I’ve seen some interesting arguments, and I just want to add another point to the video real quick- Some people say Starlight isn’t an adequate comparison, even though she successfully destroyed Equestria a dozen times over again. Alright, fine. Then what about Chrysalis? She was standing right next to Cozy, and had kidnapped the princesses multiple times. In the season 6 finale, even after getting about as far as Cozy did in the season 8 finale, Starlight at least TRIED to offer her redemption. Also- I see people attacking writers- this is not the point of this video. The point of this video is to attack the characters as if they were real people. I’m calling Twilight a hypocrite, not the people who wrote Twilight.
Cozy's been at the Friendship School this whole time. Twilight HAS been teaching her friendship, and Cozy used it against her. Why was she not offered a hoof in friendship? Because she was already given it, and used it for her own agenda. They all knew Tirek and Chrysalis were evil before, but Cozy was unassuming and right under their noses. She was a clear threat that knew exactly what she was doing. And again, she came back for more. All the other villains outside her, Tirek and Chrysalis never did. She learned nothing from her punishment.
To make up for having Cozy Glow sent to Tartarus in Season 8, Celestia and Luna should have had her locked up in the same dungeon where they were locked up in during the Season 9 finale with frequent visits from a therapist since I don’t think Equestria has mental hospitals, it’s still a little dark but at least there’s a chance she’ll reform eventually.
@@DaveMan1K I doubt the school of friendship is specifically saying "friendship should not be used for evil! it's only for good!" and even with that, Cozy has an agenda + an already solidified misconception on what friendship is (a block used to get more power). If she was personally schooled on the matter, I believe she would've seen the error in her thought process. Also I don't believe that trapping a child, especially a mischievous/sly child, in a (literal) cage is the way to punish them. For Cozy, with her anger and her sharp mind, she'd only want to think about getting out. Especially since she was only reassured that her hate for Twilight and being evil is a good thing all throughout her stay in Tartarus. She's a child. She's emotional and can easily be steered towards the wrong way. Twilight knew she was going down the wrong path during their first confrontation and didn't think about helping her personally? Or offering her some sort of help? She should be disciplined for her actions but simply locking her in a cage and expecting it to turn out well is terrible.
@@MythicalTissue And seeing as locking her up didn't work, and she came back swinging harder, naturally they had to resort to something more permanent to keep her from harming others again. Twilight and the others were far harsher to the CMC in Ponyville Confidential than they were to Cozy. THAT was a true act of hypocrisy and dodging responsibility.
@@DaveMan1K it's like what was mentioned in the video, you can't put a square block into the circle hole. She still has plenty of time to grow and reform (as she's what, 12 at MAX?) and become a better person. Can a child truly never be saved? Especially as young as she is? They can't immediately write her off as a lost cause when she's likely not even halfway to adulthood yet. They just need a different approach that's all. If she continues to prove to be untrustworthy once she reaches adulthood, then she should be sealed. Till then they should work with her and keep her under tight supervision.
For sure, she definitely deserved better. I would even argue that Twilight DIDN'T try to reform her. That small talk wasn't her offering a second chance or explaining why she was wrong, just that she was wrong. With Starlight, she actually tried to help her change, and its not like that mare was any less stubborn. Heck, even after seeing the bad future, she still needed convincing. And that's not even getting into Discord, who never did anything to earn a second chance, consistently betrayed the trust and was forgiven all the time. And even after everything he pulled in season 9, he not only got to get away with it, but also got to pick Cozy's punishment. Honestly, even if she were an adult, I would still believe that Cozy deserved better. Her being a child just makes it even worse.
To me discord is the manifestation of a storytelling and him bringing the not redeemed villains the same place to work together was a way to deal with them once and for all.
The only reason why Discord was never turned back to stone was because of Fluttershy. Everyone knew that she was close to him, and if they inflicted a severe punishment on him, especially without her consent, she would be really upset.
Tbh, twi had a beef with starlight until she realized she cant beat starlight. Discord it was never twi choice to reform him, celestia wanted him to be reformed
Yes! Finally someone who actually likes season 8 & 9 like I do! And yeah, I completely agree with what you said. The only reason I think Cozy Glow wasn't reformed is because the writers didn't want to reform any villains in the final season and because Cozy Glow was introduced very late into the show she didn't have time to be reformed before the final season.
Which is a good choice since we need to have some villains remain bad in the show when it has it's final season. Jim Miller even stated that himself as I noticed. You may be uncertain but please understand what I'm saying all the same.
Cozy Glow is perfect to be reformed, Imo. At a school of friendship, for teaching friendship to those who don't understand. That is literally Cozy Glow. I like Cozy Glow as a villain and all, but come onnn it's the perfect set-up. You mentioned her connections to Starlight? Why not have Starlight break through to her in the end. I mean, school counselor. Yknow, get her to stop trying to be evil for a few seconds so she can learn *friendship is not for power*
True, true true! What's the point of a school of friendship if you aren't going to use it to eventually redeem a villian? It really is the perfect setup. Makes the end result dissapointing even beyond the argument of whether or not Cozy deserved her fate. (My answer to that is no)
i mean i think its implied that she understood just fine in fact her understanding of relationships was part of what made her so dangerous at manipulating poeple she was able overthrow,undermine or userp poeple with nothing but words...it was a lack of actually caring that was the issue.
I think what distinguishes Starlight from Twilight is that Starlight in the season 5 finale basically didn’t realize how significant Twilgiht and her friends were, as in opposition Cozy Glow tried to over throw a government Edit: I also think the tonal whiplash comes from the idea of Cozy Glow vs. the execution. Looking at her inspiration, it seems like they wanted her to be a grown mare in the body of a child, but never got the chance to elaborate on that.
Yeah, I figured the same thing; I can’t take the idea that Cozy actually is a child seriously. Based on the fact that we never see Cozy’s parents, the fact that she was able to concoct this whole long-running evil scheme, had these manipulation skills, and even her appearance giving some old-times vibes, I headcanoned that as you said, she really is an adult stuck in the body of a child (like Babydoll from Batman), and uses that to her advantage because it means people underestimate her and don’t perceive her as a threat. But, yeah, the show should’ve addressed that if it was the case, because it does kinda feel that at some point Twilight did become aware of it. Edit: looks like someone else in the comments section said the same thing, including the Babydoll comparison.
@@Mathma7 This had always been my interpretation so it's super jarring to see people who didn't think of her this way. They are literally buying into her facade. Aside from her character design, we don't see anything that confirms she ISN'T an adult.
If this is the way then her physical appearance is reminiscent of people who act this way (NiceGuys, Neckbeards, etc) because they have a very childish way of perceiving friendship.
> becomes princess of friendship > Start a friendship school > Send a child to hell and not even thinking of reforming or getting her help for what she's done > Bruh
I wish there was an alternate version of Season 9 where episode 8 was the start of a reformation for Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis (as in, they actually accept the burgeoning spark of friendship instead of rejecting it) and Grogar was actually Grogar who comes right on the cusp of defeating the heroes before Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis suddenly show up to save the day. Speaking of, when Grogar was revealed to be Discord, I immediately started thinking that he might have been trying to engineer a spark of friendship in those three, to give them a chance at reformation like Fluttershy had given him. My disappointment was immeasurable when it was almost immediately after revealed that he was just trying to stage an 'epic battle' at Twilight's coronation.
Well he basically helped twilight by dealing with major obstacles before her becomes ruler of equestria and not having to deal with those obstacles again for atlest a thousand years.
Just a reminder as to why this even happened, according to Jim Miller when addressed about Season 8. I'm not saying it's a good reason, it's just the official reason. Cozy was intended as a subversion of expectations, as you wouldn't expect the main antagonist of an MLP season to be not only a child, but also a character introduced in the middle of the season instead of at the beginning or end of it. And on top of that to hit that nail in the subversive coffin, she wasn't given that chance at redemption to reverse what we've come to expect from major pony villains like Sunset, Starlight and Stygian. It was all broken due to how it was handled, of course. And when asked for more justification for this decision, other writers stated that she, A. has no canonical parents that be brought to the table for helping her, and B. she was actually an adult in a child's body, like Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series. One is an oversight when it came to writing a villain like this, as at least with other evil children in media that are along the lines of Cozy Glow (Draco Malfoy, Porky Minch, etc.) we get some exploration of their home life and how they grew into the vile people they became, regardless if there was any justification. Cozy didn't get any of that, so that second excuse was thrown in.
"she was actually an adult in a child's body" I... wha? that would've been explored/explained in the show if it was an excuse... I'm treating this excuse as non-canon, this is just BS
@@BuildingWolf100_WolfDab Exactly. It's a way of justifying locking her away, when people were disturbed by the fact that, well, a *child* was locked up in Tartarus. It's a way of saying, "There's nothing to get up in arms about, because she's not actually a child."
They wanna make up for redeeming Starlight so bad /j😂 but fr, why make a her a literal child if she was "not technically a child"? Give her a different base that look older if that's the case. That reasoning is so bs
"They gave Cozy Glow chances!" Nope, Twilight had one conversation with her post the reveal she was evil and that was it. They did not even attempt anything besides the Tartarus imprisonment beyond that. "Cozy Glow could manipulate everypony and that would make it hard for them to tell if she was really reformed or not!" Starlight Glimmer literally ran Our Town with an iron fist and attempted to brainwash the Mane Six on screen, and also brainwashed the ponies of Our Town. She was just as manipulative as Cozy Glow, and she still got a reformation arc. "She almost tired to destroy Equestria-" Starlight messed with the timeline and made multiple bad futures which for all we know, could still exist for the sake of revenge. Nightmare Moon took over and wanted to make the night last forever. Discord threw Equestria into chaos. Tempest Shadow was one of the Storm King's underlings. All were reformed. Anyway if you're gonna say Cozy Glow deserves to be stone its only fair Discord is in the garden with her. Literally everything in Season 9 was his fault, and it's not magically better because he wanted to "help" Twilight
This comment made me realize that a LOT of the villians are manipulative. Discord is manipulative. Starlight is manipulative. Chrysalis is too, I mean, you kinda have to be when you're Queen Shapeshifter, and although she wasn't redeemed, Starlight still tried (not really, she tried as much as Twilight tried to redeem Cozy, but it was still a possibility in the moment.) Sunset Shimmer is manipulative. It's actually pretty interesting. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that so many of the villains are manipulative, it's repetitive, but not in a bad way. Just neat.
@@Icantchangemyhandlehelp k so there is a vid that sums up why cozy glow tereck and chrysalis y they should not be reformed ( CHANNEL NAME ) : MrVectorMV ( VIDEO NAME ) : The legion of doom do not deserve reformation) watch it cuz he explains why cozy shouldn’t be reformed
To be fair starlight has an excuse of not being aware of the consequences of her actions. For all she knew, she was just messing with a single friend group, she had NO idea about how awful those futures were until the end
Starlight: an adult that enslaves a whole village for however long, kidnaps Twilight and her friends and ruins timelines in personal revenge against Twilight. Consequences? Becomes best friends with the princess of friendship, casual friendship with her friends and other princesses as well. Cozy: a child that misunderstands the purpose of friendship and tried to do whatever Tirek did. Consequences? Hell, and then turned into stone for maybe 1000 years. Fair is fair and Starlight is not a canon Mary Sue 👍
Did you even watch mlp starlight to her was living a good life until this random stranger comes outta no where and mess her whole way of life up and ofc she wants revenge she did not know stopping rainbow dash would ruin timelines cuz she could not see them twilight literally had to show her that’s why when she saw what she did she felt terrible and wanted to change meanwhile cozy KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING THE whole time even said it herself she gonna send starlight away to get out of the way and she trapped the kids there to and that spell would banish them away and she was laughing twilight tried to tell her to change but she said no starlight did not know what she did but cozy did.
@@Antagonists_godso what? She’s a grown woman and she still started a cult. Her life wasn’t ruined when she lost sunburst it was sad sure. But she’s still bitter about that in her adult hood then she really needs to get it together and she doesn’t.
@@iamcat1797 ok so even tho cozy tried to banish starlight and the student 6 for getting in the way of her plan the 6 gives her a chance she ignores that and literally says friendship is power and then she constantly minpluting the kids at least starlight wanted to just get revenge at twilight and her friends she did not know she was destroying timelines twilight had to show her what she was doing meanwhile cozy gloe tried to get rid of all magic cuz triekk said so she had no revenge plot or anything that was pure evil at it finest people can’t except some people are born evil.
It’s funny when Tempist, the terrorist who did one good thing, was let go without any repercussions. While the child who had most likely been manipulated by Tirek,was thrown into hell and then turned into a rock. I get it, her actions where heinous, but she’s a child who doesn’t know better 😂
They litteraly put a child in prison and then changed her into a statue :') she's still young, she had a whole redemption path ahead tbh EDIT : Calm down guys, we've all done horrible stuff for our own amusement or interest as kids and then realized it was wrong af, she was just on a whole other scale, but still, putting a child in litteral hell doesn't seem like the best solution to me
@@tikimillie How I see it her cutie mark is highligting the way she can lead a ''army'' by choosing where to put each person (chess piece) by looking at their advantages and defaults I believe she could learns to use it for, by example, the army protecting princess Celestia. She could be very useful and bring a new view point to them
To be fair just because a villain is a child doesn't mean there redeemable just look at characters like evil morty from rick and morty or Azula from Avatar The Last Airbender.
Ok so I agree with everything here. What makes me mad is that almost every other villain was offered the chance. Chrysalis kidnapped Cadence and left her in a mine to die, literally attacked Twilight, almost took over Canterlot, and then kidnapped almost everyone in Equestria to take it over. And SHE was offered Redemption. I don't hate the writing of the later seasons, I'm definitely not the biggest fan of them by any means, but Cozy Glows writing needed to be worked on. She was only evil when the plot called for it, she's easily the villain with the most screen time (minus Flim and Flam probably) and yet we no next to nothing as to why she wanted to do what she did. Even the writers probably didn't know since when she's asked she just basically glosses over the question. A friend of mine had a theory that with the School of Friendship there was going to be a spinoff series for the young 6 and Cozy was going to be the main villain for them but the show never got off the ground and that's why they just didn't seem to know what to do with her.
Cozy not only tried to do the same to all mane 6 (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. Chrysalis acted with much less lethal intent, caring for her hive. Cozy is a real dangerous psychopath and is the least of those three to be redeemed.
I actually just pretend that The Ending of the End didn't happen and instead the real Grogar returned. The heroes and villains teamed up to stop him, the villains learned the value of friendship and everyone lived happily ever after. You know... WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THE WRITERS HADN'T BEEN SO GUNG HO ON THAT STUPID GrOgAr wAs aCtUaLlY DiScOrD PlOt tWiSt!!!
I was really hoping that Discord's motivation was to try and reform them by getting them to work together, and showing them what can happen when you do so. Like, "You gave me a chance when no one else would. I thought I could do the same"
I hate it when people tried to argue that she WAS given a chance and she denied it- no, nopony actually even TRIED!! And you mentioned that Starlight did the same thing, and i somehow didnt even consider that! Yeah! Why is it any different for this grown mare than it is for this small child?
The thing was with starlight she did not know what she was doing twilight had to show her so she can change she did not know that twilight and her friend s was this important.
@@Antagonists_god Starlight DID know what she was doing. Only after seeing the possible future results of her actions, she realized that what she would gain from it was not worth it. That's why she decided to accept Twilight's offer to be her student.
While i still believe cozy glow should have been reformed instead of imprisoned, comparing her to starlight isn't fair because of motivation and knowledge Starlight took revenge against cutie marks when making her village and then took revenge on twilight by making all these alternate timelines. the last of which she didn't know would end the world btw, she was genuinely surprised when twilight showed her how important her friendships were. Cozy was intentionally malicious, trying to effectively take over the WORLD twice while knowing how disastrous both of those would be. Cozy lacks empathy and thats made clear in the show more than once while starlight doesn't. The root for everything that cozy tried to do is simply that her view on friendship is HEAVILY misguided, which is why i believe they should have at least tried to reform her better than twilight did at the end of the season 8 finale. If she tried then and cozy still didn't accept though then ngl i can see putting her in stone then, shes too manipulative to be trusted 😹
Yeah I really wish the writers had made the characters try more to give Cozy Glow another chance. I only remember Twilight confronting Cozy after she was outed as being the villain and then they just decided to put her in Tartarus. 🫤
Problem is, unlike Chrysalis and Tirek, Cozy is a dangerous psychopath. How do you redeem psycho? She not only tried to starve all mane 6 (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, all while pretending to be their friend, then later teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. This is not case of view on friendship being misguided.
@@Hariester Yeah I keep leaning towards her not deserving redemption the more I think about it all deeply. People keep saying she is a kid but this kid did all this? Without regrets? Knowing full well what she was doing? 🫠
My question is: How did Cozy get in contact with Tirek in the first place, and why did she feel the need to seek out evil powers at all? What does her cutiemark represent?? WHY Did she choose to be evil??? I agree she should have had an attempt for reformation, but I'm curious about what lies behind Cozyglow. Why did she want to do any of this in the first place? "Power is to make friends," but does Cozy want power, or friendship, and why go to such extremes to get it?? It could just be an odd choice from the writers but if there are missing pieces they'd be fun to chat about- If anyone has any theories please share because I genuinely wanna figure this out.
I feel like the writers got kinda sick of reforming villains over a half assed apology so took pleasure just having the heroes go no holds barred on them in the later points, maybe a bit TOO much. Really I feel like the bigger catch is Discord got away scot free and even helped punished the three, despite enlisting and straight up bullying them into doing the scheme in the first place. This was ALWAYS his plan, just a bit more chaotic than he had originally hoped, to lead them into a fun little war against Twilight and then watch them get punished for laughs. It kinda read that Discord hadn't really learned much even by the end of the show, except to pick on dickheads who KINDA deserved it.
I’m still annoyed by Discord’s actions…like yeah he wanted to have Twilight think she was prepared to rule over Equestria and take on any problem…and she did do that in the end but…🤦🏾♀️ I…I would be really pissed at Discord afterwards that’s just me I’m sorry….maybe it has to do with him being the lord of chaos but still…his plan that he thought he could handle ended up backfiring and as a result Equestria was about to fall… Like I guess he had good intentions in wanting to give Twilight confidence but that was really bad execution there are better ways to give friends confidence.
@@ShinoriDelfrim After so many cases of trolling Twilight with the excuse "Oh well I was TESTING you" with the obvious amount of smarminess that implied "Nah I was just enjoying myself", it was a bit hard to even buy that. It felt almost like he was playing his usual game, just he resorted to picking more directly on the villains while Twilight technically got a good deal out of it, thinking the heroes wouldn't yell at him if the prank technically wasn't picking on her this time and more assholes no would feel sorry for. He was still trying to loophole being a shithead.
Yeah, no. The "but she's a child!" argument does not apply when you make fully conscious, manipulative, and intentionally malicious decisions. Cozy knows what friendship is. There's no misunderstanding on that part, and she's shown great aptitude in manipulating ponies to become "friends." She wants power and knows that friendship is a way to get it. Nobody told her that gaining power by using other people is the goal; again, it's not a misunderstanding, it's having a goal and being shown the "tools" to use it. Her desire for control is not something that anyone could've fixed, because even while being taught all the right things, she was still evil. Tartarus is not "pony hell", it's jail under a different name. And yeah, that sucks, but after conspiring with a known tyrant to trap the Mane 6 (including an alicorn princess) and remove the magic from the land all while almost killing 6 other kids in the process? Yes, the punishment is 100% warranted. It's not unheard of for kids to go to adult prison over adult crimes. And she hasn't changed. She stuck to her guns and tried to escape. And the second she got out of prison she helped cause what's probably the greatest threat Equestria's had to deal with. Even if Cozy was redeemable in any way, not only was it too much of a risk, but I personally don't even think she'd deserve it. Yes I know that goes against the themes but you _cannot_ convince me that the terrorist deserves a second chance. Also, the comparison to Starlight doesn't really work. For one, Twilight was hesitant about offering her friendship in the first place. She did it specifically because, as she and the Mane 6 agreed, Starlight was way too powerful to just... Leave alone. The best course of action was redemption because the risk of not doing so outweighed whatever actions she took. Along with that, Starlight didn't know about the importance of Twilight and her friends. In her eyes, this was just petty revenge where Twilight would end up a loner, not a drastic change that would ruin the entire nation. And, unlike Cozy Glow, Starlight doesn't have inherently evil motivations. She wants equality and friendship because she couldn't handle abandonment. Obviously doesn't excuse her actions, but you can empathize with it. But Cozy? Cozy is just a megalomaniac, plain and simple. One is a lot easier to fix. Please stop babying Cozy. She's not a "real" child, she knew exactly what she was doing. That kind of pity from her childlike appearance/demeanor is exactly what she used to manipulate others.
Every single one of Cozy Glow's defenders treats her like she is brain-dead. "Oh, she could not understand the consequences of what she was doing." Living in a society whose basis is MAGIC ITSELF, how could she? Really? She knew exactly what the consequences were and counted on them to gain power. Even if just a filly, she was capable of manipulating EVERYONE. Fellow kids and her teachers. If she is THAT capable, she has the capacity to understand what she was doing. She laughed when singing that they would crush their enemies while they all screamed. "She was just a child. There were worse villains who the Mane 6 guided through redemption." And how did they? Teaching friendship. If the litteral SCHOOL OF FRIENDSHIP did not work on Cozy, then she obviously is a lost cause. People need to understand that we probably do not get a reason for her actions because they are simply based in megalomania and selfishness.
@TwyCrowMasker plus some people are just horrible and there's nothing you can really do about it, and there are plenty of evil children characters in media that do far worse than Cozy Glow yet I don't see anybody defending them, double standards
Chrysalis definitely deserved the statue punishment cause she was a lost cause and Tirek CAN be rendered useless without magic and jailed with higher security and no way of contact to the outside world (stone statue can still apply to him too), but Cozy wasn’t explored enough to warrant that fate. She was already in a bad state of mind by the time she was put in pony jail and Discord worsened that by letting her out and team up with Equestria’s dangerous villains in an act of “getting along and being friends” Discord reformed cause he met the cruel reality of being friendless and lonely. His need to do the same to 4 already insane bad guys was already a bad idea and the fact he didn’t think it through is just a shit move cause he saw first hand that they WILL attack his friends which includes FLUTTERSHY of all characters, should’ve gave him an idea that getting involved wasn’t going to bring anything good to the table. It doesn’t help when he orchestrated that entire attack indirectly and then got to choose Cozy’s fate immediately after.
The only reason why Discord wasn't turned back to stone was either because his chaos needed to balance out the harmony in Equestria or because of Fluttershy. Everyone knows that she and him are super close, and if they turned him back to stone without her consent or otherwise, she would be extremely upset.
3:39 this comparison reminds me of how in Tangled the series Varian whos like 14 gets sent to jail for kidnapping the queen and whatever instead of like… therapy? but then Cassandra tries to destroy the entire kingdom and kill Repunzal multiple times and gets sent off without consequences
This is where Twilight loses to Koro-sensei. He took care of every single one of his students until his last breath, no matter what they did. But to play devil's advocate, Cozy Glow was written as an adult posing as a kid, according to the show staff. That never made it to the show so it's not canon, but it's part of why they wrote her fate that way. The other part is that she's a traitor, who pretended to be with the good guys for a long time and then backstabbed them, so that feels worse than what the other villains did, and also how do you even try to redeem her? How do you know she's actually changed, and not just pretending again? Especially when she's smarter than everyone else? It's complicated, and you'd be betting everyone's lives on it. And the "funny" part is that this is a problem we will face in real life, once AI gets smart enough. Cozy Glow is basically the paperclip maximizer.
Cozy not only tried to starve all mane 6 to death (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, all while pretending to be their friend, then later teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. Chrysalis acted with much less lethal intent, caring for her hive. Cozy is a real dangerous psychopath (only her, Chrysalis and Tirek are not psychopaths) and is the least of those three to be redeemed.
Finally, someone who agrees that Cozy deserved better. She clearly didn’t understand friendship, but they didn’t even TRY to teach her! Like, I’m okay with not redeeming every SINGLE villain, but Cozy is one who I think SHOULD have a redemption arc.
I had the idea of Cozy glow being a villain in G5! the reunion of the pony crystals caused some chain reaction that freed her from stone. she's now a preteen with a darker patch on her forehead and her back hooves as a side effect of turning into an alicorn and then it being reversed.
Its sad to think how Cozy's parents if she even had any would've felt, not knowing what happened to their daughter must be heartbreaking until they found out what happened an become even more heartbroken.
There is also something to be said about the fact that Cozy was in direct correspondence with Tirek and spent her imprisonment trying to "befriend" him, and the show insists that he hardly influenced her.
@@DromusTH When the Mane Six confront Tirek in Tartarus, he only claims to have answered Cozy's questions about how to drain the magic in Equestria, after she sought him out.
Yeah I pointed this out before that they didn't even try to understand or reform Cozy Glow! Her actions were misguided because she is a child and nopony bothered to find her parents or where she came from😎
Well, the ponies does know that not every villain wants to reform and that they have to defeat them in order to save Equestria and if the villains remains bad in the end and wants to, it's their choice which they have to accept.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967she’s like ten years old. You send a misbehaving child to juvie (which has its own huge hold of issues but still) and extensive therapy. You don’t send them to federal prison. All of this issue can be resolved if they just, didn’t put her Tartarus and did make an effort to redeem her in some way. Starlight and Discord have done some equally messed up stuff, and yet are given a chance because they’re so powerful and thus can be “a helpful force”. Cozy is literally just a child who’s good at manipulating people. If everyone really is wise enough to her schemes, and actually talking and reasoning with her, and *using their brain*, she holds no power.
Twilight Sparkle, neither turned Cozy Glow to stone nor sent her to Tarturus (which is not hell); Celestia did that. Celestia, who even Twilight Sparkle was hesitant to reintroduce Sunset Shimmer to for fear of her wrath, Celestia who imprisoned her sister for 1000 years (or indefinitely depending on interpretation) for her attempted coupe. Further Cozy Glows age isn't clearly established. I personally suspect that Cozy Glow looks young for her age and is in the 15 - 19 year range. But it makes a lot of sense that the School of Friendship would fit the 'Vocational Highschool" range of the US/Canda education, assuming that MLP is set in an era where highschool education is elective. In the US justice system being a minor protects you for punishments for most crimes, but for particularly drastic crimes a minor may be stripped of this protection. The factors weighed, are the subjects age, the significance of their actions, and their understanding of them. Cozy Glow set into motion a complex plan to sieze power and devastate the nation by stripping it of its magical power. This complex scheming shows a clear understanding of her own actions and an adult punishment is warrented. Lastly you and many others seem to misremember why Twilight Sparkle tried to redeem Starlight Glimmer. It wasn't anything like Twilight seeing the good within her and wanting her to change. She begged Starlight to give the world a second chance because Twilight was completely out of other options. After that is the complicated process of working out a fair punishment for someone who conditionally surrendered.
What about Discord they forgave him multiple times like when he betrayed everyone to help tirek who is basically the devil to take over all of Equestria so to do that he gave tirek all the magic from every single pony which is basically the exact same thing cozy glow did and when they defeat tirek they don't give Discord any sort of punishment or when he brought back King sombra who is also basically the devil and gave him enough power to enslave the Crystal Empire and Ponyville just to give the main sex a boost in confidence and he released three of the most genocidal villains to give them enough power to attack Twilight and her friends that might have possibly caused in thousands of deaths sure of course this explodes right back into discords face when they betray him but they still don't give him any kind of punishment don't you think that's kind of weird how they forgave Discord and gave him another chance but didn't give cozy glow another chance
@AngelloGomez-nh6cc Discord was imprisoned in stone for over 1000 years . . . He wasn't just forgiven. Celestia *wanted* to use him as a force for good and sent him to be reformed (by magic if necessary?). We don't know why he was given his third chance, but it stands to reason his broad usefulness to crown is a part of it, as well as his remorse for his actions. In season 9, he immediately put himself on the line to help Equestria as soon as the situation was out of control (Sombra was never really a threat, Discord could have stomped him if things went to far). Cozy Glow only got turned to stone/imprisoned we don't know if these punishments include a time-frame and maybe Cozy Glow will get her second chance 1000+ years later.
btw you cant compare destroying shoes to destroying at least 25% of canterlot and ending equestria edit: I meant to say that cozy is a lost cause after the ending of the end which was atleast partly caused by twilight fumbling her interaction and her treatment t
Yeah she almost destroyed magic. BUT DUDE STARLIGHT DOOMED THE ENTIRE WORLD. She messed with time, created multiple world ending timelines where who knows how many creatures died especially the last one where we got a canon fallout Equestria timeline and even threatened to destroy the spell so that the current timeline remains doomed and who knows what happens. I mean even if Magic got destroyed (probably resulting in how many deaths), in the end ponies can live without magic as said in G5 (Doesn't matter whether u consider it canon or not). Compare that to Starting the apocalypse multiple times, starting Brutal dictatorships (🌙 time line) , Mass oofing (tirek), Extinction of ponies (🪲 timeline) and last but not least fallout or total Extinction and destruction of the planet. Yeah starlight has a planet of blood on her compared to cozy who's after math wouldn't have been that bad. I mean not saying She didn't deserve punishment but bro if she ever breaks out she's gonna go Absolute Thanos.
I mean, literally everything she did in Season 9 is Discord's fault. Yeah, she's evil but she wasn't going to escape Tartarus without Discord freeing her (unless Cerberus left it's post like in It's About Time). Discord doesn't even get punished when the only reason the Elements of Harmony were destroyed was because of him because he freed Sombra, and how the denizens of the Crystal Empire were re-enslaved by Sombra AND he managed to enslave Cloudsdale, Ponyville and Canterlot's citizens too. Not to mention that Cozy attempting to destroy/take over Equestria s something MULTIPLE G4 villains attempted and still got redeemed for! Nightmare Moon tried to take over and go redeemed in the second episode of the show, Discord got reformed, Starlight Glimmer, every changeling except Chrysalis, Sunset Shimmer, Tempest Shadow, even characters exclusive to the comics. But back to my initial point, if what Cozy did is worthy of being stone forever Discord should be in the garden with her Tirek and Chrysalis.
@@agentace962 Discord is an adult but he is a spirit of chaos and disharmony, Expecting him to think and act like a normal grown man and putting him to the same standards you would a normal adult doesn't make sense. While I can agree that twilight should have came to Tartarus and tried to help cozy glow even more while there That Discord in his chaotic mind truly was trying to help the leader of the country be prepared to lead and saw himself as a safety net in case things went bad. In put himself in harms way to help make things right. Cozy glow should have gotten more help. But Discord in s9 isn't like chrysalis tirek or tirek
may have an explanation. ofc it doesnt excuse sending a child to hell but still. i think the difference is, and you can even hear it in what twilight says, is her "relationship" with starlight and cozy glow before the finales. i mean starlight was first introduced as stealing cutie marks, whereas cozy was introduced as a student at the school. ie starlight was already a villian when she met twilight but cozy seemed like a determined student. i think twilight saw starlight as someone who she could teach, whereas she saw cozy glow as someone she failed teaching. like i said, cozy does not deserve to be sent to hell and should definitely have a chance to reform, but i think for twilight, cozy glow being evil just stung more than starlight
Not to mention in season 3 discord confirms that he did in fact hear everything that happened while being locked in stone. That is equally as bad as being locked up
I agree with you, the punishments cozy got were wrong and deserved better. plus we don't know a thing about her. where did she come from, what were her true motives, what happened that made her that way, and most importantly, did she have any family?
I feel like they were kinda trapped by the fact they only had two more seasons, it wouldnt feel as satisfying to redeem her in a couple episodes or even a montage (i havent watched mlp in a while)
In my opinion Cozy Glow did deserve a punishment just not the punishment she got, i mean yeah she was a child but Equestria could've been a disaster if her plan actually was sucessful, still it was Twilight's fault cuz she said that she misunderstood what she said yet confirmed what Cozy Glow said. Do i think Cozy Glow could be reformed? Well i'm 50/50 cause she seemed like she knew what she was doing but like i said she is a child so i'm kind of torn with my opinion but i think she has the slight potential to get reformed but at the same time i'm not sure but i would've actually like to see that, i feel like she deserved a less harsh of a punishment but harsh enough that she would learn her lesson
Didn't Twilight only try to reform Starlight because she knew she couldn't beat Starlight with her magic abilities alone since they were pretty much equals? Twilight already defeated Cozy Glow and had her surrounded, so when she did try to make an attempt at reforming her and Cozy Glow rejected it, they must have been like, "Well we already beat you and have you surrounded so we dont really have to try and reform you and we can just send you to tartarus and keep you there forever since you nearly stole all the magic from equestria."
I always thought it was a but much, she's a fucking child who got a hold of the worst villain in all the series! I know it wasn't grooming since Tirek was just answering questions, and was probably more annoyed than happy, but it still seems off. Hell, we never see her parents or family. MLP is afraid to shy away from parental neglect, Scootaloo being a prime example. Is there not any pony juvie!? Therapy!? Hell, there is a reason so many people think Flurry Heart could have been the one to save her one day, and become real friends!
@hearmeout1767 Her cutie mark isn't the King on a Chess board or even a Queen. It's a rook. A piece that can see the full board and control entire files. A person who can see the full picture. While that can be looked at negatively, there's a few jobs and purposes that could use that skillset positively. Such as any sort of leader, a general, a regular chess player, a motivational speaker, a salespony..whatever. Cutie Marks don't make you evil, they just show your special gifts
I will say this looking back at the seasons Cozy kidnappped a teacher, Plotted to trap a princess in Tartarus with the rest of those who she knew could stop her, Almost destroyed cloudsdale and caused everyone to lose magic. That was all in her introduction what the child did was Treason and assuming based on what ponies do for a cutiemark showing up she would be around 15 as a cutesenara is based on a quincenera for a 15th birthday. It was never confirmed how old she was but still she was aware she was doing it to gain power. Not to mention she was penpals with Tirek who likely warped her way of thinking if her cutiemark is to say anything she is a manipulator and a stratagist. Those kinds of people can not always be reasoned with. I can see why she would be sent to Tartarus for this and this is before discord broke her out of Tartarus. While what starlight did was brainwash a town to give up their cutiemarks and caused a time spell nothing she did was irreversible unlike what Cozie was doing. Even if she was turned to stone say she was taken out of stone when Twilight sealed magic away in the unity crystals. This would lead to why the ponies in that gen were given false information on eachother and seperated as much as they were. Though that is theoretical in and of itself.
Finally, someone who understands this !! She was fully aware of what she was doing and completely dwarves to be punished for it. Some people are just born to be like that and CAN'T be fixed. The fact that they showed that in mlp makes me love the show all the more. Rather than having every villain redeemed in the end, they showed that some villains CAN'T change and deserve basically eternal punishment, which almost adds a sense of realism to the show. Not everyone can be changed and some people will always be downright evil, regardless of how you treat them.
@@17snowflakesNo one is born evil. If you believe this, you are supporting the “US vs THEM” mentality which can be used to subjugate entire communities. See, every human rights violation ever. If you think that an actual child is deserving of eternal torment when her crime are ON PAR with villains who get redeemed, I think you missed the point of My Little Pony (when it was still good).
0:02 nah Imagine the child planned on putting everyone in the world in prison to work for her. Or taking over by force as a dictator. And almost succeeded. THEN what would you do. NOT give her jail time? Note that this child is at least 13 but definitely older (edit: at least as old as) the CMCs who had been growing for years from Season 1 to Season 8/9. I'd estimate they were between 10-12 when Season 1 started but certainly at least 13 when getting their marks. Yeah the statue is kinda crazy but the jail time is warranted imo
Twilight might actually have done the same to starlight if she was able to defeat starlight. twilight sparkle wasn't able to stop her from changing the timeline without offering friendship, she tried everything else but when all failed she said "if you can't beat em, join em". cozy glow is different because twilight was able to beat her and didn't have to offer her friendship
I'll tell you why, the writers got hate because they started reforming everybody (starlight, changelings, discord) so they didn't reform these 3..... and it still got hate 🤷♀
At this point, They shouldn't even listen to some bronies. They don't want reformed villains? Who cares the target audience won't mind and the other half of the adult audience sure as heck won't.
I personally think it would have been so SO much better if Starlight and Cozy switched roles. Cozy, a child, misunderstood friendship, so she becomes Twilight’s student and tries to improve. Meanwhile, Starlight, a literal cult leader who fucked with time itself gets locked away, then teams up with Chrysalis and Tirek for revenge. I just cannot believe every single character, even the ones who were brainwashed, were so quick to forgive Starlight, who took their lives for god knows how long, but Cozy instantly gets sent to Hell for confusing friendship with power. It’s just awful.
Yeah, this has always bothered me as well. It makes my heart sink every time I think that that's how they ended the show and the only hint we got of them returning was at the end of the "Season 10" comic which will probably be rendered non-canon at this rate. It's not just Twilight who looked bad in all this, but Celestia, Luna and Discord. Discord was the one who suggested they turn them to stone which does nothing for his character development since he knows how it feels to be given a second chance (and a third and fourth one too if you think about it). Luna would also know a thing or two about that, and Celestia, who had the idea of reforming Discord to begin with shouldn't have let this happen. This is why I just say that Discord was whispering something else to Celestia and Luna and suggested they keep them in stone for a while and then release them later to be put through a reforming class. This is what I did with my fanfiction series to make Discord and the princesses look like less of hypocrites and I gave Cozy an emotional reform arch that helps tell why she is the way she is. It would have been way better for them to actually take Cozy in that direction, but by the time we had 9 seasons, I think Hasbro just wanted it to be all over with and didn't care if those three got their redemption arcs or not.
look, you weren't the first to make a fanfic of this story of cozy glow being reformed since someone who speaks Spanish made a fanfic about this that was in 2020, although if they don't put the ideas you mention with celestia, luna and discord and the whisper thing, but I understand well that something that was at the end of the series is that by staying in stones it leaves a lot to talk about since they should be aware that they would be released by the weakening of magic or that the ties are broken or diminished because discord was released once, and the fanfic that I tell you about does not cover those things or what you mention but the ideas sound similar to the ideas that the G5 has as a twilight I don't feel like such a good ruler and that at least it is less incompetent than what they show in the g5 and the issue of the separation between ponies that instead of being from equestria it is actually the conflict between equestria and the crystal empire. The fanfic is called "Impera" and is on Fanfiction Net, it is in Spanish which you won't understand unless you use a translator.
My thought was that Cozy Glow *was* an adult, but a dwarf. She remained the size of a filly, despite being full grown. I think I was just waiting for the reveal of that. Now I'm making a headcanon where this was the case, and she wanted power, so ponies stopped looking down at her. Figuratively as a tyrant, and literally as a pseudo-alicorn.
Twilight:*forgive and offer friendship to a grown adult who wants to take over the world* Also Twilight:*locks up or helps turn into a minor who did the same thing.*
about cozy. Discord was sealed in stone. If they were gonna do more seasons, I feel like they probably would of unsealed cozy specifically and left sombra and Chris to their fates for a good hundred years
I still to this day wish they would have given us some backstory on Cozy Glow and give an explanation as to WHAT her reason were that drove her to become evil and want to try and take over Equestria. I really wish they would have reformed the little filly, definitely unfair of her to get turned into stone. I understand Chrysalis and Tirek since they showed no interest in being reformed or bettering themselves but Cozy was a child who COULD have been reformed if given the chance. I feel bad for Cozy despite the things she did, especially when the writers of MLP gave us no backstory for her. Who knows what could have drove her into doing the things she did.
Starlight literally couldn't be locked up at all because she's too powerful. The only way to stop her was to get her to realize the error of her ways. She obviously isn't evil either, just has strong ideals. What was Twilight supposed to do, stop her from tearing up the scroll with the promise that things can be better for her, and then as soon as they got back, pull a gotcha? How would she have done that? She can't beat Starlight in a fight. Starlight can stop Discord too. If she didnt play that moment exactly how she did, Starlight wouldve ripped up the scroll and everything wouldve been fucked. Twilight isn't stupid. And Twilight probably realized, like Celestia did with discord, that someone this powerful is probably pretty useful to have on the good side. Starlight didn't crave power, or control. Starlight didn't work with a PURELY evil being such a Tirek on her own volition. Starlight did what she did to hurt Twilight and nothing else, and wasn't intentionally or even knowingly "destroying" Equestria. Intentions do matter in the context of this series. And she saved the fucking world. So like I said, Twilight had the wisdom and foresight that she could be beneficial on the good side and it paid off... Cozy Glow perfectly masterminded a very scary plan, almost intentionally KILLED the student 6 in the process, outsmarting everyone at almost every step of the way. She got closer to achieving her goals than almost any other villain. Young murderers get locked up in real life for killing one person or a couple, sometimes for half their life or more. There also isn't any indication that she was going to Tartarus "forever" when she's initially locked up- with that severe of a crime, do you not think she deserved to be in the same place as Tirek who she worked with and did a similar crime? After getting busted out and doing even worse actions against the world, at that point, hell yea get in that fucking stone. Cozy is an evil character, and incredibly intelligent. I do not believe the "she's a child" argument extends on forever like people seem to think. I think Twilight correctly identifies her as unreformable, a creature of pure evil, and not a potential asset to the wellbeing of Equestria like Starlight. Whether or not that's the "right" choice doesn't matter; it doesn't have to be. We've seen Twilight go against her pure ideals of friendship being the answer for everything in the MLP movie, when preserving Equestria(HER JOB), takes priority over it in her eyes. The whole thing was very scary, Cozy Glow almost erased magic FOREVER, and if Twilight saw only darkness within Cozy Glow, I don't think her judgement is something that's not understandable. You could go even further if you want and say, we don't even know if she is a child! Cozy Glow was intentionally designed as a character who is mysterious. She straight up has a skull in one episode beforehand. She could just look like a child for all we know. This is even a Big JIm approved potential headcanon- the post-series EQD interview with him is a great watch. You could say this is an excuse for "lazy writing" but part of the reason MLP is so popular in the first place is because headcanoning is so doable and popular. Saying Cozy Glow is a child over and over again and leaving it at that just removes a lot of nuance of the series and trust in Twilight's judgement we have no reason not to have at this point, when you could have fun with other possibilities.
Every character is only as strong as the writing allows them to be. Meaning that Starlight definitely could have been defeated and locked away if the writing had taken that direction. No character is "too powerful". Chrysalis, who nearly lost to a wooden copy of Twilight, beat Starlight relatively easily. Cozy Glow imprisoned Starlight. There are no consistent power levels in mlp.
@@Darostelijaawhat are you on about? Chrysalis "easily" beat starlight when she was supercharged from the bell... Of course these characters aren't real and power levels are based on writing. Starlight was intentionally written that way. When youre talking about the context, nuance, and implications of Cozy Glow seasons later, you can only base it off the existing material ... "yea but they could've written it differently if they wanted" is a non statement because they didnt
Not only did the lock a filly in Pony Hell, they locked her like 5 feet away from the person who told her how to steal all magic, how in any universe would that possibly turn out good?
0:10 big difference between dropping printer ink and litterally trying to take over the world,not once but twice. that being said i agree that cozy glow was handled poorly,litterally every villian in mlp was givin motive and a backstory to explain how and why they became the way they are,litterally everyone except cozy glow. despite her status as a re accuring villian we know absolutely nothing about her. Luna wanted to bring eternal night because she felt her role was unapreciated Discord being an embodiment of chaos,his existence actually depends on his bizaar behavior and couldnt particularly help his inborn nature. King sombra,from what i understand was similiarly ill fated as a villian as he was born as an Umbra with some kind of curse that predestined him to steal the crystal heart...in fact just being around the heart actually hurt him even as a child. Crysalis was a product of a species born to feed off of love,and as thier ruler assumed the the only way to get it was to steal it and was simply set in her ways....then afterwords she was driven by revenge for being usurped tirek wanted magical power to compinsate for his insecurities towards his father,something he likely feels very strong about seeing as discord really pushed his buttons just by mentioning it Starlight was left behind and had clear abandonment issues,she saw magic,talents and seperation as something that only led to friendships being torn apart and thought eliminating those things would keep poeple togather Styigian wanted the respect of his peers and to be seen as an equal to them but due to the influence of the pony of shadows he retaliated with viloence in an attempt to usurp them Tempast shadow was heartbroken that her broken horn caused others to feer her and felt like an outcast,that ponies didint care about her and saught the storm kings help in having something that was unfairly stripped of her to be returned. but Cozy glow?..."friendship is power..ME WANT" i mean,not that there arent poeple like that but still you think hasbro would delve deeper than that...unless thier point was that she was just a self entitled brat,which kind of makes her fate worse if im to be honest while her first form of imprisonment was understood,being a master manipulator it was likely the best course of action.. tartarus,despite sharing the name with the greek underworld is more akin to a max security prison than any kind of depiction of hell. and Cozy was,incredibly dangerous despite not having any actual powers aside from the ability to fly. think of it like the child serial killers that have been imprisoned long term (which do exist despite how rare they were). that being said,the only reason she even broke out was cause discord freed her along with Tirek...she wasnt particularly dangerous without outside help,she could have been returned to tartarus without reason of further fear and kept there for a non-permenent span of time. but turning her to stone was needlessly cruel especially when you factor in how petrification works in mlp...as discord explained in "keep calm and flutter on" that petrification does not take away awareness. " Being turned to stone doesn't keep me from hearing every word Celestia says. Although I admit it makes rolling my eyes a challenge." ~discord this would imply those turned to stone can hear,see and perhaps even feel everything that goes on around them and watch the world go by and the slow passage of time...imagine an eternity of being frozen in place like that but still being aware? i honestly think thats too cruel for an adult let alone a child.
I really do hate talking about this because some people think cozy defenders think that she doesn’t deserve anything and that she did no wrong. They didn’t even properly ask her to reform. I do think it’s nice to get everyone’s perspective tho it’s interesting seeing how others view this discussion
Villains' redemptions always were learning about friendship. If the literal School of Friendship did not work for Cozy Glow, how could they redeem her? Twilight tried to get through her when asking her reasons, but Cozy chose to fly away to try her plan again.
@@TwyCrowMaskerThe same happened to Starlight when twlight tried talking to her, Cozy Glow saw friendship far differently than others something twlight should have told her about. Yet she says "Yes cozy glow friendship is powerful"
The only way any of what they did makes sense is if imprisoning her is the only way to stop her. If your choice is between getting rid of all magic and imprisoning her, sure, but there are a million better options and they didn’t even *try* those.
I always thought she was like 5-6 but after looking it up she’s 12…. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME OK!? But I agree. I wish there was an alternate universe where Cozy Glow got her chance instead of Starlight. No offense to Starlight fans.
I think manipulation tendency is a big factor as someone in this comment section said; it is hard to determine whether a manipulative person is truly reformed.
She almost distroid magic on a magic sosiety. She may be Abel to be reformd but Equestria may want to be surtent that she cant do that a second time. Edit. Sorry for gramatical erors I am hispanic.
Corrections *destroyed *society *able *reformed *certain Everything else sounds pretty good english is a very nonsensical language spelling wise, the word exercise is my worst enemy 😂
Cozy Glow may have misunderstood friendship, but she attended the school by her own volition before knowing what a ‘powerful tool’ friendship could be. Not to mention her being sent to prison with ANCIENT EVILS who had MULTIPLE offenses, who were probably a GREAT influence for her. She just felt like an attention-seeker, sucking up for validation, and literally concocting a plan to essentially become a princess. That’s just a child’s fantasy, a bit of an evil child, but still a child. I genuinely thought it would be revealed that she wasn’t a kid because it felt like such a strange choice. LIKE, SOMEONE CALL HER (possibly dead) PARENTS!
AKA Diamond Tiara. I saw a theory that Diamond Tiara could be the key to reforming Cozy, and not only do I think that's a great idea, but it gives Diamond Tiara something to do after she vanishes from the show after her redemption in Season 5
There are four ways that the stone imprisonment could go. 1. The villains unaware of everything happening/unconscious and the punishment never ending. That basically means that they are DEAD. They killed a child. 2. The villains aware of everything happening/conscious but the punishment never ends. Meaning that they would probably go insane. 3. The villains aware of everything happening/conscious yet the punishment does end. They would come out even angrier than before. 4. The villains aren’t aware of everything happening/unconscious and the punishment ends. Their anger might fade or it doesn’t, but their thrust into a totally new time without any idea how the world has changed and probably they are viewed as villains and evil. The point is, all of these possibilities are terrible. For every single one of the villains. 1 and 4 are the ones that are most merciful. Celestia, Luna and Discord just doomed a child, a queen that cares about her hive and a centaur who feeds off magic to one of these fates. And Twilight didn’t even do anything to reform them! This is just sad.
Literally! I never get why people go "oh they can free those three from stone later". It didn't make Discord stop being evil, being banished to the Moon left Luna to fester in resentment and jealousy for a thousand moons, if anything it'd make them worse.
I want to object... But I can't. Its true. 😔 It was a good idea to have characters that choose not to be redeemed, but it was _not_ a good idea to make one of those characters be a literal child... It could have worked if they made it so that Cozy Glow _wasn't_ actually a child, but was an adult who looked like one, pretending to be one. But they never explored Cozy Glow's character properly to justify her being irredeemable.
They have a psych ward at the Ponyville hospital why not send her there to get help if they can't help her, pony hell will just make whatever made her spiral like this even worse, which, I guess technically happens pretty quickly.
I finished rewatching my little pony a little while ago and ever since I finished I have been scouring every part of the internet to find someone who agrees that the villans being trapped in stone was the worst ending and ruined the whole point of the entire show and especially cozy glow, I feel so bad for that child. This video made me literally feel sooo much better because i felt so crazy that no one was talking about this
I forever was mad by what they did to her especially with what the literal lesson of the Season 7 finale was, like hello Starlight are you not gonna speak up...???
Something I was hoping you would address is that nobody tries to find Cozy's parents? Or any siblings, relatives, anything *Somepony* had to raise her, but no one even tries to find out where she came from Is there some parent or guardian out there mourning her? Or is there some awful pony out there who incorrectly raised a child to the point she tried to take over the world and facing no punishment for it?
well that's g4 in a nutshell picking the most dangerous villains like starlight and discord to forgive but cozy glow is too much for redemption and need a punishment I'm not saying that she deserves full forgiveness but what they turning her to stone was too much especially it discord s' fault she was free and not to mention using the bell to drain all the magic in equestria so i don't like how she got turned into stone while discord get no punishment for his actions in season 9 and yes I blame the writers for it . 😡
She could've like.. cleaned the school? Make a speech in front of the school? Like crap that a pre teen would freak out over it... Not hell?? And then become stone??? Discord could also hear things when he was in stone so he was conscious. SHES LIKE 10 😭😭
She is a child, let's put an end to comparing her and that fucking Baby Dhal to each other. She is largely responsible for the fact that some individuals deny the existence of kid villians. I'm also questioning your logic here. Shall Cozy's first plan succeed, then multiplex creatures requiring magic to exist would go extinct, crops wouldn't be able to grow now that pegasi cannot manipulate the weather, infightings galore, etc. And you would settle this with her cleaning the school? I concur that petrification wasn't an ideal punishment, however, Tartarus was optimal, if they tried to reform her in advance, only for it to turn out that she's irredeemable.
When i watched season 8 and 9 for the first time i loved the seasons but i always hated the tought of them basically killing a child bc stone inprisoning is the mlp version of death.
You wanna know the craziest part, if Cozy Glow was never locked in Tartarus along with TIREK, ALONG WITH THE VILLANS IN THERE, she wouldn't have been able to escape, why? SHE'S LITERALLY JUST A PEGASUS, hell if Luna and Celesta locked her up in what, maybe a prison in Caterlot, she would've be able to leave because SHE DOESNT HAVE MAGIC, ONLY FLYING. NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF THEY LOCKED HER UP NORMALLY, Tell me why the supposed Princesses didn't think of that, they know she's cunning, she's smart, she planned this all out, but you think to lock her up with the person who trained her. I think she deserved a punishment not being thrown in literal pony hell or turned to stone. Since were comparing crimes, lets see what cozy glow did BEFORE THE FINALE happened. Removed all magic from Equestria then sweet talked the mane 6 into going into Tartarus without magic , kidnapped starlight glimmer locking her up with magic relics and turned the school of friendship against everyone in attempts to take over the world. That's the gest of it, SO WHY IS HER'S WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSES? SERIOUSLY? Why is she deemed such a lost cause, of course a few seconds of speech wouldn't work on her! It didn't work on Chrysalis, nor Starlight the first time! It takes time right? It took time with discord, it took time with everyone else, COME ON?
I'd also like to add, WE AS THE VIEWER, AS THE PEOPLE WATCHING THE SHOW KNOW SHE IS CAPABLE OF BEING GOOD, S09E08 - Frenemies shows us she can understand the grasp of what friendship really is, she is capable, SO WHY ARE WE ACTING LIKE "Oh well we never know! She's so manipulative! The ponies could never know if she could become good again!" WE SEEN IT IN 4K!
A better way to end it would be for Cozy to become Starlight's student. Think about it. Celestia tutored Twilight. Twilight Tutored Starlight. It's only natural to continue that trend. Instead by locking her in tartarus with criminals and monsters, it escalated her evil to where they felt they had no choice but to statue her. Could have been avoided.
I agreed with the legion of doom video by MV and there was some crumbs about Cozy Glow and went now to watch this video instead, and the reformation what of theory of cozy glow. I love this video. She deserves the What If Reformation by Sawtooth Waves theory treatment with the CMC... Imma leave my plastic chair in this hill here, bye
They could have had the CMC you know PONIES HER AGE that KNOW ABOUT FRIENDSHIP try and explain friendship to her. Twilight is a grown pony, she uses grown up terms that a child may not properly understand sometimes. Applebloom? She can relate to not having friends, she was mocked most of her life for not having a cutie mark UNTIL she met her friends. I'm sure she and the CMC could have been a great influence on Cozy Glow, teaching her from the perspective of someone of her own age or at least a similar age. Maybe that way she could have understood, maby Starlight could have been her mentor/caretaker too "I used to be like you, you know? But then friendship changed me, for the better. You can be better too Cozy, just let us try to teach you what the magic of friendship really means."
I really think that considering starlight was able to be reformed despite having basically the same arc as cozy glow, there should have at least been a moment where she told them to pause the spell so she could talk to cozy glow about why she tried to destroy Equestria and went from there. If they decide to reform cozy glow, give her an actual reason for her being evil like maybe giving her parents who had the same goal so she believed that she had to continue that cycle or even just at the bare minimum give her some minor reason like "I was just insecure" even that would at least be a reason! Then when she gives the reason, have someone offer to reform her, undo the spell on her specifically, and boom she's reformed. Or if they still decide to lock her up, have the reason make sense like her showing she's an actual threat despite being a child or hell, pull an orphan and have her be an adult with a childlike body who decided to use it to her advantage to gain power more easily and she has no sympathy for what she did. Literally the whole statue thing could have been fixed if they chose one of these two options. [ Reposted because i kept getting stupid replies ]
I can't with how DISCORD can get away with betraying the ponies like 63738373838838282 times while A LITTLE FILLY is sent to hell the first time she does smt wrong, especially when it was his fault that Cozy and the others attacked Equestria in the first place????? And somehow he gets zero punishment
everything is justified by the fact that she was a girl, she almost killed Twillith when she attacked Carnterlot, it's okay because she was a girl, she almost indirectly caused the death of the young6 because she's a girl, she almost killed Starlith as a girl, she almost destroyed society in Equestria as a girl
While I absolutely agree with this video, I do still have an argument for cozy glow being locked up, although still not deserving it. I believe twilight had become a much bigger figure in equestria, so ponies expected more of her. What would everypony think if a ruler that lets someone who almost destroyed the entire country run free? They would probably start to think twilight doesn't care about bad guys, she only cares about saving equestria. I would assume the average pony would think it was a fair punishment, because they had to live through their entire home being destroyed. This is different from what happened with starlight, because nopony besides twilight and starlight actually knew about starlight destroying the entire world with different timelines, so twilight can get away with letting starlight go without much of a punishment. In the case of cozy glow, everypony went through their power being drained without warning, which they remembered after they defeated cozy glow. I would also assume most ponies would find out who did it, and I would assume a lot of ponies would think "our princess let the pony who almost destroyed our entire lives run around free, maybe our ruler doesn't actually care about the safety of it's citizens", and then proceed to hating on twilight. My argument here is, twilight locked away cozy glow to protect her image as a trusted ruler of equestria, not because cozy glow deserved the fate (because she absolutely did not). Of course I also just made this all up on the spot, so there's probably more I'm forgetting.
The difference between Starlight and Cozy Glow is that Starlight's initial problem was only condensed in a small town, Cozy Glow's stunt would've affected all of Equestria. Yes, so would've Starlight's if she got the spell off, but at least she didn't do 7 counts of attempted murder. However, I do see that if Starlight got locked in stone too, I think it would've been perfectly fair given the severity of the crime. I think Tirek was a bad influence on her, but she did ask the question herself. Either way, I see both sides of the argument as valid.
What i love about MLP:FIM is that its lessons and morals are connecting with people no matter their age. For example the lesson that children are annoying and require harsh punishments for their misconduct.
Let’s not forget that Cozy Glow almost removed all Magic from Equestria. That is a threat to national security of the highest degree, and she showed no regret. Her age was irrelevant. There are unforgivable crimes.
Exactly! Everyone is defending her sayings she didn’t deserve her fate and while I agree to some degree, she should have been punished differently but not let off the hook. What she did was huge! And while comparable to starlight, at least starlight didn’t try to remove all magic. That in my eyes is a big difference.
What about Discord he did crimes comparable to a war criminal like when he helped tirek steal all the magic from ponies on the planet which is basically the same thing cozy glow did he also brought King sombra back to life just to give the Mane Six a boost in confidence or when he released three of the most genocidal villains to give them enough power to attack all of Equestria again why does he do this? oh yeah right to give the main 6 a boost in confidence like that's a good enough reason to start World War 3 all of these actions Discord did could have left in the death of thousands if not Millions of ponies dying and what do they do? Oh yeah of course they brush it off and forgive him so we should forgive Discord who is a grown man who was fully aware of what he was doing and what could have happened on a global scale vs a child who wanted nothing but Power on a global scale don't get me wrong cozy girl is evil and Discord had good intentions but I feel like if we should give Discord who knows how many chances at this point and give cozy glow only one chance do you think this logic makes sense?
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc good point but discord he feels remorse after he did all that he went and told them and he was remorseful think about this discord brought back the BIGGEST VILLAINS that included cozy at some twilight and the others had to realize that if they gave the three of them a second chance they might actually kill them if a LITERAL CHILD can almost end the world that’s scary think of what else she could do if she had been given a second chance like there are real children who have been given life sentences that is basically what cozy got but a little more extreme cozy and the others would have never learned
I like to imagine that Sunset Shimmer adopted (or at least mentored) Cozy Glow so Cozy could learn about forgiveness and redemption. The show writers knew exactly how to write a reformed character because Sunset Shimmer hands down had the best redemption arc in the entire series. So there is no excuse for what they did to Cozy Glow’s fate. This also made Twilight’s character greatly despised by the fandom which is a great shame because the OG Twilight would have done SO much better. A true Princess of friendship would teach and forgive her subjects, especially a child/filly/minor who was ORPHANED.
Villains' redemptions were always learning about friendship. Cozy was the assistant of the headmare of the School of Friendship. If all her time in the school could not prevent her from manipulating and trying to get all the power to herself, what could Twilight do that would actually work? Twilight tried to talk to Cozy straight after coming back from Tartarus, and Cozy tried to fly away. The lack of backstory for Cozy also points that the only reason for all that she did was megalomania. There are bad people in the world who will not change because being evil is who they are. Even if they are a child.
I've been saying this for years. They had to go and end the show with stoning a kid who wasn't even given the proper chance at redemption and people are just okay with it. That ending has always left a bitter taste in my mouth.
1). She only looks like a child and actually never acted like one, also her knowledge surpasses many adults. 2) She knowingly tried to murder multiple people (even if you don't count population of Cloudsdale and her classmates visiting it at the time), pretending to be their friends. 3) She's obvious dangerous psychopath without any wish to stop and live normal life. How can you redeem such person?
@@Hariester Concured, however, don't associate age with knowledge. She is, in fact, an intelligent child. Also, she did act childish throughout the show, such as in Frenemies, while drawing playfully.
Cozy doesn't really have a reason to target equestria in the first place. LIke she wants power, okay but why? All the other villains (except the storm king) had some reason whether canonically explained, in the comics, or just a general that makes sense Luna: Jealousy and the shadow thingy Discord: Well...he's just discord he's literal chaos Chrysalis: She needs to feed her hive and thinks that taking love was the only way. But when met with a new solution she refused because stubborn and power ig Sombra: I forget the whole story but corruption magic Tirek: Daddy issues Starlight: BFF issues Tempest: Ableism (lost her horn and no one liked her-) Stigian: No recognition and a misunderstanding But cozy...what happened to her? Why does she feel the need to take over equestria? Did everyone reject her as a young foal? What was her early childhood like? Is she an orphan? Where the hell are her parents? Are they dead? Neglectful? And even so, the punishment I believe fits her is that she MUST take friendship school or juvenile reform school whatever.
She already hails from Equestria, which is also one of the most influential and expansive places. There is no requirement for her to travel who knows where to acquire power there. The answer is present in your question: she really and merely desires authority, and this is the ending. No tragic backstory, no "I am a grown woman in a child's body" Cozy is a psychopath (an adorable one 💜❤️) It is heavily implied that she is orphaned.
Good comparison with Starlight they forgave her in like 2 seconds not to mention they also forgave Discord in like 2 seconds and they forgave Discord multiple times for doing crimes that are comparable to a war criminal but for cozy glow nope your turn to stone for all eternity but to be fair just because a character is a child doesn't mean there redeemable just look at characters like evil Morty
Honestly buddy, I agree with you. Cozy Glow definitely deserves a chance to be reformed. Twilight should have tried harder to reform her. But I don’t think she’s an hypocrite, I know Twilight Sparkle and that’s not who she is. On that logic, who is to say she didn’t try to reform Cozy Glow? I have a theory that after she was made ruler of Equestria, she made it her mission to try and reform the villains Chrysalis, Tyrek and Cozy Glow, especially Cozy Glow. I have watched fan made videos of Cozy Glow being reformed, and the one I love the most is Diamond Tiara reforming her. Think about it those two have a lot in common. They are both bullies, they both try to assume a position of power and they both know the cutie mark crusaders. So here’s how it could work: Twilight releases her from stone, she sets her up with Diamond Tiara and they both hang out. As they hang out they exchange stories about how they both tried to assume a position of power and they both failed. Diamond Tiara then explains to her that while Cozy seek revenge, Diamond Tiara didn’t. She explains to her that no amount of power could ever fill the hole in her heart. She offers her friendship and while a bit hesitant at first, Cozy Glow agrees and she reforms. That’s the best way to reform Cozy. Finding some pony who understands her and helps her grow. Her future can still look bright. I rest my case.
I’ve seen some interesting arguments, and I just want to add another point to the video real quick-
Some people say Starlight isn’t an adequate comparison, even though she successfully destroyed Equestria a dozen times over again.
Alright, fine. Then what about Chrysalis? She was standing right next to Cozy, and had kidnapped the princesses multiple times. In the season 6 finale, even after getting about as far as Cozy did in the season 8 finale, Starlight at least TRIED to offer her redemption.
Also- I see people attacking writers- this is not the point of this video. The point of this video is to attack the characters as if they were real people. I’m calling Twilight a hypocrite, not the people who wrote Twilight.
Cozy's been at the Friendship School this whole time. Twilight HAS been teaching her friendship, and Cozy used it against her.
Why was she not offered a hoof in friendship? Because she was already given it, and used it for her own agenda.
They all knew Tirek and Chrysalis were evil before, but Cozy was unassuming and right under their noses.
She was a clear threat that knew exactly what she was doing.
And again, she came back for more. All the other villains outside her, Tirek and Chrysalis never did. She learned nothing from her punishment.
To make up for having Cozy Glow sent to Tartarus in Season 8, Celestia and Luna should have had her locked up in the same dungeon where they were locked up in during the Season 9 finale with frequent visits from a therapist since I don’t think Equestria has mental hospitals, it’s still a little dark but at least there’s a chance she’ll reform eventually.
@@DaveMan1K I doubt the school of friendship is specifically saying "friendship should not be used for evil! it's only for good!" and even with that, Cozy has an agenda + an already solidified misconception on what friendship is (a block used to get more power). If she was personally schooled on the matter, I believe she would've seen the error in her thought process.
Also I don't believe that trapping a child, especially a mischievous/sly child, in a (literal) cage is the way to punish them. For Cozy, with her anger and her sharp mind, she'd only want to think about getting out. Especially since she was only reassured that her hate for Twilight and being evil is a good thing all throughout her stay in Tartarus. She's a child. She's emotional and can easily be steered towards the wrong way.
Twilight knew she was going down the wrong path during their first confrontation and didn't think about helping her personally? Or offering her some sort of help?
She should be disciplined for her actions but simply locking her in a cage and expecting it to turn out well is terrible.
@@MythicalTissue
And seeing as locking her up didn't work, and she came back swinging harder, naturally they had to resort to something more permanent to keep her from harming others again.
Twilight and the others were far harsher to the CMC in Ponyville Confidential than they were to Cozy. THAT was a true act of hypocrisy and dodging responsibility.
@@DaveMan1K it's like what was mentioned in the video, you can't put a square block into the circle hole. She still has plenty of time to grow and reform (as she's what, 12 at MAX?) and become a better person. Can a child truly never be saved? Especially as young as she is? They can't immediately write her off as a lost cause when she's likely not even halfway to adulthood yet. They just need a different approach that's all. If she continues to prove to be untrustworthy once she reaches adulthood, then she should be sealed. Till then they should work with her and keep her under tight supervision.
tbh i wish she became the villain in g5 instead of opaline
Opaline
@@renamon5658 oh yeah
100%, she probably would have been better than opaline
But then the writers would have to divide her IQ by 7 so the G5 cast could have a chance against her.
@@yondaime500LMAOOO
For sure, she definitely deserved better.
I would even argue that Twilight DIDN'T try to reform her. That small talk wasn't her offering a second chance or explaining why she was wrong, just that she was wrong. With Starlight, she actually tried to help her change, and its not like that mare was any less stubborn. Heck, even after seeing the bad future, she still needed convincing.
And that's not even getting into Discord, who never did anything to earn a second chance, consistently betrayed the trust and was forgiven all the time. And even after everything he pulled in season 9, he not only got to get away with it, but also got to pick Cozy's punishment.
Honestly, even if she were an adult, I would still believe that Cozy deserved better. Her being a child just makes it even worse.
To me discord is the manifestation of a storytelling and him bringing the not redeemed villains the same place to work together was a way to deal with them once and for all.
@@bossbrozork3022 but then its bad storytelling.
The only reason why Discord was never turned back to stone was because of Fluttershy. Everyone knew that she was close to him, and if they inflicted a severe punishment on him, especially without her consent, she would be really upset.
Tbh, twi had a beef with starlight until she realized she cant beat starlight. Discord it was never twi choice to reform him, celestia wanted him to be reformed
Finally somebody that understand
Yes! Finally someone who actually likes season 8 & 9 like I do! And yeah, I completely agree with what you said. The only reason I think Cozy Glow wasn't reformed is because the writers didn't want to reform any villains in the final season and because Cozy Glow was introduced very late into the show she didn't have time to be reformed before the final season.
Which is a good choice since we need to have some villains remain bad in the show when it has it's final season. Jim Miller even stated that himself as I noticed. You may be uncertain but please understand what I'm saying all the same.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 Yeah, I totally agree that not every villain should've been redeemed. I just feel like Cozy Glow should've been.
@@Helloiamraymond exactly
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
I actually liked all seasons. Actually season one through season 9. They were not that bad. Season 89. did have a lot of more improvement, honestly,
In Twilight's defense when it comes to punishing Starlight she did make her her student which means homework and homework sucks ass /j
@@AlexanderLastname-mo1mo Twilight didn't want to forgive Starlight, she wanted to give her the worst punishment she could think of.
true i take the stone too
Twilight loves homework so for her it's giving her the best thing a mare can have.
Cozy Glow is perfect to be reformed, Imo. At a school of friendship, for teaching friendship to those who don't understand. That is literally Cozy Glow. I like Cozy Glow as a villain and all, but come onnn it's the perfect set-up. You mentioned her connections to Starlight? Why not have Starlight break through to her in the end. I mean, school counselor. Yknow, get her to stop trying to be evil for a few seconds so she can learn *friendship is not for power*
That's a good point 📝 I'm writing that down
@cenoura-4221 Either way, it would've been fun to see them try lol.
True, true true! What's the point of a school of friendship if you aren't going to use it to eventually redeem a villian? It really is the perfect setup. Makes the end result dissapointing even beyond the argument of whether or not Cozy deserved her fate. (My answer to that is no)
@cenoura-4221you mean like most of villains?
i mean i think its implied that she understood just fine in fact her understanding of relationships was part of what made her so dangerous at manipulating poeple she was able overthrow,undermine or userp poeple with nothing but words...it was a lack of actually caring that was the issue.
I think what distinguishes Starlight from Twilight is that Starlight in the season 5 finale basically didn’t realize how significant Twilgiht and her friends were, as in opposition Cozy Glow tried to over throw a government
Edit: I also think the tonal whiplash comes from the idea of Cozy Glow vs. the execution. Looking at her inspiration, it seems like they wanted her to be a grown mare in the body of a child, but never got the chance to elaborate on that.
Yeah, I figured the same thing; I can’t take the idea that Cozy actually is a child seriously. Based on the fact that we never see Cozy’s parents, the fact that she was able to concoct this whole long-running evil scheme, had these manipulation skills, and even her appearance giving some old-times vibes, I headcanoned that as you said, she really is an adult stuck in the body of a child (like Babydoll from Batman), and uses that to her advantage because it means people underestimate her and don’t perceive her as a threat. But, yeah, the show should’ve addressed that if it was the case, because it does kinda feel that at some point Twilight did become aware of it.
Edit: looks like someone else in the comments section said the same thing, including the Babydoll comparison.
@@Mathma7 This had always been my interpretation so it's super jarring to see people who didn't think of her this way. They are literally buying into her facade. Aside from her character design, we don't see anything that confirms she ISN'T an adult.
Yeah that's what I thought they were doing. Like the orphan.
If this is the way then her physical appearance is reminiscent of people who act this way (NiceGuys, Neckbeards, etc) because they have a very childish way of perceiving friendship.
> becomes princess of friendship
> Start a friendship school
> Send a child to hell and not even thinking of reforming or getting her help for what she's done
> Bruh
Why
I wish there was an alternate version of Season 9 where episode 8 was the start of a reformation for Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis (as in, they actually accept the burgeoning spark of friendship instead of rejecting it) and Grogar was actually Grogar who comes right on the cusp of defeating the heroes before Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis suddenly show up to save the day.
Speaking of, when Grogar was revealed to be Discord, I immediately started thinking that he might have been trying to engineer a spark of friendship in those three, to give them a chance at reformation like Fluttershy had given him. My disappointment was immeasurable when it was almost immediately after revealed that he was just trying to stage an 'epic battle' at Twilight's coronation.
Well he basically helped twilight by dealing with major obstacles before her becomes ruler of equestria and not having to deal with those obstacles again for atlest a thousand years.
Just a reminder as to why this even happened, according to Jim Miller when addressed about Season 8. I'm not saying it's a good reason, it's just the official reason.
Cozy was intended as a subversion of expectations, as you wouldn't expect the main antagonist of an MLP season to be not only a child, but also a character introduced in the middle of the season instead of at the beginning or end of it. And on top of that to hit that nail in the subversive coffin, she wasn't given that chance at redemption to reverse what we've come to expect from major pony villains like Sunset, Starlight and Stygian. It was all broken due to how it was handled, of course.
And when asked for more justification for this decision, other writers stated that she, A. has no canonical parents that be brought to the table for helping her, and B. she was actually an adult in a child's body, like Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series. One is an oversight when it came to writing a villain like this, as at least with other evil children in media that are along the lines of Cozy Glow (Draco Malfoy, Porky Minch, etc.) we get some exploration of their home life and how they grew into the vile people they became, regardless if there was any justification. Cozy didn't get any of that, so that second excuse was thrown in.
"she was actually an adult in a child's body" I... wha? that would've been explored/explained in the show if it was an excuse... I'm treating this excuse as non-canon, this is just BS
@@BuildingWolf100_WolfDab Exactly. It's a way of justifying locking her away, when people were disturbed by the fact that, well, a *child* was locked up in Tartarus. It's a way of saying, "There's nothing to get up in arms about, because she's not actually a child."
They wanna make up for redeeming Starlight so bad /j😂 but fr, why make a her a literal child if she was "not technically a child"? Give her a different base that look older if that's the case. That reasoning is so bs
@@helloitsphonie And why would they do that? An adult in a child's body with a talent for manipulation? Brilliant!
"She was actually an adult in a child's body" sounds like an excuse for people who make.... certain kinds of fanart
"They gave Cozy Glow chances!"
Nope, Twilight had one conversation with her post the reveal she was evil and that was it. They did not even attempt anything besides the Tartarus imprisonment beyond that.
"Cozy Glow could manipulate everypony and that would make it hard for them to tell if she was really reformed or not!"
Starlight Glimmer literally ran Our Town with an iron fist and attempted to brainwash the Mane Six on screen, and also brainwashed the ponies of Our Town. She was just as manipulative as Cozy Glow, and she still got a reformation arc.
"She almost tired to destroy Equestria-"
Starlight messed with the timeline and made multiple bad futures which for all we know, could still exist for the sake of revenge. Nightmare Moon took over and wanted to make the night last forever. Discord threw Equestria into chaos. Tempest Shadow was one of the Storm King's underlings. All were reformed.
Anyway if you're gonna say Cozy Glow deserves to be stone its only fair Discord is in the garden with her. Literally everything in Season 9 was his fault, and it's not magically better because he wanted to "help" Twilight
This comment made me realize that a LOT of the villians are manipulative. Discord is manipulative. Starlight is manipulative. Chrysalis is too, I mean, you kinda have to be when you're Queen Shapeshifter, and although she wasn't redeemed, Starlight still tried (not really, she tried as much as Twilight tried to redeem Cozy, but it was still a possibility in the moment.) Sunset Shimmer is manipulative. It's actually pretty interesting. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that so many of the villains are manipulative, it's repetitive, but not in a bad way. Just neat.
@@Icantchangemyhandlehelp k so there is a vid that sums up why cozy glow tereck and chrysalis y they should not be reformed ( CHANNEL NAME ) : MrVectorMV ( VIDEO NAME ) : The legion of doom do not deserve reformation) watch it cuz he explains why cozy shouldn’t be reformed
@@Icantchangemyhandlehelp The direct approach to everything would get old much faster. You cannot do as much with it.
To be fair starlight has an excuse of not being aware of the consequences of her actions. For all she knew, she was just messing with a single friend group, she had NO idea about how awful those futures were until the end
This. Why does Starlight get a second chance. Both her and Cozy Glow did the same terrible thing, so either none deserve a chance or both do.
Starlight: an adult that enslaves a whole village for however long, kidnaps Twilight and her friends and ruins timelines in personal revenge against Twilight. Consequences? Becomes best friends with the princess of friendship, casual friendship with her friends and other princesses as well.
Cozy: a child that misunderstands the purpose of friendship and tried to do whatever Tirek did. Consequences? Hell, and then turned into stone for maybe 1000 years.
Fair is fair and Starlight is not a canon Mary Sue 👍
Did you even watch mlp starlight to her was living a good life until this random stranger comes outta no where and mess her whole way of life up and ofc she wants revenge she did not know stopping rainbow dash would ruin timelines cuz she could not see them twilight literally had to show her that’s why when she saw what she did she felt terrible and wanted to change meanwhile cozy KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING THE whole time even said it herself she gonna send starlight away to get out of the way and she trapped the kids there to and that spell would banish them away and she was laughing twilight tried to tell her to change but she said no starlight did not know what she did but cozy did.
@@Antagonists_godso what? She’s a grown woman and she still started a cult. Her life wasn’t ruined when she lost sunburst it was sad sure. But she’s still bitter about that in her adult hood then she really needs to get it together and she doesn’t.
@@iamcat1797 ok so even tho cozy tried to banish starlight and the student 6 for getting in the way of her plan the 6 gives her a chance she ignores that and literally says friendship is power and then she constantly minpluting the kids at least starlight wanted to just get revenge at twilight and her friends she did not know she was destroying timelines twilight had to show her what she was doing meanwhile cozy gloe tried to get rid of all magic cuz triekk said so she had no revenge plot or anything that was pure evil at it finest people can’t except some people are born evil.
starlight is my fav character, but i agree cozy deserve second chance
@@x8x8x8x8x8x tell me have you seen the movie bright burn.
It’s funny when Tempist, the terrorist who did one good thing, was let go without any repercussions.
While the child who had most likely been manipulated by Tirek,was thrown into hell and then turned into a rock.
I get it, her actions where heinous, but she’s a child who doesn’t know better 😂
They litteraly put a child in prison and then changed her into a statue :') she's still young, she had a whole redemption path ahead tbh
EDIT : Calm down guys, we've all done horrible stuff for our own amusement or interest as kids and then realized it was wrong af, she was just on a whole other scale, but still, putting a child in litteral hell doesn't seem like the best solution to me
There's no way a freaking twelve year old was beyond redemption lol
I mean, i personally view her as being a psychopath, her cutiemark is literally about manipulation-
@@tikimillie How I see it her cutie mark is highligting the way she can lead a ''army'' by choosing where to put each person (chess piece) by looking at their advantages and defaults
I believe she could learns to use it for, by example, the army protecting princess Celestia. She could be very useful and bring a new view point to them
@@Honor_mp3 you have a point. She probably could've had a future in being captain of the royal guard or something
To be fair just because a villain is a child doesn't mean there redeemable just look at characters like evil morty from rick and morty or Azula from Avatar The Last Airbender.
Ok so I agree with everything here. What makes me mad is that almost every other villain was offered the chance. Chrysalis kidnapped Cadence and left her in a mine to die, literally attacked Twilight, almost took over Canterlot, and then kidnapped almost everyone in Equestria to take it over. And SHE was offered Redemption. I don't hate the writing of the later seasons, I'm definitely not the biggest fan of them by any means, but Cozy Glows writing needed to be worked on. She was only evil when the plot called for it, she's easily the villain with the most screen time (minus Flim and Flam probably) and yet we no next to nothing as to why she wanted to do what she did. Even the writers probably didn't know since when she's asked she just basically glosses over the question.
A friend of mine had a theory that with the School of Friendship there was going to be a spinoff series for the young 6 and Cozy was going to be the main villain for them but the show never got off the ground and that's why they just didn't seem to know what to do with her.
Cozy not only tried to do the same to all mane 6 (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. Chrysalis acted with much less lethal intent, caring for her hive. Cozy is a real dangerous psychopath and is the least of those three to be redeemed.
I actually just pretend that The Ending of the End didn't happen and instead the real Grogar returned. The heroes and villains teamed up to stop him, the villains learned the value of friendship and everyone lived happily ever after. You know... WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THE WRITERS HADN'T BEEN SO GUNG HO ON THAT STUPID GrOgAr wAs aCtUaLlY DiScOrD PlOt tWiSt!!!
I was really hoping that Discord's motivation was to try and reform them by getting them to work together, and showing them what can happen when you do so. Like, "You gave me a chance when no one else would. I thought I could do the same"
@vegetafan9922 That sounds like a super unrealistic ending but... you do you I guess.
@@ReyRey42315me when the magical horse show about the power of friendship is unrealistic
Just because it's a show for children/family doesn't mean it's supposed to be bad, it can be for kids and still be good
I hate it when people tried to argue that she WAS given a chance and she denied it- no, nopony actually even TRIED!! And you mentioned that Starlight did the same thing, and i somehow didnt even consider that! Yeah! Why is it any different for this grown mare than it is for this small child?
The thing was with starlight she did not know what she was doing twilight had to show her so she can change she did not know that twilight and her friend s was this important.
@@Antagonists_god Starlight DID know what she was doing. Only after seeing the possible future results of her actions, she realized that what she would gain from it was not worth it. That's why she decided to accept Twilight's offer to be her student.
@@08elgocho meanwhile cozy glow saw what she and laughed while doing it.
@@Antagonists_god You can't expect a child to think and act like an adult. Remember, Starlight IS A GROWN MARE, Cozy Glow is not.
Because twilight couldn’t actually “beat” starlight if u go back she literally had to make her surrender or she be stuck in a time loop.
While i still believe cozy glow should have been reformed instead of imprisoned, comparing her to starlight isn't fair because of motivation and knowledge
Starlight took revenge against cutie marks when making her village and then took revenge on twilight by making all these alternate timelines. the last of which she didn't know would end the world btw, she was genuinely surprised when twilight showed her how important her friendships were.
Cozy was intentionally malicious, trying to effectively take over the WORLD twice while knowing how disastrous both of those would be. Cozy lacks empathy and thats made clear in the show more than once while starlight doesn't.
The root for everything that cozy tried to do is simply that her view on friendship is HEAVILY misguided, which is why i believe they should have at least tried to reform her better than twilight did at the end of the season 8 finale. If she tried then and cozy still didn't accept though then ngl i can see putting her in stone then, shes too manipulative to be trusted 😹
Yeah I really wish the writers had made the characters try more to give Cozy Glow another chance. I only remember Twilight confronting Cozy after she was outed as being the villain and then they just decided to put her in Tartarus. 🫤
The season could’ve just been written better honestly.
PREACH 🙌
Problem is, unlike Chrysalis and Tirek, Cozy is a dangerous psychopath. How do you redeem psycho? She not only tried to starve all mane 6 (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, all while pretending to be their friend, then later teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. This is not case of view on friendship being misguided.
@@Hariester Yeah I keep leaning towards her not deserving redemption the more I think about it all deeply.
People keep saying she is a kid but this kid did all this? Without regrets? Knowing full well what she was doing? 🫠
My question is: How did Cozy get in contact with Tirek in the first place, and why did she feel the need to seek out evil powers at all? What does her cutiemark represent?? WHY Did she choose to be evil???
I agree she should have had an attempt for reformation, but I'm curious about what lies behind Cozyglow. Why did she want to do any of this in the first place? "Power is to make friends," but does Cozy want power, or friendship, and why go to such extremes to get it??
It could just be an odd choice from the writers but if there are missing pieces they'd be fun to chat about- If anyone has any theories please share because I genuinely wanna figure this out.
The writers just wanted to make a villain like the Babydoll from Batman, and Darladiple from Cats don't dance. That's stupid reason.
Starlight telling Twilight to be quiet is probably something we all wanted to do when she would start another friendship speech.
I feel like the writers got kinda sick of reforming villains over a half assed apology so took pleasure just having the heroes go no holds barred on them in the later points, maybe a bit TOO much.
Really I feel like the bigger catch is Discord got away scot free and even helped punished the three, despite enlisting and straight up bullying them into doing the scheme in the first place. This was ALWAYS his plan, just a bit more chaotic than he had originally hoped, to lead them into a fun little war against Twilight and then watch them get punished for laughs. It kinda read that Discord hadn't really learned much even by the end of the show, except to pick on dickheads who KINDA deserved it.
I’m still annoyed by Discord’s actions…like yeah he wanted to have Twilight think she was prepared to rule over Equestria and take on any problem…and she did do that in the end but…🤦🏾♀️ I…I would be really pissed at Discord afterwards that’s just me I’m sorry….maybe it has to do with him being the lord of chaos but still…his plan that he thought he could handle ended up backfiring and as a result Equestria was about to fall…
Like I guess he had good intentions in wanting to give Twilight confidence but that was really bad execution there are better ways to give friends confidence.
@@ShinoriDelfrim After so many cases of trolling Twilight with the excuse "Oh well I was TESTING you" with the obvious amount of smarminess that implied "Nah I was just enjoying myself", it was a bit hard to even buy that. It felt almost like he was playing his usual game, just he resorted to picking more directly on the villains while Twilight technically got a good deal out of it, thinking the heroes wouldn't yell at him if the prank technically wasn't picking on her this time and more assholes no would feel sorry for. He was still trying to loophole being a shithead.
Yeah, no. The "but she's a child!" argument does not apply when you make fully conscious, manipulative, and intentionally malicious decisions. Cozy knows what friendship is. There's no misunderstanding on that part, and she's shown great aptitude in manipulating ponies to become "friends." She wants power and knows that friendship is a way to get it. Nobody told her that gaining power by using other people is the goal; again, it's not a misunderstanding, it's having a goal and being shown the "tools" to use it. Her desire for control is not something that anyone could've fixed, because even while being taught all the right things, she was still evil. Tartarus is not "pony hell", it's jail under a different name. And yeah, that sucks, but after conspiring with a known tyrant to trap the Mane 6 (including an alicorn princess) and remove the magic from the land all while almost killing 6 other kids in the process? Yes, the punishment is 100% warranted. It's not unheard of for kids to go to adult prison over adult crimes. And she hasn't changed. She stuck to her guns and tried to escape. And the second she got out of prison she helped cause what's probably the greatest threat Equestria's had to deal with. Even if Cozy was redeemable in any way, not only was it too much of a risk, but I personally don't even think she'd deserve it. Yes I know that goes against the themes but you _cannot_ convince me that the terrorist deserves a second chance.
Also, the comparison to Starlight doesn't really work. For one, Twilight was hesitant about offering her friendship in the first place. She did it specifically because, as she and the Mane 6 agreed, Starlight was way too powerful to just... Leave alone. The best course of action was redemption because the risk of not doing so outweighed whatever actions she took. Along with that, Starlight didn't know about the importance of Twilight and her friends. In her eyes, this was just petty revenge where Twilight would end up a loner, not a drastic change that would ruin the entire nation. And, unlike Cozy Glow, Starlight doesn't have inherently evil motivations. She wants equality and friendship because she couldn't handle abandonment. Obviously doesn't excuse her actions, but you can empathize with it. But Cozy? Cozy is just a megalomaniac, plain and simple. One is a lot easier to fix.
Please stop babying Cozy. She's not a "real" child, she knew exactly what she was doing. That kind of pity from her childlike appearance/demeanor is exactly what she used to manipulate others.
Every single one of Cozy Glow's defenders treats her like she is brain-dead.
"Oh, she could not understand the consequences of what she was doing."
Living in a society whose basis is MAGIC ITSELF, how could she? Really? She knew exactly what the consequences were and counted on them to gain power.
Even if just a filly, she was capable of manipulating EVERYONE. Fellow kids and her teachers. If she is THAT capable, she has the capacity to understand what she was doing.
She laughed when singing that they would crush their enemies while they all screamed.
"She was just a child. There were worse villains who the Mane 6 guided through redemption."
And how did they? Teaching friendship. If the litteral SCHOOL OF FRIENDSHIP did not work on Cozy, then she obviously is a lost cause. People need to understand that we probably do not get a reason for her actions because they are simply based in megalomania and selfishness.
@TwyCrowMasker plus some people are just horrible and there's nothing you can really do about it, and there are plenty of evil children characters in media that do far worse than Cozy Glow yet I don't see anybody defending them, double standards
Chrysalis definitely deserved the statue punishment cause she was a lost cause and Tirek CAN be rendered useless without magic and jailed with higher security and no way of contact to the outside world (stone statue can still apply to him too), but Cozy wasn’t explored enough to warrant that fate. She was already in a bad state of mind by the time she was put in pony jail and Discord worsened that by letting her out and team up with Equestria’s dangerous villains in an act of “getting along and being friends”
Discord reformed cause he met the cruel reality of being friendless and lonely. His need to do the same to 4 already insane bad guys was already a bad idea and the fact he didn’t think it through is just a shit move cause he saw first hand that they WILL attack his friends which includes FLUTTERSHY of all characters, should’ve gave him an idea that getting involved wasn’t going to bring anything good to the table. It doesn’t help when he orchestrated that entire attack indirectly and then got to choose Cozy’s fate immediately after.
The only reason why Discord wasn't turned back to stone was either because his chaos needed to balance out the harmony in Equestria or because of Fluttershy. Everyone knows that she and him are super close, and if they turned him back to stone without her consent or otherwise, she would be extremely upset.
3:39 this comparison reminds me of how in Tangled the series Varian whos like 14 gets sent to jail for kidnapping the queen and whatever instead of like… therapy? but then Cassandra tries to destroy the entire kingdom and kill Repunzal multiple times and gets sent off without consequences
This is where Twilight loses to Koro-sensei. He took care of every single one of his students until his last breath, no matter what they did.
But to play devil's advocate, Cozy Glow was written as an adult posing as a kid, according to the show staff. That never made it to the show so it's not canon, but it's part of why they wrote her fate that way. The other part is that she's a traitor, who pretended to be with the good guys for a long time and then backstabbed them, so that feels worse than what the other villains did, and also how do you even try to redeem her? How do you know she's actually changed, and not just pretending again? Especially when she's smarter than everyone else? It's complicated, and you'd be betting everyone's lives on it. And the "funny" part is that this is a problem we will face in real life, once AI gets smart enough. Cozy Glow is basically the paperclip maximizer.
Cozy not only tried to starve all mane 6 to death (without magic being locked in the tartarus), she tried to kill Starlight (as sacrifice for ritual), knowingly disable magic of pegasi and her classmates while they were in the Cloudsdale, all while pretending to be their friend, then later teleported armored ponies not outside of castle, but right into the body of water. Chrysalis acted with much less lethal intent, caring for her hive. Cozy is a real dangerous psychopath (only her, Chrysalis and Tirek are not psychopaths) and is the least of those three to be redeemed.
Finally, someone who agrees that Cozy deserved better. She clearly didn’t understand friendship, but they didn’t even TRY to teach her! Like, I’m okay with not redeeming every SINGLE villain, but Cozy is one who I think SHOULD have a redemption arc.
I had the idea of Cozy glow being a villain in G5! the reunion of the pony crystals caused some chain reaction that freed her from stone. she's now a preteen with a darker patch on her forehead and her back hooves as a side effect of turning into an alicorn and then it being reversed.
Its sad to think how Cozy's parents if she even had any would've felt, not knowing what happened to their daughter must be heartbreaking until they found out what happened an become even more heartbroken.
Yeah if they showed up and saw what they did to her they would be angry.
There is also something to be said about the fact that Cozy was in direct correspondence with Tirek and spent her imprisonment trying to "befriend" him, and the show insists that he hardly influenced her.
He did influence her by sending her notes which I'm surprised they even allow people to send mail.
@@DromusTH When the Mane Six confront Tirek in Tartarus, he only claims to have answered Cozy's questions about how to drain the magic in Equestria, after she sought him out.
Yeah I pointed this out before that they didn't even try to understand or reform Cozy Glow! Her actions were misguided because she is a child and nopony bothered to find her parents or where she came from😎
Well, the ponies does know that not every villain wants to reform and that they have to defeat them in order to save Equestria and if the villains remains bad in the end and wants to, it's their choice which they have to accept.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967she’s like ten years old. You send a misbehaving child to juvie (which has its own huge hold of issues but still) and extensive therapy. You don’t send them to federal prison.
All of this issue can be resolved if they just, didn’t put her Tartarus and did make an effort to redeem her in some way. Starlight and Discord have done some equally messed up stuff, and yet are given a chance because they’re so powerful and thus can be “a helpful force”. Cozy is literally just a child who’s good at manipulating people. If everyone really is wise enough to her schemes, and actually talking and reasoning with her, and *using their brain*, she holds no power.
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
Twilight Sparkle, neither turned Cozy Glow to stone nor sent her to Tarturus (which is not hell); Celestia did that. Celestia, who even Twilight Sparkle was hesitant to reintroduce Sunset Shimmer to for fear of her wrath, Celestia who imprisoned her sister for 1000 years (or indefinitely depending on interpretation) for her attempted coupe.
Further Cozy Glows age isn't clearly established. I personally suspect that Cozy Glow looks young for her age and is in the 15 - 19 year range. But it makes a lot of sense that the School of Friendship would fit the 'Vocational Highschool" range of the US/Canda education, assuming that MLP is set in an era where highschool education is elective.
In the US justice system being a minor protects you for punishments for most crimes, but for particularly drastic crimes a minor may be stripped of this protection. The factors weighed, are the subjects age, the significance of their actions, and their understanding of them. Cozy Glow set into motion a complex plan to sieze power and devastate the nation by stripping it of its magical power. This complex scheming shows a clear understanding of her own actions and an adult punishment is warrented.
Lastly you and many others seem to misremember why Twilight Sparkle tried to redeem Starlight Glimmer. It wasn't anything like Twilight seeing the good within her and wanting her to change. She begged Starlight to give the world a second chance because Twilight was completely out of other options. After that is the complicated process of working out a fair punishment for someone who conditionally surrendered.
What about Discord they forgave him multiple times like when he betrayed everyone to help tirek who is basically the devil to take over all of Equestria so to do that he gave tirek all the magic from every single pony which is basically the exact same thing cozy glow did and when they defeat tirek they don't give Discord any sort of punishment or when he brought back King sombra who is also basically the devil and gave him enough power to enslave the Crystal Empire and Ponyville just to give the main sex a boost in confidence and he released three of the most genocidal villains to give them enough power to attack Twilight and her friends that might have possibly caused in thousands of deaths sure of course this explodes right back into discords face when they betray him but they still don't give him any kind of punishment don't you think that's kind of weird how they forgave Discord and gave him another chance but didn't give cozy glow another chance
@AngelloGomez-nh6cc Discord was imprisoned in stone for over 1000 years . . . He wasn't just forgiven.
Celestia *wanted* to use him as a force for good and sent him to be reformed (by magic if necessary?). We don't know why he was given his third chance, but it stands to reason his broad usefulness to crown is a part of it, as well as his remorse for his actions.
In season 9, he immediately put himself on the line to help Equestria as soon as the situation was out of control (Sombra was never really a threat, Discord could have stomped him if things went to far).
Cozy Glow only got turned to stone/imprisoned we don't know if these punishments include a time-frame and maybe Cozy Glow will get her second chance 1000+ years later.
no
COZY GLOW IS 12 AND TARTARUS IS HELL!!!!!!!!
btw you cant compare destroying shoes to destroying at least 25% of canterlot and ending equestria
edit: I meant to say that cozy is a lost cause after the ending of the end which was atleast partly caused by twilight fumbling her interaction and her treatment t
Yeah, I agree with the rest of his points but that wasn't a fair comparison lol
Yeah she almost destroyed magic. BUT DUDE STARLIGHT DOOMED THE ENTIRE WORLD. She messed with time, created multiple world ending timelines where who knows how many creatures died especially the last one where we got a canon fallout Equestria timeline and even threatened to destroy the spell so that the current timeline remains doomed and who knows what happens. I mean even if Magic got destroyed (probably resulting in how many deaths), in the end ponies can live without magic as said in G5 (Doesn't matter whether u consider it canon or not). Compare that to Starting the apocalypse multiple times, starting Brutal dictatorships (🌙 time line) , Mass oofing (tirek), Extinction of ponies (🪲 timeline) and last but not least fallout or total Extinction and destruction of the planet. Yeah starlight has a planet of blood on her compared to cozy who's after math wouldn't have been that bad. I mean not saying She didn't deserve punishment but bro if she ever breaks out she's gonna go Absolute Thanos.
Tbh people treat their shoes like it’s their whole world
I mean, literally everything she did in Season 9 is Discord's fault. Yeah, she's evil but she wasn't going to escape Tartarus without Discord freeing her (unless Cerberus left it's post like in It's About Time). Discord doesn't even get punished when the only reason the Elements of Harmony were destroyed was because of him because he freed Sombra, and how the denizens of the Crystal Empire were re-enslaved by Sombra AND he managed to enslave Cloudsdale, Ponyville and Canterlot's citizens too. Not to mention that Cozy attempting to destroy/take over Equestria s something MULTIPLE G4 villains attempted and still got redeemed for! Nightmare Moon tried to take over and go redeemed in the second episode of the show, Discord got reformed, Starlight Glimmer, every changeling except Chrysalis, Sunset Shimmer, Tempest Shadow, even characters exclusive to the comics. But back to my initial point, if what Cozy did is worthy of being stone forever Discord should be in the garden with her Tirek and Chrysalis.
@@agentace962 Discord is an adult but he is a spirit of chaos and disharmony,
Expecting him to think and act like a normal grown man and putting him to the same standards you would a normal adult doesn't make sense. While I can agree that twilight should have came to Tartarus and tried to help cozy glow even more while there
That Discord in his chaotic mind truly was trying to help the leader of the country be prepared to lead and saw himself as a safety net in case things went bad. In put himself in harms way to help make things right. Cozy glow should have gotten more help. But Discord in s9 isn't like chrysalis tirek or tirek
may have an explanation. ofc it doesnt excuse sending a child to hell but still. i think the difference is, and you can even hear it in what twilight says, is her "relationship" with starlight and cozy glow before the finales. i mean starlight was first introduced as stealing cutie marks, whereas cozy was introduced as a student at the school. ie starlight was already a villian when she met twilight but cozy seemed like a determined student. i think twilight saw starlight as someone who she could teach, whereas she saw cozy glow as someone she failed teaching. like i said, cozy does not deserve to be sent to hell and should definitely have a chance to reform, but i think for twilight, cozy glow being evil just stung more than starlight
There is a theory circulating about that she is Luster Dawn’s Mother but personally that’s just speculation.
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@@beanbagburritoLook Up (A Glowing Hug From A Glowing Mare)
Not to mention in season 3 discord confirms that he did in fact hear everything that happened while being locked in stone. That is equally as bad as being locked up
I agree with you, the punishments cozy got were wrong and deserved better. plus we don't know a thing about her. where did she come from, what were her true motives, what happened that made her that way, and most importantly, did she have any family?
I feel like they were kinda trapped by the fact they only had two more seasons, it wouldnt feel as satisfying to redeem her in a couple episodes or even a montage (i havent watched mlp in a while)
In my opinion Cozy Glow did deserve a punishment just not the punishment she got, i mean yeah she was a child but Equestria could've been a disaster if her plan actually was sucessful, still it was Twilight's fault cuz she said that she misunderstood what she said yet confirmed what Cozy Glow said. Do i think Cozy Glow could be reformed? Well i'm 50/50 cause she seemed like she knew what she was doing but like i said she is a child so i'm kind of torn with my opinion but i think she has the slight potential to get reformed but at the same time i'm not sure but i would've actually like to see that, i feel like she deserved a less harsh of a punishment but harsh enough that she would learn her lesson
Hard agree with all this
Correction: Cozy only looks like a child.
Didn't Twilight only try to reform Starlight because she knew she couldn't beat Starlight with her magic abilities alone since they were pretty much equals? Twilight already defeated Cozy Glow and had her surrounded, so when she did try to make an attempt at reforming her and Cozy Glow rejected it, they must have been like, "Well we already beat you and have you surrounded so we dont really have to try and reform you and we can just send you to tartarus and keep you there forever since you nearly stole all the magic from equestria."
Yup, if Twlight actually defeated Starlight Glimmer, she would be in Tartarus right now.
I always thought it was a but much, she's a fucking child who got a hold of the worst villain in all the series! I know it wasn't grooming since Tirek was just answering questions, and was probably more annoyed than happy, but it still seems off. Hell, we never see her parents or family. MLP is afraid to shy away from parental neglect, Scootaloo being a prime example. Is there not any pony juvie!? Therapy!? Hell, there is a reason so many people think Flurry Heart could have been the one to save her one day, and become real friends!
Cozy's cutie mark is seeing people as her pawns in her chess game and manipulating them, you can't really become friends with a person like that tbh
@hearmeout1767 Her cutie mark isn't the King on a Chess board or even a Queen. It's a rook. A piece that can see the full board and control entire files. A person who can see the full picture. While that can be looked at negatively, there's a few jobs and purposes that could use that skillset positively. Such as any sort of leader, a general, a regular chess player, a motivational speaker, a salespony..whatever. Cutie Marks don't make you evil, they just show your special gifts
@@hearmeout1767,bro =(
@@hearmeout1767 And what about diamond tiara? Her,s soesn't exactly spell leadership does it?
@@SniperGamingHD1 I love this take 👍
I will say this looking back at the seasons Cozy kidnappped a teacher, Plotted to trap a princess in Tartarus with the rest of those who she knew could stop her, Almost destroyed cloudsdale and caused everyone to lose magic. That was all in her introduction what the child did was Treason and assuming based on what ponies do for a cutiemark showing up she would be around 15 as a cutesenara is based on a quincenera for a 15th birthday. It was never confirmed how old she was but still she was aware she was doing it to gain power. Not to mention she was penpals with Tirek who likely warped her way of thinking if her cutiemark is to say anything she is a manipulator and a stratagist. Those kinds of people can not always be reasoned with. I can see why she would be sent to Tartarus for this and this is before discord broke her out of Tartarus. While what starlight did was brainwash a town to give up their cutiemarks and caused a time spell nothing she did was irreversible unlike what Cozie was doing. Even if she was turned to stone say she was taken out of stone when Twilight sealed magic away in the unity crystals. This would lead to why the ponies in that gen were given false information on eachother and seperated as much as they were. Though that is theoretical in and of itself.
Finally, someone who understands this !!
She was fully aware of what she was doing and completely dwarves to be punished for it. Some people are just born to be like that and CAN'T be fixed. The fact that they showed that in mlp makes me love the show all the more. Rather than having every villain redeemed in the end, they showed that some villains CAN'T change and deserve basically eternal punishment, which almost adds a sense of realism to the show. Not everyone can be changed and some people will always be downright evil, regardless of how you treat them.
@@17snowflakesNo one is born evil. If you believe this, you are supporting the “US vs THEM” mentality which can be used to subjugate entire communities. See, every human rights violation ever.
If you think that an actual child is deserving of eternal torment when her crime are ON PAR with villains who get redeemed, I think you missed the point of My Little Pony (when it was still good).
@@17snowflakesI wanted the Main 6 Princesses and Discord to be turned into stone, I would be happy
0:02 nah
Imagine the child planned on putting everyone in the world in prison to work for her. Or taking over by force as a dictator. And almost succeeded.
THEN what would you do. NOT give her jail time?
Note that this child is at least 13 but definitely older (edit: at least as old as) the CMCs who had been growing for years from Season 1 to Season 8/9. I'd estimate they were between 10-12 when Season 1 started but certainly at least 13 when getting their marks.
Yeah the statue is kinda crazy but the jail time is warranted imo
You have a point there
That’s not a jail that’s hell 💀
Cozy glow and the CMC are the same age
Twilight might actually have done the same to starlight if she was able to defeat starlight. twilight sparkle wasn't able to stop her from changing the timeline without offering friendship, she tried everything else but when all failed she said "if you can't beat em, join em". cozy glow is different because twilight was able to beat her and didn't have to offer her friendship
Exactly!
I'll tell you why, the writers got hate because they started reforming everybody (starlight, changelings, discord) so they didn't reform these 3..... and it still got hate 🤷♀
At this point, They shouldn't even listen to some bronies. They don't want reformed villains? Who cares the target audience won't mind and the other half of the adult audience sure as heck won't.
I mean it is friendship is magic. Reformation is like basically in the title
because the writing sucked
I think this failure of friendship is the seed that eventually led to the collapse of twilight's kingdom and the events of g5
I personally think it would have been so SO much better if Starlight and Cozy switched roles. Cozy, a child, misunderstood friendship, so she becomes Twilight’s student and tries to improve. Meanwhile, Starlight, a literal cult leader who fucked with time itself gets locked away, then teams up with Chrysalis and Tirek for revenge.
I just cannot believe every single character, even the ones who were brainwashed, were so quick to forgive Starlight, who took their lives for god knows how long, but Cozy instantly gets sent to Hell for confusing friendship with power. It’s just awful.
Yeah, this has always bothered me as well. It makes my heart sink every time I think that that's how they ended the show and the only hint we got of them returning was at the end of the "Season 10" comic which will probably be rendered non-canon at this rate.
It's not just Twilight who looked bad in all this, but Celestia, Luna and Discord. Discord was the one who suggested they turn them to stone which does nothing for his character development since he knows how it feels to be given a second chance (and a third and fourth one too if you think about it). Luna would also know a thing or two about that, and Celestia, who had the idea of reforming Discord to begin with shouldn't have let this happen. This is why I just say that Discord was whispering something else to Celestia and Luna and suggested they keep them in stone for a while and then release them later to be put through a reforming class. This is what I did with my fanfiction series to make Discord and the princesses look like less of hypocrites and I gave Cozy an emotional reform arch that helps tell why she is the way she is. It would have been way better for them to actually take Cozy in that direction, but by the time we had 9 seasons, I think Hasbro just wanted it to be all over with and didn't care if those three got their redemption arcs or not.
look, you weren't the first to make a fanfic of this story of cozy glow being reformed since someone who speaks Spanish made a fanfic about this that was in 2020, although if they don't put the ideas you mention with celestia, luna and discord and the whisper thing, but I understand well that something that was at the end of the series is that by staying in stones it leaves a lot to talk about since they should be aware that they would be released by the weakening of magic or that the ties are broken or diminished because discord was released once, and the fanfic that I tell you about does not cover those things or what you mention but the ideas sound similar to the ideas that the G5 has as a twilight I don't feel like such a good ruler and that at least it is less incompetent than what they show in the g5 and the issue of the separation between ponies that instead of being from equestria it is actually the conflict between equestria and the crystal empire.
The fanfic is called "Impera" and is on Fanfiction Net, it is in Spanish which you won't understand unless you use a translator.
My thought was that Cozy Glow *was* an adult, but a dwarf. She remained the size of a filly, despite being full grown. I think I was just waiting for the reveal of that. Now I'm making a headcanon where this was the case, and she wanted power, so ponies stopped looking down at her. Figuratively as a tyrant, and literally as a pseudo-alicorn.
Twilight:*forgive and offer friendship to a grown adult who wants to take over the world*
Also Twilight:*locks up or helps turn into a minor who did the same thing.*
about cozy. Discord was sealed in stone. If they were gonna do more seasons, I feel like they probably would of unsealed cozy specifically and left sombra and Chris to their fates for a good hundred years
I still to this day wish they would have given us some backstory on Cozy Glow and give an explanation as to WHAT her reason were that drove her to become evil and want to try and take over Equestria. I really wish they would have reformed the little filly, definitely unfair of her to get turned into stone. I understand Chrysalis and Tirek since they showed no interest in being reformed or bettering themselves but Cozy was a child who COULD have been reformed if given the chance. I feel bad for Cozy despite the things she did, especially when the writers of MLP gave us no backstory for her. Who knows what could have drove her into doing the things she did.
Starlight literally couldn't be locked up at all because she's too powerful. The only way to stop her was to get her to realize the error of her ways. She obviously isn't evil either, just has strong ideals. What was Twilight supposed to do, stop her from tearing up the scroll with the promise that things can be better for her, and then as soon as they got back, pull a gotcha? How would she have done that? She can't beat Starlight in a fight. Starlight can stop Discord too. If she didnt play that moment exactly how she did, Starlight wouldve ripped up the scroll and everything wouldve been fucked. Twilight isn't stupid. And Twilight probably realized, like Celestia did with discord, that someone this powerful is probably pretty useful to have on the good side. Starlight didn't crave power, or control. Starlight didn't work with a PURELY evil being such a Tirek on her own volition. Starlight did what she did to hurt Twilight and nothing else, and wasn't intentionally or even knowingly "destroying" Equestria. Intentions do matter in the context of this series. And she saved the fucking world. So like I said, Twilight had the wisdom and foresight that she could be beneficial on the good side and it paid off...
Cozy Glow perfectly masterminded a very scary plan, almost intentionally KILLED the student 6 in the process, outsmarting everyone at almost every step of the way. She got closer to achieving her goals than almost any other villain. Young murderers get locked up in real life for killing one person or a couple, sometimes for half their life or more. There also isn't any indication that she was going to Tartarus "forever" when she's initially locked up- with that severe of a crime, do you not think she deserved to be in the same place as Tirek who she worked with and did a similar crime? After getting busted out and doing even worse actions against the world, at that point, hell yea get in that fucking stone.
Cozy is an evil character, and incredibly intelligent. I do not believe the "she's a child" argument extends on forever like people seem to think. I think Twilight correctly identifies her as unreformable, a creature of pure evil, and not a potential asset to the wellbeing of Equestria like Starlight. Whether or not that's the "right" choice doesn't matter; it doesn't have to be. We've seen Twilight go against her pure ideals of friendship being the answer for everything in the MLP movie, when preserving Equestria(HER JOB), takes priority over it in her eyes. The whole thing was very scary, Cozy Glow almost erased magic FOREVER, and if Twilight saw only darkness within Cozy Glow, I don't think her judgement is something that's not understandable.
You could go even further if you want and say, we don't even know if she is a child! Cozy Glow was intentionally designed as a character who is mysterious. She straight up has a skull in one episode beforehand. She could just look like a child for all we know. This is even a Big JIm approved potential headcanon- the post-series EQD interview with him is a great watch. You could say this is an excuse for "lazy writing" but part of the reason MLP is so popular in the first place is because headcanoning is so doable and popular. Saying Cozy Glow is a child over and over again and leaving it at that just removes a lot of nuance of the series and trust in Twilight's judgement we have no reason not to have at this point, when you could have fun with other possibilities.
Enjoyed the video, S8 and 9 are great I will agree. Just wanted to share my take as I enjoy the discussion ^_^
Every character is only as strong as the writing allows them to be. Meaning that Starlight definitely could have been defeated and locked away if the writing had taken that direction. No character is "too powerful". Chrysalis, who nearly lost to a wooden copy of Twilight, beat Starlight relatively easily. Cozy Glow imprisoned Starlight. There are no consistent power levels in mlp.
@@Darostelijaawhat are you on about? Chrysalis "easily" beat starlight when she was supercharged from the bell...
Of course these characters aren't real and power levels are based on writing. Starlight was intentionally written that way. When youre talking about the context, nuance, and implications of Cozy Glow seasons later, you can only base it off the existing material ... "yea but they could've written it differently if they wanted" is a non statement because they didnt
Not only did the lock a filly in Pony Hell, they locked her like 5 feet away from the person who told her how to steal all magic, how in any universe would that possibly turn out good?
intro kinda caught me off guard there lol
any time twilight is introduced to a new trolly problem you know its going to be bad
Fun Fact: Tartarus is actually the version of Hell in Greek Mythology
But it's not literally hell. You have to die to go to either Heaven or Hell.
0:10 big difference between dropping printer ink and litterally trying to take over the world,not once but twice.
that being said i agree that cozy glow was handled poorly,litterally every villian in mlp was givin motive and a backstory to explain how and why they became the way they are,litterally everyone except cozy glow.
despite her status as a re accuring villian we know absolutely nothing about her.
Luna wanted to bring eternal night because she felt her role was unapreciated
Discord being an embodiment of chaos,his existence actually depends on his bizaar behavior and couldnt particularly help his inborn nature.
King sombra,from what i understand was similiarly ill fated as a villian as he was born as an Umbra with some kind of curse that predestined him to steal the crystal heart...in fact just being around the heart actually hurt him even as a child.
Crysalis was a product of a species born to feed off of love,and as thier ruler assumed the the only way to get it was to steal it and was simply set in her ways....then afterwords she was driven by revenge for being usurped
tirek wanted magical power to compinsate for his insecurities towards his father,something he likely feels very strong about seeing as discord really pushed his buttons just by mentioning it
Starlight was left behind and had clear abandonment issues,she saw magic,talents and seperation as something that only led to friendships being torn apart and thought eliminating those things would keep poeple togather
Styigian wanted the respect of his peers and to be seen as an equal to them but due to the influence of the pony of shadows he retaliated with viloence in an attempt to usurp them
Tempast shadow was heartbroken that her broken horn caused others to feer her and felt like an outcast,that ponies didint care about her and saught the storm kings help in having something that was unfairly stripped of her to be returned.
but Cozy glow?..."friendship is power..ME WANT" i mean,not that there arent poeple like that but still you think hasbro would delve deeper than that...unless thier point was that she was just a self entitled brat,which kind of makes her fate worse if im to be honest
while her first form of imprisonment was understood,being a master manipulator it was likely the best course of action..
tartarus,despite sharing the name with the greek underworld is more akin to a max security prison than any kind of depiction of hell.
and Cozy was,incredibly dangerous despite not having any actual powers aside from the ability to fly.
think of it like the child serial killers that have been imprisoned long term (which do exist despite how rare they were).
that being said,the only reason she even broke out was cause discord freed her along with Tirek...she wasnt particularly dangerous without outside help,she could have been returned to tartarus without reason of further fear and kept there for a non-permenent span of time.
but turning her to stone was needlessly cruel especially when you factor in how petrification works in mlp...as discord explained in "keep calm and flutter on" that petrification does not take away awareness.
" Being turned to stone doesn't keep me from hearing every word Celestia says. Although I admit it makes rolling my eyes a challenge." ~discord
this would imply those turned to stone can hear,see and perhaps even feel everything that goes on around them and watch the world go by and the slow passage of time...imagine an eternity of being frozen in place like that but still being aware?
i honestly think thats too cruel for an adult let alone a child.
I really do hate talking about this because some people think cozy defenders think that she doesn’t deserve anything and that she did no wrong. They didn’t even properly ask her to reform. I do think it’s nice to get everyone’s perspective tho it’s interesting seeing how others view this discussion
Villains' redemptions always were learning about friendship.
If the literal School of Friendship did not work for Cozy Glow, how could they redeem her? Twilight tried to get through her when asking her reasons, but Cozy chose to fly away to try her plan again.
@@TwyCrowMaskerThe same happened to Starlight when twlight tried talking to her, Cozy Glow saw friendship far differently than others something twlight should have told her about. Yet she says "Yes cozy glow friendship is powerful"
The only way any of what they did makes sense is if imprisoning her is the only way to stop her. If your choice is between getting rid of all magic and imprisoning her, sure, but there are a million better options and they didn’t even *try* those.
I always thought she was like 5-6 but after looking it up she’s 12…. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME OK!? But I agree. I wish there was an alternate universe where Cozy Glow got her chance instead of Starlight. No offense to Starlight fans.
I think manipulation tendency is a big factor as someone in this comment section said; it is hard to determine whether a manipulative person is truly reformed.
Every single one of the villains were manipulator even Starlight
you either die a G1 or live long enough to become a G4
Cozy could have been the perfect example of how the School of Friendship can teach even villains the power of Friendship
She almost distroid magic on a magic sosiety. She may be Abel to be reformd but Equestria may want to be surtent that she cant do that a second time.
Edit. Sorry for gramatical erors I am hispanic.
Indeed
Corrections *destroyed *society *able *reformed *certain
Everything else sounds pretty good
english is a very nonsensical language spelling wise, the word exercise is my worst enemy 😂
Cozy Glow may have misunderstood friendship, but she attended the school by her own volition before knowing what a ‘powerful tool’ friendship could be. Not to mention her being sent to prison with ANCIENT EVILS who had MULTIPLE offenses, who were probably a GREAT influence for her. She just felt like an attention-seeker, sucking up for validation, and literally concocting a plan to essentially become a princess. That’s just a child’s fantasy, a bit of an evil child, but still a child. I genuinely thought it would be revealed that she wasn’t a kid because it felt like such a strange choice. LIKE, SOMEONE CALL HER (possibly dead) PARENTS!
Much like Discord needing Fluttershy as a Friend Cozy needs someone or somepony to guide her and Shutdown any B.S. she tries 😎
AKA Diamond Tiara. I saw a theory that Diamond Tiara could be the key to reforming Cozy, and not only do I think that's a great idea, but it gives Diamond Tiara something to do after she vanishes from the show after her redemption in Season 5
@CCG15thelocalpieceofpaper15 I think rarity would have fit better
There are four ways that the stone imprisonment could go.
1. The villains unaware of everything happening/unconscious and the punishment never ending. That basically means that they are DEAD. They killed a child.
2. The villains aware of everything happening/conscious but the punishment never ends. Meaning that they would probably go insane.
3. The villains aware of everything happening/conscious yet the punishment does end. They would come out even angrier than before.
4. The villains aren’t aware of everything happening/unconscious and the punishment ends. Their anger might fade or it doesn’t, but their thrust into a totally new time without any idea how the world has changed and probably they are viewed as villains and evil.
The point is, all of these possibilities are terrible. For every single one of the villains. 1 and 4 are the ones that are most merciful. Celestia, Luna and Discord just doomed a child, a queen that cares about her hive and a centaur who feeds off magic to one of these fates. And Twilight didn’t even do anything to reform them! This is just sad.
Literally! I never get why people go "oh they can free those three from stone later". It didn't make Discord stop being evil, being banished to the Moon left Luna to fester in resentment and jealousy for a thousand moons, if anything it'd make them worse.
The problem with MLP is that it doesn't seem to have a middle ground between forgiveness and a life sentence. Where are the correction homes?
I want to object... But I can't. Its true. 😔
It was a good idea to have characters that choose not to be redeemed, but it was _not_ a good idea to make one of those characters be a literal child... It could have worked if they made it so that Cozy Glow _wasn't_ actually a child, but was an adult who looked like one, pretending to be one. But they never explored Cozy Glow's character properly to justify her being irredeemable.
Guys if you ever want to be a villain be one in MLP cause if your plan fails just make a sob story and you'll end up as twilights number 2.
Twilight deserves to go into court
They have a psych ward at the Ponyville hospital why not send her there to get help if they can't help her, pony hell will just make whatever made her spiral like this even worse, which, I guess technically happens pretty quickly.
I finished rewatching my little pony a little while ago and ever since I finished I have been scouring every part of the internet to find someone who agrees that the villans being trapped in stone was the worst ending and ruined the whole point of the entire show and especially cozy glow, I feel so bad for that child. This video made me literally feel sooo much better because i felt so crazy that no one was talking about this
I forever was mad by what they did to her especially with what the literal lesson of the Season 7 finale was, like hello Starlight are you not gonna speak up...???
I just shudder to think of Cozy Glow’s parents witnessing their child fall so far 😢
Something I was hoping you would address is that nobody tries to find Cozy's parents? Or any siblings, relatives, anything
*Somepony* had to raise her, but no one even tries to find out where she came from
Is there some parent or guardian out there mourning her? Or is there some awful pony out there who incorrectly raised a child to the point she tried to take over the world and facing no punishment for it?
well that's g4 in a nutshell picking the most dangerous villains like starlight and discord to forgive but cozy glow is too much for redemption and need a punishment I'm not saying that she deserves full forgiveness but what they turning her to stone was too much especially it discord s' fault she was free and not to mention using the bell to drain all the magic in equestria so i don't like how she got turned into stone while discord get no punishment for his actions in season 9 and yes I blame the writers for it . 😡
She could've like.. cleaned the school? Make a speech in front of the school? Like crap that a pre teen would freak out over it... Not hell?? And then become stone??? Discord could also hear things when he was in stone so he was conscious. SHES LIKE 10 😭😭
Correction: she (only) LOOKS like 10.
She is a child, let's put an end to comparing her and that fucking Baby Dhal to each other. She is largely responsible for the fact that some individuals deny the existence of kid villians.
I'm also questioning your logic here. Shall Cozy's first plan succeed, then multiplex creatures requiring magic to exist would go extinct, crops wouldn't be able to grow now that pegasi cannot manipulate the weather, infightings galore, etc. And you would settle this with her cleaning the school? I concur that petrification wasn't an ideal punishment, however, Tartarus was optimal, if they tried to reform her in advance, only for it to turn out that she's irredeemable.
@@Hariester That theory is stupid don't bring it up
@@CozyGlow625 And what about starlight and discord what happened if their plans succeeded?
@@DromusTH Same thing as what I wrote. Merely, Starlight was somehow not punished.
I need to specify I haven't watched the video yet, but I saw the title, clicked, and immediately gave it a standing ovation. Here's a like as well!
The biggest problem is that they allowed tirek to dm a minor /J
When i watched season 8 and 9 for the first time i loved the seasons but i always hated the tought of them basically killing a child bc stone inprisoning is the mlp version of death.
I say it's because it's meant to show the audience that there's just some people you can't reach. Cozy and Chrysalis being two of them
You wanna know the craziest part, if Cozy Glow was never locked in Tartarus along with TIREK, ALONG WITH THE VILLANS IN THERE, she wouldn't have been able to escape, why? SHE'S LITERALLY JUST A PEGASUS, hell if Luna and Celesta locked her up in what, maybe a prison in Caterlot, she would've be able to leave because SHE DOESNT HAVE MAGIC, ONLY FLYING.
NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF THEY LOCKED HER UP NORMALLY, Tell me why the supposed Princesses didn't think of that, they know she's cunning, she's smart, she planned this all out, but you think to lock her up with the person who trained her. I think she deserved a punishment not being thrown in literal pony hell or turned to stone.
Since were comparing crimes, lets see what cozy glow did BEFORE THE FINALE happened.
Removed all magic from Equestria then sweet talked the mane 6 into going into Tartarus without magic , kidnapped starlight glimmer locking her up with magic relics and turned the school of friendship against everyone in attempts to take over the world.
That's the gest of it, SO WHY IS HER'S WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSES? SERIOUSLY? Why is she deemed such a lost cause, of course a few seconds of speech wouldn't work on her! It didn't work on Chrysalis, nor Starlight the first time! It takes time right? It took time with discord, it took time with everyone else, COME ON?
I'd also like to add, WE AS THE VIEWER, AS THE PEOPLE WATCHING THE SHOW KNOW SHE IS CAPABLE OF BEING GOOD, S09E08 - Frenemies shows us she can understand the grasp of what friendship really is, she is capable, SO WHY ARE WE ACTING LIKE "Oh well we never know! She's so manipulative! The ponies could never know if she could become good again!" WE SEEN IT IN 4K!
???
Exactly what made them think a single speech would automatically work and for some reason her sentence is far worse than everybody else's like what?
A better way to end it would be for Cozy to become Starlight's student. Think about it. Celestia tutored Twilight. Twilight Tutored Starlight. It's only natural to continue that trend. Instead by locking her in tartarus with criminals and monsters, it escalated her evil to where they felt they had no choice but to statue her. Could have been avoided.
I agreed with the legion of doom video by MV and there was some crumbs about Cozy Glow and went now to watch this video instead, and the reformation what of theory of cozy glow.
I love this video. She deserves the What If Reformation by Sawtooth Waves theory treatment with the CMC...
Imma leave my plastic chair in this hill here, bye
They could have had the CMC you know PONIES HER AGE that KNOW ABOUT FRIENDSHIP try and explain friendship to her. Twilight is a grown pony, she uses grown up terms that a child may not properly understand sometimes. Applebloom? She can relate to not having friends, she was mocked most of her life for not having a cutie mark UNTIL she met her friends. I'm sure she and the CMC could have been a great influence on Cozy Glow, teaching her from the perspective of someone of her own age or at least a similar age. Maybe that way she could have understood, maby Starlight could have been her mentor/caretaker too "I used to be like you, you know? But then friendship changed me, for the better. You can be better too Cozy, just let us try to teach you what the magic of friendship really means."
THIS IS WHAT I"VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT COZY GLOW FOR SO FREAKING LONGGGGGG
According to what Discord said she is still literally conscious while being stuck in place
Discord is Discord.
He obviously is an exception to the rule.
The spell is literally called Stone SLEEP.
I really think that considering starlight was able to be reformed despite having basically the same arc as cozy glow, there should have at least been a moment where she told them to pause the spell so she could talk to cozy glow about why she tried to destroy Equestria and went from there.
If they decide to reform cozy glow, give her an actual reason for her being evil like maybe giving her parents who had the same goal so she believed that she had to continue that cycle or even just at the bare minimum give her some minor reason like "I was just insecure" even that would at least be a reason! Then when she gives the reason, have someone offer to reform her, undo the spell on her specifically, and boom she's reformed.
Or if they still decide to lock her up, have the reason make sense like her showing she's an actual threat despite being a child or hell, pull an orphan and have her be an adult with a childlike body who decided to use it to her advantage to gain power more easily and she has no sympathy for what she did. Literally the whole statue thing could have been fixed if they chose one of these two options.
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I can't with how DISCORD can get away with betraying the ponies like 63738373838838282 times while A LITTLE FILLY is sent to hell the first time she does smt wrong, especially when it was his fault that Cozy and the others attacked Equestria in the first place????? And somehow he gets zero punishment
everything is justified by the fact that she was a girl, she almost killed Twillith when she attacked Carnterlot, it's okay because she was a girl, she almost indirectly caused the death of the young6 because she's a girl, she almost killed Starlith as a girl, she almost destroyed society in Equestria as a girl
@candymanproductions8227 bro WHAT tf are u talking abt lmaoooo 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@candymanproductions8227What are you talking about??
Exactly and Starlight literally messed with multiple timelines destroying pony's lives.
While I absolutely agree with this video, I do still have an argument for cozy glow being locked up, although still not deserving it.
I believe twilight had become a much bigger figure in equestria, so ponies expected more of her. What would everypony think if a ruler that lets someone who almost destroyed the entire country run free? They would probably start to think twilight doesn't care about bad guys, she only cares about saving equestria. I would assume the average pony would think it was a fair punishment, because they had to live through their entire home being destroyed. This is different from what happened with starlight, because nopony besides twilight and starlight actually knew about starlight destroying the entire world with different timelines, so twilight can get away with letting starlight go without much of a punishment. In the case of cozy glow, everypony went through their power being drained without warning, which they remembered after they defeated cozy glow. I would also assume most ponies would find out who did it, and I would assume a lot of ponies would think "our princess let the pony who almost destroyed our entire lives run around free, maybe our ruler doesn't actually care about the safety of it's citizens", and then proceed to hating on twilight.
My argument here is, twilight locked away cozy glow to protect her image as a trusted ruler of equestria, not because cozy glow deserved the fate (because she absolutely did not).
Of course I also just made this all up on the spot, so there's probably more I'm forgetting.
The difference between Starlight and Cozy Glow is that Starlight's initial problem was only condensed in a small town, Cozy Glow's stunt would've affected all of Equestria. Yes, so would've Starlight's if she got the spell off, but at least she didn't do 7 counts of attempted murder. However, I do see that if Starlight got locked in stone too, I think it would've been perfectly fair given the severity of the crime. I think Tirek was a bad influence on her, but she did ask the question herself. Either way, I see both sides of the argument as valid.
What i love about MLP:FIM is that its lessons and morals are connecting with people no matter their age. For example the lesson that children are annoying and require harsh punishments for their misconduct.
Let’s not forget that Cozy Glow almost removed all Magic from Equestria. That is a threat to national security of the highest degree, and she showed no regret. Her age was irrelevant. There are unforgivable crimes.
Exactly! Everyone is defending her sayings she didn’t deserve her fate and while I agree to some degree, she should have been punished differently but not let off the hook. What she did was huge! And while comparable to starlight, at least starlight didn’t try to remove all magic. That in my eyes is a big difference.
What about Discord he did crimes comparable to a war criminal like when he helped tirek steal all the magic from ponies on the planet which is basically the same thing cozy glow did he also brought King sombra back to life just to give the Mane Six a boost in confidence or when he released three of the most genocidal villains to give them enough power to attack all of Equestria again why does he do this? oh yeah right to give the main 6 a boost in confidence like that's a good enough reason to start World War 3 all of these actions Discord did could have left in the death of thousands if not Millions of ponies dying and what do they do? Oh yeah of course they brush it off and forgive him so we should forgive Discord who is a grown man who was fully aware of what he was doing and what could have happened on a global scale vs a child who wanted nothing but Power on a global scale don't get me wrong cozy girl is evil and Discord had good intentions but I feel like if we should give Discord who knows how many chances at this point and give cozy glow only one chance do you think this logic makes sense?
@@AngelloGomez-nh6ccnow you have a good point
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc good point but discord he feels remorse after he did all that he went and told them and he was remorseful think about this discord brought back the BIGGEST VILLAINS that included cozy at some twilight and the others had to realize that if they gave the three of them a second chance they might actually kill them if a LITERAL CHILD can almost end the world that’s scary think of what else she could do if she had been given a second chance like there are real children who have been given life sentences that is basically what cozy got but a little more extreme cozy and the others would have never learned
@@AngelloGomez-nh6ccDiscord shouldn't have gotten a chance either.
I like to imagine that Sunset Shimmer adopted (or at least mentored) Cozy Glow so Cozy could learn about forgiveness and redemption. The show writers knew exactly how to write a reformed character because Sunset Shimmer hands down had the best redemption arc in the entire series. So there is no excuse for what they did to Cozy Glow’s fate. This also made Twilight’s character greatly despised by the fandom which is a great shame because the OG Twilight would have done SO much better. A true Princess of friendship would teach and forgive her subjects, especially a child/filly/minor who was ORPHANED.
Villains' redemptions were always learning about friendship. Cozy was the assistant of the headmare of the School of Friendship. If all her time in the school could not prevent her from manipulating and trying to get all the power to herself, what could Twilight do that would actually work? Twilight tried to talk to Cozy straight after coming back from Tartarus, and Cozy tried to fly away. The lack of backstory for Cozy also points that the only reason for all that she did was megalomania.
There are bad people in the world who will not change because being evil is who they are. Even if they are a child.
I've been saying this for years. They had to go and end the show with stoning a kid who wasn't even given the proper chance at redemption and people are just okay with it. That ending has always left a bitter taste in my mouth.
1). She only looks like a child and actually never acted like one, also her knowledge surpasses many adults. 2) She knowingly tried to murder multiple people (even if you don't count population of Cloudsdale and her classmates visiting it at the time), pretending to be their friends. 3) She's obvious dangerous psychopath without any wish to stop and live normal life. How can you redeem such person?
@@Hariester Concured, however, don't associate age with knowledge. She is, in fact, an intelligent child. Also, she did act childish throughout the show, such as in Frenemies, while drawing playfully.
Cozy doesn't really have a reason to target equestria in the first place. LIke she wants power, okay but why? All the other villains (except the storm king) had some reason whether canonically explained, in the comics, or just a general that makes sense
Luna: Jealousy and the shadow thingy
Discord: Well...he's just discord he's literal chaos
Chrysalis: She needs to feed her hive and thinks that taking love was the only way. But when met with a new solution she refused because stubborn and power ig
Sombra: I forget the whole story but corruption magic
Tirek: Daddy issues
Starlight: BFF issues
Tempest: Ableism (lost her horn and no one liked her-)
Stigian: No recognition and a misunderstanding
But cozy...what happened to her? Why does she feel the need to take over equestria? Did everyone reject her as a young foal? What was her early childhood like? Is she an orphan? Where the hell are her parents? Are they dead? Neglectful? And even so, the punishment I believe fits her is that she MUST take friendship school or juvenile reform school whatever.
She already hails from Equestria, which is also one of the most influential and expansive places. There is no requirement for her to travel who knows where to acquire power there.
The answer is present in your question: she really and merely desires authority, and this is the ending. No tragic backstory, no "I am a grown woman in a child's body" Cozy is a psychopath (an adorable one 💜❤️)
It is heavily implied that she is orphaned.
Good comparison with Starlight they forgave her in like 2 seconds not to mention they also forgave Discord in like 2 seconds and they forgave Discord multiple times for doing crimes that are comparable to a war criminal but for cozy glow nope your turn to stone for all eternity but to be fair just because a character is a child doesn't mean there redeemable just look at characters like evil Morty
Honestly buddy, I agree with you. Cozy Glow definitely deserves a chance to be reformed. Twilight should have tried harder to reform her. But I don’t think she’s an hypocrite, I know Twilight Sparkle and that’s not who she is. On that logic, who is to say she didn’t try to reform Cozy Glow? I have a theory that after she was made ruler of Equestria, she made it her mission to try and reform the villains Chrysalis, Tyrek and Cozy Glow, especially Cozy Glow. I have watched fan made videos of Cozy Glow being reformed, and the one I love the most is Diamond Tiara reforming her. Think about it those two have a lot in common. They are both bullies, they both try to assume a position of power and they both know the cutie mark crusaders. So here’s how it could work: Twilight releases her from stone, she sets her up with Diamond Tiara and they both hang out. As they hang out they exchange stories about how they both tried to assume a position of power and they both failed. Diamond Tiara then explains to her that while Cozy seek revenge, Diamond Tiara didn’t. She explains to her that no amount of power could ever fill the hole in her heart. She offers her friendship and while a bit hesitant at first, Cozy Glow agrees and she reforms. That’s the best way to reform Cozy. Finding some pony who understands her and helps her grow. Her future can still look bright. I rest my case.