How to Wire and Configure a PID Temperature Controller - Cerakote Oven
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- I cover how to wire and program a PID controller for temperature control. Using a PID controller (Proportional, Integral, Derivative) for temperature control is probably the best way to control an oven temperature when accuracy is important.
I am using this PID (Proportional, Integral, Derivative) controller to manage the temperatures I need in a cerakote oven I made from an old smoker I picked up for $25. Some examples of where a PID controlled oven or other device could be used are distilling, brewing, incubators, reef tanks, a hen house, lizard habitat a steel or knife tempering oven. There are many possibilities where a PID temperature controller can come in handy.
This controller was a fun build and I have already used it for Cerakoting. Here's a video on How to Cerakote at Home: • How to Cerakote at Hom...
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0:00 Introduction
0:40 Overview of Twidec MV-100 PID Controller
2:05 Connection
3:02 Wiring the Controller
3:43 Wiring the Relay
5:21 Wiring in the Power Source
6:13 Wiring in the Thermocouple
6:32 Wiring Overview
7:30 Configuring the PID Controller
8:56 Testing the PID Temperature Controller
10:35 Checking PID Programming
11:38 Installing in Project Box
13:22 Whoops, Thermocouple on wrong side
13:54 Final Test
14:12 The End
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My guy you are a shop saver im building a furnace for knife making and i didnt want to burn down my garage. Im subscribing to you channel because of this thank you so much
Your welcome, Feel free to check out other videos on my channel for shop ideas!
@@ExtremeDIYGuythank you very much i was binge watching some at work today.
now if i can a ceramic tube that isnt gonna cost me my first born maybe i could build my own electric knife forge.
@jessefrazier9263 check out tryell knifeworks video on a pid controlled forge. I am working on it now and its awesome!
Tanks, this makes wiring and controlling simple and understandable with this device.
Glad it was helpful!
Superb VIdeo. This worked with Omega CN16D3-SR-2U-CM-AC Temperature controller. Thank you! Wish you all the best!
Thanks, you too!
This gave me a better understanding of PID. I just need to apply it to a PLC. Thanks.
Welcome!
I'm about to make a pizza oven and wanted a quick overview of that type of controller. Thank you. Great video!
Your welcome Alex!
holy shit this is the most direct and easy to understand vid on this topic thanks a lot ! im trying to put a controller to my ac that way it can regulate temp for my mushroom grow room !
Extremely clear and really helpful!. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
GD genius. bought through affiliate, thanks a ton for this.
Great to hear!
Great video! This is what I’m going to do on my 1950s fridge smoker!! Thanks
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Wow thank you so much i want it to do it my self but didn't know how. Now i know❤
You’re welcome
Spot on vid , thanks so much. I understand what I need to do now lol
Your welcome, thanks for watching!
Thank you for your video, very clear and it helped me out. I wish the manufacturer would send like a little USB with this video along with the PID contoller! 😁
You're welcome! Glad I could help!
I forgot to ask you, did all the wires come with the package or did you buy them separately
Thanks
Thanks your video i am learn more sir.
Your welcome!
Excelente. Gracias!
Your welcome!
cool vid. Question if you have a solid state relay and its 240v...would you not need two or 1 for each hot line? I would think if you only have one, you have a constant hot at the end-point?
Hi, perfect! Is there a way to program a step increase over time??
Very nice video 👍 good
Thank you very much!
Bravo et merci pour ton travail . STP Possible avec ce REX C100 , de faire des paliers d'arrêt de chauffe avant d'atteindre des hautes temperatures ? , Merci de tes réponses
Awesome.. thanks
Your welcome!
Thank you, sir!
Your welcome!
Hi I’m setting up a cartridge heater to work on a pid. I’m happy following the diagram but have two questions.
What about grounding?
There are no connections that are for a ground wire.
Also what should one use for the power cable part that actually plugs into the wall. Can you just cut off any old power cable and use that? 😂
Please help 😀
Great video! I’m researching to install a PID on my espresso machine. Your video gives great insight into the wiring and a general overview of how a PID works. I’ve seen most PID systems just turn the heating element on and off like your light bulb, is there a way to instead have the PID adjust the power that goes into the heating element(like what a dimmer switch does) in order to be more precise with the temperature? I’m asking because in the case of an espresso machine, the temperature the PID would be reading is of the boiler not the actual water temperature.
I don't think a standard on/off PID controller would do that. There may be one out there that can vary the output voltage. I don't know of any of the top of my head though.
Depends on the PID unit. Some have an autotune feature which figures out how your herer output will affect the temperature and change the off on cycles appropriately
Awesome
Thanks mate!!
Your welcome thanks for watching!
Great video, it answered all of my basic questions.
How is it holding up? I just ordered one to control my glass annealing oven (kiln) I’m slightly worried that the relay is going to fry it only draws 10 amps but you never know.
I am also going to shoot a video explaining how I intend to use it/install it because it’s a retrofit on a 20 year old kiln, they want $500 to retro fit it for what amounts to a $30 part and a few minutes of wiring
It's holding up pretty good, thanks!
had me on the edge of my seat with all those live connections hanging around
I like to keep things interesting! Seriously though, I was extremely careful doing this!
great video. quick question. what is the power rating for this set up. does it matter how much power the heating element is drawing. obviously it needs to be 120v but any amp ratings to worry about ?
Just checke, the rated amperage on the solid state relay is 25 Amps
Hello, is it possible to link this pid controller to a computer in order to show the temperature graph?
I don't think there is.
Thank u I’ve been trying to figure out how to set mine.but it’s on an electric smelter still not to sure on what my settings should be on yet but a better idea!!!
No problem 👍!!
Thanks!
Welcome!
Thank you
You're welcome
Jose's question: I seen where several people mount these units in a box (palistic) and what would you think about mounting a cooling fan with vent holes to help keep the relay heat sink cool ... if so would you wire it with the main power supply so it stays on when in use. I also would like to use this to control two different different units one being an oven for powder coating and the other to control the temp of my lead pot for casting lead bullets ... I would probably use a plug as to change the thermocouple. Also I assume you have the temperature adjustment set to the maximum to what ever you are controlling when using this controller. Your video is the best I have found to explain how these controllers work and the simplicity of wiring them ... good teacher thanks for you input!
I think the cooling fan is a good idea for an enclosure. Same with the plug so you can change thermocouples!
Good simple video. I can’t imagine your Ceracote oven uses a 110v heating element? How would you wire it for 220v, since neutral would be the second leg. Use ground? Thanks for the video.
Actually it does use a 110 heating element. To drive a 220 connection I would add a second relay for the 2nd hot leg. A more elegant solution might be a dpst relay that can handle two load seperate circuits
Can you use the PID as a controllerto shut a propane heater on and off ? The light bulb would be the heater turning on and off?
Thank you my good sir I'm building my own burnout oven figured it would be cheaper can you program a sequence on that thing
I don't think you can, it's a one and done as far as setting the temp.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
@@ExtremeDIYGuy actually I just bought an old heat treat oven. That does not have a PID.... I have no clue what I'm doing. Would you be available to answer some questions??
Great video! Taught me a lot. I'm currently building a powder coating oven. This will require multiple heating elements, which would require multiple pin relays I'm guessing? Any advice on what I'd be looking for? And don't worry, I have an electrician friend, but he talks in code I think and, not really available all the time. I kind of want to understand as much of this as I can on my own...
I would use the first relay to drive multiple relays downstream they should be wired in parallel. I'm guessing you will probably need a separate circuit for each heater but it really depends on the element and how much it will draw. Your Electrician friend should be able to help with that. Best of luck!
Thank you sir. I had my thermocouple wired backwards. I also have a MV100 but my output only comes on when I go into settings and change it to cooling. It doesn’t shut off when it reaches temperature though. Any suggestions? Great video.
I haven't used it for cooling, not sure how that would work. I thought it was to control heating only, Is that the case?
@@ExtremeDIYGuy Yeah I’m not sure how cooling is suppose to work. It says (reverse action) heating and (forward action) cooling. I can get the element to heat up when it’s set on cooling but not when it’s set on heating. Which would be fine but it just keeps heating up and won’t shut off. I’m gonna wire it to a light bulb like you did and see if I can get that to work.
So I have a twidec mc 700 I’d like to wire in two alarms one when the temp hits it’s peak temp and one with a magnetic switch can please explain how to wire a settings
well explained.
is there something special i have to set on my PID controller like cycle times or hysteresis, when using zero crossing SSR's to switch a heater? thanks
I don't think the PID controller cares, the Zero crossing SSR will switch once the load v hits zero (if I remember that right).
@@ExtremeDIYGuy just thought i have to care about too fast switching times which the SSR cant handle
I’d like to use a PID to control the speed of a fan in a outdoor wood boiler. Right now the AC 110v fan is either on or off based on water temperature. I want to put a PID between the thermostat and fan so that I can sense the flue temperature and slow the fan down when the flue temperature rises above a certain point. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I think you will need a PID controller with an analog output. But beyond that I'm not sure how you would regulate a 110 or 220 device. I would need to do some research if I needed to get that done for one of my projects.
I have a very similar setup on my powder coating oven. I’ve double checked everything on my wiring and my pod is not coming on. I have used the oven in the past but I’m not sure where to check on what may have went bad.
I would double check the wiring, There should be a wiring diagram on the side of the PID. This affiliate link has a diagram towards the bottom of the description for the PID I used. Power across pins 9 and 10 should if anything, power up the PID (at least on the one I used).
Hello Jose - Do you have a part number or source of supply for the spring loaded tip thermocouple you used in your video?
Here's links to the items I used if that helps Twidec MV-100, amzn.to/42mNWgQ
Thermocouple, amzn.to/3FwxnFm
About to do this to an offset smoker with an electric oven heating element.
Hope it works out.
Sr. You connected the wires on a different way shows at the diagram. Will it work if I do like the manual? Why u made it different?
I followed the diagram correctly and it works for me. Can you be more specific?
Hi
I’m not great at electrical stuff but I’m trying to get a cartridge heater setup wired to one of these and I have two (possibly silly) questions.
Why is there no ground connection made on that whole circuit?
And can you just use any old power cable cut of and connected to the circuit or does it have to be a specific kind?
Please help!
Cheers
The relay and PID do not call for a ground. For safety, I passed on one to the oven from the mains connector. I would stick with wire rated for the expected amperage for the heaters.
What type T/C are you using to the controller? Type K, J, T thermocouple??? Great video :) :)
I saw the tag on the T/C, it's a Type K.
You beat me to it! It is a type K
Great video and I could easily follow it. One problem… my PID doesn’t turn on. I have wired it as you’ve said but have not connected the load (heating band) to the circuit. Is that necessary for it to turn on? Like I have all of the other connections except that one which is not turning on.
It should turn on of you have all the wiring correct. The load should be the SSR but that should not be necessary for the unit to turn on.
@@ExtremeDIYGuy MADE IN CHINA most likely a dud.
The mypin unit I got was DOA, picked up the rex C100 as a temp replacement and works ok. All you need for it to turn on is positive and negative to the PID. Nothing else. Send for a replacement and verify the terminal polarity is correct before powering the unit
hy joe i have a question about the termocoupler ! on amazon i see the same sets from different makes but all basicaly the saem ! now i want to ue it up to 1200 C celsius , do i need anothwer thermo coupler ?
I thin kyou can use a single thermocouple but would have to be rated to that temperature.
Howdy,
Picked one of these up as a backup for my BBQ Guru controller for doing my cooks. Not too impressed. I’ve setup many industrial loops with Allen Bradley PLC’s in my day maintaining +-2 degree tolerance’s. Even after performing AT at different stages with this thing, it always sits well below SP (10-20 degrees). In my experience, this is telling the P/gain is not adequate to drive the process. The instructions are horrible at best. Were you able to dial the controller in with any satisfactory performance?
I seems to keep my cerakote oven precisely at 300 degrees f. I haven't had to touch it after the initial setup.
Dear sir, i appreciate your efforts..
Sir, I am facing some problem while doing it. I have connected same connection with the heater wire as I am turning on the pid automatically the heater wire will turn on and will blast.. please help sir ...also firstly I thought it can be due to high Set value but it was lower i don't know what to do sir please help
I'm not sure what to tell you other than disconnect all the wired and start from over from scratch. It sounds like there's a bad connection somewhere.
Hi, I have a question, how can an alarm be installed in that controller?
Terminals 1 and 2 have a NO output. Not sure if there is voltage present there or not. As an alternative, you could tap the control output with a buzzer or light (in parallel).
Hi! I hope you are good, I have a question is the wiring on 220V remains same?
I swear I will do one eventually. Time is my enemy.
Could you give a run down of your smoker please. That would be a great video
That might be a future video
So i built a smoker cerakote oven with a k type tc and inkbird pid box, i also insulated the inside of the smoker. The tc is in the middle back of the smoker. The problem im having is the temp goes all the way to 300 when i have it set to 250 and drops to 240 before it starts to go up. Im not sure what im doing wrong, any help is appreciated!
Make sure the sensor is compatible with the pid box or it may be bad, that's the only thing I can think of off hand.
I have same exact unit, followed exact example. Can't get to switch on and off. Bad controller? Brand new too
Its possible it could be faulty
@@ExtremeDIYGuy I bought another one, and it worked. That was faulty.
Thanks
Hello, sir. I would like ask what type of cable is needed in this module? It's for my Undergraduate Final Year project.
Also what's the size of the y-schoen?
I used 12 Gauge power wiring.
I noticed the lights (load) was blinking on/off while your ambient temperature was below your setpoint. Why does this occur rather than remain on constant until the two temperatures are equal?
Because that's the way the PID works based on feedback it changes. Hope this helps.
The PID is designed not to over shoot the temp. So as it gets closer to the set point it tries to slow down the temp rise by cutting down the power output. It does this using pulses.
So this type of PID controler wouldn't work for controlling a dehumidifier/AC compressor in a wood kiln?
@@MicahFunk need delay mode thermostat. Might have a cooling output with this feature.
@@ExtremeDIYGuy Okay, but why continue sending power after the temperature stabilizes at the setpoint?
Consider the case where the setpoint = ambient!
I forgot to ask you, did all the wires come with the package or did you buy them separately
I bought them seperately.
Brand new at this! Can you link to the actual wires you used?@@ExtremeDIYGuy
Would this work on an analog electric smoker? The ones that have the dial to set the temp? I just got a 30” smoker to use as a powder coating oven but it’s hard set it to the correct temp with the dial.
It would, but you would have to disconnect the heating element from thebuilt in controller and connect it to the new controller
@@ExtremeDIYGuy Did you end up adding this on your analog smoker? If so, what was your best method to connect the element to the controller? I thought perhaps small lugs on the ends? Also, what is the preferred way to mount this, inside a metal box? Im not very proficient on this, just looking to setup a small hobby powercoating oven and the size of these smokers fit the bill.
@@misfitkulture4123 I did, I added a female plig to the output of the relay, The I also added a male plug (both heavy duty 20a) to the heating element of the smoker. I think the best enclosure for this would be a metal box
I need the wiring circuit of voltage control type having YIWEL FSD writing at front
Sorry, I can't help you with that.
What about some fuse protection? Wire size is current "fuse" . Vendor should mention it.
Good point, a 20 amp fuse would do the trick.
Can this be used to heat something the cool ?
Depending on the setting of the PID controller, yes
Know this is odd. However, can these PID controllers be used not as a controller but just as a digital display of my kiln temperature? Using thermocouple type K?
Good question, I dont see why not. Should work fine.
Thanks-Have my thermocouple connected to correct terminals, turned it on, but not getting an actual temp report… PV sits at 17 and SV cycles between STOP and A..0
I installed a Twidec/ MV100-B10 Digital Display PID Temperature Controllers Thermostat Regulator on a smoker so I could cure and stabilize wood. I set the temp at 200 degrees. It heats up to about 219 and drops down to 192. How can I shorten that range?
Mine worked correctly out of the box, you might want to contact the manufacturer and see what they say.
turn it on and run it until it gets to 200 deg. then put it in auto-tune mode. that usually tunes it to a tighter temp window. you will probably have some overshoot in the beginning but a better temp window in the long run.
A DC power supply for the SSR is not needed?
Nope
Thanl you very much. Very clear explanation. You should be teacher.
I have question. Why many people are ordering PID from China? Are they cheaper or better
Your guess is as good as mine but if I had to say, probably because they are cheaper from Chine
I want to use 2 lightbulbs as my heat source. Can I put connect a second lightbulb right along side the first one or do I have to use different ports? Sorry I don’t know shit about wiring
You can wire the lightbulbs in parallel and should be fine.
I notice that the controller is labeled degrees Celcius, but there's no way the heat between fingers is 80C. Is there something you did to switch to Fahrenheit?
I'm pretty sure mine came from the factory set to Fahrenheit
Does anyone know the settings to get the twidec mc 700 up to heat faster and to my set temperature trying to get up to 400 degrees stuck at 356 degrees trying to heat two heating elements total 1800 watts will it do this please help driving me crazy
Sorry, I don't have any details on that controller.
looks like this kit not available on amazon for 3 months.. anyone know of an alternative
Just checked and it's available same link that's in the description amzn.to/3stC2iQ
I missed how to set the limits. I can set the target temperature but the PID allows for wide swings above and below the target
Dinner people say wrap your oven in ceramic wool. Basically insulate.
did you use a power supply to power the pid
No, straight A/C 110-120v
hi my mv 104 overshoot the set temp
how do I fix please? it goes past 182f
The only thing I can think is that the probe is defective or not wired in correctly.
Please help trying to use on heat press can’t get the temperature up to 400. Degrees it climes but takes forever can u help
Without understanding your complete setup I really can't help. The first thing I would look at is the heating element, is it large enough?
Yes got the info from the manufacturer 1800 watts can a ssr 40 da handle this
What gauge wire are you using?
12 Gauge
Hai sir i want to increase my tempeture in 250 above how set pls help
I'm not sure I understand, I'm pretty sure I covered that in the video.
Terminals 1-10 are absolutely backwards on mine
As long as they are properly labeled and you can identify them, you should be fine