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I do this on a regular basis, couple of observations I never use the prv to drain use either the drain on the return or disconnect the filling link and drain from there. Always have magnet handy and never squeeze the hoses. Always cover the PCB and have a cheap hairdryer in the van just in case. Get the Viessmann tool kit great extension for the top nuts on the burner. Interesting to see someone else approach 👍
You are 1000% correct on the rubber hoses in these mate - i powerflush central heating systems and see this all the time a complete nitemare bad desighn I also got onto Viessman uk who dismissed what I was telling them about thse hoses . I do not like Viessman boilers because if this desighn fault ! I don’t see this problem anywhere else apart from the older Vaillant’s thst had them in ! Thanks for sharing this I got one to do in a few weeks with same fault both hoses have been ordered 👍
I always thought the hoses were supposed to be cleaned out on a service via flush. Easy to do but agree they are a pain and not a good design. Cant think of any other boiler that requires this. Good video as Vs have odd quirks a bit like the old citreon cars.
I totally agree with the rubber hose issue. Flexicom’s and ultracom 1’s are the same . Block up causing havoc with water quality. I do love to crunch the hoses though, it feels lush. 🤪
I have about 60 or more Viessmann boilers on my warranty scheme up to 16 years old. No issues with hoses. Some needed to be cleaned originally but no longer. If the hoses caused the issue I would expect to always have the issue. Clearly this is not the case. Very easy to change if needed but almost never need to. Clean if required.
100 percent agree with you about the use of rubber inside a boiler wheather it be flow return hoses or flexys to exp vessels nothing but problematic . valliant will tell you all about it .at least they finally cured the prob by changing to copper .if they had used copper from begining they might not have needed the canoe filter .another place I've seen it a lot is on kickspace convectors connected with flexys ,just the same problem hydroscopic material entraining oxygen into system and blocking at the point of entry.but I think it's all cost related and suspect a rubber hose must be cheaper than a piece of copper
Great video. I totally agree with you about rubber hoses in boilers. Doesn’t that also mean magcleans won’t collect it as it’s rubber too. Keep the videos coming
Would never have a Viessmann in my own house, never rated them but do like the work they get me always play up . Funny though when you speak to other engineers about their experiences some like me love Worcester and Vaillant others love Baxi and Ideal and Intergas but yet to find a Ferrolli or Ariston lover for very good reason
Nice one PP......totally agree mate , all makes of boiler suffer the same problem with rubber hose syndrome..... A top Vaillant engineer once told me if you put a gallon of white vinegar into the system having fitted a new boiler and flushed thoroughly you never get this problem with the hoses......ive never tried this so don"t know if it works... Cheers mate
Good video Tom any idea why you brought the heat exchanger out to the garden? I take it you was going to flush it out with the hosepipe and also wash the heating surface at the same time? I’ve still got a few Wb1c boilers in service and touchwood they’ve been quite good also got an050 at home a 2016 model and that has been brilliant too. I think viessmann is a great brand Across Europe they fill the systems with distilled demineralised water and the new 100 series still has rubber hoses and they don’t seem to have a problem
@Parkes Plumbing Yes I thought you would’ve flushed it while it’s out , did much crap come out? I had one caught me out years ago the hoses we’re not too bad but the rear brass elbow was almost blocked! My five-year-old 050 has been brilliant but should I replace the rear return or flow hoses by now?
Evening mate, just found your channel this week. I've caught up with all the videos, really enjoying them and picking up some golden nuggets from each one. Be good to know more about pricing of jobs/parts and software you use? Just after you saying you were thinking about other content you could do. I work for a big company doing servicing and really enjoying day to day life from the self employed angle. Thanks mate and keep up the good work.
Cheers craig .. it’s tough to discuss pricing as it’s regional but the software I use for invoicing and day to day running of my business is quickbooks
@@ParkesPlumbing Hi mate. Thanks. Yeah I understand that and it's personal too. I'm just understanding a lot more now but don't know how that discussion is had and how you go about charging. Its easier for me cause customers have a yearly contract and parts are just ordered etc. Appreciate the videos and genuinely enjoying your day to day. Cheers 🍻
Done my 1st hose change on a vitodens 100 last month.. Very straightforward I felt. Funnily didn't need a plate clean as temperature was fine. Can the plate be removed by itself (like most popular brands) without removing the aqua block? Nice Vids Tom btw.👍🏾
Never had the issue with a demineralised system it is purely down to the calcium level of tap water also ph level is a massive factor system water should be around 9.6 for stainless steel heat exchangers & 8.5 for aluminium
I've got a vitodens 050 about 4 years old water and heating not working properly plate heat exchanger is clean engineer vaxed loads of debris out of hoses but says main heat exchanger has had it needs replacing can that happen
I hate any rubber hoses on boilers.. it's like on the old Keston c30 boiler with the rubber flue hose inside the boiler.. without a doubt they would have a hole at the back of them
They don't 'create' it.. they do collect it and release it in chucks though and its bloody annoying... agree.. I have the scientific explanation of the hoses crap phenomenon if your interested! 😜
@@kevincranfield5235 they are made to din standard so I don't think so. I mean they could contribute.. but the reason they collect is because the flow against the rubber creates a positive charge.. the iron particles collect here.. when they heat up and cool down they solidify together then build up and flake off. The rust is not directly from the rad. Thats why (and tom will agree) the flakes are exactly thr same shape as the internal bore of the plastic pipe
My theory is...... After been a gas engineer for 15 years and an avid watcher of gold rush. 😂 That the internal surface of the hoses are rough/braided. and ends up working like a riffles in a sluice box. Effecting the flow of water spinning the fine particles of dirt until it sticks to the side of the hose. Once enough is on there it either breaks off and ends up else where in a flake or just continues to build up No matter how much you flush a system you will never get rid of all of the dirt And these hoses are expects at catching it
@@ParkesPlumbing But everyone knows it’s a crap design, they blame everyone & everything for the crap design. Mate, they’re shite, get it on the grass!!
I do this on a regular basis, couple of observations I never use the prv to drain use either the drain on the return or disconnect the filling link and drain from there. Always have magnet handy and never squeeze the hoses. Always cover the PCB and have a cheap hairdryer in the van just in case. Get the Viessmann tool kit great extension for the top nuts on the burner. Interesting to see someone else approach 👍
100 % agree , same happened with the vailliant rubber hoses
Cheers Ian
Awesome video--great way to start my Friday. As always, thanks for doing the videos.
Thank YOU for watching as usual
My day was spent changing taps and fixing toilets. Come home to watch more plumbing. Love the content buddy, keep up the good work
Cheers Ryan
You are 1000% correct on the rubber hoses in these mate - i powerflush central heating systems and see this all the time a complete nitemare bad desighn I also got onto Viessman uk who dismissed what I was telling them about thse hoses . I do not like Viessman boilers because if this desighn fault ! I don’t see this problem anywhere else apart from the older Vaillant’s thst had them in ! Thanks for sharing this I got one to do in a few weeks with same fault both hoses have been ordered 👍
I always thought the hoses were supposed to be cleaned out on a service via flush.
Easy to do but agree they are a pain and not a good design.
Cant think of any other boiler that requires this.
Good video as Vs have odd quirks a bit like the old citreon cars.
Awesome vid bro liking the content 🙌🏾
Thanks for watching
loving the reception at the merchants lol
Always a warm welcome
@@ParkesPlumbing lol
I totally agree with the rubber hose issue.
Flexicom’s and ultracom 1’s are the same . Block up causing havoc with water quality. I do love to crunch the hoses though, it feels lush. 🤪
Black gold!! ... thanks for watching
I have about 60 or more Viessmann boilers on my warranty scheme up to 16 years old. No issues with hoses. Some needed to be cleaned originally but no longer. If the hoses caused the issue I would expect to always have the issue. Clearly this is not the case. Very easy to change if needed but almost never need to. Clean if required.
Always look forward to your video & keep the memes going😂😂
Thank you very much!!
Great video mate and I don’t work on many so handy to have a in sight on various issues that may arise
Yeh that’s the aim here ... not a full how to but a nice insight to what I get up to
100 percent agree with you about the use of rubber inside a boiler wheather it be flow return hoses or flexys to exp vessels nothing but problematic . valliant will tell you all about it .at least they finally cured the prob by changing to copper .if they had used copper from begining they might not have needed the canoe filter .another place I've seen it a lot is on kickspace convectors connected with flexys ,just the same problem hydroscopic material entraining oxygen into system and blocking at the point of entry.but I think it's all cost related and suspect a rubber hose must be cheaper than a piece of copper
Great video. I totally agree with you about rubber hoses in boilers. Doesn’t that also mean magcleans won’t collect it as it’s rubber too. Keep the videos coming
That’s right mate .. the stuff caught in the hoses is mostly non magnetic. Back with new videos soon!
Would never have a Viessmann in my own house, never rated them but do like the work they get me always play up . Funny though when you speak to other engineers about their experiences some like me love Worcester and Vaillant others love Baxi and Ideal and Intergas but yet to find a Ferrolli or Ariston lover for very good reason
Nice one PP......totally agree mate , all makes of boiler suffer the same problem with rubber hose syndrome.....
A top Vaillant engineer once told me if you put a gallon of white vinegar into the system having fitted a new boiler and flushed thoroughly you never get this problem with the hoses......ive never tried this so don"t know if it works...
Cheers mate
Cheers again mate .. I dunno about the vinegar though!! Ha
With you on the rubber hoses mate, quality video again aswell 👍
Thanks again coops
Good video Tom any idea why you brought the heat exchanger out to the garden? I take it you was going to flush it out with the hosepipe and also wash the heating surface at the same time? I’ve still got a few Wb1c boilers in service and touchwood they’ve been quite good also got an050 at home a 2016 model and that has been brilliant too. I think viessmann is a great brand
Across Europe they fill the systems with distilled demineralised water and the new 100 series still has rubber hoses and they don’t seem to have a problem
Yes mate I flushed it through but I used next doors tap as the dog wouldn’t let me in the back garden haha so didn’t film it
@Parkes Plumbing Yes I thought you would’ve flushed it while it’s out , did much crap come out? I had one caught me out years ago the hoses we’re not too bad but the rear brass elbow was almost blocked! My five-year-old 050 has been brilliant but should I replace the rear return or flow hoses by now?
Evening mate, just found your channel this week.
I've caught up with all the videos, really enjoying them and picking up some golden nuggets from each one.
Be good to know more about pricing of jobs/parts and software you use? Just after you saying you were thinking about other content you could do.
I work for a big company doing servicing and really enjoying day to day life from the self employed angle.
Thanks mate and keep up the good work.
Cheers craig .. it’s tough to discuss pricing as it’s regional but the software I use for invoicing and day to day running of my business is quickbooks
@@ParkesPlumbing Hi mate. Thanks. Yeah I understand that and it's personal too.
I'm just understanding a lot more now but don't know how that discussion is had and how you go about charging. Its easier for me cause customers have a yearly contract and parts are just ordered etc.
Appreciate the videos and genuinely enjoying your day to day. Cheers 🍻
Done my 1st hose change on a vitodens 100 last month..
Very straightforward I felt.
Funnily didn't need a plate clean as temperature was fine.
Can the plate be removed by itself (like most popular brands) without removing the aqua block?
Nice Vids Tom btw.👍🏾
Cheers Carl ... yes the plate can be removed just from its 2 screws
Funny bloke! keep up the great work ACE
Cheers Ryan!
Great video
Thanks hazel
Top vid as usual🧐🧐👌👌👍
Cheers dom
The top 2 10 mm nuts are very far back, what tool did you use to get the length to take them out?
They are deep but you can get them with a 10mm nut spinner. I use the one by wera
I believe them hoses are permeable and allow air ingress similar to non barrier pipe
It’s possible
Defo rubber hoses cause it use to get it in glow worm cxi changed loads had them that full that they have split and caused loads of damage
And old ecotecs ...
Hate rubber hoses in all boilers, same thing with the old vaillant primaries coming off MHE
They used to fill up to the brim!
Never had the issue with a demineralised system it is purely down to the calcium level of tap water also ph level is a massive factor system water should be around 9.6 for stainless steel heat exchangers & 8.5 for aluminium
I don’t entirely agree as I’ve seen systems filled with demineralised water still do it.
Same as In the vaillant, f@*king wank. Great vid mate always have a giggle at the extra clips(ace Ventura) too. Keep it up 👍🏻
Cheers Dan appreciate ya
Bloody hell could’ve squeezed the plate video in as well mate gotta change one today that would’ve been well handy😅😅😅 have a good day mate 💪🏽🤙🏽
Hah don’t want my vids 3 hours long!! Good luck with it
@@ParkesPlumbing nice one pal 🤙🏽
I've got a vitodens 050 about 4 years old water and heating not working properly plate heat exchanger is clean engineer vaxed loads of debris out of hoses but says main heat exchanger has had it needs replacing can that happen
No your heat exchanger can be cleaned out it’s a single pass. Get a Viessmann approved guy out
He was sent by viessmann office even his van was viessmann
That are Ventura part 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Alllrighty then
HELLO ACE!!!
Shame you can't upgrade hoses to some copper ones. Why do you like viessman boilers then? I don't see many tbh
I like the company and their ethos ... plus the other components are solid and great settings for any installation needs.
Dont underestimate yourself mate, straight forward job!! Yeh for a expert like yourself👍🏼
Aww shucks
What boiler would you buy, I’m in the process but need a heat only boiler with tank etc,
Viessmann 100 system with cylinder on 4 pipe
@@ParkesPlumbing would u say it’s better than Worcester and valliant ?
Yes mate
@@ParkesPlumbing Is their warranty comparable to Worcester?
@@normanboyes4983 up to 10 year warranty’s yeh
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I hate any rubber hoses on boilers.. it's like on the old Keston c30 boiler with the rubber flue hose inside the boiler.. without a doubt they would have a hole at the back of them
Hate those
How old are you and how long you been a plumber did it take long to train up
36 and was an apprentice at 16
Love a good rubber hose but not on a viessman
I bet you do
6.23 oh sh**.... all over the wera lol, 😊😁 nice vid. Thanks
Gutted haha
How much you charging for a repair like that mate?
2 hours plus parts
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Yesss wayne
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They don't 'create' it.. they do collect it and release it in chucks though and its bloody annoying... agree.. I have the scientific explanation of the hoses crap phenomenon if your interested! 😜
Please check out heak geeks channel for nerdy stuff ... stay here for the memes
@@ParkesPlumbing ha! My chan for dry boring. Here for the onsite knowledge and that face 😍
In theory the hoses do create magnetic iron oxide because they allow oxygen to be absorbed through them and electrolysis occurs.
@@kevincranfield5235 they are made to din standard so I don't think so. I mean they could contribute.. but the reason they collect is because the flow against the rubber creates a positive charge.. the iron particles collect here.. when they heat up and cool down they solidify together then build up and flake off.
The rust is not directly from the rad. Thats why (and tom will agree) the flakes are exactly thr same shape as the internal bore of the plastic pipe
That would make sense as the hydrogen atoms in the water are positively charged.
I like you too 😂😂😂
No spitting
My theory is......
After been a gas engineer for 15 years and an avid watcher of gold rush. 😂
That the internal surface of the hoses are rough/braided. and ends up working like a riffles in a sluice box. Effecting the flow of water spinning the fine particles of dirt until it sticks to the side of the hose. Once enough is on there it either breaks off and ends up else where in a flake or just continues to build up
No matter how much you flush a system you will never get rid of all of the dirt
And these hoses are expects at catching it
Agree!
Viessmann crap, get an Intergash in there!!,
Viessmann fo life!
@@ParkesPlumbing But everyone knows it’s a crap design, they blame everyone & everything for the crap design. Mate, they’re shite, get it on the grass!!
Nope. 2 items and it’s back up and running just fine. Can’t beat em mate.