Multiple Charge Controllers One Battery Bank: MPPT and PWM

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  • @cleversolarpower
    @cleversolarpower  Год назад +4

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  • @sempertard
    @sempertard 9 месяцев назад +6

    Nick, you have single handedly hit upon nearly every solar question I have ever had, including all of these "what if" scenarios. I may never connect multiple charge controllers to one battery bank. I may never combine the A/C outputs of two or more inverters capable of doing so, but then again, I might. But what is just as important, is gaining the insight into the characteristics of these components. That comfortable feeling of being in the ballpark of knowing what to expect is priceless. These videos are pure gold. I snagged your book off of AMZ.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  9 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your comment. I do appreciate it as it keeps me making more content like this. 🙏

    • @klm724
      @klm724 15 дней назад

      I agree! I wish I had found this channel sooner - the information is concise, spot on, and covers many diverse situations and setups all at once, and in 1/4 to 1/2 the time of most other rambling videos on the topic. Wow!

  • @The_Resistance_1961
    @The_Resistance_1961 Год назад +11

    An excellent video which answered pretty much all my questions, and gave me some info I didn't know. I'm subbed.

  • @GlobalSolarEnergyPakistan
    @GlobalSolarEnergyPakistan 7 месяцев назад +2

    Good demonstration with proof of calculations.❤

  • @Mikeb8134
    @Mikeb8134 5 дней назад +1

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  • @mapbike
    @mapbike 7 месяцев назад

    Just ordered your book so looking forward to the shared knowledge you give in this book, this will help me get my off grid cabin setup and maybe I can help some friends also.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for your support! Send me an email if you have questions.

    • @mapbike
      @mapbike 7 месяцев назад

      @@cleversolarpower Thank you very much.

  • @808pathfinder
    @808pathfinder 9 месяцев назад

    This subject can be tricky but you dumb it down nicely so I can understand more about these systems, ty👍

  • @eddiepires3998
    @eddiepires3998 Год назад +1

    very helpful. Clearly explained

  • @timgiddens9799
    @timgiddens9799 2 года назад +4

    Thank you so much! This is such a helpful video!

  • @BrianFoster-j2l
    @BrianFoster-j2l 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for your answers to my question my friend

  • @wasistgluckeineformelfurgl7327
    @wasistgluckeineformelfurgl7327 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ich habe insgesamt 6 Laderegler parallel geschaltet. Es funktioniert ohne Probleme.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  7 месяцев назад +1

      Lucky you! (Just kidding) Of course it works 😉

  • @Cliflyri
    @Cliflyri 5 месяцев назад

    Fantastic, thank you for sharing this information.

  • @dje7335
    @dje7335 18 часов назад

    As others have stated,you do a fantastic job of explaining concepts for all
    Thank you! I've been searching for this content for a long time.
    I am still looking for a answer, perhaps you can help?
    I will be using 2 controllers, for two pv arrays. Charging my battery bank.
    Controller outputs will join at a bus bar, then wired to battery. Cable sizing from bus bar to battery is my question??? Simple as combined current rating?
    In advance I thank you for sharing the gift of knowledge!

  • @Mikeb8134
    @Mikeb8134 6 дней назад +1

    thank you! you could also add multiple battery chargers together using this same logic correct? like if you put 20amp battery chargers together and hooked that up to a generator to charge batteries (instead of using the generator to power things, it charges the battery).

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  6 дней назад +1

      You can have multiple battery chargers charge a battery. It would be generator -> 1st battery charger on socket 1 and the 2nd battery charger on socket two of the generator.

    • @Mikeb8134
      @Mikeb8134 5 дней назад

      @@cleversolarpower as long as the battery chargers are in parallel at the battery terminals, I believe that would be the only true concern, right? I was going to run an 8 gauge power cord 30 feet from the 220v 30amp outlet on the generator, then connect all chargers to that wire via power blocks (all equal length). I then have a 6500 watt (continuous rated) generator and I'm planning to run (4) 18amp 58volt chargers (4 x 240v x 6amps = 1,440wats x 4 = 5,760watts need for 4 chargers). Each charger takes 6 amps at 220v, so that is 24amps on the 30 amp outlet from the generator. Should be good to go, each of my 5 batteries have a c rating of 100amps, so bank would have a c rating of 500amps, and I'll be dumping 18amps x 4 = 72amps/5batteries = 14.4amps charge going to each battery connected with equal length cords in parallel. Sounds good sir?

  • @kkp8398
    @kkp8398 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the great video.
    Practical question. I have 2x 20a mppt i want to connect them to a 250ah battery.
    How should I practically do that? Connect both mppt's to the battery-poles? Or first bring them together, and then with one set of wires to the battery?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  8 месяцев назад

      There is a max limit on connections to battery terminals. This is a maximum of 3. If you have more, then bring them to a busbar.

    • @truthseekertree
      @truthseekertree 4 месяца назад

      ​@@cleversolarpowerwhy would there be a limit on the number of wires to a battery terminal? Why would you need a busbar? Is this just so it's cleaner more organized? Why would several writes going to battery cables otherwise be a problem?
      I really would like to know your opinion and further explanation for my learning

    • @stevenjohn350
      @stevenjohn350 Месяц назад

      @@truthseekertree maybe reason is the amount of thread of bolt into the battery and also the current doesnt flow through the layers of too many connections very well. Over time it can be an issue.

  • @anasir4a
    @anasir4a 2 месяца назад +1

    I have a hybrid solar inverter already installed which charges batteries and also running load. Adding a charge controller to the same batteries, is there any chance of running current from the charge controller to the inverter itself and damaging the inverter?

  • @stevewhite9813
    @stevewhite9813 6 месяцев назад

    Well there we go thank you very much 😊 ☺

  • @ekeretteekpo3004
    @ekeretteekpo3004 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the video.
    I would like to remark on MPPT controllers, particularly that they come with preset configurations for different kinds of batteries. I would think that the default for different types of batteries should rightly have taken into consideration their C rates and therefore control the charging suitably. No?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  11 месяцев назад

      The charge controllers are only regulated for their charging parameters, not the capacity (Ah) of the battery they are charging. The highest current charge/discharge is mostly from the inverters, not the solar panels.

  • @dippyfish
    @dippyfish 22 дня назад

    Thank you.

  • @cinnamonoctopus
    @cinnamonoctopus Год назад +2

    Do both charge controllers have to be of the same rate?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +2

      No, they can charge at different currents. Of course they have to be the same voltage. It's the same as a charger from shore and a charge controller combined. The battery will take all the energy it can, even if it comes from multiple sources.

  • @VladimirKharkob
    @VladimirKharkob 3 месяца назад

    Thanks Great Video

  • @petermizon4344
    @petermizon4344 2 года назад

    Very good explanation, I'm wiser now lol

  • @adassociates8235
    @adassociates8235 3 месяца назад

    Hi Nick, should (2) charge controllers be parallel to their separate bus bar then output to main bus bar as our (4) batteries already parallel to main bus bar? Thanks

  • @KellyKennedy-c5v
    @KellyKennedy-c5v 2 месяца назад

    So I've seen several videos that concur with your findings; that you can use multiple charge controllers to charge a bank. Can I also use multiple standard chargers. For instance, I have 3 100 Ah LifFePO4 batteries in parallel. Can I use an LiTime 20 amp charger and a NOCO 10 amp charger simultaneously to charge the bank? To make it more complex, can I use solar charge controllers and battery chargers at the same time, even while taking a load off the batteries? By the title of the video, it looks like the charge controllers don't have to be the same size or the same type (MPPT and PWM) right? Thanks

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  2 месяца назад

      Yes of course. As long as the C-rate of the battery can handle it.

  • @Dylon1981
    @Dylon1981 11 месяцев назад +1

    I read somewhere that modern charge controllers (MPPT/PWM) can automatically detect the type of battery connected and they will automatically provide what voltage and current needed. is it true?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  11 месяцев назад +2

      Not true. They can only detect voltage, not battery type.

  • @mskman83
    @mskman83 5 месяцев назад

    Can both charge controllers be landed on a bus bar? I have a victron 100/30 and want to add another perhaps bigger mppt. Can both controllers be connected to the positive and negative bus bar instead of directly to the battery? If so is fusing required beyond the positive fuse from charge controller.

  • @brandonhayes19
    @brandonhayes19 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the super detailed video, this answered most of the questions I have been searching for weeks to find! The only thing left I am wondering is do I have to match the amperage of my current charge controller? I just upgraded my tv battery from one 65ah lead acid to 2 100ah lifepo4 batteries. I have a 200w panel with a 30a charge controller currently, I am looking to add another charge controller to a suitcase panel that I can move into the sunlight as needed. Does the suitcase panel charge controller also have to be 30a or can I install a 10a or a 20a with no issues? Thank you in advance for any insight!

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  10 месяцев назад +1

      You don't have to increase the current of your charger. It will just take longer to charge the battery. However, you need to get a charger suitable for lithium batteries. As far as the charge controller, it doesn't need to have the same current. Watch my video about sizing a charge controller.

  • @stevemcmahon974
    @stevemcmahon974 2 года назад

    Thanks, very useful information!

  • @NYCamper62
    @NYCamper62 7 месяцев назад

    I have 4x agm batteries, would you say the 1 controller for equalize still applies?

  • @joeybez5464
    @joeybez5464 2 месяца назад

    IF I RERSET ONE CONTROLLER DO I NEED TO RESET THE OTHER ONE?

  • @jasonpocklington9217
    @jasonpocklington9217 3 месяца назад

    I have one 400ah battery and want to add another victron 100/20 charge controller for more solar panels what in your opinion is the best formula to achieve this

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  3 месяца назад

      You can add it, depending if you have other chargers connected and don't go over the current of the BMS inside of the battery.

  • @takkikayo
    @takkikayo 8 месяцев назад

    Can i use two different type of scc on a 200 Ah lifepo4 batteries if so do you have diagram ? And how to calibrate?

  • @papagiannis-y3f
    @papagiannis-y3f 11 месяцев назад

    Hello. I have a photovoltaic system with 4 panels 340w and 4 panels 275w. at 340w I have a pwm regulator and at 275 an mppt regulator. I supply 24v batteries but the regulator mppts the 4 panel 275 no feeder at all. what should i improve in my system thanks you

  • @Info-h3o
    @Info-h3o 5 месяцев назад

    Plz answer one important question for me
    Can we connect in parallel pwm and mppt , to charge one tubular battery.
    Pwm and mppt have different charging voltages, so will it cause any problem or work fine?

  • @roy196805
    @roy196805 5 месяцев назад

    What kind of set up would I need for a 3000 W pure sine inverter and 4 200 Wah AGM BATTERYS

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  5 месяцев назад

      Check my most popular video: how many batteries for a 3,000W inverter.

  • @rongray4118
    @rongray4118 Год назад

    What would you suggest for an Absolyte GX 2,000 Amp hour/48 volt VRLA for charging OFF GRID with generator support? I have to make all the connection plates for this unit as well.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +1

      I'm not sure what your question is. I have a video about generators in the making.

    • @rongray4118
      @rongray4118 Год назад

      @@cleversolarpower in regard to charging such a large VRLA - how many charge controllers would a person be limited to for charging purposes. We are on a mountaintop and roof space is limited but multiple stationary arrays with separate controllers may be able to solve our problem without having to purchase one or more trackers. I thought the price had come down on trackers but the price is still quite high.

  • @kapilsds7
    @kapilsds7 3 месяца назад

    My current system is 12v. Can i add another 12v battery in series and charge batteries with separate charge controller.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  3 месяца назад

      You have to add the battery in parallel. Check my video about parallel batteries.

    • @kapilsds7
      @kapilsds7 3 месяца назад

      @@cleversolarpower My mistake, i need 24v but i have now 12v system.Can i charge individual battery with 12v charge controller and solar panels. But use for load in 24v.

  • @mikemosc3254
    @mikemosc3254 4 месяца назад

    i am still very confused about c rate. in regards to time charged or how to calculate it like you say we should do in the video.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  4 месяца назад

      I made a dedicated video about c rate. You can find it on my channel.

  • @nehemz432
    @nehemz432 6 месяцев назад

    Does it matter if having two MPPT of different size, e.g. 30a + 60a. 30a having panels of 200w*2 (total of 400w) and the 60a having 500w*2 (total of 1000w). The same parallel charging a battery pack on 48v.

  • @baladanladiabraham6734
    @baladanladiabraham6734 Год назад

    Can i connect 4× tubular batteries in parallel,2× inverter in parallel, and 2× same charge controller in parallel in it possible?

  • @moto-rambler
    @moto-rambler Год назад

    Thanks for the video. It would've been more helpful to see where circuit breakers or fuses would go in the wiring diagrams you provided.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +1

      Thanks, I have made a video especially about fusing a solar system. Checkout my channel for more information.

  • @ianmather7109
    @ianmather7109 4 месяца назад

    I am trying to help a friend who has 3 sets of panels, 3 charge controllers and 5 Eaton 140 ah AGM batteries. The batteries are less than 5 years old and do not support his needs for a cottage Can one charge controller be swapped for a Victron one even if the other two are PWM controllers?.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  4 месяца назад

      Yes, no problem. You can have multiple chargers on one battery. Make sure only one has equalization mode enabled.

  • @johnblack9473
    @johnblack9473 Год назад

    Hi I got a 300 watt solar blanket that I use on my 120ah lithium I want to get another solar blanket around 300-400 watt I don’t want to join them preferably just use another regulator for the other solar blanket will I have to use any fuses for this or it will be fine and the wires that go to the battery can I join them?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +1

      You dont need to fuse the solar panels. However, you need to fuse the wires going from the charge controller to the battery. Let's say your charge controller is 20A, then you need to use the following fuse: 20A*1.25=25A or higher. Then use a wire which is suited to carry 25A or more.

  • @tombouie
    @tombouie 7 месяцев назад

    Thks

  • @chadrickwhite146
    @chadrickwhite146 5 месяцев назад

    Question. So my batteries reached 0% then I wake up at 4am and check them they are at 35%(series connected 12v) is that even possible

  • @ilamalihilustan22
    @ilamalihilustan22 10 месяцев назад

    What current MPPT controller is recommended for 24v 200ah LifePo4 battery?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  10 месяцев назад

      Basically any MPPT that has a charging profile for lifepo4 batteries and work with 24V. Some brand names that come to mind are Epever, Victron, Renogy

  • @waynehobbs5175
    @waynehobbs5175 2 года назад

    Excellent thank you

  • @rongray4118
    @rongray4118 Год назад

    Subscribed

  • @chadrickwhite146
    @chadrickwhite146 6 месяцев назад

    Can you connect pwm alongside an mppt

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  6 месяцев назад

      Yes

    • @chadrickwhite146
      @chadrickwhite146 6 месяцев назад

      OK thanks so much Could you also plz explain the charging Amp of a lithium battery plz because per calculation the scc Amp rating says 60a based on the 1500w input and 24v system at 100a but battery says per c-rating charge with 20a even with BMS plz explain

  • @mygadgetzhaiqal7410
    @mygadgetzhaiqal7410 2 года назад

    Can i use different charge controller brand to charge the same battery ?

  • @Rayz3ON
    @Rayz3ON Год назад

    Hello, here's an interesting question.
    what if you have one controller 12v pwm and another 24v connected mppt to 12v system?
    Is it possible/safe?
    What are the issues that can arise?

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +2

      If you have a lithium battery with bms it will disconnect the battery. If you have a lead acid, it will cook it.

  • @sebastianarceo7662
    @sebastianarceo7662 Год назад

    Hi, I just want to ask if it is possible to have 2 charge controller for Hybrid of Hydro and Solar? Charging only 1 battery

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +1

      I don't have experience with hydro, But it should be possible since its also a charging option.

  • @dPFarmville
    @dPFarmville 2 года назад

    Hi, I have a novice question. How do I disable equalization on my lead acid battery? I have a 20a mppt solar charge controller connected to 220W (100W & 120W) panels and 100ah battery. I don’t seem to understand why my battery keeps overcarging reaching 16.1V at full sun.🥺

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  2 года назад +1

      If you cannot disable it in the settings you can adjust the voltage level of the equalization function. Set that to the normal charging voltage for 100% charging.

    • @ekeretteekpo3004
      @ekeretteekpo3004 11 месяцев назад +1

      Kindly check your charger settings. Consult the manual and configure the charging to suit your type of lead acid battery. On mine I can choose between Sealed, Flooded, Lithium and Custom. So far, I have monitored the charging hourly and it seems to comply with the specifications from the manufacturer for my flooded lead acid battery.
      If yours is showing greater than 15, that's overcharging, especially if it stays that way for longer than 20 minutes. I learned that higher voltage charging tends to occur for equalisation purposes and this shouldn't take long (less than an hour).

  • @SaeedSolution
    @SaeedSolution 2 года назад +1

    Nice❤
    I have same problem my solar panel junction box over heat and burn wire
    I have one battery and 2 charging source
    1st is 3 solar panel in parallel
    2nd is ups connect
    I think this is the reason of burning wire of pv modules no breaker installed between pv and charge controler

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  2 года назад +1

      Yes always have a fuse or breaker installed on every wire. The fuse protects the wire from catching fire, that's it's first use.

  • @jhonelpernito9570
    @jhonelpernito9570 Год назад

    nice

  • @heroesandzeros7802
    @heroesandzeros7802 3 дня назад

    Yes, you can stack Charge Controllers, but you will waste a lot of usable power.
    When stacking charge controllers, only 1 Charge Controller will give you the near maximum power and the rest will do almost nothing.
    The Charge Controller that is giving you the highest output is providing the charge voltage to your batteries.
    All the other Charge Controllers see the charge voltage and do not give you an output because they think the maximum battery voltage has been reached.
    Charge Controllers do not know the difference between charge voltage and actual battery voltage.
    The only reason to stack Charge Controllers to get the maximum output is if your solar arrays are set up to follow the sun. (Not Tracking Systems)
    One Charge Controller /Array is for morning sun, another is for afternoon sun, and another is for evening sun to avoid shading.
    You may be better off to use 3 parallel strings of 3- 250W panels with 3 sets of power wires going to 3- 30A Breakers, who's outputs are daisy-chained and go to your 100A/100V Charge Controller.
    9- 250W panels = 2250W which is under the 2400W max input wattage of the Charge Controller and the input voltage is about 35V.

  • @roy196805
    @roy196805 5 месяцев назад

    I have a 30 amp m p p T controller

  • @khg8519
    @khg8519 Месяц назад

    Its not so straight forward with controllers it may seem to be a great idea when the battery bank is full 10 volts is still flat the banks out put cap is directly related to its inductance or reactance you get switching issues huge inrush voltages due to the potential difference the long and short of the circuit the plane wing radiation

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Месяц назад

      I don't understand your text.

    • @khg8519
      @khg8519 Месяц назад

      @@cleversolarpower your swinging the power back and forward if you have two controllers and the loads turn on and off

    • @khg8519
      @khg8519 Месяц назад

      inverter

  • @ntal5859
    @ntal5859 4 месяца назад

    I call bs on 0.2 c for lead acid, cars charge the battery at much higher rates and never a problem.

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  3 месяца назад

      The answer is in your reply. car batteries. they are not similar to AGM or GEL.

  • @jamesdean7756
    @jamesdean7756 6 месяцев назад

    It’s totally impossible to follow along with what you’re saying I even bought your book and found much of it to be just a waste of money a lot of overkill information not necessary for the average user to understand

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks for getting my book James. If you have questions, feel free to email me.

    • @busarob1969
      @busarob1969 5 месяцев назад

      Guru like to do this to just show you how great they are! Useless at best

  • @BrianFoster-j2l
    @BrianFoster-j2l Год назад

    I see where you say a 20A controller can charge a 100A deep cycle lead battery, but I have a 6v deep cycle 225AH battery and my 100A controller won't work with it why? The pannel I am using is 590w /12v

    • @cleversolarpower
      @cleversolarpower  Год назад +1

      You need to have a 12V battery to use with a 12V charge controller. It won't work with a 6V battery.

    • @BrianFoster-j2l
      @BrianFoster-j2l Год назад

      @@cleversolarpower thank you very much for the clarification. would i be right in thinking that if I hook up booth 6v's together the 100A controller should charge both, what would be the best way to properly connect the 2 batteries together? forgive my illiteracy on this matter as it is my first time with solar systems. I bought another 100A controller as I don't think one controller can manage the 450AH when both batteries (225AH) combined as one

    • @markrosinski4814
      @markrosinski4814 Год назад

      Amps your controller can handle shold be bigger than amps from your solar panels. Your solar panels 590w div 12v =~50A. What it means is that your batteries will be charged with 50A maximum minus some losses . Your 100A controller will handle 50A with ease@@BrianFoster-j2l

    • @adex2000ng
      @adex2000ng Год назад

      @@BrianFoster-j2l connect the 2 batteries in series. That will increase the Voltage to 12v which is suitable for your Charge Controller

    • @ihavehotmail2
      @ihavehotmail2 Год назад

      Connect both 6v in series to increase the voltage to 12v. But the amp hours will not increase even tho you have 2 100ah batteries when in series together they will only produce 100ah @12v

  • @VladimirKharkob
    @VladimirKharkob 3 месяца назад

    Thanks Great Video