So refreshing to listen to someone who presents content professionally and thoroughly. Most car magazines & channels make a mess of explaining issues with charging, & their reporters just gloss over stuff they don't seem to understand or care for much . Thanks for the most solid content 🎉
More destination chargers are needed also. Every state and national parked should have level 2 charging stations. Cruise ship terminals and Extended parking at airports can have level 1 charging stations since the car will be parked there for multiple days.
Great point, just imagining on departure the driver could leave the car plugged in the cruise ship lot 'please charge for arrival' block. Chargers in a whole row could be turned on nearing arrival. Easier on Tesla to check on stats max charge etc from app but would work on a Leaf as well.
Another advantage of NACS over CCS is that the locking latch is on the car instead of the handle. The car side latch is more reliable because people tend to break the latch on he CCS handles, making the charger inoperable until repaired.
Just saw Rivian is going to Tesla NACS. They said: "Current Rivian vehicles will get a NACS adapter. Future Rivian vehicles, including current R1T and R1S models, will ship with the NACS charge port as standard equipment."
For users of electric vehicles, charging is an important issue, but convenience facilities are also a very important aspect. For example, establishing more electric vehicle charging stations in cities, or providing electric vehicle users with charging cards to facilitate their search for charging station locations and usage information. In addition, electric vehicle dedicated parking spaces can be considered in public parking lots, or electric vehicle charging piles can be set up in public places such as shopping malls, schools, and hospitals to meet users' charging needs. At the same time, it is also necessary to improve the quality and ensure the safety and stability of charging facilities.
Always make me smile to see that you've posted another video, Lorraine. You've covered the details of this upcoming transition to NACS with a clear, systematic explanation. I agree that the NACS connectors are the best option, and there's no question that the Supercharger network is the most widespread, fast, and reliable. Funny thing, however: beyond this charging advantage, I'm not as keen on Tesla as I used to be. With this month's updates, EAP and FSD are now worse than ever. I'd much prefer BlueCruise or HDA 2. I just hope Hyundai will now get on board. It's true that, as you point out, the short cable on v.3 Superchargers is a real problem. They need to either lengthen them, provide some kind of extension, or ramp up the rollout of v.4 stations immediately. And… start cranking out NACS-to-CCS1 adapters as soon as possible!
You have to wonder why so many charging stations have issues. Is it on purpose, to make the infrastructure appear terrible for consumers? Because Tesla doesn't have these kind of issues.
@@davidbeppler3032 I don't think that's completely it. Electrify America came into existence because VW was forced to make them because of their emissions lie. They don't want EV's to succeed and have to retool everything to a market that they will most likely not make it in. Greed fuels everything.
Nicely done video! One thing that may help non Tesla chargers would be if they had personalised accounts . If the charger had an idea which car you had and if it knew it's software and state of charge it would be more reliable..
What a great put together and well thought out video. I saw looked at some of your other videos. I have no idea how you don't have way more views and subscrubers! On the topic of NACS, I am super excited. evstation has a "Tesla NACS Charger Adoption Tracker" and its showing 27 companies on board now. I think just about all the charger manufacturers are on board. No idea where Rivian is though, they need to announce NACS adoption ASAP or they are finished.
Lol my poor leaf won’t have an infrastructure. But honestly with 15 kWh left on the battery I am happy charging it on the wall. It’s just an around town car anyways. Thanks for the explanations. Excited to see what is next.
Truthfully speaking the correct way to improve seems to be to be online and up. The EV go and Electrify America model when compared to the TESLA Supercharger Network is not so good. The down time for those other networks seem to be lacking to say the least. I think more data should show as to why the TESLA Network is up and online more than those that are not, don't you think?
I saw your video on the Tesla toys...err scale models. Now with this NACS video, I think it would be super cute to build a model railroad like small town with Tesla vehicles and Superchargers.
I am an early adopter; my first EV was a 2012 Nissan LEAF, which I traded for a 2022 LEAF. Both cars have performed wonderfully. The times I have used Chademo, it has worked well. Right at the time it looks like the industry may standardize on NACS, Nissan has decided to embrace CCS with its new EV. I suspect Nissan will leave us LEAF owners, who otherwise are satisfied with our vehicles, high and dry with Chademo. Maybe if Nissan does not pick up the ball, some 3rd party will either make an adapter or modify the LEAF with a NACS port. Standardizing on the physical NACS connector is just the first step. The second step is the payment system. Up to this point, I've had a card wallet in my glove box with the various RFID cards for the different brands, but they are starting to accept credit cards at some chargers. I use a credit card at EA, for instance. Universal plug-and-charge seems a ways off. And then there's the J1772 issue, because cars with NACS won't have a J1772 port. So if NACS really does become a standard, it should ultimately kill off J1772. There's a LOT of J1772 infrastructure to change out to NACS "destination charging".
My car can only charge with a J1772 and it is annoying when I go to a mall or shopping plaza and find that the charging stations don't include even one J1772. So an opportunity to charge while I shop, eat and/or catch a movie if there is a theater in walking distance has been missed. :-( Sure, it may not be rapid charging and only provides several miles on electrons but every little bit helps.
Hey Paul, if you're finding that there are a bunch of Tesla level 2 chargers out there, there's a company called Tesla Tap that makes a adapter you can use to charge your J1772 car off of them!
@@CallasEV I think you are talking about the Destination Direct chargers. One of those is relatively nearby but every time I have gone by that location, all the connections were already in use. So others learned that trick well before I heard about it. ;-)
Ti-Lane Precision Electronics company offers CCS1, J1772, CCS2, and Type2 charging connectors. Furthermore, we are actively developing products that comply with the NACS standard. We have plans to complete the NACS Tesla Level 2 AC fast charging connector and Level 3 EV DC supercharging connector by the end of August 2023.
As someone who has barely even driven in the last 11 years, lack of EV experience just being the latest facet, I find it fascinating to watch this charging train wreck play out. I hope to get back into driving and car ownership one day. By then, maybe all this charging mess will be sorted out. Then again, there could be another train wreck unfolding at that time. La vida es asi.
Supercharger Arbitrage! I highly doubt I’m the first person to come up with this idea, but here it is, nonetheless. Perhaps the single best, or at least most powerful way to motivate humans to do something is to pay them for their actions. “Economic Incentivization” is a powerful tool! One of the issues around EV charging currently, and for the foreseeable future is charging speed at DC fast charger stations. There are multiple problems and multiple potential solutions surrounding this issue, but here’s a partial solution that may work out very well, if it can be technically implemented. Scenario: It’s late 2025, and I own an EV with a large (let’s say 150 kWh+) battery. My vehicle is connected to a NACS DC fast charger, and is charging at close to the maximum 350kW that the charger can provide, over an 800V connection. I am having dinner at a nearby restaurant, and my state of charge (SOC) has reached 53%, with a target of 80% for ending the charge, since I have no need to fully charge my battery in this session, and my pack uses NMC cells, which prefer to not be fully charged unless the extra range is needed. Another EV pulls in next to mine, and connects to a paired charger that is on a shared feed with mine, so the charge rate I was at immediately halves, so that the 350kW maximum feed power that the two chargers share is not exceeded. All well and good, in many cases, if both EV owners are patient. But what if the owner of this second EV is in a hurry, or is simply willing to pay extra to charge faster? “Simply” making every charger at every station capable of supplying 350kW or more at any time, day or night, fed directly from the grid is not yet a practical possibility, so what to do? Arbitrage is the answer! It just so happens that I’m not in any sort of hurry, so as I sit enjoying my meal, my phone makes a “ka-ching!” sound, reminiscent of an antique cash register. I glance at the notification, and see that my pre-programmed arbitrage settings are allowing the second EV owner to charge at 800kW. He’ll be at 80% SOC in just over 8 minutes! How is this possible, you might ask? It is simply because I’ve given default permission for my EV to not only stop charging, but feed some of its battery charge to the other EV, over the 800V direct DC connection to the charger. The other EV is not only now drawing the full 350kW that the charger pair can provide, it’s also drawing 450kW from my EV’s battery. It happens that I’m satisfied to let my pre-programmed defaults run in this session, so I’m content to let my battery deplete down to only a 20% SOC, since I’m close to my destination, where I know I can charge overnight from an EVSE in my friend’s garage, and at a VERY low cost, due to their participation in their electric utility’s time of use rate plan. For my willingness to allow this to happen, I am rewarded handsomely in future fast charge credit, paid for by the other EV owner’s willingness to pony up some $$ to cover the faster charge rate, so he can get to his hot date on time. I could have opted for other scenarios by simply tapping an option or two on my phone, such as insisting on the 350kW charger being shared equally between the two EVs, or my EV charging at a reduced rate, giving him more power, or my charging stopping entirely until he is charged, then resuming, without ever depleting my battery, etc. But my willingness to “sacrifice” some of my battery’s energy, at least temporarily, worked out well for both parties. No doubt there are many additional scenarios that can be imagined where some variations on this them can prove to be mutually advantageous… Let’s make this happen!
Lot of good info. I do think though that towards the end with the other charging networks expanding that it’s more likely going to follow the path of the Google search engine. The other chargers will end up fading away as Teslas expansion pace and reliability dominates. That’s a win for all EV owners. Pricing of energy is regulated so competitive prices won’t really be a thing.
It's only a plug, the problem is what is on the other end of that plug ie the quality of the charger itself. Here in the UK, Tesla's have CCS sockets, also the Tesla Chargers have CCS plugs and they work well
@@davidbeppler3032 NACS may be smaller an lighter but it's just a plug. It all depends on the quality of the charger connected to it and in the UK they are connected to Tesla chargers so they are superb, where they are connected to non Tesla chargers there are issues but never with the plug but with the charger.
I don't know if anyone being in the picture would even be necessary in these videos, but now it has to be there; going backward just would not work. I don't know what could be better, other than maybe turning cartwheels.
Position of charging port is such a snag. I don't know if there is a neat solution, other than to have the cable come down from a movable, overhead box that holds most of the equipment. Longer cables just seem so undesirable overall.
Big problem I’ve seen with EVGO is the unit can be non functional & you can’t tell. There can be a lot of credit card waving & other steps before you realize the charger isn’t going to work.
Tesla vehicles are No.1 issue with these 3rd party charging stations go offline since they have higher inlet currents which often breaks the charging machines.
Hello! NACS doesn't support 3 phase charging. None of the north American charging standards support it as it's very uncommon to have 3 phase residential power here.
There is, it is called NACS. It is better and came before the CCS. Big Oil and Legacy Auto supported the CCS to hurt EV adoption. Not because it was good.
Well... there are a few things left out of this video. 90% of all ev charging events are not at public chargers. Most evs sold globally are not Tesla, and even the Teslas sold in the UK have CCS fitted. CCS has 3 phase, NACS doesnt For most owners, this makes no difference. There are plenty of evs on the road that have never been to a public charger.
Hi Nordic, one quick correction on your comment. The AC Type2 portion of CCS2 is capable of 3 phase charging in Europe. In the US none of our connectors support 3 phase since it's very uncommon to be delivered as residential power. Hope that helps!
It's a model 3 that doesn't have the CCS retrofit. I'll be getting it installed on my car so I can charge up at 3rd party stations, including ones with NACS connectors.
@@CallasEV Thanks for the reply! Not being a Tesla owner (I drive a Bolt), I thought that all Teslas could charge at CCS stations via a CCS-to-Tesla-connector adaptor. Interesting to know that you have to get it retrofitted to do so. Also, I landed on this video today because I was looking for a video to share with people about the transition from CCS to NACS. After watching half a dozen or so, including some from channels I really like, I decided yours was the best. Good work! 👍🏼
The biggest barrier to new cars is the cost. Has nothing to do with EVs. A Tesla Model 3 is less expensive than a FREE NEW Honda Accord over the life of the vehicle.
The troubles CCS cars currently have at Magic Dock superchargers show implementing CCS protocols is not easy nor always successful. Who is going to pay for replacing CCS1 charging station connectors?
The TESLA charging port is ALWAYS on Left Rear it has NOTHING to do with driver's side. The port is in the same place on all TESLAs in Right Hand Drive countries too.
Wonder why Tesla connector is only 50 kW at EVgo? That's because it's using a Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter behind the scenes. This means that hack won't work with others like GM or Ford unless they adopt CHAdeMO protocol too. Technically, EVgo don't have NACS. They have Tesla via CHAdeMO, only. To be NACS, they would need to have their charger manufacturer go back and actually build Tesla connector stations using CCS which exists nowhere in the world and certainly is not a North American standard. This move by Ford and GM was a coup and favors only Tesla. It makes the US charging infrastructure much less able to have more than one player, Tesla, and makes it more likely that we could see the others fail creating the monopoly scenario you hinted at in the video. To do this right, there should have been industry and government meetings with transparency and input by consumers to switch from the standard most manufacturers had agreed to support in the USA to a connector merged with the CCS protocol which Tesla stations don't currently support now anyway. There has been far too much hype from the EV journalism/review space for NACS with almost no sober investigation into what this would do to the industry. Those charging companies folded to commit to transitioning to NACS quickly because their shareholders were tanking their stocks. No one had the time to assess the costs. Even Tesla pretending that ripping out half or all of their current stations to upgrade to V4 is ridiculous. These so-called business mavens will trash billions of dollars of existing infrastructure to land NEVI grant money to rebuild old stations to make a semi-walled garden, which so far, Tesla is now only opening to companies who sign a deal with them. Why all the celebtation? It was a coup to half abandon an existing standard. And all we got was a t-shirt.
To be clear Karlin CCS is trash. It was created by Big Oil and Legacy Auto to slow adoption of EVs. AFTER the NACS was introduced by Tesla. When 90% of EVs in America were Tesla, the CCS was made the "standard". Creating a walled garden keeping Tesla out. I notice you either did not know this, or just ignore it. Our Gov failed to Screw us and you got a T-shirt.
“All chargers should have screens and payment options.” And yet: “issues with non-Tesla networks include not working screens and payment options.” Uh… hello!
Tesla needs to stop making such large supercharger sites with too many dispensers. More locations spread out will be better. Have more destination chargers in densely populated urban areas.
Given the work associated with permitting and approvals to install a new site, I can understand why Tesla is opting to expand existing sites in heavily used locations. Although I too would like to see more widely distributed charging, new capacity anywhere is welcome.
In 3 years time, virtually every charging site currently online will be considered smaller than needed. That said, tons of new sites are in the works. We're going to need a lot more sites AND a lot bigger sites.
How about you do a video of the cost to replace the battery? Why is all your videos point out to the positive of EV? What about the TRUE cost of owning one? Maintenance? Battery replacement cost..........issues? You have to be honest to the viewers. Don't just lure people in and say everything is gravy about EV vehicles. Nothing is perfect.
You're comparing Europe to the US... here in the US, the government is staying out of the standards market, Tesla commands the market here, and NACS is far more compact and easy to handle than CCS.
Because one is open source and a real standard and the other is proprietary technology that isn't open source and controlled by one company. Let's not give that one company more power over the EV charging infrastructure lol
@@DavidNunezPNW NACS is a open standard - its in the public domain, CCS is not, its a state appointed standard in the EU. The US has no charging standards. There is only ONE Company that can change anything in CCS, thats Charin. NACS is a open standard who currently has no head of development. That would have to change of course. I would prefer to give Apple the COD seat, the Chief of Development. I personally opt for NACS but it would not work in Europe where we usually use 3-phase grid connections.
So refreshing to listen to someone who presents content professionally and thoroughly. Most car magazines & channels make a mess of explaining issues with charging, & their reporters just gloss over stuff they don't seem to understand or care for much . Thanks for the most solid content 🎉
More destination chargers are needed also. Every state and national parked should have level 2 charging stations. Cruise ship terminals and Extended parking at airports can have level 1 charging stations since the car will be parked there for multiple days.
Great point, just imagining on departure the driver could leave the car plugged in the cruise ship lot 'please charge for arrival' block. Chargers in a whole row could be turned on nearing arrival. Easier on Tesla to check on stats max charge etc from app but would work on a Leaf as well.
Another advantage of NACS over CCS is that the locking latch is on the car instead of the handle. The car side latch is more reliable because people tend to break the latch on he CCS handles, making the charger inoperable until repaired.
Electrify America is the biggest contributor of wide NACS adoption. No major automakers would not adopt NACS if EA was reliable. Great job!!
Combining the AC and DC charging pins in the NACS connector was a genius move by Tesla engineers.
They made it more complicated for them so that the end-user experience could be better/easier. This is the way.
Just saw Rivian is going to Tesla NACS. They said: "Current Rivian vehicles will get a NACS adapter. Future Rivian vehicles, including current R1T and R1S models, will ship with the NACS charge port as standard equipment."
I wish Nissan would step up and make a Chademo to NACS adapter for the dedicated leaf owners out there
Same, but it doesn't look like they're interested :(
I smell a business opportunity.
I'm impressed with your smart commentary and suggestions for the industry. I hope they see this video.
F150 Lightning is now BACK on my short list to replace our 2013 Tesla Model S. Tesla supercharging is incredible.
We're looking into our first EV and this video was very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for gathering all the information and presenting it in a straightforward manner. Always much appreciated.
Wayne
Awesome summary!!! Thank you for all you do.
Very informative video. Many people don't know the history of the CCS vs NACS development.
For users of electric vehicles, charging is an important issue, but convenience facilities are also a very important aspect. For example, establishing more electric vehicle charging stations in cities, or providing electric vehicle users with charging cards to facilitate their search for charging station locations and usage information. In addition, electric vehicle dedicated parking spaces can be considered in public parking lots, or electric vehicle charging piles can be set up in public places such as shopping malls, schools, and hospitals to meet users' charging needs. At the same time, it is also necessary to improve the quality and ensure the safety and stability of charging facilities.
Always make me smile to see that you've posted another video, Lorraine. You've covered the details of this upcoming transition to NACS with a clear, systematic explanation. I agree that the NACS connectors are the best option, and there's no question that the Supercharger network is the most widespread, fast, and reliable. Funny thing, however: beyond this charging advantage, I'm not as keen on Tesla as I used to be. With this month's updates, EAP and FSD are now worse than ever. I'd much prefer BlueCruise or HDA 2. I just hope Hyundai will now get on board. It's true that, as you point out, the short cable on v.3 Superchargers is a real problem. They need to either lengthen them, provide some kind of extension, or ramp up the rollout of v.4 stations immediately. And… start cranking out NACS-to-CCS1 adapters as soon as possible!
You have to wonder why so many charging stations have issues. Is it on purpose, to make the infrastructure appear terrible for consumers? Because Tesla doesn't have these kind of issues.
It is because they all use off the shelf components, except for Tesla. It is cheaper.
@@davidbeppler3032 I don't think that's completely it. Electrify America came into existence because VW was forced to make them because of their emissions lie. They don't want EV's to succeed and have to retool everything to a market that they will most likely not make it in. Greed fuels everything.
Great presentation of basic information
Nicely done video! One thing that may help non Tesla chargers would be if they had personalised accounts . If the charger had an idea which car you had and if it knew it's software and state of charge it would be more reliable..
Wow, great job. Concise, clear and extremely accurate. Best explaination I've heard/watched of the problem and tech behind NACS. Thanks!
Please feature Calla in your videos, we miss her. Thank you.
Of course! I’ll have to see what video she can be in 🐶
Great video. Very useful, up to date information. Ford & GM will soon be followed by the rest of Big Auto for their EV's using NACS.
What a great put together and well thought out video. I saw looked at some of your other videos. I have no idea how you don't have way more views and subscrubers! On the topic of NACS, I am super excited. evstation has a "Tesla NACS Charger Adoption Tracker" and its showing 27 companies on board now. I think just about all the charger manufacturers are on board. No idea where Rivian is though, they need to announce NACS adoption ASAP or they are finished.
"Tesla NACS Charger Adoption Tracker" should track which companies rejected NACS. The leader in the list is LUCID, and then Porsche.
Very thorough!
Lol my poor leaf won’t have an infrastructure. But honestly with 15 kWh left on the battery I am happy charging it on the wall. It’s just an around town car anyways. Thanks for the explanations. Excited to see what is next.
What a thorough explanation. Thanks for all your work.
Great video! I hope we hear more automakers NACS partnership announcements soon :)
Firstly, great video and I'm loving your content! Secondly, I love your necklace!
Excellent reviews
It is not just about charging units it is also about emenities for human beings.
Truthfully speaking the correct way to improve seems to be to be online and up. The EV go and Electrify America model when compared to the TESLA Supercharger Network is not so good. The down time for those other networks seem to be lacking to say the least. I think more data should show as to why the TESLA Network is up and online more than those that are not, don't you think?
I saw your video on the Tesla toys...err scale models. Now with this NACS video, I think it would be super cute to build a model railroad like small town with Tesla vehicles and Superchargers.
very informative and well-researched as always. good job!
Great informative video! I love your channel! Keep up the great work.
More importantly, why did the CCS connector become the "standard"? With NACS already available on most EVs and chargers in North America?
I am an early adopter; my first EV was a 2012 Nissan LEAF, which I traded for a 2022 LEAF. Both cars have performed wonderfully. The times I have used Chademo, it has worked well. Right at the time it looks like the industry may standardize on NACS, Nissan has decided to embrace CCS with its new EV. I suspect Nissan will leave us LEAF owners, who otherwise are satisfied with our vehicles, high and dry with Chademo. Maybe if Nissan does not pick up the ball, some 3rd party will either make an adapter or modify the LEAF with a NACS port.
Standardizing on the physical NACS connector is just the first step. The second step is the payment system. Up to this point, I've had a card wallet in my glove box with the various RFID cards for the different brands, but they are starting to accept credit cards at some chargers. I use a credit card at EA, for instance. Universal plug-and-charge seems a ways off. And then there's the J1772 issue, because cars with NACS won't have a J1772 port. So if NACS really does become a standard, it should ultimately kill off J1772. There's a LOT of J1772 infrastructure to change out to NACS "destination charging".
very helpful video 👍
My car can only charge with a J1772 and it is annoying when I go to a mall or shopping plaza and find that the charging stations don't include even one J1772.
So an opportunity to charge while I shop, eat and/or catch a movie if there is a theater in walking distance has been missed. :-(
Sure, it may not be rapid charging and only provides several miles on electrons but every little bit helps.
Hey Paul, if you're finding that there are a bunch of Tesla level 2 chargers out there, there's a company called Tesla Tap that makes a adapter you can use to charge your J1772 car off of them!
@@CallasEV I think you are talking about the Destination Direct chargers.
One of those is relatively nearby but every time I have gone by that location, all the connections were already in use. So others learned that trick well before I heard about it. ;-)
Ti-Lane Precision Electronics company offers CCS1, J1772, CCS2, and Type2 charging connectors. Furthermore, we are actively developing products that comply with the NACS standard. We have plans to complete the NACS Tesla Level 2 AC fast charging connector and Level 3 EV DC supercharging connector by the end of August 2023.
As someone who has barely even driven in the last 11 years, lack of EV experience just being the latest facet, I find it fascinating to watch this charging train wreck play out. I hope to get back into driving and car ownership one day. By then, maybe all this charging mess will be sorted out. Then again, there could be another train wreck unfolding at that time. La vida es asi.
Supercharger Arbitrage!
I highly doubt I’m the first person to come up with this idea, but here it is, nonetheless.
Perhaps the single best, or at least most powerful way to motivate humans to do something is to pay them for their actions. “Economic Incentivization” is a powerful tool!
One of the issues around EV charging currently, and for the foreseeable future is charging speed at DC fast charger stations. There are multiple problems and multiple potential solutions surrounding this issue, but here’s a partial solution that may work out very well, if it can be technically implemented.
Scenario:
It’s late 2025, and I own an EV with a large (let’s say 150 kWh+) battery. My vehicle is connected to a NACS DC fast charger, and is charging at close to the maximum 350kW that the charger can provide, over an 800V connection. I am having dinner at a nearby restaurant, and my state of charge (SOC) has reached 53%, with a target of 80% for ending the charge, since I have no need to fully charge my battery in this session, and my pack uses NMC cells, which prefer to not be fully charged unless the extra range is needed.
Another EV pulls in next to mine, and connects to a paired charger that is on a shared feed with mine, so the charge rate I was at immediately halves, so that the 350kW maximum feed power that the two chargers share is not exceeded. All well and good, in many cases, if both EV owners are patient. But what if the owner of this second EV is in a hurry, or is simply willing to pay extra to charge faster?
“Simply” making every charger at every station capable of supplying 350kW or more at any time, day or night, fed directly from the grid is not yet a practical possibility, so what to do?
Arbitrage is the answer! It just so happens that I’m not in any sort of hurry, so as I sit enjoying my meal, my phone makes a “ka-ching!” sound, reminiscent of an antique cash register. I glance at the notification, and see that my pre-programmed arbitrage settings are allowing the second EV owner to charge at 800kW. He’ll be at 80% SOC in just over 8 minutes!
How is this possible, you might ask? It is simply because I’ve given default permission for my EV to not only stop charging, but feed some of its battery charge to the other EV, over the 800V direct DC connection to the charger. The other EV is not only now drawing the full 350kW that the charger pair can provide, it’s also drawing 450kW from my EV’s battery.
It happens that I’m satisfied to let my pre-programmed defaults run in this session, so I’m content to let my battery deplete down to only a 20% SOC, since I’m close to my destination, where I know I can charge overnight from an EVSE in my friend’s garage, and at a VERY low cost, due to their participation in their electric utility’s time of use rate plan.
For my willingness to allow this to happen, I am rewarded handsomely in future fast charge credit, paid for by the other EV owner’s willingness to pony up some $$ to cover the faster charge rate, so he can get to his hot date on time. I could have opted for other scenarios by simply tapping an option or two on my phone, such as insisting on the 350kW charger being shared equally between the two EVs, or my EV charging at a reduced rate, giving him more power, or my charging stopping entirely until he is charged, then resuming, without ever depleting my battery, etc. But my willingness to “sacrifice” some of my battery’s energy, at least temporarily, worked out well for both parties.
No doubt there are many additional scenarios that can be imagined where some variations on this them can prove to be mutually advantageous…
Let’s make this happen!
Zelda necklace! I like her.
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I think it's great that the vw diesel fraudster is now facing a lot of competition!!
Is that a legend of Zelda necklace? If it is then that’s sweet! 😊
It sure is! 😁
PLEASE make a video about KEMPOWER charging technology.
Zelda fan! Great video!
Lot of good info. I do think though that towards the end with the other charging networks expanding that it’s more likely going to follow the path of the Google search engine. The other chargers will end up fading away as Teslas expansion pace and reliability dominates. That’s a win for all EV owners. Pricing of energy is regulated so competitive prices won’t really be a thing.
Whichever companies go full NACS first wins.
I.e. Tesla! 😅
It's only a plug, the problem is what is on the other end of that plug ie the quality of the charger itself.
Here in the UK, Tesla's have CCS sockets, also the Tesla Chargers have CCS plugs and they work well
The UK should switch. NACS is better.
@@davidbeppler3032 NACS may be smaller an lighter but it's just a plug. It all depends on the quality of the charger connected to it and in the UK they are connected to Tesla chargers so they are superb, where they are connected to non Tesla chargers there are issues but never with the plug but with the charger.
@@davidbeppler3032 nope. CCS has 3 phase, NACS doesnt
I don't know if anyone being in the picture would even be necessary in these videos, but now it has to be there; going backward just would not work. I don't know what could be better, other than maybe turning cartwheels.
Position of charging port is such a snag. I don't know if there is a neat solution, other than to have the cable come down from a movable, overhead box that holds most of the equipment. Longer cables just seem so undesirable overall.
@6:50 "so, why doesn't Tesla just switch over to CCS" LOL. At least I hope it was just a rhetorical question, unpausing now.
In North America it is NACS or nothing.
In every country it should be NACS or nothing. CCS was supported by Big Oil and Legacy Auto to slow EV adoption. Not because it was good.
@@davidbeppler3032 nope. Most evs sold globally are not Tesla. CCS has 3 phase, NACS doesnt.
@@nordic5490 CCS2 is 3 phase. CCS1, that is in North America is crap compared to CCS2
Big problem I’ve seen with EVGO is the unit can be non functional & you can’t tell. There can be a lot of credit card waving & other steps before you realize the charger isn’t going to work.
What a little cutie and she knows her stuff!
Isnt the tesla supercharger inferior to 800v systems? Isnt these other companies going to the tesla standard a step back? Its all so confusing
Tesla vehicles are No.1 issue with these 3rd party charging stations go offline since they have higher inlet currents which often breaks the charging machines.
How NACS support 3 phase AC charge?
Hello! NACS doesn't support 3 phase charging. None of the north American charging standards support it as it's very uncommon to have 3 phase residential power here.
4 stalls? I agree too few!
And we will also need the national grid to be upgraded or the renewable energy efforts will fail too.
EVs use less electricity than AC units or Refineries that product Gas.
People want screens at the chargers but then says the Tesla superchargers are most reliant. And they don’t have those screens, etc. think people.
More automakers will switch to NACS once Tesla rolls out charger stalls supporting up to 900 volts.
There should be a universal charger!
There is, it is called NACS. It is better and came before the CCS. Big Oil and Legacy Auto supported the CCS to hurt EV adoption. Not because it was good.
Well... there are a few things left out of this video.
90% of all ev charging events are not at public chargers.
Most evs sold globally are not Tesla, and even the Teslas sold in the UK have CCS fitted.
CCS has 3 phase, NACS doesnt
For most owners, this makes no difference. There are plenty of evs on the road that have never been to a public charger.
Hi Nordic, one quick correction on your comment. The AC Type2 portion of CCS2 is capable of 3 phase charging in Europe. In the US none of our connectors support 3 phase since it's very uncommon to be delivered as residential power. Hope that helps!
She weighed 99 lbs but after wrestling with the CCS cable now weighs 95 lbs.
#facts
12:07 What does she mean by this? What kind of car does she have?
It's a model 3 that doesn't have the CCS retrofit. I'll be getting it installed on my car so I can charge up at 3rd party stations, including ones with NACS connectors.
@@CallasEV Thanks for the reply! Not being a Tesla owner (I drive a Bolt), I thought that all Teslas could charge at CCS stations via a CCS-to-Tesla-connector adaptor. Interesting to know that you have to get it retrofitted to do so.
Also, I landed on this video today because I was looking for a video to share with people about the transition from CCS to NACS. After watching half a dozen or so, including some from channels I really like, I decided yours was the best. Good work! 👍🏼
The biggest barrier to EV's is the cost. Then its the range/charging.
The biggest barrier to new cars is the cost. Has nothing to do with EVs.
A Tesla Model 3 is less expensive than a FREE NEW Honda Accord over the life of the vehicle.
Just took a CCS 500 mile road trip. No issues with EA.
I know a guy that won the lottery too.
@@davidbeppler3032 so what?
The troubles CCS cars currently have at Magic Dock superchargers show implementing CCS protocols is not easy nor always successful.
Who is going to pay for replacing CCS1 charging station connectors?
How can you say Magic Dock is successful when 800 V cars charge slowly and lots of cars have trouble not hogging two spots due to short cable?
90% of cars are not 800V.
@@davidbeppler3032 what percent of people are handicapped? 5%? Want to get rid of handicapped parking spots?
@@davidbeppler3032 today. In about 5 years it is possible most new cars will be 900 V.
a charger that don't have a bank card payment method is useless
A charger that has a card payment method is useless.
@@davidbeppler3032 you will learn by the hard way when the apps servers go down
Did anyone ever tell you you look a lot like Vanessa Hudgens?
The TESLA charging port is ALWAYS on Left Rear it has NOTHING to do with driver's side. The port is in the same place on all TESLAs in Right Hand Drive countries too.
With adapters, the need to quickly do away with CCS1 will be negated.
It isn't NACS. Why?
It is just Tesla's adapter.
It isn't government standard.
CCS1 is dead and won’t be missed.
Not dead yet.. on life support.
Wonder why Tesla connector is only 50 kW at EVgo? That's because it's using a Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter behind the scenes. This means that hack won't work with others like GM or Ford unless they adopt CHAdeMO protocol too. Technically, EVgo don't have NACS. They have Tesla via CHAdeMO, only. To be NACS, they would need to have their charger manufacturer go back and actually build Tesla connector stations using CCS which exists nowhere in the world and certainly is not a North American standard.
This move by Ford and GM was a coup and favors only Tesla. It makes the US charging infrastructure much less able to have more than one player, Tesla, and makes it more likely that we could see the others fail creating the monopoly scenario you hinted at in the video.
To do this right, there should have been industry and government meetings with transparency and input by consumers to switch from the standard most manufacturers had agreed to support in the USA to a connector merged with the CCS protocol which Tesla stations don't currently support now anyway. There has been far too much hype from the EV journalism/review space for NACS with almost no sober investigation into what this would do to the industry. Those charging companies folded to commit to transitioning to NACS quickly because their shareholders were tanking their stocks. No one had the time to assess the costs. Even Tesla pretending that ripping out half or all of their current stations to upgrade to V4 is ridiculous. These so-called business mavens will trash billions of dollars of existing infrastructure to land NEVI grant money to rebuild old stations to make a semi-walled garden, which so far, Tesla is now only opening to companies who sign a deal with them. Why all the celebtation? It was a coup to half abandon an existing standard. And all we got was a t-shirt.
BTW, the Tesla to CHAdeMO is "up to" 50 kW but often charges as slowly as a 48 amp level 2 charger in the teens.
Ford and GM refused to spend $100 billion each on Charging infrastructure like Tesla has. Blame them for failing the US consumer.
To be clear Karlin CCS is trash. It was created by Big Oil and Legacy Auto to slow adoption of EVs. AFTER the NACS was introduced by Tesla. When 90% of EVs in America were Tesla, the CCS was made the "standard". Creating a walled garden keeping Tesla out. I notice you either did not know this, or just ignore it.
Our Gov failed to Screw us and you got a T-shirt.
“All chargers should have screens and payment options.”
And yet: “issues with non-Tesla networks include not working screens and payment options.”
Uh… hello!
I would not call Aptera an automaker. Aptera aspires to be an automaker.
Tesla needs to stop making such large supercharger sites with too many dispensers. More locations spread out will be better. Have more destination chargers in densely populated urban areas.
Trust me, those mega charger dispenser locations get used heavily. Check one during a holiday weekend. They're not sitting unused for long at all.
Given the work associated with permitting and approvals to install a new site, I can understand why Tesla is opting to expand existing sites in heavily used locations. Although I too would like to see more widely distributed charging, new capacity anywhere is welcome.
In 3 years time, virtually every charging site currently online will be considered smaller than needed. That said, tons of new sites are in the works.
We're going to need a lot more sites AND a lot bigger sites.
Why not do both?
Blink is a disaster - announcements won’t change that.
How about you do a video of the cost to replace the battery? Why is all your videos point out to the positive of EV? What about the TRUE cost of owning one? Maintenance? Battery replacement cost..........issues?
You have to be honest to the viewers. Don't just lure people in and say everything is gravy about EV vehicles. Nothing is perfect.
This video is so dumb, Tesla should be forced to switch to CCS like they do in Europe, not the other way around.
You're comparing Europe to the US... here in the US, the government is staying out of the standards market, Tesla commands the market here, and NACS is far more compact and easy to handle than CCS.
Europes CCS is incompatible with CCS1 in America. You fail to understand the value of NACS
Why?
Because one is open source and a real standard and the other is proprietary technology that isn't open source and controlled by one company. Let's not give that one company more power over the EV charging infrastructure lol
@@DavidNunezPNW NACS is a open standard - its in the public domain, CCS is not, its a state appointed standard in the EU. The US has no charging standards.
There is only ONE Company that can change anything in CCS, thats Charin. NACS is a open standard who currently has no head of development. That would have to change of course.
I would prefer to give Apple the COD seat, the Chief of Development.
I personally opt for NACS but it would not work in Europe where we usually use 3-phase grid connections.
If you aint on nacs youre dead to me
Rivian just moved to NACS
lol you called me out. I just bought a Nissan 🍃. I didn’t know 🥲 I am screwed capital S