These Predecessor Hot Takes are NUTS...
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Predecessor has a lot of hot takes about the game, what are yours?
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My hot take:
The Devs are liars and intentionally knowing they can't deliver on their promises. For example:
With the release of the game for 1.0, Robbie promised each character on predcast would get 2 - 4 high tier skins. We haven't seen that.
They promised after making the UI, content would come much quicker. Instead they made it 6 weeks. We haven't seen that.
They said ascension skins would be exclusive and then they sold it in store later.
They did people who bought the EA access bundle dirty. When they did the vote on to decide if console can purchase the skins. They made it so everyone could vote on discord and not make it exclusively for the EA people who actually bought the bundle and give the choice only to them. They knew it would get more yes than no which is why they made everyone vote for it. They're doing it to make more money.
They said and advertised that the affinity system was their mastery system. Then backtracked it upon release and claimed it wasn't their mastery. Not sure about you, but the affinity really looks like mastery because you can see the difference levels from adept, proefficient and then Mastery in the affinity system.
They said they wont do any free currency but then backtracked that real hard once they see it didn't work very well for the game. At least they admitted it to be fair.
The affinity system was such a malicious series of lies. Like you said they backtracked on what the system actually was, but they also said there would be a free option soon but didn't give us an actual timeframe, after community outrage they said they were going to expedite the process so we could access it for free even sooner, then left it until the 1.0 launch... I could be wrong but I swear this was an 8+ month wait...
They said in an update post that we would be able to "swear like sailors" even with the AI chat moderator enabled, yet swearing in non toxic ways got people muted, they claim it was bad behaviour but didn't show any proof. Turns out saying trigger words in completely acceptable ways was this "bad behaviour" which then lead to non toxic words causing mutes. They claimed this is working as intended after this was discovered, completely going against their initial pitch.
Robbie claimed they really do ban people whilst throwing a tantrum in discord and twitch chats, yet I saw someone with a racial slur as their name throw 100s of games over 2 months, averaging 10 games a day with only a few days off here and there, not buying items, playing in their role or shooting minions, on an account that was clearly playing normally for hundreds of games prior, very obviously some intentionally disruptive behaviour that went unpunished for months.
On the steam store page it said early access was to test things, use community feedback, etc. We haven't had any of that, every piece of feedback we give them is given the same responses "let us cook" and "we have no plans for that", they haven't tested a single significant change besides 2 lane buffs, mini orb and adding a 6th item, and that's being super generous...
Side note, their interaction with the community is mind-blowingly terrible, as is the community itself. It feels like every day there is an "omeda appreciation post" and "this toxicity (criticism) isn't fair on this poor company's feelings" post. It's sad, you can hop into a game and instantly be met with toxicity, bugs, desync, or something else that's significantly bad enough to comment on, yet due to it being "fun" we can't comment on it because that's bullying a multi million invested game dev company... They want feedback, are in early access, but giving feedback is bullying and they will respond with some variation of "don't care didn't ask".
Did y'all really just copy paste this from the last video cause I read this shit the other day
@@tristqnejdjeh7278 I copied and pasted because I feel like these are actual hot takes. I straight up think the Devs are liars and they utilise our ignorance to make more profit from us.
@@mykeh3155 I honestly agree with everything.
@@mykeh3155 Yes, I really feel like they are taking the piss. I am sorry, I have played indie games most of my time and they pump out content more than Predecessors team. I wish they had a roadmap, stuck to it and showed the progress. Of course, they can keep some surprises in, just release in a patch with no mention before hand. But even Battlebit has more content then they do and they are 3 players. Now, I understand what Krashy says and I think he is right with lot of what he says. Now he has a gigantic ego, but his criticism is valid. I really feel like omeda doesn't respect it's player base. They say they do but really they don't. I am sorry, if you are doing a 6 week cycle. Keep to it every single time. They announced it is delayed by 1 week? That's taking the piss, just release it on PS5 and PC then update it a week later. Why must you make everyone wait an extra week? The only things they do, is release only heroes half the time and that's really it. I love playing this game because the gameplay and interaction is so good, but I truly feel like they lost their way. I honestly feel like they intentionally lie to us in order to keep us hooked. The fact we had to wait 8 months just for affinity to be free is taking the piss. They have no idea how to get players invest in their game, if they just took rough models and areas from smite. Then refine it and make it better. But I truly feel like they have no idea what the audience wants. Now I understand they are building a business too, but come on. At least they can higher a business administrator that deals with criticism that refines and improves all the issues from the business and target audience when it comes to criticisms.
In paragon v42, the amount of different builds in the game, it was way more fun, noone had blink by default..the map was way more interestingly designed, a lot of verticality and just overall looked way nicer, there is no way predecessor is better than paragon was, paragon didn't die cos it wasn't a good game it died because fortnite got successful and they didnt have the manpower to carry on the game.
16:25 I’m currently in gold 3 and since the start of my ranked journey (right after zinx dropped) the most banned heroes were aurora and zinx. It’s still like that today but now I’m seeing riktor bans more lately
Wait, the patch cycle has officially changed to six weeks, and isn't just a one-off thing?
Fuuuucccckkkk.
Hero/new content patch is every 6weeks. The 3 week is just a minor adjustment patch.
@@WShoup9818 Am I crazy, or was it not every month not too long ago?
@@RD-uf6gw Hasn't been like that for like a year
@@RD-uf6gw at the start it was every 4 weeks before they started introducing their own original characters.
I got a hot take there are ALOT more builds in the game for all roles depending on your character most people just are not creative and only play what the last RUclips video said to build
I don’t think you’re wrong but if you’re playing Ranked i would want my team building the best way to win possible.
@@Katakuri213 that’s why you test the builds against the meta in casual mode first just because the build is popular doesn’t mean it’s the best imo in fact since the meta builds are so stagnant it’s easier to beat them imo
Agreed. Not to bash on Pinzo but he will call out people for having an off meta build even if they are doing great. Half the community will do the same if things go bad as if they HAVE to point a finger at someone.
@@MrTehDBear they hate on what they don’t understand until they either get beat by it enough or some one else popularizes it 🤷🏾♂️it’s just the way it works in mobas for some reason everyone thinks they the have the “ most optimal max damage unkillable 25-0 pentakill secure build “ I just like to have fun ,and get wins and limit test when I can
@@Ty-dv5xf Yeah i was in a video where I got called out for a weird build because I was negative k/d but the build still worked great and even shredded the carry 1v1 but never heard a positive word about that.
I guess I can understand some people disliking the links to Paragon, but the game actually wouldn't exist without Paragon. The developers never would have been successful making their own game without the free resources from Paragon. Beyond that, there would be a fraction of the player base. I only am playing because it because it is basically just Paragon. To me, there is barely a functional difference between Predecessor and Paragon - and I like that. I loved Paragon and hated that it got shut down.
Harvesters gave us another thing to focus on in jungle. There’s not much to do in Predecessor’s jungle.
Nah I hated that shit in Paragon. I will say I do hope they make a new map soonish
Many other ways to fix pred's jungle without using harvesters.
I find it hard to clear all my camps while still helping my lanes and managing the objectives I wouldn't want another thing to focus on in the jungle unless they nerf the health on the camps it feels like a chore
@@BNuttSack its useless have a new map, very hard to balance, and useless in general, after 1 day I would know the map totally, a different map but with a 3v3 instead would be interesting
My hot take:
Character design in this game is fire, i mean yeah it would be better to have more animal/realistic like characters or something, but what we have right now im into it.
And im not talking just about women, im talking about Zarus for example, damm
Here's a hot take for you. The paragon card/deck system was more interesting and customizable than the item system that the game has right now. I'm tired of building megacosm, combustion, O crown every game
Ayyyye we made it to the RUclips Cover baby 😂❤
Nice name
Edit: I didn’t realize that my name isn’t “JustCallMeNick” on RUclips, oop
Fire thumbnail 😂
I remember a twitter post that caught some traction asking Omeda to lock heroes to roles/lanes because they were getting annoyed at all the off-meta picks. Even cited you and JoeYoursTruly as "adding to the problem" with your videos.
I get the sentiment but personally I think it would be a dumb as shit idea, you'd destroy all comp diversity and draft strategy. And what about heroes that can flex multiple roles?
There is a no reason a murdock should be in the offlane as much as it is.
@@hambusher while that's true, if I can shit on Murdock offlaners with my Narbash offlane (which has happened...like it's not even close) then it's not a problem.
My hot take is i think revs magic scaling obliterate build is his best build.
5:20 Paragon grux didn't had 3 CC, in fact, no Paragon character had 3 abilities with CC apart from Riktor (who didn't had the damage it have on Pred)
Paragon Grux could not do the CC chain combo that Predecessor Grux have, so the problem is not a Paragon problem its a Predecessor priblem for having give Grux 3 CC abilities + the obscene damage he have + reducing the cast time of the abilities making them practically instantaneous
Didn’t grux have a dash?
@@dznuts2114 Originally Grux had a long dash in his E and his R stunned (but did not damage), so he just had the pull of the Q and the mini stun of the R, which was way less CC of what he have now, as one of the 2 stuns he had was on the definitive.
Later in Monolith Grux got a mini rework, the E got changed for the short dash + knock up that he has now in Pred, but the mini stun of the R got removed (so the R did no damage nor stunned the enemy, it was just for the bonus attack damage)
In Pred he has a R that does damage, stuns and gives attack speed, a E that does damage and stuns a Q that does damage and stuns + the passive that applied bleed on the enemy. A lot of damage and CC that Paragon's Grux didn't had
That guy who said the tdm style was better is crazy I honestly think there is is to much tdm in this game already.
honestly make map bigger and add camps that mimic the river buff abilities would be nice
Hot take: the development team for predecessor is infinitely worse than the development team for paragon was.
They have had years to learn from the issues paragon had and haven't actually changed much at all but the map and some abilities, the game is in an awful state as is the player count which reflects that.
At first when I started playing the game, I thought they were much better than Epic. Now that it's been almost 2 years, I was definitely wrong. They did not cook.
It's worse when you think Robbie use to criticize Epic, and now that he's at the helm of a studio, he's making the same mistakes, not taking criticism well at all and actively sabotaging his own reputation by constantly lying to the community.
My favourite videos back in the day were "top 5 plays", that with your voice over would be great
Game needs more than one map or change the map entirely
I think Paragon would of stayed of around to date even if Epic didn't abandon it for Fortnite. As much as people where hot and cold for the cards. There were a lot of different builds. I think FF should be removed and make people play though the games if they quit and are gone for longer than 5 mins that should a day ban.
Remove health potions.
My hot take: predecessors greatest strength is that is an ok game while Smite 1 is in the dumpster. If Smite was good right now and they didnt torpedo their own game with season 11 and smote 2, pred wouldnt be even half as successful.
Smite suck, its just a worste version of pred, it would like to be a 3d game, but in reality the physics of the game are the same as an isometric game (League of legends), smite is the worst moba ever created tbh, it has nothing original
@@jaghal95 my dude. Please slow down and use complete sentences. Your post is fucking gibberish.
Harvesters actually were the best intro to jungle in Paragon, allowed you to learn the map/abilities & game without feeling like your only job was TDM, you could actively contribute to the overall game in a significant way…. Plus’s trolling enemy jungle by placing a harvester in their jungle was hilarious!
TAKE: Ranked is Just New Normal Que, Internal MMR not being synced to External Rank Validation makes the matchmaking feel worse than it really is, Ranked killed playing with more than 1 friend, Ban systems in ranked make games more dynamic because more broken champs get played.
I like Pred more I come from paragon n it was straight cheeeks I don’t get how people enjoyed the card system
Idk if it’s a hot take but the game is fairly balanced, but they should rework some older characters from paragon maybe brand new kits or somthing also side note you should be able to play ranked in teams of 2,3 and 5
Hot take: surrenders should be 3/5 at any point in the game. I can tell if we are gonna win/lose within the first 10 minutes 9 out of 10 times, match making sucks and only about 5% of games deserve to be played through to the end.
I've watched other players very closely and noticed character strength complaints. Bad players don't know how to deal with Aurora's Ult and Hoarfrost. In lower Elos they cant deal with her because either they dont understand the character or they're just bad.
paragon had a higher ceiling of potential even though it’s now dead, compared to predecessor imo. predecessor doesn’t even have a deck builder… not just basing it on that, but i expected more after their full release, while paragon didn’t even get out of beta
Not sure how hot this take is but I would play the hell out of a 3v3 or 2v2 one lane joust game mode. Less people to carry and faster matchmaking assuming others wanna play it
We shouldn’t get punished as bad for leaving the draft maybe we have a troll team or if we got a roll we don’t like, shouldnt have to sit for 15 mins when we left before the game started 🤷♂️
I don't really understand it but I see Aurora and Rampage get banned a lot in ranked. Meanwhile I'm over here trying to ban Fey as she is the best character in the game. Not sure if this is a hot take but it is true
I like the interacting with the community videos but Id like a daily pred match along with it.
I know that might be difficult for you tho so feel free to ignore this comment
You don't have to defend liking your own reddit posts, only weirdos post and unlike their own comment, it's automatic.
I dont know why but almost every game aurora gets banned and the one game someone plays her on my team they bottom frag and die twelve time so clearly she’s not that overpowered.
Wish i had seen the post. My hot take is that shinbi should get a slow on line tempo and silence on all kill. Every other nuke/ assassin has CC
id like to know more details as to what or why predecessor is held back bc of paragon players expectations etc :)
grux literally had a movement dash ability, it’s on the developers for not choosing that
I got a spicy one. Mastery Skins should have stayed on the paid track and there should be no XP boost on the paid track either. Too many people that have master skins are trash.
I’m this early?!
your comment on cards and decks. not a hot take , just 100% truth.
Here’s a late one, kallari needs the old ult back.
pinzo how do i beat grux offlane please help me
Add Voice Coms, but allow players to mute from overview screen and lobby.
Allow 5 Stacks for Tournament weekends but only allow 2 stacks, 3 stacks, and 5 stacks to enter. This can only happen if we have voice coms.
Add in more cosmetics and make them earnable through ranked game play. The higher you go the more rewards you get.
Make Ranked into a season based event. 2-3 seasons a year and after each season you collect the rewards from the ranking you earned. this can be a temporary Icon, Banner, or Boarder that you can apply that ended after the following season.
HIRE SOMEONE WHO ISNT AFRAID TO PUT OUT CONTENT. We dont need AAA skins every major patch, what we need is more collectable and earn able content to feel like we have something to play for other than MMR
Id like multiple maps that can be played having the same map get old sometimes wish the price point was Alittle lower on the skins
Agree with alout of things
I feel paragon died when they changed to much thing that wasn't for the better there's talk about going to the card system witch sucked I felt
Hot take
Hunt should work identically for ranged and melee heros, so we can have ranged junglers.
I wasn't even aware it was different wtf. Ranged junglers should definitely be a thing tho I love off role picks
Loved the vid. Definitely think most of these were not hot takes. As for Aurora, it seems like at low ranks people do not know how to deal with her. She has been banned in approximately 90% of my ranked games by at least 1 team. I just got Gold yesterday.
Hot take paragon card system destroys this
Hot take.. Argus' character design is based off of The Bearded Wolverine's likeness. (Especially the yellow and black skin)
Game mode where everyone moves 50% faster to see if the pace change is better. Grey buff pace is just the way
I argued with I am inevitable and I was hoping pinzo would read it to see how dumb the argument was 😭
>asking R*ddit for an opinion on absolutely anything
Hot take: This format is just - “Bad Opinion = Hot take; Good Opinion = Cold take”
Congratulations on understanding the thing everyone else understands. Did it take you long?
@@TheGreatDanish Uh oh somebody's feelings are hurt
Orb prome dunking in arena
some of these takes are colder than aurora come on guys its not that hard
My honest take is that I believe the toxicity improves the experience of the game, especially if it creates tension and makes your win more memorable
I also think the history of this game being a successor to paragon is very beneficial to its backstory and without old paragon these devs wouldn't have such a strong foundation for what they've been able to create so far.
Toxicity is far more likely to only be a part of the losing team, especially when there's no "all" in-game chat.
Hot Take:
2:30 I think that Predecessor, as a game that is alive thanks of the the remains of Paragon and uses the nostalgia and Paragon fans to be alive, what have to do is first please those people that they are using for their benefit and then they can do whatever they want
You can't use the nostalgia and milk Paragon fans, to then ignore all what that people want and the reason your game is alive and do whatever shit you want, if you are going to build yiur game from the ashes of another one and play with the nostalgia of the people, first give that people the the things they are here for, and when that is done and fulfilled you can start doing whatever thing you want
If they want the game to succeed shouldn't they steer away from paragon approach because it didn't work
Nah, Most of the Things they applied to the Game by themselves is worse to what Epic did. The new Heroes just feel worse gameplay wise. The Item system is so boring, Most roles build the Same stuff with some exceptions. The Paragon Item system at the end was unbalanced, but it was so much more fun, because the items impacted the way you played and now it Just feel Like either an Item gives good Stats with the Bonus or it doesnt. The only thing they did better is giving us multiple modes ( including ranked), while the only thing to do in Paragon always been Standard Mode.
Bring back portals
STOP acting like the game is dying f--- all ppl have 1000+ hours in game and continuing:
1-skins high pries YES, but the just started they going to have low mid pries.
2-Heros ar ez too play YES, this is Paragon remak Go cry to epic they having there heros SO Wait For them to make heros.
3-The map need change YES, they just started like you dminding ever think form small studio to give everything in record time!!
Matchmaking IS THE ONLY PROBLEM IN GAME Right Now
Outside The Game Marketing is Bad
Hey pinzo could you do a mix build of magical and physical build of crunch
I remember you talking about him saying he would be the only hero you would build both with magic and physical item I kinda just wanna see your take on it
@@daggerofstyxx1387 there arent enough items that fulfill this. One item that gives ability and magic damage has crit on it as well which doesn’t really work with crunch. It's more for someone like wraith. I used to build crunch as a bruiser mage back in the paragon days and it worked so well. It can sort of be done but there are better physical builds than mage builds for him.
I got a the hottest takes in NAEast
Mine would be: the old paragon was way more balanced and fun compared to predecessor >:)
Old Paragon was anything but balanced, the Item system was so goddamn unbalanced. However, it still was way more fun.
Good vid
My hot take: 1/3 of the cast are white human women. Couldn't they make them aliens or another ethnicity or something?
Sure they are pre-existimg Paragon characters, but Kira and Skylar, 50% of Omeda orginals, continue the trend. Seriously why isn't Skylar one of the aliens she gets that tech from? It would be way more interesting.
On top of that most of the female cast have copy pasted faces. OG paragon Sparrow, Muriel, and Shinbi had way more personality. This just adds to the samey design problem.
Not the biggest issue but it's still noticeable. A game in this insane setting should have a bit more interesting designs. All the non-humanoid designs are great but are also strictly limited to male characters for some reason.
THIS
You realize 1/3 would be a minority. Should we not have any? Would that make you feel better?
phase midlane day 3
As someone who played paragon a decent amount when it was out, I don't want to play pred because it looks just like paragon lmao
See, that is the only reason I am playing it. Paragon (and now Predecessor) are the only MOBAs I've ever liked.
Hot take: The map is actually good, people are just upset because it's not what they're used to i.e League of Legends. If they actually changed it to be more like what people are asking for, they would in turn hate on the company for just copying and not having anything original about the game.
the skins aren’t overpriced. it’s all relative. if the norm for videogames is $20 skins, then a game coming out with $20 skins is not overpricing, that’s just the market. i’m not saying that the skins are worth $20, but it’s clearly an industry-wide problem that needs real change to fix, possibly even legislation. it’s a bubble and we need to see that instead of asking individual studios and/or publishers to shoot themselves in the foot in front of their financial competitors.
Can we stop defending corporate greed by using their language. They are overpriced, I don't care if it's an industry standard, the product is not worth as much as they charge, the very definition of overpriced.
We wouldn't be asking them to shoot themselves in the foot, we would be telling them if they treat us with respect instead of like livestock maybe we will stick around a lot longer as loyal customers, almost guaranteeing them long term success.
Here's one. Mana blows and is boring in all games. Just give me cool down and let me cast all day long.
Hot take - The game should be all controller, no mouse and keyboard.
Here is a hot take - Separate console and pc player . Not because of skill issue but because patches are being held back by the certification process for patches on console. With dead lock out and it gets updates 2-3x a day . Predecessor NEEDS to be able to patch faster and console is holding it back.
Hard disagree. The game isn't big enough to have a fragmented playerbase.
They didn’t even do all that much when pred was just on pc. They basically just spent the first year getting the game console ready.
Bro I swear I had like 6 patches in one day once. (for deadlock ofc)