The most realistic answer is she ended up like Discord. A sad miserable recluse mourning her dead friends and blaming herself for Equestrian's fall. Or she is really dead. I don’t really want to see her again after the finale.
That's actually... really sad to think about. Not only did all of Twilight's friends die, but Equestria turns on her, AND the only solution (at least the only one she can see) is to split herself up, and it doesnt. Even. WORK.
You probably just opened the door to a few more videos Like what ever happened to the rest of the species, or the windegos, or is Hitch a descendent of Fluttershy, what happened to Sunny’s mom, etc
Exactly! What about the Kirin, Griffins, and Hippogriffs? Why are the dragons quadrapedal? Why is spike the dragon lord and not Ember? Where's the cockatrice, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, Discord!? We could've gotten more on the bat ponies too!
I think that one RUclips cartoon from g5 where Misty finds Starswirl's pocket dimension which connects to G1, G4, and G5 kind of makes me think G5 is legit supposed to be an AU now
You want to talk about evidence towards G5 being an alternate universe? We had a "Friendship is Magic" episode with Spike getting his wings in an obvious allegory for puberty, then Sparky was born with wings, then when Sparky meets Spike and the other dragons, none of them find anything unusual about that. Plus the G5 Breezies have much larger bodies and smaller wings than their G4 counterparts.
And Opaline... She had all the hints that she could have been the Daughter of Rarity and Spike. *Remember Spike was hatched when Twilight was in kindergarten, he would have only be like.. 5 Years younger than her. But for Dragons he'd be considered a baby until at least 25 or fifty* Think about it... She has a purple fur, has an affinity for Fire, a need for DRAGON magic specifically, a princess complex. As well as a name similar to that of Rarity's CAT. That also fits Spike's love of Gems. Not "Oh she was a childhood friend of Luna and Celestia who they ignored"
This is actually a really interesting way of trying to connect G4 to 5 I'll admit. I never would have thought about Twilight splitting herself into 3 different ponies. But it's a pretty neat concept and it would be a cool idea to an AU of how G5 came to be. Also, with what you said about potentially making G6, if you ever need any voice actors for the potential pilot, feel free DMing me. I would've messaged you on Twitter, but I saw I couldn't do that, so I'm contacting you like this lol. I have a playlist for my voice work on my channel if you want a form of reference to it all.
I think it would've been better if twilight had been made the scapegoat for the unity crystals existence. What I mean is that ANOTHER PONY actually created them, but twilight got blamed for the act due to historical records being lost.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I mean, at the start of the G5 movie, it seems that Sunny and her father are the only ponies with ANY accurate knowledge of G4-era history. Which is kind of disturbing when you consider that the printing press was a fully mature technology back then - no way would ALL of their history be lost accidentally.
Considering Argyle Starscout said it's been 10 generations since peace was last maintained in Equestria, that would mean it's been more than 450 years since Twilight's Rule (if you equivalent Earth Pony years to human years) and the subsequent Great Division instigated by Opaline
I built an entire narrative about how G5 is the end of the rivalry between Gusty the Great and Emperor Grogar The story begins around ten thousand years ago, back when Grogar ruled Equestria. Why did I pick ten thousand years? We know Tirek is one of the oldest characters in FiM and he only heard stories about Grogar. This likely means King Vorak also didn't know if Grogar was real or not. Ten thousand years is long enough for me to shove all of the history that needs to happen in there (well, I could hypothetically squeeze it all down to seven thousand, but nah) The Unity Crystals were actually a weapon created by Gusty the Great to defeat Grogar. Alongside her unicorn warriors, some pegasi from Cloudsdale who came to help, and a band of roaming earth ponies, she became the first alicorn. She founded the City of Skyros on a mountain, burying the Unity Crystals beneath. The reason Opaline never knew about this is because she sucks at history. However, Grogar had an apprentice, a centaur (who, for the purposes of this narrative, is G1 Tirac). This centaur founded his own kingdom to the East of Skyros. A third kingdom was founded by the draconequi. For the next era, these three kingdoms waged war across the world. In the end, the Centaur Kingdom won. Tirac trained his own student, named Sendak. The alicorns, now numbering just barely in the triple digits, retreated to Skyros. The draconequi became functionally extinct as Discord was the only survivor. By this time, the origins of the conflict had been forgotten, with only Discord being alive to have witnessed Grogar's fall. Eventually, Tirac was overthrown by a pony revolt, similar to what was seen in Rescue at Midnight Castle. This led to a broad strokes version of G1 events. Over time, the population of Skyros dwindled to about forty. Around this time, a young alicorn named Opaline was banished from Skyros. She soon found herself in the Centaur Kingdom, and after briefly overpowering Sendak, became his student alongside Tirek One day, Tirek, Scorpan, and Opaline journeyed to Skyros to gain control over the most powerful of magic. The ensuing battle caused the complete annihilation of Skyros, leaving only two survivors: Celestia and Luna. The Destruction of Skyros happened to have been around the same time as the Windigo Winter, so Celestia and Luna followed the three tribes to what would eventually be known as Equestria. Tirek and Scorpan followed the Sisters, with Opaline being a little further behind. Celestia and Luna were taken in by Starswirl, who eventually confronted and befriended Scorpan. Scorpan then borrowed the magic of Celestia, Luna, Starswirl, and Clover to battle against Tirek and return all of the magic they stole. Princess Platinum then began grooming Celestia to be her successor. Opaline saw what happened to Tirek and decided to stay away from Equestria for the time being, escaping to the south of Farasi. Some time after Nightmare Moon's banishment, Celestia and Opaline met again. Opaline's stolen magic never regenerated after being used, so by then she was much weaker than she was when she followed Celestia to Equestria. The two fought each other and were even, neither capable of overcoming the other. To avoid further pain, the two agreed to never encroach on each other's territory unless they were absolutely certain they could overcome the other. But before I can tell you that story, I have to tell you this one. Somewhere south of the original pony homeland, there was a gathering of dark mages. Founded by Veneficus Arcanus, they were ruled by the five most powerful dark mages in the area, with the strongest of them taking the title of Arcanus, or Arcana (see where I'm going with this?) Opaline one day encountered these dark mages and overcame Ambrosius Arcanus and took the title for herself, becoming Opaline Arcana. This part is a combination of Barrad and Dread League lore from Equestria At War, so I will refer to this location as Barrad from here on out. Anyway, back to the original story. After Celestia's retirement, she planned on bringing Luna and the Nightmare Knights with her to fight Opaline. However, Opaline heard of Celestia's retirement and gathered the mages of Barrad and any other supporters she had to launch an assault on Equestria. In order to defeat Opaline, Twilight journeyed to the abandoned city of Skyros and uncovered the Unity Crystals. Twilight then confronted Opaline with the Unity Crystals and defeated her. She intended to use the Unity Crystals as a physical prison, but Harmony had a different idea. Harmony used Twilight's imprisonment spell as a banishment spell and sent Opaline and the Unity Crystals to another world entirely. The magic that Opaline had stolen was returned to those she stole it from, including Prince Abraxas and Dragon Lord Ember. In this new world, the Unity Crystals crash landed in three spots: Just outside Zephyr Heights, in the middle of Bridlewood Forest, and in the waters near Maretime Bay. The Maretime Bay crystal was recovered by Argyle's ancestor, the Zephyr Heights crystal was recovered by the ancestor of the Zephyr Heights royal family, and the Bridlewood crystal remained unfound for a long time. Over time, Harmony dropped bits and pieces of the G4 world into the G5 world, most uncovered by Argyle's ancestors or Argyle himself. She also added bits and pieces of false lore to make a false narrative about how Opaline was the reason the three tribes lived separately (which was technically true. Opaline landed in the G5 world about a decade before the Unity Crystals did and she planted the seeds of distrust among them). Soon, Harmony erected the Invisibubble to keep Opaline out until the time was right. Now, as for the warring legacies of Gusty and Grogar, there was Sunny Starscout, the chosen champion of the Unity Crystals, created by Gusty the Great, fighting against Opaline Arcana, student of Sendak the Elder, student of Lord Tirac, student of Grogar himself. After Opaline's defeat, the only remaining legacy of Grogar was Cozy Glow By this point, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow had broken out of their stone prison, however Tirek was killed protecting the other two. Cozy and Chrysalis went down to Klugetown and took over the entire thing. Cozy Glow eventually gathered all of the remaining villains in the world and sent them to attack Twilight, predicting that Twilight was going to win just like she always did. After all those villains were defeated, Cozy sent a letter to Twilight, congratulating her on bringing world peace. While Cozy hadn't exactly turned good, she was no longer an active threat, and Chrysalis got her own kingdom in Klugetown so she was also eliminated as a threat. As Cozy had zero intention of teaching someone magic, the legacy of Grogar died with her
Really hate the idea of some people to think someone like Twilight the pony who fight to save equestria, the one who care about the pony tribes live in harmony and also who bring together other creatures and help them in their time of need thanks to her they change their ways and give friendship a chance is the responsible of their downfall. I really don't know why they hated the idea of Twilight to become Celestia's sucessor she was the only pony that was fit to step in Celestia and Luna role as the ruler of Equestria. Thats why most fans including me hate G5. it was really unnecessary for Hasbro or G.M Berrow to ruin G4 lore
- It's a hot air balloon station. There are balloon baskets and envelopes everywhere. Pipp and Zipp even use one to try and trap Opaline in the last episode. - The complete stained glass is in the credits. If you haven't seen it, I take it you also haven't seen the post-credits scene that comes right after it. And my favorite theory about the connection between G4 and G5 is still the one by AuroraDawn. Not for kids, though.
@@quinnhouk5369 Twilight went crazy after her friends died, and she started decimating Equestria. No one could take her on, so the ponies built the lighthouse as a trap for her. They lured her there and used the machine to seal her in the crystals, then split the crystals apart so she could never come back (that was the epic battle in Maretime Bay that Sprout mentioned). That is why the races split, and the things they believe about each other are actually things Twilight did to them, that got distorted over time. Then Sunny putting the crystals back together set Twilight free, and it doesn't end well for anyone. This is the same author who wrote Rainbow Factory, after all. I think this fanfic has since been deleted, but I thought it was interesting. Maybe a kid safe version of it could have made for a good canon story.
@@quinnhouk5369 They used the beacon to focus the Rainbow Lasers from the crystals and smite her, just like she did so many times before. Normally Twilight is the conduit that focuses the magic, but now that she is the enemy herself, they had to get creative and come up with an artificial substitute. All the other Elements/Pillars/Princesses etc were long dead at this point.
Wait, hold on, I made a year ago a new land of MLP called Prismara (a land of colors and crystals, almost as an extension to the Crystal Empire) where the founder was a purple and blue Alicorn (looks nothing like Twilight though obviously) who split herself into a Unicorn, an Earth Pony and a Pegasus to protect her land!! *WHAT??* That is insane!! *I* am insane lmao-
G5 can connect to G4 fairly well but every time a promising theory appears the show itself tends to add details that screw up any chances of them working. For example, it makes perfect sense for Opaline to be a former student of Twilight's but the show ruins that idea by making her as old as Celestia and Luna.
I agree that G5 is an alternative timeline of G4. I think that maybe certain elements of the story of G4 didn't happen for the G5 universe and that's why things are whre they are now.
Elder Flower being a descendant of Twilight also wouldn't work because she mentions being a descendant of Moon Dancer - specifically, Moon Dancer is apparently her "great-great-great-great aunt".
Do we know if Moon Dancer had any siblings? Its not uncommon for a parents friend to be refered to as an aunt/uncle. Moon Dancer and Twilight were friends again after all so it could work.
@@TobyStan If I remember right, it's mentioned that the ponies in Elder Flower's head are her ancestors, so it would have to be someone related. I think? Not entirely sure.
All I can ask with that G6 thing you gave brewing, is to include batponies, we know so little about them and I would love to see them expanded upon. Good luck with it!
I really don't see how taking away the magic from the Unicorns, Pegasi and Earth Ponies would ever help with anything, as how would they be able to do anything. We saw how well that went when Tirek took all the magic and again when Cozy Glow took all the magic - it didn't end well all the ponies knew what an utter disaster it would be and put an immediate stop it, that never involved stealing everyone's magic - it doesn't make any sense to do it and make these crystals. It is nothing more than a giant plot hole a giraffe could comfortable cartwheel through to be quite honest.
I'm not good enough to help with the g6 pilot, but I am excited at what you guys manage to do, and see what hasbro thinks (if they even respond to it).
2:54-3:13 The earth pony stained glass window was at the end of the first half of the credits, when Pipp's song "Glowin Up" ends, before the mid-credit scene.
I thought you did a pretty solid job on trying to connect g4 and g5 together with your own story. Hopefully you could show your g6 pilot to hasbro keep up the great work man ❤
Hey! That gen 6 you mentioned at the end... It's a very interesting idea and I hope something interesting will come out of this! Good luck with it Cxcd!
I really like the idea of Twilight herself splitting into these 3 parts that protected the crystals. Canon G5 refuses to give us coherent lore and I always found it weird that the original guardians of the crystals were never introduced. This headcanon/theory nicely removes these 3 randos in a way that makes sense.
It kinda makes sense since each pony has something golden/yellow about them within the stain glass windows. The horn, the wings and then the hooves. Sure it might just show how different the pony tribes were.
What if that one old mare from bridlewood (I can't remember her name for the life of me) is that unicorn part of Twilight? Or maybe she's at least related to that unicorn side of Twilight so that's how she knows so much
I like your idea, I don't have a rebuke or negative comment for it. But I take a bit of offense when you said, people quitted trying to make sense of G4-G5 continuity. I actually did two videos about the topic. One about the the three guardians of the crystals, and another about the timeline. I would like to know what you think about those.
I think we got our answer on how equestria fell.every story we got how g4 fell is true plus the tyt episode where misty's amulet turn sunny and friends evil. but we got to put in order. I belive that opaline was banished from skyros because what she did to ponyville. Which lead to the other alicorns striping her of being a fire alicorn. So she drained the dragons magic to become a fire alicorn again. Which explains why opaline is so weak in g5.
Another theory is G5 is an alternate dimension DISCORD made for a sick pony, similar to what he did in that "Dungeons & Discords" episode. But less rushed. He did show he COULD make an alternate dimension with it's own life system, and it's own rules in that episode. Possibly before the Finale's timeskip, hence why Twilight's message was from her when she was younger instead of her timeskip form. Discord didn't know what she'd look like, so he filled in some blanks on his own. He was able to save the little filly, but she was forced to live in this new dimension set decades in an alternate future.
OK WOW! I genuinely believe that could be true! This is amazing! This would be a great way to connect the big gap between the two generations but unfortunately I am not that confident about the creators of g5 making a story that genuinely make sense!
My head cannon. G5 is a mass fever dream brought on by Luna tripping balls with Zacora on some everfree shrooms one night. Potions got drunk, and many fungus were munched.... long story short, G5!
I like generation 4 Generation 5 They just got lazy with their designs have you seen their tails They're just a blob of a pointy end The only ones with detailed hair and tails All the main characters
Nice video. interesting idea of what happen to twilight, but one thing, actually three pony’s stain glass artwork is actually in ending credits of g5 movie beside floating online.
I think... WE SHOULD ALL FORGET ABT G5 AND LET IT SLOWLEY DIE CAUSE HAVING THE NORMAL G4 IS BETTER AND HAVING MAIN 6 DIE IS SAD... And i hate too think that the last unicorn twilight being depressed is sad for me too think...
I'm only a few episodes into gen 5, but so far my issue with it is that nothing really happens. Each episode only being a couple minutes long, and it's just daily life, pretty much
That full image, with nothing missing, is in the post credits scene. It's not in the story of the movie, but it *is* in the movie, at the end, as a reveal to the audience
Basically it's an alternate reality of G4 that got turned into G5 That's the theory that's happening right now. God I haven't finished the comic book yet before the G5 comics.
Oh my gosh, I would love to draw concept art for this G6 idea. I’m in the Discord already, so if there’s like a whole server for the G6 ideas, I can check it out.
Considering starlight time jumping showed multiple canon futures that could happen if she don't stop, g5 could be the result of one of these paths, a what if
Consider this: she became the Princess of Friendship, instead of the Princess of Magic (which was her literal element). And once she was gone in less than a Generation the Ponies had regressed to their Pre-Celestia racism, because the Ponies as a whole had become so *stupid* that without a literal Princess *of Friendship* to tell them “hey, be friends!” they stopped being friendly with each other … TLDR: Twilight effed up, BADLY (along with Celestia who thought her neurotic student, who had shown time and again to be a pretty crappy friend herself, was to be the new Ruler which she and Luna buggered off to Pony Florida … or wherever Ponies go when they retire) 😒😒😒
Suddenly the alicorns have an established lore and apparently they are born knowing the type of alicorn they will be #1 and are raised in an alternate universe or dimension in the clouds. Then again Opaline is a very unreliable narrator and we've seen in discord that things can be misremembered after hundreds of years of isolation. Not only that but the story of the forever trees feel so much like the old and new trees of harmony, but who are these ponies we see consistently in stained glass windows? And why do these stained glass windows last so long?
The fact they used to have an airport in zephyr heights means that for a little while after the separation the pony types were still...social at least. So it didn't happen all at once. What happened?
Multiple times we seeurals and glass windows and such depicting the same few ponies with the same color palette, apparently they had something to do with the three forever trees.
I’ve noticed this pattern with Netflix kids movies/TV shows for a while now where Netflix makes a special/movie that isn’t meant to be a full series (or sometimes they are) but the movie becomes popular enough that Netflix makes some cheap show to capitalize on the movie’s popularity. The show is rarely as good as the movie. The one exception is maybe the Captain Underpants show, but some typical examples are G5 and Last Kids on Earth.
I can't remember where I heard it but someone had a theory that Izzy and Sunny might be sisters. Maybe Sunny's father met a unicorn and they had 2 kids, 1 unicorn and 1 earth pony. They also said that Izzy and Sunny's dad have the same coat colour and maybe Sunny's mom has the same coat colour. There also is no pictures of Sunn'y mom around the house.
Interesting theory, but what you forgot to account for is that alicorns are immortal. Heck, Opaline is still alive (albeit in a tree) and she grew up with Celestia and Luna and their down right ancient, so there is no reason why Twilight who is much younger than all of them would not survive up to modern Equestria (P.S. Elder Flower is the great great great great niece of Moon Dancer)
He did. He literally said that part of his theory is that splitting herself into three would cause her to lose her immortality and her pieces would start aging.
That picture of the earth pony glass Window with the other Windows, appert at the end credit scene in A New Generation, you just have to wait a surtain amount of time before it appers.
I like to imagine g5 is an au after season 6 or something. Where this is a reality where twilight failed? Also there is that cartoon short that showed Misty found a way to other dimensions being g 1,2,3,4
I don’t hate G5 as much as the most die hard G4 My Little Pony fans. Hell if it wasn’t a sequel to G4. Even though G5 really wants to be seen as a good sequel. If it was its own universe. I would just say it was an underwhelming children’s show. However, because G5 tries its best to be a sequel. While at the same time completely removing everything about G4. It’s the biggest reason why Make Your Mark is so disappointing. G4 somehow managed to make a bunch of grown ass men give a shit. About a show made for families and girls as the main target demographic. While G5 is basically what most people think My Little Pony is in general.
If people read the g5 comics it gets pretty morbid about what happens to everyone except twilight. She's definitely the missing piece. Discord couldn't save fluttershy so there was definitely an epic battle or some sort of destruction that happened that ended many lives. Magic likely got stolen on a mass level so I'm sure plenty of creatures were affected. If dragons had to go into hiding then many other creatures are likely in hibernation as well. The magic didn't dissappear when she put it in the crystals, it only disappeared if the ponies lost their harmony. The story is getting deepq
At 3:09, I wanted to give some clarification, if I recall correctly, that image of the full stained glass window appears near the end of the credits of the movie :) Edit: finished watching, and I definitely wanna throw my hat in the ring for concept art! Have any spots available where I can show my works?
As a 22 year old adult who just finished watching the whole series (as a kid I hated they changed the characters from older MLP so I didn’t watch it and I’ve watched it multiple times, however I never watched the last few episodes because it would make me sad, I just finally finished it) G5 has to be a different universe or it will be a whole contradiction to the G4 message. You have 9 seasons of seeing characters learn and teach, equestria falling would go against that whole thing. Not to mention character designs that go against the original lore.
Anyone else notice that Twilight, deciding that ponies with differences cannot be friends, magically strips those differences (as she understands them) from them? Doesn't this sound a lot like the first time we saw Starlight's Village...?
Hi, i will say i'd love to make art for that stuff, but im still learning and cant draw horses, and also i dont have any form of payment if that's something you want, but if i ever learn how to draw horses and animals... I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT AM DO!!!! As in... i will probably make my own mlp world- because its fun
Trying to connect G4 to G5 is literally like trying desperately to fit a square peg in a round hole. 😅
totally ruined the whole thing. if they hadn’t connected anything it would have been fine on its own,
More like trying to fit a square peg in a black hole
To be fair, there is a meme where all the pegs fit in the square hole
@@MaxPerullo-hd7tuyea cause that’s right, it goes in the square hole!
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I think licensing issues are why that's the case.
Hasbro only owns certain elements of G4.
My headcanon is that sunny is just some random girl writing her own little fanfic story thingy. It would explain....everything.
That would be so funny lol!
@@Maggie_Pjo_Fnaf that don’t sound funny :/
FE Fates type theory
And she just can't deal with the show being over so she just imagines it all and is actually in the mental hospital
Yeah
The most realistic answer is she ended up like Discord. A sad miserable recluse mourning her dead friends and blaming herself for Equestrian's fall. Or she is really dead. I don’t really want to see her again after the finale.
Yeah after all... The sun and moon were still moving. If it's the same universe as G4, someone has to be doing that.
@@electrobob992we see her at the end of Gen.5?
That's actually... really sad to think about. Not only did all of Twilight's friends die, but Equestria turns on her, AND the only solution (at least the only one she can see) is to split herself up, and it doesnt. Even. WORK.
Yeah...
You probably just opened the door to a few more videos
Like what ever happened to the rest of the species, or the windegos, or is Hitch a descendent of Fluttershy, what happened to Sunny’s mom, etc
Oh MYM, such missed potential...
Exactly! What about the Kirin, Griffins, and Hippogriffs? Why are the dragons quadrapedal? Why is spike the dragon lord and not Ember? Where's the cockatrice, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, Discord!? We could've gotten more on the bat ponies too!
@@missing_names8001 seriously!! I mean isn't discord like immortal??
@@missing_names8001discord became depressed and lives beneath canterlot (?) as per the comics
I think that one RUclips cartoon from g5 where Misty finds Starswirl's pocket dimension which connects to G1, G4, and G5 kind of makes me think G5 is legit supposed to be an AU now
do you recall the name/title?
@@lloydlandrum3040It’s Season 2, Episode 5
@@lloydlandrum3040It’s Tell Your Tale episode 5 of Season 2
That also makes every generation (and Equestrian Girls) an AU, implying that G5 is an alternate future to G4. That actually makes a lot of sense
@@salliemagnaye1403 thanks
You want to talk about evidence towards G5 being an alternate universe? We had a "Friendship is Magic" episode with Spike getting his wings in an obvious allegory for puberty, then Sparky was born with wings, then when Sparky meets Spike and the other dragons, none of them find anything unusual about that. Plus the G5 Breezies have much larger bodies and smaller wings than their G4 counterparts.
g5 was just depressing, even with spike
I thought I was the only one who thinkss that
Not everypony hates g5. I lo e it aND spike looks better!
And Opaline... She had all the hints that she could have been the Daughter of Rarity and Spike. *Remember Spike was hatched when Twilight was in kindergarten, he would have only be like.. 5 Years younger than her. But for Dragons he'd be considered a baby until at least 25 or fifty*
Think about it... She has a purple fur, has an affinity for Fire, a need for DRAGON magic specifically, a princess complex.
As well as a name similar to that of Rarity's CAT. That also fits Spike's love of Gems.
Not "Oh she was a childhood friend of Luna and Celestia who they ignored"
@@electrobob992 Damn that's a good theory
Literally semi-grim dark. Like TNO. Sad but there's still hope.
This is actually a really interesting way of trying to connect G4 to 5 I'll admit. I never would have thought about Twilight splitting herself into 3 different ponies. But it's a pretty neat concept and it would be a cool idea to an AU of how G5 came to be.
Also, with what you said about potentially making G6, if you ever need any voice actors for the potential pilot, feel free DMing me. I would've messaged you on Twitter, but I saw I couldn't do that, so I'm contacting you like this lol. I have a playlist for my voice work on my channel if you want a form of reference to it all.
I think it would've been better if twilight had been made the scapegoat for the unity crystals existence.
What I mean is that ANOTHER PONY actually created them, but twilight got blamed for the act due to historical records being lost.
That would be an interesting idea as well. Stuff like that happens in real life so I can totally see that happen and it would be a cool idea.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I mean, at the start of the G5 movie, it seems that Sunny and her father are the only ponies with ANY accurate knowledge of G4-era history. Which is kind of disturbing when you consider that the printing press was a fully mature technology back then - no way would ALL of their history be lost accidentally.
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Zipp also seems concerned by the fact that "everypony just...forgot."
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Considering Argyle Starscout said it's been 10 generations since peace was last maintained in Equestria, that would mean it's been more than 450 years since Twilight's Rule (if you equivalent Earth Pony years to human years) and the subsequent Great Division instigated by Opaline
In human years, ten generations is about 200-250 years. But yeah, probably about over 400 years for ponies.
The simplest way to explain it is Twilight pulled a rose quartz 😅😂
... true
I built an entire narrative about how G5 is the end of the rivalry between Gusty the Great and Emperor Grogar
The story begins around ten thousand years ago, back when Grogar ruled Equestria. Why did I pick ten thousand years? We know Tirek is one of the oldest characters in FiM and he only heard stories about Grogar. This likely means King Vorak also didn't know if Grogar was real or not. Ten thousand years is long enough for me to shove all of the history that needs to happen in there (well, I could hypothetically squeeze it all down to seven thousand, but nah)
The Unity Crystals were actually a weapon created by Gusty the Great to defeat Grogar. Alongside her unicorn warriors, some pegasi from Cloudsdale who came to help, and a band of roaming earth ponies, she became the first alicorn. She founded the City of Skyros on a mountain, burying the Unity Crystals beneath. The reason Opaline never knew about this is because she sucks at history.
However, Grogar had an apprentice, a centaur (who, for the purposes of this narrative, is G1 Tirac). This centaur founded his own kingdom to the East of Skyros. A third kingdom was founded by the draconequi. For the next era, these three kingdoms waged war across the world.
In the end, the Centaur Kingdom won. Tirac trained his own student, named Sendak. The alicorns, now numbering just barely in the triple digits, retreated to Skyros. The draconequi became functionally extinct as Discord was the only survivor. By this time, the origins of the conflict had been forgotten, with only Discord being alive to have witnessed Grogar's fall.
Eventually, Tirac was overthrown by a pony revolt, similar to what was seen in Rescue at Midnight Castle. This led to a broad strokes version of G1 events.
Over time, the population of Skyros dwindled to about forty. Around this time, a young alicorn named Opaline was banished from Skyros. She soon found herself in the Centaur Kingdom, and after briefly overpowering Sendak, became his student alongside Tirek
One day, Tirek, Scorpan, and Opaline journeyed to Skyros to gain control over the most powerful of magic. The ensuing battle caused the complete annihilation of Skyros, leaving only two survivors: Celestia and Luna.
The Destruction of Skyros happened to have been around the same time as the Windigo Winter, so Celestia and Luna followed the three tribes to what would eventually be known as Equestria. Tirek and Scorpan followed the Sisters, with Opaline being a little further behind.
Celestia and Luna were taken in by Starswirl, who eventually confronted and befriended Scorpan. Scorpan then borrowed the magic of Celestia, Luna, Starswirl, and Clover to battle against Tirek and return all of the magic they stole. Princess Platinum then began grooming Celestia to be her successor.
Opaline saw what happened to Tirek and decided to stay away from Equestria for the time being, escaping to the south of Farasi.
Some time after Nightmare Moon's banishment, Celestia and Opaline met again. Opaline's stolen magic never regenerated after being used, so by then she was much weaker than she was when she followed Celestia to Equestria. The two fought each other and were even, neither capable of overcoming the other. To avoid further pain, the two agreed to never encroach on each other's territory unless they were absolutely certain they could overcome the other.
But before I can tell you that story, I have to tell you this one.
Somewhere south of the original pony homeland, there was a gathering of dark mages. Founded by Veneficus Arcanus, they were ruled by the five most powerful dark mages in the area, with the strongest of them taking the title of Arcanus, or Arcana (see where I'm going with this?)
Opaline one day encountered these dark mages and overcame Ambrosius Arcanus and took the title for herself, becoming Opaline Arcana. This part is a combination of Barrad and Dread League lore from Equestria At War, so I will refer to this location as Barrad from here on out.
Anyway, back to the original story. After Celestia's retirement, she planned on bringing Luna and the Nightmare Knights with her to fight Opaline. However, Opaline heard of Celestia's retirement and gathered the mages of Barrad and any other supporters she had to launch an assault on Equestria.
In order to defeat Opaline, Twilight journeyed to the abandoned city of Skyros and uncovered the Unity Crystals.
Twilight then confronted Opaline with the Unity Crystals and defeated her. She intended to use the Unity Crystals as a physical prison, but Harmony had a different idea. Harmony used Twilight's imprisonment spell as a banishment spell and sent Opaline and the Unity Crystals to another world entirely. The magic that Opaline had stolen was returned to those she stole it from, including Prince Abraxas and Dragon Lord Ember.
In this new world, the Unity Crystals crash landed in three spots: Just outside Zephyr Heights, in the middle of Bridlewood Forest, and in the waters near Maretime Bay. The Maretime Bay crystal was recovered by Argyle's ancestor, the Zephyr Heights crystal was recovered by the ancestor of the Zephyr Heights royal family, and the Bridlewood crystal remained unfound for a long time.
Over time, Harmony dropped bits and pieces of the G4 world into the G5 world, most uncovered by Argyle's ancestors or Argyle himself. She also added bits and pieces of false lore to make a false narrative about how Opaline was the reason the three tribes lived separately (which was technically true. Opaline landed in the G5 world about a decade before the Unity Crystals did and she planted the seeds of distrust among them). Soon, Harmony erected the Invisibubble to keep Opaline out until the time was right.
Now, as for the warring legacies of Gusty and Grogar, there was Sunny Starscout, the chosen champion of the Unity Crystals, created by Gusty the Great, fighting against Opaline Arcana, student of Sendak the Elder, student of Lord Tirac, student of Grogar himself. After Opaline's defeat, the only remaining legacy of Grogar was Cozy Glow
By this point, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow had broken out of their stone prison, however Tirek was killed protecting the other two. Cozy and Chrysalis went down to Klugetown and took over the entire thing. Cozy Glow eventually gathered all of the remaining villains in the world and sent them to attack Twilight, predicting that Twilight was going to win just like she always did. After all those villains were defeated, Cozy sent a letter to Twilight, congratulating her on bringing world peace. While Cozy hadn't exactly turned good, she was no longer an active threat, and Chrysalis got her own kingdom in Klugetown so she was also eliminated as a threat. As Cozy had zero intention of teaching someone magic, the legacy of Grogar died with her
I can't read all that but cool
Really hate the idea of some people to think someone like Twilight the pony who fight to save equestria, the one who care about the pony tribes live in harmony and also who bring together other creatures and help them in their time of need thanks to her they change their ways and give friendship a chance is the responsible of their downfall. I really don't know why they hated the idea of Twilight to become Celestia's sucessor she was the only pony that was fit to step in Celestia and Luna role as the ruler of Equestria. Thats why most fans including me hate G5. it was really unnecessary for Hasbro or G.M Berrow to ruin G4 lore
Just goes to show that Hasbro like other corporations is more interested in merchandizing than storytelling.
- It's a hot air balloon station. There are balloon baskets and envelopes everywhere. Pipp and Zipp even use one to try and trap Opaline in the last episode.
- The complete stained glass is in the credits. If you haven't seen it, I take it you also haven't seen the post-credits scene that comes right after it.
And my favorite theory about the connection between G4 and G5 is still the one by AuroraDawn. Not for kids, though.
What’s the theory about the connection? I wanna hear it
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@@quinnhouk5369 Twilight went crazy after her friends died, and she started decimating Equestria. No one could take her on, so the ponies built the lighthouse as a trap for her. They lured her there and used the machine to seal her in the crystals, then split the crystals apart so she could never come back (that was the epic battle in Maretime Bay that Sprout mentioned). That is why the races split, and the things they believe about each other are actually things Twilight did to them, that got distorted over time. Then Sunny putting the crystals back together set Twilight free, and it doesn't end well for anyone. This is the same author who wrote Rainbow Factory, after all.
I think this fanfic has since been deleted, but I thought it was interesting. Maybe a kid safe version of it could have made for a good canon story.
@@yondaime500 how would the lighthouse be a trap for a Alicorn?
@@quinnhouk5369 They used the beacon to focus the Rainbow Lasers from the crystals and smite her, just like she did so many times before. Normally Twilight is the conduit that focuses the magic, but now that she is the enemy herself, they had to get creative and come up with an artificial substitute. All the other Elements/Pillars/Princesses etc were long dead at this point.
A fan-initiated G6 does sound intriguing /)
Wait, hold on, I made a year ago a new land of MLP called Prismara (a land of colors and crystals, almost as an extension to the Crystal Empire) where the founder was a purple and blue Alicorn (looks nothing like Twilight though obviously) who split herself into a Unicorn, an Earth Pony and a Pegasus to protect her land!! *WHAT??* That is insane!! *I* am insane lmao-
G5 can connect to G4 fairly well but every time a promising theory appears the show itself tends to add details that screw up any chances of them working. For example, it makes perfect sense for Opaline to be a former student of Twilight's but the show ruins that idea by making her as old as Celestia and Luna.
I agree that G5 is an alternative timeline of G4.
I think that maybe certain elements of the story of G4 didn't happen for the G5 universe and that's why things are whre they are now.
Elder Flower being a descendant of Twilight also wouldn't work because she mentions being a descendant of Moon Dancer - specifically, Moon Dancer is apparently her "great-great-great-great aunt".
Do we know if Moon Dancer had any siblings? Its not uncommon for a parents friend to be refered to as an aunt/uncle. Moon Dancer and Twilight were friends again after all so it could work.
@@TobyStan If I remember right, it's mentioned that the ponies in Elder Flower's head are her ancestors, so it would have to be someone related. I think? Not entirely sure.
@@TobyStan Yes, she has a sister. She appears during the party that Twilight arranges to make up with Moondancer.
All I can ask with that G6 thing you gave brewing, is to include batponies, we know so little about them and I would love to see them expanded upon. Good luck with it!
Waitt the pilot idea is so cool! I could maybe draw some concepts :D
G5 should've just been its own thing. Not piggybacking off G4. It would've been a cool idea, but how it was done feels cheap and crummy.
I really don't see how taking away the magic from the Unicorns, Pegasi and Earth Ponies would ever help with anything, as how would they be able to do anything.
We saw how well that went when Tirek took all the magic and again when Cozy Glow took all the magic - it didn't end well all the ponies knew what an utter disaster it would be and put an immediate stop it, that never involved stealing everyone's magic - it doesn't make any sense to do it and make these crystals.
It is nothing more than a giant plot hole a giraffe could comfortable cartwheel through to be quite honest.
I'm not good enough to help with the g6 pilot, but I am excited at what you guys manage to do, and see what hasbro thinks (if they even respond to it).
This theory works way too well, definitely better than whatever G5 attempted to explain it. New head cannon
2:54-3:13 The earth pony stained glass window was at the end of the first half of the credits, when Pipp's song "Glowin Up" ends, before the mid-credit scene.
the idea of the pilot made me wanna explode
I SO WOULD DRAW PONIES FOR IT YES YES I LOVE WORLDBUILDING!!
I might be interested in drawing up concepts for that Theoretical G6, also, fun little Head-Canon/Theory/Fanfic!
I thought you did a pretty solid job on trying to connect g4 and g5 together with your own story. Hopefully you could show your g6 pilot to hasbro keep up the great work man ❤
Hey! That gen 6 you mentioned at the end... It's a very interesting idea and I hope something interesting will come out of this! Good luck with it Cxcd!
Good luck with your project! This was an interesting bridge between generations.
I love when you just make stuff up, you'd be an incredible writer if that's ever something you want to persuee 🤝
It really sucks that we’ll probably never know what really happened to her. But maybe it’s for the best.
this is such a fun story! i loved this :)
Love how G5 looked at the lore and story of G4... Then put it in a wood chipper.
I really like the idea of Twilight herself splitting into these 3 parts that protected the crystals. Canon G5 refuses to give us coherent lore and I always found it weird that the original guardians of the crystals were never introduced. This headcanon/theory nicely removes these 3 randos in a way that makes sense.
that 100% sounds like something that's never explained in the show but in the comics which never really gets disproven in the show
That was really fun and I can't fricking wait for you to have your own show
It kinda makes sense since each pony has something golden/yellow about them within the stain glass windows. The horn, the wings and then the hooves. Sure it might just show how different the pony tribes were.
I genuinly loved this idea sm!
Nothing in G4 can fit in G5.
this is so much better than the G5 show
What if that one old mare from bridlewood (I can't remember her name for the life of me) is that unicorn part of Twilight? Or maybe she's at least related to that unicorn side of Twilight so that's how she knows so much
Yippie, early to a new video^o^
I prefer the G4 design to the G5 one.
I like your idea, I don't have a rebuke or negative comment for it. But I take a bit of offense when you said, people quitted trying to make sense of G4-G5 continuity. I actually did two videos about the topic. One about the the three guardians of the crystals, and another about the timeline. I would like to know what you think about those.
id imagine just twilight went "lol bye" to the entire kingdom
Mentally trying to cope that gen 5 is canon to gen 4
Interesting story hopefully we get a actual answer in the show or g5's future
I think we got our answer on how equestria fell.every story we got how g4 fell is true plus the tyt episode where misty's amulet turn sunny and friends evil. but we got to put in order. I belive that opaline was banished from skyros because what she did to ponyville. Which lead to the other alicorns striping her of being a fire alicorn. So she drained the dragons magic to become a fire alicorn again. Which explains why opaline is so weak in g5.
THIS Is the best AU I've ever Heard 👍
Another theory is G5 is an alternate dimension DISCORD made for a sick pony, similar to what he did in that "Dungeons & Discords" episode. But less rushed.
He did show he COULD make an alternate dimension with it's own life system, and it's own rules in that episode.
Possibly before the Finale's timeskip, hence why Twilight's message was from her when she was younger instead of her timeskip form. Discord didn't know what she'd look like, so he filled in some blanks on his own.
He was able to save the little filly, but she was forced to live in this new dimension set decades in an alternate future.
Starswirl has life expaining spells
Well as a true g4 and g5 fan and defender and I personally think that g4 and g5 still has a good connection 😀 👍 😄 and great video 💜 💚 ❤️ 📹 👍
OK WOW! I genuinely believe that could be true! This is amazing! This would be a great way to connect the big gap between the two generations but unfortunately I am not that confident about the creators of g5 making a story that genuinely make sense!
My head cannon. G5 is a mass fever dream brought on by Luna tripping balls with Zacora on some everfree shrooms one night. Potions got drunk, and many fungus were munched.... long story short, G5!
What a terrible trip
I like generation 4 Generation 5 They just got lazy with their designs have you seen their tails They're just a blob of a pointy end The only ones with detailed hair and tails All the main characters
I can't wait to see that G6 fan project once it's out, watch fans do Hasbro's job better than them ❤
Nice video. interesting idea of what happen to twilight, but one thing, actually three pony’s stain glass artwork is actually in ending credits of g5 movie beside floating online.
I think... WE SHOULD ALL FORGET ABT G5 AND LET IT SLOWLEY DIE CAUSE HAVING THE NORMAL G4 IS BETTER AND HAVING MAIN 6 DIE IS SAD... And i hate too think that the last unicorn twilight being depressed is sad for me too think...
I'm only a few episodes into gen 5, but so far my issue with it is that nothing really happens. Each episode only being a couple minutes long, and it's just daily life, pretty much
I think that Twilight and her friends could actually go to Limbo, just like Pillars
That full image, with nothing missing, is in the post credits scene. It's not in the story of the movie, but it *is* in the movie, at the end, as a reveal to the audience
Basically it's an alternate reality of G4 that got turned into G5 That's the theory that's happening right now. God I haven't finished the comic book yet before the G5 comics.
This is a really cool idea!
Oh my gosh, I would love to draw concept art for this G6 idea. I’m in the Discord already, so if there’s like a whole server for the G6 ideas, I can check it out.
Considering starlight time jumping showed multiple canon futures that could happen if she don't stop, g5 could be the result of one of these paths, a what if
Consider this: she became the Princess of Friendship, instead of the Princess of Magic (which was her literal element). And once she was gone in less than a Generation the Ponies had regressed to their Pre-Celestia racism, because the Ponies as a whole had become so *stupid* that without a literal Princess *of Friendship* to tell them “hey, be friends!” they stopped being friendly with each other … TLDR: Twilight effed up, BADLY (along with Celestia who thought her neurotic student, who had shown time and again to be a pretty crappy friend herself, was to be the new Ruler which she and Luna buggered off to Pony Florida … or wherever Ponies go when they retire) 😒😒😒
I need this as a miniseries
i love your theories you're awesome
Suddenly the alicorns have an established lore and apparently they are born knowing the type of alicorn they will be #1 and are raised in an alternate universe or dimension in the clouds. Then again Opaline is a very unreliable narrator and we've seen in discord that things can be misremembered after hundreds of years of isolation. Not only that but the story of the forever trees feel so much like the old and new trees of harmony, but who are these ponies we see consistently in stained glass windows? And why do these stained glass windows last so long?
The fact they used to have an airport in zephyr heights means that for a little while after the separation the pony types were still...social at least. So it didn't happen all at once. What happened?
Multiple times we seeurals and glass windows and such depicting the same few ponies with the same color palette, apparently they had something to do with the three forever trees.
The version of twilight we see in the hologram looks like the young version of her. Not the full grown alicorn we see in the MLP g4 epilogue episode.
the middle pony looks like luster dawn(twilight's student shown in the last episode of g4)
No way, I haven't watched this yet but insane coincidence
I’ve noticed this pattern with Netflix kids movies/TV shows for a while now where Netflix makes a special/movie that isn’t meant to be a full series (or sometimes they are) but the movie becomes popular enough that Netflix makes some cheap show to capitalize on the movie’s popularity. The show is rarely as good as the movie. The one exception is maybe the Captain Underpants show, but some typical examples are G5 and Last Kids on Earth.
I can't remember where I heard it but someone had a theory that Izzy and Sunny might be sisters. Maybe Sunny's father met a unicorn and they had 2 kids, 1 unicorn and 1 earth pony. They also said that Izzy and Sunny's dad have the same coat colour and maybe Sunny's mom has the same coat colour. There also is no pictures of Sunn'y mom around the house.
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Interesting theory, but what you forgot to account for is that alicorns are immortal. Heck, Opaline is still alive (albeit in a tree) and she grew up with Celestia and Luna and their down right ancient, so there is no reason why Twilight who is much younger than all of them would not survive up to modern Equestria (P.S. Elder Flower is the great great great great niece of Moon Dancer)
He did. He literally said that part of his theory is that splitting herself into three would cause her to lose her immortality and her pieces would start aging.
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That picture of the earth pony glass Window with the other Windows, appert at the end credit scene in A New Generation, you just have to wait a surtain amount of time before it appers.
I like to imagine g5 is an au after season 6 or something. Where this is a reality where twilight failed? Also there is that cartoon short that showed Misty found a way to other dimensions being g 1,2,3,4
I really miss twilight sparkle, i hope we can see her again soon
I don’t hate G5 as much as the most die hard G4 My Little Pony fans. Hell if it wasn’t a sequel to G4. Even though G5 really wants to be seen as a good sequel. If it was its own universe. I would just say it was an underwhelming children’s show. However, because G5 tries its best to be a sequel. While at the same time completely removing everything about G4. It’s the biggest reason why Make Your Mark is so disappointing. G4 somehow managed to make a bunch of grown ass men give a shit. About a show made for families and girls as the main target demographic. While G5 is basically what most people think My Little Pony is in general.
"'Oh you missed a fly on the wall ... so your theory is wrong!' Nope!".
> A fly/bug flies right past the front of the camera right as you say nope.
"I dunno, parties or somethin" so it goes in the MLP franchise hah.
As someone who watched the movie but refuses to watch the show out of loyalty to g4 (tbh it’s just hard to watch), this is canon in my brain now
If people read the g5 comics it gets pretty morbid about what happens to everyone except twilight. She's definitely the missing piece. Discord couldn't save fluttershy so there was definitely an epic battle or some sort of destruction that happened that ended many lives. Magic likely got stolen on a mass level so I'm sure plenty of creatures were affected. If dragons had to go into hiding then many other creatures are likely in hibernation as well. The magic didn't dissappear when she put it in the crystals, it only disappeared if the ponies lost their harmony. The story is getting deepq
you did it! you fixed gen 5!
The window of the three ponies is at the very end of the movie.
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At 3:09, I wanted to give some clarification, if I recall correctly, that image of the full stained glass window appears near the end of the credits of the movie :)
Edit: finished watching, and I definitely wanna throw my hat in the ring for concept art! Have any spots available where I can show my works?
Love the concept. My only question is what happened to the rest of Equestria? Did all of Equestria end up in just three cities?
Hey about what you said at that end I wanna help with the possible g6
As a 22 year old adult who just finished watching the whole series (as a kid I hated they changed the characters from older MLP so I didn’t watch it and I’ve watched it multiple times, however I never watched the last few episodes because it would make me sad, I just finally finished it) G5 has to be a different universe or it will be a whole contradiction to the G4 message. You have 9 seasons of seeing characters learn and teach, equestria falling would go against that whole thing. Not to mention character designs that go against the original lore.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SO GOOD!!!! Thank you for this video I was so interested! 🩵
Yeah but what happened to chrysalis Lord T- rack and cozy glow were they ever reformed
good video :>
Anyone else notice that Twilight, deciding that ponies with differences cannot be friends, magically strips those differences (as she understands them) from them? Doesn't this sound a lot like the first time we saw Starlight's Village...?
omg if they need a voice actor just ask me i will be happy to!!!!!
I think she eventually gave up her immortality and joined her friends in death. Unless it's contradicted at some point, that's my headcanon.
I can help with the drawing and do some sketch well if you want
Hi, i will say i'd love to make art for that stuff, but im still learning and cant draw horses, and also i dont have any form of payment if that's something you want, but if i ever learn how to draw horses and animals... I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT AM DO!!!! As in... i will probably make my own mlp world- because its fun