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Great video! I really appreciate wheeled combat vehicles like the Cascavel. It's a very versatile asset, but unfortunately obsolete for its purpose on the modern battlefield. Maybe the modernization programme will give it a deserved upgrade. Cheers!
The EE-9 Cascavel is typicly that type of vehicles which noone talks about while they are playing an important role in the combat zones, and beside I'm a big fan of Leo2s, Marder1A3s, PUMAs, Centauros and Leclercs I'm equally big fan of this wheely headache, just like the AML-90. Peak Brasilian design I would say, and altough it isn't a state of art, cutting edge technology masterpiece weapon system like the Centauros, they get the job DONE. The real catch of this vehicle is its simplicity. A buffed and redesigned M8 on a truck base, and it’s working fairly good. Another nice catch is the fact the guys at the Engesa used the same base for an APC as well, the EE-11 Urutu, (actually will we see a video about the small APC bro as well?). Thus they are cheap, so if you are a small country with the budget equal with my lunch money, you still able to set up a decent army from these. However I have my concerns about it, which would be the fact these don't have kinetic energy shells, like APDS or APFSDS I'm assuming because the gun is too small to use such shells effectively. Anyhow, this little Brasilian "Rooikat" made its way into my heart, and I'm really glad to see it covered on you channel Dear Detective. Thank you very much for the video.
A little known fact about the EE-9's later development is that ENGESA developed an APFSDS round for the Low Pressure 90mm. Tested around 1990-95 they found that it could punch a hole in some 700mm of rolled homogenous steel at 1500m. It required a new muzle brake and some tweeks to the recoil sistem. Those tweeks were made standart later, BTW. It failed because it was already outclassed by more modern vehicules, given the age and lack of advanced upgrades, plus ENGESA going bankrupt because of Saddan Hussein's regime defaulting on its payments, plus REALLY BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS. And a MBT, that never was...
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 oh well it is sad to hear, but yeah it happens if you try to develop a new MBT without the support of the Government, like the Osorio.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 uhm no, it was designed in 1984, it only managed to penetrate 2 plates of 25 mm at a range of like 200 m. Its basicaly the same dimensions as a later Cockerill APFSDS round for the Cockerill guns, it only did about 100 mm at 60 degrees for a single plate as per their Engesa's brochure on the ammunition. 700 mm is more akin to 120 mm rounds... The muzzle brake was pretty much a pepperpot, nobody seems to have any interest in the project as it basically dissapears after they presented it to the Iraqis in July 1985. testing from 1990 to 1995 would be impossible as Engesa effectively entered bankruptcy in 1990 and closed their doors in 1993 and pretty much was left to finding contracts with the stuff they had.
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i'm so glad we're finally replacing the cascavel. Brazil has the terrible, terrible, habit of using and modernizing old equipment until it becomes to expensive to modernize then it's pointless. they use the poor things until they can't roll around, fly, float etc anymore. finally some efforts are being made towards modern equipments and not buying used ones then refurbishing and using it until it falls apart. We recently had an accident with an F-5, the plane just didn't function properly, luckily the pilot was ok (we're also finally retiring those too). too many decades with poor planing and investment in defence
Ey atleast they get modernized. The stuff here in Mexico almost never gets modernized. Oh and no new equipment is being brought in. The main APC of the Mexican army is the AMX13 VCI. And the closest thing to tanks we have are ERC90 Lynx.
E uma pena que a nossa amada Engesa tenha falido, a falecia deste maravilhosa empresa foi uma grande perda para nosso pais, se ela ainda estivesse na ativa talvez teríamos muitos veículos blindados extremamente poderosos, Viva Brasil ❤🇧🇷
Usa traductora de Google please. El engesa cascabel es uno de los vehículos militares más importantes en LATAM .en Colombia se convirtio en su MBT principal participó en la retoma del palacio de justicia y en la guerra civil de Colombia contra las guerrillas de las FARC y el ElN con relativo éxito hoy día obsoleto .aparte de Colombia y Brasil lo usan Paraguay .bolivia y Venezuela entre otros . actualmente se plantea sustituirlo por un MBT más moderno y a orugas en el ejército colombiano.
Before the days of modern Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) a 90mm HEAT round could take out most main battle tanks. This gave platforms like the EE9 an ability to punch far above their weight class.
@eliassolomou980 yes ? Well , of what I saw till now ,is only updates about the role of the vehicle. Ganging the turret , with softer weapons. Not about it's shells ,for stronger protection.
@@andrigeogiou8420 we've got 126 in number. They've relatively well maintained. They don't need much of an upgrade but adding south African hi tech super hyper velocity ammunition near double the penetration and over all performance.
the boomerang suspension was not really an invention by Engesa, the 1927 ScammellPioneer had the same system, also the dutch pre-war Trado suspension was practically identical.
it doesnt resemble m-8, its basically a modernised m-8, if luck was enough to strike 2 times, you could even seen in production to this day a modernised m-3 tank
The90 mm was probably larger gun than it should have been A 50mm or 75mm would have taken up much less room,weighed less and enabled it to carry much more ammo,and take on other vehicles in it's class.Also, if your going to go up to the next caliber category, it would have made it more class competitive to go up to the 105mm class, or even the 120mm. MBTs are more armour protected to be vulnerable to a 90mm projectile. To take on MBTs onan equal footing, they would have needed 105 or120 mm gun, and much more armour themselves. 90mm is a case of too big, but not big enough. 😮
Los cascabel tiene que fabricarlos nuevos estructuras que resistan misiles y minas y traigan miras termicas y llantas grafeno y bl8ndajes grafeno y nuevas torretas
You relly dont expect that a 50+ years old design could keep up to modern battlefields anyways... But it could be used as fire support, mobile artilery, hell, they are sending WEASELS to figth there...
Everything the Russians and Ukrainians throw at the battlefield is being overmatched by suicide drones and anti tank missile systems. The war has changed, you cannot put an old vehicle in a modern conflict and expect results based in experiences from the past. Yet, this EE-9 still a very reliable asset for low density and asymmetric conflicts.
It's obvious that you haven't served in the military. Different weapons are designed for different landscapes and climates. It's not designed for the terrain nor climate of Ukraine. Rasputitsa makes even heavy tanks get stuck. The Cascavel is made mainly for dry terrain, fast moving conflict, on flat land, and even in places like hills or mountains with narrow roads. The Cascavel ee 9 can go faster up any road, field, narrow dirt track than any modern tank. Move and fire at night. It's cannon is still effective from 2 km with a direct hit against a target of 25 cm thick.
A good little wheeled armored vehicle for a country with an emerging arms industry at the time. Too bad the company went bankrupt; it would surely have built other good equipment. I had never heard of this machine which nevertheless seems quite remarkable. Thank you for this discovery.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv but it had too much reliance on foreign parts from many different countries, making logistics more difficult than that of an M1 Abrams.
The development of the EET1 Osorio main battle tank bankrupted Engesa because they could not secure any foreign orders, and their own government went with a cheaper alternative. It's a shame too, because the Osorio was an excellent tank perfectly suited for the market that wanted better than Soviet quality, but couldn't afford the Abrams/Leopard 2/Challenger price tag.
It was an informative and wonderful introduction video shared by an excellent ( weapon detective) channel .the video clearly explained all characteristics of EE-9 Cascavel ( Rattlesnake) Armored vehicle ,also video sufficiently labeled to its several upgrades designed due to several countries requiring....and its historical backgrounds. Thank you for your respectful ( weapon detective) channel for sharing
Great video. They really went the opposite direction as Russian design. The russians being as small as possible and this thing looks like a tipping hazard. Haha. Amazing vehicles.
It is interesting that the EE9 wishbone suspension is very similar to the suspension designed for the Caterpillar road graders of the same time frame. I wonder if this is a case of copying, or of different designers coming up with the same solution to similar operational requirements.
13:35 This is wrong. Iraq refurbished its own vehicles for the war effort. It was a massive campaign that included D30 canons, T72s, T55s, MTLBs, and many more previously damaged Hummers and MRAPs. The coalition did however help maintain the F16s and M1A1s
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Great video! I really appreciate wheeled combat vehicles like the Cascavel. It's a very versatile asset, but unfortunately obsolete for its purpose on the modern battlefield. Maybe the modernization programme will give it a deserved upgrade. Cheers!
Only a few 6x6 vehicles saw so much action like the Cascavel.
Excellent video. The EE-9 is a true beauty
The EE-9 Cascavel is typicly that type of vehicles which noone talks about while they are playing an important role in the combat zones, and beside I'm a big fan of Leo2s, Marder1A3s, PUMAs, Centauros and Leclercs I'm equally big fan of this wheely headache, just like the AML-90. Peak Brasilian design I would say, and altough it isn't a state of art, cutting edge technology masterpiece weapon system like the Centauros, they get the job DONE. The real catch of this vehicle is its simplicity. A buffed and redesigned M8 on a truck base, and it’s working fairly good. Another nice catch is the fact the guys at the Engesa used the same base for an APC as well, the EE-11 Urutu, (actually will we see a video about the small APC bro as well?). Thus they are cheap, so if you are a small country with the budget equal with my lunch money, you still able to set up a decent army from these. However I have my concerns about it, which would be the fact these don't have kinetic energy shells, like APDS or APFSDS I'm assuming because the gun is too small to use such shells effectively. Anyhow, this little Brasilian "Rooikat" made its way into my heart, and I'm really glad to see it covered on you channel Dear Detective. Thank you very much for the video.
A little known fact about the EE-9's later development is that ENGESA developed an APFSDS round for the Low Pressure 90mm.
Tested around 1990-95 they found that it could punch a hole in some 700mm of rolled homogenous steel at 1500m.
It required a new muzle brake and some tweeks to the recoil sistem. Those tweeks were made standart later, BTW.
It failed because it was already outclassed by more modern vehicules, given the age and lack of advanced upgrades, plus ENGESA going bankrupt because of Saddan Hussein's regime defaulting on its payments, plus REALLY BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS.
And a MBT, that never was...
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 oh well it is sad to hear, but yeah it happens if you try to develop a new MBT without the support of the Government, like the Osorio.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 uhm no, it was designed in 1984, it only managed to penetrate 2 plates of 25 mm at a range of like 200 m. Its basicaly the same dimensions as a later Cockerill APFSDS round for the Cockerill guns, it only did about 100 mm at 60 degrees for a single plate as per their Engesa's brochure on the ammunition. 700 mm is more akin to 120 mm rounds...
The muzzle brake was pretty much a pepperpot, nobody seems to have any interest in the project as it basically dissapears after they presented it to the Iraqis in July 1985. testing from 1990 to 1995 would be impossible as Engesa effectively entered bankruptcy in 1990 and closed their doors in 1993 and pretty much was left to finding contracts with the stuff they had.
@@cyberarchitect9280 you must have a lot of budget for lunch.
😂😂😂 I bet bet its at least x50 higher than mine by
@@dkebun7577 I live in Hungary so I would highly doubt that 😅😅
Congratulações um ótimo vídeo infelizmente anos de descaso e falta de investimentos o Brasil perdeu seu lugar como fornecedor de veículos militares
Muito Obrigado
i'm so glad we're finally replacing the cascavel. Brazil has the terrible, terrible, habit of using and modernizing old equipment until it becomes to expensive to modernize then it's pointless. they use the poor things until they can't roll around, fly, float etc anymore. finally some efforts are being made towards modern equipments and not buying used ones then refurbishing and using it until it falls apart. We recently had an accident with an F-5, the plane just didn't function properly, luckily the pilot was ok (we're also finally retiring those too).
too many decades with poor planing and investment in defence
Ey atleast they get modernized. The stuff here in Mexico almost never gets modernized. Oh and no new equipment is being brought in. The main APC of the Mexican army is the AMX13 VCI. And the closest thing to tanks we have are ERC90 Lynx.
Love this video iam Brazilian !!! Awesome Channel
Looks just like a 6 wheeled Commando/M1117, I love it
E uma pena que a nossa amada Engesa tenha falido, a falecia deste maravilhosa empresa foi uma grande perda para nosso pais, se ela ainda estivesse na ativa talvez teríamos muitos veículos blindados extremamente poderosos, Viva Brasil ❤🇧🇷
another great vid
Very good details in the video
Nice content. I'd like to see you telling about the Engesa's MBT Osorio project
Amazing 🎉🎉🎉
Usa traductora de Google please. El engesa cascabel es uno de los vehículos militares más importantes en LATAM .en Colombia se convirtio en su MBT principal participó en la retoma del palacio de justicia y en la guerra civil de Colombia contra las guerrillas de las FARC y el ElN con relativo éxito hoy día obsoleto .aparte de Colombia y Brasil lo usan Paraguay .bolivia y Venezuela entre otros . actualmente se plantea sustituirlo por un MBT más moderno y a orugas en el ejército colombiano.
Before the days of modern Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) a 90mm HEAT round could take out most main battle tanks. This gave platforms like the EE9 an ability to punch far above their weight class.
Wow !
We' ve got an amount of 124 of those .
Are there any updates programmes ?
You mean 126
@eliassolomou980
yes ?
Well , of what I saw till now ,is only updates about the role of the vehicle.
Ganging the turret , with softer weapons.
Not about it's shells ,for stronger protection.
@@andrigeogiou8420 we've got 126 in number. They've relatively well maintained. They don't need much of an upgrade but adding south African hi tech super hyper velocity ammunition near double the penetration and over all performance.
the boomerang suspension was not really an invention by Engesa, the 1927 ScammellPioneer had the same system, also the dutch pre-war Trado suspension was practically identical.
BRAZIL MENTIONED
good
Does this also works well with anti insurgency?
it doesnt resemble m-8, its basically a modernised m-8, if luck was enough to strike 2 times, you could even seen in production to this day a modernised m-3 tank
Foda!
12:55 what is that?
The90 mm was probably larger gun than it should have been A 50mm or 75mm would have taken up much less room,weighed less and enabled it to carry much more ammo,and take on other vehicles in it's class.Also, if your going to go up to the next caliber category, it would have made it more class competitive to go up to the 105mm class, or even the 120mm. MBTs are more armour protected to be vulnerable to a 90mm projectile. To take on MBTs onan equal footing, they would have needed 105 or120 mm gun, and much more armour themselves. 90mm is a case of too big, but not big enough. 😮
Its a recon vehicle not a MBT
the main thing was explosive charge not anti-armor tanks were not the man target but pillboxes
Los cascabel tiene que fabricarlos nuevos estructuras que resistan misiles y minas y traigan miras termicas y llantas grafeno y bl8ndajes grafeno y nuevas torretas
Please donate some to Timor Leste, belize and Guyana
I a full on war like in Ukraine, this Rattlesnake would would be woefully overmatched just like the French light tanks that were sent to Ukraine.
You relly dont expect that a 50+ years old design could keep up to modern battlefields anyways...
But it could be used as fire support, mobile artilery, hell, they are sending WEASELS to figth there...
Everything the Russians and Ukrainians throw at the battlefield is being overmatched by suicide drones and anti tank missile systems. The war has changed, you cannot put an old vehicle in a modern conflict and expect results based in experiences from the past.
Yet, this EE-9 still a very reliable asset for low density and asymmetric conflicts.
it was..... the 1970s. and it went to war in the XX century. now it's just cute, that's why we're changing it
because its not a war where you need reconaissance vehicles and even MBT are being destroyed
It's obvious that you haven't served in the military. Different weapons are designed for different landscapes and climates. It's not designed for the terrain nor climate of Ukraine. Rasputitsa makes even heavy tanks get stuck. The Cascavel is made mainly for dry terrain, fast moving conflict, on flat land, and even in places like hills or mountains with narrow roads. The Cascavel ee 9 can go faster up any road, field, narrow dirt track than any modern tank. Move and fire at night. It's cannon is still effective from 2 km with a direct hit against a target of 25 cm thick.
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Looks like an M-8 on steroïds.
A base dele e do M-8 podemos dizer que é um filho mais novo do M-8
A good little wheeled armored vehicle for a country with an emerging arms industry at the time.
Too bad the company went bankrupt; it would surely have built other good equipment.
I had never heard of this machine which nevertheless seems quite remarkable.
Thank you for this discovery.
They did in fact build other good military vehicles, including a prototype MBT. Too bad it went bankrupt too soon.
The Osório MBT was considered superior to the M1 Abrams by Saudi Arabia.
@@GunsNGames1... The Osório MBT was considered superior to the M1 Abrams by Saudi Arabia.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv but it had too much reliance on foreign parts from many different countries, making logistics more difficult than that of an M1 Abrams.
The development of the EET1 Osorio main battle tank bankrupted Engesa because they could not secure any foreign orders, and their own government went with a cheaper alternative.
It's a shame too, because the Osorio was an excellent tank perfectly suited for the market that wanted better than Soviet quality, but couldn't afford the Abrams/Leopard 2/Challenger price tag.
It was an informative and wonderful introduction video shared by an excellent ( weapon detective) channel .the video clearly explained all characteristics of EE-9 Cascavel ( Rattlesnake) Armored vehicle ,also video sufficiently labeled to its several upgrades designed due to several countries requiring....and its historical backgrounds. Thank you for your respectful ( weapon detective) channel for sharing
Great video. They really went the opposite direction as Russian design. The russians being as small as possible and this thing looks like a tipping hazard. Haha. Amazing vehicles.
amazing video! good job again. I wish your channel success, thank you from Brazil
greatvideo man
Reallu interesting video, especially for European watchers
Great video, thanks a lot for your efort in showing us ununsual equipament.
Thanks for the video! 👍🏻
Regardless the instrumest and weapons an initial design have a nice platform with significant innovations will eventually be a success.
👍👍👍
I'm Brazilian and I really liked that you chose to talk about the Armored EE-9 Cascavel on your RUclips channel.
Excelent vídeo!
It is interesting that the EE9 wishbone suspension is very similar to the suspension designed for the Caterpillar road graders of the same time frame. I wonder if this is a case of copying, or of different designers coming up with the same solution to similar operational requirements.
It was called "boomerang" suspension, developed by ENGESA. So they said.
I doubt it much of a MRAP during a IED
Esses brinquedos brasileiros derrotaramtanques pesados soviético na guerra do Egito!
13:35 This is wrong. Iraq refurbished its own vehicles for the war effort. It was a massive campaign that included D30 canons, T72s, T55s, MTLBs, and many more previously damaged Hummers and MRAPs. The coalition did however help maintain the F16s and M1A1s
In the Gulf War. Who was the idiot who thought it would be a good idea to bury a vehicle that was made to have heavy firepower and high mobility?!
Era os melhores Tanks e Blindado do Brasil antigamente até o Osório ok.
Para quem não sabe e no video falta essa informação esse pequeno blindado já possue a munição flecha de 90mm fabricada no Brasil que perfura até 50cm de aço destruindo assim qualquer blindado moderno..😏👍
So se for o lado do tanque
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