Matt Christman on German-American Identity on Spaßbremse

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
  • Matt Christman talks with Spaßbremse on German American identity and their unique idiosyncrasies. Spaßbremse's Patreon is / spassbremse

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  • @iannordin5250
    @iannordin5250 Год назад +89

    The German and Czechs used to have a huge cultural strangle hold in central Texas, yeah. It's funny cause like Matt said, you'll get cities like San Marcos and San Antonio, and nestled between you got New Braunfels and Fredericksburg. Central Texas used to be famous for a particularly incomprehensible dialect of German-English that has unfortunately all but disappeared outside a quickly disappearing elderly population. This is also where Tex Mex originated, with Mexican ranching food mixing with German tastes for cheese and creams. Also a lot of popular Mexican styles were inspired by German and Czech Polka, so if you ever wonder how the presence of the Accordion in Mexican music got to be so suffocating, you can thank the Germans for that. Tbh it's actually a really cool synchronicity of culture in Central Texas, as both Mexican and German cultures sort of grew around each other without really being in conflict, unlike those perfidious Anglos settlers, so there's a surprising sentimentality between the 2 you don't see in a lot of other white ethnic groups in the US.

    • @jjsintern4462
      @jjsintern4462 Год назад

      No wonder why Tex Mex sucks (New Mexican)

  • @thel33tpenguinftw40
    @thel33tpenguinftw40 2 года назад +25

    By far the funniest thing about Kitchener, Ontario is how little effort they put into hiding the fact that they were German. So many of the streets are named like Bismarck and Luddendorf or whatever. They didn't rename because of like cultural pressure but because people stopped buying products labeled as made in Berlin

  • @trentwolfgram9571
    @trentwolfgram9571 2 года назад +25

    Damn, this one smacked hard. Born in Kansas, raised in Wisconsin, grandpa spoke German and was from Switzerland, heavily Catholic families, Wolfgram name on my dad's side. Grandma had more pictures of popes and angels than anything else haha. Live in Pennsylvania now, it's surreally similar when I see Amish about and can understand them. I only speak broken German, but enough to get by

  • @hoathanatos6179
    @hoathanatos6179 2 года назад +20

    My family is from Prussia (my grandparents spoke fluent Plattdeutsch but not a lick of standard Hochdeutsch) and anyone who tries to have pride in Prussian culture either is completely ignorant of the culture or is a straight up fascist. When I watch German films or documentaries that talk about Nazi child-rearing and education and it is just straight up borrowed from Prussian pedagogy.
    My family were evangelicals from the region rather than Lutherans, however, and they also were strong proponents of the Temperance movement in opposition to most German immigrants. I'm pretty sure this is just because of the severe alcoholism in my family and my grandfather growing up with most of his male relatives being abusive drunks.
    We also had very strong relations with the Mennonites around us since my family speaks the same dialect as them. Conversely my family would have nothing to do with High German speaking Catholics since they couldn't understand their dialects and their view was that the only thing worse than a Jew was a Catholic. My grandfather would have disowned a child for marrying a Jew (my cousin literally was disowned by my aunt and uncle for marrying into Judaism) but would have killed a child for marrying a Catholic.
    My family was oddly not supportive of the Bund movement nor the Nazis in general despite having similar politics on certain issues. They thought that the Nazis were devil worshippers and occultists; Himmler might as well have been the anti-Christ himself. Nazis worshipped the state and Hitler (a God-damned Catholic) over God and so they could be seen as nothing but the worst people on Earth to my grandparents.

    • @nihilioellipsis
      @nihilioellipsis 2 месяца назад

      thanks for telling me about that. It's not likely to be a commonly found sort of story. So thanks again.

  • @J-Loe
    @J-Loe Год назад +7

    That walk from bar to bar in the dead of midwestern winter let’s you know you’re alive
    Plus you got that whiskey jacket so who gives a f’k about this cold
    And it gives you a chance to ‘sober up’ so that drink when you get to the next bar hits harder aaaand you feel like you’ve earned it

  • @ElLapiz24
    @ElLapiz24 2 года назад +7

    23:55 Damn, I live in Milwaukee and have been pronouncing New Berlin like that my whole life without even realizing it lmao.

  • @creamabdul-jabbar
    @creamabdul-jabbar 4 дня назад +1

    @9:16 my dad got a coffee mug with our fake german family crest lmao

  • @MRGTi5
    @MRGTi5 Год назад +7

    at 31:34 the town he's referring to is Yaphank NY. In the run-up to the war, the Bund operated a German-American Nazi-style summer camp called Camp Siegfried. They would hold actual Nazi rallies there. The property was seized and closed by the government during the war. After the war, the property was turned into a private community that essentially was closed off to non-Germans and maintained discriminatory housing and real estate practices that continued as recently as 2017. They actually did have streets in the town that were just called Hitler Street, Goering Way, etc
    this Long Islander is very happy that Matt brought up this bit of trivia

    • @zeitgeistx5239
      @zeitgeistx5239 Год назад

      The New York Times outted them in 2011 having an informal racial convenant as the Nazi descendants living in the subdivision was on the former Nazi camp required a vote to allow someone to sell a house to an outsider on the basis of whom that person was. A family claimed that the neighborhood was racist as they were holding up the sale of their home to a black man. People in the neighborhood objected to the sale on the basis of the new owner and not the sale. And of course the used the dog whistle of not wanting to “change the neighborhood” aka no blacks.

  • @antondalemma5484
    @antondalemma5484 Год назад +4

    Glad you touched on "Germans from Russia" element in colonial settlement. It was hardly just the large secular Mennonite diaspora that came from Russia but an even larger German Catholic crew that immigrated in the hundreds of thousands over a very short period. The church negotiated huge colonies during the "free real-estate" land grabs in Canada when last bits of US were occupied. Born in 62, I am one of the first generation of my massive xenophobic clan of incessant breeders, numbering around 4300 in 1980 ... from two maternal Greatgrandfathers. I have 101 first cousins and around 800 second cousins. We are the third largest wing of two men who sired 26 and 18 children ... not including pre-Baptized half dozen or more births. Until the mid 70s my clan never married and bred outside the very tiny blood lines.
    German Catholics from Russia dominate large tracks of land stretching from an area along Alberta-Saskatchewan Border, a large swath ending just east of Calgary and have direct kinship to large groups in US, with largest concentration in North Dakota.
    My father and a Menonite Prof from U or Manitoba did extensive research on migration, settlements and culture of this specific diaspora ... much of it in Salt Lake City. During cold war era the Mormons had negotiated near exclusive access and transfer of records from the USSR. Despite Catholic church registries, very little documentation exists establishing where each family (surname) lived in Germany before departing to Russia, en-mass in many instances. Like ... entire villages.
    Around the mid 70s there was a huge revival of the "Germans from Russia culture" ... and I say that all in quotes since a great deal of it was shaped by religious and anti-communist dogma of the time, much of it pumped out by academics like said Prof at UofM who fucking hated anyone left of Reagan (to use American context). "Germans from Russia Societies" popped up all over, especially in US. My father was thoroughly involved in the GfR pride and made many trips to US hoping to do the same in Sask and Alberta. I took History courses to back a Pol Philosophy degree in 80s and found myself constantly clashing with my father over the myth of our pious, "industrial pioneers;" almost everything about our relationship to Russia and the regions we settled there, and the certain undertones of identty-nationalism in the cultural revival. Luckily the the pride efforts largely died, in Canada. Googling some of his old contacts in the Dakotas revealed some of original societies may have morphed into more extreme identity politics.
    A couple of interesting notes.
    1. I never met a German (slash Canadian) that did not hope, if not outright claim, they heralded from Bavaria or some other romantic southern region of Germany. In fact almost all the Catholics originated from truly boring, flat northern Germany; a great deal of them from Alsace-Lorraine. Most have no idea where they originated in Germany since there were few records from old Germany. My father's 20 years of research revealed his side originated from a tiny village 70K southwest of Strasbourg ... via luck, when he stumbled onto a hand written inscription by a tavern keeper in some old research notebook ... confirmed posthumously, by one year.
    2. They called themselves "pacifists" because they were peasant farmers escaping constant semi-feudal, imperial, and religious wars in that region during 16-1800s. Despite a number of queries with 'sharpest" of my large crew of elders, none of them could define that claim
    ideologically and all of them supported every US "anti-communist" war whether it was Viet Nam or any number of Central American actions. All the earliest references to Russian revolution are loaded with anti-communist dogma and Lenon was referred to as "Satan allied" by my crew and "Beelzebub" without quotes in said Prof's U of M political essays.
    3. Both sides of the family hail from the vast Volga River watershed (my father's arriving earlier (late 1700s) then great wave in mid 1800s. By agreement with Russian crown they were to open land to modern farming practices and lead Russian peasants into modern agricultural age. At best they acted as a buffer between Russian feudal landlords and unconquered Cossack indigenous people. (Its not ironic they performed same role in great prairie settlement). Aside from fact that Russian nobility sabotaged all efforts to destroy their beloved feudal system, by the research, and tales passed down back when I was young, they feared Cossacks and despised Russian peasants, considering them no more human than they did First Nations peoples they witnessed starving in makeshift camps along crown roads during early settlement years in Canadian prairies.
    4. I had 4 Great Uncles/Cousins with the name Adolf. My mother, now just 90, spoke German as her mother tongue until "the war" when it was banned from churches, schools and even in her household. All my grandparents spoke excellent English (with heavy accents) but reverted to German during every conversation involving sex, scandal or disease.
    5. I learned from my mother and a elderly cousin that both my Grandfathers believed we were fighting "the Kaiser." who they never lived under but worshiped, and cheered when the radio reported London bombings. They pitied all the "lesser" groups in their long list of prejudices but they truly hated the English ... largely because the English dominated Canadian politics and power structures, and more or less treated them like ignorant peasants.
    5. Finally, nothing stresses our lumpen class status upon leaving Germany from Russia then our languages. All of my great grandparents and many of my grandparents' generation were illiterate. Upon arrival, only the priest who may have accompanied them was literate. A linguist attached to said U of M prof researched a number of dialects associated with Germans from Russia and discovered at best, they immigrated east (to Russia) with about 3000 words in their vocabulary.
    As you can tell, I could go on and write a book about German Catholics from Russia ... like me dear old pa almost completed. I sit on a stack of file boxes with his notes, including hundreds of responses from American Germans to his surveys and queries.
    Loved this show. Been a Chistman(n) fan since early Chapo launch. Your reflections support and expanded on mine.

  • @augustgurtisen
    @augustgurtisen Месяц назад +1

    I'm from Washington state, My grandfather taught me the lord's prayer in german and a few assorted words. a story i liked was when my grandpa brought grandma home, his mom and grandmother tried to stop speaking german for her.

  • @FromTheFens219
    @FromTheFens219 2 года назад +6

    Interesting. Being a Brit with one German grandparent I feel I recognise a lot of that 'vague memory' stuff, Christmas traditions etc.

    • @RememberShuffle
      @RememberShuffle  2 года назад +7

      yeah very interesting how so much of folk americaness is german, but it's been baked in so much that we don't even think about it as being separate the way we do with italian-americaness

  • @the_malefactor
    @the_malefactor Год назад +2

    My grandmother's family were some of those Volksdeutsche from Russia who immigrated to Canada in the early twentieth century, though they were migratory farm laborers and so far as I'm aware, not Mennonites. The fact that my grandmother was born in Montana while they were seasonally farming sugar beets is why I in turn am a burger-fisted American.

  • @Mrfreezejumbo
    @Mrfreezejumbo 2 года назад +16

    Matt's wrong about the largest Oktoberfest outside of Germany being in Cincinnati. It's in Kitchener Ontario (as mentioned, previously named Berlin). Around 700,000 yearly visits

    • @RememberShuffle
      @RememberShuffle  2 года назад +9

      haha, yeah I went to U Waterloo and caught that as well. Unless I have been lied to by everyone in Kitchener

    • @cat_city2009
      @cat_city2009 2 года назад

      They renamed Berlin Kitchener?
      Fucking disgusting Anglo shit.
      Goddamn the Queen.

    • @RadioMartyT1B
      @RadioMartyT1B 2 года назад +1

      Strange Brew. It's a docudrama.

  • @user-tl4fi6oy8d
    @user-tl4fi6oy8d 2 года назад +6

    I'm from Toronto and we also say "pop," not "soda." Soda just sounds wrong.

  • @markmaurer6370
    @markmaurer6370 2 года назад +5

    My great grandfather was a hessian mercenary who was shot in the ass jumping over a fence. He originated from Baden Baden and after he recovered he immigrated to the US.

  • @Jakeurb8ty82
    @Jakeurb8ty82 Год назад +1

    akchualy in Oregon [its probably still mostly German] we have a lot of Scandinavians and my my grandpas parents were Dane Mormons who immigrated. luckily the place was so remote they switched to the local Presbyterian congregation. Other half is English [aka German] og colonists. Supposedly some black Irish as well. Grandma any my mom are big into genealogy. We used to be in Missouri but abject fear of a slave revolt partially drove my great great great grandpa to go west stake a land claim claim wandered into California get a little bit of gold - then he took a ship back east and got his girl (who he had told to forget about him). Captained a Wagon train back west this time with his family in tow. In the family he went by the name 'Cap'. Along the way they had two sons named Kanas and Nebraska.
    Most of Oregon's population has only been here a one or two generations like my dads Germanic family. When I was born I was the 5th generation to be born in the state on my moms side. It used to be a stage coach stop on the way to the coast. Massive kitchen. Brass numbers above the bedroom doors. In first grade we moved there so my mom could take care of great grandma with Alzheimer's -until she broke her hip five years later. The owner of a small time lumber company [known for screwing people over] my great uncle-in law bought the property after grandma passed. He planted trees all over my great grandpas fields. House abandoned, it burnt down 15 years ago.
    - 'line does not go up mr bond.'

  • @a1b3do
    @a1b3do Год назад +2

    Extremely bothered by the video image: most common ancestry in several states is "United States" apparently. Not American Indian mind you, like Alaska or Oklahoma.

    • @tomtomtrent
      @tomtomtrent Год назад

      I'm pretty sure most of those people are of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, whose families have likely been in America since before the Revolutionary War. Ethnic groups even further removed from Germans, to the point where they're not even worth mentioning lol

  • @Niklas-bk2rd
    @Niklas-bk2rd 2 года назад +3

    "hardcore germans" eat raw pork on bread, not beef. almost no one eats raw beef here. its actually quiet normal to eat raw pork for breakfast in germany

  • @andrewstockwell66
    @andrewstockwell66 2 месяца назад

    Berlin, Michigan was changed to Marne since the 2nd Battle of the Marne was the first major battle the US took part in. But only the town name changed, all of the spots in town that had Berlin in their names (Berlin Motor Speedway, Berlin Baptist church, etc) stayed tge same lol

    • @damintten
      @damintten 2 месяца назад +1

      Ya kinda funny there is the Berlin motor speedway in Nascar but no one knows about Marne.

  • @Blady99
    @Blady99 4 месяца назад +2

    GERMAN-AMERICAN LIVES MATTER

  • @fishingsouthwestflorida1586
    @fishingsouthwestflorida1586 Год назад +1

    My grandpa was born in 1909 in Ireland and died at 99 years old, does that make me Irish American

  • @Shane-A112
    @Shane-A112 4 месяца назад +1

    While Baltimore has a massive german population, we are so thoroughly steeped in one of the only real American subcultures that sourkraut is seen as a Baltimore thing, not an explicitly german thing.

  • @MikeTooleK9S
    @MikeTooleK9S 2 года назад +2

    "but I think he never understood her will. he never had the pain of losing his own language" The boss must've spoken German or some shit metal gear metal gear

  • @cablehogue599
    @cablehogue599 Год назад +1

    London Ontario used to called Berlin Ontario.

  • @BadForHealth
    @BadForHealth 2 года назад +6

    12:20 They had Matt on the Jeffrey Dahmer diet.

    • @RememberShuffle
      @RememberShuffle  2 года назад +5

      Truly peak wipipo food: "what if we didn't cook the meat, but we seasoned it with an onion, and put it on sliced bread"

  • @colonialstraits1069
    @colonialstraits1069 3 месяца назад

    There is still a Berlin in Michigan and we are also in the “pop” belt. The Dutch have left a bigger mark on Michigan than the Germans, probably because they got here first.

  • @augustgurtisen
    @augustgurtisen Месяц назад

    "there's isolated german stuff" excuse me have you been to oktoberfest? It's way bigger than any other ethnic celebration. It's a week long deal. most other celebrations take a single day.

  • @juliettedemaso7588
    @juliettedemaso7588 2 года назад +3

    Schnapps? I thought it was Jaeger in the freezer. I’m not German tho so 🤷‍♀️

    • @bladdnun3016
      @bladdnun3016 10 месяцев назад +1

      Jägermeister is a brand of Schnaps. A very bad one, too. Also it amuses me that you Americans spell it Schnapps.

    • @juliettedemaso7588
      @juliettedemaso7588 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@bladdnun3016 if we can screw up a word we will. There’s an allergy to being cultured here, while cosplaying being cultured.

  • @coreygolphenee9633
    @coreygolphenee9633 2 года назад +3

    Oh Idaho is English for sure lol

  • @marcusdavis5599
    @marcusdavis5599 Год назад

    They were able to show up because country was opened up. Had to get those white numbers up.

  • @adamjoseph6132
    @adamjoseph6132 Год назад

    Hold up - don't go blaming the Germans for IPAs. The Brits aren't getting off the hook for that bs 😂😂

  • @20thcenturyfoxyoutube
    @20thcenturyfoxyoutube Год назад

    Fruitcake

  • @ElLapiz24
    @ElLapiz24 2 года назад +6

    23:55 Damn, I live in Milwaukee and have been pronouncing New Berlin like that my whole life without even realizing it lmao.