royalty alicorn has. No Clue If This Makes Sense Because I Have A Major Headache At The Moment But *Shrug*
I honestly feel, that Flurry Heart was Born an
Alicorn
Due to the fact
For the common theme it took them so much time, to
Lrarn magic
And Flurry heart had so much power
And the fact that
In the glass of here she looked about the same age or younger then that
Of
Cadance when she used to babysit twilight.
So
She could been born alicorn due to her having to save others and have responsiabiltyes from a young age.
Possibly
I just assumed there 8s an alicorn potential gene and it doesnt activate often ....... yeah didnt get much beyond that considering there had to be lots of cross breeding between earth ponies, pegasusez, and unicorns.
Isn’t there an episode about how Celestial became an alicorn because she was the only unicorn with the ability to raise the sun?
My headcanon for flery heart is that no alicorn has ever had a baby
I feel like the G5 writers might have just forgotten or somehow didn't know what G4 said about alicorns. That's _my_ theory lol. Because having Luna and Celestia forget (?) that _they_ were born alicorns does not make sense. That or Opaline is lying, as you said. Which she is the villain, so... possible. I guess.
Wow! I didn't notice that Twilight is growing in height from season to season! Good observation!
I would rate this theory a D.
If Celestia and Luna were born alicorns, then how come they said that being born an alicorn has never happened before when Flurry Heart was introduced?
I think in supplement material it was stated that Celestia and Luna were born as unicorns, a d later became alicorns.
Also im sorry, but someone has to say this. Sunny is a marry sue, it took twilight a few seasons of learning and finishing one of starswirls spells to become one. Sunny just...what, gets it in her debut? She never even bothers studying magic after she gets it.
i like to think of the new mlp as nonexistent lol, the movie isnt that bad its just that some things just dont line up with mlp friendship is magic
i think the reason why sunnies wings and horn are not physical is because her Alicorn magic is not stable
i don’t think Scootaloo is a winged earth pony because she can still stand on clouds, which earth ponies can’t do
That rockstar stance at the projector though
id say this is a B+,
you miss some things (which you mention, getting you an extra point) however you connected ever point you brought up wonderfully
(did i successfully make it sound like i know what im doing????)
Let’s just hope that he doesn’t know about that baby alicorn doll that never appeared in the show…